I hope than it will be something akin to what we had for Helldiver 2 and sony, imagine a shitload of random person dressed as the mercenaries... That would be quite chaotic !
@@violinher0Weezy’s 18 min vid on the bot crisis had a section talking about it starting around 6:10, but to sum it up: Years ago the WoW community were kinda furious about when they started getting dlc campaigns that were game-breakingly buggy, unplayable, or just mindless cash grabbing messes of updates, so they protested by having people make fan servers/mods to play a more classic version, Blizzard starting taking this stuff down, the community banded together to sign a petition to personally deliver signatures to the staff, and were even in contact with them. The staff went years of radio silence after that whole ordeal and seemed like they were focusing on Overwatch being new at the time, imprinting a false hope on the community, until they randomly revealed the WoW Classic campaign and basically almost all the changes the community wanted which shook them to their core. That’s kinda the reason FixTF2 is also bringing up the idea of a petition to then physically send in to Valve Staff, lightning could strike twice.
If they're going to pretend that they run the game actively by having a supposedly working matchmaking system (along with new seasonal microtransactions), then we should do no less than demand it actually be guarded against the cheaters and bots.
@@starmaker75 We'll probably never see a major update again. We're about five months from the 7-year anniversary of Jungle Inferno, after all. No sign of even balance changes despite the hideous state the game balance is in. But I do agree if they're going to keep releasing new crates and pandering for more money, they need to make the servers they want us to pay to upkeep actually PLAYABLE.
speak with your wallets people! petitions can be signed all you want, but if a month afterwards tf2's profitability gets no significant hit, then it basically tells valve that the community is ultimately complacent and all bark no bite. they're a business after all, and emotional pleas won't work nearly as well as affecting what businesses care about the most. cold hard cash tf2tubers are very naive, u even have very vocal critics like zesty still doing crate unboxes... like bruh, if u really got an issue with the game, how about stop supporting valve financially? use ur platform to tell people that affecting tf2's bottom line is the easiest way to force change from valve
@@TripleR7331 valve made 13 billion dollars in 2022, 10 billion from that was from steam alone, i think tf2 makes about 1-2% of their income which they can just basically ignore, sadly boycotting will probably do nothing.
@@kakikutya7912 saying that tf2 makes 1-2% of their income... 130-260 million? As if bro, it makes like 0.001% at most, we can't actually make a financial dent sadly. All we can do is express our irritation, but realistically, they have steam and there's absolutely nothing we can do if they don't want to act.
I can. Multi-billion dollar companies aren't exactly known for doing their jobs well About the best you can typically expect is Charmin making toilet paper that is both not going to catch fire in your ass and is probably made with child/slave/child-slave labor at some point in the chain
Bot hosts finally using their powers for good by going to the next big thing and drawing valve's attention to the bots that have been plaguing tf2 for years the old kamikaze martyrdom trick, 80% of the time it works all of the time
@@speedody2171 people still spend money on a product valve made that is barely functional due to neglect by valve. regardless of if the game is "relevant" to valve's revenue stream, they have an obligation to fix it for the decade's worth of consumers who have spent money on in game items and hats (and continue to spend money on in game items and hats).
Honestly mailing the whole list probably won’t even be enough to emphasize the damage bot hosters have done. They have, no lie, called a *bomb threat* on a university under someone else’s name, just because they were working to suppress the bot crisis. Likely hundreds of people believed they were under serious threat, and they likely didn’t even know what a TF2 is, just to ruin one guy’s life. In no timeline do these people deserve to walk out of this situation with a W.
@@emilygordbort7300but they won’t be. Because they awe jus smol witlle children, and their papas will pay any fuky wuky like they pay their breakfast mcnuggets
@@manunova5929 You are the one who didnt get my innuendo... If Valve doesnt fear the number 3 but instead they just don't care about it, what do you think will happen with the 3rd time that we are trying to do this? Now you got it?
@@pixavier9746 @pixavier9746 "We"? Are you actually trying, though? Or is it just an act? Look, other than the bad impression you're giving, I 110% understand the skepticism or even cynicism, but if you seriously want to cast doubt on my comment that was meant to rally people by using A JOKE, then commenting on the specifics of said joke, I "fear" you cannot be taken seriously. The point isn't that they fear number 3, and besides, you tell me what will happen if Valve does nothing about it's playerbase raising it's voice in public for a prolonged period of time, a problem that is bleeding into their other games and can cause an increased push from other communities, a problem that can and will affect a game they are currently developing. Not much besides Casual being unplayable in most regions and forcing players to migrate to community servers, other games following suit and Valve being put in a bad light and new players being discouraged from playing their games because all they see is infestation and the community servers tab is older than the meteorites that killed the dinosaurs.
you know it's bad when fish goes from his normal uninformative, deranged ranting to an informative and commanding tone. love his content but rants are the usual lmao
I made 100 posters with #fixtf2 and #savetf2 with link to the website, and I needed to assure several police officers that it was not a propaganda posters
That's crazy that actual people's lives were at stake over a fucking video game. Just goes to show how pathetic the bot owners are as if they weren't pathetic enough
Pics and vids of "I got headshot in 0.0001 seconds" don't really explain the most serious issue. To an outside, it just looks like video game nonsense. But Valve is a video game COMPANY that puts emphasis on the corporate part. We don't need 10000 personal accounts of not being able to play casual mode of TF2. We need hard, documented, verified evidence of the advertisements, the hate speech, the terms violations, the cyber harassment. The stuff that a company HAS to care about. Not that "the current circumstances of this game make it unable to be enjoyed" because all that will be seen is "I cannot enjoy this game" which a company would not care about.
This. We need DM pictures, we need websites of the bot makers we need in game evidence of them spamming and advertising. You are correct. I doubt valve gives a single shit about how much we enjoy the game. but all these violations against the rules? That definitely seems like a stronger case to me
@@asonofliberty3662I almost wonder if a lawsuit is possible if Valve continues to ignore the game like this. It probably won't be easy, but I feel like it's the only path forward if this movement crashes and burns like the last.
On the other hand, he have a google doc. talking about it. God, we even know the example of one of them trying to scam and one of them swatting someone else. Even racism is found.
The only time Valve actually found themselves in hot water during bot crisis was during 2020 when bots were spamming slurs and some gaming journalism websites accused the company of being racist. Poof, the bots were gone for like a week after 1 day. So yeah, these are the kind of methods we should use instead of "Sniper is bullying me :'(((" Edit: or Valve will just get pissed off even more and just shut the servers down, who knows
@@turkishjanitor3666 If Valve shuts the tf2 servers down, they shut down the tf2 economy. If you think people are upset about the bots, wait until the stink that gets caused when people lose their $10K+ in tf2 backpack value. Not to mention CSGO's economy apparently nets them like 60 Million per month. And if they shut down one game economy, it's gonna have a ripple effects to all the other ones as people realize Valve can take away their inventory at their leisure. Lots of people would cut their losses and just quit trading/using the community market/buying keys. And Valve rather enjoys the money they get from that. Even if tf2 never makes them another dime, they've put themselves in a situation where they can only lose money by shutting down tf2 Besides, Valve isn't pissed, they're apathetic
The toxic positivity of SaveTF2 really did undermine the whole movement and, ultimately, failed to show how serious the bot issue was to anyone unfamiliar with the state of the game. Hopefully #FixTF2 will put a spotlight on Valve and get eyes on their half a decade of neglect
SaveTF2: "People, take it easy. We're all upset about Valve's plan to, uh, ignore the bots. It is time for decisive action. I have here a polite but firm letter to Mr. Newells' underlings, who with some cajoling, will pass it along to him or at least give him the gist of it."
