I liked open world before but i got bored of them. And here iam loving and glazing these games HSR and ZZZ I still keep up with genshin here and there but i hate WuWa with passion.
lowkey same got tired of genshin but will still play their new patch when it releases cause story is a banger but let's be fr here open world really isn't my thing lmao.
i do love open world game but not gacha. Open world and gacha doesnt mash well for me. I did try wuwa but other than combat i dislike everything in the games. Other than a bit of parkor, treversing in wuwa is boring. Its really weird that no one ever talk about how stiff grapling hook mechanic in wuwa. Music, story and dialog is okay at best.
MTashed is just a hostage in this community😄 He is not a weeb, he doesnt simp, he hates how gachas work. He just for some reason made content at the start of Genshin, blew up, and now is forced to sit here cause of money😁 So I'm not surprised on the one hand that he doesnt understand, but at the same time after all these years, man... how?🤔
the recently popular term “tourist” fits very well, he’s not a “hostage” at all, no one is holding him at bay, he’s simply forcing himself to get in on the money GachaSmack and Brax is somewhat like him in other ways(doesn’t read any story, no anime-simping, and idk if he’s a weeb) likely because they have family and not quite comfortable feeling invested in those things even if it helps connecting with audience or even if it’s acting for MTashed though I’m convinced he’s actually just that much of boomer and a gameplay-bro tryhard CC these games doesn’t just rely on gameplay, they invest just as much if not more in world-experience, if these CCs don’t enjoy or at least seem to enjoy the games and their full package then how dont they get not majority would relate with them?
@@f.b.lagent1113 Don't know much about Brax, but I got the feeling that GachaSmack seems to be into anime? But in any case, I'm not sure why it wouldn't be comfortable to be into those things. Just as in any regular media you have anime and anime inspired games for all ages and interests.
"after all these years". Exactly. Even though he kinda happened to become a gacha content creator by chance, he should have most of this shit figured out by now. Yet he doesn't seem to learn.
Facts my brother, spit your shit indeed! Western CCs doom posting about ZZZ is hilarious. But it's obvious that they are also trying to stir up a divide between WuWa and ZZZ. I play both games and it's annoying to see them shit talk ZZZ just because they play WuWa.
They are CC's they gotta keep the lights on somehow doesn't help that we were at a dry patch on HSR, Wuwa, and Genshin + how non drama based ZZZ content didn't do all too well in the views department.
I'm surprised by the fact that people don't seem to accept that a game these days doesn't need to have an open world. A lot of people before HSR's release (and even during the first month) were writing it off as a boring game for not having an open world and being a turn-based game. You would think that with the resounding success of HSR that idea would have faded away, but history repeated itself with ZZZ calling the game bad and many even calling it a failure during its first week of release. Genshin did a lot for the gacha world in general, but it also doomed that world to set open worlds as the standard, and anything that doesn't live up to that will be seen as inferior.
not every game is open world either the people asking for it has only played wuwa and genshin for sure lmao even elden ring was a first for fromsoftware too the rest of the games are very linear, all the top games on twitch are not open world only gta5 and minecraft, the rest are pvp mobas etc, from all gachas only tof genshin and wuwa are open world so why would any gacha want to be another open world? tof already flopped so is not that open world warranties success, wuwa already dropping despite having its 2 best banners, i dont know how the 2 most hyped characters at launch did less than yinlin, a lot of people did quit in a month, look at the game that output wuwa too, a dating simulator, turn battler ,a card like game with turns too and fgo almost does it too despite being only big in japan, so their argument about le open world doesnt even work is about how fun is to play or what your goals are ingame, naruto is huge and the game has mid gameplay, it feels like a web event from genshin legit.
HSR is still a very boring gacha 90% of the time, the reason I'm still on it is bc I can idle that while playing other games and wait HSR for new story/events
Even as a Meta Player I agree with you, but people need to stop thinking "ZZZ is Easy", dude didn't even played Shiyu Defense and Hollow Zero and thinks the game is easy because the tutorial was easy 💀
@@AespaKatarina With longer play it will get easier, just because something is hard now doesn't mean it will stay that way. Gacha games are designed to make things easier as time goes on. Remember when Abyss was pretty hard? Now look at it people sniff Abyss like coke. Intensity 11 is giving yourself debuffs making the game somewhat more difficult and is a completely optional thing.
@haruyanto8085 they attempted to murder the mihoyo ceo over bunny skins And the fans prevented hi3 from adding any male characters Ppl in cn community killing cats over scaramouche They just get mad over different things
His complaint is not that he doesn't enjoy the game. He enjoys it, but his complaint is that it os not fun to watch. So, basically, he is blaming the game for his boring personality.
He complain he dont get view playing zzz when he dont like the game. Did he expect people gonna watch him with that kind behavior ? How long these clwn playing these youtuber game now 😭
TBH I don’t get why all this CC’s never get that gachas are casual games. Games that you play daily for a bit and then log off, only playing more on mayor story updates or stuff like that, that is why people like them. That is why people love HSR auto fighting, so it grinds for you and you can do dailies faster. CC’s want more, want gachas to be difficult like Wuwa, but I think a lot of people don’t look for that in gachas. If they wanted difficulty they would buy elden ring or whatever. One plays gachas because of characters or because of how casual they are and then because the gameplay and story are enjoyable. This is why I don’t think a game like Wuwa, that requires a lot of time investment will ever do as well as a less time consuming game like HSR in the gacha realm, because it’s much easier to keep up and do everything, from dailies to story faster than Wuwa. At least that is the way I see it and why HSR is my favorite gacha and I don’t play Wuwa anymore.
I share your opinion. I after 2 versions, I got tired of WuWa and honestly the only complicated thing are the holograms and the rest is Genshin level because they die very quickly if you are already well equipped. The problem of being well equipped is its echo system because I find it tiring to go to farm around the map because it takes more than 40 mins and if you don't get the substats you want, you have to repeat the same route the next day. I have Changli half armed but I'm waiting for the monthly login to finish and uninstall WuWa.
And with GS argument, he says it like these people from Hoyo community, ''Hoyoshills'' so to say, are going to spend on their other games just because they are part of the community. Just cause they support the company. No one does that, money dont grow on trees. If I didnt like the game I'm not going to spend on it, Hoyo or not. So if people threw 96 mil at them - they liked the game. That is success, simple as that. Otherwise, without ZZZ, Hoyo would earn 72 mil this month, maybe a couple mil more. Others would go to WuWa or other games
I'm one of those that would love to play WuWa, but I dropped it after a month because of IRL time constraints. That and I don't feel like I'm ready to pass on Genshin because I don't feel accomplished there just yet, and with Natlan releasing soon I will be wanting to keep up. Tbh I really like the concept of WuWa's world, but I really only liked one or two characters there so I didn't feel as attached. ZZZ though I've appreciated because it essentially carries you through its modes via progressing the story. I know that's not as favorable to some, but as a casual this eliminated searching or grinding I would have otherwise needed to do. Currently lv38 just playing a few stages per day and using battery as desired.
this is pretty much the final fantasy 14 experience, everything is locked behind story and same in wow, you cant enter dungeons etc, coming from those games after 4k in ff14 and like 12 in wow this game didnt feel bad at all but i can see your point, i always come back to story rich games with good characters never to good gameplay games with bad world or characters, gameplay alone cant carry the game if you aint invested in the world, like he mention blue archive barely has gameplay and so is uma musume or fgo, yet they do a lot of money, if they complain about genshin and hsr not having as much gameplay they would cry playing the rest of gachas, nikke is an autobattle simulator, you either clear with power or dont, is rare the time you can influence battles doing it manually and everything revolves around top tier units/power, low tier units cant clear endgame is very p2w.
This comment is pretty much how i feel. I like wuwa, but i dont feel like playing since im not finished with genshin and didnt want to feel like playing it all over again.
@@CzDelta92This⬆️ I think cc's who complains about gameplay in any gacha games are just dick riding them because there's money. Most of the time they don't even know gacha games that came out 8 years ago hell hi3 is barely even mentioned when comparing about hoyo games. If they want gameplay, then why don't they just cover games that actually prioritize gameplay. Nintendo exist, capcom exist.
@@princen632 yup, and still nintendo puts bangers that barely have gameplay too like animal crossing, is more management, grinding and time gated stuff yet is one of the big games, thats why hoyo is making its own animal crossing they understand their demographics, if they nail animal crossing but without needing to pay nintendo online with better interactions they already won in the mobile market
If you are burnt out on Genshin and open world there's not much reason to play Wuwa, I dropped it after a month. Wuwa have updated and more refreshing combat mechanics vs Genshin, and also graphics. But everything else is pretty much the same as Genshin, and the story is pretty generic and both the plot, ost and VA is definitely not superior to Genshin. The combat was fun for about 2-3 weeks, and then it got boring for me because I'm on playing for the combat but I have zero investment in the story, character and the world building. Wuwa is still a good game, but unless you are obsessed with the combat mechanics and less anime-like designs, then there's no strong reason to play Wuwa.
i never understood why so many people shit all over zzz. i get if you dont like it or would rather play another gacha game but the amount of complaining i heard about zzz made me feel like i was crazy for liking it so much. the game hit the ground running and has a bright future
When HSR came out, people hated it about why it is not an open world like Genshin, when WuWa came people hated it because it's just another Genshin clone, when ZZZ came people hated it because of the TV system and not being fully open world like those two game
Respect your preferences; unfortunately a lot of these game communities absolutely hate neutral stances on game preferences and would rather force them to take a side lol. Despite all the doomposting, I think WuWa is actually doing a pretty good job considering this is still their highest earning game right now. Yes, they still got a long way to go for improvements in many aspects of the game, but it's clear there has been progress in a lot of those departments. It was really no surprise that ZZZ will be the top earning, and it's also clear that their devs know that the game still has issues and are fixing them, thus the developer's note at the end of their 1.1 stream. All in all, both games are going to improve, as long as they both stay on track.
