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So if you think about it, go beyond is evolved golden rotation, being to not only peirce through dimensions but through the flow of the universe(flow,calamity etc), a truly unstoppable attack that cannot be stopped
@@strongest_eggg not even in theory... It literally goes and breaks the flow of destiny and existence, its existence is a paradox in the idea alone... And technically speaking... Also not exactly an attack
@@josephrogers3666 It is not above time because it took time to hit Wonder of U, and Josuke had to point blank shoot it at something that cannot fight back directly.
Go beyond is faster than any stand or ability, and can't be reacted, countered, or stopped. It is immovable object and unstoppable force simultaneously. As soon as gappy thinks and sees a target, it's like an insta kill essentially. Target is perceived and faster than the universe can measure they are hit and can be hit multiple times with constant succession. Plus retaining the original Soft and Wet base abilities.
basically, Go beyond is just a smaller version of cream if you really think about it. I mean they both don't exist in there universes, but both can scrape away anything in a perfect ball.
@@artophile7777 im joking, what happened was the properties of Josuke's Go Beyond bubble meant it could use the path Paisley Park made between Josuke and Yasuho's phones, which let Josuke hit someone at the Higashikata estate from the hospital by asking Yasuho to aim her phone at the stand user
@@alpharius2omegaboogaloo384 crazy diamond: sine on you (although this is just an early idea for an evolution for crazy diamond in jojo: 4th another day, Its still very powerful). Couldn't it restore space time to where the bubble was never created of existed?
Go Beyond bubble is not boundless imo, it's even beyond entire tiering system, cuz something without logic breaks mathematical scale which is above infinite layers of boundless, you could clasiffy it as irrelevant since it outscales mathematical scale. Source:ruclips.net/video/SyyOJ3qbw30/видео.html Josuke himself though...well he's regular maybe athlete human level at max (without stand) so it's really hard to scale Gappy as whole.
4:40 Josuke didn’t succeed with the drop kick just because he wanted to, the stand decided to try and block the attack, most likely to counter, but as the stand had to physically block that attack, it means it has to manifest some physicality. If you swing a bat at a stand user, the stand will most likely try to defend, but if you physically hit harder than the stand could stop, than it would just take damage like any person would, albeit with high amounts of durability
What would happen if an infinite rotation nail from ta4 were to collide with a soft and wet go beyond bubble also what would happen if ger fought against wonder of u and last question would soft and wet go beyond be able to defeat ger
ta4 would get obliterated by a S&W GB bubble, GER vs WoU will happen very soon on my channel, S&W GB vs GER will happen soon on METAs channel, so you’ll get an answer
10:25 That panel says that the spin transends logic, and by extension so does Go Beyond, so therefore I would assume that Tusk ACT 4 is at the very least on the same level, if not more powerful than Go Beyond. Others have pointed out that ACT 2s bullet holes is very similar to Go Beyonds bullets since they don't exist and are just voids, so Tusk ACT 2 might be on the same level as Go Beyond. Love Train should therefore be able to nullify the damage of Go Beyond since it works differently from Wonder of U. Think of it like this, For Wonder of U the attempt is what matters, you try to shoot at Wonder of U, or run towards him withthe intent to stab him with a knife, You'll get killed or damaged enough to stop before you get a chance to suceed, while for Love Train all that matters is the effect, you want to shoot Valentine, go ahead, the bullet causes misfortune, Love Train sends that away. So when Gappy shoots his bubble, Wonder of U doesn't notice any attempt to pursue him, so when it hits, he can't do anything to deflect the damage because the effect has already gotten to him, Love train would notice the effect of a giant hole in Valentine and send the misfortune to somewhere else, while the bubble technically doesn't exist, the effect of it still does, same way as the bullet holes of Tusk ACT 2 don't exist but their effect does. Now Tusk ACT 4 has acces to infinite energy, which ituses to not just pierce the walls of Love Train, but straight up destroy them, so it can't redirect any damage, so it destroys the walls, and then goes after Valentine. Now I'm not sure about what would happen with Johnny if he tried to shoot the head doctor with specifically ACT 4, but I would imagine that it would maybe hit the head doctor, but Johnny would still be affected by the calamity, but honestly I'm not sure and it is all speculation, although I think ACT 2 could beat Wonder of U. Another thing to add is that ACT 4 is way more of a certain doom if you're actually hit, as when the rotation has fully spread out through your body there is no way to get rid of it, when Tooru was fataly wounded by Go Beyond it is implied that he could still heal himself through an equivelent exchange, and if someone like giorno with Gold Expierience was was hit, he could likely just make a replacement for the part of his body that got erased, while if they were hit with ACT 4, unless they knew to immedietly self mutilate, they would not be able to survive unless Johnny shot them with an opposite spin. Now one of the flaws of my argument would be Ball Breaker, since it doesn't destroy the walls and the damage seems to be more finite than ACT 4. Of the top of my head the best argument I have would be that the Love Train doesn't recognice old age as a direct missfortune, but just a state of being, so therefore it doesn't redirect it, but it would likely redirect any negative effects from it like a sore back, evidence for this is that Love train doesn't seem to de-age Valentine when he is inside the walls, even though he is in his 40s which is generally not considered the prime human age. Now that isn't to say that stands like the Grateful dead and Seth would be effective towards Love Train, since you still need the spin to get past the initial wall. This argument isn't perfect and if you can come up with a better one please share your thoughts. In the end I just want to say that all these abilities are very hax based and hard to put on a scale, so my main reason for thinking Tusk ACT 4 is the most powerful is just that I like it more, and therefore in my headcanon I place it at the top, although I still like to debate the subject for the fun of it.
