F1 Qualifying-Races Onboard | F1 2004 cars vs 2017 cars
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- Опубликовано: 20 дек 2017
- Qualifying battle between 2004 cars (left) and 2017 cars (right).
* Notice in some circuits the layout has changed so the comparison could not be entirely perfect.
* I do not own any of the content featured in this video. The footage is owned by Formula One Management. All rights belong to FOM, as are the rights to the footage. 
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I really would be curious to see what the 2004 cars could do with 2017 tires. That makes a huge difference
and 2017 cars with 100kg less and with traction control.
4:51 ...Foster's beer vs Zero alcohol at the wheel... the thing has changed
And it´s a good change.
@goomba1982 Well now we have Mission Winnow, the Morris way to re-enter sport
And thats when the f1 got the big gay
😂😂😂
@@lehareelamoralcosmos4196 no its not homo.
2018 : unbelievable gearbox, amazing aerodynamics
2004 : Long starting speed, better speed on straigt line tho
a LOT less downforce to fight against
V10s make time on the straights, V6T cars are so quick through the corners
Patrick Marcello it's about the new tires aspect as well, the 2004 doesn't have as much as grip as the 2017
Yeah especially on the slow stuff you can see it skating around struggling to get grip. It would be sick to combine the best of both worlds and see what they could do
Patrick Marcello imagine V10 on today's F1
It would be amazing haha, combine the hybrid with the V10 and the power levels would be nuts
Patrick Marcello Nah V6 right now have an output of 1000HP, they have 100HP more than a V10
It is interesting to note that in the Italian qualifying in 2018 only six cars fell below 1'21 ", while in 2004 they did so in eight.
Slicks plus better aero dynamics for me v10 is 1000 better :D plus sounddd :D
f1 2004 v10 3000cc engine, using non-slick groove plus no ultra soft tires, no DRS, no KERS
f1 2017 1.600cc engine, using slick tires plus ultra soft tires, using DRS and KERS
if the era of 2004 and 2017 combined may be F1 can be faster 5 seconds
No kers
Not kers they use ers instead,
When they use kers it was push to pash in a way (or how you would use nitrous in other games) where ers is essentially always there it just has different modes, some with more power some with less (the f1 2018 game shows how ers works quite well)
You forgot the traction control on the 2004 car.
@@TheOtherNeutrino yes .. it's not fair to compare cars from different years and different eras .. it's better to combine all for a faster F1 car
Important to mention that it's not only 1.6L V6 BUT a turbo too, makes a lot of difference. They make about 860 hp from the engine alone, combine with ERS and you have 1000+ hp
Seems that most of the gains have come from cornering improvements. Tracks with lots of high speed corners seemed to have the biggest difference (ie. GB and Japan).
slick softer tyres
@@nachof248 nop. They are slicks, but the 2004 tires are softer
Wow awesome! I think monza was an important circuit to add.
Thanks. Unfortunately there was rain this year.
rferrerF1 Aaah youre right, i forgot. Awesome compare !
monza had different kerb heights in 2004 anyway, meaning the chicanes were a lot lower and so the apex was further out, particularly at turns one and two, which would give them an extra second a lap alone
Yeah could be that die 2004er are faster on that. You can see how much time the old cars are loosing in fast corners
@Jackob Jackob Let the 2018 car use Traction Control and unlimited engine parts so it can push the limit then.
2004 f1 cars seems to be way more complicated to drive, Rubens and Micheal were fighting against their cars while Lewis were flying in his car without difficulties
That was F1 before 2009
RNX SkyZii have you seen the steering wheels
vimeo.com/219197370
PD: Are you sure about that? "Traction control"
RNX SkyZii 2004 cars had traction control,abs and less power than today how are they harder to drive? ???
The cars today dont have traction control and abs.
I really like the sound combination of V6T alongside V10
Ramadhana Rudy Look st one of the vídeos un my Channel! Its the pole LAP of Hamilton in Spain with v10 turbo
La Sergypedia *high pitched
Ramadhana Rudy The V6 ruins the V10, the V10 sounds much better without that V6 turbocharged hybrid washing machine next to it.
Hotdog 5967 V10 ruins the hybrid whine of the V6, sounds better without that v10 angle grinder next to it.
Acho que os V6 tem muito mas arrancada do que os v10
You make the best comparison videos but this... IS GOLD!
