📸 If your only use-case is sitting at a desk talking to a camera, then your criticisms are valid. But if you're recording or streaming your kids' basketball or softball game, a conference, a worship service, a panel discussion, a university lecture, etc., then your criticisms are wildly off-base - especially if you are cutting between multiple cameras.
Wouldn’t you have your system prebuilt or set up once for worship/lecture/university/conferences? In most of those cases you’re going to be hardwired anyway. Well, these venues are set it and forget it where you can have a set up station almost permanently. I can understand for venues like trade shows are concerts where you’re having to constantly break down and put up systems. at the same time, though you’re also going to have an issue with the wireless connectivity, especially in an environment where you don’t have good signal.
@@MatsuXL In some situations, yes, but not all. I work at a major university; in-room setups are oriented toward Zoom calls, and are poorly adapted to live stream and event video. Being able to cut between 3 or 4 cameras via an iPad, then pick up that setup and do it in a different auditorium another night is real use-case. With the Mevo Core, we can cover events like this with less than half the people and expense. Again: you are pissing on a camera for it not being well-suited for a use case it wasn't built for. It's actually a very welcome camera for other use-cases. 🤷🏻♂
@tlingit I’m pissing on a camera and brand that has directly aimed this for desk scenarios. Also the fact that there are other options at a lower tier/cost. Again, if you are in the MEVO ecosystem then by no means should you jump ship, however given that my audience is being targeted with a device like this, there are other options.
@@MatsuXL Wow. You are dead wrong and too proud to admit it. Multiple people are trying to help you, and all you can do is double down on your mistaken assumption. Sad.
Ah, the classic apples to oranges comparison strikes again! 🍎🍊 📷 Dive in with me: If your streaming setup is still desk-bound, Mevo might seem like overkill, but think of it as your encoder, cellular router and camera all in one. Think of Mevo as the Tesla of cameras, always improving with updates like the potential for 60fps, because they're all about listening to what you want. And about that NDI license? While others only look at basic camera functionality as the only driver to justify price, Mevo includes what typically costs $100, democratizing quality streaming for all users out of the box. Comparing Mevo to traditional cameras is like comparing smartphones to landlines. Both make calls, but can your landline snap a pic? Mevo isn't just any camera; it makes shooting content setup and breakdown easy for anyone, not just those with tech knowledge and an abundance of gear. Paying for convenience is often underestimated. In a world valuing time, Mevo stands out, ready to stream straight out of the box. And with Mevo's HDMI output you can accomplish 4K streaming just like the cameras you mentioned, the 1080p30 is only limited via mobile streaming but if you want to mix in even more hardware which seems like your preference then you can do it now. For mobile 4K streaming they already mention in their community group that they are waiting for more platforms to support it but it's possible and coming. Let's not rush to judgment. Mevo is more than a camera; it's a streamlined solution. Why piece together a puzzle when the picture is ready to go?
I don’t disagree with some of the points you make. What you pay for is the namebrand and ecosystem. Yes there is some ease and flexibility regarding breakdown and set up and stuff just working out the box. I think the Mevo Start package it’s probably the better option for someone who’s getting into creation and looking for the best bang for their buck. And I say that only because for someone who’s looking for a quick easy set up and no frills, it comes with everything you need for multicam. In the case, scenario where yes, you can achieve 4K streaming by plugging in an HDMI, you mitigate the wireless functionality . I appreciate being able to have an open conversation and understanding other thoughts. I think the biggest thing that triggers with me is that someone brand new to content creation is going to see this and think it’s the end all be all solution whereas this may be best suited for a specific niche area of creators.
As a Mevo user with multiple Starts this is going to be my main camera with the Starts capturing alternate shots. Mevo users have been missing an optical zoom for many situations. This camera will work natively with the Mevo app and cameras that I already have. Most recent videos on my channel (Thrifty Biscuits-Old Bank) were shot with Mevo Core as the main camera using a Laowa 6mm wide angle lens. Another Mevo Core was using the Olympus M.Zuiko 14-42mm zoom.
