@@Lucas-or1ic atleast u r a honest kpop fan, most of them lack vocal ability (no hate or shade), but then they stans get angry for no reason when u point out the facts
@@lydob2471 well theres kpop vocalists that have good technique but very limited if we compare them to the majority of the korean industry but its not like it doesn't apply to western industry as well. but i dont really mind pop vocalists because most of them are just trained to reach high notes with crappy technique but its still good that it doesnt apply to all
This argument is so stupid tbh. Technique doesn’t mean just singing powerfully, it just means being able to sing without causing any damage to your vocal chords. With a solid technique you should be able to sing softly, heavy, and everything in between. So when y’all say technique doesn’t matter do y’all want ur faves to be struggling all the time? I would rather my fave to actually be able to a hold a note......
Having proper and healthy technique means you can project your voice without constriction. That gives you the freedom to sing soft if you need to. Singing breathy is bad for the voice, and not being able to produce a big sound means there are constriction that don't let the vocal folds vibrate freely and the air get's stuck or is leeked through.
@My_name_is_Poetry M ikr sometimes I die of laughter when her stans think she is a better vocalist than beyonce, tori kelly,jessi j , jojo , gaga, leona , ect even ariana is a superior vocalist .
@@siem9329 exactly , but u do know an artists can also be a good vocalist like mariah who writes , and produce they own music , I feel like ppl like to discredit vocalist and only see them as singers when some of them are more than that.
Because she has one of the most annoying voices, that's why people don't like her, she's got very unlistenable voice, can see why Simon cowell didn't like her.
@@averyy6681 what if she's just pretending that she cannot sing... One day when she finally unleashes her true power... Then she can sing like Whitney or Mariah in her prime... People will be shocked... That's just the drama in my head tho hahaha
Some one once said to me Camilla is a better singer than Beyoncé. They almost caught my hands. I agreed that Camilla has a unique voice yes, a good singer yeah she's good, but better singer than the Queen? No!
"billie: has grammies" SOOOO WHAAAAT? Mariah's most prestigious album Daydream didn't got a single one and it's one of the best albums of that century. Grammys are no longer a sign of quality. They are all bought
@@idk875 are you talking about Billie? ofc she is talented and deserving. It's just off how Mariah only has 5 in her entire 31 years of career and Billie received 5 in one night. Grammy is a clout chaser. Grammy would literally give an award to anyone who is popular and profitable.
I also think that technique affects the writing and creative process. For example Billie might not write a melody like Ocean Eyes or Party’s Over nowadays because she doesn’t think she can hit those high/low notes comfortably/consistently live. She has less freedom and confidence with her voice. Just by training you can actually write more interesting melodies and you’re not restricted by your instrument’s capabilities.
Vocal range doesn´t really affect melodies... Every melody Billie wrote before she could still write now, the key would just be lower, the melody wouldn´t change.
@@jamesscarborough6038 Umm, yes it does? Range is a part of melody. Having such a limited vocal range won't allow Billie access to certain melodies, that she may even want to do, simply because she cannot sing them with that technique.
@@InvisibleTacoMan do y'all understand that Billie's issu is not that her range is limited ? You can't say her range is limited as long as she didn't show anything from it , what she does right now it's just a style , her problem is that she has poor unhealthy techniques
TRULY. I knew Gaga would be referenced a lot here, it’s no secret she’s well trained and stupidly versatile but somehow I wasn’t expecting Pink even though she’s amazing as well, but this just gave me a new appreciation for her and I loved her already.
@@survivorswapped7637 yes I agree but reason why I didn’t add Ariana grande and little mix in my comment is because they’ve been on top for years but Chloe x Halle are just starting to get some recognition.
@@micha-estla6860 yep and ungodly hour was an amazing album , when I heard they got nominated for grammies I was like thank god they worked hard and they great vocalist and performers . They deserve they recognition.
Contrary to popular belief, amazing technique and emotion/tone can exist together. People just use this argument as a pretext not to get technically skilled (weather through training or not). Some singers that have them together are: Beyonce, Tori, Jojo, Mariah, Whitney, Celine, Pink, Aretha, Patti, Barbra and the list goes on and on.
Exactly U see it all the time on Broadway especially with Elphaba. Elphaba is a role that has to go through so many emotions through her journey and in No Good Deed she is supposed to be angry/disappointed/hurt and the women who play Elphaba on Broadway still use Healthy & Amazing Technique despite portraying all these emotions in No Good Deed. So yes Tone & Emotion as well as Technique & Emotion can coexist
Ironic you say Barbra...she’s never had a voice lesson in her life. Not one. She’s said many times she has no idea what people mean when they talk about voice technique or the mechanism itself. But she’s BARBRA so...
@@jenniferhiemstra5228 My point exactly. You don’t have to take vocal lessons to be an amazing vocal technician. Vocal lessons are not needed to be an amazing vocalist. Otherwise, vocally trained singers like Jlo and Selena would be considered more technically sufficient than vocalists like Aretha, Barbra and even Mariah, who have not had vocal lessons constantly.
@@Ryan_K535 Eehhhhh I still lean on disagreeing with that only because everyone you listed is a one in million talent that comes along once every century or whatnot. It’s SUPER rare that someone with no formal training ala “Babs” is just that good naturally, so relying on raw skill isn’t something I recommend. Babs is someone who’s lack of formal training added to her charm and her voice is so unmistakeable that even I, who’s had years of training, wouldn’t want her to change that. Even Patti has had formal training, she didn’t rely on raw skill. JLo and Selena (did they have training??) have other things that make them unique and there’s nothing inherent wrong with that. JLo has vocally improved over time anyway, which I appreciate.
@@jenniferhiemstra5228 What I am saying is that vocal training on most cases promises a good technique and safe vocal chords. However, there are singers such as Barbra and all that I mentioned are just naturally technically sufficient. That is a plus that they start with. Rare, but realistic
To a point. These people sing a lot and there will be wear and tear if they continue singing like they do so technique is needed. Yet someone like Billie who sings in her restricted comfort zone can get away with it because comfort equates to good technique.
Totally agree! If you don’t have proper technique in opera, people at the back row of the concert hall won’t be able to hear you since there is no mic, and you could hurt your voice badly because operas are typically 1-2 hrs and not 3-5 mins.
you guys need to stop being toxic, there's a difference between an artist and singer, an artist can be a lot of things, such as a songwriter, a performer, a producer, an actor, etc, a singer is someone who has a style of voice and knows how to sing notes, of course there are mediocre singers who just stick with their bad technique and don´t care about improving, if your fav singer is like that don´t feel attacked bc it´s not your fault but if you do don´t attack others who just say the truth, singing is not easy and there are people who really want to improve and have vocal agility, so stop being toxic!!! please:) ps. and no i don´t think a great singer has to be able to hit high notes, he/she has to care about singing and improvement (his/her own health)
These are all just hater that got the 'technique' down but forgot to have a personality so can't make music that would bother even a handful of people. Let them revel in their hate. Smh.
Facts even though her voice is soft she still dodged the low notes bcoz she can't do them but I actually liked her performances until the final note- wtf was that 😭
Besides, great technique gives longevity to the singers as of being remember. The greatest vocalist are the ones who are remember in long periods of time.
people saying you dont need to be vocally trained or skilled is lazy and sad...Like you said and it is infact A FACT..when you work on your own vocals you are given enough room to be a better singer and form your own style but when your vocally inclined you will infact struggle and struggle and rely more on style, effects, autotune, and strain to carry your sound..if you are true fans of an artiste..love them but correct them and let them grow , not st back and be lazy and comfortable in a tone that is damaging to them long term..
@@cristi4n.anderson I feel like her tone became sooo much better its so full ,rich and has more soul compared to her younger self. Also she has more power when hitting her notes .
@Anime King I absolutely agree bcoz I was listening to some of her younger performances and I was like wow she sounds different but her voice change for the better .
tori has been working with the same vocal coach since she was 9 and it shows ❤️ i remember an old interview of hers from 2016 in which she said that she still goes for vocal lessons and that there is no shame in that as an artist bc you don’t just “grow out of” needing lessons no matter how old you are. she still has her coach on facetime before her shows to do warm ups with her!
Mariah Carey's mom trained her, even if it was informally....come on people, technique can help your favorite artists be vocally healthy for much longer.
@@ii7670 Mariah has literally talked about the fact that her mother noticed her nodules from early on etc. You can't have a Julliard trained opera singer as a mother and think at no time did that mother show her some technique.
Mariah's case is a little different. You can't say she is untrained. But you can't say she is trained. Her mother taught her breath support, singing through nodules etc. But Mariah learned belting and whistles on her own. Patricia may have said whether she was doing it right.
the 0:56 just shaded Mariah when she has all the songwriting abilities and emotion in her songs. Mariah isn't the only one, but she's a good example with amazing technique and amazing emotion.
@Anne Day exactly I wonder why ppl dont give mariah credit for her writing and producing but critics put her as one of the best female writers . Honestly she is one of the few vocalist who are also complete muscians and artists and dont only depend on they voice .
