SVS Ultra Bookshelf VS Prime Tower Speakers (What's most important to you? Bi-Amp?)
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I think the real story is how well the Prime series does. While the Ultra speakers sound better, there is not a great disparity. The Prime series has kept me happy for a very long time, and economically they offer a lot of bang for the buck.
While inexpensive, they are certainly NOT a "cheap" speaker. The use of legitimate crossovers, a stout enclosure, and intensive tuning by SVS staff including Smith Freeman and Gary Yacoubian.
In their goal to bring true high end audiophile sound to the masses, SVS has really hit the mark. The Prime series is very easy to recommend, and the ability to trade up within a year is icing on the cake. Order factory direct (through the "sub101.link" links above) to ensure 1 year trade up.
The Ultra series is also a strong value, they easily punch above their weight with a gorgeous sound. The goal with the speakers in the SVS family was not to compete with speakers in the $1,000 and under range, but more the $2000+ range when it comes to the actual sound.
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After much research and years of owning speakers (high end and pedestrian) I can say that my SVS ultra bookshelves are better built, and more capable than MUCH more costly speakers. I could name drop- starting with ATC SCM-12, the overpriced/underbuilt polk lsi/9, KEF, Tannoy, Dynaudio, Proac, signet and more. These speakers deliver neutrality, transparency and detail. They have the ballsiest slam I have yet heard from a 6.5" woofer 2 way. The illusion that more expensive boutique names have a more refined treble, is only because they lack the bass and extension of the SVS ultra.
+Scott Lowell I've read some forum posts that echo your opinion. I never really understood the transparency concept until I heard something that really lived up to the promise. Even in the SVS Prime line with the Satellite speaker, you listen to the music without "hearing the speaker". Weird concept to define, but a real one. Thanks for the comment.
The ultra line looks so sexy, ugh!
I have the r28f floorstanding and r25c klipsch but $2,700 to upgrade to the Svs ultra line is tough lol
emersonleon85 I have the R26F- and I’m nervous about upgrading... is the money worth what youre getting ??? I can’t just bring speakers home and test them ya know?
I’m actually debating between the Prime Tower & the Ultra Bookshelf. I currently have the Prime Elevation’s & the Prime Center.
I wouldn't bi amp with a receiver, simply because it's already strained from also handling audio and video processing on top of powering the speaker channels.
Switching to external amplification yields far greater audible results than bi-amping with a receiver
I added an Emotiva's BasX A-700 to my own system last year. The difference is amazing.
I still can't get over how you have two PB-16's high end subwoofers, but are still using your receiver to power your speakers.
I do want to add external amps to take some stress off of the AVR. You like the A-700?
Very much. I have it powering my LCR + side and rear surrounds and my receiver is only powering a pair of Atmos speakers (9 channel processing)
With the A700 I am able to run my JBL 290 towers in LFE+main, and set to large. My Marantz 6010 didn't like that by itself.
The sound is now more punchy and dynamic overall.
I know LFE+main is a controversial setting, but it works in my room complementing two PB-1000's
+Droidz Hunterz I think external amplification changes the story when it comes to LFE+ main. On an AVR, as you mentioned, it puts a little too much strain by itself.
Great comparison! Im looking at the ultra bookshelves. Right now, I have Polk S60 towers. I know the ultras will sound better, but will they be as loud?? Thats what im worried about.
Loudness is easily resolved by bumping the speaker levels, if it's a problem at all. Probably won't be.
Are you using subs? Which subs and how many?
They also just released the Ultra Evolution line, and the original Ultra line is on sale.
Hard to say which I'd choose, the new series looks pretty impressive, but the Ultras on closeout will most certainly be less expensive.
Assuming you are in the USA, you have the 1 year trade up too, so if you go with the closeout, you have a year to trade up to the Evolution line.
I can't wait to hear the Evo line though.
I have been happy with my SVS Ultra bookshelves. They are working well with the addition of an SVS SB-1000 sub.
The nice gloss white cabinet has prevented damage to my marriage.
I am increasingly happy that Danny at GR research appears to be working on an upgrade kit for them! 😎
Danny has posted a video on his initial evaluation of them.
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But Prime Tower and Prime Pinnacle will go much lower than Ultra Bookshelf. Look at the specs!
