WARHAMMER LORE Controversy : Female Custodes
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- Опубликовано: 21 апр 2024
- Warhammer fans are upset due to a lore change that seems to originate from insincere reasons. #warhammer40k #henrycavill
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Its the gaslighting that's so insulting. Like they really think we just go with a retcon like that for the sake of progression.
Warhammer is unlike any other IP. There is no such thing as a retcon, just the unreliable narrator. If you weren't such a tourist you'd know that. Necrons, Cadia, primaris marines - those are all "retcons" but no one's getting red in the face about that.
Insulting how?
@@madcapmiguel5071 Because it doesnt actually go against the lore and we have confirmed that Amazon implored them to make the decision, not GW
@@madcapmiguel5071 Because they are more a further explaination than anything else, same as crorks and orks and many other things. What you can't say is out of the 10k custodes that there actually are no one in millenia, not the inquisition, not the administorum, not the space marines, not the primarchs, not the ecclesiarchy...absolutely no one noticed some of them were female. Specially considering far as I know most of them wander around naked.
Plus, pretty sure it was well established A. out of about 100k females who undergo the surgeries to become a space marine at most 1 would survive and still, the result wasn't great, so it was a waste of resources. From what I recall the Imperium did try and there were records of it. B. the custodes aren't made like spacemarines, they are essentially test tube babies handmade by the emperor.
By your logic there could be men in the sisters of silence or the adeptas sororitas, right? Who knows? lol
@@madcapmiguel5071 because those retcons organically progressed the stories, unlike this which was only done because of woke DEI bs
*Reality:* "Sister denotes female and brother denotes male."
*My sociology professor:* _"Nuh-uh"_ ☝️☝️🏳️🌈
Yes, professor, sit right here in this bucket. Now, grab that catapult release handle. Oh, no, it's fine, the handle identifies itself as a commie-uplift device. Go ahead and give it a good pull, please.
your professor is a commie and a shit bag then.
Your professor is correct. English is just like this. For instance MANkind. Various social groups are called Brotherhood to indicate universal membership. Did you know that the BOY scouts now include girls.
Intersectionality: Brother denotes black.
😂😂
Alteori you are absolutely correct that the Sisters of Silence is the "sister" faction of the Custodes. And it actually really boils my blood that instead of making great new lore for the sisters, they have to change the male part of the faction.
Absolutely correct! The sad fact the matter. That Amazon has no idea of the lore. Honestly if they wanted a powerful women. Could of had a sister of silence, use her psyker powers to communicate through her mind. PROBLEM SOLVED for having the female being silent, which the Fems at Amazon didnt like. Psykers in the books talk through their minds all the time.
Not as though it would be hard to do, either, or that it wouldn't make money, especially if they bothered producing aesthetically pleasing art and models, and actually made characters out of the subjects of the lore, rather than arbitrarily ticked boxes for the ever-elusive "modern audience".
Just like with the Boy Scouts
I kinda wonder if this is what we get when studios don't pay their writers; no one is left to write new characters competently. Some exec says "we'll gender swap an existing character for representation, no one will notice", and here we are.
@@zozihn8047 Modern "writers" are all too happy to do the same damn thing personally, thanks in no small part to not having talent enough to create original characters, stories and worlds interesting enough for their sh-y activism.
The gaslighting is the worst part. "If you don't like that we retconned the story and went against the lore/history of the world in order to score diversity points, you must HATE WOMEN!"
Nope, I would be just as mad if DC comics announced that "There have always been male Amazons on Themyscira."
Hate or not, you certainly dont care about us
It's like having created male amazon characters suddenly (who can freely walk in their homeland and call themselves Amazon and with the same level and respect to the females) and tell the fans there were always male amazons, without any valid lore explanation. (Considering how regular Amazonian hate or apathetic to men)
Bingo! They tried in 2022 comics from what I looked up 😂 Imagine THAT, nobody cared about it. You don't hear men complaining about it because we agree. Thank you 👍
There are male amazons, they were just thrown into the sea until a god saved them, so there is actually some lore on this unlike other stuff, where they got placed into the lore for no reason but the male amazons had a reason
I know that lore. But they are not accepted and can openly walk in their homeland calling themselves Amazons. Afaik they're existence where hidden. Now that storyline is a good explanation, it is different from a male amazonian suddenly walk normally with other females.
I'll rephrase my original statement to be less confusing. But generally I'm just trying to make a metaphor with what they are doing to warhammer now.
there were male amazons. think before you speak.
please check the word "suddenly" and the one in the parenthesis, read before you speak
the idea I had was mirroring what they are doing if it was for all female faction
When you relies "representation" is just a code word for "replacement" you understand why they want Female Space marine's and not an update to the Adepta Sororitas or Sisters of Silence.
Replacement would be nice but unfortunately people like yourself keep having kids
It's worse than that. Why would a person who claims the Space Marines are blatantly 'Space Nazis' demand you 'represent' them among the 'Space Nazis'? That person is not sincere in their demands or interest.
Yup. Thats because they dont want their space or their own faction; they want YOURS.
Could have just made a box set that features Soronitas vs Chaos or something with the Soronitas being put in kickass poses. But no, that's not what they want.
@@thorveim1174 Truth. They're parasites that would rather rule over the ashes if they can't have it.
I think the most frustrating aspect of this is that I'm 100% sure fans would love to see more of the Sisters of Silence and Battle Sisters. Like, c'mon, they're already badass, they just need to add more to their lore and literally nobody would have an issue with that.
GW and Amazon: "No, we need the female protagonist to be able to talk back to Cavill. We also don't want her related to religion. So female Custodes it is, and since we're on it, they don't really think the Emperor is a God."
@shadow20262 Custodes canonically know the Emperor isn't a god and was an adament Atheist
This is well-established lore
FAKE FAN
100%
NO they arent. Theyre just iseless normal human
Honestly when I was playing 40k if the SoB had been more readily accessible(more plastic options) I would totally have played them. They are such a cool faction.
Oh my gosh, that metaphor of "your parents forcing you to let your younger sibling play your game" is so spot on.
I'm going to start using that as a way to condescend to people who come into a fanbase with the intent to dilute it, especially when they have the "owner's" permission. "Okay little sister, just know that even if mom says you're part of this, you're not. Now go play pretend"
Exactly that! NO, the sister isn't part of the group. Even if she is physically there, nobody in the original group accepts her there. Same with these people, nobody wants anything to do with them if they can help it.
It is the same as if the teacher would force the outsider into an established clique, so they are not alone and everybody gets along. Won't end well, one way or another. That kid isn't in their friend group for a reason.
You either get organically absorbed into the group or your time will be miserable there. On the other hand, what do the culprits for this travesty care? Getting along with the community was never on their minds in the first place...
Almost no one comes into a fanbase with the intent to dilute it. Who has the time for that?
@@calebh373 Enough people to make it a problem apparently, or we wouldn't be here.
Yes, almost nobody has the time for that but those that do are very, veeeery loud and it's kind of a hobby for them.
Or a holy crusade, depending on the particular person.
Indeed, it summed up all the Problems that Gaming, Comics and Cartoons have these Days
What do this people even get from diluting the fan base???
"first time?".. every other franchise that got 'modernized'.
