I never understood Hextall’s tenure with the pens until I discovered that he was working a second job all throughout. Did you know he was simultaneously employed as Gritty all along?
@@WhatsHappeningHockeysee your take in this is bad, hextall being forced to resign Malkin and Letang has done all the damage to this team, there’s a thing called a salary cap and when two old players who aren’t producing to make up for their lack of defence take up 16% of your cap space. Suddenly all these “2 year extensions for the likes of Carter aren’t too bad cause they are only 2 years. Not 6 years for a 35 year old small injury prone defencemen or 4 years for a 36 year old Russian forward. Those contracts deserve hate cause they are awful, his moves for 3rd and 4th liners mean nothing when you are trading your 1st round pick every year for a decade prior. In the salary cap world you need cheap young talent. Just cause Sid’s nickname is the kid doesn’t mean he’s a kid anymore. Kyle Dumbass will do more damage to this team than Ron Hextall could’ve ever done in a decade. The Karlsson trade and Alex Nylander given away for nothing are already your first signs of Dubas ineptitude. Have fun.
I call bullcrap because he was also terrible a s a flyers GM. Also, I'm sure ownership had a role in trying to keep the window open even though it was obvious a rebuild was necessary
Lol he ruined them too. Hiring Hakstoll because he coached his son, refused to bring up Hart and drafted Nolan Patrick over Makar just to name a few of his bonehead moves
tell Hextall your comment, but replace “awful GM” with “awful goalie who can’t keep me out of his crease” and watch that man magically David Blaine summon a Sher-Wood outta thin air.
Flyers Fan: I was glad when he went to Pitt from Philly because we knew he would destroy the Pens like he did with the Flyers! According to Bobby Clarke, it was Hextall who insisted on taking Nolan Patrick over Cale Makar. The entire scouting staff knew the obvious, but Hextall overruled them. Worst draft decision in history
@@Landis_Grantas they should, no city and team will just discard 2 HOFers who helped win the city 3 cups and 15 straight playoff runs. If we trade them sid also certainly wants out, you see how unhappy he was when jake got traded, imagine how he would’ve felt when his 2 best friends and career long teammates were traded a few years after winning a cup, this isn’t gm mode kid
Ian Cole was traded by Jim Rutherford to Ottawa for Derrick Brassard ahead of the 2018 playoffs. I will never forgive him for that. Cole was a huge part of beating the Caps the previous two seasons and the Pens have won one playoff series since that trade. I'm not saying it was only losing Cole that caused their downfall, but they didn't need a third line center over someone who could hit and block shots the way Cole could.
Funny draft picks by Hextall in Philly were an omen he'd destroy the Pens. 2017 Hextall drafts bust Nolan Patrick over Cale Makar and Elias Pettersson. 2014 Hextall drafts Travis Sanheim over David Pasternak. 2015 Hextall drafts Ivan Provorov over Mikko Rantanen , Kyle Connor, Zach Werenski, Barzal, etc. In 2016 Hex drafted German Rubstov over Tage Thompson. Basically the Flyers could have drafted Cale Makar, David Pasternak, Tage Thompson and Mikko Rantanen but Hextall was HEXXING! Nothing personal Pen's fans.
You briefly mentioned it at the end but some of it has to go on Sullivan. Unable to get a spark from guys and when they leave, a new coach gets them into a role where they succeed. Is it to for Sully to hit the road with the recent failures and struggles of the team?
Imo Sullivan is just as to blame for failing to recognize the depth players at his disposal. What separates the good coaches from the great is their ability to form good 3rd/4th lines. Not every coach gets the luxury to set and forget Crosby at 1C every night. John Cooper’s run in Tampa is a great example of how properly utilizing depth players can elevate a team
I could’ve gone into way more depth with Sullivan too. Some of his traits that helped the Penguins to championships have been noticeably absent in recent seasons. When Sully took over in late 2015, he saw great potential in the players he worked with in Wilkes Barre. Bryan Rust, Tom Kuhnackl and Connor Sheary were all injected into the NHL lineup with trust. They had room to make errors and 100% did, but Sully stuck with his gut and let them find their way. The following year he did the same thing with Guentzel (though his impact was much more immediate). In recent seasons Sullivan’s patience for youth has been little to non-existent. Developing players barely get a shot in the NHL. They have incredibly short leashes. This isnt to discredit the fact that the pens’ pool of youth has gotten increasingly shallow. But so has Sullivan’s judgement (see his repeated decision to start Jeff Carter at centre in overtime situations, only to remove him from the ice immediately after the draw) Dominik Simon, Scott Wilson and Josh Archibald are also examples of younger players he really liked. He used them repeatedly in the twenty-teens. But these guys never found proper success with other franchises, with fewer tools in their respective boxes. Was that because Sullivan understood them and was able to milk more out of their games? Or was it blind trust based on a brief history in the AHL? Regardless, Sully has not given young players the same opportunities in recent seasons. His patience is short. He makes his mind up on how a player should be utilized incredibly quick. It’s rare that they’re able to break from that mould.
@@WhatsHappeningHockey exactly, Sullivan in 2016 seems like the complete opposite coach as he is now, then he was creative with lines and utilized those young guys in the best position to succeed (with Crosby) and wasn't afraid to make adjustments especially with goalies, past 2018 he's been worse every year, puts all his faith in whoever the starting goalie was no matter how much better the backup played (first Murray then Jarry) and now doesn't make any adjustments at all, same lines every game, with the occasional scratching of a young 4th liner because he gave the puck away once
He gets zero blame. Obviously should get some heat for running the exact same systems that haven't worked for the past 3 seasons. No adjustments despite different personel.