@@matthewharhai4039but he says he has a sub so if the crossover is at 80 it doesn't matter
I have noticed that bi amping speakers is specially if they are high efficiency speakers doesn't make much difference in sound quality per se. Some people argue this, but as an audiophile continuously tests equipment in a controlled environment using a combination of different amplifiers and speakers, the audio performance produced is not really increased by that much at all. The drivers and crossovers will receive enough power at low RMS just fine, again if these are high-efficiency speakers like the SVS. The only benefit to bi amping is the increase in overall decibel output.
With some of these things, the change is so small some might not hear a difference. Or there is no difference. It can be tiring, either way. Good feedback!
Bi amping is not worth the extra wires trust me. All it does is separate high frequency and low frequencies in two separate amps of the avr. You're better off with external amplification like a emotiva or parasound.
I suspect you're right, external amplification seems like the way to go.
Sparkle and full... I want sparkle. Just ordered two of the Ultra bookshelves... I did not order off of your site. My bad. But, I may just pull the trigger on the center and the surrounds.
I just ordered the Prime Bookshelves a few hours ago. I'm so excited! They'll be a huge upgrade over my first set of speakers the Micca OoO.
The ultra bookself s or prime tower are better for movies mate🙃??
Great video now I know wat i want! Ultra bookshelf and 1sb4000 done! Thanks
ya sure do love your svs. thinking there pretty cool more after watching different videos. specially the youtube video that took them apart. still videos here are long winded to me.
You should check them out to see what the fuss is about.
Imagine all 6 channels in a 7.1 home theater being SVS Ultra format?
Whoa!
Or, all channels in an ATMOS system being Ultras?
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I have the Ultra Bookshelves coming later this week! I can't wait to hear em!
Marcus U how are they? What did you have before?
Just got mine last week. I initially was looking at the Prime towers, but noticed that the Ultra bookshelf was the same price. I decided to get the better Ultra speakers. I have a PB 1000 pro, and the first time I tried them I had to double check the sub was off. I had some BIC Acoustec H 75's that had almost no bass, so this was a shock.
I’m leaning the book shelf vs the tower but I could be convinced otherwise so I’m listening with both ears.
How about a 3rd option? An upgraded Prime tower, with 3 woofers, mid and tweeter? It's coming soon...
@@Subwoofer101 - Maybe even the Pinnacle option... 😉😉 ... Can't wait! 😀
It looks like this has become a huge debate... but when it comes to bi amping, I think many will agree that towers make it worth while, since the more a speaker stretches out the high from low frequencies the more sense it makes to separate the amps driving the tweeter and woofer. With a bookshelf, it still would improve the quality of sound being emitted from the loudspeaker, otherwise I am sure SVS wouldn't waste their time or money doing that lol. However, I do feel the prime towers offer enough bass especially when adding 1 or 2 subwoofers from SVS not to justify myself needing the ultra towers, but the bookshelf and center might be a great addition soon.
That makes sense to me. The Prime Towers do offer great bass, I've bumped the crossover from 90 on the towers to 100 for the Ultra Bookshelf. Pretty happy with that setup.
And, you need stands for the bookshelves where as the towers stand independently. I will never go back to bookshelf speakers after owning the best towers.
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I respect your opinion on subs and thanks for the videos.
What are your thoughts on the REL HT 1205 Thanks!
How do the SVS Ultra compare to the Psb imagine B's? If you heard them.
I have not heard the Imagine B's, so I couldn't say. You could always do a side by side. SVS has a pretty stout return policy, 45 days with no shipping even if you send them back.
Two Prime Bookshelfs with two SB-3000s or two Prime Towers with one SB-3000, which one do you think will sound better in a roughly 1380 cubic feet room? I already have the SB-3000 and was planning to get a second one soon (don't have space for PB line). I'm also thinking about upgrading my 5 main speakers to Primes, either towers or Bookshelfs for Left and Right, Prime Center and Prime Satellites for surrounds. I won't be able to get two subs if I get the towers, so that's something I have to choose either/or.
I'd go dual now, and trade up for the towers when you can, using their one year trade up. You'll get more satisfaction sooner that way, 100%.