Sometimes her songs can be showy and she has talked about that but why albums like Daydream and Butterfly worked so well is because the runs she has in those songs are subtle, yet packed. Aye, Emotions has high notes because she’s singing about someone make her feel high, Honey has loads of runs, because Honey is smooth and *runny*, and We Belong Together has that climax because she is screaming out desperation for him to “come back”. Fly Like A Bird also does some of these things as well. Btw, I don’t think that makes Taylor Swift inherently a bad writer either, although her lyrics is the only thing that gives her any artist cred for me. On the flip side not everyone is into big belting and songs where you would lose your voice trying to sing along to.
It’s unfair to compare an artist (any) with Tory Kelli or with JoJo. Those two ladies are the current reference of excellence when it comes to singing. They have fantastic technique, and on top, they are very skilled.
@@lydob2471 morisette isnt great but not bad either. she's above average and still one of the most promising vocalists of her era. dimash is okay, his headvoice is top tier for a man but the other registers are so overrated especially his belts just because he can reach very high notes
I'm a vocalist and an artist. Technique matters. There's a difference between being a vocalist and a performer. The same way there is a difference between being a saxophonist and a brass player. This is a great video!!! Thanks fam!.
@@gaberielgoodman2882 I think we are making the distinction between Vocal Artist vs Recording Artist. There are different demands for each artistry. You don't really need to be a to be a great vocalist to be a recording artist... ya know what I mean? But that lack of technique could hinder a recording artist's career in the long run... or not ... who knows ???
@@zemi6586 uhmm very interesting but somewhat flawed logic imo ofc … Take Amy winehouse as an example… Despite loving her as an artists I wouldn’t say she is the most skilled vocalist in the world technique wise (belting, head voice etc…) … even than her perfect timing pitch rawness signature and timbre make her in my opinion one of the best live performers with most if not all sober (at least somewhat sober) performances absolutely outshining the studio version by a mile… Im not a musician and im not very well versed in vocal technique but I would say vocal technique despite being insanely important isn’t close to being everything as some vocal elitists make it out to be
If you’re not gonna wow me with vocals, wow me with the song. Billie does that for me at least. Her song writing and production is worthy of praise, as is her stylistic vocal consistency (IMO).
I also noticed that billie is more into the production and the lyrics and she doesn't care about the vocals techniques and vocals , if she gives some importance to her voice and work on her voice , her singing will be more pleasing to the ears and more Healthy for her
People don't know the difference technique does to a singer! Until they hear their singer's voice crack live and loose confidence for the rest of the show
Technique is everything in music barbra streisand , Dalida , whitney mariah celine , lara fabian , beyonce , gaga , ariana the success they achieved is the only proof
THANK YOU! I live vicariously through you sometimes. I think Stans have a compulsion to pretend that everything's an equal interpretation of art (to make an exception for the lacking qualities of whatever they're stanning..) I specifically love that you included that shady piece with Gaga talking about shredding her voice and pointing out that it's a choice and only is a mistake if you don't know what you're doing lol
I admit, my favorite artists are actually not the most impressive vocalists, to me they mostly stand out for their lyrics and to some extent their image/artistic persona even though I adore their voices. BUT I have a tremendous amount of respect for great vocalists (Beyoncé, Kelly, Mariah, JoJo, Celine, and many, many others) and I'm on the path to becoming one myself. Both these types of singers deserve respect and recognition, but we need to know where to give praise
That, and there are technically proficient vocalist who are also great artists and have admirable materials. Also, there are "lazy" vocalist who aren't even as good of an artist as their fans make them seem to be. lol
@@ieltcsn4712 Of course! I just didn't want to make the comment too long lol, but I am aware that there are great vocalists who also excel in the art of music itself, which is very admirable
@@idk875 I have to agree mediocre is selena Gomez ( no shade) atleast billie wrote her music and her debut album was great , even though I'm not a major fan she is not mediocre
If you’re gonna be a pop singer I think you have to have at least some technique like Rihanna/Katy. They’re not the most insane vocalists out there but they have just enough vocal skills and power to their voice
@@kait7404 some have good tones so i understand why they'll become popular since now a days technique isnt that big as long as your tone is pretty then you have a good chance on being popular and some are just not good singers (yes addison and dixie im talking about you)
ohhhh I agree with this so muchhhhhh, like for example I want to make music someday but I had a terrible voice LOL, so I could have just begun a musical career and call my ugly voice "emotional" and "raw" but I decided to get vocal lessons instead so I won't embarrass myself lol, I still have a long way to go but once you're able to sing effortlessly it really does make the whole experience more enjoyable! And in fact its easier to show emotion now that I trust my voice much more :) Great video
The argument that technique hinders emotiveness is probably the dumbest like My Heart Will Go On and I Will Always Love You, two of the best-known ballads of all time, never existed and weren't sung by Mrs. Dion and Mrs. Houston (and Mrs. Parton!)
0:58 hum, sorry buddy but a few things here 1. Grammys* 2. I think that we all know that at this point Grammys are almost irrelevant in today's days bc they use those awards for their own sake not to people that deserves it, it happened since day 1 but now it's actually disgusting. 3. Every single artist gets criticized, even if it's a good or bad criticism. This channel always has a good criticism and tries to say everything the best way possible for people like you who get mad bc we are not saying amazing things about you fave. 4. Having a Grammy award makes you immune to criticism? Let's not forget about Christina Aguilera, Megan Trainor and many more getting criticized for it and their futures works. Grow up people, this guy's work it's really good, enjoyable and a objective not like other channels.
I love Taylor and I love her voice the way it is. But she can definitely be pitchy at times, or off key. And I know that she would benefit from vocal training in the long run. It would not damage her voice as much and so on. At the end of the day, calling someone a “not trained” singer is not mean, and it doesn’t take away their writing or music skills😜
She's capable of reaching into the 6th octive. She developed her low notes with Folkmore. I hope she develops her high notes, too. But honestly she needs to focus on consistency. I was so disappointed watching the rep tour on Netflix because the Don't Blame Me peak was not anywhere near as good as the one at my show. She went OFF and add way more adlibs.
Gaga is a vocal queen! (She’s also great at everything else...) Little mix also come to mind when I think of pop artists who can SING! All three of them are great!
Didn't expect Billie being compared to Tori Kelly. I love both of their music but it's no denying that Tori has the upper hand in terms of vocal technique (there's actually a video of Billie complimenting Tori's voice in an interview). Tori's also very truthful with how she writes her songs. Now, what I love about Billie is her unique sound of her music that have had a huge impact in the music industry rn (well, even Tori is covering her music, it shows). She's also a great songwriter. I just hope she starts taking care for her voice, it's not too late; she's still so young.
I don't think it was to compare on which was the better singer, it was just to show how having proper technique can do for her. I don't listen to her songs, but her voice is soooo pretty and it would help her in the long run (so she can keep doing what she's doing without damage), so grow her technical skills.
The thing is , tori did falsetto and billie did white head voice which is harder to sing. No doubt that tori is better than Billie as a vocalist. They're also not hitting the same notes tori is doing d5s and billie e5, tori g3 billie e3
@@averyy6681 Tori's guitar was actually tuned half step down, so it was lower than Billie's. Even with the same key, Tori can still be able to hit those notes more effortless than Billie's. And also, actually, both are using falsettos. You will know it because both did sound so thin and airy. Head voice on the other hand sounds much fuller and thick. The problem with what Billie did was she was pushing or squeezing her throat for projecting those falsettos. Don't get me wrong, Tori's doing it too; it's just less tensed than Billie's. Tori's falsetto and head voice isn't actually her forte or known for her singing. While she can do whistle very decently, her head voice tend to be the weakest part of her voice. It's not a let down though because she still has great lows despite being a light-lyric soprano, she also has a very developed mixed belt, and don't even get me started with her runs/riffs/melisma. Going back with Billie, again, she's still so young, she just needs a coach to help her take care of her voice.
@@damsapollo lol you don't need to prove your fav to me ik tori is a much better vocalist than Billie, white head voice is lighter sounding you can tell it's white head voice when it's very smooth sounding babyish soft voice like what villa is doing , billie's falsetto is very bold that it's falsetto, apparently billie was sick during that performance idk if I should believe it but she's done effortless lows and highs in chest voice remember, don't base a vocalist on just one performance. Billie also has nice runs she actually has shown a lot but in different performances, times and videos. I doubt billie would actually get a vocal coach, she said her self "A want to be seen as a visual artist and not a vocal artist." That's why she holds back a lot and I wish she actually showed what she's hiding cs she's teased us in her harmonies and background vocals. Also billie's dad said she used to sing in whistle register when she was 13 for fun. So it's obvious she has potential. Also imo tori kinda over did it with the runs, her music doesn't do it for me, but as a vocalist she's amazing. I also checked and it still was an F3 billie hit an e3 that still is there, not completely inaudible but if she wasn't sick idk what happened in that performance.
@@averyy6681 Ok why am I getting an angry vibe here? You don't have to get so defensive as I am also aware of what Billie can do. Again I'm a fan of them both, not just Tori. I said in the last statement that she just needs a coach, but I know that she doesn't want to and she even mocks vocal coaches who reacted to her voice. In fact, she's aware that she is not a vocalist. That is what I love about her. She isn't here as a vocalist. She's a true artist and that was her point in creating music from the start after all. She doesn't filter and usually very vocal about certain issues. Tori on the other hand is not just about her vocals too. She has decent songwriting skills and not some generic pop lyrics, but I am aware that her music is not everyone's cup of tea as music taste is subjective. That is why Billie is more popular right now because of how "experimental" her sound is. Although, I still stand that both of them are using falsettos though.
