Is Nikola JOKIC Better Than Joel EMBIID?
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
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Did you know Jokic made more Triple Doubles than dunks in 17-18 season
There's no way that's true 😂
José Francisco it somehow is
Yes. He got 10 triple doubles last season (4th in the league behind Westbrook, LeBron and Simmons) vs 8 dunks.
Wow that's amazing, I really like Jokic, I can't believe he is so underrated, I mean I knew he had a bunch of triple double and nobody cared, then I actually watched at the end of the season and it felt like he had a HUGE game every time it was needed.
I hope this is the season when people finally realize he's better than KAT
8dunks? Lol wtf my boy lonzo did more
I only see both of them dominate KAT in this video
KAT sucks.
KAT is *wildly* overrated. He's a marginally better shooter than Jokic, and that's literally it. He's a far worse defender than either Embiid or Jokic.
@@RoninWaffle Again you people are just feeding off of hype. KAT is easily the best scorer of the two ,the best rebounder and is literally a third option because he has a shitty coach that plays him 40 minutes. Jokic has been so overhyped these months and its ridiculous what one good run does.
Nana Gotham “One Good Run” Except that Towns barely improved the way he was supposed to improve. Remember when people say Anthony Davis vs Karl Anthony Towns was the future rivalry? Now Davis has left Towns in the dust. Jokic and Embiid are developing faster than Towns, and that’s a fact that you can’t debate. In terms of potential, Towns should’ve had a pretty good margin against Jokic, and yet their currently equal. Jokic managed to lead his team to nearly equal to Town’s team last season, and don’t try to say he was 3rd option when it was just Butler and him (Wiggins was supposed to be the other 3rd guy, another overrated player).
I’m a fan of the current Big men in the league, and I can confidently say that Jokic can dominate a lot more than most. I have even noticed other players mention him. He’s dropping so much triple-doubles and he’s barely chasing for stats. Towns has better help defense, but Jokic has better vision. The man has those Lebron eyes on the 5 spot.
I still say that Jokic and Towns are equals atm, but Jokic shows more potential to develop though.
@@RoninWaffle Neither him or Jokic or good defenders but their defense is virtually the same. Both had a defensive rating of 107 but KAT averages mor blocks with 1.4 bpg. This is for 2018 btw. Its way closer than what people actually think
Embiid is a better athlete, Jokic is the more skilled player
Stiller Nation Embiid still has elite footwork in the post for his age.
This is literally the Lebron/Kobe argument 😂
Josh Lee I as thinking the exact same lol
Angelo Bugaoan What he said doesn't mean Embiid has no skill, but Jokic obviously has more, not to mention his own skills involve everyone instead of just a way to score
2 different styles of play but both very effective, Lebron is better though and so is embiid
Joker 23, Embid 24, AD 25....I think the NBA will be entertaining for years to come.
Warriors in 2
Donavan Mitch, Tatum, Lonzo, Jaylen Brown, Jammal Murray etc etc, we got a bright future in these youngsters
Nuggets will be the next Golden State warriors and Kd or Lebron might join them in the future....😂😂😂
Jirick Anuada as a nuggets fan I world love that
andre drummond yes
I love both, but something so smooth and enjoyable about watching Jokic.
Looking at him now jokic might be a bit better
@@steveparaiso5224 how about now ?
@@sauran94 Way better :D
@@TrueWodzu how bout now🤣
Building a team around, I’d take Jokic because his style of play makes so many teammates better but you honestly can’t go wrong with either guy.
On the same thought, Id rather build a team around a center who can be a defensive anchor than one who struggles laterally in the PnR heavy NBA
With the direction the nba is going in, I’d take Jokic. Literally no one on the Warriors played in the low post which is what Embiid excels at. Jokic also provides amazing floor spacing with his passing
Preach, Marlon
Exactly, Embiid is EASILY the better player, but I'd also rather to build around Jokic, because he's got better health, he is a better team player, has a better fit in the modern era, and it just feels like you can succed with him somehow.
Kind of reminds me of a Curry vs Westbrook. Even though curry is also the better point guard, but you get my point
I think Jokic would do great with a good defending PF and some all-around shooters on the guard spots. The SF could maybe work too as a backup rebounder since Jokic likes to space the floor.
This is a hard one. But I’ll take the joker.
Same
jonathan. Embiid gets MVP chants literally every game. He is averaging 27-13 to Jokics 19-10 and Embiid is a much better defender. What makes you say Jokic is better?