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I have the prime towers and center and a pb3000 but when I plug the pb3000 ports with the foam plugs it comes with it's still plenty powerful for action movies. I like your 2 sb3000 plan. I don't really have the room for that. The towers do chime in with a little bass but with 2 subs and bookshelves it's prob going to be at least as good or maybe better. Who the hell knows. Experts will tell you that the room is a huge factor and I think that is true so the only way to know for sure is to try both and see what you like. Then there is the whole Home theater vs music thing to take into account. These are nice problems to have though, are they not?
Myself I like Bowers and Wilkins have the first generation 685 and I think they’re excellent speakers
hi there...I'm so late to this conversation but here I am! I watched a few of your other subwoofer videos and I bought a PB-1000pro and a PC2000 pro! and I like how they work together...I think I would be fine with just the PC-2000pro but I'm keeping them both...now I want to get a pair of SVS speakers for Front left and right and a good centre...currently I have a pair of Paradigm Monitor 7 v6 and a Paradigm CC-390v6 for the centre (a huge speaker) and they are fine...but I wonder if getting SVS speakers for the front would make my home theatre even better. Would getting a pair of Prime Tower speakers and a SVS centre make a HUGE upgrade over my current set up? or which SVS speakers would be a real upgrade? Thanks so much
Thinking of changing out my klipsch speakers to svs.
What do you Think svs prime towers whit prime center or ultra center or svs ultra bookshelf whit ultra center. I already have dual svs pb2000 thinking of changing Theme to svs pb4000. And i have 4 svs prime elevation speakers on to the ceiling.
Have you heard klipsch speakers vs svs speakers.. any thougts betwin them ..?
Best regards
I haven't heard enough of Klipsch to comment confidently, but those who have made the switch seem to be happy with the decision. Mostly in store environments, which is not enough to truly gauge it.
I really like the Prime Towers a lot, I spent a lot of time with them. They have a nice full, rich sound. The Ultra Bookshelf has a little more sparkle, but slightly less fullness to it. Hard to go wrong either way, but I do lean ever so slightly to the Prime Tower. I just couldn't say which I would prefer ultimately. The better choice doesn't smack me over the head. My decision would probably come down to what I could fit. I'm running the Ultra Bookshelf in the RV project because that's what fits.
If the Ultra Center is in the cards, it's worthwhile. The Prime center is very good, the Ultra is just a little better. No hesitation mixing the Ultra Center with the Prime Towers, that combo would be great!
Subwoofer 101
Ok thanks for answear. :-)
Best regards Peter
Maybe it was already mentioned, but it just seems it would be a more accurate comparison to compare the Prime Bookshelf speakers to the Ultra Bookshelf speakers. Not the Prime Towers.
+James Thompson The Ultra Bookshelf and the Prime Tower are the same price. I imagine a few people might have a hard time deciding which to go with. But I get what you mean.
Hi, what are the isolation pads do you have under your Ultra bookshelf speakers? TIA
Not 100% sure, but I think they were black socks. Might have been black foam too. Definitely not high tech.
Subwoofer 101 Thank you
The Ultra's certainly look better too!
They do have a more refined look.
Also, the primes are available in piano black just like the ultras
did u ever tried ELAC DEBUT B6 designed by Andrew Jones? i wonder how the bass will compare to the SVS Ultra Bookshelf because B6 have phenomenal bass
alex vladescu Ooooooh! Andrew Jones! *swoons* *eye roll*
They are not on the same level. I have b6s, but the ultra bookshelf is my next speaker
If you going to try BI amping might as well try bi wiring also I figure try it out all the ones it gives your ear fresh and adapt level of understanding as you try these different things then then opposed to his hearing things too far apart side-by-side is always more useful methodology
The faster you can make the switch, the better for sure.
What are your personal speakers? Brand,model,ect? Surely you don't listen to music and movies with just subwoofers.
I love your sub reviews, but I have to say, this is a rambling review. Give us something concrete and succinct.
I know, but this one was harder. I could go either way and be happy. The right choice wasn't hitting over the head like it normally does. Normally, higher end bookshelf speakers are the way to go, but the Prime Towers are really good.
Harley compared to the jamo c103 when it comes to musicality
Haven't heard them, you've compared them side by side?
For a small room, bookshelf wins. For a large room, the tower speakers win. At least imo. I think bookshelf wins overall once you combine the speakers with a subwoofer. If you can afford the Ultra Tower Speakers, obviously that would be the best choice.
Move the towers out of the way and break out the old Definitive Technology bookshelf stands…?