Your absolutely right great trained vocalists are truly amazing as their voice can carry any style of singing with relative ease. They have the power to pierce the heart of the listener with their phenomenal skill. They need to be appreciated more for the time they've spent to hone their voice into a invincible weapon. But great stylistic singers also deserve the appreciation as creating a unique stylized voice that can carve a place in many people's minds & hearts needs a hell of a lot of creativity and work as well! So both trained vocalists & stylistic singers are amazing for totally different reasons so there's no comparing & putting one above the other! In today's scenario to achieve success both needs to work have in hand as there are a lot of competition just one thing won't cut it🤷! Especially because there are a large number of good popular trained singers but popular stylistic singers are relatively few! Stylistic singers are a relative new happening compared to trained singers so I feel that's why they seem to be trending now!
vocal teachers know the anatomy and what affects your voice positively and negatively. they don't make you a more bland singer, they allow you to learn how to control the expressions you're trying to go after and expand your abilities. it's about doing something in the healthy way, and some do instinctively sing very well and very healthy, but vocal technique is still helpful. technique is there to lift up you up and support you when your instrument/voice isn't at 100%. it's easy to make it work when you're feeling on top, but when you get tired you need technique to help you not push
TECHNIQUE MATTERS! 00:30 In a world where a singer's technique doesn't matter... "She's not the best singer, but I'd rather listen to her than someone who is actually skilled at their job," is the same as, "She's not the best doctor, but I'd rather visit her clinic than someone who is actually skilled at their job." make it make sense...
WORD. I get the appeal of some singers with lack of training, heck I even like a few of them myself, but like...would you go to a doctor without the skills AND training??
Noooo not really, listening to a bad singer won’t affect your health in anyway. Singing is about preference and sometimes people just prefer certain voices to others. I feel like people need to get over this obsession with doing things the ‘right way’. Skill is subjective, if a singer wants to use their voice in a unique way that doesn’t cause themselves harm then I don’t see the issue. People can use their voice however they want, it’s their art.
@@kusaekusae No SINGING won’t, but the analogy there is why is lack of skill accepted in the arts while it wouldn’t be in others professions? And as someone who teaches, you’re absolutely incorrect about technique, there IS a correct way to do things. Now that means something different from student to student. I absolutely support keeping ones uniqueness, but singing well and correctly is still necessary. I’ve seen many a student copy someone with improper technique and like any form of imitation, they pick up those bad habits. If your prefer one voice over another, that’s fine by that is entirely separate from skill level which is quite objective.
@@jenniferhiemstra5228 some ppl just want to listen to music, some don't care to listen to someone belt and use runs every 5 seconds. If you're going to a clinic that isn't skilled that's your fault.
Some artists really rely on their style and tone to a point where their techniques begin to decline , in order to keep a healthy voice and better performances they need technique, cuz those techniques can apply to every style and help them improve while staying in their own styles , without the skeleton/foundation and the base you can’t really build a strong/durable building no matter what shape that building is or what it is for
These delulus can say that Sohyang sounds "bland and robotic" with her flawless belting technique, but then we all know that people cry while watching all of her performance in Immortal Songs.
I was also that kind of fan that thought vocalists didn’t need proper vocal tech until I learned and watched Natalie Weiss’ private training video. 😂 Anyway, hEEEeey gUUUUuys
I don't know how Billie can sing like that all the time. It sounds good but it also seems like it might hurt after a while. Like I can feel it when I hear or watch her sing.
i'm a dancer and this reminds me of the same debate but with dance. i think people just simply don't understand that great technique makes you MORE able to make interesting artistic choices and express yourself more effectively. someone with great technique can always choose to make their voice sound light and airy or full and bright or whatever they want to do stylistically. you're able to do such cool runs and have a larger comfortable range you don't have to strain for. you literally have more options at your disposal to artistically express yourself. but people are somehow convinced that having good technique or trying to develop your technique is completely at odds with artistic expression and improving your technique will make you lose your creativity, when this is literally just not true. yeah, pop singers don't NEED to have solid technique like opera singers or musical theatre performers but all having good technique does is make your life easier, make your voice healthier, and open up even more options for artistic expression to you
THANK YOU!! This is a conversation and topic that fans should be able to discuss. There’s IS such a thing as objectivity when it comes to technique/abilities. Personal taste/style is a separate issue, however, the two may not necessarily be mutually exclusive. Technique most certainly can open the doors for artists to adopt multiple different tones and sounds and do them safely without long term consequences (ex. Hard rock distortion). Technique expands your abilities and choices .... it doesn’t limit them! Also two things can also be true at once... something can sound nice stylistically or be someone’s cool signature sound - and not be technically great if performed unhealthily. Its exhausting hearing people only make excuses for singers all the time (age, lip-synch, style, etc). If you take care of your voice properly you can sing amazingly forever! I’m so glad you make videos on topics like this. Stay strong in your convictions!
Its sad that people think Billie is an example of a great vocalist. Chloe x Halle are great vocalists and artists. No one is discrediting Billie as a great artist
Idk if you’ve ever heard of the Cimorelli sisters, but I’d be very interested on your take of their harmonies and individual singing styles/techniques.
Bruh chole and Halle, tori kelly, jojo, I even saw aliee a Korean artists. Their vocals are like butter, and that’s on having tone, control and technique.
Lisa Fischer is also a great example of a vocalist with perfect technique and knows how her voice works. :) And I wish Selena Gomez improved her technique tbh. She has beautiful tone.
I totally agree being a great singer and a great artist is not the same thing no, I don’t wanna be hit with the most technically advanced vocal arrangements in every single song every time but you can use vocal technique as the foundation to build your artistry on it doesn’t mean less advanced singers can’t be great artists, it just means technique might become somewhat of a limiting factor on how they express their art
Technique allows a vocalist to have more freedom to do whatever they intend to do with their vocals. The more proficient they are, the more things they can do..
I just wanna address something to people who are bashing billie on the comments : she is NOT sucks she's NOT a bullshit she is NOT talentless ( but she's not the best vocalist outta here ) she is just not a trained singer , she has limited skills BUT she has much potential to be become a great vocalist she has the potential to be one the greatest vocalists of her generation if she traines and improve she will get even more successful and big but overall she is an amazing talented ARTIST and no body can deny that as much as you hate her
No one said she's a terrible artist, the video is simply stating that whilst she's a successful musician, she's not a 'vocalist' and that's not to bash her, its simply focusing on her vocal abilities
Not every singer that has good technique necessarily WORKED on it. Some people are just born with the talent. You think Grace Wandervall took voice lessons since she was 2?? Some are born with amazing strong voice, some with a better capacity to belt, some with a great head register, some with an outstanding ability to do riffs and runs. Different people hit the ceiling at different levels. Just because someone's 'ceiling' of capacity of "technique" is lower than the other doesn't necessarily mean they aren't working on their voice enough or frequently enough. That's just maybe how far their instrument goes. Doesn't make them a lesser singer.
I agree with most of the video. With Billie specifically i think the fragility in her voice matches the feeling of her songs and that's why it works and people relate to it so strongly. Somehow Tori's excellent control (she's great) doesn't portray the same feeling. In contrast, fragility of Selena's vocals just makes her sound weak, bc her songs usually need actual vocal power. I hope I made sense
Mariah Carey, Beyonce are just some of the prime example when great timbre and technique collide. The thing with untechnical singers, I always feel anxiety whether or not they can hit the tricky part of the songs, or are they going to lipsync. There are many technically flawed singers who I believe choose to ignore the technical aspect for stylistic purposes, it doesn't mean they don't know how to sing, they just prefer to ignore it (which is actually unhealthy). Some at the top of my mind are Christina Aguillera, Adele, Park Bom. You know they are technically flawed but you just can't help but loving their timbre.
If you think vocal techniques make the performances tasteless or unemotional, listen to Lara Febian, the master of vocal techniques and story-telling with full-to-the-brim emotions👌
2:50 Jung Dongha could be a great example, too. I mean, adding "just right" amount of tension, constriction and distortions with a lot of vocal control does not take away great technique. Let's be honest. Using a proper Vocal Technique allows vocalists to understand their instrument and utilize it in the most artistic, creative and emotive way possible.
Well I think it's depends on your taste for me while i really appreciate great vocalist like : Whitney , beyonce , pink , sia christina , Jessie j, demi .... however them screaming in my ears even if in a beautiful way is quite irritating and annoying . to me , i prefer soft voices like Lana , Lorde, Selena , britney spears , billie , Taylor Swift ...which people usually think they can't sing for some reason just because they can't reach these crazy notes but idc i found them much relaxing
A good example of a singer with good technique is Moira Dela Torre she also sings like Billie Eilish that "whispery singing" but she can sing in a different approach too she can also sing in a much more open and full sounding voice and can also belt, you can hear this in her cover of Reflection.
I do not know why people take it so personal, is not like He is insulting them, they are just saying that your faves do not have the best vocal technique, is like if you have friend that is good in math and a Harvard teacher told you that he is good but not that great, you just have to accept it, is not that big of a deal.