Yeah, not gonna lie, as someone who’s an outside observer in this watching the original #savetf2 video (not this one), the only thing I was thinking was “if I was a sweaty bot hoster I’d think this is hilarious”. It was some guy talking about the funny sfm game like he’s trying to start a revolution. At best things like that only feed the trolls. The only thing companies like Valve understand is a change in their numbers.
It's cathartic to finally hear TF2 creators be brutally honest about Valve's wrongdoings (Ster tried to warn you all so long ago!). As for Deadlock being a problem for TF2: In a vacuum everything is fine. But within the context of TF2 being neglected, figuring out that the dev team is working on a new team based shooter is not a good look. They made the game that inspired the entire hero shooter genre, but instead of doing the bare minimum of maintaining it, they poured their resources into a competitor to the hero shooter genre years after it's relevancy? On top of it looking like another tone deaf trend chaser like Artifact, it's hard not to think that a smidgeon of the resources could have been used to update TF2, or heck, just make it playable! That's like if Riot stopped supporting LOL for 5 years, turning it into bot hell, only to announce a Battle Royale game to try and compete with DayZ.
I'm not, rdo is a smaller community considering rdo pc you can just go to wild rp and consoles are fucked with barely any updates except monthly bonuses. They don't really have extensive cheaters from my exp, they have em just not as frequently.
@@NovaProspekt19 anyone who watches his streams will see this shit. It's not like dark evil stuff. It's just an insult he uses, like calling someone gay or retarded, doesn't mean he's a bad person lol
@@danielbob2628 Think with your head. Suppose the dox is real, correct and factual. What do you think will come out of it? The SaveTF2 crowd doesn't have the guts to be rude to a company that ignored them for more than half a decade, let alone for a Drachenlord style harassment campaign against the botters. Botters can just shrug and get back to doing their thing, business as usual.
The worst part for me is that Valve tweet was tweeted on my birthday. The worst gift I've ever gotten for my birthday was false hope that my favorite game was finally going to be playable.
I’ve never experienced the incomparable glory of playing tf2. But from the videos, the SFM Shorts (or even hour long mini movies.) the songs and the seemingly un-killable legacy. Not only can I say it has one of the most loyal, relatable, and resilient fan base Ive ever seen. Literally bucking heads with the company for years and not backing down all for the sake of the game (Chads.) but that if all goes according to plan. And the game for casual/competitive players is cleansed of bots and rebalanced to perfection (no matter how long it takes.) As soldier put it in a way better than I could ever.. “Good news, we’re not dying! WE ARE GOING TO LIVE FOREVER!” LONG LIVE TEAM FORTRESS 2! #FixTF2
That “contractor” (1:40) was Robin Walker. He was working on another game valves new game they are hoping to release. But he was busy with that and eventually took on the job of updating the game for tf2.
That doesn't even make sense. Robin Walker is a game designer, not an engine developer. The only thing that little rumor tells us is that the average fan literally only knows the name of one person who worked on the game.
@@MasterChaoko idk if you know this but developing games comes with updating said games. It shows how people like you have tiny minds with low IQ points.
Robin Walker was Valve internal amateur wc3 dota team captain and one of the guys who convinced IceFrog to join Valve. And people surprised why Deadlock happens lol
What we can do... is fight fire with fire. There are apparently already bots being spammed in their newest game's beta and that could get Valve to actually pay attention and make a functional anti-cheat
@@bingoviini if anything the longer we wait the less likely they are to divert their resources away from new titles and potential new sources of revenue to a very old free to play game. There’s not enough financial benefit to continuing to support this game.
@@thomasjasso9378 their new project will also just be ruined by bot spam from the exact same malicious people who ruin Tf2 They physically cannot ignore this, and that's what #Fixtf2 is about. We just want to play the game, wich is not a big demand, especially to a company as big as Valve
there was a brief moment after the 64 bit update dropped where casual was actually playable and it was so beautiful. i'm doubtful valve will do anything but i'm still gonna do my part because i love this game more than life itself and it's deeply saddening seeing it treated the way it is
People have been swatted, hacked, doxxed, whatever cybercrime you can name they’ve done it to someone, at this point tf2s being used as a hub for criminals and Valves letting it happen
This is the most passionately aggressive i have seen fish while also being 100% serious. Avatar rant is so overdone XD. But this was really moving. Good job fsos
I'm not the kind of person to get toxic too much in a video game. But I was playing a match of TF2 with a good friend awhile back, after a match of TF2 where we on Red team, and kicking our bots, but Blu wouldn't do a thing about their bots nor a top-scoring cheater, I allowed myself to get toxic via voice chat. At that point, I decided enough was enough; getting toxic was the last straw for me. I shut off TF2 and haven't gone back, nor have I given another cent to Steam until they fix the game. I'm done with their nonsense.
It is jaw-dropping how prominent this problem has been for YEARS and how much actual reported crime has taken place and no concrete action has been taken. I've signed the petition, and I sincerely hope you do to #FixTF2
I love the tone and message behind this video and the entire movement. We have been teaching valve how to treat us and enough is enough. If only this could be applied in more aspects of life without 5 years of neglect going by. Lets hit them where it hurts. Dont pay them and do not budge on this and they'll have to do something.
*GUYS, PLEASE ACKNOWLEDGE THIS MESSAGE!* First thing I want to say is that Valve will *LIKELY* not CARE about this message and what we're trying to say. "Why?" -you say, is because how we send the message. Let's take our pink glasses out from us, gamers, who plays TF2, let's imagine we're working on a normal company or etc. and see what this message is about: "Please, fix TF2, fix cheat bots!!" Now tell me, would you REALLY CARE about something like that? I wouldn't. What I want to say, is that we need to send *RIGHT* message. It's not about bots, actually, it's *ILLEGAL ACTIVITY* that bot hosters does. Let's instead say like: "Please, do something, the people does CRIMES at this point." *THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO SAY* . But why would Valve not care about this? Remember the Giga leak? Even if it's ~pre-2013 content, it's still a Giga leak. *Around 60 gigabytes of content leaked*, and Valve not even said, they didn't even *reacted* to what happened. It shows how much Valve DOES NOT GIVE A FUCK about, probably anything at this point. *AND THE ONLY WAY FOR THEM TO DO SOMETHING, IS TO POINT OUT THAT PEOPLE DOES CRIMES!* Valve won't do anything, until it's a *law* related thing. Secondly what I want to say, is that we shouldn't say "If you won't do anything, you'll loose reputation you had". No. We *SHOULDN'T* say things like that, because as I said before, VALVE. DOESN'T. CARE. Instead, we need to say like *this* : "Valve, if you will do nothing against it, you can be sued for allowing people to do literal crimes, such as swatting, DDoS attacking, etc.". The last thing, is what bot hostets have done already. It's *not about bots anymore, it's about LAW*. Let me try to count what crimes they have done: 1 - Swatting, 2 - DDoS attack, 3 - Impersonating (saying racist and provocate things with someone else's voices), 4 - God, maybe even racism, because one of the bot hosters have *a literal 40+ pages of N-word in discord* 5 - Attempt of scamming. (One of bot hosters have tried to scam one YTer, saying like "I'll deactivate the bots if you'll give me very expensive hat". We all know this was a lie for sure. So that is attempt of scamming. Please, I and my friends are playing TF2, I just don't want it to go to the wrong rail ALREADY. The only way, in my opinion, that will make changes, is probably what I have said before. #SaveTF2 #FixTF2 - Bogdan.