Remember in Genshin 3rd years Latern rite gave 3 wishes? Honkai Star Rail gave 5* characters while Genshin gave never that in standard players community anymore. Hoyoverse start scum players popularity in Genshin put to new games. Hoyo used funds from Star Rail into Genshin never part who people play Genshin earn revenue boost Genshin sale Nahida and Xianyun
I finally got to see this shit storm first hand. I watched the zzz 1.1 livestream and I wish i didn't watch the official stream. The Wuwa community basically flooded the stream with toxicity and vulger remarks and kept spamming anything to insult anyone who had an interest in ZZZ. completely ruining it for me. As someone who likes to be part of a community and always comments and likes to be part of it. It was really unfortunate. I dont hate Wuwa as a game, but its community has made me completely discard that game for any hope of healthy competition.
10:58 There's no way bro is out here looking at almost $100M in revenue and going "it's actually not a success", "it might even be a bit of a failure".
ZZZ is my first gacha, and it's about the characters/world to me. Spot on, i want to complete stuff, but like, i want my team with the characters i like, so im willing to spend money on it. Really excited for the next part of the story. your arguments are sound my dude.
Same, dude. 100% right. I love the story, and I love the world, and I love the characters. Because of that, I spend a little money to show my appreciation and get a bit more out of it, (specifically the characters I wanted simply because I like them).
Going by the reaction to the August event....it's going to be up in top 4 again. So many of their players do mention playing Hoyo and Kuro games (I've never seen so many people mad about Scar onigiri nerf). It's a joke but there's definitely a sliver to truth to LaDS is starting to take from the big 3's spending players.
@randomperson4198 Didn't really jump that high. It's been in #3 spot most of the time since release. The lowest it ranked was 6. New husbando card released. And with the event trailer they just released looks like LaDS going to be in top 4 again for Aug.
As a 100% hardcore gacha player that specifically plays meta. I 100% agree with your take on character. People aren't like me that want to optimize the game and understand the deeper mechanics/exploit for bigger rewards. People just want to play with their characters and that is a huge selling point of gacha. Hoyo just has it on lock in terms of how to sell characters. Also just wanted to level with my Jade take. It seemed like everyone just disliked Jade. From kit to personality a lot of people discussing how she was morally evil character and not someone they liked. To me however her kit was at best a Herta improvement (or side grade) she wasn't particularity interesting and getting stacks with her made her very difficult to use outside pure fiction. This was exemplified with how E1 jade is needed in modes that don't have more then 5 enemies since her FUA is so SLOW even compared to Himeko's.; She is a niche unit with a rather controversial personality. Bad for sells on both ends. UNLESS you're in desperate need for a pure fiction character.
Honestly Smack point makes no fucking sense If you remove ZZZ there is no way in hell that with the same banners Genshin and HSR magically make 96 more millions I can’t take his reasoning seriously even for a second because the premise is so goddamn unreasonable
he didnt even take into account bad months, he is comparing the best sold banners like firefly acheron, on slow months genshin and hsr combined do 70-80m on mobile so this revenue for a slow month is way better at 160m+ of course gachasmack pretending every banner is firefly and acheron is idiotic, both current patches are slow and genshin had 2 reruns banners together in a month, the new character is rolling on second half of this month, the navia rerun got counted together with 2nd half sigewinne/rerun of previous patch for this revenue charts, is still hilarious that wuwa dropped the ball with changli and jinshi the supposed archon/adeptus tier characters of the region and could not beat genshin on 2 rerun banners combined with natlan hype savings, how much you bet wuwa does half of this month or less next time, their next 2 characters are looking mid af on design, if changli one of the supposed most hyped characters sold less than yinlin and yinshi theres no way the new mid characters sell half of her unless they are absolutely meta breaking.
Don't know, that Gacha Smack argument feels like someone who was surprised they were wrong about something, and instead of accepting it or learning out why, they researched it in order to justify to themselves that they were never wrong in the first place.
GachaSmack: "nobody play Wuwa on mobile, a lot play on PC so the revenue is there" And so does Hoyo games, if u count the revenue of PC and console ot still won't even close
I'm wondering why people thought ZZZ wasn't going to do well. Isn't the game aimed at the casual market? You know, the BIGGEST market. Personally I'm more surprised WW is so far up on the list. I didn't think it was received that well. And yeah Genshin 100% needs to see another open world ARPG "beat" it in terms of revenue. If that happens maybe the F2P experience finally improves.
Because you have big content creators like Asmon and Mtrash calling ZZZ a flop/ dead on arrival game? And why would you be surprised about Wuwa when they have two of their most hyped waifus coming out but for some reason, they still lost half of their revenue
@@AespaKatarina maybe cuz jinhsi came on 28th so ~50% of her revenue was counted to last month, and changlis 3rd and 4th day werent counted to the global revenue? lol
People playing ZZZ on casual mode are still dropping $$ on this game. It's cute without being too childish. Also being able to build relationships with Agents pulled (and inky) just adds another dynamic worth playing.
Hoyo just showed everyone they now have three games players are willing to spend $100,000,000+ on in a single month. Jade banner in HSR and pre-Natlan GI was never going to make $100,000,000 extra if ZZZ wasn't around.
And to think that after the 1.1 livestream reveal that this is a new team's first game lmao Gacha Smack's take was just taken out the trash just with that alone. A new team rivaling HSR and GI in their release month alone looks like a huge success to me lol his cause-and-effect argument is such an L(mao)
Its weird to see the smear campaign against ZZZ then have Wuwa b3 the most protected game. Agree love of the characters and World is what sells and there is no actual love for Wuwa as much as Hoyogames. Clearly. I'm sure there is but yeah wuwa has a tough time selling characters
"They have the same audience" that would be like saying that SF, DMC and RE games got the same audience as well just because Capcom is making all of these. They can potentially have the same audience (SF player might enjoy DMC or RE, etc.), and part of it can be because Capcom is making these so they check out other IPs, but these are ultimately way different games, with completely different genres, appealing to different tastes. So saying that Genshin, HSR and ZZZ are the same audience couldn't be further from true. They might share the same audience due to these games being made by the same company, but on average, Genshin player will not be attracted to HSR or ZZZ just because Hoyo made it. It might make them check it out, but nothing says that they will like it/be there to stay because what these games offer, isn't same to what Genshin (the game that they like) does. There has to be a correlation more in audience's tastes in what they enjoy, rather than the same company uniting everyone together (if this was a thing, Hi3 wouldn't do as that badly compared to other Hoyo's IPs). In fact, I've seen way more "union" between Genshin or HSR players with WuWa ones against ZZZ than some sort of "Hoyo brotherhood" for ZZZ just because they are from the same company. Enough said.
What if I told you he actually believes that? He has the Destiny 2 microtransaction mindset/grind. So its completely reasonable. You are either uninformed or just that oblivious, probably because the gacha community is fixated on this "coom" fest swiping on characters. Not defending anything, but you guys are ironically doing the same thing he does, taking things at face value.
Whether you like the game or not, It was clear to everyone except some CCs that ZZZ would easily top the charts this month. For starters, this is mihoyo were talking about so it was unlikely for the game to flop on release after all that successful marketing and, more importantly, ZZZ, not only, is fairly unique in the gacha market rn with its gameplay and aesthetics but it also has a great foundation to build and improve further down the line. I think it all comes down to sunk cost fallacy with some of these CCs (and fans too tbf) which exacerbates into tribalism between communities and pointless feuds and rivalries. Anyway, I agree with your takes.
a lot of people miss the fact that the real «dark horse» and «genshin killer» is actually “Love and Deepspace”😅 if the developers will release another hot man, all the women's money will go to them again…
I'd say the page on 9:26 tells all the story. They know how to market this virtual characters through their personalities. If I can slide into k-pop side of the world, it's similar in some degrees. People "top-up" albums and merch bcs they like their music and above all the personalities shown in their contents, otherwise ppl just casually "f2p" the music in yt or spfy.
Yo lace back with new video! I can say that zzz is my fav game now and i agree what you said about wuwa . Combat in zzz really makes me dislikes other gacha combat . Zzz spoiled me that bad . But still i play all of them . Always love hearing your takes.
All those cc curious why their stream doesnt pull the number while keep demonizing the player base. If that is not definition of stupidity, idk what it is.
I was tired playing Genshin for 3 years, and tried to play WuWa only to realise I’m done with open world, and deleted it. I was actually skeptical with ZZZ but when I tried it, it was actually fun. The theme and music is 🔥. The animation is fluid af, and am liking the comic panel style. And mostly as a casual it doesn’t take too much of my time. One more thing, you can take your waifus on a date. Lol it’s a plus for me. Had to buy Ellen and Zhu for that.
Anyone can make a 3D anime looking character, but barely anyone can bring those characters to life and make us feel interested in them or their story. Mihoyo is good at that, I agree.