Some constructive feedback: can you please normalize the video volume a bit better? Your voice is rather silent compared to the loud clips and as a result Gaga trying to sing her lungs out woke up my mother 😂😂😂 otherwise it's perfect 👌
Hi! I've seen your comments in regards to volume throughout my videos, I always optimize the volume of all the clips I use to my speaking voice manually, I've never really received any comments like that, I don't know, to me it sounds like you could listen to an entire video without really any volume modifications, at least that's how it sounds on my device
@@aintnootherfan it does change the volume throughout the video... I had to turn it down when the singing started and turn it up so I could hear you properly :/
Madonna is not exactly a bad singer though. She is just inconsistent since she doesn't maintain the technique she learned while training for Evita. Her voice actually has a handful of admirable qualities including a dark lower register and a sweet middle range (particularly in the 4th octave).
I'm totally on board with everything you said when it comes to the importance of developing technique (no matter the musical style) and having more tools to express yourself without losing sight of individuality. Having said that, I have to confess this: what really bothers me about North American pop in general is that singers seem to think they need to have vocal runs in EVERY SINGLE VERSE. For me, it kind of feels like a top model stopping after every step on the catwalk to shout "hey, you see how slim my waist is? How 'bout my thighs? Did you notice it? Look at my shiny hair!". Yeah, skills are important. But so is keeping in mind the listener's experience, y'know? Everything in good measure.
I’m in agreement with this- vocal technique adds freedom to do whatever it is you want. Healthy placement is also important for the longevity & stamina required by professional artists. We consider physical fitness but just because we can’t see those vocal cords and muscles, doesn’t mean they don’t require working out. As a person paying to see someone perform, especially those who are earning a significant amount, I wouldn’t pay to see someone who doesn’t put the work into essentially what they do for a living. Would you last in your job if you don’t perform?
LADY GAGA is the best pop start of our generation hands down. Amazing lyrics and vocals. Queen of all genres!!! Lmao those who think their artists are the best. They are wrong it’s Gaga, Beyoncé, adel, sia. Ect.
Exactly. Gaga, Beyoncé, Sia, Ariana Grande, and maybe Demi Lovato earn the spots of greatest vocalists of this generation (when it comes to mainstream music)
@@AP-mb8cu Sia could use some work, yes, but Ariana Grande is incredibly talented vocally. Her lows are decent for a soprano, she can switch from breathy vocals to powerful belting (not all of her belting sounds like she’s yelling. the girl has some power in her voice.), her falsetto is incredible, her whistle register is incredibly impressive, her mid belts are extremely underrated and sound extremely pleasant, she’s very skilled at her runs and her riffs aren’t too bad. Her technique, jaw tension, straining, and yellish tone could be worked on and improved, but she is definitely a contender for most talented singer of *this generation* along with Beyoncé and Gaga. Barely anybody in the the industry can compete with these three nowadays
Some of the artists are not vocals artists vocals are not the point of thier work , like billie she said herself , she's more into the writing and the production
@@idk875 It doesn’t matter if vocals aren’t a huge part of her music, she should have enough technique to be able to sing her own songs properly without struggling too much. Like no one is saying she needs to be out here belting, but if she was more vocally trained she wouldn’t be so limited
Now I can understand why I can't ever like other boy groups other than EXO and. Each members have unique tone, vocal color, etc they sound great when they sing as solo artists but when they sing together woah they sound even better. They sound hella great live than their studio versions. The description on Jojo that she can shift easily between different part of her range, has well-suppprtted lows, clear powerful belts, and great head voice, I totally agree because I've been listening to her sinceforever and oh boy those descriptions also fit EXO well. I know others may have other preferrence in music as to who's more popular, who has more catchy beats, who got more awards, but to my auditory senses, no one will ever sound as melodious and musically satisfying as them.
“billie may be limited but that’s what makes her so amazing” has to be one of the dumbest/funniest comments I’ve read in a while 🤣
Lmaoo the loss of common sense in that comment , stans r really deluded at times 😂
That comment was so dumb lol
With that logic, any random singer online doing covers with a limited range is also amazing ☠️
@@strandedtraveller1038 some people with limited range are great singers, Billie is just not One of those Singers
HAHAHAHA YES
"and that would tear your voice"
"if you don't know how to sing, yeah"
tell them gaga
i didn't know you were into pop divas, lucas
@@ngusername majority of kpop's main vocalists nowadays are just okay so it doesnt satisfy my thirst for god like vocals
@@Lucas-or1ic atleast u r a honest kpop fan, most of them lack vocal ability (no hate or shade), but then they stans get angry for no reason when u point out the facts
@@lydob2471 well theres kpop vocalists that have good technique but very limited if we compare them to the majority of the korean industry but its not like it doesn't apply to western industry as well. but i dont really mind pop vocalists because most of them are just trained to reach high notes with crappy technique but its still good that it doesnt apply to all
@@Lucas-or1ic okay
This argument is so stupid tbh. Technique doesn’t mean just singing powerfully, it just means being able to sing without causing any damage to your vocal chords. With a solid technique you should be able to sing softly, heavy, and everything in between. So when y’all say technique doesn’t matter do y’all want ur faves to be struggling all the time? I would rather my fave to actually be able to a hold a note......
Having proper and healthy technique means you can project your voice without constriction. That gives you the freedom to sing soft if you need to. Singing breathy is bad for the voice, and not being able to produce a big sound means there are constriction that don't let the vocal folds vibrate freely and the air get's stuck or is leeked through.
@@Ignasimp thank you for this.. please tell them more
@My_name_is_Poetry M ikr sometimes I die of laughter when her stans think she is a better vocalist than beyonce, tori kelly,jessi j , jojo , gaga, leona , ect even ariana is a superior vocalist .
@@lydob2471 yes, adele isn't a vocalist. She's more of an artist for me.
@@siem9329 exactly , but u do know an artists can also be a good vocalist like mariah who writes , and produce they own music , I feel like ppl like to discredit vocalist and only see them as singers when some of them are more than that.
I love Tori Kelly wish people appreciated her more.
i love her tooooo
She’s so underrated
Her and JoJo... They even had a duet recently (cover of 'Natural Woman')
True. Handsdown to her for her songwriting ang singing skills
Because she has one of the most annoying voices, that's why people don't like her, she's got very unlistenable voice, can see why Simon cowell didn't like her.
0:10 _"Billie eilish and Camilla Cabello are one of the Best Singers I've heard."_ 😂 now try to imagine this girl's playlist 😂
Laughing out loud at the moment!
Maybe what they implied is their voices are the best they've heard , even as a hardcore billie fan, I'll admit she's not the best.
@@averyy6681 what if she's just pretending that she cannot sing... One day when she finally unleashes her true power... Then she can sing like Whitney or Mariah in her prime... People will be shocked... That's just the drama in my head tho hahaha
@@ranmasaotome2876 she can sing lol, I also would like to pretend the same sinerio in my head lol.
Some one once said to me Camilla is a better singer than Beyoncé. They almost caught my hands. I agreed that Camilla has a unique voice yes, a good singer yeah she's good, but better singer than the Queen? No!
"billie: has grammies" SOOOO WHAAAAT?
Mariah's most prestigious album Daydream didn't got a single one and it's one of the best albums of that century.
Grammys are no longer a sign of quality. They are all bought
You still can't deny that she deserves and she's talented
@@idk875 are you talking about Billie? ofc she is talented and deserving. It's just off how Mariah only has 5 in her entire 31 years of career and Billie received 5 in one night. Grammy is a clout chaser. Grammy would literally give an award to anyone who is popular and profitable.
And don't forget Michael Jackson's "BAD" album set the record for 5 songs that reached #1 in Charts and sold 35 Million copies received "0" SCAMMY 🥴
Lemonade didn't win album of the year even as people continue to name it one of the best albums of the past decade. And her vocals go crazy on there.
SAY IT LOUDERRRRR
I also think that technique affects the writing and creative process. For example Billie might not write a melody like Ocean Eyes or Party’s Over nowadays because she doesn’t think she can hit those high/low notes comfortably/consistently live. She has less freedom and confidence with her voice. Just by training you can actually write more interesting melodies and you’re not restricted by your instrument’s capabilities.
Mariah carey for example... OMG her songs are incredible
Vocal range doesn´t really affect melodies... Every melody Billie wrote before she could still write now, the key would just be lower, the melody wouldn´t change.
@@jamesscarborough6038 Umm, yes it does? Range is a part of melody. Having such a limited vocal range won't allow Billie access to certain melodies, that she may even want to do, simply because she cannot sing them with that technique.
@@InvisibleTacoMan do y'all understand that Billie's issu is not that her range is limited ? You can't say her range is limited as long as she didn't show anything from it , what she does right now it's just a style , her problem is that she has poor unhealthy techniques
@@jamesscarborough6038 I mean when the song ranges hight from low ,if tou lower it its gonna be too low.
Damn those Gaga and P!nk clips...BADASS VOICES
I agree especially the gaga one I was blown away
TRULY. I knew Gaga would be referenced a lot here, it’s no secret she’s well trained and stupidly versatile but somehow I wasn’t expecting Pink even though she’s amazing as well, but this just gave me a new appreciation for her and I loved her already.
Chloe x halle are some of the most promising singers/artists/vocalist/actress. They’re really good at what they do. You should review them.
chloe x halle, little mix, and ariana are the best vocalists in pop rn IMO
I agree watching them grow gives me so much happiness , I hope they make it bigger in the industry.