Thank you so much! ;D
Thanks for putting in the effort to make these great comparisons!
You're welcome. It's a pleasure ;D
Crazy to think that a McLaren of 2017 is as quick as F2004. Madness!
if the 2004 cars also had slicks, the difference might be closer
Hamdan Ali and if the new cars didn’t have so much drag
@@hamdanali5203 what? Bruh that shows u how shit the new cars are. On the 2004 car needed was different tires burn some fuel and the gap is closed. New F1 is shit. U probably think pressing a button to pass is real racing huh?
@@hamdanali5203 he is only talking about the tyres, a simple change that had no real engeniering reason
This is a brilliant piece of work! Love it!!
Thank you! ;D
Awesome stuff, great job! I can't help myself, oh, good old days were so much fun
You're welcome! ;D
Great vid, well done
Enjoy this particular race between 2004 and 2017 cars.
*There are two pole laps from 2004 with mirror camera during that lap so the comparison there is a bit useless.
I think they're splendid rferrerF1.
Thanks!
Tremendous!!
Ferrariman601 Thanks man ;D
Just talking with a friend about this, and then the video popped out in my feed, grest comparison! Great Job!
Great companion video on the tracks where they both generations of cars raced on!
Thanks!
Watching 2017 cars around Suzuka is pure pornography. Ridiculously fast around the esses, never thought I'd see those kind of speeds there
very good aero + much better tires but still for me 2004 cars or 2008 cars are much better no DRS V8 engines zero hybrid mode worse tires worse aero and they were very fast plus in Q they have a fuel the same on start of race
It's also interesting to see how the tracks changed over the years
Not to mention the DRS and those extra power boosts lol
@ya Better tyres? They were grooved and narrower. We don't know how the compounds differ, so theres no way to compare them.
@ya In race conditions yes they were better. However in quali i think the new tyres are little better.
and the 100+kg and no traction control modern cars have. you forgot
@@adnanadi9898 the huge ass slick tyres and 20 years of aerodynamics progress dont need the traction control of those 2000s cars. Also, the traction control was much, much more subtle than most people think. It had only a slight use, otherwise no car would have spun or skidded, ever.
In many race they're almost at the same time,awesome.
without slick softer tyres
I like how the 2004 car is going so fast that the old onboard camera can't take it xD
I'm fascinated to see how the 2004 compares to 2022 cars given 2022 cars are about 2 secs slower on average
Very cool video : D
Thanks!
Amazing vid. I just think that you could have shown the 2006 japanese pole lap, it was the fastest before 2017. In 2004 the track was drying up from a wet FP4, so the track and the drivers, wasn't at the maximum.
The video is about 2004 and 2017 but you're right I shouldn't have included that one. Thank you anyway ;D
Can u compare the slowest Cars of 2017 (sauber) With the fastest of 2004 (ferrari)? That Would be very interesting
I'm sorry I'm gonna focus on other projects now. Let's see if someone hears your suggestion :)
rferrerF1 :(
Dark Knight Great idea!!
Now imagine the same video but it's 2004 vs 2018.
i prefer v10 anyway , cause it`s not gay
Taking corners at 200mph, just insane levels of skill.
Great job
Thanks! :D
Amusingly Kimi is on the left in some segments and on the right in others (e.g. Monaco).
Great job.
Thank you!
Imagine schumi fans 2004.”Currently off board” and one wheel smashed in Montoya when camera comes on.
The turbo, slick tires and the extra 8th gear help a lot. 26 second gap. Holy S***.
Nice job ;)
También deberías hacer 2017 vs los récords pasados de vuelta de cada circuito que se pueda, estaría padre saber que tanto se han bajado los récords de cada circuito este año
Will you do this again for 2018? There are some returning tracks too. would love that
2017 vs 2018 probably :D
that'd be interesting too.
Good video
Thank you :D
Muito bom esse formato de vídeo
Obrigado :D
Advantages in 2004: 1) smaller and lighter cars 2) thinner wheels (advantageous in straight lines) 3) aerodynamic appendages on the car body are allowed 4) larger extractor profile 5) narrower track (advantageous in straight lines) 6) more design freedom for the front wing 7) more freedom in tire management 8) more design freedom for the engine 9) total freedom in the choice of engine construction materials 10) refueling allowed during the race and no consumption limit 11) certain electronic aids allowed. Advantages in 2017: 1) more powerful power unit 2) wider wheels (advantageous when cornering) 3) tires without grooves 4) wider track (advantageous when cornering) 5) movable rear wing 6) wider front wing 7) more attempts available for the qualification 8) ... and above all 13 years of technical progress in every sector: net of any changes to the regulations and any change of suppliers, an F1 car is almost always better than that of the previous year by the same manufacturer.