Zenless Zone Zero feels like reinvented Honkai impact 3rd with children size body better meta and dupes men are garbage damage dealer treat just Honkai old game qte hack and slash no feelings the game when direct to money focused much like Genshin endgame
I dont have any idea on gacha smack's word of zzz's problem. ZZZ only capture hoyo's old audience once again and fail to capture new ones is just simply false. I am sure there are new players tried zzz as their first hoyo games despite very few of them only. He points out in the end that this is just to keep hoyo's revenue on the high more often by cycling which has good and dead patches. My problem is........ what is the problem with that ?
Because ZZZ was meant to capture a new audience. That’s how you grow a company. If all it did was capture the same audience, then they’re paying for 3 games to capture the audience of 2 if that makes any sense. If ZZZ captured a new audience, it exposes them to their other games meaning more potential profits. Keep in mind, he’s looking at this from an objective view which people like you have a hard time doing.
@@TacticalDimples I dont think that only capturing the same audience is a sign of failure. I am sure the zzz give hoyo some new players too, but idk how much compared to old players. I simply think from this revenue is fine, like really fine for zzz and hoyo even if they fail to get single new player. But I am sure some of this revenue coming from those new players too. Well even if we talk about game's success and failure based on how many new players, then zzz is even better than hsr since hsr is a turn based game, and turn based game's fanbase arent exactly that much compared to open world or H&S (as far as I know at least)
In my view he just want to find something to bash on Hoyo. And somehow do BS equation like it is math problem. We dont even know how many new people play and spend on the games. Maybe there are more new player, maybe not. Consistenly get 150m revenue for a year (1.8b) is much impressive than 100m the highest, 20m the lowest.. maybe avg of 40m per month (480m per year). Also the way he said Kuro is winning because from 2m per month of PGR rise up to 20m per month because of WuWa.... It also applied to Genshin with HI3 smh
i realised that mtashed, the bald narcissist and the other slop are just not my thing anymore. hate this simping shit thats going on in these communities aswell. Glad the games do well but god do these ppl annoy me lmao
I think you are exactly right about this. It applies to me at least! I don’t pay on gacha games. I generally go free to play as much as I can. But I’ve been having such a blast on ZZZ for literally every single day since I started, I actually felt a little bad that I got a month’s worth of seriously quality gameplay and am just mooching off with it, so I decided I’d show my personal appreciation and fork over $15 for the monthly and the battle pass. (It also helped that that money directly went toward the 300-pull standard banner so I got to pick out Nekomata.) But that’s the thing, right? I didn’t give Hoyo $15 because I needed it to beat Shiyu or whatever. I did it because I’m having fun. You’re right, there are people out there who don’t like fantasy, who like punk urban settings. That’s me. I don’t like open worlds. I find almost all of them to be incredibly boring and time consuming for no reason. ZZZ doesn’t waste my time with that. It gives me the great story I want with these awesome characters I love, and it’s as simple as that. That’s why ZZZ made money.
lmao, Pokke got owned ahah. True the guy is a professional at yapping but also saying nothing, at the same time. What got me to like ZZZ was the aesthetics, and music. Then thecombat and the satisfying parry sound, story and yes, even TV (in some parts of the game, I think is important to have and it's fun). I like your take and I think you're right.
Genshin: "OMG... Our shark girl is in danger and this Emilie is looking broken... but my fav CC said she is easy skip, what is going on?" HSR: "Thank god i can save my pulls now... dude, they need to slow down this broken units... wait... i forgot to pull the LC... i'm dead" ZZZ: "Genshin player will not understand, we have negative edge. We are better. WuWa combat is not a fighting game. Fighting games are superior. Daylies are 1s to complete. You don't have ME, YOU DON'T HAVE ME! This game respect your time, you don't even need to play it. Just click and done. You can go play... WAIT, NO! DON'T DO IT, Test your skills in this real fight game. Train your Negative edge" WuWa: "Genshin.... genshin.... genshin... genshin.... genshin... genshin.... genshin... genshin.... free character. S... Y... Genshin players, we are better Genshin."
I played a little bit of genshin when it came out 1.0, but I left because open world games are not really my thing generally. ZZZ is way more up my alley.
Your take matches my experience 100%. I'm a FIRST-TIME hoyoverse player, so the cannibalization theory doesn't apply to me. I'm spending on ZZZ because I want to support the game. It's fun to play! As to why it had such a great launch month, I think that's down to brilliant marketing with a huge budget. That's how they hooked me. The trailers and cutscene clips are amazing. The art-style is fresh and Persona-familiar at the same time. The animation is god tier -- watch a pro animator break down story mode cutscenes, it's eye opening. Mihoyo spared no expense on the quality of cutscenes. I will agree with the critics that the low streaming hours to date may become a problem for future growth. Many creators have commented on how the game is fun to play, but not fun to watch. Which is a pity, since so much budget went into animating the moveset and effects of combat. Fast-paced action for the fun of it achieved, but unless you frame-by-frame a VOD replay, it all goes by too fast to appreciate when watching a livestream.
One reason why I don’t care about statistics and other stuff it’s more of seeing the game and the way it animated. Yeah I whaled hard on Zhu (because I wanted her for other reasons) was not because of her it’s because of the world of Zenless. I like the puzzles in the TVs, I like the over world activities you can do and interact with the characters and I love the combat. One thing is for certain is that breaks need to be taken because one will get burnt out. Plus you can tell Hoyo really cares about the world of ZZZ from characters to the setting of it. I just love it
Honestly, everything going on right now is just stupid as a player of both Hoyo and Kuro games. Kuro will never beat any Hoyoverse because of their really cheap money needed to max out a character and their weapon (about 1/3 of genshin or so) + the optimization on mobile need to be worked on again so they can retain more mobile players. ZZZ might not be as fun in terms of combat but its still fun for me and the story and characters are solid enough for me to stick the suffering i had to endure in TV mode and loading here and there even if its a short one. People should just enjoy their own game and if they don't, it's fine. Nobody likes everything anyway. But as an old PGR player, seeing Wuwa making millions when Kuro used to be making way less is enough for me to be happy for the company.
Kuro is also bad at marketing. Hoyo went all out to promote Zzz that's why it's so successful. Kuro barely do any marketing. Only the first week of launch I see Wuwa ads on the internet 🙃
The ending of this video reminds me of the last harry potter game that came out. The game was good and im sure many people would enjoy it more than I did but I just couldnt enjoy the game like others did. The game did nothing wrong, just wasnt for me and I never finished it.
In fact, you should be grateful because there is a Genshin breakthrough in gacha games, the standard of gacha games in the current era has increased significantly with the diversity and advantages of each... now mobile developers are rushing to make games with very significant quality 👏
zzz is a great game i think these guys should play games like dark souls or elde ring if they want a challenge this bad gacha games r meant 2 be chill and if i want a challenge i play sekiro or elden ring
To be fair there is a market for it, but Zzz never marketed it as such, they just have their expectations in the wrong place, it's like dating a poor guy and expecting him to have a rich family
CC'S are hungry for a game that has endless hard content so they can make endless content out of it. Not to mention they have families to feed so they resort to shitty drama videos and hot takes to engage their audience since they cant make anything out of these games. Sadly it works. This era of content creation is weird and exhausting. I think a lot of these CC's need to find real work, cause this is unsustainable.
Why are people surprised that it made that much money? Well, when you have big content creators like Asmon, Mtashed, and all of these Wuwa meatriders, doomposting the sht out of this game for no good reason, yeah you would think that a lot of players will be discouraged to try it out and even spend money on it. Like, i sht you not, i've been checkin out Zenless videos on yt to understand the game more, but their comment section always has Wuwa fanboys doomposting/ hatewatching.
At least someone has a level-minded take on this. Honestly I just don't understand why people get so heated about this, and even if they are, people's ability to actually logically analyze *why* the numbers are what they are is shockingly poor. Most of these numbers were pretty expected, at least you could've made a rough estimate along similar lines, and you can do the same for the coming months too just looking at banner popularities and release timings as well as what potential external factors might affect them. At the end of the day Hoyo is the biggest player in this industry and that's not changing anytime soon.
From my understanding hoyo wanted to make their games patch cycle to support each other. When one games is having dry content period another hoyo game would release a huge update which would keep the hoyo games ecosystem evergreen and players would shift from game to game or just play their prefered game while hoyo makes reliable bank from players as they would play hoyo games instead of playing games from competing companies.
meta chasers are in an echochamber surrounded by other metachasers thats why they cant fathom casuals login in for fun and minigames, casuals are not present on the internet communities interacting about meta and numbers, if they do they are watching fun shorts or cosplays, metachasers dont understand what the minigames are there for, they are to focused on making every game an esport and forget actual working people exist that pays for the game, the casuals working 8 hours a day is the one paying for this game not the im "f2p btw" minmaxer le abyss 12 autismo.
Well oshi culture is not for everyone, so they always care abou big damage and the character is op or not. If you watch japanese streamer a lot of the puling for character untill c6, e6, or m6 based on they liked the character or not and always use them while western comunity always making videos about how shitty this character dmg etc. Gacha games started from Japan because the oshi culture in form of gachapon so the essence of gacha game is pulling what you want, because it's no necessity.