*star wars on the other side of the room looking bloody and bruised* "I hope you're die hard fans stay with you"
@@visualbliss9993 Imagine spending billions of dollars on what was formerly one of the biggest and most well known franchise in the world then failing to make a profit on it. Worse even, it is now actively worth less then what Disney originally paid for it.
It takes talent to make a billion dollar franchise into a million dollar franchise.
I think we held out rather well. This is just the beginning though. I expect it'll get much worse before the end. Within the same week of this announcement, "They" are already pushing for the Emperor of Mankind to be gender-fluid.
@mrbigglezworth42 George Lucas -- Hold my beer. Seriously Lucasart was sold to Disney for 1 billion dollars. That not making money for Disney is BS. Hollywood accounting and gaslighting from Disney Execs who want to cover up their faiure with Disney+ (cough Iger)
This isn't the first time for 40k. Its been a subtle but pernicious struggle for years.
"We gain 1k female customer by pissing off 100% of our client base. We consider this a total win." - DEI Consultants
They don't even gain female customers by doing this sht. The women who already liked it were already playing. The women who weren't interested before aren't because of the game itself not appealing to them, not diversity issues.
That's why these moves make no logical sense. They gain nothing, not even a measly 1k.
They don't gain *any* customers, aka consumers. Their goal is to get Blackrock ESG funding, not money through sales.
Every "female" I've seen on tournament streaming channels has xy chromosomes
I’d be surprised if they get more than a hundred.
I'm convinced that DEI consultants try to convince companies that taking a massive loss in the name of "investing in social progress" is worthy enough to tank their bottom line. I am so tired of this mind parasite.
That non-sense about needing powerful women in power armor in the amazon rumors...
Miracle making Sisters of Battle, want more power? Inquisitors and Rogue Traders, above the laws with absolute authority, or founders of entire Sectors of worlds.
Nah, we want literal Demi-Gods, cause girl bosses.
The fact that the Custodes and Astartes are the only fraternal orders in the game is enough reason for them to want to ruin them, tbh. Cultists gonna cult.
How about someone who ISN'T a useless nirmal human?
@thenecrophymm6591 guys get transhuman badasses like space marines and custodes which until this happened, had NO female equivalent. Women were STUCK as useless normal humans, unable to compete AT ALL. You call me a servitor, but which of us is taking a 4chan post as gospel, huh?
Thanks so much for the shout-out!
difference between "warhammer" and " star trek" is the lore.
if lore doesn't matter , then nothing matters.
And to the people running the show for these IPs, it doesn't matter. It's a means to and end to them. A product to be sold, to be exploited for prestige and power.
To the fans and hobbyists, *what* it is, is important.
The the owners, *how* it is, is important.
And right now, we're not their customer base anymore. Their customer base is now the vaunted bastions of finance such as Blaille Gifford, Vanguard, Blackrock, and Amazon. We no longer matter, because they're big time now.
+Laughs in 3D printer+
Alas, Star Trek died in 2017. The lore is already unsalvageable sludge.
It's like they forgot about the nuns with guns aka the Adepta Sororitas
They never forgot about them or the SoS. It's part of the plan; to undermine and ultimately eliminate male-only factions and male-dominated spaces by making additions whose entire purpose is to turn them into multi-gender, all for the sake of DEI and ESG money. GW always wanted to do this, mind you, and is starting with the Custodians.
They don't care, this is about control and subversion.
or the sisters of silence who worked alongside the custodes but has basically been ignored by GW
or that women were in every faction except the custodes, astartes, and chaos astartes who are all men as well as the orks and tyrannids who are sexless
And the sisters of silence, the castodes female equal who are all, ALL blanks, meaning psykers can't effect them and demons are heavily effected
@@shadowdevil126 Don't forget the Callidus Assassins, 90% female.
Game design student here.
Your comment about games only working because they are an escape is spot on.
Please, keep up the good work. Take care, thank you.
Leave it to Alteori to always be Pro-Oversexualiztation and Anti-Nuance. Strawman's everyone who has ever said anything
and presumably hates Josh Strive Haye's video on 'Game Design: Lust'
@@loturzelrestaurant on the contrary, I don’t really see that in this video. Did you reply to the wrong comment?
@@loturzelrestaurant I bet you thought the bear sex in Baldur's Gate was great.
As someone who's played 40K and followed the lore since 2nd edition, I could tell Games Workshop didn't care about the lore of their game when they introduced the Primaris Marines, which were a huge break in the already established lore.
Someone you should look into is a RUclipsr named Arch, who's been warning about things going in this direction for years now, and now that it's happening, he's suddenly getting a lot of attention for how GW and progressive 'fan sites' have been treating him for speaking out.
fully agree
Good old Arch. He's so on point that GW's contracts allegedly forbid you from even acknowledging he exists. What a badge of fucking honour that would be if it's true!
What pathetic game workshop did was basically like JK Rowling calling Dumbledore has always been gay or Hermione has always been black. Oh wait a sec...
I never get how people get so pressed over the Dumbledore was always gay part.
Not once was his sexuality even discussed in the original Books. So her saying he's always been Gay is literally not a big deal, she didn't even contradict anything with that.
Hermione being black however...
@@CedricBassman She bowed down to the gay agenda and therefore deserves all the hatred she's getting now from those exact same people.
What's the problem with Dumbledore being gay? JK Rowling can do whatever she wants with her stories and characters. The fans have no ownership of it.
@@VindensSaga because we all know it's BS, stem from a reactionary event of social media. Yes, JK Rowling is the author/creator of these characers, but that doesn't negate the fact she might as well as sabotaged her own creations when she just babbled it out of nowhere on interview. We have plenty of that already right now with the emergence of social media & woke PC culture, both from the creators & the "owners." Imagine if Tolkien announce on twitter that Sam & Frodo are a communists or some other wild things. Do you think such action is intellectually & professionally make sense?
I sincerely doubt that Dumbledore was originally designed to be gay and Rowling just wanted to push tolerance by making use of one of her beloved characters...be that as it may, it wasn't that big a deal back then, because it wasn't that common.
Now they are trying to shove that stuff into everything that is popular, and speaking for myself, I'm utterly sick of it.
If a retcon breaks the lore than it’s a trash retcon!
It seems like it's just a tradition... They're just doing their science-magic to females now.
Call it cringe and stupid, but it's not a violation of Universe rules, just tradition.
Seems like one of the least destructive retcons we've seen.
That's why I ignore the whole Jeff astarties lore and primaris they are way more jaring to the lore that came before them but 40k is full of bad retcons and massive lore changes or least it has been since 2nd ed can't say for 1st when they sold female spacemarines before they retconned what spacemarines are
@@markvernon5672 By the Emperor, don't even get me started with Erda and Perpetuals...
We don’t need to increase anything in our hobby as the lore is the lore and anything else is heresy
Gate closed
"You silly, there's always been shlongs in the Sisters of Silence."
Trans sisters will *probably* not be a thing until they have ruined the Astartes, but they *will* do it if not stopped.
Old Guard 40k, I've been playing since the 90's first army was Sisters of Battle, I have sunk thousands of dollars into my plastic crack addiction.
It's not so much the sudden inclusion of Female Custodes that is bothering hte old guard, or even the retcon. It's the Gasslighting and rewriting of old codexes, old lore books, and the fact that even MENTIONING the old lore of Custodes get's you banned off of hte Official GW (games workshop) sites and forums. This isn't a retcon, this is a purge.
