I know people don't understand but you need personnel like Trombley. You need killers in your unit. War is a blood business and killers get the job done.
Not entirely true. Brad Colberts rank does not allow him to make changes to the Rules of Engagement (R.O.E.). The order that declared all Iraqis on and around the airfield hostile came from Godfather.
@@hsiehman Yeah but that's also a bullshit ROE. Ain't no way that sort of shit can be ordered. Still I agree in this case it was not Brad's fault, even though he gave the order. Godfather's fault a 100%
Trombley is at least a sociopath. He does not give a singular fuck. It could extend to even psychopathy. His type are rare in the military but it does happen just like any other job.
Meesh was Kuwait who lost a family member in the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. It's been said his only real goal going into the 2003 invasion was to kill as many Iraqis as possible. You could not have had a worse person for the job.
Yeah I literally just watched a lecture from the actual LT. Fick earlier today where he went into detail about how dealing with meesh was a nightmare and lack of trustworthy interpreters was a major issue in iraq and afghanistan. Im glad I scrolled down a bit and saw your comment cus I was gonna say basically the same thing and now I don't have to lol.
I love Gen Kill the most. It treats war as an actual event of human nature The frustration, the boredom, the terror, and the sheer organized chaos that is human conflict. While still being respectful to the men that do this job. It’s not a show about the brutality necessarily, it’s more about, in my opinion, on the effects of war on the mind. How it turns you into a machine, a cog, in the greater picture. And that picture is very vague, confusing, sad, wrathful, prideful, and more importantly calculating
I don't know where I read this quote but it went something like "You cannot find your place or value in the world until you come to grasp with the sad fact in the grand scheme of things you are worthless"
I would say The Pacific also does a good job at what you've described as well. Also yeah I know, this is an old comment but thought I'd toss in my 2 cents.
Nice to see your'e watching Generation Kill as well. Havent' seen it yet but defenitely gonna have to soon. Even more so now! Read the book a while back, good stuff!
I was in Afghanistan, not Iraq, but you cannot apply western mentality in the east - they are very different cultures In one encounter, with the Taliban, a bunch of taxis came driving up to the battle area and about 60-70 people got out of the the taxis and half walked over to our side and half walked over to their side. They road in together!!! I turned to the translator and I was WTF. How are we supposed to trust the guys coming over to our side and are they going to ride back together??? This was a fairly common occurrence. And the worst was, these fighters would change sides depending on who paid them the most or who threatened them the most! I didn’t trust any of them
Lovely to have new videos from you. Nate and Brad are golden; the kind of guys you want around you in a jam. But you need a goof like Ray, too. Well done series. BTW, there's a relatively new reactor you might enjoy called Brandon Likes Movies. Cool and intelligent. I think you would do well with movies also. You're genuine and have enough to say without straining for more.
I like Gen Kill the best because the characters feel the most real. Also, it really shows the futility of war, especially more "modern" wars. There's a quote from Wright's book that really stuck with me: "...these young men entered Iraq predisposed toward the idea that the Big Lie is as central to American governance as taxation... few would be shaken to discover that they might actually be leading a grab for oil. In a way, they almost expect to be lied to." That cynicism, compared to the "heroic" messages of WW2 -- everybody knows this is a forever war initiated to fund the US economy. It really shows the bloodthirsty nature of humans, too. And the fact that these are Recon Marines and they're so damn smart -- and Nate, who joined "in a fit of idealism." And Brad stayed, for some reason that I can't understand. They are the killers here. They might be the bad guys. And they know that. I noticed you haven't updated in a bit! I hope everything is okay. I would love to see your opinions of the rest of the series!! You are so insightful, and I love that you got out the glossary and put effort into getting to know the situation from a factual/historical/intellectual standpoint. Also Nate is also my husband, so welcome to sister wives I guess! :D
I'm not normally a big fan of reaction channels, but I love seeing civilians of all stripes engage with one of my favorite pieces of media ever produced. I read the book in preparation for my enlistment in the Marines and the show started premiering right when I shipped off to boot. It's basically perfect, in my opinion. Of the HBO War Trilogy, it's my favorite, followed by 'The Pacific' and ending with 'Band of Brothers. I still adore the latter two, though 'The Pacific' more so because again, Marines. There's nothing else quite like it in terms of verisimilitude and not hand-holding the viewer. That it's also a depiction of the modern Marine Corps that I served in is a big plus. We've got a tradition of 'warts and all' when it comes to stories about us, and sometimes we even live up to it. And more Tealeaf cameos, please! Kitties are great bonus content.