The v10 Made it look faster :)
wider FOV on cameras. Wish they would bring that back
Would like to see the F2004 with the same driver on slicks. Different ballgame.
What I would really love to see is a comparison between those cars with the same tyres and the old one to have drs as well.. No need for kers, I bet they would be faster even without.. It was the golden era of F1.. The sound, the adrenaline Rush always gave me the chills when watching those cars racing!
Now F1 its fine, but with those small engines they are not flat out all the race as before.. And then there is the reliability issue, way to many damn dnf's!
good video
Thanks.
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No matter how fast the current cars may be, they will never be as cool as the late 90's - early 2000's era. In the current cars it doesn't look like they really are pushing or fighting the car, it just sticks, it's so boring to watch.
I agree. Its like they are on rails with so mucb aero grip. Yoy barely see any mistakes because they can never really push too. So problems the current F1 is dealing with.
Well you done the 2004 one :P
Thanks to your suggestion ;D
Great video. Put proper slicks on the older cars and I bet they at least half the gap difference.
I wonder what will happens if F1 cars having 2017 Aerodynamics(and tyres) and 2004 V10 engines
More of this!!!!
The mechanical grip and also some aero grip as well make the current cars really fast on corners. But of course id love it if it had the 2004 engines.
Its aero majorly. Yeah wouldnt that be cool haha. But still the cars would face the same problems. Still engine limits, still fuel limit still waaaay too much aero grip and still poor tyres
Keep the extra speed and the downforce. Bring back the V10s. The Quali sessions and the races were ragged edge flat out goodness. The sound was extra.
Synystr7 the v6 has more horsepower though- the main thing the 2017 cars need is to weigh the same as 2004
James
Exactly.
@@legosupremo it has more hp until battery discharges
The old cars , just look and sound better and it looks more exciting
What would happend if we add DRS and Super soft tires to the F2004?
Would you make a video showing the time difference between the 2017 f1 cars and the 2018 f1 cars?
Probably :D
Please upload the video of Azerbaijan pole of 2017 with telemetry. Thanks a Lot !
What's with the huge chunk of the lap missing from Spain and Silverstone?...
Imagine how wild it would be if they had the Group C/F1 engine regulations from the 90s. 3.5L plus x fuel for the whole race, do whatever the fuck you want. V6, V8, V10, V12, V16, I4, I5, I6, V4. All fair game. It would be a super fun variety for fans.
Back in the days a lot of track corners are differnet compared today
The v10s have 5or6 lap record's today In RACE !!
Also great video, more people could learn something. 0 It must been a pain in the ass to edit all this
Thanks! ;D
8. gear factory and slicks tyres
Tires, suspension tech, and sophisticated electronics makes the '17 faster around the circuit. Put all that tech in the 2004 car and see what happens.
In 2017 the run-off areas is much better allowing drivers to go faster and the 2004 cars used fewer curbs.
Those laps of silverstone were fast!
How can this bear the pressure to overcome the gravity of the earth ?!
Merci. It was interesting !!!!
Don't forget, no drs in qualifying in 2004. Even bigger than that, grooved tires and race fuel onboard for at least 12 laps worth. Add all these factors together and they would be neck and neck on pace. Then again, the 2017 cars onwards are much heavier.
No one noticed that Kimi represented both 2004 and 2017??
why didnt you include the 2 speed tracks monza and spa?
2017 monza wet, 2004 spa wet
pollemar 2004 spa was also a different layout
Why the fuck do people tend to forget that 2004 cars did NOT have the huge fat slick tyres used currently? If those machines had tyres comparable to the ones today, Ham would not even see the back of Schumi's car.
The 2004 cars had traction control and were notably lighter, it goes both ways.