@@plasmazing3612 it says the bubbles only exist in the world as "spin." then says the "spin" transcends all logic, directly referencing the quoted "spin" in the previous paragraph. If all spin transcended logic then tusk act 4 would have one shot diego and ball breaker would have one shot valentine. seeing as it gives you outerversal AP
@@seancopeland1037 Tooru wasn't necessarily one shotted by Go Beyond, and it was implied that he could heal himself with the new locacaca, Ball Breaker still damaged Valentine as well, but Valentine later swapped bodies and healed, the only reason that Diego wasn't killed was that he cut of his leg, if it managed to spread through his body, he would have no hope of saving himself, so the only Spin stand that one shots is Tusk Act 4, as long he doesn't hit any expendable bodyparts and the enemy immedietly self mutilates. You're acting like Soft And Wet Go Beyond hitting Tooru was a guaranteed victory even though everyone panics when he eats the locacaca. Go Beyond does not have infinite damage, if it hit the tip of your finger and you managed to stop the bleeding you would be mostly fine, if Tusk hit the tip of your finger, it would likely spread the infinite rotation through you hand, and you would have to cut it of to save youself, which is rarely peoples first instinct.
Ability : Illogical Effect : Ignores all other abilities, type effectiveness, stat modifiers, Invincible state from Dig, Fly, Dive etc., Protect, Detect, Confusion and Paralysis on user, even switching out will not save the enemy from taking damage as its attacks will go inside the Pokeball to attack the enemy.
Am so here's where the debate starts how could we prove if return to zero is logical or not cuz logically even the user ( giorno giovanna) dosen't know the ability of his stand and it's not a logical ability so can josuke attack go through that or it can't cuz jojo is entering the multiversel power with this logic i hope someone explain that to me cuz it's so interesting
My opinion is return to zero is logical for stand ability. For GER its like WOU, they can activate their ability without even the user knowing. Go Beyond can bypass the ability of GER and GER can only returns the logical attack.
@@JobberGodot I just did and it is literal night and day. It's amazing how far youve come with your channel in such a short amount of time. I shared this video and the allmight vs one can't wait to see what else you have in store for us
I personally think that GER would win in a fight between Giorno and Gappy because even though GER can't reset the bubble to zero since it doesn't exist, Giorno would win since Gappy can't even aim the bubble properly as he had to use Paisley Park to direct the bubble at Tooru, so even if it was able to hit Giorno it would definitely not hit any of his vital spots which means that Giorno could heal his injuries since we see that Go Beyond isn't a one shot kill as one hit from it didn't stop Tooru from approaching Yasuho and two hits were needed to just incapacitate him. And this is Tooru we're talking about, who is a cocky and arrogant stand user who was very weak himself because of his overdependence on his stand but Giorno isn't like that, he's taken tons of damage in Part 5 like losing multiple arms, nearly being chopped in half by Babyface etc so I think that he would be able to tank any damage that Go Beyond will inflict on him and defeat Gappy. Edit(6/3/22): It's been 4 days, why won't you defend the point you made in your video and provide a counterargument to the the assertion that I made about how GER would win? Does that mean you agree with me?? Plz respond
just read this comment, today. I only said S&W GB is more powerful than GER, also I have a discord link in the description if you want to discuss this formally
@@anonymous3012 well you didnt explain how GER win the fight only how giorno can slightly counter the bubbles, i mean GER cant even touch S&W go beyond if his entire body cover up with bubbles
Bruh the buble itself is illogical you cant make something illogical if ur loggical so gappy himself is illogical since being bound by logic meand you are bound by causality
@@dreamcorewarlock actually I believe GER CAN counter anything and I believe it could solo most of fiction. Thing is that soft and wet go beyond is the ultimate counter since anything can be undone by GER, nothing can technically bypass it
@@dreamcorewarlock the thing about(and like) about op jojo abilities is that there are simple and yet extremely strong. They are also more creative than just a normal op character who are op just because they exists
@@dreamcorewarlock thing is I wish araki could expand the limits of the abilities because I wonder if gappy would be able to bypass Joker from persona and touma from index's defense.