If it was just a retcon the fans wouldn't be as angry. We are pissed because they are becoming VERY militant in telling us it has ALWAYS been this way, that they are the true fans, and that we are just grifters. That's what has the fans in a tissy. This whole PR thing has been handled horribly. I would be annoyed when they switched the Space Marines to female, but all of us fans knew it was coming one day, because we have seen the decline of the Old Guard as they try to replace us with the "new and improved" clientele and purge us from their spaces. GW haasa been at war with the Old Guard players since the 2010's. This was just the straw that broke many of our backs.
I don't mind you covering this at all, in fact I welcome it. But it's much much bigger then just "oh the Custodes are female now" It's become: "They always have been you bigot fake fan" and that's why many a fan (maale, female, white, brown, black, gay, and straight) have started noticing, GW does NOT care for us, in fact they openly hate us.
Just look at the current Battletech owners with Catalyst Games Lab. They got subverted slowly but surely that now they're making open statements about LGBT nonsense and the moment anyone tries to bring it back to the giant robots and the fictional setting they get kicked from what were the 2 big areas people talked about Battletech online, that being the discord server and the /r Battletech.
This isn't natural at all, this is a takeover by people who hate the setting and want it destroyed if it can't be theirs.
How is that gaslighting? They made a very minor change. In universe it's not a change.
@@nevetstrevel4711 The gaslighting is GW saying that they're always were female custodes, then banning anyone who says or shows otherwise.
@@nevetstrevel4711 Yeah, sure Big E is now blatantly no different from Fabius Bile for creating both male and female transhumans. Yeah, I guess you can really say a whole new race of mutant-humans is definitely a minor change.
Geez. I guess I can see why the Knights left Terra behind long ago.
as an old guard, I agree. I would have much preferred just new models or a new founding of space marine chapters. which would make more sense.
They probably didn't even know the Sisterhood was a thing.
They just saw the word "Brotherhood" and got triggered l0l
Lets be real here, all these DEI bullshitters are to lazy to pull out their phones( unless they want to tweet from their expensive IPHONES about capitalism) and do a .0000000000000001 second google search for anything.
Probably
Leave it to Alteori to always be Pro-Oversexualiztation and Anti-Nuance. Strawman's everyone who has ever said anything against skimpy Outifts and presumably hates Josh Strive Haye's video on 'Game Design: Lust'
Amazon hated the sisters of battle for being too religious
And the sisters of silent since they don't speak (given that it's in the name) but they use sign language and I would have thought that would have been a major win but as the say they're "abilist" as the idiots would say
@@loturzelrestaurant guys, i found the activist!
"When the series reverted to a male Doctor"
Let's remember, she appeared and called herself "an upgrade". Let's realise, then, that Tennant's appearance means the upgrade failed and was not just removed, but rolled back to quite literally an earlier version.
????? Do you… not watch Doctor Who?
@@webvixdarklove7551 since 1979. What's your problem?
@@webvixdarklove7551 you know, I've just had a look at the quality of some of your responses here. I suspect I've been watching Doctor Who longer than you've been alive. What exactly is your concern here?
The thing about retcons in 40k is that, sometimes, especially earlier on, retcons were made for the purpose of refining 40k into something more coherent. There used to be half-Eldar Space Marines because half-whatevers are a staple trope of a lot of fantasy works and 40k is just that fantasy stuff in space, so why not? But then GW decided to actually refine their concepts into something actually intended to be coherent and taken at least somewhat seriously. Retconning out Marine hybrids, introducing the Horus Heresy, introducing the C'tan, scrapping a character named "Kruellagh the Vile", or the implications that Tau sterilized their subjugated auxiliaries and made them second class citizens? Those retcons were made to _enhance_ cohesion, to make the world seem more connected. Even changing Guard to Astra Militarum, Eldar to Aeldari, and Dark Eldar to Drukhari would make some kind of sense. In Guard's case, Astra Militarum is their snoody High Gothic name, which everything in the Imperium has, while Aeldari and Drukhari would be what those alien species refer to themselves as in their own language. That is an _increase_ in lore.
Then there are other retcons. Stupid retcons. Some older, some newer. Hive Tyrants have independent individualistic personalities separate from the Hive Mind? Boo. (And how would you even _know_ this anyway?) The Necrons are just malfunctioning space Egyptians who actually killed the C'tan and all we've seen of the C'tan so far were just rogue shards? More boo. Oh, and Pariahs were just some kind of mass hallucination and never really existed? Also boo. The Grey Knights being so incorruptible in their purity that they resisted the call of the Blood God by slaughtering a convent of Sisters of Battle and bathing in their blood? That's a boo, F-, and see me after class, Mr. Ward. And the mother of all stupid retcons: Primaris Marines exist, appearing out of nowhere right in humanity's darkest hour, and they're basically just like Space Marines but literally better in every way. How convenient. These things actively take things we knew about the universe and make them not true anymore. These retcons do not clarify or add. They supplant, they replace, and they delete. They _remove_ cohesion from the universe by their very nature. It should not be complicated to explain why some retcons are good and some are not.
"I recognize that GW has made a new canon. But given that it's a stupid-ass canon, I have elected to ignore it."
I wish they gave more spotlight to Adepta Sororitas or Sisters of Silence.
everyone except the tourists did
But they wont. because its not about adding women, its about removing a faction being male only. They dont want their own faction, they want to be in YOURS
@@thorveim1174That's how that group works. The goal isn't coexistance, it's domination and destruction.
@@thorveim1174 it's not that it's because the sister of battle/silencer don't make them as much money so inorder to add diversity they have to change the popular factions (space marine, chaos marine, custodian, guard)
@@jim4194 I mean, since they went with custodes.. why not fuse the sisters of silence into the custodes and make them a single faction (which they almost already are ats they work together a lot and are both the emperor's bodyguards)? That way you get representation in the faction AND dont have to change one iota of the lore for it.
and you mention the guard, but the guard is already mixed, it just needs more female models really.
Up until now there have been two male exclusive human factions and two female exclusive factions all in power armor(Custodes/Space Marines and Sisters of Battle/Sisters of Silence respectively). But just because the male ones happen to be more popular the activist tourists want to break their exclusivity, and in the case of female custodes - it is at the detriment of one of the female factions. For all this time the Sisters of Silence, who are already an indospensible core of the Imperium that is practically second to no one, as they are equal to the Custodes, and were in basically all aspects the female Custodes. But now their already limited range is just getting even more sidelined for stupid politics.
Ikr it's so damn stupid
The Sisters of Silence suck, probably the most boring faction in the Emperioum and I blame GW for abandoning them, I don't blame people for ignoring that Garbage faction, because truly speaking even 40K fandom could give Fs about the Sisters of Silence.
Captain Marvel is second to no one and equal to the Strongest beings in the Marvel Cinematic Universe and an indisposable core figure of the Avengers and the Earth's Defence in comparison to other characters but guess what she still freaking sucks.
@@OmenLamb then that should be a hint GW should take and actually give them attention instead of shoehorning this shit
@@alikazan2330 Yeah I agree GW should've 100% gave them attention but they failed at it.
It would've be so easy to dismiss the stupid woke people by simply pointing at the Sister faction but we can't because they suck in comparison.