I literally M6 Ellen just bcs I don't feel like playing if I don't have my wolf daddy (he's the only reason I took interest in this game in the first place) but don't have the time or energy to reroll and can't bring myself to spend paid currency on standard banner. Got him after Ellen got to M5 so I was like f this, I'll just M6 her then...so...yeah, meta was never the only reason for why ppl whale in gacha games, esp in hoyo games where the difficulty was never that high. And yeah, despite playing a lot of games, GachaSmack still only look at the numbers and not the game itself. Dunno if he still plays HSR (I stop watching him after he did this exact same thing back with Genshin 4.0, talking big about revenue while not looking at the actual banners), but if he did, all he really need to ask to get the answer for why HSR was doing worse is simple "Do you genuinely believe Jade and Yunli banner can actually even half as well as Firefly and Ruan Mei?" I'm not surprised it went down by that much bcs weren't they all meta slaves calling Firefly and Ruan Mei a must-have while Jade, Argenti, Yunli and Huohuo are ez skip? And story-wise, who has the most impact to players out of those three? It's the same for Genshin bcs the only real banners in Genshin last month was Navia and Nilou reruns. Sigewinne and Furina's sale peak was in June too, so obviously it'll do far less. And it's ZZZ launch month, so of course they'll bring in big bucks. So dunno why he's even surprised with that.
Amazing content as always Mr. Lace Man, Mtashed should just go back to destiny. He is just forced to do content for gacha games lol. Gacha smack out here coping and seething cuz wuwa lost to love and deepspace.😌 I wont lie when I say that I trust SEA and CN content creators when it comes to their takes in gacha games than whatever bumass cc you have in North america or whatever.
Content creator sucks now . They need to dislike the game so that they can get views . Clickbaits is unbearable. Revenue tells everything about the game .
Hell yeah! I'm so sick of open world games, I'm completely burnt out from playing them for over a decade. I played Genshin since it came out, I liked it but as soon as I finished the main stories I left it, there is nothing more boring than exploring empty environments or being a messenger, for that I installed the current triple A game with better graphics or I open the damn Zelda totk or RDR2 that I bought since launch and still don't touch 😭
There’s no better feeling than finally getting the character you’ve been wanting, trying them out, and then discovering that they’re so good that they’re actually kinda broken!
Hsr and gi did not mesh with me at all but i have been loving zzz. A big thing for me is the fact that its not open world and it's story. It has a WAY better story than other hoyo games to me. Actually madesld me invested
Btw, it’s not that other companies don’t spend money into marketing, it’s that that they cant to the extent that a Hoyoverse does. Hoyoverse pretty much ruined our expectations of what to expect lmao. They are the absolute exception.
"the free 5*s in wuwa" i always see this argument but it doesn't make any sense bc these free 5*s were standard and barely anyone would spend money for a standard character. people spend money on limited stuff. and yes, i agree. hoyo is just rly good at creating characters, not just design but also giving them a unique personality you remember and start getting attached to. and i also agree with you on wuwa: as much as i like the game, the combat and how they improved a lot of stuff when it comes to quality of life stuff.. there is not a single character i'm attached to right now. and i think that's the part where hoyo is good at. and the reason why i always come back to hoyo games despite some of the flaws their games, especially genshin, have
just to be veeeerrrrrrryyyyyyyyy clear btw, i only have mad respect for all of these content creators. i just disagree with some of the things they said.
@@vexrswaggy4554 ya, I used to watch his video in the past but I instantly stopped following his channel once he start making "nuclear drama" for most of his video content.
@@f.b.lagent1113 don't know much about him so I had no comment. he started doing that when Genshin drama begin & that where he started added "nuclear drama" when something happen. I guess maybe he now had too much time to watch those drama after resign from well paid full time job for full time streamer.
Aside from whales whos gonna pull for c6/e6, not everyone spend for waifu factor. Some spenders (those who stopped at c2/e2) are just too easy to be baited by dmg numbers eventho they dont really need it, or maybe they want to make the game easier despite it
I’m a causal player, I do spend in Genshin. Playing for over 3 years and still enjoy it. The Characters are more drawn out and I do love some of them. I did start ZZZ but have not been playing as I prefer open world. Play HSR and do invest in Characters I like and I consider strong and good at what they do. Play WuWa and did spend when it came out, to get a strong start. Not spending now just saving. I do not care much for the WuWa Characters in general and I do not like or enjoy the WuWa open world as much as the Genshin open world. Genshin is still my main game, and when I spend it is mostly in Genshin….
I wanted to like ZZZ but I get too much of an ick that all they try to do is to pander to gooners. I'm fine with some characters being sexy, but if it's the main selling point for all of them I'm bored 😭 if there are no characters you're looking forward to pull, gacha is dead
So long as the game you like is making enough money to get more money invested back into it, it doesn't really matter what it's revenue is. There's no actual difference for the players if wuthering makes 30 mill or 100 mill. So there's no real point getting this invested. As for Jade not doing well in star rail, it's just because she came out right after firefly.
Nowadays, the quality of a product often doesnt really matter anymore. As long as u successfully force the majority of the market to accept mediocre product as something normal or (even great in some cases), u alrdy won. Your consumer will defend your mediocre product to death, n even seeing quality, better products from your competitors as threats so they will attack them in order to protect their sense of normalcy, to convince themselves that the mediocre product they have invested a lot of time, energy, or money is a good one. That's the fact. There r always some exceptions but this is how things work in many industries.
Remember though that the "successfully force" part also requires a skill of marketing strategy to pull, ONLY when you have the effort, skill and knowledge to do that is when product quality not carrying everything on its own.
The only thing I care about that list is to know if my game is going to EOS soon. It happens to me whe Snowbreak was pretty down there, know I'm pretty relieved because it's going good. What game is the first, teje sexond or whatever it doesn't matter at all. Of course Im pretty happy ZZZ is making good just because that means the game I enjoy lots has a lots of time life.
I just hope Wuwa makes enough to continue to improve the game. Bc I love combat and Wuwa is definitely my niche. Idgaf if Hoyo games make more, as long as Wuwa is making a healthy profit idc
I am one of those people who don't like openworld so ZZZ is pretty much made for me. So yeah, this is like my first full blown Mihoyo game.
Same here
I liked open world before but i got bored of them. And here iam loving and glazing these games HSR and ZZZ
I still keep up with genshin here and there but i hate WuWa with passion.
@@hank-609 thank you Hank
lowkey same got tired of genshin but will still play their new patch when it releases cause story is a banger but let's be fr here open world really isn't my thing lmao.
i do love open world game but not gacha. Open world and gacha doesnt mash well for me. I did try wuwa but other than combat i dislike everything in the games. Other than a bit of parkor, treversing in wuwa is boring. Its really weird that no one ever talk about how stiff grapling hook mechanic in wuwa. Music, story and dialog is okay at best.
MTashed is just a hostage in this community😄 He is not a weeb, he doesnt simp, he hates how gachas work. He just for some reason made content at the start of Genshin, blew up, and now is forced to sit here cause of money😁 So I'm not surprised on the one hand that he doesnt understand, but at the same time after all these years, man... how?🤔
He's like that one guy who you talked to once and he automatically thinks you guys are best friends.
the recently popular term “tourist” fits very well, he’s not a “hostage” at all, no one is holding him at bay, he’s simply forcing himself to get in on the money
GachaSmack and Brax is somewhat like him in other ways(doesn’t read any story, no anime-simping, and idk if he’s a weeb) likely because they have family and not quite comfortable feeling invested in those things even if it helps connecting with audience or even if it’s acting
for MTashed though I’m convinced he’s actually just that much of boomer and a gameplay-bro tryhard CC
these games doesn’t just rely on gameplay, they invest just as much if not more in world-experience, if these CCs don’t enjoy or at least seem to enjoy the games and their full package then how dont they get not majority would relate with them?
@@f.b.lagent1113 Don't know much about Brax, but I got the feeling that GachaSmack seems to be into anime? But in any case, I'm not sure why it wouldn't be comfortable to be into those things. Just as in any regular media you have anime and anime inspired games for all ages and interests.
I watched him back in the Destiny 2 days and man it just seems like the dude is not happy with anything
"after all these years". Exactly. Even though he kinda happened to become a gacha content creator by chance, he should have most of this shit figured out by now. Yet he doesn't seem to learn.
Facts my brother, spit your shit indeed!
Western CCs doom posting about ZZZ is hilarious. But it's obvious that they are also trying to stir up a divide between WuWa and ZZZ. I play both games and it's annoying to see them shit talk ZZZ just because they play WuWa.
Engagement farming is what it all is. Gotta keep the lights on.
It's in fact very annoying.
They are CC's they gotta keep the lights on somehow doesn't help that we were at a dry patch on HSR, Wuwa, and Genshin + how non drama based ZZZ content didn't do all too well in the views department.
Fr, is it a Westerner's inherited habit? Even the Asian westerner gacha CCs like IWTL, okCode, Sevy doesn't farm drama.
I kinda hate the "whatever keeps the light on" reasoning, the big CCs that stir up drama aren't gonna suddenly be poor if they don't stir up shit.
my guy your a GODSENT. hopefully more people watch your video and finally understand the simple things that are being overlook.
Dumb CCs be like: "game didn't pull views for me..dead game"
When in reality, they're just boring to watch in general
I'm surprised by the fact that people don't seem to accept that a game these days doesn't need to have an open world. A lot of people before HSR's release (and even during the first month) were writing it off as a boring game for not having an open world and being a turn-based game. You would think that with the resounding success of HSR that idea would have faded away, but history repeated itself with ZZZ calling the game bad and many even calling it a failure during its first week of release.
Genshin did a lot for the gacha world in general, but it also doomed that world to set open worlds as the standard, and anything that doesn't live up to that will be seen as inferior.