I plan to, just haven't figured out how I want to secure them to the stands. No mounting holes on the Ultras.
Subwoofer 101 For my Definitive Technology bookshelves I used four little round double sided sticky pads. I just purchased some BP8080 towers and I can’t wait to get those hooked up And will be moving on from the bookshelves.
16g sheetmetal with same dimensions as base of speaker (onlinemetals.com), industrial velcro glued to top of stand bottom of plate, 1/2 in thick foam neoprene, same dimensions as speaker between speaker and sheetmetal. :D
I'm trying to decide between the Prime Bookshelves vs the Ultra Bookshelves as my rear surround sound.
I have the Prime Center, Prime Elevations, & the Pinnacle Towers with plans to add an SVS subwoofer this year
Thanks for your feedback Subwoofer 101
Just wondered what your thoughts are on a pair of SB2000s with Prime Bookshelves on top? Looking to save some cash... was going to go for the 2000s and a pair of Prime Towers, but both space and budget are issues for me. Will I be missing out much going for the bookshelves rather than the Towers in this scenario? Interested to know your thoughts.
You lose a little "fullness" when going with a book vs a tower, but if you go factory direct, you can always upgrade within a year. This is also worth checking out before you pull the trigger: www.subwoofer101.com/ported-vs-sealed/
I like ported subs, and I'd be more inclined to go with dual PB-1000's. Paired with the prime books, you'd be in good shape, and have the option to upgrade if you want.
@@Subwoofer101 So, for music You'd choose ported to match Ultra bookshelves still?
Dual ported deep bass subs, yes. All day.
I love my ultras. I had bought the prime bookshelves with prime center. Returned those 3 and bought 2 ultra bookshelves. The 2 ultras with a phantom center are better than the 3 primes.
Great video! And I just want to snuggle with sweet Angel and listen to music. That face! ❤️
Hello, Please advise if SVS Ultra Book shelf speakers can be bi-wired? Thanks.
I'm going to upgrade my LCR speakers and I'm torn in between doing the Ultra Bookshelf speakers as my L&R with an Ultra Center vs Ultra Towers L&R with an Ultra Center, and I currently have an SB16 Ultra subwoofer. I do both movies & music. How would you compare the Ultra Bookshelf vs the Ultra Tower? Also, how would you compare the difference (s) in dynamics when viewing movies from these two speakers?
Most of your movie dynamics will come from the subwoofer, but the difference between the Ultra Books and the Ultra Towers is pretty substantial. I strongly prefer the Ultra Towers.
The books are great, but the MTM arrangement (mid-range tweeter mid-range) of the Ultra Towers is hard to beat. More clarity, without being shouty.
Add to that the valuable reinforcement of the bass from the 8" bass drivers, and you do get more dynamics that way. Even set at Small and 90 hertz, the addition to the low end response is noticable.
Great review and relevant for me. I have 15 yr old monster towers that I wanted to upgrade, and my AVR technology as well. My room is big and I was assuming that I should naturally go with a tower, but now looking at it very differently. Room is 100% used for movies. When available, I’d like to see the hands on review with the prime pinnacles vs the ultra bookshelves- see if I can save a little space in the room without losing what a full-size tower has to offer. Great channel- thanks for the work!
That's a great comparison, thank you for making this!
Thanks, nice balanced review, I'm looking at the same choice and found it hard to say one way was better than the other, just some small differences that won't be apparent to most listeners most of the time. Going with the prime towers, they seem to fill the space a little more completely, if that makes any sense. Here's a twist, are you in Utah?
Kirk Merritt Nope, California. What's the twist?
Your voice is a dead ringer for an old friend, amazingly so. Take care.
Kirk Merritt Gotcha. I've had more than one person say Tom Hanks, which I never would have thought.
hey man i hope you react sunce you have seen my frontstage on my channel what do you think ultra bookshelf or prime tower keep in mind i have a pb12 nsd and my room is only 30 cubic meters i think ultra tower would be complete overkill
I watch a lot of your videos and finally have to disagree with one thing you said. "Can't get any powerful bass from any speaker without a sub". I have an old set of Cerwin Vega D-9's and hooked up to at least a 200 watt r.m.s/ch amp (even 50 watts will drive excellent), they have amazing bass! Bass not only you can hear - but feel. Shake your house no problem! I do use a 10" sub for movies though Doesn't have to be as loud to get the same bass as speakers only).