TheWhatShow, one of the main organizers of fixtf2, already uploaded a video a week ago about these bot issues, with documented evidence. He shows it again in his recent fix tf2 video too. I highly doubt Valve is just completely unaware of what's going on by this point. Especially since every video I've seen talking about this mentions the DDoS, Swatting, and other issues
Okay I agree with all of the video except that "'tism bucks" line, because it paints a negative portrait of autistic people, implies they don't deserve support, and is just wrong, since we don't get direct government support.
3:03 I don't like the way that's worded, we're all people. If someone is suffering from lack of support they deserve the opportunity to get better. The hell are... those?
Agreed, both as someone with autism himself, but also because it undersells the problem. There are people making money off this by running protection rackets, and I'd bet you it's those people (not so much the people doing this as a "hobby" with public assistance money) that are resorting to violence.
Have you heard of Chris chan? I understand that making fun of people and putting them down especially those who are vulnerable Leaves a bad taste in your mouth. But that ignores the reality of there are actually people out there who live of gov money and ALL THEY DO is botting/nothing productive. Don’t get me wrong I almost agreed with you However, there is a small group of people who fit his description and deserve shit. And for those vulnerable people as long as you’re trying to improve your life, you are so different and infinitely better of a person than the people fish are talking about, while a bit crude he wasn’t rendering to honestly I say normal people.
@@hansj4832 if you think about it, hacking bot making scripting, doesn’t look too good on your taxes, so why not double dip? It’s just that they can do both, you can live off public money, but then sell the stuff that you make for a little extra income. Also if you feel bad look up Chris chan, and imagine the botters as these type of people. Just cuz they live off of public money doesn’t mean you should feel sorry
@@asonofliberty3662 >guy makes a comment basically saying "hey man can you not use my disability as a insult for annoying people online" you: DUDE, YOU KNOW CHRIS CHAN??? YEAH THAT ONE GUY!! CHRIS CHAN!!!!
It's really interesting because as a dota 2 player, I've been spoiled with support over the years. But I did start playing tf2 as my first game on steam and it really sucks because at age 11-12, me and my frieneds were freaking out and laughing over the meet the mercs series. I seriously hope this movement does something, I would love to go back to casual and catch up with all the whacky shit I've been missing over the years.
My fellow TF2 enthusiasts For too long, our beloved Team Fortress 2 has languished in the shadows, neglected and forgotten. But hear me, comrades! The time for apathy is over! We shall rise like the phoenix from the ashes, igniting the flames of passion and determination in every TF2 player's heart! No longer shall we tolerate the status quo! No longer shall we remain silent as our voices are drowned out by the cacophony of indifference! We shall mobilize, we shall organize, and we shall conquer! Together, we shall unleash a tidal wave of tweets, a storm of hashtags, that will sweep across the digital landscape with the force of a hurricane! #FixTF2 shall be our rallying cry, echoing through the halls of cyberspace until it resounds in every corner of the globe! Let history remember this day as the moment when the TF2 community rose up as one, united in purpose and unwavering in resolve! Let us not rest until #FixTF2 stands proudly atop the Twitter trends, a beacon of hope and defiance for all to see! So I say unto you, my comrades: do not falter, do not waver, for victory is within our grasp! Together, we shall reclaim the glory of Team Fortress 2 and ensure that its legacy endures for generations to come! Onward, to triumph! Onward, to glory! Onward, to #FixTF2!
3:04 Hey man unless you have it yourself I don't think you should word it like that. Solid video otherwise though, thank you for not being another person making fun of people for trying to save the game.
???????????? Seriously? Autistic is not even a slur. So only people with the medical diagnosis of "autism" can say that word. PLEASE shut the hell up lol.
Autism???? Unless you have autism you shouldn't use that word???? Its a literal diagnosis its like saying people without diabetes can't say "diabetes" or people without cancer can't say "cancer". I can't lol. And the video fucking sucked. #Killtf2
Wouldn’t help. You can 1 just change parts and 2 hack it. It would be another treadmill. They need to do some thing, but hardware bans are not what they are cracked up to be. Sure, if you a script kid playing cod you are not smart enough to avoid the ban, but the dedicated bot makers can easily sidestep this
I wrote a poem in preparation for this day: Five Years By a loving, exhausted fan Eyes overflowing with laughter: a spy’s ragdoll flips over the battlements. Friend’s screams blast my headphones as a demoknight charges off the map Joy melting away as I turn a corner. An exhausted sigh silences the discord call. “Boom, headshot”, says a sniper. Or, it would say if it was a human. Valve letting the ****** in their basements walk all over them and abuse their own platform? I close the game from the absurdity and sigh again. No one needs to ask why the sigh; The sigh is long overused. My windpipe have been doing it for Five. Long. Years. #FixTF2
>Valve's Neglect Ends Here Where? In a game where paying playerbase has no taste in games, let alone good ones. Few thousand people on moderated servers are the only real players that actually play and get benefits from updates. The game is dead with few living inners, an animated corpse.
In my opinion physically sending a bunch of letters is not a very good idea because I feel like honestly they will get the letters, make a tweet and then throw all those papers away. And or Valve might react negatively to the letters/ get annoyed at us for sending the letters. That's what I think at least.
i love when someone followed by a hundred thousand people casually calls people like me a freak and implies we spend all our time causing trouble in video games not a day goes by that I don't go looking for some bigot to insult me online
Oh boy I love when a youtuber with a large following demonizes disability support pensions and those who benefit from them while also shitting on autistic people at the same time. Ableism is so poggers and justified /sarcasm
I don't really understand what you think you're gonna do. The game isn't popular or profitable anymore, why would they spend more money on this ship instead of continuing to maintain their superior performing products
Like man, just fucking play on community servers with good moderation. Its not gonna happen, its not cost efficient to continue maintinance that doesn't do shit.
What you said at 3:02 "as long as these freaks have their 'tismbucks (autism bucks (welfare))" could potentially be interpreted as ableist, and it's honestly surprising coming from someone i've been subscribed to for this many years I would advise you to be more careful with your choice of words, your message here could be interpreted rather aggressively towards people with physical/mental disabilities
Let the fucking community fix their shit. I know they've addressed this idea in the past year, I know they think it'd be hard. It's worth it. There are so many software engineers that would be so excited to jump onto these ALREADY EXISTING efforts, if they'd just show that they'd accept our diffs and release them. We'd fight the cat and mouse game for them, and they wouldn't need to lift a finger beyond a quick code-review.