Literally my two fav games are turn-based (HSR and E7), so there are lots of people with taste like me out there.
not every game is open world either the people asking for it has only played wuwa and genshin for sure lmao even elden ring was a first for fromsoftware too the rest of the games are very linear, all the top games on twitch are not open world only gta5 and minecraft, the rest are pvp mobas etc, from all gachas only tof genshin and wuwa are open world so why would any gacha want to be another open world? tof already flopped so is not that open world warranties success, wuwa already dropping despite having its 2 best banners, i dont know how the 2 most hyped characters at launch did less than yinlin, a lot of people did quit in a month, look at the game that output wuwa too, a dating simulator, turn battler ,a card like game with turns too and fgo almost does it too despite being only big in japan, so their argument about le open world doesnt even work is about how fun is to play or what your goals are ingame, naruto is huge and the game has mid gameplay, it feels like a web event from genshin legit.
HSR is still a very boring gacha 90% of the time, the reason I'm still on it is bc I can idle that while playing other games and wait HSR for new story/events
Even as a Meta Player I agree with you, but people need to stop thinking "ZZZ is Easy", dude didn't even played Shiyu Defense and Hollow Zero and thinks the game is easy because the tutorial was easy 💀
MFs did the Tutorial quest thinking that's the whole game.
Like, at least clear out Shiyu or Hollow defense first
but the game is easy though 😂
@@jjeller9625 have you cleared Hollow Zero Intensity 11? How bout Shiyu Defense?
@@AespaKatarina With longer play it will get easier, just because something is hard now doesn't mean it will stay that way. Gacha games are designed to make things easier as time goes on. Remember when Abyss was pretty hard? Now look at it people sniff Abyss like coke. Intensity 11 is giving yourself debuffs making the game somewhat more difficult and is a completely optional thing.
@@jjeller9625how much did you spend?
I actually respect your voice Lace, it's perfectly fine to call out these creators, you are too polite my guy.
Lucky these guys aren't on CN or JP, the community there isn't soft like the global one
@haruyanto8085 they attempted to murder the mihoyo ceo over bunny skins
And the fans prevented hi3 from adding any male characters
Ppl in cn community killing cats over scaramouche
They just get mad over different things
I dont know why mtashed keeps complaining about ZZZ if he doesnt enjoy the game. Just dont play it then
He does this with every game, it's a trend
His complaint is not that he doesn't enjoy the game. He enjoys it, but his complaint is that it os not fun to watch. So, basically, he is blaming the game for his boring personality.
He complain he dont get view playing zzz when he dont like the game. Did he expect people gonna watch him with that kind behavior ?
How long these clwn playing these youtuber game now 😭
TBH I don’t get why all this CC’s never get that gachas are casual games. Games that you play daily for a bit and then log off, only playing more on mayor story updates or stuff like that, that is why people like them. That is why people love HSR auto fighting, so it grinds for you and you can do dailies faster.
CC’s want more, want gachas to be difficult like Wuwa, but I think a lot of people don’t look for that in gachas. If they wanted difficulty they would buy elden ring or whatever. One plays gachas because of characters or because of how casual they are and then because the gameplay and story are enjoyable.
This is why I don’t think a game like Wuwa, that requires a lot of time investment will ever do as well as a less time consuming game like HSR in the gacha realm, because it’s much easier to keep up and do everything, from dailies to story faster than Wuwa.
At least that is the way I see it and why HSR is my favorite gacha and I don’t play Wuwa anymore.
I share your opinion.
I after 2 versions, I got tired of WuWa and honestly the only complicated thing are the holograms and the rest is Genshin level because they die very quickly if you are already well equipped. The problem of being well equipped is its echo system because I find it tiring to go to farm around the map because it takes more than 40 mins and if you don't get the substats you want, you have to repeat the same route the next day. I have Changli half armed but I'm waiting for the monthly login to finish and uninstall WuWa.
And with GS argument, he says it like these people from Hoyo community, ''Hoyoshills'' so to say, are going to spend on their other games just because they are part of the community. Just cause they support the company. No one does that, money dont grow on trees. If I didnt like the game I'm not going to spend on it, Hoyo or not. So if people threw 96 mil at them - they liked the game. That is success, simple as that. Otherwise, without ZZZ, Hoyo would earn 72 mil this month, maybe a couple mil more. Others would go to WuWa or other games
Don't bother, a fitness trainer's take on profit margins, market and revenue is dubious as expected.
TLDR for the CCs
Hard games - Top 1
EZ games - Bankruptcy
I'm one of those that would love to play WuWa, but I dropped it after a month because of IRL time constraints. That and I don't feel like I'm ready to pass on Genshin because I don't feel accomplished there just yet, and with Natlan releasing soon I will be wanting to keep up. Tbh I really like the concept of WuWa's world, but I really only liked one or two characters there so I didn't feel as attached.
ZZZ though I've appreciated because it essentially carries you through its modes via progressing the story. I know that's not as favorable to some, but as a casual this eliminated searching or grinding I would have otherwise needed to do. Currently lv38 just playing a few stages per day and using battery as desired.
this is pretty much the final fantasy 14 experience, everything is locked behind story and same in wow, you cant enter dungeons etc, coming from those games after 4k in ff14 and like 12 in wow this game didnt feel bad at all but i can see your point, i always come back to story rich games with good characters never to good gameplay games with bad world or characters, gameplay alone cant carry the game if you aint invested in the world, like he mention blue archive barely has gameplay and so is uma musume or fgo, yet they do a lot of money, if they complain about genshin and hsr not having as much gameplay they would cry playing the rest of gachas, nikke is an autobattle simulator, you either clear with power or dont, is rare the time you can influence battles doing it manually and everything revolves around top tier units/power, low tier units cant clear endgame is very p2w.
This comment is pretty much how i feel. I like wuwa, but i dont feel like playing since im not finished with genshin and didnt want to feel like playing it all over again.
@@CzDelta92This⬆️
I think cc's who complains about gameplay in any gacha games are just dick riding them because there's money. Most of the time they don't even know gacha games that came out 8 years ago hell hi3 is barely even mentioned when comparing about hoyo games.
If they want gameplay, then why don't they just cover games that actually prioritize gameplay. Nintendo exist, capcom exist.
@@princen632 yup, and still nintendo puts bangers that barely have gameplay too like animal crossing, is more management, grinding and time gated stuff yet is one of the big games, thats why hoyo is making its own animal crossing they understand their demographics, if they nail animal crossing but without needing to pay nintendo online with better interactions they already won in the mobile market
If you are burnt out on Genshin and open world there's not much reason to play Wuwa, I dropped it after a month.
Wuwa have updated and more refreshing combat mechanics vs Genshin, and also graphics. But everything else is pretty much the same as Genshin, and the story is pretty generic and both the plot, ost and VA is definitely not superior to Genshin.
The combat was fun for about 2-3 weeks, and then it got boring for me because I'm on playing for the combat but I have zero investment in the story, character and the world building.
Wuwa is still a good game, but unless you are obsessed with the combat mechanics and less anime-like designs, then there's no strong reason to play Wuwa.
Gacha players and making the game they are playing their entire identity, name a more iconic duo.
Chicken and Egg
Bread and butter. Meat and potatoes.
i never understood why so many people shit all over zzz. i get if you dont like it or would rather play another gacha game but the amount of complaining i heard about zzz made me feel like i was crazy for liking it so much. the game hit the ground running and has a bright future
When HSR came out, people hated it about why it is not an open world like Genshin, when WuWa came people hated it because it's just another Genshin clone, when ZZZ came people hated it because of the TV system and not being fully open world like those two game
@@1Apex_LegendProMaster007 people just want to complain all the time
Respect your preferences; unfortunately a lot of these game communities absolutely hate neutral stances on game preferences and would rather force them to take a side lol.
Despite all the doomposting, I think WuWa is actually doing a pretty good job considering this is still their highest earning game right now. Yes, they still got a long way to go for improvements in many aspects of the game, but it's clear there has been progress in a lot of those departments.
It was really no surprise that ZZZ will be the top earning, and it's also clear that their devs know that the game still has issues and are fixing them, thus the developer's note at the end of their 1.1 stream.
All in all, both games are going to improve, as long as they both stay on track.
Remember in Genshin 3rd years Latern rite gave 3 wishes? Honkai Star Rail gave 5* characters while Genshin gave never that in standard players community anymore. Hoyoverse start scum players popularity in Genshin put to new games. Hoyo used funds from Star Rail into Genshin never part who people play Genshin earn revenue boost Genshin sale Nahida and Xianyun
@@arocomisgamusclademork1603 From what i remember HSR won the mobile award at that time so thats why theres a free 5*
@@valt4462 Genshin got award no free 5* character
@@arocomisgamusclademork1603they gave more than 3 summons for the 3rd anniversary this misinformation needs to stop.
@@Dinofrogg not misinformation, it's official never gave free 5* character in celebrate not Aloy exist constellation anymore
I finally got to see this shit storm first hand. I watched the zzz 1.1 livestream and I wish i didn't watch the official stream. The Wuwa community basically flooded the stream with toxicity and vulger remarks and kept spamming anything to insult anyone who had an interest in ZZZ. completely ruining it for me. As someone who likes to be part of a community and always comments and likes to be part of it. It was really unfortunate. I dont hate Wuwa as a game, but its community has made me completely discard that game for any hope of healthy competition.
10:58 There's no way bro is out here looking at almost $100M in revenue and going "it's actually not a success", "it might even be a bit of a failure".
ZZZ is my first gacha, and it's about the characters/world to me. Spot on, i want to complete stuff, but like, i want my team with the characters i like, so im willing to spend money on it.
