FMF calls for ‘No-alition’ government in SA | David Ansara
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- Опубликовано: 4 июн 2024
- The FMF calls on South African political parties to embrace a 'no-alition' confidence-and-supply approach over forming coalition governments. With no clear majority winner in the recent election, FMF advocates for respecting voters' choice by avoiding artificial majoritarian regimes.
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The FMF do an absolutely remarkable job of thinking out of the box. Any coalition certainly does not truly reflect the will of the citizens of this country
Nothing to do with the FMF...
It's plain common logic ....
Remember "Floor-crossing"?
Tax payers should have the option to withhold payment and make alternate arrangement if service delivery fail
This will be game changing
I love it. Definitely the fairest, non-aggressive and sensible alternative. I love the idea of politicians having to convince others of the viability of their proposals.
ACTUALLY MAKES A LOT OF SENSE
I like this proposal.
That makes so much more sense and truly closer to a democratic rule
I like that very very much. Sounds like a natural law idea? Works for me for sure
I hope a David Ansara-led team are being consulted by the political parties in their negotiations.
Agreed. The most sensible and practical solution. Avoids all the angst about which parties are suitable coalition partners and which are not.
Always trust David Ansara and the FMF to see through the haze and come up with something different by not just following traditional thinking. If we had people like this running government, SA would be pushing ahead instead of being in a death spiral.
Absolutely agree!
Thank you very much. I was hoping someone would say that.
Love that idea 💡
AMEN AND AMEN...TOO MUCH POWER CORRUPTS...GOD BLESS SA.💙🙏
Keep god out of politics dom doos !!!!
If your Domkop DA jump in bed with the ANC that will mean YOU now support Palistine and Hamas....NOT Israel !!!!
Good idea, I hope they are listening!
Very good idea.
you've convinced me!
The voice of sanity!
This is by far the best option for our country at the moment. It makes good sense because radicalism will be kept at bay and the lack of sevices to the populous of the past shall be addressed immediately. Put party politics asside, reject radicalism and get the weels of democtacy rolling fast - the voters are longing for it and they are waiting. A radical coalition cannot deliver, no matter how you look at it. show me a country where it has worked - not for the pockets of the dictators but for the voters.
Veers strongly towards what the federal party proposed in the early '90s which is still the best alternative in any case.
I was part of this party. The problem was that the majority of the people didn't understand the concept of a federation of states (provinces).
That sounds like such a dream, is that even possible?
I was under the impression that our constitution requires a 50%+1 majority to select a President?
I have my doubts too. I have asked David to throw some light on constitutional implications.
Remarkable advise 👌
That makes so much sense!
What most people have to remember, is why the ANC split up in the first place. So, this would definitely be the better alternative. The only concern is around accountability, and clean governance: how will this be enforced?
This sounds a great idea please put this to all political parties starting with the most level headed
Each province independent
That also sounds like a good idea. Each province has it's own political and economic system that best suits the residents in each province.
That's federalism in a nutshell. The ANC despises federalism because they know it will make their stranglehold on power (i.e. patronage schemes for connected cadres) very difficult to maintain. While I agree that federalism is exactly what SA needs right now, the stubborn and arrogant ANC is still a very large obstacle that must be chipped away piecemeal. At a local and municipal level this trend is already underway - we just need to keep at it.
Facebook wil like your Bullshit !!!!
@@oodlesofnoodles4660Kak praat nie !!!
Why are your Domkop DA now prepared to jump in bed with the ANC ????
Now you want to divide this country?
Politics is not for the people, it's self interest period.
Sounds like a winner!!
I couldn't agree more with David and the FMF, this would definitely be the ideal outcome!
Excellent idea
Good point
Perfect way to go I say. Well said. Good.
Very good idea
In terms of the budget, why should it automatically be accepted considering the fact that we aim to prevent authoritarian decision making without consulting other parties?
Also why are we accepting Cyril as president considering the Phala Phala scandal?
Sounds like the best option at this point.
If you follow the news...you would know it's beeing said by many straight after the election....
I believe in the FMF - So then go and explain this to the political parties! Go! Please! Do what ever you need to do to save SA! Thank you. Much appreciated. God bless.