I don't blame these idiots for not caring about the Sister factions, I 100% blame GW and their laziness.
Except there is/are male sisters of battle for some reason.
I've always appreciated the takes you have on these kinds of situations
The speech at the end… beautiful, put everything together that I want to say about everything that’s going on in almost all of my favorite franchises. This is one reason why I follow your channel. Thank you
Imagine you order a pizza and a new chef comes and say let's make it smaller so it is easier to eat. OK
Then let's remove some cheese to make it with less fat. Ok, Then Change the crust and add some vegetables to make it healthier. Finally let's not bake it so it's more environmentally friendly.
You complain, that's not a pizza that's a sandwich. The chef says No this is the new improved and better pizza.
That's the problem the small changes stack until what you get is completely different from what you were looking for.
Great example! 💯💯💯
Started with pizza, re-imagined as a tofu salad. Salva nos Imperator.
The slippery slope
Remember when people thought the slippery slope was a fallacy? God we were so naïve in the 2010's. 😆
@@Azraiel213 people who called slippery slope a fallacy is probably the same people who says they'll never do drugs while smoking joints lmao
Or saying vaping isn't smoking
GW always ignore Sisters of silence and it is sad.
They recast the entire faction in plastic
A great Quote I have heard recently is "GAMES WORKSHOP will do absolutely *ANYTHING* just to avoid updating the Sisters of Silence."
You speak as if the Fandom doesn't ignore them.
I'm sorry but they suck in comparison, it's GWs fault nobody cares.
All about the boob armor hence them horrified. “Boob armor=male gaze” or something 😂
Because the VAST majority of the buyers simply don't care that much about the SoB...
The fact that they didn't even try to write a new book where there is some schenanigans that create female custodes is riddiculous. Maybe it's a trick of Tzeentch (or Orikan, if no one else) trying to warp time or something, to create chaos there for a greater plan. Maybe the work Belisarius Cawl did while creating the Primaris Marines, yielded some method of enhancing the Adepta Sororitas, and it's given to the Custodes, who with this new tech actually create a new branch of the Custodes, giving the Sororitas their own next step like the Astartes have the Custodes. This is simply lazy and pandering to those who don't actually consume the product. It's one thing to add or reveal something that we did not know, while still fitting into the lore. It's another to just retcon stuff to make it more palatable for someone else.
Honestly that would be far better that Tzeentch decided “I’m going to do some shit and turn a bunch of these big strong human men into women because yeah”
If the bashtards at GW weren't so fvck¡ng ret@rded, They would make a poll, for their paying customers to answer.
- but nah, GW continues to try an' see how far a setting can be twisted, defaced and shat on before a buisness will go under, as fans/customers give up on it.
Because GW is cheap and almost always takes cheap options
Custodes are covered head-to-toe in bulky gold armor
No new models required, just say "This one's a girl" and you're gucci
Bam, work done, no major manufacturing changes, no new author to pay
No. Why cant we just have this?
I imagine there's someone out there with an army of Custodes and Sisters of Silence worried that, now the company won't give any attention to the Sisters and won't make new figurines.
(Anyone knows how old and varied the Sisters models are?)
Never go full rings of power
*THIS*
*Oooof*
Drinker had a great point for the people who were like "why is it a big deal?" No why did it matter so much to you until you got what you want why did it matter so much to you who doesn't even play the game or loves the lore to change it for those who don't.
Multiple levels of betrayal, gaslighting.
3D printing time
@@aquavitae3824 Then you're more recent. "The Imperial Guard." Have always been called the Astra Militarum, the custodes, countless books that changed lore, and canon, countless lore changes to the Necrons, Votann and squats lore, necrons, and the like. This all before this "Girl drama."
@@stingingblade retcons aren't the problem, but how it is done. Primarily the gaslighting part.
@@aquavitae3824 Things like. It was always called the Astra Militarium years ago, things like the votanns being squats who were humans, you mean ratlings being written out of lore.
@@stingingblade I think the squats explanation is actually creative and sensible, but retcons like Astra Militarum "always being called" sound lazy and incredibly lame.
I definitely denounce uncreative and lazy retcons. We should push back against such instances. Out of universe gaslighting is unacceptable; they merely need to acknowledge when they're retconning.
Misters of Battle here we go!
Instead of boob armour, they get codpieces.
Henry: They did what?! Why?
Fanbase: Stupid.
They did it to mock and stomp him. Henry needs an anhk or some sh1t to protect him from these sickos: almost personal at this point
@@polluxen8515to be fair, as much I like Cavil, his career in the entertainment industry has been plagued with activism and identity politics. Now it has also taken approaches at different forms of entertainment like video games, table top games, books, tv series and other popular IPs with Warhammer 40k I could’ve seen it coming from a mile away after the announcement of the Amazon show deal.
Why are you assuming what Henry thinks? Has he said anything?
He's almost certainly gagged by his contract, @@Maxisamo1. But he does actually collect Custodes so obviously he wouldn't have been thrilled.
Malice fits better than stupidity, though there's no reason why GW couldn't be both, they are based in Nottingham after all.
Thankyou for weighing in on the subject, I enjoyed the vid as well as the research and effort put into it.
awesome as always, thanks for your good work alteori
The "retcon" was lazy, they basically just tried to gaslight the whole community by saying they always existed rather than expanding and building into it, there is also a rumor that they probably wont even release female models for the custodes instead "i think" they probably added that lore change for the amazon series
And
Instead of actually expanding on already existing already existing female factions (SoB, SoS) they just added it on a well known faction that also pays well which are the custodians, i am a sister of battle main, i field them, they are the faction that i loved and the faction which made me love and introduced me to warhammer and they just ignore us and focus on factions that sell well not to mention the highly ignored sisters of silence which were ignored for years already just cause they dont sell well or are not as famous as SM or cusotodians
Like, I could believe some of the excuses being bandied about that the Custodes were always intended to have women but due to technical limitations/business decisions in the process never made female models and never bothered to bring it up because they weren't planning any model support for that. But that excuse would also have to come with the announcement of actual plastic models that are female custodes and cite that the limitations they had in the past aren't present so they're updating the lore to an initial conception or something. You acknowledge its a retcon, and while a lot of people will rightfully side eye you about it you're at least putting money back where you're mouth is.
But they're not doing that. They're retconning it, lying that it's a retcon, banning people for posting how it's an obvious retcon and citing their official materials as proof, and they're not actually doing any model support for this change whatsoever.
A great Quote I have heard recently is "GAMES WORKSHOP will do absolutely *ANYTHING* just to avoid updating the Sisters of Silence."
@@chucklebouf5379 if they release the models first and explain long ago they want female varients of custodes and cite some of the authors was plan to write female custodians before i do not think this back lash will not happen
coz the woke people ruin and dirty the term diversity
but they have a shit dude in there social media to reply that single line of there is always fem custodes rather than to post actual lore of it to introduce them in the 40k setting
They could have just said, "ya, there is a handful of females custodes, cawl was messing around ".
I don't play the tabletop, I don't have enough money for that, but I had a look in shop (online) a while back, at both Sororitas and Astartes, and the Astartes easily have double the total number of types of models that the Sororitas have, which is sad, because being able to stand up to a demon through faith, training and power armour is more impressive than being able to stand up to a demon through augments, lifelong training and power armour. No slight to the Astartes, I love them to bits, but the Sisters are freaking awesome too.