No since TW:OH (or Dio) needs to just know of the bubble's existence and he can punch a random wall then re-write reality to erase the bubble or better just re-write gappy's existence so his bubble also gets erased since stand effects go away with the user's death (like Grateful death, Tusk act 4) Because Johnny killed himself and the effects also went away, otherwise his body would keep on spinning when he shot himself. I hope my explanation is logical, if you see any mistake, you will quickly tell me! :)
@@shumailailyas6009 how would dio delete something that doesn't exist something that bypass logic itself? and im not even talking about gappy beating dio over heaven here.
@@iamgreatalwaysgreat8209and logical arguments mean nothing it transcends logic and the flow of calamity the highly truth in all of jojo apart from maybe Ying yang duality since that what caused it
@@josephrogers3666 The battle can go two ways 1) DIO is arrongant: Gappy Blast Go beyond, Dio is arrongant , he say tsk, as bubble are "nothing" so he cant see or Percieve it, the bubble hit him, and vanish his body, He immediately heals his body due to reality manipulation and destroy Gappy, but if bubble hit his hand or head, he is gone forever as Go beyond can erase concept, so physical body is neg diff to erase. 2)DIO is cautious : When Gappy use Go beyond, He immediately Stops time for infinitely, but As bubble dont follow logic, so it will still move and its " nothing " so still cant Percieve it. The result is same as above, hit and heal and Destroy Gappy or hit vital and erase forever.
@@JobberGodot here are my 3 main ideas for videos How strong is D4C Love train Ultimate Kars vs 6 path sage Madara And this is a wired one but would be fun to see What If Giorno was the main villain of stone ocean instead of Pucci?
@@JobberGodot could soft and wet be the ultimate attack against joker, touma and anos? If so then this truly is probably the most op abiltity in fiction (except for narrative controlling abilities)
So listen. S@wgb has outer powets at max and can break through any defense but like lets say i put goku Bloodlusted vs josuke whod win? Ik goku is like mftl++ while josuke idk caz yall didnt fully confirm the speed
Jouske would Woop a in character Goku though, since Goku wouldn't be able to Sense the bubbles , also the bubbles are outer so he wouldn't be able to just tank it
@@jouskehigaskita8835 then toru would have died the second he got hit by the non existent bubble, he had to get hit by the bubble a few times for him to be immobilized, and toru is super weak too.
Go Beyond is not outerversal imo, it's even beyond entire tiering system, cuz something without logic breaks mathematical scale which is above infinite layers of boundless, you could clasiffy it as irrelevant since it outscales mathematical scale. Source:ruclips.net/video/SyyOJ3qbw30/видео.html Josuke himself though...well he's regular maybe athlete human level at max (without stand) so it's really hard to scale Gappy as whole.
@@sahil__________04 okay did some more research(i didnt finish bleach yet so firgive me if this is wrong) THREE things might happen: 1. Yhwach can simply choose a timeline where he dodges soft and wet and it can't hit him 2. Yhwach can't see soft and wet since it does not exist and is not able to dodge it 3. Yhwach CAN see soft and wet but is unable to rewrite it's direction and the attack remains unchanged. Either he dodges it or get hit. (Honestly the most probable occurence) Idk how fast soft and wet go beyond is or how fast yhwach is so it just depends who could hit who.(because soft and wet can penetrate any defense no matter how strong it is and gappy is literally just a normal human being unlike ywach)
@@UnisRapper so i think soft and wet have more chances to win, since yhwach can't see his stand bcoz ghost,aliens,humans and any super human can't see stands
@@UnisRapperpersonally me I think yhwach is galaxy+/ multi galaxy saw(go beyond) takes this easily bc he defeated a multi+ being which is WOU and overall has better cosmology than bleach so he wins neg diff, THIS IS MY OPINION THO
@@BasedGalaxy GER isn’t above calamity/fate. It manipulates fate, but it isn’t above it, meaning that it’s still bound by the logic of fate. Go Beyond isn’t bound by the logic of any concept
That would be cool but Jonathan is way stronger the Creator said that Jonathan was the strongest Joestar plus if I remember in eyes of heaven Jonathan was stated to be as strong as star Platinum and that game story is made by Araki
@@User_Here414 I wonder How strong he would be Compared to Jotaro, I feel Like Johnny Joestar might be weakest, although he is stillvstrong enough to ride a horse
@@Magenta.000 I feel like Gappy will be comparable to Jotaro but Johnny Joestar is definitely the weakest accordingly to Araki Jotaro is the second or third strongest Joestar if I remember correctly
...I think I'm done with Power Scaling. Taking something so simple and overexpanding it to areas it shouldnt is just...stupid. It forgets the very idea of the narrative for power. And it makes me cringe.