He may be making the comment related to more modern speaker setups. I agree with you, there are definitely exceptions to what he said, though, especially on older, larger speakers.
A very good review! I'm very impressed with the RUclips videos that I've seen so far and they are now at the top of my list! SVS obviously has an amazing engineering team and really creates high-quality loudspeakers for a more than reasonable price!!!
I appreciate it!
I demo'd the ULTRA BOOKS paired with the ULTRA CENTER paied with the PB2000 3.1 setup and they sounded better than the prime towers and the klipsch 260s and matching center...im a tower guy but i think ima pull the trigger on the ULTRA BOOKS & CENTER $1,550 out the door i cant beat that
antoine baylor hey bro, where can you get that price at ?
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Does the prime and ultra really have big difference from the sound? Sorry jst wondering as I'm planing to get ultra's but it's jst way to expensive in hk.. but ultra's is really worth than prime ?
Prime bookshelf vs Ultra bookshelf?
Isn't the answer obvious? Ultra.
Ferrari1996HS did my research and im saving up for the Ultra’s!
Daan how are they?
Recently found your channel. Great content thank you for all the info!
So are you saying that if I run dedicated subwoofers, I don’t need towers for my fronts? Would it make more sense to get a pair of high quality bookshelf speakers instead?
Towers do add some low end reinforcement of the bass. The Ultra Towers are a great example. They are set to Small and 90 hertz crossover. The sound is amazing.
Jim from Pittsburgh I just bought a set of ultra bookshelf speakers I hope I made the right decision
I think you'll like them, just give them a few weeks to break in. All SVS speakers come on a little strong at first, but sweeten up nicely.
thanks
Is this an audio only video.... All I see is black
+Cassius Watson No, there's video. Something is up.
I would really have to say that bi amping speakers really does make a difference in the sound quality concerning music listening, but with movies and television or just video listening, I can't claim there really is a difference...at least with quality speakers. In the past I have always looked at a speaker and it's ability to be bi amped. However the main reason I bought the SVS prime towers, is their quality, specifically for movies. They are great for music as well, but I bought them for my home theater rooms not 2 channel listening areas. Running bi amplification in a home theater application, really does loose several wanted or desired channels inside of the amp and I have never seen anyone (go all out) and use multiple amps to bi amp every speaker in a home theater. To loose a few channels in a home theater is loosing speakers, but in a 2 channel dedicated stereo, usually you have the option of speakers A and B. That is meant specifically to bi amp, not usually 4 speakers. In my basement setup, I have every speaker on the floor bi amped, and I am loosing channels inside of the amp, but I prefer music listening there as opposed to the great sound the films portray. Even with the most expensive speakers I have ever heard, with a film soundtrack, it is really difficult to hear a real difference with the bi amping as opposed to normal conventional wiring. I would have to say bi wiring makes a difference for both movies and music though. Still it is a hard trade for extra channels in home theater over just wiring each speaker on its own. In a perfect world, yes bi amp ever speaker possible, but reality says its not worth the extra amps. Like everything in life it is a trade up, I would have to say the 2 front channels and maybe the center are the only speakers it really pays off to bi amp.
+Puppies World The Prime Tower is an awesome speaker. It's really hard to pick a favorite in this case.
I always appreciate your detailed feedback! I wonder if bi-amping is worth the hassle? I suspect more would be gained through quality external amplification.
I wish I'd known of SVS ultra towers from my HT before I got klipsch reference. The SVS are more detailed, and dimensional with more articulate lower bass, smoother and much more transparent. The klipsch reference sound harsh by compare. Paradigm are polite and boring by compare.
@Subwoofer 101, what can you said about the SVS ultra towers (1000$ each (Amazon USA Price)) and the Klipsch RF-7 II (1250 each (amazon USA price)). The svs's are cheaper, they are 5 way ? vs the 2 way. SVS's are also rated for 300w instead of the 250w on the Klipsch, but they have lower sensitivity, 88db vs 101db. Also if you run the svs ultra towers or the Klipsch RF-7 II with the 16 ultra subs, are you gonna set the towers to 40hz crossover or are you still gonna set them to 80 and use the subs ? Keep in mind i've only heard the pb-1000 with Dali zensor 5 speakers. I'm asking because i really started to like SVS's subs and when i have enough money and i go crazy, which one would be better for full buy?