Oh... that's one of my favourite youtubers calling disability support pensions "tism bucks" and conflating disability with immorality/criminality... I mean, I can't speak for everyone, obviously, but as someone currently living off a disability pension, I'm definitely not a scambot maker, so...
My one concern here is I'm not sure there's a whole lot of legal action that can be done against the hosts. As I've heard many are centered in Russia and I have no idea what laws they have there, if Valve has any foothold in the country to wage accusations based on those laws, or if any enforcement there will even give a damn. Hell, excuse me for being the conspiracy theorist but it could even be from their government itself as an attack on the financial stability of such a big worldwide gaming company. For the ones in regions that WILL consider such people criminal... well, I heard we already had a lot doxxed, and in this case of this literal criminal behavior I think they ought to be singled out for it.
We are all just going to lose again; just like last time! Let's all #AbandonTF2 instead We'll still have both *TF2 Classic* and *Open Fortress* to replace and *SUCCEED* TF2, you know
![[TF2] In Defense Of The Reserve Shooter](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/6of53ZcmjsM/mqdefault.jpg)
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Silly valve needs to turn their intruder alert back on
RED SPY IS IN THE BASE!
A red spy is in the base?!
@@b-batchd-cipher4919 red bot is in the game!
hut hut hut hut hut
PROTECT THE BRIEFCASE!
We are not even requesting heavy update or balancing changes at this point. Just the bare ability to shoot other gamers
Yes and no. I would prefer a breath of new air in the game even tho bots are a priority
A heavy update would take less work then endless fixing needed to remove bots
@@Fighter_Blue A heavy update would be WORTHLESS cause bots would ruin it anyways. Use your noggin.
@@Ace22 Not what i am talking about.
@@Ace22 I am saying that they are most likely not going to remove the bots because making a heavy update is 1000% easier and they have not made it.
I'm going to pay a visit to valve headquarters and tell them fish sent me.
hell yeah man!
Just don’t do anything dumb man.
I hope than it will be something akin to what we had for Helldiver 2 and sony, imagine a shitload of random person dressed as the mercenaries...
That would be quite chaotic !
Valve reaction to that: Holy Mackerel?
Don't be stupid but do whatever will get results
Mann vs Billion dollar company
Bot owners also have good money allowing them to maintain several computers 24/7
@@Jackfromshack something something virtual machines and tf2 codeversion something
Greymann is rich, so it works.
Out-manned, but we plan to fight
basement kids vs billion dollar company
"We hear you, TF2 community! We will do our best to get rid of the problem!"
Sniper now locked behind premium
then they’d just be spy bots with ambassador
The game should go back into P2P, It would most certainly halve the bot numbers.
The majority of the bots are already premium
That's how they spam vc and chat
@@v.i.l1743 Thats why its funny
@@Kronosfobino
The FixTF2 petition is already around 3/4ths of the way to surpassing the WoW Classic petition. It honestly brings a tear to my eye.
“Oh, it brings tears to the eye, it does.”
What was the wow classic petition about?
@@violinher0blizzard ruined wow, the fanbase protested to get it back and it worked.
@@violinher0Weezy’s 18 min vid on the bot crisis had a section talking about it starting around 6:10, but to sum it up: Years ago the WoW community were kinda furious about when they started getting dlc campaigns that were game-breakingly buggy, unplayable, or just mindless cash grabbing messes of updates, so they protested by having people make fan servers/mods to play a more classic version, Blizzard starting taking this stuff down, the community banded together to sign a petition to personally deliver signatures to the staff, and were even in contact with them. The staff went years of radio silence after that whole ordeal and seemed like they were focusing on Overwatch being new at the time, imprinting a false hope on the community, until they randomly revealed the WoW Classic campaign and basically almost all the changes the community wanted which shook them to their core.
That’s kinda the reason FixTF2 is also bringing up the idea of a petition to then physically send in to Valve Staff, lightning could strike twice.
We are going to yazov this shit.
TF2: Nobody's home
Valve: Nobody's in TF2 department
If they're going to pretend that they run the game actively by having a supposedly working matchmaking system (along with new seasonal microtransactions), then we should do no less than demand it actually be guarded against the cheaters and bots.
I would be fine if we didn't get any major update( I made peace with that a while back) but would nice to have the occasional security check.
@@starmaker75 We'll probably never see a major update again. We're about five months from the 7-year anniversary of Jungle Inferno, after all. No sign of even balance changes despite the hideous state the game balance is in. But I do agree if they're going to keep releasing new crates and pandering for more money, they need to make the servers they want us to pay to upkeep actually PLAYABLE.
speak with your wallets people! petitions can be signed all you want, but if a month afterwards tf2's profitability gets no significant hit, then it basically tells valve that the community is ultimately complacent and all bark no bite.
they're a business after all, and emotional pleas won't work nearly as well as affecting what businesses care about the most.
cold hard cash
tf2tubers are very naive, u even have very vocal critics like zesty still doing crate unboxes... like bruh, if u really got an issue with the game, how about stop supporting valve financially? use ur platform to tell people that affecting tf2's bottom line is the easiest way to force change from valve
@@TripleR7331 valve made 13 billion dollars in 2022, 10 billion from that was from steam alone, i think tf2 makes about 1-2% of their income which they can just basically ignore, sadly boycotting will probably do nothing.
@@kakikutya7912 saying that tf2 makes 1-2% of their income...
130-260 million? As if bro, it makes like 0.001% at most, we can't actually make a financial dent sadly. All we can do is express our irritation, but realistically, they have steam and there's absolutely nothing we can do if they don't want to act.
The sheer negligence of Valve is so unprofesional that I cant even believe its coming from a multi BILLION company. #FixTF2
I can. Multi-billion dollar companies aren't exactly known for doing their jobs well
About the best you can typically expect is Charmin making toilet paper that is both not going to catch fire in your ass and is probably made with child/slave/child-slave labor at some point in the chain
What ? What did you expect from a billion dollar company exactly? You sound a tad naive there
@@elfascisto6549 fair enough
Well capitalism in a nutshell. As long as it still makes money, dont change it.
they are not going to focus on tf2s old mess right now.
they are working on deadlock
Fish is more motivated about this then nerfing the scorch shot we can't lose.
There was a test done to compare the Scorch Shot and the Detonator and it was proven that the Detonator is more bs than the Scorch Shot
Please censor that weapon name, it scares me (Sc*rch Sh*t)
@@LordTeriasphl*g and gas p*sser
i like how the bots are ALREADY infesting deadlock.
sad to say, but maybe since it's their shiny new ip, itll finally convince them to do something.
Really !? Game isn't even out yet!