@@alexharper6163 he runs an injury plagued offense and has led them to the number 2 spot in the west. Passing ability, vision, and decision making put him a step above embiid
Papa Zyn again, Embiid is a better scorer and they aren’t even on the same planet defensively. Head to head when Embiid plays Sixers are 2-0 and Embiids numbers are better across the board outside of assists.
@@alexharper6163 Embiid has a lower fg%, not better offensively, he takes more shots. Jokic makes the whole team better. Embiid makes his team better when he has a good matchup and can crank up 30+ shots.
Well...Jokic can do it all, but Embii is much better defender As Nugget fan who love his team i got to amid...Embii is better, but because hes defense is great.
Jokic is getting better at defense every year. I just feel that Jokic Crafty/Without jumping and gunning game will make his career to last longer than Embii
Jokic is actually a good defender. Embiid looks much better but Jokic does little things like securing rebounds that ends up helping the overall defense a great deal. Embiid is still a little better defensively but not by much
Brother why do you keep saying “Embii”
OK, I see your logic, but no, here is a question, is Yao Ming a great blocker? No, he never had enough blocks as guys like Howard, Ratcliff or Camby, but if you watch Houston games at the time, basically no guards would go inside like they did with the magics the hawks or the knicks, it's the intimidation Yao Ming posted that changes the game for them, if you raise a level, it's the same thing with Shaq with Kareem don't have more blocks than Olajuwon even tho they have longer careers. Every media member keep talking about Embiid's defensive ability, is not just about the plays he can pull, it's the intimidation factor, the way Embiid change opponents' tactic on spot by just being there is very old school bigman like, Jokic is not even close to being that, altho he never really tried so he might still have a chance.
Jokic is not "a good defender". He conceded 47% shooting last year (Kanter/Ryan Anderson level). That's compared to Embiid's 42% (better than Gobert). That's way more than "a little better"
Romnys Gonzalez Are u sure? He got exposed and didn’t play no defense in the playoffs 😂
I’m tired of people discrediting nikola jokic he is a top three center in the Nba and deserves to be treated like such
Ricky Dornberger discrediting? if anything they overrate him. they talk about him like he's a top 10 superstar player. the man can't even take his team to the playoffs while kawhi and boogie were injured the whole year and having a better roster than the trailblazers
Reqzy cousins has never been in the playoffs in his entire career and people considered him the best center in the league. Also they dont have a better roster, millsap was trash, and everyone else other than jokic was inconsistent, even jamal murray. And jokic was incredible while they were fighting for that playoffs spot, he averaged like 25-14-8
Naw..... Philly people give the Joker his respect ...he's Top 5
I hate when people he’s not good becuase his team didn’t make it to the playoffs,they had 46 wins and missed the playoffs in game 82 in OT. People say boogie is good but he never made the playoffs so why is jokic not good? Just stop using the same damn excuse
@@kodakwhite lmao right, boogies teams have been worse than jokics if anything. even last yr when boogie got hurt the pels were better w/o him
I’m glad Jokic getting seen as a top center he’s been slept on
now MVP welcome
"Sometimes your best ability, Is availability." ~Jeff Van Gundy Give me JOKIC!
4 months since this video was made......
Told you's that JOKIC is the man!!! 💪🇷🇸
Nemanja Mocevic Still a wannabe luka
@@nalimlattarai2873 what?
Jokic has got a similar impact on his team to players like Lebron, Magic, Bird, etc. He is the main facilitator and has ridiculous IQ. Embiid is more like Shaq, Wilt, Hakeem, etc, and has a similar impact to them. In the end it’s about the system around them and injury luck that’s going to determine who will have a better career.
Nigga chill...Jokic just stands on the wing and waits for other players to cut or create space...Magic, LeBron and even Bird created for others, Jokic waits for their teammates to create OFF THE BALL and then he just passes to them, ain't that hard but he gets a lot of recognition for it because he does it in a flashy way.
Y'all need to chill with these dumb comparisons....
The closest impact that we've seen someone have that is even close to what LBJ and Magic had is Ben Simmons...
the fact that jokic doesn't need to drive or dribble much to get the defense's attention and can make it move and collapse just by getting position down low with the ball or facing up on the wing makes him that much more efficient when it comes to playmaking.
spacing is better for everybody else if your playmaker doesn't need to penetrate to create openings elsewhere and instead can just attack with the pass. it still recquires crazy timing and precision and most importantly the awareness to read and react to both your teammates' movement and the defense's movement.
when i see jokic i feel like from the start of the possession he knows how it will unfold and where it'll end up. he's always seeing 2 or 3 plays ahead.