Locusts.
After they ruin whatever property it is, they always refuse to buy and go on and ruin Another franchise.
And then the franchise will either get bought out by another studio and sat on (Battletech, Shadowrun), or limp along on life support unable to do anything meaningful because no one exists who'll put up with their shit anymore in order for them to operate on scale (Star Wars).
@@ASNS117Zero it doesn't help that the current financial system is a house of cards.
@@Rensune I honestly am starting to think these things are related. The way that these big financial firms that are super interested in media are buying up so many culturally important things versus the shaky economy I mean. Hedge your bets by just getting everything you can while you can.
@@ASNS117Zero perhaps they are.
Though they seem to be destroying everything they can.
Why would you waste Billions (or even Trillions) and then destroy it?
This is completely by design, repeating the Chinese Cultural Revolution, removing the olds…
Notice how common this shit has been happening, and your “Locust” comparison is absolutely the best description and should be spread far and wide as a way to protest and describe their intended effects
First time i listened to your content but picking up what your throwin down. Great stuff
Omfg, thank you for the pest younger sibling analogy. You finally put that feeling into words.
Honestly, as a Sisters of Silence fan this hurts the most. I love their faction and how despite everyone hates them due to their pariah gene they still do their jobs and protect the same people that hate them from daemons and rogue psykers. But unfortunately GW would rather anger the fan base then Emperor forbid update the sisters. Funny how them being forgotten is also lore accurate, despite serving directly under The Emperor most people either ignore them or kill them.
you could say even that the imperium would crumble without the sisters of silence, as without them, collecting the psykers needed on a daily basis to keep the emperor alive becomes basically impossible. And if big E dies, no more warp travel for the imperium...
The problem is that GW didn't bother to do anything with them. They Earned RECORD PROFITS in 2023 (470 million GBP)! And still despite that they didn't bother to do more with this than a single insulting Twitter Post. That is how little they care about it and THAT is the problem. Just one Twitter post that is all we get, because GW clearly does not care about anything anymore.
Yeah, I really wanted more Sisters of Silence. I have never really cared for the Custodes but now I just despise them. GWs failure to give the Sisters of Silence any relevance has caused a lot of people not to see them as equals as the Custodes and I just see that as complete failing on GWs part. Making female Custodes is just lazy.
GW hates the sister of silence because their souls smell like shit.
it's now a new joke how far they will go to ignore the Silent Sisterhood. sorry you got once again ignored...
So here's the thing, we all know where this is going to go, because it has happened before. To Star Wars, to Star Trek, and Lord of the Rings. They'll demand to be included, then gaslight and push out the original fanbase that kept the property afloat through actual passion and interest just to plant another flag down on what was formerly an apolitical entertainment medium.
The moment someone says "X was always political" that person is really saying "this is mine now, and you aren't welcome"
It’s all about collecting scalps. It’s all part of their Marxist plan of demoralization to break us down into obedience.
Thankfully us real fans have hard copies of the original vision. The rest of this new crap is nonexistent as far as I’m concerned.
Warhammer 40K was directly parodying Margaret Thatcher's UK government in its first few additions, and regularly parodies exiting/existed authoritarian governments with different factions
Why do you think people call the T'Au "Space Commies"?
Don't forget they're infiltrating Battletech and God only knows what else! Everything must be reduced to an inescapable woke slurry for the indoctrination to work.
The most hilarious thing about The Doctor being dressed down by a bunch of women, is that one of them was a man. 🤣
Thank you so for making this video sincerely from the bottom of my heart thank you😌
3 days til' the release of Stellar Blade.
You can thank me for that one
Okay?
Gonna be dope
Appreciate it! Literally, how we’re gonna fight back
@@flannellemur4818
Fight back, that should have happend 20 years ago when all this bs kicked of; but the truth is that most people who are moaning about it have condoned it for almost two decades.
Just bought my ps5 for stellar blade and rebirth, 2 games I look forward too playing immensely
If there had been female Custodes, you can be damn sure GW would have had miniatures for them. So no, there haven't always been female Custodes. Now it's time for my monthly bath in the creek out back and my neck beard needs trimming.
There are female guardsmen and they don't have models
@@melvinking4173 Well, they actually got models recently, but they have always been in the lore for a long time. The funny thing is that Custodes didn't get females with their original retcon (being a playable army) because they didn't make female models for them. Yeah, that was literally the reason. The BL writers (well, really just one guy) stated they wanted to do femstodes but GW management was stubborn.
@tempestvenator9809 yeah they got them now but those are mostly named characters I was referring to overall sculpts but yeah they already made the models and they didn't feel like changing anything which is kind of funny because they're wearing a tractors worth of metal I don't think anybody really could tell what's underneath the armor most of the time. But what kills me is when people keep talking about retcons but I'm like all of the modern lore is pretty much a retcon the last 7ish years overhauled the custodians lore before that they were kind of just background characters only mentioned sparingly. Obviously this isn't an exact number but it's a general ballpark. I also love it when non Warhammer channels hop on the bandwagon of complaining about these sorts of things. people complain about the tourists ruining things but the tourists are usually the ones complaining "tourists "
@@melvinking4173 Yeah that's what I've noticed. It's usually just the culture war nutcases hopping on the bandwagon, and if they ARE Warhammer fans supposedly, we'll only get it now instead of much earlier.
I do have issues with how Femstodes were delt with outside of the codex. But other than that, I don't mind femstodes at all. Partly because I don't mind having 9-foot-tall muscle mommies, and I've already come to terms with the idea that female Astartes COULD exist, its just that there are so many factors outside of biology are the reason why we never see any. Culture, recruitment, the fact the chapter is limited to only 1,000 dudes, the canonical information that women have a much lower rate of success than men, resource management, etc. I mean I'm already planning on using some stormcast I ordered to build fem Astartes.
But outside of female astartes, which I do have issues with just throwing in there without making some serious explanations as to why we only see them now, my biggest reason of not having an issue with Femstodes is because Custodes themselves are about as similar to their old counterparts as Leagues of Votann are to Squats. They're completely different armies that just happen to share names with their rogue trader era predecessors.
Yeah they confessed to it, @@tempestvenator9809. Doesn't make it any better! 😆
“Swallow all that length and girth” I had to go back and make sure I heard that right lmao
Excellent as usual Alteori.
this issue has never been about having women represented in the game. warhammer literally has a faction for anything you want represented, there were only the 2, which happen to be the flagship products, that were exclusively male. Also there are 2 factions completely female... want trans representation go slaanesh, the prince of pleasure is both sexes and can present as either, want to be autonomous (necrons) or sexless (orcs)
There will be female orcs and trans necrons next
@@yaqbulyakkerbat4190" I changend my necrodermis to fit my gender Identity......" "Ok steve!?"..."Shut up it is now Stevia! And I have periods now!"..... "No one of us has any kind of periods or other biological things"......"HATESPEACH!"
@@yaqbulyakkerbat4190 trans crons exist my guy
@@rajabalitaji5289 If ya say so
@@yaqbulyakkerbat4190 I'll let you in on a little secret, back in the 70's and 80"s there were female orks. Not only that, but orks weren't fungoid. Just normal male and female critters.