@@rubberneckinc.8937 the most glaring this to me is that nearly every player brought in from outside the organization plays worse here and most play better when they leave. Karlsson scored 100 points on a dog shit Sharks team last season and looks like he will get 53-55 at best this season. Graves now looks like he doesn't belong in the NHL.
@@rubberneckinc.8937He is to blame. He keeps trying to play a "fast game" with 30 year olds who skate in cement since Hextall traded all the fast players. The Isl's and Rangers make the Pens look like statues.
@@mattcampbell4777 I blame Sullivan for some of it. He should have been let go during this season. It's the same story as last year for the Pens right? He may not pick the guys but he made the same results. You can fire a Cup winning coach.
Ron Hextall was a Flyers in heart. Period. So when he gets installed in bloody state rival Penguins, yeah undercover work is all we need to understand. Hextall: "My lord (Flyers GM) our plans are working. We have ruined our greatest rivals dominance and slowly we have grown terrible! Lord GM: "Excellent, your deep loyalty shall be rewarded soon!"
This generation doesnt fully understand how good they had it, not only did they get to see the big 3 in pittsburgh, we got to see Ovi, We got to see Sid vs Ovi in the play offs. 2 generational players at the top of their game going head to head in the play offs. My generation never had the chance to see 66 vs 99 when it meant something. You may never see anything like that again in the NHL.
@@BeyondMusic420 97 and 29 are both generational talents, 34 and 88 are some of the best goal scorers for their team/of all time, every generation has giants going at eachother, we've never seen 97 vs 87 when it matters either, but that doesn't mean this generation is missing out, I've been a pens fan since 2003 and I've seen many of the greats of the passed 20 years. The talent will continue to get better and better, and rivalries will eventually get back to their peak. The future is bright for NHL stars with how skillful everyone is, it will be awesome to see how everything goes for the next 50 years
When Mario lost interest in the team and FSG took over, that was it. We had an amazing run, rivaled only by Edmonton as far as expansion teams go. Can't blame Mario, he has his life to live and already went above and beyond for the Pens
Very well put. He saved our team from becoming the Kitchener Blackberries. Im from KW, so I wouldnt mind that, but then the team was going to go to Hamilton. That I would not stand for.
I was super lucky I great up watching the Lemieux Jagr Francis era and then the Crosby Malkin Letang era, we have been spoils as pens fan. Having said that the auto-sabotage by Hextall is on another level, maybe we would not get cups but we would have a team that could compete and make the playoffs. Now it's time to take the path of the LA Kings or the Bruins where a retool is possible by doing smart moves, let's see what the holds or let the dark ages begin
Grew up a Pens fan in the 90s, too. Funny, I have such a soft spot for those early 2000s teams and players. JS Aubin, Dick Tarnstrom, Michel Oullet, Rico Fata, Konstantin Koltsov, talk about dark ages. But you knew they were going to lose. They were out there trying their best. It's far harder to stomach this iteration of the Pens, even if this dark age is less dark.
As a Stars fan, and more of a baseball (Texas Rangers) addict, I see your pain. And it recalls the entire San Diego Chargers debacle, with owner Alex Spanos. HE played the long game, even paying for the state of the art pre-season training facilities for his beloved San Fran Niners - while forcing the team he owns, San Diego, to train at older, underwhelming public spaces. Spanos de$ired prime televi$ion money, and wanted the NFL to allow him to move to Lo$ Angele$ or Vega$ - and got his wish decades later. I hope your Pens, especially your top trio (Crosby, Malkin, Letang), don't have to suffer other seasons than 2023-24.
HaHa. He was here in Philly killing the Flyers for way longer than that. You really should have kept him around for 5 to 8 seasons to see what damage he could really do.
The dark ages were the late 90's early 2000s. The years where Kris Beech was their best forward and defenseman Dick Tarnstrum lead the team in scoring. Not there yet, but the ship needs a new course or they will be soon.
Think thats nonsense Nobody is trying to be unsuccessful by design Also as Flyers GM he did mistakes Taking Nolan Patrick when Heiskanen,Makar etc. available Different contracts or the way how he dealt with Voracek Crosby needs to leave for a Canadian team what can win the cup
Alex Nylander has done amazing things in Columbus. Now it's the Jackets...they suck. So he looks like a first line player due to their lack of depth and injuries. Still...can't believe he didn't get a chance in Pittsburgh
Ah yes, the give Dubas time excuse. Dubas is a fraud. His track record speaks for itself. He makes a "splash" signing a big name high priced player for a position that the team doesn't need. Then he grasps for straws and makes excuses and asks for patience. He's incompetent and should be treated as such. Don't give him time, put the heat on him, hold him accountable, then you'll see how useless he really is. This team needed to be faster, younger, like the Caps have done, Dubas brings in Karlsson and Eller, what a joke.
@@ozzymandias7649 thank you, we were all thinking it when we read the original comment. Zero brainpower at work here. Karlsson is overpriced, overrated, and his contract is practically impossible to move.
It is amazing to me how two men could completely dismantle a hockey club and so many of the players they let go of, are now playing great for their respective teams.
I wonder if Hextall's dedication to keep Kapanen had anything to do with his father? Probably a stretch, but Sami played a few years in Philly with Hextall in management
U had Hexstal w a mindset of big tougher guys and Sully wanted fast and more talented guys. The 2 systems didn’t mesh and it is what we have now. Excellent video!!!!
You have always have an eye on the future. Sometimes that means having the ability to trade away fan favorites for pics while they still have value. It's tough - especially with the draft lottery crapshoot.
Darren McCarthy has said many times that the hexstalls have destroyed the pen hockey. I wondered why he said this, you just explained it to me. Thank you!!