Martín Ferroni y'all giving him too many props for what he's doing. He's passing to wide open teammates. "tHe FaCt ThAt JoKiC DoEsN't NeEd To.." shut yp ass up...He doesn't draw any attention because he's predictable...He can do one of 3 things...Pass, post-backdown or shoot....No one is scared by that.
sWampY
It’s okay you don’t understand basketball. Dude broke it down perfectly for you and just brushed it aside like a mad 3rd grader not wanting to pay attention in class. Educate yo self
Hoop Fan_ Trust me, I did. The reason I responded that way is because this is the 4th or 5th guy who I chose to argue with and I didn't really wanna make ANOTHER elaborate response.
This is the video I’ve been waiting for. Love Jokic
Dang, Jokic underrated for sure.
The nigga can't defend for shit. his defense is Kevin Love tier bad
A center who can’t rim protect, rebound, or defend? I’ll pass
@@BigShaneGillis he would be a 4 on any other team
Ben Simmons. He can rebound. His defense is just too terrible imo. Center is the msot important defensive position and he's one of the worst at defending in the world
Ben Simmons he averaged almost 11 rebounds, 1.2 steals and a block per game last year. Sure he isn't the most athletic guy out there but he is far from incompetent at rebounding and defense.
I'd take Jokic casue he can benefit his teammates more; spacing, passing and his IQ is insane
Welp I'm taking Embiid. Have fun getting dropped off by the process.
@@TheIcemanthomas I'm not saying Embiid is bad 😂 and the sixers and definitely better than the nuggets but overall Jokic just sun's out although Embiid is probably better at what he does if you get what I mean
I think embiid’s defensive impact is way too good in comparison to jokic’s to not take him. That benefits the team tremendously
@@jackdaws7125 I can't argue on the shot blocking end of things but I mean the video says Jokic doubled Embiid in steals and while he's not as athletic/explosive he's still a presence in the paint. So overall Jokic might not be quite as good a shot blocker but his other attributes still make him a good defender
CPGoat #3 Embiid’s knees though
4 years after this video, Embiid still can't go past the second rounds, while Jokic lead the Nuggets to Chip while leading in Points, Rebounds and Assist in the play-offs.
All-NBA Teams are out in 2019. Jokic is in the 1st team. Embiid is on the 2nd. It's now official. Jokic>Embiid.
culturalcrowns that’s proves nothing
Master Of The Craft lol did the postseason prove anything?
Jokic 100% bball iQ is massive,way better player then embiid
😂 Hold that L
Instead of talking about the two center's game, lets focus on this channel's ability to smoothly transition to sponsored app placement
Heck yeah!!
So slick wid it doe.... smoothest transition
Yea that was smooth as shit gotta say, I still skipped it though 😂
Jokic is leading his team to one of the best records in the NBA with less talent around him than Embiid.
Jokic is better
It's January 2019. Jokic is the best center in the league right now.
It’s October 2020. Jokic is still the best and it isn’t even close
2022 same,historic season for the Joke,how many records per season with trash team this is insane!
a manu ginobili as a center. i would always take him over embiid
bartusch he's not as flashy as manu but i got your point
fuck yeah i cant wait to see Jokic explode his entire potential
with manu-level rim protection. Anyone who's not an idiot would take Embiid
@PheonixHDGaming Not as flashy? Look up Nikola Jokic Top 10 highlights and Manu's as well. I would say they are comparatively awesome - with Jokic having spent 3 years in the league. I love Manu, but c'mon
Oli Wilde tell jokic learn how to play defence plz,hahahahhaa
This not even a contest right now. Jokic is on another level
in terms of overall, it's JOKIC
Jokic is the better overall player
LIABILTY ON D
Embid is a 100 percent better defender
Embiid averages about 27-13. Last year came second in defensive player of the year voting..... HOW THE HE'LL IS JOKIC a better overall player???
po po no sir
Nah i would say Embiid is all the center position needs... he averages 30 points 1.5 blks and like 13 rebounds in less minutes than Jokic. Joel Embiid also plays better D than Jokic and is nominated as DPOY. Jokic is the better passing center but Embiid is the better overall center. You might want Jokic on ur team because of Embiids health tho
Nuggets would be a top team in the East
*West
Duhhhh
Def top4
Not with that lousy defense....