@@survivorswapped7637 yes I agree but reason why I didn’t add Ariana grande and little mix in my comment is because they’ve been on top for years but Chloe x Halle are just starting to get some recognition.
@@lydob2471 fr 🥺
@@micha-estla6860 yep and ungodly hour was an amazing album , when I heard they got nominated for grammies I was like thank god they worked hard and they great vocalist and performers . They deserve they recognition.
Contrary to popular belief, amazing technique and emotion/tone can exist together. People just use this argument as a pretext not to get technically skilled (weather through training or not). Some singers that have them together are: Beyonce, Tori, Jojo, Mariah, Whitney, Celine, Pink, Aretha, Patti, Barbra and the list goes on and on.
Exactly U see it all the time on Broadway especially with Elphaba. Elphaba is a role that has to go through so many emotions through her journey and in No Good Deed she is supposed to be angry/disappointed/hurt and the women who play Elphaba on Broadway still use Healthy & Amazing Technique despite portraying all these emotions in No Good Deed. So yes Tone & Emotion as well as Technique & Emotion can coexist
Ironic you say Barbra...she’s never had a voice lesson in her life. Not one. She’s said many times she has no idea what people mean when they talk about voice technique or the mechanism itself. But she’s BARBRA so...
@@jenniferhiemstra5228 My point exactly. You don’t have to take vocal lessons to be an amazing vocal technician. Vocal lessons are not needed to be an amazing vocalist. Otherwise, vocally trained singers like Jlo and Selena would be considered more technically sufficient than vocalists like Aretha, Barbra and even Mariah, who have not had vocal lessons constantly.
@@Ryan_K535 Eehhhhh I still lean on disagreeing with that only because everyone you listed is a one in million talent that comes along once every century or whatnot.
It’s SUPER rare that someone with no formal training ala “Babs” is just that good naturally, so relying on raw skill isn’t something I recommend. Babs is someone who’s lack of formal training added to her charm and her voice is so unmistakeable that even I, who’s had years of training, wouldn’t want her to change that. Even Patti has had formal training, she didn’t rely on raw skill.
JLo and Selena (did they have training??) have other things that make them unique and there’s nothing inherent wrong with that. JLo has vocally improved over time anyway, which I appreciate.
@@jenniferhiemstra5228 What I am saying is that vocal training on most cases promises a good technique and safe vocal chords. However, there are singers such as Barbra and all that I mentioned are just naturally technically sufficient. That is a plus that they start with. Rare, but realistic
In pop you allowed to get away with more things however in strict classical music you either must have the technique or you can't do it, end of story
The period..😊👌
Same with Gospel music like you have to be able to sing with clarity & emotion
To a point. These people sing a lot and there will be wear and tear if they continue singing like they do so technique is needed. Yet someone like Billie who sings in her restricted comfort zone can get away with it because comfort equates to good technique.
Totally agree! If you don’t have proper technique in opera, people at the back row of the concert hall won’t be able to hear you since there is no mic, and you could hurt your voice badly because operas are typically 1-2 hrs and not 3-5 mins.
@@tuipaopao That, and the songs themselves tend to be far more challenging than pop songs.
I love kelly taking Rare & turning it up a notch. I always felt like the song needed a climax
That belting section was so satisfying full of resonance!!! 😍
you guys need to stop being toxic, there's a difference between an artist and singer, an artist can be a lot of things, such as a songwriter, a performer, a producer, an actor, etc, a singer is someone who has a style of voice and knows how to sing notes, of course there are mediocre singers who just stick with their bad technique and don´t care about improving, if your fav singer is like that don´t feel attacked bc it´s not your fault but if you do don´t attack others who just say the truth, singing is not easy and there are people who really want to improve and have vocal agility, so stop being toxic!!! please:)
ps. and no i don´t think a great singer has to be able to hit high notes, he/she has to care about singing and improvement (his/her own health)
agreed
Yes, if you like the way your favorite singer sings then cool :)
@@renzolozano6710 so true
fActs
These are all just hater that got the 'technique' down but forgot to have a personality so can't make music that would bother even a handful of people. Let them revel in their hate. Smh.
Fun Fact, Billie Eillish isn't dodging the low notes she was just unable to hit the lower notes
yeah thats what i thought too
damn💀
Facts even though her voice is soft she still dodged the low notes bcoz she can't do them but I actually liked her performances until the final note- wtf was that 😭
Spilled
@@lydob2471 her voice is not lower placed
Besides, great technique gives longevity to the singers as of being remember. The greatest vocalist are the ones who are remember in long periods of time.
Yes, Pink! She is soo underrated. I love her so much.
people saying you dont need to be vocally trained or skilled is lazy and sad...Like you said and it is infact A FACT..when you work on your own vocals you are given enough room to be a better singer and form your own style but when your vocally inclined you will infact struggle and struggle and rely more on style, effects, autotune, and strain to carry your sound..if you are true fans of an artiste..love them but correct them and let them grow , not st back and be lazy and comfortable in a tone that is damaging to them long term..
Amen preach sister 💅
@@EliSutarday okay 🤭😭
So true!
if i was an artist, i’ll be nervous af and sweating bricks if tori kelly decides to cover my song, no matter how casually 😭😭
100% agree I mean... listen to Beyoncé, her technique is AMAZING and she has amazing control over her voice
Yep I agree she is an amazing vocalist
Even now, when her voice is changing, she still has an amazing technique and range
@@cristi4n.anderson I feel like her tone became sooo much better its so full ,rich and has more soul compared to her younger self. Also she has more power when hitting her notes .
@Anime King I absolutely agree bcoz I was listening to some of her younger performances and I was like wow she sounds different but her voice change for the better .
@@lydob2471 I love her voice now! It’s so much fuller and richer now!
The idea that good technique means no style is so funny when so many of the world's most memorable singers had excellent techniques.
tori has been working with the same vocal coach since she was 9 and it shows ❤️ i remember an old interview of hers from 2016 in which she said that she still goes for vocal lessons and that there is no shame in that as an artist bc you don’t just “grow out of” needing lessons no matter how old you are. she still has her coach on facetime before her shows to do warm ups with her!
Mariah Carey's mom trained her, even if it was informally....come on people, technique can help your favorite artists be vocally healthy for much longer.
Her mom hardly trained her tbh. Mariah's more self taught
@@ii7670 she said Patricia taught her how to harmonize and proper breathing.
Patricia is a Juliaard graduate.
@@ii7670 Mariah has literally talked about the fact that her mother noticed her nodules from early on etc. You can't have a Julliard trained opera singer as a mother and think at no time did that mother show her some technique.
Mariah's case is a little different. You can't say she is untrained. But you can't say she is trained. Her mother taught her breath support, singing through nodules etc. But Mariah learned belting and whistles on her own. Patricia may have said whether she was doing it right.
the 0:56 just shaded Mariah when she has all the songwriting abilities and emotion in her songs.
Mariah isn't the only one, but she's a good example with amazing technique and amazing emotion.
Right, most technically singers write their songs also and they bring so much emotion out of everyone too
Exactly they were so pressed there a vocalist who are amazing artists overall.
@Anne Day exactly I wonder why ppl dont give mariah credit for her writing and producing but critics put her as one of the best female writers . Honestly she is one of the few vocalist who are also complete muscians and artists and dont only depend on they voice .
@Anne Day oop- 🙊 drag sis 😭
Sometimes her songs can be showy and she has talked about that but why albums like Daydream and Butterfly worked so well is because the runs she has in those songs are subtle, yet packed. Aye, Emotions has high notes because she’s singing about someone make her feel high, Honey has loads of runs, because Honey is smooth and *runny*, and We Belong Together has that climax because she is screaming out desperation for him to “come back”. Fly Like A Bird also does some of these things as well.
Btw, I don’t think that makes Taylor Swift inherently a bad writer either, although her lyrics is the only thing that gives her any artist cred for me. On the flip side not everyone is into big belting and songs where you would lose your voice trying to sing along to.
It’s unfair to compare an artist (any) with Tory Kelli or with JoJo. Those two ladies are the current reference of excellence when it comes to singing. They have fantastic technique, and on top, they are very skilled.
Ikr...not even fair🤣🤣🤣
it's not really unfair since it's attainable by every singer, though they might not have as big of a range or as precise agility like them two.
@My_name_is_Poetry M tori and jojo is technically better than all of them aside from sohyang and beyonce
@@Lucas-or1ic 😤 finaly someone who can see that there are many singers who are technically better than dimash and morissette no offense 🙄
@@lydob2471 morisette isnt great but not bad either. she's above average and still one of the most promising vocalists of her era. dimash is okay, his headvoice is top tier for a man but the other registers are so overrated especially his belts just because he can reach very high notes
When you put Celine for “technical but emotive”, I thought Lara Fabian would also show up for “Je Suis Malade” 😭
yeah i love l'amour existe encore but i defo expected je suis malade to follow right after
That song made me want to learn French 😅
@@kalaharigold4290 Me too!!
Caruso, is the reason I learned Italian. Lara Fabian is a vocal beast.
I'm a vocalist and an artist. Technique matters. There's a difference between being a vocalist and a performer. The same way there is a difference between being a saxophonist and a brass player. This is a great video!!! Thanks fam!.