I’ll definitely have to check your channel out! Yea if you are in the ecosystem already it makes sense and that goes for anyone already investing in gear/brand.
Mevo's products have always been kind of a niche...where you need a camera with long battery life, wireless capability, and space/weight are at a premium. To use a Blackmagic Micro G2 in a similar setup, you'd have to add a bulky LP-E6 battery which likely won't have 6 hours of life, a wireless NDI transcoder like a Kiloview N1 (or a Hollyland Cosmo C1 + NP-F550 battery if you don't care about NDI), and you won't have use of the tally lights (unless you use the one on the N1). Whereas the Mevo Core has that all built in. It all depends on what your workflow is on whether $1000 is worth it.
Short: At 5:20 a bigger sensor does not let more light in. You might have more photos per square centimeter. So you an advantage at the same Megapixel Count. Long: Full frame does not collect more light than APS-C or M43. That is just wrong! Full Frame can collect more light per pixel but only if we do not talk about FF sensors with very high megapixel counts. The difference in quality comes from the noise that is generated as the pixels in crop sensors have to be much smaller to reach the same Megapixel count. F2 is also F2 on micro four thirds. A F4 lens on M43 collects as much light for the sensor as a F4 on Full Frame! The crop factor does not apply to light gathering! The only thing is that M43 has double the depth of field (less Bokeh / Toneh). Summary: You just have less sensor area for each pixel. A 60Megapixel FUll Frame will have similar pixel density than a 24 Megapixel APS-C and therefore will not necessarily work much better in low light in terms of "noise". ChatGPT can help us here: Full Frame sensors typically have dimensions around 36mm x 24mm. APS-C sensors vary slightly depending on the manufacturer, but a common size is around 22.3mm x 14.9mm. Micro Four Thirds sensors have dimensions around 17.3mm x 13mm. Let's calculate: Camera 1 (Full Frame, 24 Megapixel): Sensor area = 36mm * 24mm = 864mm² Pixel per surface area = 24 MP / 864 mm² ≈ 0.0278 MP/mm² Camera 2 (Full Frame, 45 Megapixel): Sensor area = 36mm * 24mm = 864mm² Pixel per surface area = 45 MP / 864 mm² ≈ 0.0521 MP/mm² Camera 3 (APS-C Nikon, 24 Megapixel): Sensor area = 22.3mm * 14.9mm ≈ 332.27mm² Pixel per surface area = 24 MP / 332.27 mm² ≈ 0.0722 MP/mm² Camera 4 (Micro Four Thirds, 20 Megapixel): Sensor area = 17.3mm * 13mm ≈ 225.5mm² Pixel per surface area = 20 MP / 225.5 mm² ≈ 0.0887 MP/mm² Camera 5 (Full Frame, 60 Megapixel): Sensor area = 36mm * 24mm = 864mm² Pixel per surface area = 60 MP / 864 mm² ≈ 0.0694 MP/mm² For low light it still makes sense to carry full frame but not for the same reasons as described in the video. Show less
I just ordered one with a great lens. I'm excited to see the difference from just my mevo starts. Nice review brother! I would love a 2nd one. I'll do a great review for them as well, I love my mevos
for people who are in the system it makes sense to be the next upgrade. For people who are primarily desktop streamers this may be overkill compared to other options.
I love the form factor of the MG2 but at its heart it is a Broadcast camera, Logitech is clearly shooting for more of your creative live streaming segments.
actually I started with phones, and now I'm finally ready to step up my game, sold a house got my check som I'm buying this as my main camera and a SONY Cinema Line FX30 Super 35 Camera
Hi MatsuXL 📸, Without buying any of these products 😁 to test if someone is thinking of setting up a RUclips studio with multiple cameras what would your advice be if Mevo APP in combination with the Mevo Core is not the best option. I was thinking of getting these items to replace Logitech ecosystem. I would like to see your unbiased opinion or advice on this in a video for people who want to start 2024. Thinking of getting these: Rode RODECaster Pro II Blackmagic ATEM Mini Pro Rode PodMic podcast 4 Sony ZV E10 And Logitech Put Up!!! we are waiting.