Really excited for the next part of the story. your arguments are sound my dude.
Same, dude. 100% right. I love the story, and I love the world, and I love the characters. Because of that, I spend a little money to show my appreciation and get a bit more out of it, (specifically the characters I wanted simply because I like them).
Actual intellectual CC!! No inciting drama, no ass-umptions, all facts. I hope you dont one day get involved in CC drama. 😅
These people treating revenue charts as a stock market LMAO huh 😂😂😂😂
not really. It's just nice to see these doomposters proven wrong. Now they're coping hard
Alot of them are all about their agenda
CCs are the one who paraded these revenue charts for content and now its biting them in their backs.
It just proves games like WuWa should EoS alongside with kuro
@@AespaKatarinathey are not proven wrong yet. Let's see in 5 months
Love and deepspace is the true genshin killer KEK
Going by the reaction to the August event....it's going to be up in top 4 again. So many of their players do mention playing Hoyo and Kuro games (I've never seen so many people mad about Scar onigiri nerf).
It's a joke but there's definitely a sliver to truth to LaDS is starting to take from the big 3's spending players.
I really didn't expect any otome game kind of jump so high. What the hell happened there is smt i want to know
@randomperson4198 Didn't really jump that high. It's been in #3 spot most of the time since release. The lowest it ranked was 6. New husbando card released.
And with the event trailer they just released looks like LaDS going to be in top 4 again for Aug.
@@GLoLChibsdamn. I might miss remember thing then since I didn't see that last time
@randomperson4198 Understandable when most everyone was focused on the GI vs HSR vs WuWa war lol
As a 100% hardcore gacha player that specifically plays meta. I 100% agree with your take on character. People aren't like me that want to optimize the game and understand the deeper mechanics/exploit for bigger rewards. People just want to play with their characters and that is a huge selling point of gacha. Hoyo just has it on lock in terms of how to sell characters.
Also just wanted to level with my Jade take. It seemed like everyone just disliked Jade. From kit to personality a lot of people discussing how she was morally evil character and not someone they liked. To me however her kit was at best a Herta improvement (or side grade) she wasn't particularity interesting and getting stacks with her made her very difficult to use outside pure fiction. This was exemplified with how E1 jade is needed in modes that don't have more then 5 enemies since her FUA is so SLOW even compared to Himeko's.; She is a niche unit with a rather controversial personality. Bad for sells on both ends. UNLESS you're in desperate need for a pure fiction character.
Interestingly, I was the one who needed a PF character hahaha. My first limited erudition character
@Lace
As a PF character she is a GREAT pull. Outside that she is hard to justify if the mode has less then 4 enemies.
Honestly Smack point makes no fucking sense
If you remove ZZZ there is no way in hell that with the same banners Genshin and HSR magically make 96 more millions
I can’t take his reasoning seriously even for a second because the premise is so goddamn unreasonable
A fitness trainer's take on data revenues
He’s saying that it’s a possibility (not a fact) and that the only way we’ll know for sure is in a few months. That’s all.
Actually cant stand that dude, wtf is he even doing playing anime games tbh
he didnt even take into account bad months, he is comparing the best sold banners like firefly acheron, on slow months genshin and hsr combined do 70-80m on mobile so this revenue for a slow month is way better at 160m+ of course gachasmack pretending every banner is firefly and acheron is idiotic, both current patches are slow and genshin had 2 reruns banners together in a month, the new character is rolling on second half of this month, the navia rerun got counted together with 2nd half sigewinne/rerun of previous patch for this revenue charts, is still hilarious that wuwa dropped the ball with changli and jinshi the supposed archon/adeptus tier characters of the region and could not beat genshin on 2 rerun banners combined with natlan hype savings, how much you bet wuwa does half of this month or less next time, their next 2 characters are looking mid af on design, if changli one of the supposed most hyped characters sold less than yinlin and yinshi theres no way the new mid characters sell half of her unless they are absolutely meta breaking.
@@CzDelta92 Kuro will never beat HoYo… it’s like expecting Blackberry to beat Apple lol. Get that Kuro vs HoYo shit out of your head, it’s childish.
Don't know, that Gacha Smack argument feels like someone who was surprised they were wrong about something, and instead of accepting it or learning out why, they researched it in order to justify to themselves that they were never wrong in the first place.
Zzz just has better more full of life characters imo
My boy Lace cooked so hard I had to extinguish myself
GachaSmack: "nobody play Wuwa on mobile, a lot play on PC so the revenue is there"
And so does Hoyo games, if u count the revenue of PC and console ot still won't even close
I'm wondering why people thought ZZZ wasn't going to do well. Isn't the game aimed at the casual market? You know, the BIGGEST market.
Personally I'm more surprised WW is so far up on the list. I didn't think it was received that well.
And yeah Genshin 100% needs to see another open world ARPG "beat" it in terms of revenue. If that happens maybe the F2P experience finally improves.
Because you have big content creators like Asmon and Mtrash calling ZZZ a flop/ dead on arrival game?
And why would you be surprised about Wuwa when they have two of their most hyped waifus coming out but for some reason, they still lost half of their revenue
@@AespaKatarina call out CCs but avoid the drama fuelling, competition is healthy
@@AespaKatarina most people dont care or watch ccs
@@AespaKatarina maybe cuz jinhsi came on 28th so ~50% of her revenue was counted to last month, and changlis 3rd and 4th day werent counted to the global revenue? lol
@@artyur2268 Just accept it, Wuwa popularity is decreasing rapidly, Just look at the overall trends on the internet and use Google trends to see
People playing ZZZ on casual mode are still dropping $$ on this game. It's cute without being too childish. Also being able to build relationships with Agents pulled (and inky) just adds another dynamic worth playing.
Hoyo just showed everyone they now have three games players are willing to spend $100,000,000+ on in a single month. Jade banner in HSR and pre-Natlan GI was never going to make $100,000,000 extra if ZZZ wasn't around.
these new gen of gacha CCs are overhyping Wuwa to kill Hoyo games. Tons of these CCs are making "I hate genshin" their whole personality. Its stupid.
And to think that after the 1.1 livestream reveal that this is a new team's first game lmao Gacha Smack's take was just taken out the trash just with that alone. A new team rivaling HSR and GI in their release month alone looks like a huge success to me lol his cause-and-effect argument is such an L(mao)
Its weird to see the smear campaign against ZZZ then have Wuwa b3 the most protected game. Agree love of the characters and World is what sells and there is no actual love for Wuwa as much as Hoyogames. Clearly. I'm sure there is but yeah wuwa has a tough time selling characters
watch Smack get all defensive and cry how he is always correct
"They have the same audience" that would be like saying that SF, DMC and RE games got the same audience as well just because Capcom is making all of these.
They can potentially have the same audience (SF player might enjoy DMC or RE, etc.), and part of it can be because Capcom is making these so they check out other IPs, but these are ultimately way different games, with completely different genres, appealing to different tastes.
So saying that Genshin, HSR and ZZZ are the same audience couldn't be further from true.
They might share the same audience due to these games being made by the same company, but on average, Genshin player will not be attracted to HSR or ZZZ just because Hoyo made it. It might make them check it out, but nothing says that they will like it/be there to stay because what these games offer, isn't same to what Genshin (the game that they like) does. There has to be a correlation more in audience's tastes in what they enjoy, rather than the same company uniting everyone together (if this was a thing, Hi3 wouldn't do as that badly compared to other Hoyo's IPs). In fact, I've seen way more "union" between Genshin or HSR players with WuWa ones against ZZZ than some sort of "Hoyo brotherhood" for ZZZ just because they are from the same company. Enough said.
Olden day mint pickers are now a day echo picker
Mtashed is click baiting, no way he believes that
Nah the guy has history of having really bad takes 😂
@@AespaKatarina ya, Fobsmaster even told us that he was hyped about the games before release then he say he was bored with game on Day 1
What if I told you he actually believes that? He has the Destiny 2 microtransaction mindset/grind. So its completely reasonable.
You are either uninformed or just that oblivious, probably because the gacha community is fixated on this "coom" fest swiping on characters. Not defending anything, but you guys are ironically doing the same thing he does, taking things at face value.
he is just not into it anymore. he is a "dad" pretending to be a gamer and he doesn't want to admit it.
Why zzz is a success
1. Furries and waifus
2. Ez dailies + skip button
3. Casual gameplay
4. Good rates on banners
5. Visual presentation
Whether you like the game or not, It was clear to everyone except some CCs that ZZZ would easily top the charts this month. For starters, this is mihoyo were talking about so it was unlikely for the game to flop on release after all that successful marketing and, more importantly, ZZZ, not only, is fairly unique in the gacha market rn with its gameplay and aesthetics but it also has a great foundation to build and improve further down the line. I think it all comes down to sunk cost fallacy with some of these CCs (and fans too tbf) which exacerbates into tribalism between communities and pointless feuds and rivalries.
Anyway, I agree with your takes.
a lot of people miss the fact that the real «dark horse» and «genshin killer» is actually “Love and Deepspace”😅
if the developers will release another hot man, all the women's money will go to them again…
I'd say the page on 9:26 tells all the story. They know how to market this virtual characters through their personalities. If I can slide into k-pop side of the world, it's similar in some degrees. People "top-up" albums and merch bcs they like their music and above all the personalities shown in their contents, otherwise ppl just casually "f2p" the music in yt or spfy.
I work 50+ hours a week and i like the style of zzz.