Why are people splitting up being a vocalist and a artist..singing is a form of art so if you sing I believe your an artist
@@gaberielgoodman2882 I think we are making the distinction between Vocal Artist vs Recording Artist. There are different demands for each artistry. You don't really need to be a to be a great vocalist to be a recording artist... ya know what I mean? But that lack of technique could hinder a recording artist's career in the long run... or not ... who knows ???
ZEMI ohhhh ok I agree
ZEMI
John Lennon, Paul Weller, Liam Gallagher, Ian Brown, Damon Albarn, Kevin Parker...
@@zemi6586 uhmm very interesting but somewhat flawed logic imo ofc …
Take Amy winehouse as an example… Despite loving her as an artists I wouldn’t say she is the most skilled vocalist in the world technique wise (belting, head voice etc…) … even than her perfect timing pitch rawness signature and timbre make her in my opinion one of the best live performers with most if not all sober (at least somewhat sober) performances absolutely outshining the studio version by a mile…
Im not a musician and im not very well versed in vocal technique but I would say vocal technique despite being insanely important isn’t close to being everything as some vocal elitists make it out to be
If you’re not gonna wow me with vocals, wow me with the song. Billie does that for me at least. Her song writing and production is worthy of praise, as is her stylistic vocal consistency (IMO).
I also noticed that billie is more into the production and the lyrics and she doesn't care about the vocals techniques and vocals , if she gives some importance to her voice and work on her voice , her singing will be more pleasing to the ears and more Healthy for her
She was really sick during the ocean eyes performance
People don't know the difference technique does to a singer!
Until they hear their singer's voice crack live and loose confidence for the rest of the show
Technique is everything in music barbra streisand , Dalida , whitney mariah celine , lara fabian , beyonce , gaga , ariana the success they achieved is the only proof
little mix
mariah carey
@@mademiosellezandiii7729 her name is there darling
@@lydob2471 oh..of course it is. my apologies love, didn’t see it❤️
@@mademiosellezandiii7729 no problem 🤗
That low from Miley was amazingly supported!
The Camilla and Billie comment-
Stans are like so weird
Lmaoo I remember that comment 😂
Camila is one of my faves but she is definitely not the best lol
@@josef-1209 I like some of Camila's songs, but her voice is so grating and annoying to me. Idk if it's just me.
Maybe the meant voice or songs, if they actually believe that comment then ig they haven't heard whitney Houston
11:16 Yes u are right. Emotive singing depends on the singer and their ability to act.
"If you don't know how to sing, yea"😂😂😂😂😂
THANK YOU! I live vicariously through you sometimes. I think Stans have a compulsion to pretend that everything's an equal interpretation of art (to make an exception for the lacking qualities of whatever they're stanning..) I specifically love that you included that shady piece with Gaga talking about shredding her voice and pointing out that it's a choice and only is a mistake if you don't know what you're doing lol
This is postmodernism. Everything is equally valid to them.
I'm very happy you included a great variety of great singers. This video made my day.
I'm glad to hear that!
Ain't No Other Fan
Paul Weller, John Lennon, Ian Brown, Liam Gallagher, Kevin Parker, Damon Albarn................
I admit, my favorite artists are actually not the most impressive vocalists, to me they mostly stand out for their lyrics and to some extent their image/artistic persona even though I adore their voices. BUT I have a tremendous amount of respect for great vocalists (Beyoncé, Kelly, Mariah, JoJo, Celine, and many, many others) and I'm on the path to becoming one myself. Both these types of singers deserve respect and recognition, but we need to know where to give praise
That, and there are technically proficient vocalist who are also great artists and have admirable materials. Also, there are "lazy" vocalist who aren't even as good of an artist as their fans make them seem to be. lol
@@ieltcsn4712 Of course! I just didn't want to make the comment too long lol, but I am aware that there are great vocalists who also excel in the art of music itself, which is very admirable
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1:01 Yeah I remember seeing that comment. It was so unnecessary because this had nothing to do with Grammys at all
People need to stop getting defensive over there mediocre faves 😌😂
@Elegant Oprah The scammies are really just embarrassing at this point, like really.....yummy???????
@Elegant Oprah billie is not mediocre smh
@Elegant Oprah billie is way too far to be mediocre but she's not the best either she just a good at what she's doing you still can't deny that
@@idk875 I have to agree mediocre is selena Gomez ( no shade) atleast billie wrote her music and her debut album was great , even though I'm not a major fan she is not mediocre
Tori Kelly is the most underrated artist of this generation (except for mabey Jojo and Faouzia)...
It's a shame I wish these queens got the recognition they deserve
It really is a shame...😔😔😔
And Perrie Edwards
she pretty good too:)
Faouzia is amazing !! Not many ppl know her , sadly.
Billie's falsetto/head voice is so pretty omg she need to develop it further
Her head voice is underdeveloped i hope she will improve in the future
Billie with a developed head voice would be the best thing to happen to me
Her tone is beautiful, if only she develope her tecnique
If you’re gonna be a pop singer I think you have to have at least some technique like Rihanna/Katy. They’re not the most insane vocalists out there but they have just enough vocal skills and power to their voice
People make any one famous these days same with the tiktokers wanting to be singers there fans really bullshit them into thinking they can sing
@@kait7404 some have good tones so i understand why they'll become popular since now a days technique isnt that big as long as your tone is pretty then you have a good chance on being popular
and some are just not good singers (yes addison and dixie im talking about you)
@@applesaredelicious8570 yes exactly they just in music to have something to do when tiktok runs out u can litt see right threw out
word
Rihanna has a bad vocal technique 😂
ohhhh I agree with this so muchhhhhh,
like for example I want to make music someday but I had a terrible voice LOL, so I could have just begun a musical career and call my ugly voice "emotional" and "raw" but I decided to get vocal lessons instead so I won't embarrass myself lol, I still have a long way to go but once you're able to sing effortlessly it really does make the whole experience more enjoyable! And in fact its easier to show emotion now that I trust my voice much more :) Great video
Keep on grinding fam 💪💙
@@lydob2471 hehe thanks🙏🏾🙏🏾appreciate this singing shit hard 😩😂
I want to be a singer too :). I'm 14 so I have time and I really love singing. I hope you get a career someday!
@@alvernawiley8688 thank you!!!! Yes you have time just keep working hard now! You got this!
The argument that technique hinders emotiveness is probably the dumbest like My Heart Will Go On and I Will Always Love You, two of the best-known ballads of all time, never existed and weren't sung by Mrs. Dion and Mrs. Houston (and Mrs. Parton!)
I agree like that point is dumb and ppl use that for beyonce everytime bcoz of her incredable technique they say that she has no emotion 🤦♀️
@Anne Day facts 🤭
And also they try to discreted mariah were 98% of today singers cant sings her 90's in the original key
@@hamzaelaloui2070 amen
Go in y’all 😂
"You don't have to be a vocalist to be successful" well, that pretty much sums up how trash the music industry is. Smh
Right!
Exactly, by the way if you want to hear good Music , hear little mix, you'll love em all
Yeah But If You Are A Awesome Songwriter Like Taylor Swift People Will Love You
@@marvelstan_0114 I agree...Taylor's pen game goes crazy for sure!
@@krissy9128 Yeah Her Best Written Album Literally Proves That.
0:58 hum, sorry buddy but a few things here
1. Grammys*
2. I think that we all know that at this point Grammys are almost irrelevant in today's days bc they use those awards for their own sake not to people that deserves it, it happened since day 1 but now it's actually disgusting.
3. Every single artist gets criticized, even if it's a good or bad criticism. This channel always has a good criticism and tries to say everything the best way possible for people like you who get mad bc we are not saying amazing things about you fave.
4. Having a Grammy award makes you immune to criticism? Let's not forget about Christina Aguilera, Megan Trainor and many more getting criticized for it and their futures works.
Grow up people, this guy's work it's really good, enjoyable and a objective not like other channels.
I do think Billie has a great voice and she has a lot to learn. She's still very young and though the years she can improve.
I love Taylor and I love her voice the way it is. But she can definitely be pitchy at times, or off key. And I know that she would benefit from vocal training in the long run. It would not damage her voice as much and so on. At the end of the day, calling someone a “not trained” singer is not mean, and it doesn’t take away their writing or music skills😜
She's capable of reaching into the 6th octive. She developed her low notes with Folkmore. I hope she develops her high notes, too. But honestly she needs to focus on consistency. I was so disappointed watching the rep tour on Netflix because the Don't Blame Me peak was not anywhere near as good as the one at my show. She went OFF and add way more adlibs.
Gaga is a vocal queen! (She’s also great at everything else...) Little mix also come to mind when I think of pop artists who can SING! All three of them are great!
gaga is more than a pop artist, when are you going to understand it.
@@melisagalvalizi6982 what the hell kind of comment is that. Chill.
@@user-bj7em4fv1pshe sings many genres and people are still not seeing this. Sge sings jazz,rock,pop,electronic and more
Didn't expect Billie being compared to Tori Kelly. I love both of their music but it's no denying that Tori has the upper hand in terms of vocal technique (there's actually a video of Billie complimenting Tori's voice in an interview). Tori's also very truthful with how she writes her songs. Now, what I love about Billie is her unique sound of her music that have had a huge impact in the music industry rn (well, even Tori is covering her music, it shows). She's also a great songwriter. I just hope she starts taking care for her voice, it's not too late; she's still so young.