The real question is, will you be focused on still streaming from an iPad or would a laptop/computer be an option? I’ve been playing around with Camo Studio my iPad and it’s been killer for streaming and recording.
My first webcamera was a hacked playstation 2 EyeToy. I used my mum's anti-depressant sunlamp for lighting and even though it was 480 looked perfectly fine sized in the corner for livestreaming.
📸 Brandon Brown from The Horror Scene ! We are using the Mevo Start 3 camera system. Works great, but I agree with you about this new Mevo… just go buy a DSLR or Mirrorless.
I've got three Mevo Start cameras, and honestly, they're pretty rubbish except for one thing - they're super easy for anyone to use. In our podcast studio, even someone who's never touched a camera before can handle them. I'm considering them just for the simplicity they bring. We've also got three GH5 cameras, but most folks aren't keen on learning to use them. Even though the Blackmagic cameras are the same price and way better for studio rentals, I can see the appeal of buying the Mevo for its user-friendliness. But I'm not sure if that justifies making a camera that maybe only a few hundred studios worldwide would buy. I'm curious who else is shelling out for these at such a high price point.
I think because from my spectrum of the neighborhood I see these advertised to streaming and twitch in the gamer creator aspect. You def pay for the ecosystem and ease of use. I kinda think it’s like Apple vs Android. Apple is not really customizable and just works out the box. Android can be really tinkered and tailored and be more powerful, albeit you need to know HOW to tinker with it in the first place.
Obsbot Air is an additional 200 dollars (100 for the NDI license and 100 for the ethernet adapter) So now we're at 700 dollars for a NDI capable OA but we don't have interchangeable lens. I get a 2.5 hour battery roughly compared to the Mevo 6 hour battery. OA is going to be right for some people that need PTZ or a really small size for portability
Why not a PTZ? Not looking for a thousand dollar camera I have to then buy lenses for and still cant remotely pan and tilt. Yeah, you can digitally do that within the 4k sensor view, but that is not going to help in a lot of situations. No thanks.
I'm honestly sick of "so called" streaming cameras being released that don't simply replicate the humble camcorder in a small form factor with all the streaming perks. It's like they only know how to copy other products.
@@djmatt1 It can stream at 4k 60fps (that's a killer). Small screen and buttons for control, more connection options, better-built quality, phone app + direct connection with a smartphone... It really depends on what it is needed for...
you are wrong because with mevo you've got camera with wireless and camera and long time power plus no mixer no monitor only you need mevo and wifi and phone or iPad
📸 If your only use-case is sitting at a desk talking to a camera, then your criticisms are valid. But if you're recording or streaming your kids' basketball or softball game, a conference, a worship service, a panel discussion, a university lecture, etc., then your criticisms are wildly off-base - especially if you are cutting between multiple cameras.
Wouldn’t you have your system prebuilt or set up once for worship/lecture/university/conferences? In most of those cases you’re going to be hardwired anyway. Well, these venues are set it and forget it where you can have a set up station almost permanently.
I can understand for venues like trade shows are concerts where you’re having to constantly break down and put up systems. at the same time, though you’re also going to have an issue with the wireless connectivity, especially in an environment where you don’t have good signal.
@@MatsuXL In some situations, yes, but not all. I work at a major university; in-room setups are oriented toward Zoom calls, and are poorly adapted to live stream and event video. Being able to cut between 3 or 4 cameras via an iPad, then pick up that setup and do it in a different auditorium another night is real use-case.
With the Mevo Core, we can cover events like this with less than half the people and expense.
Again: you are pissing on a camera for it not being well-suited for a use case it wasn't built for. It's actually a very welcome camera for other use-cases. 🤷🏻♂
@tlingit I’m pissing on a camera and brand that has directly aimed this for desk scenarios. Also the fact that there are other options at a lower tier/cost.
Again, if you are in the MEVO ecosystem then by no means should you jump ship, however given that my audience is being targeted with a device like this, there are other options.
@@MatsuXL Wow. You are dead wrong and too proud to admit it. Multiple people are trying to help you, and all you can do is double down on your mistaken assumption. Sad.