@@sandernista6499 The Nuggets were one dub away from getting the 8th seed in a stacked Western Conference. Loosing Chandler and getting Thomas will make their defense worst, but I think that theyre offense alone can make them a playoff team in the west kinda like the Suns used to be under Di'Antoni
Oh but jokic is in western conference
Jeff Gomez ok but he has the PERFECT team around him...Shooters everywhere that can also drive AND catch lobs....
@@Humble_808 if he had the perfect team around him they would play some defense
Defense is anchored by the Center.
I thought we are in this era of position less basketball LoL and btw some teams anchored D thru their coaches 😀
SIXER OWNED DENVER
These guys are both great examples of where the NBA is pushing the 5 spot toward. You need to have value for spacing, defending, and generating your own scoring. All three of them. These guys are incredible. Theirs will be the game that centers in the NBA model for decades to come.
That ads transition is smoother than the Warriors offense
I am more amazed by how smooth that ad was😂
if jokic was the defender that joel is, He would be without a doubt
Well he's not.... if I was the basketball player Lebron James is I would be in the nba
A Wallaby oh really? lmao there was literally no reason to get smart
@@BOXMETHEN Didn't mean to come off as aggressive, I guess you can't project a tone in text lmao
Jokic’s defensive rating is ten points higher than Embiid’s
@@BuMMasUmmA Defensive rating all depends on 5 guys on the floor, its a weak use when taking about individual stats
Love the music it gives me goosebumps watchin this video about two future Hall of Famer Centers
How fun would it be to see 5 of these guys on the floor at the same time on the same team in the new All Star game format: Embiid, Jokic, Kevin Durant, Anthony Davis, Giannis and I guess Porzingis???? Because all of these guys are giants and can run the break and see the court and pass the ball.
After seeing your video, I want to see these 2 included in the conversation as we talk about the unicorns. Because of how smart and skilled they are and how they are the keys to any playoff success their teams could have, I'd put them in any list that includes KD, AD, Giannis and I guess Porzingis. I think of how good Chris Webber was when he was at the top of his game and I think that these guys can even be better because of how open the court is in today's game.
nah watching this after the 2022 season is crazy
Embiid is stronger, Jokić is smarter player.
One year later, I think the debate was over at this point
Of course Jokic is better
At what? Cause he's much worse than embiid at basketball
@@steamingwillybeaming Come in Serbia, your noise will be broken
@@aleksalazarevic7709 no thats ok. I like having food and clean water
@@steamingwillybeaming GMO shut up
Jokic is better just in Serbia. Embiid is better in the rest of the world.
Both are great players. Man wish Nuggets and 76ers can have more games, It's been a very long time since last time I see Great NBA BIGS clashing.
While Im watching this video I realize that KAT can't play defense to save his life...🤔😔
Embiid already told you so.
No one played better than Joker this year. He his the MVP and has been from start to finish. I’m not a nuggets fan or Jokic fan but facts are facts
I'll take the mf Joker any day! Don't let him get some more athleticism it'll be over
Individualy better: Embiid.
Who makes team better: Joker.
Who showed up better in Play Offs: Joker
Great video coach - very insightful comments for both players
Another great, objective, hype-free breakdown! While there's no way Jokic can ever equal Embiid as a rim protector due to his lack of athleticism, he is definitely right there in pretty much every other respect, and could arguably even catch him in scoring if he really made it a focus. The fact that Jokic will always pass up a decent shot for himself in favor of a perfect shot for this teammates is what makes him great, though. They are both magical unicorns any way you look at it.
These are facts 💯
Jokic is a terrible defender in general, not jsut rim proetection. Hs pick n roll defense is kevin love bad
Not untrue...but I'll still take the defensive liability in exchange for the amount of offense "Jokic Ball" is able to generate going the other way. If he can improve from "horrible" to "slightly below average" in PnR situations, then I'm happy with that. His biggest problem honestly is not the points he gives up, but his tendency to be lazy and get in foul trouble. When he was on the bench last season, the Nuggets sucked.
But the thing is that the difference in defense is far greater than the difference in offense.
@@jameslearing970 Right, but my point is that Jokic improves total team offense more than Embiid does. No question, Embiid is way more capable of dominating a game by himself when he's hot (and healthy), but Jokic makes everyone else better when he's on his game. 1 on 1 or maybe even 3 on 3 I'd probably still take Embiid to win, but it seems like the more complex the game, the better Jokic is at making decisions.