Trombley is a kid, plain and simple. He is young enough to think that he has to present a certain "badass" persona, but if you look at his eyes you can see he's thinking about stuff. He would probably mature into a good Marine. As far as the Camels and the kids, Brad did tell him to light them up.
I'm kinda old, I'll be 52 next week. I have an analog mind in a digital world. My original comment above is shown as "Highlighted". What does that mean?
Walt is just as young or younger and you don't see him show the same kind of glee at the idea or act of killing and disregard for any consequences of his actions. Trombley's actions and words can't be explained away with just being young. He's a high-functioning psychopath.
@@williewilliams6571 highlighted means that your comment will show up near the top of the page for you so you don't lose your own comment. at least that's what i've figured out so far.
Generation Kill is the best by far, mainly because it's focus is so Narrow. Band of Brothers follows a 120man company through 3+years of war, Generation Kill follows 4 main characters in their Humvee through 30 days. It takes it's time and doesn't constantly show action, and RnR, instead it allows you to experience the monotony, and trying to keep yourself entertained that is 99% of war.
Okay, Godfather did not make stupid decisions. They seem stupid from the point of view of the grunts who don't have to think of the actual big picture, but you really need to understand what's at stake here in this whole deal. 1st Marine Recon in this episode is tasked with recon of an Iraqi military airfield, possibly housing a mechanized regiment of the Iraqi army. Mechanized meaning they have fully armoured infantry fighting vehicles and tanks. This airfield will be assaulted by a British paratrooper unit in the morning and if those paratroopers assault it and the mechanized unit is still there, they are going to DIE. Paratroopers are light infantry and not equipped with enough heavy weapons to stand a chance against an entire mechanized regiment. It would be a repeat of Market Garden which, you would remember from Band of Brothers, cost 8000 British paratroopers killed or captured because they were sent improperly equipped against armored forces and expecting an unrealistic relief effort. The schedule is incredibly tight and Godfather orders the supply truck to be abandoned rather than fixing the tire or moving any of the equipment because of this. And even without that delay they still fail to make it to the area before time runs out. So now the only choices are to let the British troops jump blind into a potential slaughter or assault the airfield and hope they get the intel they need and are able to pull out or just take the airfield themselves. Obviously we know in hindsight there was no threat to them or the paratroopers since the Iraqis had fled, but they didn't know that and they had to know one way or the other.
In this great series that is the one thing I was puzzled by, since the PARAs were not deployed to Iraq in 2003, they'd have to be at least in theatre in the region but none of the regiments were. Which total about 2000 troops across the battalions. It just seems unlikely that a single battalion would be used in this way. On standby I suppose one could be flown in from the UK but for such a time sensitive mission? There never has been any suggestion in the years since that the Parachute regiment were even prepared for Iraq. The British Army contribution was mainly armour and infantry.
@@dernwine Maybe, but they at least have a chance of making contact and then breaking off if resistance is too great, unlike the paratroopers would. So it is a lesser risk.
There is no way they would deploy paratroopers like that. They would destroy the armoured element first and then hit the airfield with the paratroopers. Market Garden wasn't just paratroopers, it also container a mechanised force. The paratroopers drop in, shock the enemy troops, and before the enemy armour could move up then allied armour would push in support. The problem with the plan is it relied on more than one thing to go right, it had too many capture points and the distance was too great to work. Monty didn't even want to A similar thing happened in Overlord, naval and air power failed to correctly suppress positions but the enemy mechanised division was really far away to be a major issue and the defending troops were limited.