Comments say the MEVO Core is NOT meant for Twitch streamers… #contentcreator #camera #mevocamera
Ah, the classic apples to oranges comparison strikes again! 🍎🍊 📷
Dive in with me:
If your streaming setup is still desk-bound, Mevo might seem like overkill, but think of it as your encoder, cellular router and camera all in one. Think of Mevo as the Tesla of cameras, always improving with updates like the potential for 60fps, because they're all about listening to what you want.
And about that NDI license? While others only look at basic camera functionality as the only driver to justify price, Mevo includes what typically costs $100, democratizing quality streaming for all users out of the box.
Comparing Mevo to traditional cameras is like comparing smartphones to landlines. Both make calls, but can your landline snap a pic? Mevo isn't just any camera; it makes shooting content setup and breakdown easy for anyone, not just those with tech knowledge and an abundance of gear.
Paying for convenience is often underestimated. In a world valuing time, Mevo stands out, ready to stream straight out of the box. And with Mevo's HDMI output you can accomplish 4K streaming just like the cameras you mentioned, the 1080p30 is only limited via mobile streaming but if you want to mix in even more hardware which seems like your preference then you can do it now. For mobile 4K streaming they already mention in their community group that they are waiting for more platforms to support it but it's possible and coming.
Let's not rush to judgment. Mevo is more than a camera; it's a streamlined solution. Why piece together a puzzle when the picture is ready to go?
I don’t disagree with some of the points you make. What you pay for is the namebrand and ecosystem. Yes there is some ease and flexibility regarding breakdown and set up and stuff just working out the box.
I think the Mevo Start package it’s probably the better option for someone who’s getting into creation and looking for the best bang for their buck. And I say that only because for someone who’s looking for a quick easy set up and no frills, it comes with everything you need for multicam. In the case, scenario where yes, you can achieve 4K streaming by plugging in an HDMI, you mitigate the wireless functionality .
I appreciate being able to have an open conversation and understanding other thoughts. I think the biggest thing that triggers with me is that someone brand new to content creation is going to see this and think it’s the end all be all solution whereas this may be best suited for a specific niche area of creators.
nice try logitech. not gonna fool me
Well Said. If it was apple ecosystem they would be all over it and that's a fact. I should know I'm a apple fanboy.
As a Mevo user with multiple Starts this is going to be my main camera with the Starts capturing alternate shots. Mevo users have been missing an optical zoom for many situations. This camera will work natively with the Mevo app and cameras that I already have. Most recent videos on my channel (Thrifty Biscuits-Old Bank) were shot with Mevo Core as the main camera using a Laowa 6mm wide angle lens. Another Mevo Core was using the Olympus M.Zuiko 14-42mm zoom.
I’ll definitely have to check your channel out!
Yea if you are in the ecosystem already it makes sense and that goes for anyone already investing in gear/brand.
Mevo's products have always been kind of a niche...where you need a camera with long battery life, wireless capability, and space/weight are at a premium. To use a Blackmagic Micro G2 in a similar setup, you'd have to add a bulky LP-E6 battery which likely won't have 6 hours of life, a wireless NDI transcoder like a Kiloview N1 (or a Hollyland Cosmo C1 + NP-F550 battery if you don't care about NDI), and you won't have use of the tally lights (unless you use the one on the N1). Whereas the Mevo Core has that all built in. It all depends on what your workflow is on whether $1000 is worth it.
its really good device if youre such an one man band
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At 5:20 a bigger sensor does not let more light in. You might have more photos per square centimeter. So you an advantage at the same Megapixel Count.
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Full frame does not collect more light than APS-C or M43. That is just wrong! Full Frame can collect more light per pixel but only if we do not talk about FF sensors with very high megapixel counts. The difference in quality comes from the noise that is generated as the pixels in crop sensors have to be much smaller to reach the same Megapixel count. F2 is also F2 on micro four thirds. A F4 lens on M43 collects as much light for the sensor as a F4 on Full Frame! The crop factor does not apply to light gathering! The only thing is that M43 has double the depth of field (less Bokeh / Toneh). Summary: You just have less sensor area for each pixel. A 60Megapixel FUll Frame will have similar pixel density than a 24 Megapixel APS-C and therefore will not necessarily work much better in low light in terms of "noise".