@@chpsilva bro didn't get the joke
I dunno if this is true but allegedly people have been found cheating in the beta. So uh, lmao if thats true
Bot hosts finally using their powers for good by going to the next big thing and drawing valve's attention to the bots that have been plaguing tf2 for years
the old kamikaze martyrdom trick, 80% of the time it works all of the time
@emilygordbort7300 If it forces an answer out of valve then I guess it works
We are all Valve’s children and they have left us in a hot car
actual poetry, couldn't have said it better myself
No ur not LOOOL
You're all product
@speedody2171 whats a company without consumers? A parent without a child?
Dude, tf2 rly doesn't matter that much anymore, it's a mere fraction of their consooomers
@@speedody2171 people still spend money on a product valve made that is barely functional due to neglect by valve. regardless of if the game is "relevant" to valve's revenue stream, they have an obligation to fix it for the decade's worth of consumers who have spent money on in game items and hats (and continue to spend money on in game items and hats).
Im heavy from TF2 and I approve this message
spy why you zapping my sentry?
Thank you, Spy from TF2
Respect.
Ah, nice to see you everywhere pyro. Glad you are supporting the movement.
Did you make this account just to approve? I have respect for you
Let's Scrap This.
Do our part.
but scrap metal is worthless!
@@ravelnavarro9625
With enough metal you get a refined.
@@manunova5929🔥🔥🔥🔥
Bots made keys worth 100 refined
Stout-Stout Shaka, for-for-for two refined
Demo-Demopan, demo-demo!
Honestly mailing the whole list probably won’t even be enough to emphasize the damage bot hosters have done. They have, no lie, called a *bomb threat* on a university under someone else’s name, just because they were working to suppress the bot crisis. Likely hundreds of people believed they were under serious threat, and they likely didn’t even know what a TF2 is, just to ruin one guy’s life. In no timeline do these people deserve to walk out of this situation with a W.
Let’s Harry Potter this b**** and flood their office with petition papers
That's fucked up, someone needs arrested
@@emilygordbort7300but they won’t be. Because they awe jus smol witlle children, and their papas will pay any fuky wuky like they pay their breakfast mcnuggets
Come on, it's round 3, and you know Valve fears number three.
>:)
I don't really think they fear number 3, they seem to just don't care about it... Soooo...
@@pixavier9746
It was a joke.
@@manunova5929 You are the one who didnt get my innuendo... If Valve doesnt fear the number 3 but instead they just don't care about it, what do you think will happen with the 3rd time that we are trying to do this?
Now you got it?
@@pixavier9746
@pixavier9746
"We"? Are you actually trying, though? Or is it just an act?
Look, other than the bad impression you're giving, I 110% understand the skepticism or even cynicism, but if you seriously want to cast doubt on my comment that was meant to rally people by using A JOKE, then commenting on the specifics of said joke, I "fear" you cannot be taken seriously.
The point isn't that they fear number 3, and besides, you tell me what will happen if Valve does nothing about it's playerbase raising it's voice in public for a prolonged period of time, a problem that is bleeding into their other games and can cause an increased push from other communities, a problem that can and will affect a game they are currently developing. Not much besides Casual being unplayable in most regions and forcing players to migrate to community servers, other games following suit and Valve being put in a bad light and new players being discouraged from playing their games because all they see is infestation and the community servers tab is older than the meteorites that killed the dinosaurs.
This is not just Save Tf2 anymore. This is Save Valve. They need to save themselves if these issues are IN ALL OF THEIR GAMES!
Fun fact: Valve won't even feel turning TF2 servers off.
@@ivanco9917
Then why won't they just fucking do that?
@@Mr_Triscuit Because they're still making money off the game.
You know its bad when fishstick went from his normal informative, composed self and started ranting.
You didn't watch his streams then(or I guess kunai/scorchshot videos)
you know it's bad when fish goes from his normal uninformative, deranged ranting to an informative and commanding tone.
love his content but rants are the usual lmao
I made 100 posters with #fixtf2 and #savetf2 with link to the website, and I needed to assure several police officers that it was not a propaganda posters
Godspeed you magnificent bastard
@@thomasguay4157 thnx
Doing God's work!
That's crazy that actual people's lives were at stake over a fucking video game. Just goes to show how pathetic the bot owners are as if they weren't pathetic enough
I would honestly be fine with valve just admitting they wont fix it instead of being dead silent
Yeah at least then people would quit holding out hope and just work on improving the community servers even more than they have
Just put up my own video on the subject to support the movement. Let's hope this works out for the TF2 community!
Pics and vids of "I got headshot in 0.0001 seconds" don't really explain the most serious issue. To an outside, it just looks like video game nonsense. But Valve is a video game COMPANY that puts emphasis on the corporate part.
We don't need 10000 personal accounts of not being able to play casual mode of TF2.
We need hard, documented, verified evidence of the advertisements, the hate speech, the terms violations, the cyber harassment. The stuff that a company HAS to care about. Not that "the current circumstances of this game make it unable to be enjoyed" because all that will be seen is "I cannot enjoy this game" which a company would not care about.
This. We need DM pictures, we need websites of the bot makers we need in game evidence of them spamming and advertising. You are correct. I doubt valve gives a single shit about how much we enjoy the game. but all these violations against the rules? That definitely seems like a stronger case to me
@@asonofliberty3662I almost wonder if a lawsuit is possible if Valve continues to ignore the game like this. It probably won't be easy, but I feel like it's the only path forward if this movement crashes and burns like the last.
On the other hand, he have a google doc. talking about it.
God, we even know the example of one of them trying to scam and one of them swatting someone else.
Even racism is found.
The only time Valve actually found themselves in hot water during bot crisis was during 2020 when bots were spamming slurs and some gaming journalism websites accused the company of being racist. Poof, the bots were gone for like a week after 1 day.
So yeah, these are the kind of methods we should use instead of "Sniper is bullying me :'((("
Edit: or Valve will just get pissed off even more and just shut the servers down, who knows
@@turkishjanitor3666 If Valve shuts the tf2 servers down, they shut down the tf2 economy. If you think people are upset about the bots, wait until the stink that gets caused when people lose their $10K+ in tf2 backpack value. Not to mention CSGO's economy apparently nets them like 60 Million per month. And if they shut down one game economy, it's gonna have a ripple effects to all the other ones as people realize Valve can take away their inventory at their leisure. Lots of people would cut their losses and just quit trading/using the community market/buying keys. And Valve rather enjoys the money they get from that. Even if tf2 never makes them another dime, they've put themselves in a situation where they can only lose money by shutting down tf2
Besides, Valve isn't pissed, they're apathetic
The toxic positivity of SaveTF2 really did undermine the whole movement and, ultimately, failed to show how serious the bot issue was to anyone unfamiliar with the state of the game. Hopefully #FixTF2 will put a spotlight on Valve and get eyes on their half a decade of neglect
Look at it as the community playing nice.
Now it's gotten real.
SaveTF2: "People, take it easy. We're all upset about Valve's plan to, uh, ignore the bots. It is time for decisive action. I have here a polite but firm letter to Mr. Newells' underlings, who with some cajoling, will pass it along to him or at least give him the gist of it."
Zesty wants boycotts and he's entirely correct.