5:15 no they wouldnt, thats exaclty the kind of people the marines want. Even if you're not that kind of person you become that person. *TRIGGER WARNING* In afghanistan, a few marines caught some rats in our base. They doused the rats in gasoline, lit them on fire, and had them run around in some makeshift arena where everyone made bets using MRE rations. It was like a perverse horse race. At the time it didnt bother me much, but now its one of the most haunting memories I have. Hearing the rats squeal and race around...
I once had a brief from a Doctor which involved the phrase: "You tell the lads not to, but before you know it they've made a ring of lighter fuel, set it on fire and put a millipede and a scorpion in it to fight to the death, the millipede normally wins, and then suddenly it's "Doc something bit my three days ago and it's really swollen!""
yea people like him leave the forces and join the police force in the states lol . About what one is our favorite show thats like asking a parent who there favorite child is lol i could never pick ether band of brothers or generation kill both are equally amazing
You seem my age(or younger) and yet you seem like you're intelligent,morally decent and can have a meaningful conversation. I know it's really stange this way,with all the bots and creeps and losers online. But I'm a real person, and i would very much like the chance to talk to you if that's ever a possibility. (that's actually all i would want too.. Just an opportunity to have a conversation)
Recorded next GK episode, 3x Barry episodes and 1x Chernobyl episode. :)
Sounds good
Eagerly awaiting the Barry episodes!!!
I know people don't understand but you need personnel like Trombley. You need killers in your unit. War is a blood business and killers get the job done.
Fun fact - Brad “Iceman” Colbert actually served 2 years as a British Royal Marine Commando as a part of an exchange program.
Wow, that's cool!
That WAS Brad’s order though. He told Trombley “Light them up”. He’s just as responsible
Not entirely true. Brad Colberts rank does not allow him to make changes to the Rules of Engagement (R.O.E.). The order that declared all Iraqis on and around the airfield hostile came from Godfather.
@@hsiehman Yeah but that's also a bullshit ROE. Ain't no way that sort of shit can be ordered. Still I agree in this case it was not Brad's fault, even though he gave the order. Godfather's fault a 100%
Trombley is at least a sociopath. He does not give a singular fuck. It could extend to even psychopathy. His type are rare in the military but it does happen just like any other job.
your reactions are cute af, i've been having a shit day but seeing this cheered me up a bit :)) cheers from canada
Meesh was Kuwait who lost a family member in the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. It's been said his only real goal going into the 2003 invasion was to kill as many Iraqis as possible. You could not have had a worse person for the job.
Yeah I literally just watched a lecture from the actual LT. Fick earlier today where he went into detail about how dealing with meesh was a nightmare and lack of trustworthy interpreters was a major issue in iraq and afghanistan. Im glad I scrolled down a bit and saw your comment cus I was gonna say basically the same thing and now I don't have to lol.
I love Gen Kill the most.
It treats war as an actual event of human nature
The frustration, the boredom, the terror, and the sheer organized chaos that is human conflict.
While still being respectful to the men that do this job.
It’s not a show about the brutality necessarily, it’s more about, in my opinion, on the effects of war on the mind.
How it turns you into a machine, a cog, in the greater picture.
And that picture is very vague, confusing, sad, wrathful, prideful, and more importantly calculating
I don't know where I read this quote but it went something like "You cannot find your place or value in the world until you come to grasp with the sad fact in the grand scheme of things you are worthless"
I would say The Pacific also does a good job at what you've described as well. Also yeah I know, this is an old comment but thought I'd toss in my 2 cents.
Glad to see you’re back. I love your reactions :)
Nice to see your'e watching Generation Kill as well. Havent' seen it yet but defenitely gonna have to soon. Even more so now! Read the book a while back, good stuff!