Jokic catching a DRebound then driving coast to coast and making Magic-esque flashy assist as a 7foot center is unbelievable.
As of right now, Jokic is slightly better. I believe Embiid may have a higher ceiling though.
Who is better is always "subjective". Each Nba stars have a case.
In this case, We can all agree that Jokic is the better passer/playmaker while embiid is the better defensive anchor.
So it depends on how is your criteria in determining which is better.
For ex.. Who is the GOAT
Jordan(Best Scorer/Second best defender)
Russel(11 rings)
Kareem(6 MVPS)
Lebron(Better overall Stats)
There will be no definite answer
Jokic is waay more skilled player and makes others round him better so alltough empiid is better at defense i still pick jokic over him because hes better everything else
joona Jokic is way better at defense as well. The banged-up Celtics team missing their two best players that gave Embiid a 4-1 defeat in the playoffs didn’t think much of Embiid’s “defense.” Gobert and Capela got exposed and blown off the floor by the better offensive teams as well...
Jokic is not merely the “best center in the league”: he is the greatest player of all time. If you don’t believe me then ask his teammates as they’re the ones that told me about it.
Jonh Smith good point.
@@JohnSmith-yf4il greatest player of all time to get dominated by jurkic and choke away a play off birth maybe 😂😂
Love the player vs player videos coach!
Embiid is still better for the defense alone. Joker tho is a damn great offensive player. Only reason why Jokic is underrated is cos hes european.
But he isn't underrated...If everybody says he's underrated then how is he underrated then?
sWampY the media coverae just isnt there compared to Joel who has played in only one full season
LiqCharles and in that ONE season Embiid got 111 Blocks, almost the same amount of blocks Jokic got for his whole career... (166)
Embiid also scored MORE moints in 12 less games (531 Minutes)
sWampY Embiid also can't stay healthy if his life depended on it. He is worse than Jokic at shooting. He isn't willing passer like Jokic. Jokic's offensive rating is an unfathomable 122 while Embiid's is 105. Jokic is younger than Embiid and has more potential. If he wanted to he could lead the NBA in ppg by a center.
You're talking about things that are irrelevant, like Embiid's health and Jokic's PPG stat. So if you're going on about irrelevant things, are you really qualified to participate in this conversation? Embiid is a great player and Jokic is the greatest player of all time.
The Joker all the way!
Great analysis as always. Thank you.
Jokic is better definitly
Funny thing is jokić put up 27 10 10 and Embiid went 17 12 1 with 23% shooting last game, yes the 76ers still won but that’s bc of the free throw difference. 34 free throws to 13, Butler had 13 by himself. Jokić>Embiid
Well Nikola made it to the finals and Embiid choked his way to Cancun 🎉
What i see from jokic career in the nba will be like dirk whom always been an underated and no one expected him to get a ring without any help of superstars, and will be recognized and appreciated
He's a more consistent passer than Embiid. However, Embiid has definitely improved his ballhandling (which will make him an even better passer because of reduced turnovers), is quicker, faster and stronger. I don't think Jokic can cope with him.
*Edit:* Embiid's greater prominence has nothing to do with the Sixers making the playoffs and Jokic not. It has to do with Embiid's personality and story. Embiid's game is also somewhat more highlight friendly. However, to not count Jokic as a top young center is silly. I'd still take Embiid over him (defense, strength, quickness).
highlight friendly?? But those passes!!
Dunk on Westbrick (with gratuitous staredown). Dream shake on entire Lakers post roster with celebratory shimmy shake, triple overtime blocks on Westbrick and And1 on Carmelo Anthony, clutch 3 on Knicks in christmas game? Stepback ankle breaker on Dwight Howard? Clutch blocks on Miami Heat in playoffs? Clutch 3s on Heat in playoffs? All one need do is look at the number of highlight videos out there of Joel Embiid to realize his game is far more highlight friendly than Jokic's.
I like Jokic' game and yes he does have some spectacular passes. However, how many of those moments can you name off the top of your head? Jokic has some great highlights. Embiid's game is a highlight with great storylines. No comparison when it comes to the highlight worthiness of the two.
Embiid isn't nearly as good as a passer that jokic, that's his main advantage over him, however the defense is something that we can't overlook since it's where I feel that embiid has the edge
Aldo Garcia Moreno the edge? Bruh Embiid DPOY candidate, however that is only one of the few things Embiid is better at
Embiid's supposed improved ballhandling does not move the needle when Jokic has the same ballhandling ability, plus legendary dime dropping. Jokic is already the greatest passing bigman EVER.