Totally agree!!
Also by not forming a coalition with the ANC allows the DA to survive and flourish when the ANC's demise happens over the next 5yrs
I think this is the best case scenario.
Beats an unstable coalition any day.
I agree 100%
Thank you, David, for these wise words. Let the politicians know this. The people do not want the ANC nor the EFF nor the MP to rule where they were not voted into power.
Good idea!
I would like to know if it can be as simple as that in practice.
I agree!
I prefer this option as well. The outcome might though be that bills / policies swing widely to the left (eg expropriation) or "right" (eg no BEE) depending which side ANC chooses on that issue. But maybe this is a good way for public to see impact of left / right policies.
Absolutely right 👍
Best idea. In addition could parliament or another body host a national dialogue on economic growth and development to build consensus on key challenges such as land and property rights, housing, building a capable state, energy, infrastructure, health care.
Baie baie goeie idee. Hoop dit word so uitgevoer.
Absolutely David.. Noalition
Agreed.
Interesting solution to a sticky problem.
We don't need coalitions we need a direct democracy. OHM
Totally agree.
Agree
What I don't get regarding the DA going into Coalition with the ANC, is the DA are ALREADY in the MPC, would it not be safer and better for the entire MPC to go into coalition with the ANC if a Coalition deal was chosen.
I totally agree, because what ever coalition they choose is not going to work, there too many variables, I hope they make this sensible choice.
I'm for it but the masses in SA do not have the understanding necessary to see the merits of this never mind put it into action.
I agree...the Masses are looking at a Brick Wall 😮
I agree...the Masses are looking at a Brick Wall 😮
I agree we (including myself) we dont have the understanding of the merits and after BIZ new interview with Rob Hersov advocating cutting KZN loose from South Africa I am suspicious of any suggestions/ Thanks An average middle class one of the masses people
Politicians must go. Agree for the first time with your view. Must be implanted idea as it’s quite rational
Kick Ramaphosa out. Let ANC, mk, eff form a coalition. Within a week the rest of the country and the rand will collapse. Once load shedding is back, we start again
No, wolves will be upon us before we can start over.
People did not vote for the markets, that they have no stake in, if it falls so be it, let the needs of people be respected, its a democracy is it not?
Sensible
Just because the ANC has been winning majorities in all of elections post-94 except this recent one, suddenly democracy, will of the people is becoming unacceptable, unless of course if the DA, the VF, etc., gets 50+.
Why is this not talked about more?
Hopefully there is a way of fixing the legislation that has failed us.
Thank you 😂😂
Completely agree...but out of the box thinking is not the African way
I agree
That would upset the anti free market thinkers
Confidence and supply has nothing to do with decentralization. Those are two very different concepts. One is an arrangement between parties in a parliament.The other is a transfer of power of a higher parliament to smaller bodies like provincial or municipal ones.
This latest election opened some people's eyes to the folly and futility of our political party system.
Of course there are ALWAYS better ways of doing things.
In our case the next step should be to scrap this silly political party system.
I agree ....no coalition
I believe the entire country will support the idea of government proposed
No party campaigned tp protect the interests of the markets (Mhhh DA?) and the majority share simmilar policies and constituence. I know it seems like a lost for DA, lets just be happy democracy is winning in South Africa
Could you please elaborate on this principle. I would like to know more.
Can that be possible if it can save us from DA s unt workers rights
The only solution is a system where there are no political parties at all like the system OHM is proposing.
C&S arrangement makes perfect sense. There just needs to be enough market friendly policy changes to make supporting a minority ANC government worthwhile. And a radical overhaul of the proposed NHI into something that can actually work for the average South African.
Politici maak ongelukkig besluite tot hulle voordeel, nie tot voordeel van die stemmers nie.
In another country maybe
Oh no! Another special word…. But I agree. It is the best way forward if you are not a thief afraid of being caught, a conman looking forward to raiding the cookie jar at the expense of everyone else, or just plain stupid.
You don't think this will result in endless parliamentary stale mates and delayed decision-making?
What decision making
@@cherylvandermeulen6897 like voting on amendments to legislation, government policy, etc. The type of things the ANC could achieve easily without resistence.