ChatGPT can help us here: Full Frame sensors typically have dimensions around 36mm x 24mm. APS-C sensors vary slightly depending on the manufacturer, but a common size is around 22.3mm x 14.9mm. Micro Four Thirds sensors have dimensions around 17.3mm x 13mm. Let's calculate: Camera 1 (Full Frame, 24 Megapixel): Sensor area = 36mm * 24mm = 864mm² Pixel per surface area = 24 MP / 864 mm² ≈ 0.0278 MP/mm² Camera 2 (Full Frame, 45 Megapixel): Sensor area = 36mm * 24mm = 864mm² Pixel per surface area = 45 MP / 864 mm² ≈ 0.0521 MP/mm² Camera 3 (APS-C Nikon, 24 Megapixel): Sensor area = 22.3mm * 14.9mm ≈ 332.27mm² Pixel per surface area = 24 MP / 332.27 mm² ≈ 0.0722 MP/mm² Camera 4 (Micro Four Thirds, 20 Megapixel): Sensor area = 17.3mm * 13mm ≈ 225.5mm² Pixel per surface area = 20 MP / 225.5 mm² ≈ 0.0887 MP/mm² Camera 5 (Full Frame, 60 Megapixel): Sensor area = 36mm * 24mm = 864mm² Pixel per surface area = 60 MP / 864 mm² ≈ 0.0694 MP/mm² For low light it still makes sense to carry full frame but not for the same reasons as described in the video.
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That’s a lot of words trying to justify an 8.3 megapixel sensor 🤷🏽♂️
I just ordered one with a great lens. I'm excited to see the difference from just my mevo starts. Nice review brother! I would love a 2nd one. I'll do a great review for them as well, I love my mevos
It should definitely be an upgrade over the Starts. What will really make your image is the lens! A good lens goes a long long way!
Costs more but the integration and ease of use and setup time. I think this is a really cool camera still
for people who are in the system it makes sense to be the next upgrade. For people who are primarily desktop streamers this may be overkill compared to other options.
Thanks for this video!! 📸🎥📷📹🤳📽️🎞️😉
📷 yeah streaming at 1080 thirty aint so bad but a thousand you can be two lenses into the z30 or zve10 by then.😮
I have the blackmagic micro g2 and its great but no auto focus is another thing it lacks.
I love the form factor of the MG2 but at its heart it is a Broadcast camera, Logitech is clearly shooting for more of your creative live streaming segments.
@@hmurchison8123 so you're saying I should upgrade to a BS1H 🤔
Isn't HEVC x265? Not x264 as stated in video. 📷
The camera supports BOTH h264 & hevc
@@MatsuXL thank you. I was confused.
@@CareyHolzman yes, HEVC is h265
Thanks for the help! Appreciate your insight. 📸
actually I started with phones, and now I'm finally ready to step up my game, sold a house got my check som I'm buying this as my main camera and a SONY Cinema Line FX30 Super 35 Camera
what about battery life ?
Hi MatsuXL 📸,
Without buying any of these products 😁 to test if someone is thinking of setting up a RUclips studio with multiple cameras what would your advice be if Mevo APP in combination with the Mevo Core is not the best option. I was thinking of getting these items to replace Logitech ecosystem. I would like to see your unbiased opinion or advice on this in a video for people who want to start 2024.
Thinking of getting these:
Rode RODECaster Pro II
Blackmagic ATEM Mini Pro
Rode PodMic podcast
4 Sony ZV E10
And Logitech Put Up!!! we are waiting.
The real question is, will you be focused on still streaming from an iPad or would a laptop/computer be an option? I’ve been playing around with Camo Studio my iPad and it’s been killer for streaming and recording.
@@MatsuXL i have both Laptop and iPad. Just not sure where to begin. Let me check out camo studio never heard about it before. Appreciate your input.
@khadartv7811 free app. Like obs or streamlabs for iPad. It’s a neat tool!