As long as Crosby, Malkin and Letang are playing, it's win now culture in Pittsburgh. Right or wrong it's reality. You think Dubass was hired because he promised the great rebuild of 2023? As far as owners asking about Hextall's future plans, that's them covering their owns asses when they decided to move on from him. You think they want a blueprint for a rebuild more than another deep playoff run?
They don't want a deep playoff run or a rebuild, they want MONEY. The Penguins have no chance of another playoff run past the 1st round for the rest of Sid's career no matter what they do. Ownership just wants to keep the old stars as nostalgia to sell tickets and jerseys. They don't care if we win or lose, they just pretend to want to win because we have Crosby.
Very similar to the end of the Doug Wilson era in San Jose. The quicker you can identify you’re in a rebuild phase the better. San Jose wasted 2 seasons thinking they just needed to make a few tweaks to the roster and they’d be right back to making the playoffs.
It's years of trading 1sts to win in the moment even prior to Hextall. Search who's made it since 2013 2013 had Guentzel/Jarry If you go back prior to that Despres,Bennett,Morrow,Pouliot. After 2013 Addison,Blomqvist,Poulin,Bjorkqvist... They did land on Sprong and Murray later rounds but can get by with drafts like that. You need picks to pane out or mix in with the Core. They have Yager/Pickering/TySmith but it's kind of late.
He worst mistake was not getting rid of Mike Sullivan. How he has survived at the helm so far is truly unbelievable and a masterclass of how to hold a job. The Penguins have changed rosters, GMs, owners, they get worse each year and are still convinced the problem ain’t Sully lol
I absolutely love the Penguins and breaks my heart to see them deteriorate before my eyes. The issues started long ago with Rutherford. Regardless of which players you like, the team became a revolving door of trades. They pick up good players, get them integrated, then trade them like baseball cards. These GM’s think they can “engineer” a team by making trades instead of building a team…they’re so stupid but sometimes get lucky like Rutherford…thanks for playing Russian roulette with our team. The problem is the GM’s and ownership.
His moves in Pittsburgh was spotty but no one can deny Hextall’s magnificent rebuild of the LA Kings. He drafted well, stocked up young talent, and the Kings are set for long term success with how he rebuilt the team. Kings have the deepest talent pool of prospects in the NHL. The irony is Blake is running the team into the ground and squandering all of hextall’s work
Mike Matheson can skate and is a left shot. Mike Matheson: 72GP/10G/41A/51Pts, EK65: 72GP/8G/38A/46Pts, Letang: 72GP/8G/34A/43Pts. Trading Matheson for ridiculous Petry and trading for Granlund led to the EK65 trade directly. Could have kept Matheson at $4.875AAV. He has a good cap hit and can play and skate. All hex had to do was keep Tanev (hitter) and McCann (goal scorer) by not putting Carter/Blueger/Kapanan on the protected list. There goes the Pens depth and identity because hex can't evaluate.
Ray Shero and Jim Rutherford were my favorites, we were always in the hunt for the best free agents and trade rumors for top guys. Jim made some bad trades but then again all the fans wanted those players to be here, they just didn’t work out sometimes.
I was convinced it was intentional sabotage with some of the moves he was making, but Dumas hasn't been much better. Graves signing was the biggest head scratcher at the time and now its one of the worst contracts in the NHL. Also he's literally just signing his buddies from prior teams that clearly weren't good fits. (Acciari, Johnsson, Bunting)
What Crosby, Malkin, and Letang have done for sports and this city is unbelievable, and since they have terrorized your team for almost 20 years, it has obviously scarred you.
@@iwoah698 `When the seagulls follow the trawler, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea'....God you pens fans are thinned skinned. Lol
Wasnt reading my script, just speaking off the tip of my tongue. Misspoke and applied the zoom effect to put emphasis on my error! It was a second rounder unfortunately lol
I always believed hexy came in to ruin what the penguins had going on behalf of the flyers But also zero pity from me since the pens had just had 2 straight cups.
I've been a Penguins fan since 1990. I can agree on your take that Hextall wrecked the Penguins, and Kyle Dubas did do a good job of getting rid of a lot of the negative assets acquired by Hextall. Having said that, the Ryan Graves contract was a self own, and while it is better that the Penguins got something instead of losing Guentzel for nothing, the return is underwhelming at best, and potentially could have been avoided if Dubas did a better job retooling the Penguins bottom six and defense.
As a Penguins fan I can tell you that any intelligence in our fanbase gets drowned out by bandwagoners and fellow yinzers who only tune in after Football season and only if the Penguins are good. An intelligent fanbase would have been screaming for Hextall's head after the expansion fiasco, just like an intelligent fanbase would call for Dubas's head after the Karlsson and Graves deals.
@@ozzymandias7649 you're right, it was obvious Hextall had no clue what he was doing from his history with Philly, he was simply the sit in GM while they were trying to sell the team, he should have been gone immediately after the season ended and before the expansion draft, or as soon as the ownership found out his protection list. Dubas has come in and immediately shown how clueless he is as well by immediately putting all his faith in three 36 year olds and a coach who hasn't made a line change or won a playoff series in 5 years. Karlsson trade was good for us on paper (moving several overpaid players in their mid 30s for a superstar) but obviously wasn't going to turn the team around.