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My favorite part of the power scaling community is that they’ve basically invented there own unit instead of using joules
"I think that's about 60Gs"
"Oh 60x earths gravity wow."
"Oh no, 60 Goku's."
"O h."
I think Power is in watts and energy is in joules
I still have no idea of what is ts, cs and all that stuff
The jjba thing to do
@@RaaghavKulshreshthait is
Gappy has hands tbh. Half the aphex twins fight was just throwing hands. Can't wait to see it animated
Lol agreed, Gappy was deadass running their fade 😭
Yeah i will definitely watch jojolands anime with my grandchildren
Chad alert
So if you think about it, go beyond is evolved golden rotation, being to not only peirce through dimensions but through the flow of the universe(flow,calamity etc), a truly unstoppable attack that cannot be stopped
Being able to not only*
By theory, Go Beyond should be able to break through attacks like Gojo's infinite void or maybe even Giorno's return to zero
The TRUE unstoppable force
So ur telling me... That this unstoppable force can't be stopped?😱😱
@@strongest_eggg not even in theory... It literally goes and breaks the flow of destiny and existence, its existence is a paradox in the idea alone... And technically speaking... Also not exactly an attack
Go beyond is literally the concept killer, if anything exists it can be hit by Go Beyond
too bad it doesn't have the speed to back it up
@BladeXslash that isn't scaling speed...
@@mult1versalit’s beyond all phenomenon in jojo verse wich should include time
@@josephrogers3666 It is not above time because it took time to hit Wonder of U, and Josuke had to point blank shoot it at something that cannot fight back directly.
@@mult1versal are u sure the one called "go beyond" by gappy was, the from the birth mark
But can it deflect the emerald splash?
Or counter the thunder cross split attack?
Absolutely not no one can deflect the emerald splash
Only dio can do that
DIO who is not one but two people:
suprisingly dio did both of those things
@@rockperson two people and two stands
Go beyond is faster than any stand or ability, and can't be reacted, countered, or stopped. It is immovable object and unstoppable force simultaneously. As soon as gappy thinks and sees a target, it's like an insta kill essentially. Target is perceived and faster than the universe can measure they are hit and can be hit multiple times with constant succession. Plus retaining the original Soft and Wet base abilities.
basically, Go beyond is just a smaller version of cream if you really think about it. I mean they both don't exist in there universes, but both can scrape away anything in a perfect ball.
Only difference is one can reliably be aimed
@@victiniviews3204 yeah.
If cream has the exact same properties does this mean with a sufficiently large screen paisley park can transport him through 5g internet
@@zaqareemalcolm tf
@@artophile7777 im joking, what happened was the properties of Josuke's Go Beyond bubble meant it could use the path Paisley Park made between Josuke and Yasuho's phones, which let Josuke hit someone at the Higashikata estate from the hospital by asking Yasuho to aim her phone at the stand user
Would Soft and Wet Go Beyond be illogical enough to hit King Crimson through his ability
Yes
Name a defensive JoJo ability. He can bypass it.
Yes, considering it transcends logic, he could hit GER too
Giorno vs Gappy would probably be one of the most brutal battles in Jojo.
@@alpharius2omegaboogaloo384 crazy diamond: sine on you (although this is just an early idea for an evolution for crazy diamond in jojo: 4th another day, Its still very powerful). Couldn't it restore space time to where the bubble was never created of existed?
diavolo when he skips time expecting the invisible bubble not to hit him, but it does :
Does this mean that soft and wet go beyond’s attack power is boundless?
lol I wish, but unfortunately no
Go Beyond bubble is not boundless imo, it's even beyond entire tiering system, cuz something without logic breaks mathematical scale which is above infinite layers of boundless, you could clasiffy it as irrelevant since it outscales mathematical scale.