I don't think it was to compare on which was the better singer, it was just to show how having proper technique can do for her. I don't listen to her songs, but her voice is soooo pretty and it would help her in the long run (so she can keep doing what she's doing without damage), so grow her technical skills.
The thing is , tori did falsetto and billie did white head voice which is harder to sing. No doubt that tori is better than Billie as a vocalist. They're also not hitting the same notes tori is doing d5s and billie e5, tori g3 billie e3
@@averyy6681 Tori's guitar was actually tuned half step down, so it was lower than Billie's. Even with the same key, Tori can still be able to hit those notes more effortless than Billie's.
And also, actually, both are using falsettos. You will know it because both did sound so thin and airy. Head voice on the other hand sounds much fuller and thick.
The problem with what Billie did was she was pushing or squeezing her throat for projecting those falsettos. Don't get me wrong, Tori's doing it too; it's just less tensed than Billie's.
Tori's falsetto and head voice isn't actually her forte or known for her singing. While she can do whistle very decently, her head voice tend to be the weakest part of her voice. It's not a let down though because she still has great lows despite being a light-lyric soprano, she also has a very developed mixed belt, and don't even get me started with her runs/riffs/melisma.
Going back with Billie, again, she's still so young, she just needs a coach to help her take care of her voice.
@@damsapollo lol you don't need to prove your fav to me ik tori is a much better vocalist than Billie, white head voice is lighter sounding you can tell it's white head voice when it's very smooth sounding babyish soft voice like what villa is doing , billie's falsetto is very bold that it's falsetto, apparently billie was sick during that performance idk if I should believe it but she's done effortless lows and highs in chest voice remember, don't base a vocalist on just one performance. Billie also has nice runs she actually has shown a lot but in different performances, times and videos. I doubt billie would actually get a vocal coach, she said her self "A want to be seen as a visual artist and not a vocal artist." That's why she holds back a lot and I wish she actually showed what she's hiding cs she's teased us in her harmonies and background vocals. Also billie's dad said she used to sing in whistle register when she was 13 for fun. So it's obvious she has potential. Also imo tori kinda over did it with the runs, her music doesn't do it for me, but as a vocalist she's amazing. I also checked and it still was an F3 billie hit an e3 that still is there, not completely inaudible but if she wasn't sick idk what happened in that performance.
@@averyy6681 Ok why am I getting an angry vibe here? You don't have to get so defensive as I am also aware of what Billie can do. Again I'm a fan of them both, not just Tori.
I said in the last statement that she just needs a coach, but I know that she doesn't want to and she even mocks vocal coaches who reacted to her voice. In fact, she's aware that she is not a vocalist. That is what I love about her. She isn't here as a vocalist. She's a true artist and that was her point in creating music from the start after all. She doesn't filter and usually very vocal about certain issues.
Tori on the other hand is not just about her vocals too. She has decent songwriting skills and not some generic pop lyrics, but I am aware that her music is not everyone's cup of tea as music taste is subjective. That is why Billie is more popular right now because of how "experimental" her sound is.
Although, I still stand that both of them are using falsettos though.
Your absolutely right great trained vocalists are truly amazing as their voice can carry any style of singing with relative ease. They have the power to pierce the heart of the listener with their phenomenal skill. They need to be appreciated more for the time they've spent to hone their voice into a invincible weapon.
But great stylistic singers also deserve the appreciation as creating a unique stylized voice that can carve a place in many people's minds & hearts needs a hell of a lot of creativity and work as well!
So both trained vocalists & stylistic singers are amazing for totally different reasons so there's no comparing & putting one above the other!
In today's scenario to achieve success both needs to work have in hand as there are a lot of competition just one thing won't cut it🤷! Especially because there are a large number of good popular trained singers but popular stylistic singers are relatively few! Stylistic singers are a relative new happening compared to trained singers so I feel that's why they seem to be trending now!
vocal teachers know the anatomy and what affects your voice positively and negatively. they don't make you a more bland singer, they allow you to learn how to control the expressions you're trying to go after and expand your abilities. it's about doing something in the healthy way, and some do instinctively sing very well and very healthy, but vocal technique is still helpful. technique is there to lift up you up and support you when your instrument/voice isn't at 100%. it's easy to make it work when you're feeling on top, but when you get tired you need technique to help you not push
12:50 JOJO sit and hit that note like nothing🙃🙃
4:38 opening up with Miley 😍😘
TECHNIQUE MATTERS! 00:30 In a world where a singer's technique doesn't matter... "She's not the best singer, but I'd rather listen to her than someone who is actually skilled at their job," is the same as, "She's not the best doctor, but I'd rather visit her clinic than someone who is actually skilled at their job." make it make sense...
WORD. I get the appeal of some singers with lack of training, heck I even like a few of them myself, but like...would you go to a doctor without the skills AND training??
Noooo not really, listening to a bad singer won’t affect your health in anyway. Singing is about preference and sometimes people just prefer certain voices to others. I feel like people need to get over this obsession with doing things the ‘right way’. Skill is subjective, if a singer wants to use their voice in a unique way that doesn’t cause themselves harm then I don’t see the issue. People can use their voice however they want, it’s their art.
@@kusaekusae No SINGING won’t, but the analogy there is why is lack of skill accepted in the arts while it wouldn’t be in others professions? And as someone who teaches, you’re absolutely incorrect about technique, there IS a correct way to do things. Now that means something different from student to student. I absolutely support keeping ones uniqueness, but singing well and correctly is still necessary. I’ve seen many a student copy someone with improper technique and like any form of imitation, they pick up those bad habits. If your prefer one voice over another, that’s fine by that is entirely separate from skill level which is quite objective.
@@jenniferhiemstra5228 some ppl just want to listen to music, some don't care to listen to someone belt and use runs every 5 seconds. If you're going to a clinic that isn't skilled that's your fault.
@@averyy6681 technique is not just belting and running… jsyk
Wow Jojo appreciation?! I love this.
Always on my channel!
Some artists really rely on their style and tone to a point where their techniques begin to decline , in order to keep a healthy voice and better performances they need technique, cuz those techniques can apply to every style and help them improve while staying in their own styles , without the skeleton/foundation and the base you can’t really build a strong/durable building no matter what shape that building is or what it is for
These delulus can say that Sohyang sounds "bland and robotic" with her flawless belting technique, but then we all know that people cry while watching all of her performance in Immortal Songs.
Thanks for this vid! Ugh love that you mentioned tori kelly and jojo here!
I was also that kind of fan that thought vocalists didn’t need proper vocal tech until I learned and watched Natalie Weiss’ private training video. 😂
Anyway, hEEEeey gUUUUuys
I've never agreed with a channel on music as much as this one. Others are either wrong or biased.
I still have trouble to find out why people can have problems understanding the point😂😂
I don't know how Billie can sing like that all the time. It sounds good but it also seems like it might hurt after a while. Like I can feel it when I hear or watch her sing.
It's actually not Healthy
Singing with excessive airiness is a bad idea for the long-term vocal health
i'm a dancer and this reminds me of the same debate but with dance. i think people just simply don't understand that great technique makes you MORE able to make interesting artistic choices and express yourself more effectively. someone with great technique can always choose to make their voice sound light and airy or full and bright or whatever they want to do stylistically. you're able to do such cool runs and have a larger comfortable range you don't have to strain for. you literally have more options at your disposal to artistically express yourself. but people are somehow convinced that having good technique or trying to develop your technique is completely at odds with artistic expression and improving your technique will make you lose your creativity, when this is literally just not true. yeah, pop singers don't NEED to have solid technique like opera singers or musical theatre performers but all having good technique does is make your life easier, make your voice healthier, and open up even more options for artistic expression to you
THANK YOU!! This is a conversation and topic that fans should be able to discuss.
There’s IS such a thing as objectivity when it comes to technique/abilities. Personal taste/style is a separate issue, however, the two may not necessarily be mutually exclusive. Technique most certainly can open the doors for artists to adopt multiple different tones and sounds and do them safely without long term consequences (ex. Hard rock distortion). Technique expands your abilities and choices .... it doesn’t limit them! Also two things can also be true at once... something can sound nice stylistically or be someone’s cool signature sound - and not be technically great if performed unhealthily. Its exhausting hearing people only make excuses for singers all the time (age, lip-synch, style, etc). If you take care of your voice properly you can sing amazingly forever!
I’m so glad you make videos on topics like this. Stay strong in your convictions!
I loved this video!! 💞
Someone with technique will be able to control every voice aspect including emotion so...
5:51 Goddess Perrie Edwards and her iconic high note in SLS, its all to me✨✨
the whole part from 1:48 to 2:12 GO OFF KING 👏🏽👏🏽
Vocal Techniques is VERY IMPORTANT and Shouldn't be swept under the rug for popularity
Its sad that people think Billie is an example of a great vocalist. Chloe x Halle are great vocalists and artists. No one is discrediting Billie as a great artist
It's about skill. If you're doing something, why not try to do it well?
remembering the time a selena gomez fan said that technique/singing doesn't matter because it's the music industry, not the voice
Idk if you’ve ever heard of the Cimorelli sisters, but I’d be very interested on your take of their harmonies and individual singing styles/techniques.
omg yesss!!!
yass!