And this was Philly’s revenge for having Ray Shero crush them for years in moves and then send in his crony and former assistant Chuck Fletcher to dance on the ashes
I have lived through Mario Lemieux, Jager, Kevin Stevens Ron Francis Darius Kasparaitis, Tom Barrasso Sidney Crosby,Malkin, Chris Letang Marc-André Fleury plus I got to see the end of the 70s Steeler teams all the crap leading up to Ben Roethlisberger. The greatness that was the Bill Cowher teams. all of Tomlin influence. only thing I really missed was the we are family Pirates, the Roberto Clemente greatness. I am really praying that we could stop being, the minor league tryout team for the rest of baseball. and we could start winning. Pittsburgh sports has given me so much happiness and a lot of years taken off of my life due to stress
Granlund is playing great in SJ. He has been SJ best player. He is not overpayed player. When Hextal traded him, he was 31 year old, three year left in contract. He also did had strong season in 21-22, and did play his best hockey with Zucker in Wild. So Hextal probably wanted to reunite them. 22-23 Season was difficult for Granlund and he just didnt fit in Sullivans playing style. So i dont think Granlund trade was so bad. Karlsson trade can be very bad from Dubas tho. Dose 2024 prodected first round from PIT turn to unprodected 1rnd in 25? But no argue, Hextal did bad job.
And people want to throw blame at Dubas for this team. He's just trying to clean up Hextall's mess and start a rebuild. Hextall is the one that buried this team
Spot on with your point of hextall having his head up his ass ! I believe Kyle Dubais is also in over his head ! Getting rid of guentzal and having retained part of his salary for Bunting was a horrible move , jarry and a handful of others could have gone instead! I just hope this does not send the gang of 3 looking elsewhere !
undercover philly agent
I never understood Hextall’s tenure with the pens until I discovered that he was working a second job all throughout. Did you know he was simultaneously employed as Gritty all along?
@@WhatsHappeningHockeysee your take in this is bad, hextall being forced to resign Malkin and Letang has done all the damage to this team, there’s a thing called a salary cap and when two old players who aren’t producing to make up for their lack of defence take up 16% of your cap space. Suddenly all these “2 year extensions for the likes of Carter aren’t too bad cause they are only 2 years. Not 6 years for a 35 year old small injury prone defencemen or 4 years for a 36 year old Russian forward. Those contracts deserve hate cause they are awful, his moves for 3rd and 4th liners mean nothing when you are trading your 1st round pick every year for a decade prior. In the salary cap world you need cheap young talent. Just cause Sid’s nickname is the kid doesn’t mean he’s a kid anymore. Kyle Dumbass will do more damage to this team than Ron Hextall could’ve ever done in a decade. The Karlsson trade and Alex Nylander given away for nothing are already your first signs of Dubas ineptitude. Have fun.
Dude he killed the flyers too. What are you talking about. He just sucks.
@@BANGITSME87 it ain’t that deep lil bro it was just a joke
I call bullcrap because he was also terrible a s a flyers GM. Also, I'm sure ownership had a role in trying to keep the window open even though it was obvious a rebuild was necessary
Nobody will ever convince me that he wasn't under cover for the Flyers. Ain't no way!
Lol he ruined them too. Hiring Hakstoll because he coached his son, refused to bring up Hart and drafted Nolan Patrick over Makar just to name a few of his bonehead moves
Always said he was a saboteur...
What's Dubas's excuse then?
@@johnnyrocken8818No one would have taken Makar over Patrick.
Patrick was the lock pick that year over half the league had him top 3 on their lists Who knew 😊
Kinda destroyed the Flyers too. Man, he must hate Pennsylvania.
I think it was revenge for all the times Mario beat him like a rented mule
Hate that expression 🤬🤬🤬
How can Hextall be an undercover agent for the Flyers when he destroyed the flyers before he went on to the Penguins😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅Hextall is an awful GM
I'm not sure Philly or Pittsburgh should hire each other's alumni.
@@stevencooke6451 you would have to take Mario's back to back cups then.
That was Flyers management 😳
tell Hextall your comment, but replace “awful GM” with “awful goalie who can’t keep me out of his crease” and watch that man magically David Blaine summon a Sher-Wood outta thin air.
@@604eign you mean choke master Hackstall
Flyers Fan:
I was glad when he went to Pitt from Philly because we knew he would destroy the Pens like he did with the Flyers!
According to Bobby Clarke, it was Hextall who insisted on taking Nolan Patrick over Cale Makar. The entire scouting staff knew the obvious, but Hextall overruled them. Worst draft decision in history
Lmao.
Please note Ron’s boss was Brian Burke who also destroyed the Maple Laffs.
The Fenway Sports Group prevented Burke and Hextall from trading dinosaurs Letang and Malkin.
@@Landis_Grantas they should, no city and team will just discard 2 HOFers who helped win the city 3 cups and 15 straight playoff runs. If we trade them sid also certainly wants out, you see how unhappy he was when jake got traded, imagine how he would’ve felt when his 2 best friends and career long teammates were traded a few years after winning a cup, this isn’t gm mode kid
Why in the world would we draft a clown like him?
Protecting Carter, Kapanen and Blueger over McCann will never not be funny
Well.. who even is mcann 😂
@@johannespitkamaki1369scored 40 for Seattle last year
@@johannespitkamaki1369 I can’t tell if this is serious or not
@@johannespitkamaki1369Captain of the Seattle Kraken
Carter needed to be protected because he had a NTC no?
Ian Cole was traded by Jim Rutherford to Ottawa for Derrick Brassard ahead of the 2018 playoffs. I will never forgive him for that. Cole was a huge part of beating the Caps the previous two seasons and the Pens have won one playoff series since that trade. I'm not saying it was only losing Cole that caused their downfall, but they didn't need a third line center over someone who could hit and block shots the way Cole could.