I was in Afghanistan, not Iraq, but you cannot apply western mentality in the east - they are very different cultures
In one encounter, with the Taliban, a bunch of taxis came driving up to the battle area and about 60-70 people got out of the the taxis and half walked over to our side and half walked over to their side. They road in together!!! I turned to the translator and I was WTF. How are we supposed to trust the guys coming over to our side and are they going to ride back together??? This was a fairly common occurrence. And the worst was, these fighters would change sides depending on who paid them the most or who threatened them the most! I didn’t trust any of them
Lovely to have new videos from you. Nate and Brad are golden; the kind of guys you want around you in a jam. But you need a goof like Ray, too. Well done series. BTW, there's a relatively new reactor you might enjoy called Brandon Likes Movies. Cool and intelligent. I think you would do well with movies also. You're genuine and have enough to say without straining for more.
Love to see you back!
I will request Kilo Two Bravo, 100% score on rotten tomatoes and a great film
I like Gen Kill the best because the characters feel the most real. Also, it really shows the futility of war, especially more "modern" wars. There's a quote from Wright's book that really stuck with me: "...these young men entered Iraq predisposed toward the idea that the Big Lie is as central to American governance as taxation... few would be shaken to discover that they might actually be leading a grab for oil. In a way, they almost expect to be lied to."
That cynicism, compared to the "heroic" messages of WW2 -- everybody knows this is a forever war initiated to fund the US economy. It really shows the bloodthirsty nature of humans, too. And the fact that these are Recon Marines and they're so damn smart -- and Nate, who joined "in a fit of idealism." And Brad stayed, for some reason that I can't understand. They are the killers here. They might be the bad guys. And they know that.
I noticed you haven't updated in a bit! I hope everything is okay. I would love to see your opinions of the rest of the series!! You are so insightful, and I love that you got out the glossary and put effort into getting to know the situation from a factual/historical/intellectual standpoint. Also Nate is also my husband, so welcome to sister wives I guess! :D
I'm not normally a big fan of reaction channels, but I love seeing civilians of all stripes engage with one of my favorite pieces of media ever produced. I read the book in preparation for my enlistment in the Marines and the show started premiering right when I shipped off to boot. It's basically perfect, in my opinion. Of the HBO War Trilogy, it's my favorite, followed by 'The Pacific' and ending with 'Band of Brothers. I still adore the latter two, though 'The Pacific' more so because again, Marines. There's nothing else quite like it in terms of verisimilitude and not hand-holding the viewer. That it's also a depiction of the modern Marine Corps that I served in is a big plus. We've got a tradition of 'warts and all' when it comes to stories about us, and sometimes we even live up to it. And more Tealeaf cameos, please! Kitties are great bonus content.
Enjoy your thoughtful commentary and summary. They put the show into a better context... as we are only seeing snippets.
Trombley is a kid, plain and simple. He is young enough to think that he has to present a certain "badass" persona, but if you look at his eyes you can see he's thinking about stuff. He would probably mature into a good Marine. As far as the Camels and the kids, Brad did tell him to light them up.
I'm kinda old, I'll be 52 next week. I have an analog mind in a digital world. My original comment above is shown as "Highlighted". What does that mean?
Walt is just as young or younger and you don't see him show the same kind of glee at the idea or act of killing and disregard for any consequences of his actions. Trombley's actions and words can't be explained away with just being young. He's a high-functioning psychopath.
@@williewilliams6571 highlighted means that your comment will show up near the top of the page for you so you don't lose your own comment. at least that's what i've figured out so far.
No they want that to an extent, killer instinct I believe is the phrase
The kid survived
Generation Kill is the best by far, mainly because it's focus is so Narrow. Band of Brothers follows a 120man company through 3+years of war, Generation Kill follows 4 main characters in their Humvee through 30 days. It takes it's time and doesn't constantly show action, and RnR, instead it allows you to experience the monotony, and trying to keep yourself entertained that is 99% of war.
Okay, Godfather did not make stupid decisions. They seem stupid from the point of view of the grunts who don't have to think of the actual big picture, but you really need to understand what's at stake here in this whole deal.
1st Marine Recon in this episode is tasked with recon of an Iraqi military airfield, possibly housing a mechanized regiment of the Iraqi army. Mechanized meaning they have fully armoured infantry fighting vehicles and tanks. This airfield will be assaulted by a British paratrooper unit in the morning and if those paratroopers assault it and the mechanized unit is still there, they are going to DIE. Paratroopers are light infantry and not equipped with enough heavy weapons to stand a chance against an entire mechanized regiment. It would be a repeat of Market Garden which, you would remember from Band of Brothers, cost 8000 British paratroopers killed or captured because they were sent improperly equipped against armored forces and expecting an unrealistic relief effort.