I think that the major deference of the speed of these two f1cars is that the 2017 car is much much quicker in the mid gear curves...only in this field they gain so much time
Imagine the V10 having DRS and slicks of today 0_0
They'll last hardly 4-5 laps there, if actually driven hard
why was there no onboard in the Monaco tunnel in 2004
Wow ! Gg
What happened to Monza? :)
Monza
Lap Record; 1:21:046
2017 time; 1:23:361 (Sunny)
*artificially increasing the volume of the v6 so it doesn't get drowned out*
You got me ;)
2017 cars very impressive, but take into account in 2004 cars qualified with fuel for the first stint. Also interesting how many gravel traps have been replaced with nice run offs
So? A fully loaded 2004 car is still lighter than an empty 2017
@@PPedroFernandes They weren't fully loaded, back then they qualified with fuel for the first stint, so often they were fueled very lightly for the first stint
@@PPedroFernandes Just checked, 2004 minimum weight was 605kg, 2017 it was 722kg, so unless they qualified with 117kg+ fuel in the car for the first stint, the 2004 car was a lot lighter
@@thomasknights9461 but... That's exactly what I said
Okay in 2004 it was pure speed and driver, now we have slick tyres, DRS and ERS to artificially help the driver and practically no sound
Coming into this video i knew suzuka was gonna show a big difference. But damn ! those 6 seconds i sure didnt expect.
Tbf in 2004 the track wasn't completely dry.
@@rferrerf1694 yeah i just picked up on that.
Muchos dicen que si le pudieras llantas lisas y el DRS a los autos del 2004 volarían, ahora yo les digo, que hay de si los autos actuales les pusieran motor V10? Ahí sí literalmente volarían, los autos de ahora son una completa obra de ingeniería y un tributo a la eficiencia; con un motor de casi la mitad de potencia lograron que aún fueran más rápidos
Still, i think we can all agree 2004 cars actually look fast. The 2017 cars look so slow.
DasHermanLP cuz of the camera
Camera was at a lower frame rate, you know those black and white movies back in the 20s where everybody walked fast? It’s like that
Crazymouse60 also fov
It‘s not only the frame rate. Martin Brundle said the cars look slow as hell because they are so heavy. And even he struggles to find these 2017 cars spectacular, because the F1 cars are too perfect. It looks like on rails.
how heavy they are doesnt affect how fast they look, if two identical looking cars go round a corner with one heavier one going faster, that car doesnt "look slower". the 2017 cars, however, are enormous. relative to their size, they dont seem to be going as fast, since theyre about 40% bigger.
Bien hecho
Gracias!
If 2004 tyres weren't grooved... We are almost on the same level but almost 15 years later
That suzuka gap! Damnnnn
Well in 2004 the track was damp.
Quali in 04 was done for the fuel for the first pit stop! An in race they are 2 to 5 minutes slower compare to 04 car for the overal distance!
the 2017 cars are like 100+kg heavier though
Both 2017 & 2018 V6 Turbo F1 cars looks actually quickest.
Good solution for the new chicane in Spain
the only thing sure, that f2004 was an absolute beast machine
Pure power V10 vs DownForce and A v6 hybrid. I would take df any day!
I mean you are comparing super slicks with what looks like wet tires, so there will be an obvious time difference there...
Plus there’s the introduction of the DRS and better aerodynamics, among newer technologies the older cars didn’t have, so it’s not exactly a level playing field. Still interesting, none-the-less
Wonder what the 2004 cars could do with slicks?
Imagine the 2004 cars with slick tyres
Imagine 2017 with 3l V10 :)
I don't give a shit about times. I mean, which is the more emotional car? Which sound better? Which seems faster and harder to drive? Those are right questions... bring back this aspect and F1 will be more spectacular, automatically.
Engineers will find a way around anything that's thrown in their way. It wouldn't take long for the cars to be the same as they're now.
*2004 CaRs WhErE FaStErS ThAn ThE AcTuAl OnEs*
The 2017 car is much more refined, poised, with less bumping and twitching, and it seems to carry more speed, can brake later, and corner faster.
Not by much, but enough; and remember that a second or so per lap ends up with the slower car being lapped after 3/4 distance.
Thats because they have about 2 times the aero grip now.
Sehr interresant! Auf Strecken mit vielen langsamen Kurven kann die neue Generation mit den Elektromotoren viel Zeit gut machen, auf Strecken wie Kanada oder Spanien ist der Unterschied dann viel geringer... Japan passt nicht, da der Streckenzustand 2004 scheinbar schlechter ist (teils noch nass) als in 2017.
2004 did very good considering higher fuel loads, grooved tyres, only one flying lap
What if you wanted to watch a Monaco GP onboard from 2004 but God said
6:11