Funny draft picks by Hextall in Philly were an omen he'd destroy the Pens. 2017 Hextall drafts bust Nolan Patrick over Cale Makar and Elias Pettersson. 2014 Hextall drafts Travis Sanheim over David Pasternak. 2015 Hextall drafts Ivan Provorov over Mikko Rantanen , Kyle Connor, Zach Werenski, Barzal, etc. In 2016 Hex drafted German Rubstov over Tage Thompson. Basically the Flyers could have drafted Cale Makar, David Pasternak, Tage Thompson and Mikko Rantanen but Hextall was HEXXING! Nothing personal Pen's fans.
rutherford made a pens 2 in vancouver with all our ex players
You briefly mentioned it at the end but some of it has to go on Sullivan. Unable to get a spark from guys and when they leave, a new coach gets them into a role where they succeed. Is it to for Sully to hit the road with the recent failures and struggles of the team?
Imo Sullivan is just as to blame for failing to recognize the depth players at his disposal. What separates the good coaches from the great is their ability to form good 3rd/4th lines. Not every coach gets the luxury to set and forget Crosby at 1C every night. John Cooper’s run in Tampa is a great example of how properly utilizing depth players can elevate a team
I could’ve gone into way more depth with Sullivan too.
Some of his traits that helped the Penguins to championships have been noticeably absent in recent seasons.
When Sully took over in late 2015, he saw great potential in the players he worked with in Wilkes Barre. Bryan Rust, Tom Kuhnackl and Connor Sheary were all injected into the NHL lineup with trust. They had room to make errors and 100% did, but Sully stuck with his gut and let them find their way.
The following year he did the same thing with Guentzel (though his impact was much more immediate).
In recent seasons Sullivan’s patience for youth has been little to non-existent. Developing players barely get a shot in the NHL. They have incredibly short leashes.
This isnt to discredit the fact that the pens’ pool of youth has gotten increasingly shallow. But so has Sullivan’s judgement (see his repeated decision to start Jeff Carter at centre in overtime situations, only to remove him from the ice immediately after the draw)
Dominik Simon, Scott Wilson and Josh Archibald are also examples of younger players he really liked. He used them repeatedly in the twenty-teens. But these guys never found proper success with other franchises, with fewer tools in their respective boxes.
Was that because Sullivan understood them and was able to milk more out of their games? Or was it blind trust based on a brief history in the AHL?
Regardless, Sully has not given young players the same opportunities in recent seasons. His patience is short. He makes his mind up on how a player should be utilized incredibly quick. It’s rare that they’re able to break from that mould.
@@WhatsHappeningHockey exactly, Sullivan in 2016 seems like the complete opposite coach as he is now, then he was creative with lines and utilized those young guys in the best position to succeed (with Crosby) and wasn't afraid to make adjustments especially with goalies, past 2018 he's been worse every year, puts all his faith in whoever the starting goalie was no matter how much better the backup played (first Murray then Jarry) and now doesn't make any adjustments at all, same lines every game, with the occasional scratching of a young 4th liner because he gave the puck away once
Sullivan still being behind the bench is complete insanity
He gets zero blame. Obviously should get some heat for running the exact same systems that haven't worked for the past 3 seasons. No adjustments despite different personel.
@@rubberneckinc.8937 the most glaring this to me is that nearly every player brought in from outside the organization plays worse here and most play better when they leave. Karlsson scored 100 points on a dog shit Sharks team last season and looks like he will get 53-55 at best this season. Graves now looks like he doesn't belong in the NHL.
@@bradjones9784He certainly doesn't allow creativity. That's probably why young players aren't given a chance under him
@@rubberneckinc.8937He is to blame. He keeps trying to play a "fast game" with 30 year olds who skate in cement since Hextall traded all the fast players. The Isl's and Rangers make the Pens look like statues.
@@mattcampbell4777 I blame Sullivan for some of it. He should have been let go during this season. It's the same story as last year for the Pens right? He may not pick the guys but he made the same results. You can fire a Cup winning coach.
Ron Hextall was a Flyers in heart. Period. So when he gets installed in bloody state rival Penguins, yeah undercover work is all we need to understand.
Hextall: "My lord (Flyers GM) our plans are working. We have ruined our greatest rivals dominance and slowly we have grown terrible!
Lord GM: "Excellent, your deep loyalty shall be rewarded soon!"
The current GM is Danny Briere, and as fan since his playing days, this is blatant slander.
As a pens fan this video hurts but it’s so very true. He ruined the twilight years of sids career
as a caps fan i want the pens to be competitive hockey is better when caps and pens are at their best going head to head
This generation doesnt fully understand how good they had it, not only did they get to see the big 3 in pittsburgh, we got to see Ovi, We got to see Sid vs Ovi in the play offs. 2 generational players at the top of their game going head to head in the play offs. My generation never had the chance to see 66 vs 99 when it meant something. You may never see anything like that again in the NHL.
@@BeyondMusic420 97 and 29 are both generational talents, 34 and 88 are some of the best goal scorers for their team/of all time, every generation has giants going at eachother, we've never seen 97 vs 87 when it matters either, but that doesn't mean this generation is missing out, I've been a pens fan since 2003 and I've seen many of the greats of the passed 20 years. The talent will continue to get better and better, and rivalries will eventually get back to their peak. The future is bright for NHL stars with how skillful everyone is, it will be awesome to see how everything goes for the next 50 years
When Mario lost interest in the team and FSG took over, that was it. We had an amazing run, rivaled only by Edmonton as far as expansion teams go.
Can't blame Mario, he has his life to live and already went above and beyond for the Pens
Very well put. He saved our team from becoming the Kitchener Blackberries. Im from KW, so I wouldnt mind that, but then the team was going to go to Hamilton. That I would not stand for.
Mario didnt lose interest just knew when it was time to get out
The Devils in the 90s and 2000s were better teams and consistently beat the Penguins like a red headed stepchild
@josephmcauley7605 Devils have less championships than Pittsburgh or Edmonton, thus an inferior franchise.
@@josephmcauley7605 The Devils were better in 91-92-93-96-08 & 09?