Quetzalcoalt i noticed you need more power to push the klipsch the svs sung at lower volume
What about the ultra towers vs ultra bookshelf? 6 bookshelf instead of 2 towers 2 b.s. and 2 bipoles. And 2 sb16 and ultra center for either setup. So would I really be missing out if I go with 2 b.s. instead of 2 towers up front and save $1000?
+Ricardo Valenzuela I can't speak from experience yet on the Ultra Towers, but I do know they are very impressive speakers. With dual 6" midrange, and the dual woofer configuration, it's going to be an upgrade over the Bookshelf. If you're not running external amplification, the bookshelf speakers may be the more reasonable choice.
Your subs will certainly handle the low end if you go with the books. The Ultra Towers are pretty big, a consideration if you're low on space. They have a flare out design, getting wider going from front to back. It's a unique look, making quite the statement. If you have the power, space, and budget, the towers would be quite nice indeed.
You also have the 1 year upgrade, so long as you order factory direct (my links are factory direct), so you could start with the books and upgrade if you feel the need. They will sound great when you first get them, but after 2-3 weeks they seem to sweeten up even more.
I'm going to review the Ultra Towers at some point soon, and I'm really looking forward to it. The design is pretty awesome, and I like that they basically incorporate the dual sub theory into the tower.
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I will use the link, however I just did an impulse buy on some LS50s so it will have to wait until next year. Crutchfield had the KEF LS50 for the same price as the SVS bookshelf and I couldn't pass them by. But thanks for your advice, I'll be waiting for your review on the Ultra Towers
what do you think of 4 svs prime sats and the center channel to match with 2 pb1000.? in a 12x18 with 7 foot ceilings.?im trying to do it on a budget and still have quality products..thanks john
Hi John, I think that's a really good budget setup. I'm planning on doing a "cheat sheet", and that very setup is the starting point.
The trick is to run the crossover on the Center at 90-110 Hertz, and the Satellites at 110-150 Hertz. Because the PB-1000's have a nice flat response, it won't sound boomy once you have it dialed in. You can watch how I set up my AVR: ruclips.net/video/Mfl_ttIrLVI/видео.html
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Going factory direct, (assuming US or Canada) you can trade up the Satellites for Prime Bookshelf or Prime towers within 1 year. You get full price credit, less shipping costs (1 year trade up is the only time you pay shipping), which is outlined in their "Bill Of Rights". Or you could add a Prime Tower or Bookshelf and shift the Satellite to Atmos duty or a 7.2 setup.
While the Towers and Bookshelf speakers obviously do better, I have run the Satellites alone with Dual PB-16 Ultras. They really hold their own, especially with a higher crossover. Assuming you're coming from basic subwoofers (most people are) I think you will be really happy with that setup. You may not even feel the need to upgrade, but upgrade-itis runs strong in the home audio crowd.
@kmd76kmd76 nope i havent had a chance yet...
Haha
Will you review the Ultra Towers in a near future? :)
No sure how soon, but I do want to hear them.
As far as a "disappearing act", did the ultras preform even better?
I didn't come to mind, so I'd say the Ultra books and Towers "disappeared" pretty close to the same degree. The Ultra Towers just have more "presence" to them, especially with the low end.
Just thought I'd point out a typo. You mean "Prime Towers", not "Ultra Towers".
Hi there, I need some help regarding the svs ultra bookshelf speakers. Do the ultra bookshelf are a complete replacement against the floor standers ? . I mean do they perform equally well against the floor standing speakers. I appreciate your help. Thanks
mohsin ali bro you need subwoofer with book shelf speakers if want lows. Else you will some bass .
Shoaib Khan Thanks for the reply. If I use subwoofer along with bookshelf speakers, should I still need floor standers or it's fine with a subwoofer and a pair of bookshelf speakers and center speaker. Thanks again
mohsin ali well if your going for home theater setup with small amount of music listening book shelves are the way to go. For towers you need a very good amp and that will cause a huge price increase.
Shoaib Khan Hi, I have Yamaha 583 receiver isn't that enough to handle the towers. Thanks
It's 80 watts per channel @ 8 ohms, 2 channels driven. Not a powerhouse, so you definitely want to run your speakers as small to transfer bass duties to the subwoofers.