The schedule is incredibly tight and Godfather orders the supply truck to be abandoned rather than fixing the tire or moving any of the equipment because of this. And even without that delay they still fail to make it to the area before time runs out. So now the only choices are to let the British troops jump blind into a potential slaughter or assault the airfield and hope they get the intel they need and are able to pull out or just take the airfield themselves. Obviously we know in hindsight there was no threat to them or the paratroopers since the Iraqis had fled, but they didn't know that and they had to know one way or the other.
In this great series that is the one thing I was puzzled by, since the PARAs were not deployed to Iraq in 2003, they'd have to be at least in theatre in the region but none of the regiments were. Which total about 2000 troops across the battalions. It just seems unlikely that a single battalion would be used in this way. On standby I suppose one could be flown in from the UK but for such a time sensitive mission?
There never has been any suggestion in the years since that the Parachute regiment were even prepared for Iraq. The British Army contribution was mainly armour and infantry.
And whos to say they wouldnt have returned of the Marines werent there
Uh, I've got news for you, a Marine Recon Battalion assaulting a Airfield with an Iraqi Mechanised Regiment on it will also die.
@@dernwine Maybe, but they at least have a chance of making contact and then breaking off if resistance is too great, unlike the paratroopers would. So it is a lesser risk.
There is no way they would deploy paratroopers like that. They would destroy the armoured element first and then hit the airfield with the paratroopers.
Market Garden wasn't just paratroopers, it also container a mechanised force. The paratroopers drop in, shock the enemy troops, and before the enemy armour could move up then allied armour would push in support. The problem with the plan is it relied on more than one thing to go right, it had too many capture points and the distance was too great to work. Monty didn't even want to
A similar thing happened in Overlord, naval and air power failed to correctly suppress positions but the enemy mechanised division was really far away to be a major issue and the defending troops were limited.
This series angered me a lot. Just the genuine incompetence.
It's massively frustrating!
@@JulietteReacts I wonder tho if it's a good thing in a weird way. It shows us just how fucked this war actually was
@@reedlaverty3489 absolutely. Would rather this than some flag-waving , sanitised propaganda.
As a service member I assure you that this is perfectly normal conduct
There were times that I actually wanted to bash my head against the wall due to the stupidity of Encino Man and Captain America
Well done
5:15 no they wouldnt, thats exaclty the kind of people the marines want. Even if you're not that kind of person you become that person.
*TRIGGER WARNING* In afghanistan, a few marines caught some rats in our base. They doused the rats in gasoline, lit them on fire, and had them run around in some makeshift arena where everyone made bets using MRE rations. It was like a perverse horse race. At the time it didnt bother me much, but now its one of the most haunting memories I have. Hearing the rats squeal and race around...
I once had a brief from a Doctor which involved the phrase: "You tell the lads not to, but before you know it they've made a ring of lighter fuel, set it on fire and put a millipede and a scorpion in it to fight to the death, the millipede normally wins, and then suddenly it's "Doc something bit my three days ago and it's really swollen!""
Rewatch peleliu airfield. 4000 agent's 400? It dont matter how good your body armour is, or how Good the guns are. 4000 against 400? Fuck that.
Absolutely not they would not be tested out.
yea people like him leave the forces and join the police force in the states lol .
About what one is our favorite show thats like asking a parent who there favorite child is lol i could never pick ether band of brothers or generation kill both are equally amazing
You seem my age(or younger) and yet you seem like you're intelligent,morally decent and can have a meaningful conversation.
I know it's really stange this way,with all the bots and creeps and losers online. But I'm a real person, and i would very much like the chance to talk to you if that's ever a possibility. (that's actually all i would want too.. Just an opportunity to have a conversation)
She's so beautiful. Does she have an Instagram?