@@happytape307it would stop them from pushing their own agendas through unchallenged
@@mtgigi that's more what I was thinking too. It could grind progress to a halt as each party has different views and without an outright majority could leave decisions hanging. Interesting times indeed
Will never happen with those power hungry corrupted people
What would be the checks and balances on corruption if the excecutive power still vests with one party while parlarmentery power would be closer to a
Coalition
MR ANSARA PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE SEND THIS TO THE EMAILS OF CYRIL, GWEDE, TONY, HELEN, JULIUS, ETC ETC.
And wat would we do in kwazuma natal dude????
Im not certain sbout this idea as it seems it could give anti-constitutionalists a platform.
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Direct elections
Agree 💯 , I urged David to interview Lauren Evanthia from the ORGANIC HUMANITY MOVEMENT. She has orchestrated a strategy back in 2017. I just wish this community will hear her out. 🙏🙏🙏
We see it in Israel it might work Africans blacks and white we must learn to trust each other because all of us we are africans
Since when
@@katlegoditshego by the end of the day we must learn to coexist because we need each other in one way or another directly or indirectly
Problem is white people always want black to be under them and I hate that. They hate everything about blacks. Which one of the parties do they like? ANC EFF MK. I can see their potential but I hate the fact that they underestimate the sons of this soil. Ramaphosa is not AFRICAN NATIONAL CONGRESS or the only person who can become president. But still they refuse. Because they know if they form coalition with them they will make sure he is arrested along with others so they can rule. So they are forcing themselves on us.
Best way to at least achieve stable government, given the circumstances.
It's a pity all the non-voters who didn't vote because they're sick of the ANC didn't vote for some opposition party; so here we are. I think we might be heading in the direction of Vladolf Putler's "depoliticized blob" state (for which see Vlad Vexler's channel). Looks like that turns out worse than politics driven by believing in things or pretending to believe in whatever seems to have good vote catching potential.
It would be far better than having the ANCEFFMK officially, publicly join hands in a co-alition.
May almighty bless us with that.🙏🙏🙏 No DA😭😭😭
@@katlegoditshego Why?
I think it’s good said than done,why do Bussiness so often get so pessimistic about African black leaders. It’s all about profit rather than growing the nation into one system that can sustain it self.equality will rid the system of corruption,crime and injustice.let our arms of democracy work for both the so called poor and the rich.our legislative system,executive and judicial be of societal value than sectorial.
Why make it racial? South Africa has been run by a black leader for 30 years and big business was happy to invest. The problem big business have is not with black skin, but shitty ideological communist concepts that is detrimental to ALL of society. And before you make my statement a racial thing, communism is not only tied to one race.
Who controls the ministry portfolio's in such an arrangement?
The ANC. What he is suggesting is that ANC gets positions of president, deputy president and all ministries. The DA should then get speaker of parly, deputy speaker, and all the parly committee chair positions (that in theory should hold the cabinet ministers to account but in reality is very toothless to do anything of consequence if a minister fails to perform).
Thanks. That’s not sounding attractive at all. People want to see real change in the country and didn’t vote for the other parties only for them to be glorified watchdogs.
@@DinoCarletti my exact sentiments!
David, does this not 'violate' the Constitution? I didn't think the current statues 'allow' minority governance. Kindly explain constitutional implications.
The constitution does allow it. What he is suggesting is that the DA will vote alongside the ANC as if they are in formal coalition, but that vote is only guaranteed for the minimum functioning of parliament. I.e. the vote includes to elect speaker, deputy speaker, president, deputy president and the budget vote. Every other bill or decision taken by parliament will then be open for debate and contestation as each party sees fit. In that way, it will be constitutional.
@@lodeleaf6401 I get it. However, I thought the RSA constitution makes it mandatory for 'someone' to form a government with 'majority' party support. How does David's suggestion even end up with a national president? Forgive my ignorance. I have been fed on a FPTP winner-take-all diet in Zim since 1980. I have no clue how you guys even end up with councils!!!