The Prime Tower sounds a little fuller, while the Ultra Bookshelf sounds a little more crisp. More sparkle. So long as you are running subwoofers, the Ultra Books will get you done quite nicely. Low end is less important when running subs. Just increase the crossover, assuming you're running deep subs. Typical, shallow subs will be trickier when increasing crossover levels.
In your situation, I'd probably go with the Ultra Bookshelf and set the crossover around 90-120. Which subs are you using/planning to use?
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+Piscis000 😀
I’m a current Denon AVR owner, the biamping on our AVRs is only for the mains, not the center or even surrounds if we had a full Ultra system. It’s not a matter of extra amps or channels, it’s because the system is set up to only process biamping the mains. If you look at the diagram of the rear panel in the manual, you’ll see the biamping terminals are shared with height (or maybe wides). My 7200 has 9 amps built in. I can biamp 7.1 or go 7.1:2 (2 Atmos is my current configuration). I have run the biamp with my Paradigm Monitor p90 v1, there was a bit more clarity. But, running Atmos is a higher priority.
Hit the SETUP button, SPEAKERS/MANUAL SETUP/AMP ASSIGN then go through all of the ASSIGN MODE options and sub-options to see if you have something that may allow for the center biamping. I don’t have a 9.1 with biamping option, yours might. It’s nuts, I can have an extra set of mains and biamp that extra set, but there is no center channel biamp. I would call Denon to pick their brains about it.
I’m actually considering the Ultra Center at some point to start my SVS transition from Def Tech. I don’t think that thing will fit under my tv on the stand which is already at its highest point LOLOL. I’ve asked SVS on one of their videos if it had adjustable feet, at this time it does not. Hopefully when I’m ready to buy, the new version will be able to pointed up. My tv is 7 feet away, the center is about chest high and I have it pointed up at my head. It makes a difference, especially when running Audyseey. I can hear a difference when I recline in my chair.
Sorry if I’m rambling, hope I was helpful.
+Dave B. Very helpful! I use felt pads to elevate the center channel.
I'm kind of glad they don't come with feet since it would make them taller. I had to cut the brackets on my TV stand to raise the TV high enough. With the Prime Center I had plenty of room, now it's really close to the bottom of the screen again with the Ultra Center, which is honestly a good thing sonically.
So you kept the ultras? The sparkle made that much of a difference?
Yep, the sparkle is quite nice. It's a nicer sound, but the towers are really not far behind. It's a pretty tough call, really.
Which center channel would you choose, Prime or Ultra?
The Ultra is the better centre. And if you're using Ultra Bookshelf's or Ultra Towers, you should definitely go with the Ultra Centre.
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I have the Ultra Bookshelf's and Prime center and it sounds amazing as all SVS speakers are timber matched so you can mix and match.
Forgot to add..
SVS is the best in subs no doubt, but, BIC pulls a close 2nd
especially when considering cost per performance.
The BIC F12 is a fantastic $200 subwoofer!
The only sub I'd recommend outside of SVS.
~ peace
There isn't a sub on the planet worth buying under $300.. just save ur $$
Jeremy Crabtree I'd beg to differ that bic sub is a damn beast
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That's nonsense and especially if you're looking for a sub for a small room.
When comparing ultra bookshelfs to prime towers for a home theater, since I'll be using subwoofers anyway. Do you believe the ultras will give the better sound?
This was always a tough one and still is. Prime Towers sound a touch "fuller", while the Ultra Books sound a touch "cleaner". I would probably choose the Prime Towers personally, but I could honestly flip a coin.
Thanks for the answer. I'm leaning towards the ultra bookshelfs actually. I'm thinking since i will use dual subs anyway it will give a pretty full sound as it is. I also want the clear sound. I also like the look of the driver's more. And also, i will get ultra surround as my surroundspeakers. I dunno in my mind it's just a better match. This way I'll get as much from the ultra series as i can afford. I will visit my dealer soon to make my choice.
Makes sense to me! Let me know how it goes.
Just to update. I ended up going with ultra bookshelf. But honestly it could have gone either way. I love the system it's great. Actually i was surprised how big the ultra bookshelfs are, and like the rest of the ultra series, so gorgeous.
@@MattiasSjosten What size is your listening area? I'm considering the same setup for my 20x11x8 home theater.
You’re Subwoofer are to small
Just by Sony speakers
Sony soundbar is the best