I'd rather have Jokic than Embid on my team better team player and contributes more.
Jokic will last longer, pass better, shoot better, do more for his teammates. Embiid will slam dunk the ball and play better defense. The answer is clear, Jokic has more longevity and position aside, is just the better player
The only question is Embiid's health...you brush aside DEFENSE like its not important...Jokic is a better ball handler & shooter, but Embiid is a very underrated passer & not a bad shooter at all...getting back to DEFENSE...it's not even comparable, if Embiid doesn't have anyone to pull him away from the basket he DOMINATES the paint, blocking & changing shots...the Sixers point differential with him on the floor is RIDICULOUS & don't give me the East vs. West argument...the Sixers beat every Western conference team except the Warriors & OKC & both games with OKC were very competitive, also before they added Belineli & Ilyasova...Jokic is very skilled, but Embiid has way more impact on the game
coach nick always coming w the fire
Yes
That smooth ad transition
Jokic is better. Look at the advances statistics; he helps his team more than Embiid does.
sld1776 I think that’s true as well. Everyone bashes advanced stats when it comes to Jokic but has nothing to say about how all the other top players in the league have good advanced stats as well. Advanced stats are just an index of all the stuff players do on the court to win and people don’t respect how unreal Jokic’s talent is.
Jokic is the greatest player of all time. If you don’t believe me, then just ask his teammates; they’re the ones that told me about it.
Embiid took his team to the third seed... what? Have you ever watched a Sixers game? When you do, tell me how they look with Amir Johnson in there compared to Embiid...
www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400975282
Oh, would you look at that? You looked fine that night!!! I wonder what it means that the Sixers can come into the Nuggets home court/stadium and get a win without their best player? What do you think that means? I sure know what it means... I know what it means when our super-talented and deep team can't beat you at full strength when you don't even have your best player!!! Be careful with the nonsense you put out because I'm not sure you're ready for this conversation.
I'm not ready!? I watched every single Sixers game last year, you chose one game where Jokic had a terrible game.. If he makes 7/14 instead of 5, they win the game. Did you watch the playoffs as well? They don't beat the Heat unless Embiid comes back in game 3 after losing on their home court in game 2. Actually watch the games buddy, instead of searching for 10 minutes trying to find 1 game they won without Embiid. Go look at the Nuggets Lakers game from December 2nd, they won by 15 without Jokic.. Boy you telling me im not ready LMAO...
Why did Jokic have an "off night"? Myself and well-educated Nuggets fans know why, so I'm wondering if you do. Yes, I watched the playoffs and I watched you lose 4-1 to a banged-up Celtics team that was missing their two best players.
So again, what do you think the disconnect is? If Jokic's teammates and colleagues are calling him the greatest player of all time, the GOAT, a future Hall-of-Famer, etc. then why is he losing regular season games to a Sixers team that's missing their best player? Why did we lose games (plus some were home games...) to the Suns, Kings, Grizzlies, Hawks, Mavs 2X, Embiid-less Sixers, Hayward-less Celtics, Kawhi-less Spurs, Durant-less Warriors, Blake-less Clippers, or a Timberwolves team with an injured Jimmy Butler for what was essentially a play-in game for the playoffs? What does that tell you about our team and what is going on with our team? I mean no offense to those teams who weren't where they wanted to be record-wise or were rebuilding, I'm just saying...
Or how about where we had to grind out TOUGH, LABORIOUS wins over depleted teams like the Grizzlies, Hawks, Bulls, Mavs, Nets, Kawhi AND Aldridge-less Spurs, Wall-less Wizards, Gobert-less Jazz, Lillard-less Blazers, out-of-form Warriors (February game), and so on? Do you want to guess? Why is there a dissonance here between what Jokic's teammates are saying about him and these losses/tough wins to and over bad and injury-depleted teams? If he is what everyone thinks he is and what his teammates say he is then what is really going on here? Why would his team lose to the teams I mentioned in the shape that they were in at the time? If he is what everyone thinks he is and what his teammates say he is then why does his team have to work so hard to grind out LABORIOUS, EXACTING wins over depleted, out-of-form, and bad teams? What is going on here? Again, do you want to guess? And by the way, we couldn't beat that Heat team on the road in March, so...