I was super lucky I great up watching the Lemieux Jagr Francis era and then the Crosby Malkin Letang era, we have been spoils as pens fan. Having said that the auto-sabotage by Hextall is on another level, maybe we would not get cups but we would have a team that could compete and make the playoffs. Now it's time to take the path of the LA Kings or the Bruins where a retool is possible by doing smart moves, let's see what the holds or let the dark ages begin
Hopefully they haven’t run out of time for the retool, need to see Crosby and Co get another crack at the cup
Peter Chiarelli was 10x worse than Hextall. But yeah, Hextall was still real bad.
Grew up a Pens fan in the 90s, too. Funny, I have such a soft spot for those early 2000s teams and players. JS Aubin, Dick Tarnstrom, Michel Oullet, Rico Fata, Konstantin Koltsov, talk about dark ages. But you knew they were going to lose. They were out there trying their best. It's far harder to stomach this iteration of the Pens, even if this dark age is less dark.
Winner of the Mike Milbury Award
Underrated comment there. He doesn't touch Mike though because somehow Milbury kept his job longer
Kyle Dubas: hold my beer
As a Stars fan, and more of a baseball (Texas Rangers) addict, I see your pain. And it recalls the entire San Diego Chargers debacle, with owner Alex Spanos. HE played the long game, even paying for the state of the art pre-season training facilities for his beloved San Fran Niners - while forcing the team he owns, San Diego, to train at older, underwhelming public spaces. Spanos de$ired prime televi$ion money, and wanted the NFL to allow him to move to Lo$ Angele$ or Vega$ - and got his wish decades later.
I hope your Pens, especially your top trio (Crosby, Malkin, Letang), don't have to suffer other seasons than 2023-24.
wow hextall really only started in 2021? i thought he was there for like a decade with all the damage he did..
He did a decade's worth of damage, so there's that.
HaHa. He was here in Philly killing the Flyers for way longer than that. You really should have kept him around for 5 to 8 seasons to see what damage he could really do.
The dark ages were the late 90's early 2000s. The years where Kris Beech was their best forward and defenseman Dick Tarnstrum lead the team in scoring. Not there yet, but the ship needs a new course or they will be soon.
Steve McKenna was an alternate captain... 😂😂
Nuff said.
As a sharks fan I’d like to thank Hextall for all his fine work.
Hextall somehow managed to do a decade's worth of damage in just two years. That's impressive by any standard.
@@joes878 agreed.
Hextall playin the long game - making sure to finally destroy the Pens in favor of his beloved Flyers.
Think thats nonsense
Nobody is trying to be unsuccessful by design
Also as Flyers GM he did mistakes
Taking Nolan Patrick when Heiskanen,Makar etc. available
Different contracts or the way how he dealt with Voracek
Crosby needs to leave for a Canadian team what can win the cup
@@goenzoy712no.
Go.
Away.
He was awful with the Flyers too, this is a lazy and stupid take. Flyers fans hate this dude now.
I'm amazed that people don't understand sarcasm.
@@MrJayehawkthey do, but Flyers fans hate him just as much.
Alex Nylander has done amazing things in Columbus. Now it's the Jackets...they suck. So he looks like a first line player due to their lack of depth and injuries. Still...can't believe he didn't get a chance in Pittsburgh
How many games did he play on the Pens roster?
People say the Karlson trade was bad, but dumping those bad contracts alone was worth the 1st round pick. Give Dubas time.
Ah yes, the give Dubas time excuse.
Dubas is a fraud. His track record speaks for itself. He makes a "splash" signing a big name high priced player for a position that the team doesn't need. Then he grasps for straws and makes excuses and asks for patience.
He's incompetent and should be treated as such.
Don't give him time, put the heat on him, hold him accountable, then you'll see how useless he really is.
This team needed to be faster, younger, like the Caps have done, Dubas brings in Karlsson and Eller, what a joke.
Time for what dude? Look at what he did in Toronto, he just handcuffed himself in Pittsburgh just like he did with the Tavares signing
What a stupid statement. You didn't dump those contracts for a first if you ended up taking on an equally garbage contract.
@@ozzymandias7649 thank you, we were all thinking it when we read the original comment.
Zero brainpower at work here.
Karlsson is overpriced, overrated, and his contract is practically impossible to move.
Not if its the #11 overall pick. San Jose and even Montreal have come out far ahead in this trade.
It is amazing to me how two men could completely dismantle a hockey club and so many of the players they let go of, are now playing great for their respective teams.
I wonder if Hextall's dedication to keep Kapanen had anything to do with his father? Probably a stretch, but Sami played a few years in Philly with Hextall in management
Dubas will continue to carry Hextal's torch
he’s done a fine job so far
This video was so frustrating to watch. You’re right in every way too
U had Hexstal w a mindset of big tougher guys and Sully wanted fast and more talented guys. The 2 systems didn’t mesh and it is what we have now. Excellent video!!!!
I always knew Hextall was my favorite Flyer for a reason! Thanks again, Ron!
Hextall destroyed Philly . What did Management expect ? Duh .
And now you have Kyle Dubas doing the same.
@@wizzerwiser2056he has not even been remotely close to as bad as hextall was
Give him time
He destroyed the flyers and i was sooooo happy when the penguins hired him because i knew he was going to destroy them too 😂
Haha. And now they have Dubas. I look forward to your coverage of his failure coming down the pipe.
Legit quality content man you deserve more subs!
Thanks brother. Much appreciated.
You have always have an eye on the future. Sometimes that means having the ability to trade away fan favorites for pics while they still have value. It's tough - especially with the draft lottery crapshoot.