Source:ruclips.net/video/SyyOJ3qbw30/видео.html
Josuke himself though...well he's regular maybe athlete human level at max (without stand) so it's really hard to scale Gappy as whole.
Jojo power-scaling isn't about power, it's just about who's ability counters who.
Isn't Go Beyond just an up to 11 version of Ceasar's Bubble Cutter?
no, bubble cutter is an up to 11 version of go beyond.
4:40
Josuke didn’t succeed with the drop kick just because he wanted to, the stand decided to try and block the attack, most likely to counter, but as the stand had to physically block that attack, it means it has to manifest some physicality.
If you swing a bat at a stand user, the stand will most likely try to defend, but if you physically hit harder than the stand could stop, than it would just take damage like any person would, albeit with high amounts of durability
or josuke used his stands leg to actually connect with the stand, but we can't see that because of the angle
from what I can tell it’s basically a mini vanilla ice void ball
Za hando requiem
What would happen if an infinite rotation nail from ta4 were to collide with a soft and wet go beyond bubble also what would happen if ger fought against wonder of u and last question would soft and wet go beyond be able to defeat ger
ta4 would get obliterated by a S&W GB bubble, GER vs WoU will happen very soon on my channel, S&W GB vs GER will happen soon on METAs channel, so you’ll get an answer
@@JobberGodot thx
@@dayrocket7372 even if it didn’t erase it infinity cancels infinity
10:25
That panel says that the spin transends logic, and by extension so does Go Beyond, so therefore I would assume that Tusk ACT 4 is at the very least on the same level, if not more powerful than Go Beyond.
Others have pointed out that ACT 2s bullet holes is very similar to Go Beyonds bullets since they don't exist and are just voids, so Tusk ACT 2 might be on the same level as Go Beyond.
Love Train should therefore be able to nullify the damage of Go Beyond since it works differently from Wonder of U. Think of it like this, For Wonder of U the attempt is what matters, you try to shoot at Wonder of U, or run towards him withthe intent to stab him with a knife, You'll get killed or damaged enough to stop before you get a chance to suceed, while for Love Train all that matters is the effect, you want to shoot Valentine, go ahead, the bullet causes misfortune, Love Train sends that away. So when Gappy shoots his bubble, Wonder of U doesn't notice any attempt to pursue him, so when it hits, he can't do anything to deflect the damage because the effect has already gotten to him, Love train would notice the effect of a giant hole in Valentine and send the misfortune to somewhere else, while the bubble technically doesn't exist, the effect of it still does, same way as the bullet holes of Tusk ACT 2 don't exist but their effect does.
Now Tusk ACT 4 has acces to infinite energy, which ituses to not just pierce the walls of Love Train, but straight up destroy them, so it can't redirect any damage, so it destroys the walls, and then goes after Valentine.
Now I'm not sure about what would happen with Johnny if he tried to shoot the head doctor with specifically ACT 4, but I would imagine that it would maybe hit the head doctor, but Johnny would still be affected by the calamity, but honestly I'm not sure and it is all speculation, although I think ACT 2 could beat Wonder of U.
Another thing to add is that ACT 4 is way more of a certain doom if you're actually hit, as when the rotation has fully spread out through your body there is no way to get rid of it, when Tooru was fataly wounded by Go Beyond it is implied that he could still heal himself through an equivelent exchange, and if someone like giorno with Gold Expierience was was hit, he could likely just make a replacement for the part of his body that got erased, while if they were hit with ACT 4, unless they knew to immedietly self mutilate, they would not be able to survive unless Johnny shot them with an opposite spin.
Now one of the flaws of my argument would be Ball Breaker, since it doesn't destroy the walls and the damage seems to be more finite than ACT 4. Of the top of my head the best argument I have would be that the Love Train doesn't recognice old age as a direct missfortune, but just a state of being, so therefore it doesn't redirect it, but it would likely redirect any negative effects from it like a sore back, evidence for this is that Love train doesn't seem to de-age Valentine when he is inside the walls, even though he is in his 40s which is generally not considered the prime human age. Now that isn't to say that stands like the Grateful dead and Seth would be effective towards Love Train, since you still need the spin to get past the initial wall. This argument isn't perfect and if you can come up with a better one please share your thoughts.
In the end I just want to say that all these abilities are very hax based and hard to put on a scale, so my main reason for thinking Tusk ACT 4 is the most powerful is just that I like it more, and therefore in my headcanon I place it at the top, although I still like to debate the subject for the fun of it.