In a sea of know nothing know it all clickbait kids making NBA videos, bball breakdown is a lifeboat of intelligent and reasoned basketball discussion....thanks for the work you put in Nick...
OKAY I SHALL MENTION IT - Let’s not forget embiid has Ben Simmons feeding him the ball, which makes him look better. Jokic has nobody on the assist skill Simmons has therefore not really a fair test
Matt Simons Embiid creates his own shots.. so ur Simmons point is irrelevant
2Clutch Productions how is my point irrelevant? Obviously you are correct that embiid creates his own shots. However, you cannot deny Simmons assists means embiid will have a higher ppg. Simmons is one of the best passers in the league, which allows his teammates to get easier points. This again, improves embiid’s PPG. Easier points means more efficiency. I think you don’t understand the point of the video lol
Matt Simons ok?? All players have point guards that feed them the ball.. and Embiid averaged 20 a game on 25mpg which is around 29ppg per 36 minutes in his rookie year WITHOUT Simmons. Plus, Embiid gets fed more cuz he’s way more deadly and offensively skilled than Jokic
2Clutch Productions you’re missing the point. Jokic doesn’t have an elite point guard on his team. Jokic is the only allstar on his team. Obviously embiid is better as he has the better team.
Matt Simons I just proved to u that Embiid is the better scorer with or without simmons..
I think that jokic is the better player because embid already plays with two or three stars but jokic does not have a real star on their team.
It’s crazy how Prime Marc Gasol was a hybrid of both of these guys
NO. What? Both of these guys are tiers above Marc Gasol
eg13000 Marc could pass and shoot like Jokic, could defend and play in the post like Embiid. Marc was 1st Team all nba, DPOY, an all star and took the Grizzlies to the WCF in his prime
@@eg14000 hes right bruh. You should listen. You probably wouldnt know because they arent on tv and he isnt heralded.....gasol was a beast, and with conley back in the fold, i think they are still a playoff team.
Marlon Ndoro you right
Too bad he never got a ring
Jokic is that fun teammate, I can't tell you how fun it is as a basketball player to run on a fastbreak and not have the center look for the point guard cause the center himself has the handles and vision with passing skills to reward you for running hard down the court, its the greatest feeling to catch a pass on stride and finish without having to do more than one or no dribbles at all
Just started vid but the answer is yes! Joker 🎭 is taking us there 💎
Well you can definitely make the playoffs, you could knock off Portland, LA, or Minnesota.
Dislike Em Joker? To the Arklam Asylum
nice joke
Love how u blend the ad with the topic @ hand 😭💪🏽
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Jokic is better.
Bolji je jokic 100%
Korisniji i bolji
Your transition to your sponsors is nice af
I'd rather have Embiid and Joker over KAT. Thats for sure
Y'all forgeting that KAT missed 0 games in his career so far and has put up 20+ 11+ with amazing offense...
BTW, he's 7'0, 7'1 and has played 82 games in every single season.
@@Humble_808 Great point. Based on eye test only, not sure if he makes his team better like Joker and Jojo
Miguel Bat depends on what "makes his team better" means to you...For example, when KAT is on the court, all the attention is drawn to him since he can shoot, drive, dunk and do a lot if post-moves to get his shot, compared to Embiid's and Jokic's impact on that end.
I think it’s Jokic (Greatest Player of All Time)>KAT>Embiid. Embiid is great but is way more of a conventional player compared to the other two whose main problem is that their coaches hate them. You saw that a banged-up Celtics team missing their two best players was able to defeat Embiid in the playoffs; he doesn’t have the ceiling that Jokic or even KAT have.
John Smith LOL U ACT LIKE SIXERS CAN BEAT CELTICS WITH JOKIC,HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH
I was waiting for the seekgeek ad at the end when you said you can't wait for their matchup
Haha, only one ad per video 👍🏀
This is why I'm screaming for reseeding the playoffs 1-16 because a Nuggets vs 76ers could be a very legitimate round 1 match up we could see, instead of the same old Raptors vs Wizards bull shit that no one cares about.
Lol then there'd be only 1 East team in the 2nd round
@@shodaddydrunk Fine by me! Let the best really advance.
@@danielllll521 I'd be cool with it too, but from a business standpoint the NBA would never risk it
@@danielllll521 tho they should def remove east/west from all star selections
fuck you mean nobody cares about raps vs wizards
When someone tries to say Kristaps is an elite defender show them this 1:30
Lillard and Kyrie please
But that fight would go to Lillard, no contest, so it wouldn't be an interesting video. Kyrie is just a flashy, eccentric primadonna who can't play winning basketball.