He did the same thing to the Flyers and then Chuck Fletcher took over right after and it got even worse😂😂😂
Darren McCarthy has said many times that the hexstalls have destroyed the pen hockey. I wondered why he said this, you just explained it to me. Thank you!!
And you wondered why we all laughed in Philly when they hired him. Now that he's done this, we love Ron all over again! Just stay off Broad St!
As long as Crosby, Malkin and Letang are playing, it's win now culture in Pittsburgh. Right or wrong it's reality.
You think Dubass was hired because he promised the great rebuild of 2023?
As far as owners asking about Hextall's future plans, that's them covering their owns asses when they decided to move on from him. You think they want a blueprint for a rebuild more than another deep playoff run?
They don't want a deep playoff run or a rebuild, they want MONEY. The Penguins have no chance of another playoff run past the 1st round for the rest of Sid's career no matter what they do. Ownership just wants to keep the old stars as nostalgia to sell tickets and jerseys. They don't care if we win or lose, they just pretend to want to win because we have Crosby.
Very similar to the end of the Doug Wilson era in San Jose. The quicker you can identify you’re in a rebuild phase the better. San Jose wasted 2 seasons thinking they just needed to make a few tweaks to the roster and they’d be right back to making the playoffs.
Stan Bowman has left the chat.
Excellent analysis
Decline started with Burke, grew with Hextal, and blew up with the beantown bean counters taking over.
Great video. This needed to be talked about
The same could be said about the early 2010’s. We had a lot of great teams with great talent, but couldn’t pull through for various reasons
Hextall still has that flyers dual loyalty
Hextall drove the nail into the coffin and Dufus will is clinching it!😂
It's years of trading 1sts to win in the moment even prior to Hextall.
Search who's made it since 2013
2013 had Guentzel/Jarry
If you go back prior to that
Despres,Bennett,Morrow,Pouliot.
After 2013 Addison,Blomqvist,Poulin,Bjorkqvist...
They did land on Sprong and Murray later rounds but can get by with drafts like that.
You need picks to pane out or mix in with the Core. They have Yager/Pickering/TySmith but it's kind of late.
I'd like to take this opportunity to complain about the Dubas era because he has glasses and let's just ignore the Hextall moves
im a rangers fan and this vid was super interesting to watch - you should make more!
im surprised burke let this shit happen tbh.
Love Burke, prior to his tenure here, could be a combination of new ownership & the modern league passing him by.
He worst mistake was not getting rid of Mike Sullivan. How he has survived at the helm so far is truly unbelievable and a masterclass of how to hold a job. The Penguins have changed rosters, GMs, owners, they get worse each year and are still convinced the problem ain’t Sully lol
Most teams will gladly suffer a lengthy rebuild for one cup, let alone three.
I absolutely love the Penguins and breaks my heart to see them deteriorate before my eyes. The issues started long ago with Rutherford. Regardless of which players you like, the team became a revolving door of trades. They pick up good players, get them integrated, then trade them like baseball cards. These GM’s think they can “engineer” a team by making trades instead of building a team…they’re so stupid but sometimes get lucky like Rutherford…thanks for playing Russian roulette with our team. The problem is the GM’s and ownership.
Fenway sports group has the reverse Midas touch on franchises
You didn't mention that Kapanen was almost traded but he had a couple good games and then they resigned him
His moves in Pittsburgh was spotty but no one can deny Hextall’s magnificent rebuild of the LA Kings. He drafted well, stocked up young talent, and the Kings are set for long term success with how he rebuilt the team. Kings have the deepest talent pool of prospects in the NHL. The irony is Blake is running the team into the ground and squandering all of hextall’s work
Mike Matheson can skate and is a left shot. Mike Matheson: 72GP/10G/41A/51Pts, EK65: 72GP/8G/38A/46Pts, Letang: 72GP/8G/34A/43Pts. Trading Matheson for ridiculous Petry and trading for Granlund led to the EK65 trade directly. Could have kept Matheson at $4.875AAV. He has a good cap hit and can play and skate. All hex had to do was keep Tanev (hitter) and McCann (goal scorer) by not putting Carter/Blueger/Kapanan on the protected list. There goes the Pens depth and identity because hex can't evaluate.
Ray Shero and Jim Rutherford were my favorites, we were always in the hunt for the best free agents and trade rumors for top guys. Jim made some bad trades but then again all the fans wanted those players to be here, they just didn’t work out sometimes.
I was convinced it was intentional sabotage with some of the moves he was making, but Dumas hasn't been much better. Graves signing was the biggest head scratcher at the time and now its one of the worst contracts in the NHL. Also he's literally just signing his buddies from prior teams that clearly weren't good fits. (Acciari, Johnsson, Bunting)
Imagine what they could’ve gotten in return for Malkin and Letang if they had traded them earlier. Could’ve piled up picks and good young players.
When Pitt is down, the sports world thrives.
This is simply incorrect. I could write out a response but this is just a bad take.
Thank you for the compliment & testifying to their awesomeness. Schadenfreude is a character trait in those that lack it...
What Crosby, Malkin, and Letang have done for sports and this city is unbelievable, and since they have terrorized your team for almost 20 years, it has obviously scarred you.
@@iwoah698 `When the seagulls follow the trawler, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea'....God you pens fans are thinned skinned. Lol
@@iwoah698 `When the seagulls follow the trawler, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea'
I have no doubt the league will fix the Pens in the draft.
Just like they did for the Blackhawks... SMH
McKenna?
Like they did when the Pens were worst in the league but Capitals got the 1st overall pick?
Plain and simple the Penguins were never the same after throwing a 3-1 series lead against my New York Rangers in the 1st Round of the 2022 Playoffs
Thank you Hexy! Lets Go Flyers!