@@comalisothinktanking4412 Nope, there is no law that says there must be majority support to form a government. In order to elect key positions in the government, all the MPs in government need to vote for those positions (if more than two candidates, then "knock out rounds" are used until only two remain). The candidate who receives 50% plus 1 of the MP votes, win. Some of those key positions are speaker, deputy speaker, president, and deputy. Once the president is appointed, he alone appoints the cabinet ministers. In order to pass laws, all the MPs also vote, if the vote gets 50% plus 1, it can be passed (and then some other processes takes place), and then the law can be passed. So what matters is not the majority votes of the people of SA, what matters is the majority votes of the elected members of parliament. That's why SA is called a "representational democracy"... because the people elect leaders who in theory represent them in parliament.
Hi David, I urge you to interview Lauren Evanthia (The leader of The Organic Humanity Movement or OHM) - not to sway opinion but rather listen to The Plan that she formulated to overcome, amongst others, the current coalition issues plaguing SA. Every SA citizen strives for it but no one knows how. PLEASE🙏🙏
Yes please.
Jackals and wolves will have their work cut out to figure out new ways to plunder funds.. 😂
who are the jackals and the wovles - as a middle class white person it is easy to point at the MK and EFF - I am starting to not be sure about elite white businessmen who push their own agenda...Namely Rob Hersov - and the question is who else is he in cahoots with
I believe you are one of them. NO DA . No more no blacks towns in our country. Those who hate blacks must go back to Europe where there are no wolves.
Coalitions don't work....
Hi in my ignorance how does no-alition affect the individual provinces. I am very unsetlled wtih the Rob Hersov recent interview with Biz News where he advocates cutting KZN loose. Does decentralisation of the government basically throw KZN to the wolves? (not sure who the wolves are at the moment. Seemingly MK and EFF but with the Rob Hersov interview it seems nobody to be trusted?) thanks
In this proposal for a no-alition, the MK will probably have to figure out a way to obtain majority in KZN, through bribing some ANC members to vote with them and formal coalition with EFF or IFP (the numbers don't add up otherwise). Another option for KZN would be a no-alition between ANC, IFP, DA and NFP (where IFP said they want to position of premier). The situation in KZN is quite messy, even more messy than the situation nationally. That's part of why I don't like the no-alition plan. I think a formal coalition is needed to stabilise kzn (not cutting it loose as per Herzov's suggestion, instead roping in the zulu monarchy and IFP leadership for social cohesion, along with DA competencies and ANC support for extra police and army deployments if needed). I don't like Herzov's suggestion because only 2 million people voted for MKP but there are 10 million people in KZN. Durban could be a major source of tourism employment... it could be the Miami of Africa, given the correct leadership. Plus the Durban and Richardsbay ports are essential for imports and exports for the rest of the country. If KZN is controlled by MK, living conditions will only get worse and that will stoke even more militaristic Zulu spring tendencies, and what then? Will the newly formed Zulu army march on the rest of the country? Rather take charge of the situation now, by improving people's lives, strong leadership and social cohesion efforts, before its too late.
@@lodeleaf6401 thank you for this. I really appreciate it
@@cherylmarsh7326 no problem 😊
The funniest part is that this Free Market doesn't appear in the ballot and yet they have loud mouth to tell us what is good for us
What according to you, is good for you
@@nomadicleopard We voted for political parties not markets.What is good for us is enshrined in the manifestos of those political parties
@@patmdoda9567 if you go to the history books, you will see communism will not be good for you. If you want a communist regime, why dont you go to Venezuela or Cuba?
@@patmdoda9567 healthy markets = more jobs = more money = more education = better careers.
It's a think tank. Think tanks make policy proposals. You don't have to appear in the ballot to contribte to democracy.
Africa wake up africa for africans
We are all Africans, born and bred
Living in the past???
EFF ANC MK WILL COALITIONS DON'T BOTHER YOURSELF BECAUSE YOU SCARED OF BLACK PROSPERITY
Cant we just once and for all come together. It's the only way otherwise we will always be divided. I think DA and ANC coalition is the only way to move forward in S.A. Maybe then the people will see we can work together and rebuild together. We exist together therefor we must work together. It's a no brainer to me.
DA was voted by white people abroad and got 65% there. You can go there and enjoy. We are Africans and tired of no blacks boards in our country.