The author even says they don’t care about warhammer or even play. All the care about is planting the victor flag in the final hill. Female space marines think deeper if you are a new fan. This isn’t about the game or lore it is about black rock/stone changing things to their liking. You change something enough you are either the thing you came from and you aren’t what you are claiming to be. You are now something different. So many fake fans in every growing fun thing. Most people are just visitor to the lore. Most aren’t true fans they killed comics and video games
The best video I've seen on the subject so far. You've got yourself a new sub.
Thank you for understanding. 🙂
This is Warhammer’s *“The Last Jedi”* , it won’t destroy the brand at this moment, but it will open a HUGE wound, forever dividing the fans and this, in the future could very possibly lead to the failure of the brand
it's the woke Heresy.
You’re being ridiculous. Everyone’s going to forget about this in less than a year.
@@eatinganemone89Meaning you've never been in this situation and have no clue what you're talking about. Long time fans have some lines you do not cross.
@@palladiamorsdeus No, because this is literally the most minuscule and inconsequential change to the lore that they have ever made. GW have made far more drastic changes to the setting in the past, and this one is the most insignificant. Sounds like you’re the one who has no idea what they’re talking about.
@@palladiamorsdeus Oh my fucking god, touch some fucking grass.
People who do not care about warhammer want to change it to be more acceptable for people who will never care about warhammer
I care about warhammer and i like the change
I was literally thinking that this is the year I finally buy some tabletop miniatures, but then this happened. I guess I'll wait until this blows over. Love your Godzilla series Alteoir, thanks for the information
Jump in, it hasnt been better now that the chuds are gone.
The last two minutes of the video went pretty hard. Subbed.
As an old 40k fan, thank you for your perspective and words, they fall on a dry spot among many of my friends, as some have literally been depressed by this.
Funny thing about such changes is that they chase away already an established fan base yet these guys never learn.
They chase away fans who already spend money, they leave and now you lose money. Plus, those fans also tell others not to get into it.
So you're opinion we're not allowed to change anything
@@animezilla4486the woke are broke dingus, if they really wanted their female models no one would stop them from building/converting their own, but those people just want to ruin things for others
It's all so fake....
@@animezilla4486 Yep, that's exactly what they said, no disingenuous garbage here from you at all.
@@animezilla4486 Or expand on the Sister of Silence, it's not that difficult.
@@animezilla4486 Not when it's lazy, half-assed pandering that retcons 30 years worth of some of the only consistent lore in the setting, rather than taking pre-existing factions and characters, and giving the spotlight.
yeah im thinking of getting into minis and at this point im definitely using second hand sources like vinted with people selling up unused sets
This is probably the best take on the issue - by best i mean most thoughtful, respectful, calm, intelligent, (also funniest), and open-minded discourse about the issue for many WH40k fans.
I don’t mind female super soldiers being integrated more into the warhammer 40k setting. What bothers me is the fact that they added female Custodes, instead of expanding on the sisters of silence and the sisters of battle. Two factions of awesome female warriors, who they just conveniently forgot existed. And it would be so easy to integrate as well.
They could easily just say that the Imperium wanted more soldiers on the front lines and wanted to use the other half of the human population in the war against the Xenos and the Warp. And so, the imperium began a new project where they reverse engineered the gene seed of the space marines to be able to work with the female hormones (they have a drug which allows you to shapeshift called polymorphine, I’m sure altering the gene seed wouldn’t be that hard) allowing for women to go through the space marine process, turning the most devout sisters of battle into enhanced sisters of battle, with powered nun armor and everything.
But instead of creative writing, they chose to be lazy. Cuz
Sisters already use powered armor. It's not as good as what Space Marines have, but it's not usable by Guardsmen, for example.
there is a simple reason why they didnt choose to develop sisters (of eitehr kind) instead... thats because they aren't interested in women-only factions, they just want to put themselves in the male only ones. They dont want their own space, they want YOURS.
Humans are cheapest resource in the Imperium how can they possibly need to use "other half" of population? Gene seed is a freaking valuable and finite resource unlike manpower. If imperium is so afluent to waste it it is not grimdark anymore.
Only the Sisters of Silence would accept a such a thing. The Sisters of Battle only need their unwavering faith in the Emperor.
Well that's your problem right there, it makes too much damn sense...shame on you for doing thar in current year
Alteori getting in on Warhammer. Unexpected but I like it. Id be interested to see her take on fan favorite characters. Ciaphas Cain, Trazyn the Infinite, Commissar Yarrick, Slaanesh, Sanguinius, Lion El Johnson, Robot Girlyman.
Honestly my favorite part of Warhammer is hearing people talk about the niche that gets them into the setting.
Same! I got started just because of Mechanicus memes, and after deciding to look at their lore, things quickly snowballed. I love when people follow such little journeys like I experienced
You're really good at analogies! I like them the same way
Vidéo excellente et intelligente. Bien que la traduction automatique soit légère,j'ai compris vos propos.
Donc je me suis abonné.
Thank your de Paris
From what I understand, creating femstodes actually craps on women. If we were to ignore works that state that noble sons are turned into custodes, all Custodians are genecrafted by the Emperor meaning that all custodians have a standard that is baselined by the Emperor meaning that male and female custodes are spec-wise identical which doesn't seem like women want to be identified by the baseline of men.
Second, generally Custodians wear identical armor which you wouldnt be able to tell the difference between the two.
Finally, leading off the second point, there was old lore where following the Emperor's interment into the Golden Throne, the Custodians mouned their failure by stripping their armor and patrolling the Imperial Palace naked, barring their helmet. Yeah I don't thing any women would like that the "neckbeards" they want to shit on would enjoy the idea of muscular naken women walking around the palace with naked muscular men.
It'd be shitting on women if there were female Space Marines because all of them are so roided up they'd just be trans men, custodes are all hand crafted by the emperor then later other custodes like you said so they aren't all identical, they're all unique legendary powerhouses
Lore speaking there are many ways to get around the entire hurdle of it. You have Guilliman now so you can say "Gulliman say so cause.. reasons... cause the Imperium is in big trouble" just like how they did with the Primaris Marines. They can have the Sisters of Silence integrated into the Custodies and form a new "sub-faction" or whatever you want and you are done. Lore was never the problem, good writers with good creativity can easily get around these hurdles.
The problem is that GW didn't bother to do it. They Earned *RECORD PROFITS in 2023* (470 million GBP)! And still despite that they didn't bother to do more with this than a single insulting Twitter Post. That is how little they care about it and THAT is the problem. Just one Twitter post that is all we get, beacuse GW does not care.
Blah blah blah. Get rektd
Wait till the female astartes fall to chaos, THEN it will seriously be crap, immagine the ones to fall to slaanesh or nurgle.
@@TheWoodsman308I mean, female astartes were removed since no one bought them.
Ultimately it boils down to this: there was a canonically all-male element in a franchise and now there must be females in it.
Nevermind the Eldar and their badass ladies, or the Tau who are 50/50 because of power armor, or the Adeptus Sororitas and the Sisters of Silence, etc, etc.
There _was_ an all-male element in the Custodes and Astartes, and all-male anythings cannot exist because that's sexist. Next we'll be seeing male Sororitas and Sisters of Silence, because gender nonconformity is absolutely the sort of thing the infamously *bigoted and rigid* Imperium of Man would tolerate.