10:01 Was Granlund acquired for a 3rd round pick, as you state, or a 2nd round pick, as stated in the screen grab?
Wasnt reading my script, just speaking off the tip of my tongue. Misspoke and applied the zoom effect to put emphasis on my error! It was a second rounder unfortunately lol
Hextall fired from Philly for focusing on youth and the future, then fired from the Pens for doing the exact opposite.
Ahem, that's Stanley Cup Champion Teddy Blueger
Hextall did this to the Flyers also. Flyers are finally getting better and recovered after Hextall era
I always believed hexy came in to ruin what the penguins had going on behalf of the flyers
But also zero pity from me since the pens had just had 2 straight cups.
I never understood why on Earth we put a f'n Flyer in the front office 🤮
Immediately hire Downtown Robbie Brown
Next video in the series, “How Kyle Dubas DESTROYED what was left of the Pittsburgh Penguins”.
I've been a Penguins fan since 1990. I can agree on your take that Hextall wrecked the Penguins, and Kyle Dubas did do a good job of getting rid of a lot of the negative assets acquired by Hextall. Having said that, the Ryan Graves contract was a self own, and while it is better that the Penguins got something instead of losing Guentzel for nothing, the return is underwhelming at best, and potentially could have been avoided if Dubas did a better job retooling the Penguins bottom six and defense.
Not moving on from the veterans is on the organization not Ron
lemieux sold at the perfect time, such a 1000iq move
Carter trade was a win, contributor for cheap and lowered cap hit
Trade was a win, extension was not
The fact that Carter still gets regular minutes is unbelievable. The guy is done.
It's funny to me seeing folks accuse Hextall of being a double agent like he wasn't essentially sabotaging the Flyers while he was their GM too.
why you didnt mention acquiring Erik Karlsson?
Wasnt a Hextall acquisition
Sleeper Agent Hextall. Fly flyer fly 😅
Dude destroyed the flyers. Had no idea why the pens picked him up.
I would rather suffer with Hextall forever than have Chuck Fletcher for one season. He's the one that set us back the most.
That rangers series took YEARS off my life. Sid getting hurt and broccoli man sucking was the worst.
man hextall was on some pierre dorion stuff
As a leaf’s fan I’m sorry you guys have Kyle dubas
Kyle Dubas: hold my beer
lol u clowns don't deserve him. shanny is calling all the shots for that shit show anyways.
As a Penguins fan I can tell you that any intelligence in our fanbase gets drowned out by bandwagoners and fellow yinzers who only tune in after Football season and only if the Penguins are good.
An intelligent fanbase would have been screaming for Hextall's head after the expansion fiasco, just like an intelligent fanbase would call for Dubas's head after the Karlsson and Graves deals.
I'm not they were stupid enough to hire him. Half of those guys Hextall let go, Dubus signed them in Toronto only to let them go as well.
@@ozzymandias7649 you're right, it was obvious Hextall had no clue what he was doing from his history with Philly, he was simply the sit in GM while they were trying to sell the team, he should have been gone immediately after the season ended and before the expansion draft, or as soon as the ownership found out his protection list. Dubas has come in and immediately shown how clueless he is as well by immediately putting all his faith in three 36 year olds and a coach who hasn't made a line change or won a playoff series in 5 years. Karlsson trade was good for us on paper (moving several overpaid players in their mid 30s for a superstar) but obviously wasn't going to turn the team around.
Undercover flyers agent? 😂
I find it funny how Pittsburgh replaced the guy who protected Jeff Carter over Jared McCann with the guy who protected Justin Holl over Jared McCann.
And this was Philly’s revenge for having Ray Shero crush them for years in moves and then send in his crony and former assistant Chuck Fletcher to dance on the ashes
Been a hell of a ride 🖤💛
Looking back at it, McCann's and Marino's trade were HORRENDOUS
Ron Hextal always hated Pittsburgh. He was a Flyers goalie, and he detested the Pens.
I have lived through Mario Lemieux, Jager, Kevin Stevens Ron Francis Darius Kasparaitis, Tom Barrasso Sidney Crosby,Malkin, Chris Letang Marc-André Fleury plus I got to see the end of the 70s Steeler teams all the crap leading up to Ben Roethlisberger. The greatness that was the Bill Cowher teams. all of Tomlin influence. only thing I really missed was the we are family Pirates, the Roberto Clemente greatness. I am really praying that we could stop being, the minor league tryout team for the rest of baseball. and we could start winning. Pittsburgh sports has given me so much happiness and a lot of years taken off of my life due to stress
Who hired me Hextall?? That on them
Granlund is playing great in SJ. He has been SJ best player. He is not overpayed player. When Hextal traded him, he was 31 year old, three year left in contract. He also did had strong season in 21-22, and did play his best hockey with Zucker in Wild. So Hextal probably wanted to reunite them. 22-23 Season was difficult for Granlund and he just didnt fit in Sullivans playing style. So i dont think Granlund trade was so bad. Karlsson trade can be very bad from Dubas tho. Dose 2024 prodected first round from PIT turn to unprodected 1rnd in 25? But no argue, Hextal did bad job.
Nylander is looking spicy on Columbus so far, lol
And people want to throw blame at Dubas for this team. He's just trying to clean up Hextall's mess and start a rebuild. Hextall is the one that buried this team
Ron Hextall has destroyed everything he touches... Philly, Quebec, Pittsburgh etc.
Spot on with your point of hextall having his head up his ass ! I believe Kyle Dubais is also in over his head ! Getting rid of guentzal and having retained part of his salary for Bunting was a horrible move , jarry and a handful of others could have gone instead! I just hope this does not send the gang of 3 looking elsewhere !
As a Flyers fan, this couldn't have happened to a better team.
As a Pens fan, 🥱