THANK GOD FINALLY SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS HOW IT WORKS I WAS TRYING TO TELL THAT TO MANY PEOPLE
I read that as saying that Josukes spoon transcends logic, not spin itself
@@seancopeland1037 Well, it says the spin, it doesn't clarify that it is just Josukes spin.
@@plasmazing3612 it says the bubbles only exist in the world as "spin."
then says the "spin" transcends all logic, directly referencing the quoted "spin" in the previous paragraph. If all spin transcended logic then tusk act 4 would have one shot diego and ball breaker would have one shot valentine. seeing as it gives you outerversal AP
@@seancopeland1037 Tooru wasn't necessarily one shotted by Go Beyond, and it was implied that he could heal himself with the new locacaca, Ball Breaker still damaged Valentine as well, but Valentine later swapped bodies and healed, the only reason that Diego wasn't killed was that he cut of his leg, if it managed to spread through his body, he would have no hope of saving himself, so the only Spin stand that one shots is Tusk Act 4, as long he doesn't hit any expendable bodyparts and the enemy immedietly self mutilates. You're acting like Soft And Wet Go Beyond hitting Tooru was a guaranteed victory even though everyone panics when he eats the locacaca. Go Beyond does not have infinite damage, if it hit the tip of your finger and you managed to stop the bleeding you would be mostly fine, if Tusk hit the tip of your finger, it would likely spread the infinite rotation through you hand, and you would have to cut it of to save youself, which is rarely peoples first instinct.
Basically, S&WGB is the third pokemon evolution of Cream and The Hand.
Ability : Illogical
Effect : Ignores all other abilities, type effectiveness, stat modifiers, Invincible state from Dig, Fly, Dive etc., Protect, Detect, Confusion and Paralysis on user, even switching out will not save the enemy from taking damage as its attacks will go inside the Pokeball to attack the enemy.
YOOOOOOO 🔥
I wonder of the bubbles can remove things like an immortal person's immortality.
Hol horse still solos
of course 🔫
Come back when ur oingo boingo🥱🥱🥱
Naturally.
Yup
Ger wins gr!''!!!1!
Soft and Wet: Go Beyond is busted
Yes! He made a video on Gappy!!
can we get an “abstract” counter?
We're getting into theology here brah
Am so here's where the debate starts how could we prove if return to zero is logical or not cuz logically even the user ( giorno giovanna) dosen't know the ability of his stand and it's not a logical ability so can josuke attack go through that or it can't cuz jojo is entering the multiversel power with this logic i hope someone explain that to me cuz it's so interesting
Cuz if josuke attack hits everything that exists what will happen if that thing just returns to not existing omg my brain can't take all that at once
My opinion is return to zero is logical for stand ability. For GER its like WOU, they can activate their ability without even the user knowing. Go Beyond can bypass the ability of GER and GER can only returns the logical attack.
So what ur saying is gappy can beat goku
Possibly 😈
Yes he murders goku
If it lands more specifically if gappy somehow doesn’t get speed blitz and figures out out to aim it without help ,yes it can
Sheer Heart Attack is invincible nothing can counter it
Here from metas great to be here
Great video but please learn to audio mix correctly or buy a class for your editor. Just constructive criticism again great video
Please check out my recent vs video, both audio and editing have been greatly improved since this video 😭
@@JobberGodot I just did and it is literal night and day. It's amazing how far youve come with your channel in such a short amount of time. I shared this video and the allmight vs one can't wait to see what else you have in store for us
thx man 💚, and I have come pretty far, very proud, happy, and grateful. I’m not done yet though, i’m only just getting started 💪🏾
I personally think that GER would win in a fight between Giorno and Gappy because even though GER can't reset the bubble to zero since it doesn't exist, Giorno would win since Gappy can't even aim the bubble properly as he had to use Paisley Park to direct the bubble at Tooru, so even if it was able to hit Giorno it would definitely not hit any of his vital spots which means that Giorno could heal his injuries since we see that Go Beyond isn't a one shot kill as one hit from it didn't stop Tooru from approaching Yasuho and two hits were needed to just incapacitate him. And this is Tooru we're talking about, who is a cocky and arrogant stand user who was very weak himself because of his overdependence on his stand but Giorno isn't like that, he's taken tons of damage in Part 5 like losing multiple arms, nearly being chopped in half by Babyface etc so I think that he would be able to tank any damage that Go Beyond will inflict on him and defeat Gappy.