Yeah, not gonna lie, as someone who’s an outside observer in this watching the original #savetf2 video (not this one), the only thing I was thinking was “if I was a sweaty bot hoster I’d think this is hilarious”. It was some guy talking about the funny sfm game like he’s trying to start a revolution. At best things like that only feed the trolls. The only thing companies like Valve understand is a change in their numbers.
WE ARE GOING TO LIVE FOREVER
SCOTLAND FOREVER says a drunken black one eyed cyclops scotsman
I never said zhat! I just said ve’re not filled vith tumours!
I never said zhat! I just said zhat ve’re not filled vith robots!
I never said zhat! I only said zhat ve're not filled vith explosives!
I never said zhat! I just said ve’re not filled with lead
It's cathartic to finally hear TF2 creators be brutally honest about Valve's wrongdoings (Ster tried to warn you all so long ago!).
As for Deadlock being a problem for TF2: In a vacuum everything is fine. But within the context of TF2 being neglected, figuring out that the dev team is working on a new team based shooter is not a good look. They made the game that inspired the entire hero shooter genre, but instead of doing the bare minimum of maintaining it, they poured their resources into a competitor to the hero shooter genre years after it's relevancy? On top of it looking like another tone deaf trend chaser like Artifact, it's hard not to think that a smidgeon of the resources could have been used to update TF2, or heck, just make it playable! That's like if Riot stopped supporting LOL for 5 years, turning it into bot hell, only to announce a Battle Royale game to try and compete with DayZ.
“The time has come. Execute order 3” - tf2 Community, probably.
"Syntax error: '3' key not found"
I forgot it was order 1 + 2.
I'm surprised Team fortress 2 community is much stronger than Red Dead online community
I'm not, rdo is a smaller community considering rdo pc you can just go to wild rp and consoles are fucked with barely any updates except monthly bonuses. They don't really have extensive cheaters from my exp, they have em just not as frequently.
I know that we need to work together, #FixTF2, yadda yadda and all that, but what the fuck was 3:01 about ?
Ladies and Gentlemen. IT'S TIME FOR ROUND 2!!!
It's good that it's not 3. Valve hates that number.
It's actually round 3 iirc? There was a brief second attempt at SaveTF2 a while back
@@cbtillery135
I heard that only smaller channels did it.
I didn't hear no bell...
@@MasterChaoko The judge went home, or dead too
Valve: wait, twitter message isn’t enough? Well, we did all we could do
"We tried nothin' and we're all out of ideas"
3:02 really dude? really?
Mans true colors were shown
@@NovaProspekt19 anyone who watches his streams will see this shit. It's not like dark evil stuff. It's just an insult he uses, like calling someone gay or retarded, doesn't mean he's a bad person lol
I’m still surprised no one has doxed the bot hosters. Not saying we should but I’m suprised they haven’t had it happen
someone did try once, during the second movement #savetf2-2024. it did not work
@@endarkenedgdWhy not? What happened?
@@danielbob2628 Think with your head. Suppose the dox is real, correct and factual. What do you think will come out of it? The SaveTF2 crowd doesn't have the guts to be rude to a company that ignored them for more than half a decade, let alone for a Drachenlord style harassment campaign against the botters. Botters can just shrug and get back to doing their thing, business as usual.
Because thats a literal crime?
@@danielbob2628they got doxed back
The worst part for me is that Valve tweet was tweeted on my birthday. The worst gift I've ever gotten for my birthday was false hope that my favorite game was finally going to be playable.
I’ve never experienced the incomparable glory of playing tf2. But from the videos, the SFM Shorts (or even hour long mini movies.) the songs and the seemingly un-killable legacy. Not only can I say it has one of the most loyal, relatable, and resilient fan base Ive ever seen. Literally bucking heads with the company for years and not backing down all for the sake of the game (Chads.) but that if all goes according to plan. And the game for casual/competitive players is cleansed of bots and rebalanced to perfection (no matter how long it takes.) As soldier put it in a way better than I could ever.. “Good news, we’re not dying! WE ARE GOING TO LIVE FOREVER!”
LONG LIVE TEAM FORTRESS 2! #FixTF2
That “contractor” (1:40) was Robin Walker. He was working on another game valves new game they are hoping to release. But he was busy with that and eventually took on the job of updating the game for tf2.
Source? Cause im like 99% sure its another guy
I thought the contractor was Eric Smith
That doesn't even make sense. Robin Walker is a game designer, not an engine developer. The only thing that little rumor tells us is that the average fan literally only knows the name of one person who worked on the game.
The game is currently being updated by 2 people. One is a Valve employee named Eric Smith. The other is a contractor named Joshie.
@@MasterChaoko idk if you know this but developing games comes with updating said games. It shows how people like you have tiny minds with low IQ points.
Valve : *"Dota Dota Counterstrike"*
It's time to make Spy as Gaben and everyone's favorite class again! Fix TF2
Until you learn that TF2 lead dev and director actually big dota fans
Robin Walker was Valve internal amateur wc3 dota team captain and one of the guys who convinced IceFrog to join Valve. And people surprised why Deadlock happens lol
Leaving a comment to boost this to the algoritmh #FixTF2
First we asked nicely
Now we're demanding
And we're going to keep demanding until Valve does their *fucking job*
They can't ignore us forever #Savetf2
Yes they can because they don’t care about us. Just facts
What we can do... is fight fire with fire. There are apparently already bots being spammed in their newest game's beta and that could get Valve to actually pay attention and make a functional anti-cheat
@@thomasjasso9378 forever is a very long time
They'll crack eventually
@@bingoviini if anything the longer we wait the less likely they are to divert their resources away from new titles and potential new sources of revenue to a very old free to play game. There’s not enough financial benefit to continuing to support this game.
@@thomasjasso9378 their new project will also just be ruined by bot spam from the exact same malicious people who ruin Tf2
They physically cannot ignore this, and that's what #Fixtf2 is about.
We just want to play the game, wich is not a big demand, especially to a company as big as Valve
there was a brief moment after the 64 bit update dropped where casual was actually playable and it was so beautiful. i'm doubtful valve will do anything but i'm still gonna do my part because i love this game more than life itself and it's deeply saddening seeing it treated the way it is
Someone’s gonna get hurt and it’s all on valves hands
Even worse, people already have been hurt.
By the bot hosters, no less.
People have been swatted, hacked, doxxed, whatever cybercrime you can name they’ve done it to someone, at this point tf2s being used as a hub for criminals and Valves letting it happen
2nd times the charm right? Right?? 😃
It’s kinda the third.
Third, actually.
@@Neoniq41 more than VALVe knows how to count to
@@justsomerandomaccount
Good, let's use that to our advantage and overwhelm them.
*3*
Setting an example by criminally charging the hosters should absolutely be considered by Valve when they finally #FixTF2
This is the most passionately aggressive i have seen fish while also being 100% serious.
Avatar rant is so overdone XD.
But this was really moving.