Watching this video in 2023 off-season 😂😂
Theyre both quite equal id say.... Embiid is a better defender but Jokic is a better playmaker and perimeter shooter. Both are about equal at rebounding and post offense.
I think we can all agree that they shouldve gone no 1 and 2 in the 2014 draft over Wiggins and Jabari....
embiid impact to his teaM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JOKIC EVER DREAM
Jabari's a little underrated imo but yeah he shouldnt have been No. 2
Excellent video once again! You have some of the best content out there
Thx!!
Jokic is better on Offense but not defense but Jokic is still better overall
Wait . Huh ?
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u dumb?
embiid is way better at offense than jokic is at defense
Your right, jokic got a similar impact to the game that a Lebron, Magic, and like Steve Nash had
What a smooth ad transition
jokic is the best
I just watch for the slick ad transitions
Embiid is just a tier higher because of his defence
Nicholas Pagano Foolish statement. The defensive gap is *much* wider than the offensive gap.
You can make a statement saying Embiid is 5-10% better in the same tier maybe, but I would say their impact is equal and both are in a tier of their own. Inventing Embiid tier is just stupid sry
Nicholas Pagano EMBIID'S IMPACT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JOKIC
@Nicholas Pagano You lost all credibility when u said Jokic is "by far" the better player. That's definitely not based on stats or the eye test.
@Nicholas Pagano embiid dominated jokic this past year 😂😂
I love this conversation
Jokic outplayed him hard in both games this year
He was sick ( embiid ) and missed the first one
You're the goat for this Coach! Sending some nugget love your way
say what you will but if im a team im picking jokic over embiid every time
Very interesting video Coach!
The fact that Coach Nick ask this question signifies that Jokic is better than Embiid. We know that.
Embiid is just more prototype with the defensive abilities. The nuggets right now with Jokic are so run and gun it's crazy, but if they can get some rip protection from a 4 even if they can't shoot too well it will work well. There are so many options having Jokic's playmaking and shooting from the 5.
Now before I watch the video what type of question is that?!!!! As long as he's healthy Embiid is a top 5 player in this league.. He has so many moves in his offensive arsenal. He can post up, hit the midrange and the 3, do the eurostep and beat his man of the dribble. And beside all of that he's a GREAT DEFENDER and rim protecter.. You people became so obsessed with Stat sheet stuffer so called all-around players... Jokic is a great player don't get me wrong but we are talking about Embiid here!!!
Dr. MuRDeR that’s exactly how I feel, jokic might have numbers but if u watch both players you can clearly tell who’s the better player
I'd take Joki any day over Embiid. He's a better building block and much more reliable.
Alex Schuman you're probably not winning any titles then
@@Reqzy10 how many titles does Embiid have?
Alex Schuman you say that now but his body looks like it's going to really break down early
@@anredickerson1535 Are you serious? Embiid literally didn't play a single game in his rookie season and you're worried about Jokic breaking down? LOL ok.
Alex Schuman I'm not worried about anything. and so he's hurt early in his career; hes young he can recover very well. the other guy not going to be able to hold up either if he doesn't improve his body.
Yes.
Man, I wish Jokic would come to the Sixers, and I'm not even a Sixers fan. Maybe when he's tired of losing, the Sixers could offer the Nuggets Saric, Fultz, and some first round picks and talent for Jokic. That would be fudging amazing to watch Embiid and Jokic play together. It think it's weird to compare them since they're so different. But I'm not convinced. In my eyes Embiid is better, mostly due to his superior defense. If offenses went at Embiid like they go at Jokic, he'd be averaging twice as many blocks. But teams gameplan around him. Jokic has that effect on offense, but not on defense. And I also think you're underestimating Embiid physical strength offensively. This is another edge he has over Jokic. His strength is really imposing. And I don't think there's anyone currently in the NBA who's stronger.
And then you add Embiids injury problem, and all the praise he gets falls to the water, Embiid reminds me of a Blake Griffin a lot
I dunno....Saric, yeah...but Fultz is gonna have a breakout season this year....trust the process
Fultz will need to have a breakout session to entice the Nuggets to trade Jokic. And I know Embiid has injury concerns but so does every center. He'll be fine if he has good trainers.
That transition was nice as a Jokic no look.
Bruh I'm from Serbia just likr Jokic and even I can tell you Embiid is better