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I can say that zzz is my fav game now and i agree what you said about wuwa . Combat in zzz really makes me dislikes other gacha combat . Zzz spoiled me that bad . But still i play all of them .
Always love hearing your takes.
All those cc curious why their stream doesnt pull the number while keep demonizing the player base. If that is not definition of stupidity, idk what it is.
I was tired playing Genshin for 3 years, and tried to play WuWa only to realise I’m done with open world, and deleted it. I was actually skeptical with ZZZ but when I tried it, it was actually fun. The theme and music is 🔥. The animation is fluid af, and am liking the comic panel style. And mostly as a casual it doesn’t take too much of my time. One more thing, you can take your waifus on a date. Lol it’s a plus for me. Had to buy Ellen and Zhu for that.
Anyone can make a 3D anime looking character, but barely anyone can bring those characters to life and make us feel interested in them or their story. Mihoyo is good at that, I agree.
next thing you know i'm gonna be talking shit about theorycrafting... they call me no drama lace btw
Every drama starts with theorycrafting careful😂😂
Zenless Zone Zero feels like reinvented Honkai impact 3rd with children size body better meta and dupes men are garbage damage dealer treat just Honkai old game qte hack and slash no feelings the game when direct to money focused much like Genshin endgame
Be careful Wuwa shills are coming after you and tectones generals xD.
@@arocomisgamusclademork1603 next time use commas
@@lovelessshoot883 seriously no mention
I dont have any idea on gacha smack's word of zzz's problem. ZZZ only capture hoyo's old audience once again and fail to capture new ones is just simply false. I am sure there are new players tried zzz as their first hoyo games despite very few of them only. He points out in the end that this is just to keep hoyo's revenue on the high more often by cycling which has good and dead patches.
My problem is........ what is the problem with that ?
Because ZZZ was meant to capture a new audience. That’s how you grow a company. If all it did was capture the same audience, then they’re paying for 3 games to capture the audience of 2 if that makes any sense. If ZZZ captured a new audience, it exposes them to their other games meaning more potential profits. Keep in mind, he’s looking at this from an objective view which people like you have a hard time doing.
@@TacticalDimples I dont think that only capturing the same audience is a sign of failure. I am sure the zzz give hoyo some new players too, but idk how much compared to old players. I simply think from this revenue is fine, like really fine for zzz and hoyo even if they fail to get single new player. But I am sure some of this revenue coming from those new players too.
Well even if we talk about game's success and failure based on how many new players, then zzz is even better than hsr since hsr is a turn based game, and turn based game's fanbase arent exactly that much compared to open world or H&S (as far as I know at least)
In my view he just want to find something to bash on Hoyo. And somehow do BS equation like it is math problem.
We dont even know how many new people play and spend on the games. Maybe there are more new player, maybe not.
Consistenly get 150m revenue for a year (1.8b) is much impressive than 100m the highest, 20m the lowest.. maybe avg of 40m per month (480m per year).
Also the way he said Kuro is winning because from 2m per month of PGR rise up to 20m per month because of WuWa.... It also applied to Genshin with HI3 smh
@@TacticalDimples facts..... especially last one
I’m in an fb zzz group and a lot like a lot was saying ZZZ is their first gacha.
i realised that mtashed, the bald narcissist and the other slop are just not my thing anymore. hate this simping shit thats going on in these communities aswell. Glad the games do well but god do these ppl annoy me lmao
clear cope by mtashed, wuwa btfo yet again
the fact that even TECTONE is defending ZZZ, you know something is very wrong with the other GACHA CC'S who's busy making drama.
First! But zzz definitely deserve that #1 place
I pulled for Zhu Yuan after watching her EP and I just love how Hoyo set up their characters
I think you are exactly right about this. It applies to me at least! I don’t pay on gacha games. I generally go free to play as much as I can. But I’ve been having such a blast on ZZZ for literally every single day since I started, I actually felt a little bad that I got a month’s worth of seriously quality gameplay and am just mooching off with it, so I decided I’d show my personal appreciation and fork over $15 for the monthly and the battle pass. (It also helped that that money directly went toward the 300-pull standard banner so I got to pick out Nekomata.) But that’s the thing, right? I didn’t give Hoyo $15 because I needed it to beat Shiyu or whatever. I did it because I’m having fun.
You’re right, there are people out there who don’t like fantasy, who like punk urban settings. That’s me. I don’t like open worlds. I find almost all of them to be incredibly boring and time consuming for no reason. ZZZ doesn’t waste my time with that. It gives me the great story I want with these awesome characters I love, and it’s as simple as that. That’s why ZZZ made money.
lmao, Pokke got owned ahah. True the guy is a professional at yapping but also saying nothing, at the same time. What got me to like ZZZ was the aesthetics, and music. Then thecombat and the satisfying parry sound, story and yes, even TV (in some parts of the game, I think is important to have and it's fun).
I like your take and I think you're right.
Genshin: "OMG... Our shark girl is in danger and this Emilie is looking broken... but my fav CC said she is easy skip, what is going on?"
HSR: "Thank god i can save my pulls now... dude, they need to slow down this broken units... wait... i forgot to pull the LC... i'm dead"
ZZZ: "Genshin player will not understand, we have negative edge. We are better. WuWa combat is not a fighting game. Fighting games are superior. Daylies are 1s to complete. You don't have ME, YOU DON'T HAVE ME! This game respect your time, you don't even need to play it. Just click and done. You can go play... WAIT, NO! DON'T DO IT, Test your skills in this real fight game. Train your Negative edge"
WuWa: "Genshin.... genshin.... genshin... genshin.... genshin... genshin.... genshin... genshin.... free character. S... Y... Genshin players, we are better Genshin."
I played a little bit of genshin when it came out 1.0, but I left because open world games are not really my thing generally. ZZZ is way more up my alley.
Your take matches my experience 100%. I'm a FIRST-TIME hoyoverse player, so the cannibalization theory doesn't apply to me. I'm spending on ZZZ because I want to support the game. It's fun to play! As to why it had such a great launch month, I think that's down to brilliant marketing with a huge budget. That's how they hooked me. The trailers and cutscene clips are amazing. The art-style is fresh and Persona-familiar at the same time. The animation is god tier -- watch a pro animator break down story mode cutscenes, it's eye opening. Mihoyo spared no expense on the quality of cutscenes.
I will agree with the critics that the low streaming hours to date may become a problem for future growth. Many creators have commented on how the game is fun to play, but not fun to watch. Which is a pity, since so much budget went into animating the moveset and effects of combat. Fast-paced action for the fun of it achieved, but unless you frame-by-frame a VOD replay, it all goes by too fast to appreciate when watching a livestream.
One reason why I don’t care about statistics and other stuff it’s more of seeing the game and the way it animated. Yeah I whaled hard on Zhu (because I wanted her for other reasons) was not because of her it’s because of the world of Zenless. I like the puzzles in the TVs, I like the over world activities you can do and interact with the characters and I love the combat. One thing is for certain is that breaks need to be taken because one will get burnt out. Plus you can tell Hoyo really cares about the world of ZZZ from characters to the setting of it. I just love it
the more worrying is global players spending on wuwa.. thats like buying a duplicate iphone
Honestly, everything going on right now is just stupid as a player of both Hoyo and Kuro games. Kuro will never beat any Hoyoverse because of their really cheap money needed to max out a character and their weapon (about 1/3 of genshin or so) + the optimization on mobile need to be worked on again so they can retain more mobile players. ZZZ might not be as fun in terms of combat but its still fun for me and the story and characters are solid enough for me to stick the suffering i had to endure in TV mode and loading here and there even if its a short one. People should just enjoy their own game and if they don't, it's fine. Nobody likes everything anyway.
But as an old PGR player, seeing Wuwa making millions when Kuro used to be making way less is enough for me to be happy for the company.
Kuro is also bad at marketing. Hoyo went all out to promote Zzz that's why it's so successful. Kuro barely do any marketing. Only the first week of launch I see Wuwa ads on the internet 🙃
@@Kas-m2z I have to agree. Even PGR have lack in marketing which is a shame tbh
Great analysis! Nice to see the content coming out regularly again!
The ending of this video reminds me of the last harry potter game that came out. The game was good and im sure many people would enjoy it more than I did but I just couldnt enjoy the game like others did. The game did nothing wrong, just wasnt for me and I never finished it.
In fact, you should be grateful because there is a Genshin breakthrough in gacha games, the standard of gacha games in the current era has increased significantly with the diversity and advantages of each... now mobile developers are rushing to make games with very significant quality 👏
I really love these characters. I tried to spend money for Ellen but ended up with a guaranteed Zhu Yuan instead.
zzz is a great game i think these guys should play games like dark souls or elde ring if they want a challenge this bad gacha games r meant 2 be chill and if i want a challenge i play sekiro or elden ring
To be fair there is a market for it, but Zzz never marketed it as such, they just have their expectations in the wrong place, it's like dating a poor guy and expecting him to have a rich family
CC'S are hungry for a game that has endless hard content so they can make endless content out of it. Not to mention they have families to feed so they resort to shitty drama videos and hot takes to engage their audience since they cant make anything out of these games. Sadly it works.
This era of content creation is weird and exhausting. I think a lot of these CC's need to find real work, cause this is unsustainable.
Kurobots love praising the difficulty in Wuwa but in reality, other than the hologram, combat is braindead easy
ZZZ is cookin!!!
Why are people surprised that it made that much money?