My first webcamera was a hacked playstation 2 EyeToy. I used my mum's anti-depressant sunlamp for lighting and even though it was 480 looked perfectly fine sized in the corner for livestreaming.
That's some ingenuity! To be fair as long as lighting is good you can make most cameras look decent.
📷That was an awesome review.
Logitech be smokin' that good stuff!
ayo @logitech where you at?
📸 Brandon Brown from The Horror Scene ! We are using the Mevo Start 3 camera system. Works great, but I agree with you about this new Mevo… just go buy a DSLR or Mirrorless.
Razer Kyio Pro and before that, my iPhone. Currently using the Logitech MX Brio.
^6 Months later it is still going strong. I would buy another one.
📷 wish they did more with the start cameras
This! 100% I actually think the Start cameras are a better buy plus you can get three for the price of one core!
I've got three Mevo Start cameras, and honestly, they're pretty rubbish except for one thing - they're super easy for anyone to use. In our podcast studio, even someone who's never touched a camera before can handle them. I'm considering them just for the simplicity they bring. We've also got three GH5 cameras, but most folks aren't keen on learning to use them. Even though the Blackmagic cameras are the same price and way better for studio rentals, I can see the appeal of buying the Mevo for its user-friendliness. But I'm not sure if that justifies making a camera that maybe only a few hundred studios worldwide would buy. I'm curious who else is shelling out for these at such a high price point.
I think because from my spectrum of the neighborhood I see these advertised to streaming and twitch in the gamer creator aspect. You def pay for the ecosystem and ease of use.
I kinda think it’s like Apple vs Android. Apple is not really customizable and just works out the box. Android can be really tinkered and tailored and be more powerful, albeit you need to know HOW to tinker with it in the first place.
📸 thanks for the realness !
You can get Sony FDR3000 for less than $500. Yes no interchangeable lens but still.
I use 3 Mevos starts at church< Just got the Mevo Core It is working good so far.
Since you are already in the Mevo ecosystem it makes sense to move up into the new camera body. Glad it’s working out!
📸 The z30 from Nikon w/lens cost $800
My first webcam was my gopro
Nice! Which one? My first was a Hero4
It was my GoPro Hero 9, at the time I did not have access to any other camera@@MatsuXL
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Rather have the blackmagic micro g2 for this money.
Need NDI get a transcoder box or buy an obsbot air 😊
Obsbot Air is an additional 200 dollars (100 for the NDI license and 100 for the ethernet adapter) So now we're at 700 dollars for a NDI capable OA but we don't have interchangeable lens. I get a 2.5 hour battery roughly compared to the Mevo 6 hour battery. OA is going to be right for some people that need PTZ or a really small size for portability
@@hmurchison8123 does the obsbot air include NDI recorder software? That is another cost to take into account.
Still getting at least one though 😉
Why not a PTZ? Not looking for a thousand dollar camera I have to then buy lenses for and still cant remotely pan and tilt. Yeah, you can digitally do that within the 4k sensor view, but that is not going to help in a lot of situations. No thanks.
I'm honestly sick of "so called" streaming cameras being released that don't simply replicate the humble camcorder in a small form factor with all the streaming perks. It's like they only know how to copy other products.
The price is an absolute shocker. I would rather invest in a Sony Alpha ZV-E10.
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No it's not worth $1000. That's stupid expensive.
i’d rather spend money in a NDI converter
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Think about the PTZ cameras you can find for $1,000 with advanced AI capabilities. No thanks Logitech.
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Z cam E2N is much better. Better even than the black magic.
how is a zcam better than a Blackmagic?
@@djmatt1 It can stream at 4k 60fps (that's a killer). Small screen and buttons for control, more connection options, better-built quality, phone app + direct connection with a smartphone... It really depends on what it is needed for...
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LOL Logitec is out to lunch, what a joke camera for that price, should be $200 at most.
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you are wrong because with mevo you've got camera with wireless and camera and long time power plus no mixer no monitor only you need mevo and wifi and phone or iPad
for the price of the MEVO body alone I can buy TWO PTZ Tail Airs from OBSBOT and get even better live stream setups
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