The way these people approach IPs has strong 'well, mom said I can play too, so there!' petty, infantile energy
Nope. No interest in putting men into women's spaces (unless those men are trans) so the Sisters can be all female nuns since that's their theme, Eldar can have their all female witches, etc... but the male monastic orders of Space Marines have to be destroyed for diversity.
@chucklebouf5379 I hope you're joking. Cuz if you're not you're crazy lol.
1. "You're crazy it's not happening"
2. "OK, it's happening but it's not a big deal"
3. "It's happening and it's a good thing!"
im suprised thry didnt crowbar in some rainbow stuff.
Exactly! If they did try to make it well fans would have just said that it wasn't for them and would have even made suggestions, but they were lazy and everyone doesn't like to be given an half made product.
Thank you, you're take on this was the most balanced and well explained that I've seen so far.
12:36 the sisters of silence I meant to complete the custodians as together they can deal with any thing.
ironically if they push this even further, this will erase the need for adepta sororitas...
Probably because there will be no hobby left
That makes no sense, that's like saying the Custodes will erase the need for Space Marines, or the Sororitas will erase the need for female guardmens.
@@OmenLamb im saying if they make female space marines, then where does it end
@@KoreanGeorge ns the activists have been pushing for new Female Space Marines. Infact one of the articles specifically congratulating GW for the Femstodes change says "one more step towards getting female SM."
@@TierDvikTechnically speaking, female space marines were a thing during rogue traders, but were later removed.
Warhammer fans aren't mad about the inclusion of women in the game. There are women in the Imperial Guard, and even an entire faction of ONLY women: The Adeptus Sororitas. They are mad at GW changing the lore to bend the knee to the woke tourists who don't actually care about 40K at all, they just want to inject their politics.
Not just that. We've seen what happens when these progressives get into a franchise. Star Wars, Star Trek, Marvel, Comics, BattleTech, Gaming... ALL OF IT.
We were outcast for our hobbies and built our own spaces or invested into ones that accepted us and made us happy.
Now the same people who mocked us for our hobbies are coming into what we've built, taking them from us by force and STILL mocking us for what we enjoy.
@@TchHry wait they until discover trench crusade "still work in progress"
@@TchHry oh I'm with you man when I read that I was like "girl there are woman in Warhammer 40k we piss off the lore has changed not woman BRUH"
It's not even realistic that there are women in the Imperial Guard, but pretty much everyone already lets that slide. The nonsense with the Custodes is a much, much bigger problem because that's the usual suspects coming in and planting their flag in our hobby and bragging about it.
We have 3! different fractions in the 40k lore, that are only female: You've mentioned Sororitas already, then we have the Sisters of Silence and we have the Callidus Temple. We don't need female Custodes or even female Space Marines. And if the Hobby is not a "safe space" for them, then i suggest they should turn around and don't mess with our franchise too.
Alteori u just got a sub. It’s the only video I’ve seen from you but I can already tell you care about things and aren’t dumb enough to fall for bullshit. You have a really good head on those shoulders and thank you for fighting. For us and being the voice of a sound audience who just wants to enjoy something without being lied to our faces
Bravo. Great video! ❤
One thing to remember is that these politically obsessed people have been trying to push for years is female space marines, the power boys of warhammer, this is one victory and one step closer to capturing warhammer as a whole.
Others have been using neo pronouns in black library books like it was always a thing "ze zim zer" and all that.
Also you need to understand that these games journalists do understand why the fans are upset, they aren't confused, they just hate their own audience
god neopronouns are cancer
Neo pronouns, seriously? Next, we‘re getting Fulgrim referring to himself as „faeself“ 🤦♂️
Which books are those? They belong on my personal blacklist…
@@mystuff9999 Far as I'm aware it cropped up once. In the book (which I never read) "Imperator: Wrath of the Omnissiah" by Gav Thorpe (an author who's about as far from a GW 'tourist' as it's possible to be). Specifically used by a Magos that was so old and cybernetic the character couldn't even remember their biological sex when born, and so used something like xir/hir (can't remember the specific word) instead of 'it' (technically the neuter singular pronoun in english) in POV scenes. Far from the best idea imo, but I can also see large chunks of text where the POV character thinking of themselves as 'it' being jarring and tricky to parse while reading.
This book came out back in 2018, so quite a while ago. And the was a similar kind of backlash then to what we're seeing now with Femstodes (albeit smaller scale, because BL Novel vs Codex), with people calling it the first step in the 'woke' ideological capture of 40k etc. Yet I'm unaware of it ever cropping up again. Successful backlash? Storm in a teacup? No idea, doubt we'll ever know, especially as the incident is virtually forgotten in the discourse these days.
40k and GW shown they don't want my money and I'm happy to oblige on that
Trying 2 get 2nd hand books but the nerds hold onto those things religiously. I'm not touching anything post 2020.
Thank you, you literally nailed everything I've voiced myself and more. I've voiced that I would be just as pissed if they wanted to make a Brother of Silence, or a Brother of Battle (Sisters of Battle), as I am about this- but they wouldn't dare upset the double standard.
Speaking of "double standards," that Dr. Who speech... what the hell? I don't get it guys, is gender just a fluid idea that people mold themselves around, or is it an immovable truth about who someone is? Because it cannot be both. Feminists, how do you feel when someone comes out as having always been a woman, yet they have faced none of the struggles that you have? And to the trans community, to those who decide they have been men their whole lives, are you also guilty of being a part of the patriarchal menace?
Can we please all just be people, who are into the shit we are into, and believe the shit we believe, regardless if others agree- and everyone mind their own damn business please?
Thank you for the awesome video! Gonna subscribe for sure!
I think part of what made this blow up more then other retcons gw has done before. Timing, they did this after everyone saw how bad the codex is and how heavy handed other media has been doing similar "insert female" kinda stuff.
I'm now expecting-nay! DEMANDING Alteori do at least 3 accents in every video from here on out.
literally 2 regiments full of badass women who are side to side with Space marines and Custody that is Sister of Battle and Sister of Silence
GW: im gonna pretend i didn't see that
The Eldar also have all female components to their faction.
SoB are not just a single regiments they're galaxy wide spanning armies only really dwarfed by Astra Militarum. Marines are limited to just a million yet the spotlight is almost constantly shone on them.
@@corvus_armatura7595 Yeah we all know that Space Marines even with al Chapters combined are like 0.000000001% of the Empire's military but they re the poster boys of the 40k franchise so they get 99.99999% of the attention. Which is already sad but that is how GW made it.
@@ProtonCannon Out of all the changes that we wanted we got something no one wanted and now once again, Space Marines Alpha version is still on the spotlight.
@@corvus_armatura7595 Because there is nothing else worthwhile anymore. Because GW doesn't care anymore.
"They need to respect existing lore"
Here is the main issue: many such changes are brought into existence precisely to disrespect lore and often have no other use and would even be abandoned right after disrespecting it. The disrespect to what was before is the very goal. "Let the past die, KILL IT if You have to"
The movie that line is from has been the start of the failure of an entire franchise.
Where did you find that image in the thumbnail? Asking for a friend
gw has been on rampage ever since a while ago,its bad decision after bad decision and i fear its only gonna get worse.