Edit(6/3/22): It's been 4 days, why won't you defend the point you made in your video and provide a counterargument to the the assertion that I made about how GER would win? Does that mean you agree with me?? Plz respond
just read this comment, today. I only said S&W GB is more powerful than GER, also I have a discord link in the description if you want to discuss this formally
@@JobberGodot Sorry I don't use discord. I wish we could have settled this disagreement in the youtube comments section.
@@anonymous3012 well you didnt explain how GER win the fight only how giorno can slightly counter the bubbles, i mean GER cant even touch S&W go beyond if his entire body cover up with bubbles
Bruh the buble itself is illogical you cant make something illogical if ur loggical so gappy himself is illogical since being bound by logic meand you are bound by causality
@@JobberGodot so would Soft and Wet be outversal?
This is the ultimate counter to GER
*Waiting for GER meatrider **#484791** to say "bUt GeR cAn UnDo AnYtHiNg"*
@@dreamcorewarlock actually I believe GER CAN counter anything and I believe it could solo most of fiction.
Thing is that soft and wet go beyond is the ultimate counter since anything can be undone by GER, nothing can technically bypass it
@@dreamcorewarlock the thing about(and like) about op jojo abilities is that there are simple and yet extremely strong. They are also more creative than just a normal op character who are op just because they exists
@@dreamcorewarlock thats why GER is my favorite ability (although many abilities in jojo are my favorite)
Tusk act 4 is still my favorite tho
@@dreamcorewarlock thing is I wish araki could expand the limits of the abilities because I wonder if gappy would be able to bypass Joker from persona and touma from index's defense.
Would soft and wet go beyond bypass the ability of dio over heaven?
yea
No since TW:OH (or Dio) needs to just know of the bubble's existence and he can punch a random wall then re-write reality to erase the bubble or better just re-write gappy's existence so his bubble also gets erased since stand effects go away with the user's death (like Grateful death, Tusk act 4)
Because Johnny killed himself and the effects also went away, otherwise his body would keep on spinning when he shot himself.
I hope my explanation is logical, if you see any mistake, you will quickly tell me! :)
@@shumailailyas6009 how would dio delete something that doesn't exist something that bypass logic itself? and im not even talking about gappy beating dio over heaven here.
@@eggynub1096 "Would soft and wet go beyond beat dio over heaven?"
@@eggynub1096 also he can just kill gappy so the effects go away ,
S@w:gb isn't death activated like the stands like notorious b.i.g or cheap tricks
Basically it's similar to Bartholomew kuma's ability on steroids
Strength aizen
Speed saw
Durability aizen
Edurance aizen
Iq biq aizen
Hax- abilities saw
Feats saw
Cosmology saw
Ap- saw
Dc aizen
Winner saw/ neg diff
Can gappy with s&w go beyond beat aizen?
Yeah neg diff personally I think aizen is galaxy
How powerful is ger(strenght wise)
Building level
No one knows
So they’re bubbles made of Vanilla Ice’s stand.
Make a video making stand fusions
Its strong for a bubble blower.
So this means he beat the world over heaven?
yea
No.
TWOH arguably wont be able to manipulate bubble, but it can surely manipulate itself or Standuser.
@@iamgreatalwaysgreat8209 BRUH
@@iamgreatalwaysgreat8209and logical arguments mean nothing it transcends logic and the flow of calamity the highly truth in all of jojo apart from maybe Ying yang duality since that what caused it
@@josephrogers3666
The battle can go two ways
1) DIO is arrongant: Gappy Blast Go beyond,
Dio is arrongant , he say tsk, as bubble are "nothing" so he cant see or Percieve it, the bubble hit him, and vanish his body, He immediately heals his body due to reality manipulation and destroy Gappy, but if bubble hit his hand or head, he is gone forever as Go beyond can erase concept, so physical body is neg diff to erase.
2)DIO is cautious : When Gappy use Go beyond, He immediately Stops time for infinitely, but As bubble dont follow logic, so it will still move and its " nothing " so still cant Percieve it. The result is same as above, hit and heal and Destroy Gappy or hit vital and erase forever.
Fantastic video will you do any vs battles with him?
yea, soon on METAs channel we’ll do GER vs S&W GB
Do you take request for videos?
kinda, i’m setting up a system for that sorta stuff
@@JobberGodot here are my 3 main ideas for videos
How strong is D4C Love train
Ultimate Kars vs 6 path sage Madara
And this is a wired one but would be fun to see
What If Giorno was the main villain of stone ocean instead of Pucci?
@@andyballiet3600Madara has many forms durability negation and massively out scales
Sorry this is extremely late, but does “go beyond” ignore time reversal (be it bites the dust, Mandome, or GER)?
yes
@@JobberGodot could soft and wet be the ultimate attack against joker, touma and anos?