Good job fsos
Together we can make an inferno from sparks. #FIXTF2
Considering the last major update we had let's hope it's not an inferno but a volcanic eruption
Valve still neglects 😂
every video that shows the petition has like 20k more votes on it. This is going to pass 250000 for sure
This guy gets it, let's do it right
If i spend money on a game, i expect the said game to be kept in a working order
Your move VALVe
#FixTF2
I'm not the kind of person to get toxic too much in a video game. But I was playing a match of TF2 with a good friend awhile back, after a match of TF2 where we on Red team, and kicking our bots, but Blu wouldn't do a thing about their bots nor a top-scoring cheater, I allowed myself to get toxic via voice chat. At that point, I decided enough was enough; getting toxic was the last straw for me. I shut off TF2 and haven't gone back, nor have I given another cent to Steam until they fix the game. I'm done with their nonsense.
i am going to go to valve HQ and im gonna press g while having the equalizer
It is jaw-dropping how prominent this problem has been for YEARS and how much actual reported crime has taken place and no concrete action has been taken. I've signed the petition, and I sincerely hope you do to
#FixTF2
Fish just spoke my entire goddamn mind.
Tism bucks
This is why we got to switch over to either Team Fortress 2 Classic or Open Fortress since TF2 is slowly dying.
Thank you for making this video! ❤ #FixTF2 #SaveTF2
The Bot Hoster’s Sins will not go Unpunished.
WE SHALL LIVE FOREVER
Thank you for talking about the damage of Valve’s neglect and how it also affects their other games.
#FixTF2 #SaveTF2
I love the tone and message behind this video and the entire movement. We have been teaching valve how to treat us and enough is enough. If only this could be applied in more aspects of life without 5 years of neglect going by. Lets hit them where it hurts. Dont pay them and do not budge on this and they'll have to do something.
*GUYS, PLEASE ACKNOWLEDGE THIS MESSAGE!*
First thing I want to say is that Valve will *LIKELY* not CARE about this message and what we're trying to say. "Why?" -you say, is because how we send the message.
Let's take our pink glasses out from us, gamers, who plays TF2, let's imagine we're working on a normal company or etc. and see what this message is about:
"Please, fix TF2, fix cheat bots!!"
Now tell me, would you REALLY CARE about something like that? I wouldn't.
What I want to say, is that we need to send *RIGHT* message. It's not about bots, actually, it's *ILLEGAL ACTIVITY* that bot hosters does.
Let's instead say like: "Please, do something, the people does CRIMES at this point." *THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO SAY* .
But why would Valve not care about this? Remember the Giga leak? Even if it's ~pre-2013 content, it's still a Giga leak. *Around 60 gigabytes of content leaked*, and Valve not even said, they didn't even *reacted* to what happened. It shows how much Valve DOES NOT GIVE A FUCK about, probably anything at this point.
*AND THE ONLY WAY FOR THEM TO DO SOMETHING, IS TO POINT OUT THAT PEOPLE DOES CRIMES!* Valve won't do anything, until it's a *law* related thing.
Secondly what I want to say, is that we shouldn't say "If you won't do anything, you'll loose reputation you had". No. We *SHOULDN'T* say things like that, because as I said before, VALVE. DOESN'T. CARE.
Instead, we need to say like *this* :
"Valve, if you will do nothing against it, you can be sued for allowing people to do literal crimes, such as swatting, DDoS attacking, etc.".
The last thing, is what bot hostets have done already. It's *not about bots anymore, it's about LAW*. Let me try to count what crimes they have done:
1 - Swatting,
2 - DDoS attack,
3 - Impersonating (saying racist and provocate things with someone else's voices),
4 - God, maybe even racism, because one of the bot hosters have *a literal 40+ pages of N-word in discord*
5 - Attempt of scamming. (One of bot hosters have tried to scam one YTer, saying like "I'll deactivate the bots if you'll give me very expensive hat". We all know this was a lie for sure. So that is attempt of scamming.
Please, I and my friends are playing TF2, I just don't want it to go to the wrong rail ALREADY. The only way, in my opinion, that will make changes, is probably what I have said before.
#SaveTF2
#FixTF2
- Bogdan.
And don't forget that we also need to show the *proofs that we're saying truth*.
And if you agree with my opinion, you **could** share it in other videos, or just paste it here again.
TheWhatShow, one of the main organizers of fixtf2, already uploaded a video a week ago about these bot issues, with documented evidence. He shows it again in his recent fix tf2 video too. I highly doubt Valve is just completely unaware of what's going on by this point. Especially since every video I've seen talking about this mentions the DDoS, Swatting, and other issues
Please tell me he didn’t just say “‘tism bucks”
He did. I love ableism!!!!!!! /sarcasm
he did :/ if this is the type of people the movement is fine having being an "official" figure then yikes
I was waiting for this video.
The problem is that valve doesn’t care if you play or not. They don’t care if it dies.
Well we do. Can’t hurt to try and I don’t mind wasting 10 mins of my life to support it.
We're going to do all we can to MAKE them care.
Okay I agree with all of the video except that "'tism bucks" line, because it paints a negative portrait of autistic people, implies they don't deserve support, and is just wrong, since we don't get direct government support.
either valve acts now, or they won't end up acting at all
Well spoken soldier
3:03 I don't like the way that's worded, we're all people. If someone is suffering from lack of support they deserve the opportunity to get better.
The hell are... those?
Agreed, both as someone with autism himself, but also because it undersells the problem. There are people making money off this by running protection rackets, and I'd bet you it's those people (not so much the people doing this as a "hobby" with public assistance money) that are resorting to violence.
Have you heard of Chris chan? I understand that making fun of people and putting them down especially those who are vulnerable Leaves a bad taste in your mouth. But that ignores the reality of there are actually people out there who live of gov money and ALL THEY DO is botting/nothing productive. Don’t get me wrong I almost agreed with you However, there is a small group of people who fit his description and deserve shit. And for those vulnerable people as long as you’re trying to improve your life, you are so different and infinitely better of a person than the people fish are talking about, while a bit crude he wasn’t rendering to honestly I say normal people.
@@hansj4832 if you think about it, hacking bot making scripting, doesn’t look too good on your taxes, so why not double dip? It’s just that they can do both, you can live off public money, but then sell the stuff that you make for a little extra income. Also if you feel bad look up Chris chan, and imagine the botters as these type of people. Just cuz they live off of public money doesn’t mean you should feel sorry
Mmna, let it pass
@@asonofliberty3662 >guy makes a comment basically saying "hey man can you not use my disability as a insult for annoying people online"
you: DUDE, YOU KNOW CHRIS CHAN??? YEAH THAT ONE GUY!! CHRIS CHAN!!!!
Valve 🤝 Gamefreak
Doing the bare minimum to get by
It's really interesting because as a dota 2 player, I've been spoiled with support over the years. But I did start playing tf2 as my first game on steam and it really sucks because at age 11-12, me and my frieneds were freaking out and laughing over the meet the mercs series. I seriously hope this movement does something, I would love to go back to casual and catch up with all the whacky shit I've been missing over the years.
Here’s a suggestion nes godzilla creepy pasta (the game)
Also it’s good to see you posting
Bread
I am toaster.
I will teleport you
3:01 My sibling has autism. Can we leave using autism as an insult in 2016?
No. This is the Internet, autism abounds.
Can you stop crying like a two year old over a word?