Space Marine II is probably the last Warhammer 40k-related piece of media I will purchase.
I`m a woman from Poland, it doesn't take much to satisfy my tastes. All I need is entertainment that includes fighting with swords (it doesn't matter whether the characters using them are men or women) and if you add dogs/wolves to the mix... I'm sold and interested.
I don't like it when creators don't respect the history of a particular story... because that's what games/series/films/books are. This behavior shows their lack of talent and too high opinion of themselves. You won't change the story we love because you think you can do it better than the original. What can I say... if you don't respect yourself, you can't respect others, especially those with different views than you.
well I am also a woman and I am cool with female custodeans. You know purely GENETICALLY ENGINEERED people. Funny how different perspectives exist huh?
I don’t have a problem with the female custodies it’s just how they were introduced and the fact that they forgot about the already established sisters of silence
What's wrong with the Custodes being a fraternal order, though? If it's no big deal, why even retcon it?
3:49 i only turned to youtubers only to get multiple perspectives and so i have something to listen to while i do other things
"length and girth" had me slowly building to a hysterical laugh
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So can we have male sisters of battle? Or male sisters of silence?
Sounds kin*y; I'm in 😆
Misters of Battle/Silence.
Yes, you always could. However, IF you put a bunch of men into the Sisters armour, the rightwingers will all fucking lose it again because they'll think they're all trans.
Misters of silence?
@@EvilExcalibur NO, I can't unsee that.
Its not even the retcon itself that is the problem. Its the dozens of plotholes it rips open outside of the faction.
Alteori you are that Lady.🎉❤🎉 I've been trying to find a good way to get into the lore because I've been playing the games but it's kinda alot. Then here you come with a simple fix. You're a Valkyrie of the highest order, thank you.
The worst part is, the people Games Wokeshop is pandering to, are not even fans....
it does alienate and split the customer base, I do not understand this idea that losing 95% of your customers is fine if it means you're no longer offending 5% of them... like... seriously you're willing to lose all your customers just to make a few people happy?
Yes, gotta get that vanguard and black rock money.
Disney: YES
Gotta get dat sweet commonist esg cash somehow.
Nah, more like 5 % like it, 5 hate it and 90 dont care
@@NG-gy6iv apathy is worse than hate, cause at least if you hate something you're acknowledging it's existance.
Awesome assessment. Thank you.
Also, the sisters of battle are a thing, don't know if anyone's mentioned that yet?
Useless normal humans who are weaker in every way
I read somewhere that the whole female Custodes thing was a result of Amazon not wanting to use the already existing female factions for various reasons. The Twitter admins jumped the gun with the “they have always existed.”
I am of the opinion that until it is an official book, it’s not canon.
That sounds like nonsense excuse, there is nothing wrong whatsoever with the Sisters of Battle or the Sisters of Silence.
I think that’s stupid, they should use the official factions, Warhammer Fans want to see the Sisters of Battle and the Sisters of Silence not a female Custodes.
thats a myth.
the twitter pr team are not the brightest bulbs.
It's canon as its IN THE CODEX. AN OFFICIAL BOOK.
That Amazon thing is still just a rumor
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Why?? When you have way better female characters and factions?? They should've said that the Sisters Of Silence are close relatives of the Custodes or something! It's just them being cheap and lazy.
we know what is coming, look at what happened to battletech if you want an example of what happens if you let these changes go unchallanged.
Pride month must have been rough for you
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@@madcapmiguel5071 Having a low IQ must be rough for you. Go be a tourist elsewhere.
What happened to Battletech? Isn't that just big robots blowing each other up?
@@masterbl4ster113the forums are more about LGBT circle jerking than big stompy robots from what I've heard. Apparently trying to steer the conversation back to the actual topic can get you banned. It doesn't even sound to crazy to be true these days.
I wish i hade the talent to make videos like this, i hope you go far! You say what i wish i hade talent to say and make into a video 💕 thank you for doing this video //Roger
23:44 THANK YOU! _That_ is actually what this whole thing is really about, for GW _and_ the fans, even the ones complaining about 'the lore not being respected.' GW did this, _specifically_ because they don't like the fact that their product has a primarily male audience. _That_ is the reason. They think it's _wrong_ to cater to an audience of 14 year-old boys. They think that's a _problem_ . That, is what we call _hate_ .
24:46 On the other hand, I enjoyed watching _Sailor Moon_ as a kid. My favorite character from that show was Rei, because she had mystic power even without her ability to transform, and she wielded fire and was aligned with the planet Mars. Loved that stuff.
The Sisters of Silence and Sisters of Battle exist. The Sisters of Silence are equal and work in tandem with the Custodes in lore. There are other factions that have females and males working together. Or even all female armies. If anything, this means that the Sisters of Silence will continue to be ignored.
They don't want to use the sister of silence because they can't talk so they won't be able to yap whatever the shitty dialogue they want
A great Quote I have heard recently is "GAMES WORKSHOP will do absolutely *ANYTHING* just to avoid updating the Sisters of Silence."
But seriously Alteori beautifully summarized the situation. There are so many ways to get around this to make it mesh with the lore but GW just did the worst way possible.
- Make it a new lore event that was ordered directly by Guiliman.
- Make it that some Sisters of Silence have been integrated into the Custodes to form a New Secret Order due to recent events.
There, I am not a 40k lore expert and it took me just MINUTES to come up with solutions that make more sense that what GW did. Seriously how hard is this?
My Greatest gripe about this is that announcement is not only insulting but huge *WASTED POTENTIAL* GW could have done so much more with this topic. The greatest stories are written about great changes, this is a huge change to the Warhammer lore and thus had the potential for writing NEW LORE, instead of retconing the old lore with a throwaway Twitter post. You could have wrote an entire book series that show this reveal its affect on the society. Why did nobody know about this? Why was this a secret? How will the countless factions react to this? Will they think this is Heresy? So many questions here and each question holds potential stories that could enrich the lore.
They did the same with the reveal of Primaris Marines and that was massive shitshow, but at least that was something NEW! Even tough everyone knows it was only done to boost sales for their new line of miniatures. It was new, it had huge story events it had characters doing things it had questions as it should. And now with Female Custodes they didn't even do that, they only bothered to add one single insulting Twitter post. They care that little for this.
Why not BUILD on what you already have instead or TEARING IT DOWN?
Female custodes amd astartes girls would have sold like hotcakes if GW made an anime. First western property to break into the asian market.
But GW had to do the stupidest retcon instead of making it at least somewhat beliaveble.
Honestly, they could have done the "they were around for a long time" retcon better. Granted this isn't the first time Custodes had the "they were around the whole time" retcon. It was literally how GW justified them being playable in 40k. So, the Femstodes are a sloppier example of that kind of retcon. I mean GW is infamous for poorly thought out retcons they try to retroactively fit in.
Take Centurions, who while technically are a later development in the timeline, were retconned into being a part of the Tyrannic wars. You then have the Leagues of Votann, who were a...... honestly not that great attempt at reviving the Squats when GW for the longest time justified not having them because they had no idea how to dwarves in space faithfully for some reason..... only to make them straight up Nasapunk Manifest Destiny Deep Rock Galactic dwarves when they were brought back.
i would have cared much less if it was done in that way, although i still dislike it for taking away from the sisters of silence who need more attention in the first place