If so then this truly is probably the most op abiltity in fiction (except for narrative controlling abilities)
@@UnisRapperyo chill bro those are complex multi beings😭
Thats enough of bubbles and logic for me 😀
So listen. S@wgb has outer powets at max and can break through any defense but like lets say i put goku Bloodlusted vs josuke whod win? Ik goku is like mftl++ while josuke idk caz yall didnt fully confirm the speed
Jouske would Woop a in character Goku though, since Goku wouldn't be able to Sense the bubbles , also the bubbles are outer so he wouldn't be able to just tank it
Soft at wet
@@jouskehigaskita8835 then toru would have died the second he got hit by the non existent bubble, he had to get hit by the bubble a few times for him to be immobilized, and toru is super weak too.
@@tooruuuuu the first couple bubbles were incomplete/not fully illogical yet
Go Beyond is not outerversal imo, it's even beyond entire tiering system, cuz something without logic breaks mathematical scale which is above infinite layers of boundless, you could clasiffy it as irrelevant since it outscales mathematical scale.
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Josuke himself though...well he's regular maybe athlete human level at max (without stand) so it's really hard to scale Gappy as whole.
that's why ceasar died because if he was alive he would get a stand and the stand would be similar to soft and wet
Ohhhh my gooood
Yeah Soft&Wet:Go Beyond can Stomp dbs verse
Fun fun fun reminds me of boy 2 man
I think, this is the only attack that can damage ger
A lot of attacks could beat ger
Didn't u got slammed by Frankk and Hyppe
No? Also did you mean Dio and Hyype rather than Frank, cause he’s been retired debater for awhile now and I’ve never debated him
I agree wit hthe video, but go beyond doesnt exist because its to this its concidered 0.
my question is can he beat yhwach almighty
What is his defense again?
@@UnisRapper he can rewrite the future and become immune to it, and S&W:gb spin bubbles are immune to any calamity its beyond any power,
@@sahil__________04 okay did some more research(i didnt finish bleach yet so firgive me if this is wrong) THREE things might happen:
1. Yhwach can simply choose a timeline where he dodges soft and wet and it can't hit him
2. Yhwach can't see soft and wet since it does not exist and is not able to dodge it
3. Yhwach CAN see soft and wet but is unable to rewrite it's direction and the attack remains unchanged. Either he dodges it or get hit. (Honestly the most probable occurence)
Idk how fast soft and wet go beyond is or how fast yhwach is so it just depends who could hit who.(because soft and wet can penetrate any defense no matter how strong it is and gappy is literally just a normal human being unlike ywach)
@@UnisRapper so i think soft and wet have more chances to win, since yhwach can't see his stand bcoz ghost,aliens,humans and any super human can't see stands
@@UnisRapperpersonally me I think yhwach is galaxy+/ multi galaxy saw(go beyond) takes this easily bc he defeated a multi+ being which is WOU and overall has better cosmology than bleach so he wins neg diff, THIS IS MY OPINION THO
Ger is above causality
“Causality” is still a concept that has logic to it. Go Beyond ignores logic entirely, so it would be unaffected by GER’s acausality
@@SirHelpMeThe2nd it doesn’t control causality its above it while wonder of you controls calamity and is not above the concept himself
@@BasedGalaxy GER isn’t above calamity/fate. It manipulates fate, but it isn’t above it, meaning that it’s still bound by the logic of fate. Go Beyond isn’t bound by the logic of any concept
i think Gappy might actually be one of the physically strongest Jojo's 🤔🤔mby that a video idea who knows lol
That would be cool but Jonathan is way stronger the Creator said that Jonathan was the strongest Joestar plus if I remember in eyes of heaven Jonathan was stated to be as strong as star Platinum and that game story is made by Araki
@@User_Here414 I mean out of Everyone else tho lol
@@Magenta.000 oh ok
@@User_Here414 I wonder How strong he would be Compared to Jotaro, I feel Like Johnny Joestar might be weakest, although he is stillvstrong enough to ride a horse
@@Magenta.000 I feel like Gappy will be comparable to Jotaro but Johnny Joestar is definitely the weakest accordingly to Araki Jotaro is the second or third strongest Joestar if I remember correctly
...I think I'm done with Power Scaling. Taking something so simple and overexpanding it to areas it shouldnt is just...stupid. It forgets the very idea of the narrative for power. And it makes me cringe.
Wou and soft and wet go beyond we’re never intended to be simple lmao
@@somerandomdude827fr bro's buggin
Haha ruined your 699 likes
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