My fellow TF2 enthusiasts
For too long, our beloved Team Fortress 2 has languished in the shadows, neglected and forgotten. But hear me, comrades! The time for apathy is over! We shall rise like the phoenix from the ashes, igniting the flames of passion and determination in every TF2 player's heart!
No longer shall we tolerate the status quo! No longer shall we remain silent as our voices are drowned out by the cacophony of indifference! We shall mobilize, we shall organize, and we shall conquer! Together, we shall unleash a tidal wave of tweets, a storm of hashtags, that will sweep across the digital landscape with the force of a hurricane! #FixTF2 shall be our rallying cry, echoing through the halls of cyberspace until it resounds in every corner of the globe! Let history remember this day as the moment when the TF2 community rose up as one, united in purpose and unwavering in resolve! Let us not rest until #FixTF2 stands proudly atop the Twitter trends, a beacon of hope and defiance for all to see! So I say unto you, my comrades: do not falter, do not waver, for victory is within our grasp! Together, we shall reclaim the glory of Team Fortress 2 and ensure that its legacy endures for generations to come!
Onward, to triumph! Onward, to glory! Onward, to #FixTF2!
Well, you are more radical, than Uncle Dane. I like that .
3:04 Hey man unless you have it yourself I don't think you should word it like that.
Solid video otherwise though, thank you for not being another person making fun of people for trying to save the game.
Fish is one of us.
(Not officially diagnosed but if you'd seen his streams you'd know)
Cope
???????????? Seriously? Autistic is not even a slur. So only people with the medical diagnosis of "autism" can say that word. PLEASE shut the hell up lol.
Autism???? Unless you have autism you shouldn't use that word???? Its a literal diagnosis its like saying people without diabetes can't say "diabetes" or people without cancer can't say "cancer". I can't lol. And the video fucking sucked. #Killtf2
@@RubyBladeAwesome Anyone still playing tf2 is autistic or has some adjacent mental condition. All tf2 players have the tism and tard pass
I hope valve implements hardware bans on a working cheat detection system.
Wouldn’t help. You can 1 just change parts and 2 hack it. It would be another treadmill. They need to do some thing, but hardware bans are not what they are cracked up to be. Sure, if you a script kid playing cod you are not smart enough to avoid the ban, but the dedicated bot makers can easily sidestep this
I wrote a poem in preparation for this day:
Five Years
By a loving, exhausted fan
Eyes overflowing with laughter:
a spy’s ragdoll flips over the battlements.
Friend’s screams blast my headphones
as a demoknight charges off the map
Joy melting away as I turn a corner.
An exhausted sigh silences the discord call.
“Boom, headshot”, says a sniper.
Or, it would say if it was a human.
Valve letting the ****** in their basements
walk all over them and abuse
their own platform?
I close the game from the absurdity
and sigh again.
No one needs to ask why the sigh;
The sigh is long overused.
My windpipe have been doing it for
Five. Long. Years.
#FixTF2
If FixTF2 was in Half Life 2, FixTF2 = Rebels. Valve = Combine.
Golly this would become real
the tism is strong with this one
If fix TF2 is going to have any impact we need to hit the Steam reviews. They’re the one place valve might care about
Will be hidden as a review bombing.
fishermen (fr we just need that better security)
Let's hope for the best ❤
Thank you!
#FixTf2
>Valve's Neglect Ends Here
Where? In a game where paying playerbase has no taste in games, let alone good ones. Few thousand people on moderated servers are the only real players that actually play and get benefits from updates. The game is dead with few living inners, an animated corpse.
Finally! Someone with some fire about this! #FixTF2
In my opinion physically sending a bunch of letters is not a very good idea because I feel like honestly they will get the letters, make a tweet and then throw all those papers away. And or Valve might react negatively to the letters/ get annoyed at us for sending the letters. That's what I think at least.
Hey, thanks for the ableism, man. Really appreciate it.
i love when someone followed by a hundred thousand people casually calls people like me a freak and implies we spend all our time causing trouble in video games
not a day goes by that I don't go looking for some bigot to insult me online
Oh boy I love when a youtuber with a large following demonizes disability support pensions and those who benefit from them while also shitting on autistic people at the same time. Ableism is so poggers and justified /sarcasm
@@emilygordbort7300 Freak !!!!
yeah wtf was that
@@Wolfy-qf5pe honestly i'm not surprised the person obsessed with a game from the late 2000s has such shitty attitudes
was the ableism really necessary?
Ye
I have been wondering if you quitted RUclips but now that I found this im pretty happy.
Good job!
I don't really understand what you think you're gonna do. The game isn't popular or profitable anymore, why would they spend more money on this ship instead of continuing to maintain their superior performing products
Like man, just fucking play on community servers with good moderation. Its not gonna happen, its not cost efficient to continue maintinance that doesn't do shit.
all in all this seems like petulant whining to me. Its a game, an old game that is basically nothing but a cost sink for them, move the fuck on
What you said at 3:02 "as long as these freaks have their 'tismbucks (autism bucks (welfare))" could potentially be interpreted as ableist, and it's honestly surprising coming from someone i've been subscribed to for this many years
I would advise you to be more careful with your choice of words, your message here could be interpreted rather aggressively towards people with physical/mental disabilities
I don't know how someone could interpret it as not ableist
Yeah, that's not gonna help this movement shake off the sweaty, aggressive gamer stereotype lol
3:55 it won’t do anything. Valve is a billion dollar company, the most they will do is post another tweet lol
Hear me out, we go into the new game when it comes out. And spam save tf2
Let the fucking community fix their shit. I know they've addressed this idea in the past year, I know they think it'd be hard. It's worth it. There are so many software engineers that would be so excited to jump onto these ALREADY EXISTING efforts, if they'd just show that they'd accept our diffs and release them. We'd fight the cat and mouse game for them, and they wouldn't need to lift a finger beyond a quick code-review.
Oh... that's one of my favourite youtubers calling disability support pensions "tism bucks" and conflating disability with immorality/criminality...
I mean, I can't speak for everyone, obviously, but as someone currently living off a disability pension, I'm definitely not a scambot maker, so...
Yea that rubbed me the wrong way too
@@thewanderers97 it's not even in the "rubbing the wrong way" territory, that's for red flags. Guy's straight up a bigot, nothing to dwell on
@@thewanderers97rubbed me the wrong way too
Then I came
My one concern here is I'm not sure there's a whole lot of legal action that can be done against the hosts. As I've heard many are centered in Russia and I have no idea what laws they have there, if Valve has any foothold in the country to wage accusations based on those laws, or if any enforcement there will even give a damn. Hell, excuse me for being the conspiracy theorist but it could even be from their government itself as an attack on the financial stability of such a big worldwide gaming company.
For the ones in regions that WILL consider such people criminal... well, I heard we already had a lot doxxed, and in this case of this literal criminal behavior I think they ought to be singled out for it.
Valve needs to fix their game
We are all just going to lose again; just like last time!
Let's all #AbandonTF2 instead
We'll still have both *TF2 Classic* and *Open Fortress* to replace and *SUCCEED* TF2, you know
Don't forget Pre-Fotress 2.