Well, when you have big content creators like Asmon, Mtashed, and all of these Wuwa meatriders, doomposting the sht out of this game for no good reason, yeah you would think that a lot of players will be discouraged to try it out and even spend money on it.
Like, i sht you not, i've been checkin out Zenless videos on yt to understand the game more, but their comment section always has Wuwa fanboys doomposting/ hatewatching.
lmao looks like bruh is fighting with himself
At least someone has a level-minded take on this. Honestly I just don't understand why people get so heated about this, and even if they are, people's ability to actually logically analyze *why* the numbers are what they are is shockingly poor. Most of these numbers were pretty expected, at least you could've made a rough estimate along similar lines, and you can do the same for the coming months too just looking at banner popularities and release timings as well as what potential external factors might affect them. At the end of the day Hoyo is the biggest player in this industry and that's not changing anytime soon.
From my understanding hoyo wanted to make their games patch cycle to support each other. When one games is having dry content period another hoyo game would release a huge update which would keep the hoyo games ecosystem evergreen and players would shift from game to game or just play their prefered game while hoyo makes reliable bank from players as they would play hoyo games instead of playing games from competing companies.
Calling this a revenue upset is like looking at the first seed in a tournament winning and calling an upset. The real upset is Love and Deepspace
meta chasers are in an echochamber surrounded by other metachasers thats why they cant fathom casuals login in for fun and minigames, casuals are not present on the internet communities interacting about meta and numbers, if they do they are watching fun shorts or cosplays, metachasers dont understand what the minigames are there for, they are to focused on making every game an esport and forget actual working people exist that pays for the game, the casuals working 8 hours a day is the one paying for this game not the im "f2p btw" minmaxer le abyss 12 autismo.
I'm hoping Gacha Smack reacts to this lol
Well said my guy, I play both Wuwa and zzz and im enjoying it.
Well oshi culture is not for everyone, so they always care abou big damage and the character is op or not. If you watch japanese streamer a lot of the puling for character untill c6, e6, or m6 based on they liked the character or not and always use them while western comunity always making videos about how shitty this character dmg etc. Gacha games started from Japan because the oshi culture in form of gachapon so the essence of gacha game is pulling what you want, because it's no necessity.
next month gacha revenue reoport gonna be wild lmao i cant wait to see that shit
Not looking good for wuwa, the 2 new character in the next patch look so mid. 😂
Agreed. Open world games, that have dailies, feel like a massive chore. Zzz is perfect for me🎉
"Adults disagree, boohoo... get over it" LMAO🤣
clear point of view (include compare 2 side of a problem), nice argument. this video is great during huge drama is happening
I literally M6 Ellen just bcs I don't feel like playing if I don't have my wolf daddy (he's the only reason I took interest in this game in the first place) but don't have the time or energy to reroll and can't bring myself to spend paid currency on standard banner. Got him after Ellen got to M5 so I was like f this, I'll just M6 her then...so...yeah, meta was never the only reason for why ppl whale in gacha games, esp in hoyo games where the difficulty was never that high.
And yeah, despite playing a lot of games, GachaSmack still only look at the numbers and not the game itself. Dunno if he still plays HSR (I stop watching him after he did this exact same thing back with Genshin 4.0, talking big about revenue while not looking at the actual banners), but if he did, all he really need to ask to get the answer for why HSR was doing worse is simple "Do you genuinely believe Jade and Yunli banner can actually even half as well as Firefly and Ruan Mei?" I'm not surprised it went down by that much bcs weren't they all meta slaves calling Firefly and Ruan Mei a must-have while Jade, Argenti, Yunli and Huohuo are ez skip? And story-wise, who has the most impact to players out of those three? It's the same for Genshin bcs the only real banners in Genshin last month was Navia and Nilou reruns. Sigewinne and Furina's sale peak was in June too, so obviously it'll do far less. And it's ZZZ launch month, so of course they'll bring in big bucks. So dunno why he's even surprised with that.
Amazing content as always Mr. Lace
Man, Mtashed should just go back to destiny. He is just forced to do content for gacha games lol.
Gacha smack out here coping and seething cuz wuwa lost to love and deepspace.😌
I wont lie when I say that I trust SEA and CN content creators when it comes to their takes in gacha games than whatever bumass cc you have in North america or whatever.
Tbh gacha games are more popular in eastern countries than the west.
Just look at the big 3 of whales(CN,JP,KR)
Content creator sucks now . They need to dislike the game so that they can get views . Clickbaits is unbearable. Revenue tells everything about the game .
Hell yeah! I'm so sick of open world games, I'm completely burnt out from playing them for over a decade.
I played Genshin since it came out, I liked it but as soon as I finished the main stories I left it, there is nothing more boring than exploring empty environments or being a messenger, for that I installed the current triple A game with better graphics or I open the damn Zelda totk or RDR2 that I bought since launch and still don't touch 😭
This slice of revenue figures made people upset?
the peak point is when the loved character also a meta
There’s no better feeling than finally getting the character you’ve been wanting, trying them out, and then discovering that they’re so good that they’re actually kinda broken!
Hsr and gi did not mesh with me at all but i have been loving zzz. A big thing for me is the fact that its not open world and it's story. It has a WAY better story than other hoyo games to me. Actually madesld me invested
Same here, exactly. Easily most interesting story I’ve ever seen in a gacha game, and actually one of the most fun games I’ve played in years.
that why I never bother following those drama CC.
Btw, it’s not that other companies don’t spend money into marketing, it’s that that they cant to the extent that a Hoyoverse does. Hoyoverse pretty much ruined our expectations of what to expect lmao. They are the absolute exception.
"the free 5*s in wuwa" i always see this argument but it doesn't make any sense bc these free 5*s were standard and barely anyone would spend money for a standard character. people spend money on limited stuff. and yes, i agree. hoyo is just rly good at creating characters, not just design but also giving them a unique personality you remember and start getting attached to. and i also agree with you on wuwa: as much as i like the game, the combat and how they improved a lot of stuff when it comes to quality of life stuff.. there is not a single character i'm attached to right now. and i think that's the part where hoyo is good at. and the reason why i always come back to hoyo games despite some of the flaws their games, especially genshin, have
just to be veeeerrrrrrryyyyyyyyy clear btw, i only have mad respect for all of these content creators. i just disagree with some of the things they said.
Mr Pokke had been diagnosed with Schizophrenia. How can you say you "respect" him when you accused him of "coked up". Is mental illness a joke to you?
@@vexrswaggy4554 ya, I used to watch his video in the past but I instantly stopped following his channel once he start making "nuclear drama" for most of his video content.
@@lim3020 I stopped watching when he turned into Asian XQC
@@lim3020aren’t those “nuclear drama” clickbait parody humor? or is he actually schizophrenic?
@@f.b.lagent1113 don't know much about him so I had no comment.
he started doing that when Genshin drama begin & that where he started added "nuclear drama" when something happen.
I guess maybe he now had too much time to watch those drama after resign from well paid full time job for full time streamer.
Aside from whales whos gonna pull for c6/e6, not everyone spend for waifu factor. Some spenders (those who stopped at c2/e2) are just too easy to be baited by dmg numbers eventho they dont really need it, or maybe they want to make the game easier despite it
I’m a causal player, I do spend in Genshin. Playing for over 3 years and still enjoy it. The Characters are more drawn out and I do love some of them. I did start ZZZ but have not been playing as I prefer open world. Play HSR and do invest in Characters I like and I consider strong and good at what they do. Play WuWa and did spend when it came out, to get a strong start. Not spending now just saving. I do not care much for the WuWa Characters in general and I do not like or enjoy the WuWa open world as much as the Genshin open world. Genshin is still my main game, and when I spend it is mostly in Genshin….
I wanted to like ZZZ but I get too much of an ick that all they try to do is to pander to gooners. I'm fine with some characters being sexy, but if it's the main selling point for all of them I'm bored 😭 if there are no characters you're looking forward to pull, gacha is dead
So.. you are saying I am coping since I like Aether Gazer? My game is dying?
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All jokes aside, good video.
So long as the game you like is making enough money to get more money invested back into it, it doesn't really matter what it's revenue is. There's no actual difference for the players if wuthering makes 30 mill or 100 mill. So there's no real point getting this invested.
As for Jade not doing well in star rail, it's just because she came out right after firefly.
Nowadays, the quality of a product often doesnt really matter anymore. As long as u successfully force the majority of the market to accept mediocre product as something normal or (even great in some cases), u alrdy won. Your consumer will defend your mediocre product to death, n even seeing quality, better products from your competitors as threats so they will attack them in order to protect their sense of normalcy, to convince themselves that the mediocre product they have invested a lot of time, energy, or money is a good one. That's the fact. There r always some exceptions but this is how things work in many industries.
well said!
Remember though that the "successfully force" part also requires a skill of marketing strategy to pull, ONLY when you have the effort, skill and knowledge to do that is when product quality not carrying everything on its own.
3:04 "A lot of people are comparing ZZZ to Wuwa", yeah the people in the communities they fostered by glazing Wuwa and trashing everything Hoyo.
The only thing I care about that list is to know if my game is going to EOS soon. It happens to me whe Snowbreak was pretty down there, know I'm pretty relieved because it's going good. What game is the first, teje sexond or whatever it doesn't matter at all. Of course Im pretty happy ZZZ is making good just because that means the game I enjoy lots has a lots of time life.
I just hope Wuwa makes enough to continue to improve the game. Bc I love combat and Wuwa is definitely my niche. Idgaf if Hoyo games make more, as long as Wuwa is making a healthy profit idc