Yesss !!
Mariah then Morissette in succeeding clips, YES
Bruh chole and Halle, tori kelly, jojo, I even saw aliee a Korean artists. Their vocals are like butter, and that’s on having tone, control and technique.
Lisa Fischer is also a great example of a vocalist with perfect technique and knows how her voice works. :) And I wish Selena Gomez improved her technique tbh. She has beautiful tone.
If i have a voice like Tori Kelly's, I would never shut up for the rest of my life!
Whitney Houston, is a very good example of someone who sings with great technique. You haven't included her techniques in this video.
so happy that you use Luna(F(X) for the head voice section she have good support up to Bb5.
Btw I LOVE UR VIDEO!
I totally agree
being a great singer and a great artist is not the same thing
no, I don’t wanna be hit with the most technically advanced vocal arrangements in every single song every time but you can use vocal technique as the foundation to build your artistry on
it doesn’t mean less advanced singers can’t be great artists, it just means technique might become somewhat of a limiting factor on how they express their art
Technique allows a vocalist to have more freedom to do whatever they intend to do with their vocals. The more proficient they are, the more things they can do..
I just wanna address something to people who are bashing billie on the comments : she is NOT sucks she's NOT a bullshit she is NOT talentless ( but she's not the best vocalist outta here ) she is just not a trained singer , she has limited skills BUT she has much potential to be become a great vocalist she has the potential to be one the greatest vocalists of her generation if she traines and improve she will get even more successful and big but overall she is an amazing talented ARTIST and no body can deny that as much as you hate her
No one said she's a terrible artist, the video is simply stating that whilst she's a successful musician, she's not a 'vocalist' and that's not to bash her, its simply focusing on her vocal abilities
@@obibrandon7534 read the comments and then you can talk lmao i didn't say that just like that
@@obibrandon7534 and I'm not talking to the owner of this channel bc I agree with him and i have nothing against him
@@idk875 I should have added "...and" Before typing, I aimed to add to what you were saying, for those who would still be upset
@Yes Iam that's vague until you explain how
Thank you for showcasing Jojo. She is so slept on.
Not every singer that has good technique necessarily WORKED on it. Some people are just born with the talent. You think Grace Wandervall took voice lessons since she was 2??
Some are born with amazing strong voice, some with a better capacity to belt, some with a great head register, some with an outstanding ability to do riffs and runs. Different people hit the ceiling at different levels. Just because someone's 'ceiling' of capacity of "technique" is lower than the other doesn't necessarily mean they aren't working on their voice enough or frequently enough. That's just maybe how far their instrument goes. Doesn't make them a lesser singer.
I agree with most of the video. With Billie specifically i think the fragility in her voice matches the feeling of her songs and that's why it works and people relate to it so strongly.
Somehow Tori's excellent control (she's great) doesn't portray the same feeling.
In contrast, fragility of Selena's vocals just makes her sound weak, bc her songs usually need actual vocal power.
I hope I made sense
Mariah Carey, Beyonce are just some of the prime example when great timbre and technique collide. The thing with untechnical singers, I always feel anxiety whether or not they can hit the tricky part of the songs, or are they going to lipsync. There are many technically flawed singers who I believe choose to ignore the technical aspect for stylistic purposes, it doesn't mean they don't know how to sing, they just prefer to ignore it (which is actually unhealthy). Some at the top of my mind are Christina Aguillera, Adele, Park Bom. You know they are technically flawed but you just can't help but loving their timbre.
If you think vocal techniques make the performances tasteless or unemotional, listen to Lara Febian, the master of vocal techniques and story-telling with full-to-the-brim emotions👌
2:50 Jung Dongha could be a great example, too.
I mean, adding "just right" amount of tension, constriction and distortions with a lot of vocal control does not take away great technique. Let's be honest. Using a proper Vocal Technique allows vocalists to understand their instrument and utilize it in the most artistic, creative and emotive way possible.
Oh wow I've never been so early
Same!
Well I think it's depends on your taste for me while i really appreciate great vocalist like : Whitney , beyonce , pink , sia christina , Jessie j, demi .... however them screaming in my ears even if in a beautiful way is quite irritating and annoying . to me , i prefer soft voices like Lana , Lorde, Selena , britney spears , billie , Taylor Swift ...which people usually think they can't sing for some reason just because they can't reach these crazy notes but idc i found them much relaxing
Same!
A good example of a singer with good technique is Moira Dela Torre she also sings like Billie Eilish that "whispery singing" but she can sing in a different approach too she can also sing in a much more open and full sounding voice and can also belt, you can hear this in her cover of Reflection.
I do not know why people take it so personal, is not like He is insulting them, they are just saying that your faves do not have the best vocal technique, is like if you have friend that is good in math and a Harvard teacher told you that he is good but not that great, you just have to accept it, is not that big of a deal.
Some constructive feedback: can you please normalize the video volume a bit better? Your voice is rather silent compared to the loud clips and as a result Gaga trying to sing her lungs out woke up my mother 😂😂😂 otherwise it's perfect 👌
Hi! I've seen your comments in regards to volume throughout my videos, I always optimize the volume of all the clips I use to my speaking voice manually, I've never really received any comments like that, I don't know, to me it sounds like you could listen to an entire video without really any volume modifications, at least that's how it sounds on my device
@@aintnootherfan it does change the volume throughout the video... I had to turn it down when the singing started and turn it up so I could hear you properly :/
But most specifically this video... the other ones I didn't notice it that much
Ok, I thought it sounded fine to me, but I'll be more careful, thank you!
@@aintnootherfan no problem, love your videos always
When was the last time you heard someone say Madonna was a good singer? She’s still a legendary artist and performer.
Madonna is a good singer and amazin performer
Madonna is not exactly a bad singer though. She is just inconsistent since she doesn't maintain the technique she learned while training for Evita. Her voice actually has a handful of admirable qualities including a dark lower register and a sweet middle range (particularly in the 4th octave).
@@hamzaelaloui2070 - I remember Madge from the 80s. Even then people called her a mediocre singer.
I'm totally on board with everything you said when it comes to the importance of developing technique (no matter the musical style) and having more tools to express yourself without losing sight of individuality. Having said that, I have to confess this: what really bothers me about North American pop in general is that singers seem to think they need to have vocal runs in EVERY SINGLE VERSE.
For me, it kind of feels like a top model stopping after every step on the catwalk to shout "hey, you see how slim my waist is? How 'bout my thighs? Did you notice it? Look at my shiny hair!".
Yeah, skills are important. But so is keeping in mind the listener's experience, y'know? Everything in good measure.
I’m in agreement with this- vocal technique adds freedom to do whatever it is you want. Healthy placement is also important for the longevity & stamina required by professional artists. We consider physical fitness but just because we can’t see those vocal cords and muscles, doesn’t mean they don’t require working out. As a person paying to see someone perform, especially those who are earning a significant amount, I wouldn’t pay to see someone who doesn’t put the work into essentially what they do for a living. Would you last in your job if you don’t perform?
LADY GAGA is the best pop start of our generation hands down. Amazing lyrics and vocals. Queen of all genres!!! Lmao those who think their artists are the best. They are wrong it’s Gaga, Beyoncé, adel, sia. Ect.
Exactly. Gaga, Beyoncé, Sia, Ariana Grande, and maybe Demi Lovato earn the spots of greatest vocalists of this generation (when it comes to mainstream music)
@@thatonegirlyouprobablyhate Sia isn’t a great vocalist compared to gaga or bey. Nor is Ariana
@@AP-mb8cu Sia could use some work, yes, but Ariana Grande is incredibly talented vocally. Her lows are decent for a soprano, she can switch from breathy vocals to powerful belting (not all of her belting sounds like she’s yelling. the girl has some power in her voice.), her falsetto is incredible, her whistle register is incredibly impressive, her mid belts are extremely underrated and sound extremely pleasant, she’s very skilled at her runs and her riffs aren’t too bad. Her technique, jaw tension, straining, and yellish tone could be worked on and improved, but she is definitely a contender for most talented singer of *this generation* along with Beyoncé and Gaga. Barely anybody in the the industry can compete with these three nowadays
@@thatonegirlyouprobablyhate well sia isnt that great of vocalist
Beyoncé isn't apart of our generation
Having decent vocal training simply gives you more choices. Why wouldn't you want more choices as an artists?
Some of the artists are not vocals artists vocals are not the point of thier work , like billie she said herself , she's more into the writing and the production
@@idk875 It doesn’t matter if vocals aren’t a huge part of her music, she should have enough technique to be able to sing her own songs properly without struggling too much. Like no one is saying she needs to be out here belting, but if she was more vocally trained she wouldn’t be so limited
Thanks for including Pink❤️
Now I can understand why I can't ever like other boy groups other than EXO and. Each members have unique tone, vocal color, etc they sound great when they sing as solo artists but when they sing together woah they sound even better. They sound hella great live than their studio versions. The description on Jojo that she can shift easily between different part of her range, has well-suppprtted lows, clear powerful belts, and great head voice, I totally agree because I've been listening to her sinceforever and oh boy those descriptions also fit EXO well. I know others may have other preferrence in music as to who's more popular, who has more catchy beats, who got more awards, but to my auditory senses, no one will ever sound as melodious and musically satisfying as them.