Massey Ferguson Backhoe Rotary Swing Cylinder Rebuild
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- Опубликовано: 26 мар 2021
- This Massey Ferguson 54 backhoe has a Cessna rotary swing cylinder with a big leak. Let's seal it up.
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Watching you break those bolts loose gave me sympathetic back and shoulder pain.
Amen brother!
It was painful watching. I was even afraid he would beat his fingers on the tabletop
Isn't it amazing how things like this are DRENCHED in oil. Oil everywhere!! Except on the threads of the bolts you need to remove to fix it. Figures.
Hearing the bitterness in your voice for a $126 gasket is hilarious to me. Love your Channel. Big fan from North Carolina
you're not paying for the part. you are paying for the cost to store it until someone buys it.
@@lostintime8651 I'd still say that $120 for storage is probably a bit steep :P
@@lostintime8651 Lol what sort of logic is this
@@TheFool2cool Make no mistake, corporate America has the storage cost of that part calculated.
@@djkokki @djkokki No wonder warehouse building is becoming popular these days.
There’s something satisfying about hearing those bolts break loose.
As long as your not breaking your knuckles at the same time.
"If they do have them they're really proud of them" 😂
came here to comment this lol!
yeah it's like they really want to keep them
"no lowballers we know what we got"
Hehe that means pretty "cheap" :)
How else can they sell you a $80,000 machine to replace a $30,000 machine except to make more expensive to fix the old one.
I rebuilt an air operated Twiflex brake for an elevator. It had a 4 sided “o” ring that cost us $562 I actually wore the old one as a necklace for a few years and honestly it was the most expensive piece of jewelry in our house.
I bought the seals from the AGCO dealer. That's the only place I know to get them. Please do not email me to ask this.
Interesting, didn't realize they were tapered - is the fix just to replace the parts or can you machine a sleeve for the bottom piece? Also, does it have to be tapered - maybe straight splines are a cheaper option, would be a tighter fit than now. With used machinery going for top dollar right now due to lack of new equipment, might be worth it. But, hey, what do I know, just commenting from my armchair. Anyway, great job on the fix.
@@ckm-mkc I did the same. Drinking my coffee and typing. I'm not sure why it couldn't just be welded together. But again, **sips coffee** I don't even know what's going on.
Hell, the seal kit came bloody close to the value of the machine!
@@jongmassey No way. For the age I would consider that machine to be in excellent condition overall. The problem with backhoes is they tend to get work to death before they even hit the used market. Machinery like this that is working it's worth fixing because the alternative is to spend more money and get a machine that's in much worse condition even if it is newer.
Don't Sweat it Wes, there are many arm chair quarterbacks is this world and most of them could not change a light bulb, never mind do your job. Keep up the great work.
Your framing and editing on those disassembly shots were great. That really stood out
I'm trying!
“ Hot dog in a hallway” ha ha, in England it’s a sausage up an entry or pr*ck in a shirtsleeve
In Oz it's a" A cock in a sock"
That's the first time that I have ever seen the inside of one of those rotary cylinders. Very interesting :)
The stage for sticker shock was set the second you said Cessna.
Took a tour of the Cessna fluid power division in 1978 at Hutchison KS
@@russgier4409 and?
Yeah those seals probably do double duty on some planes
While that engine was cranking I was skeptical. Then I see “Perkins” which made me laugh. Im convinced a Perkins needed ether to start from day 1.
Had a neighbor who had one of these, the lack of parts and prices of parts it was cheaper to keep a 5 gal pan of hyd fluid around
I had one just like this, the same cylinder had a problem on mine. I learned to use it with a controlled swing. Move it so far to the left or right and knew it was going just a little further.
A skilled operator!
Very well done man, I had to do the same leaky seal repair on the Uk version (Massey Ferguson 35 industrial tractor with backhoe & front loader) I ended up dressing the splines with hard facing mma electrode. (Not exactly the done thing but 2 years later it still doesn't slop) Most of the seals etc I sourced by size from totally different applications as there was no way the cost was justifiable o the age of the old girl. She digs, and she doesn't leak, so so far so good!
Any information that you have for the seals that you used would be greatly appreciated, I bought the white Teflon seals but like you said I can't justify the price for the 2 piece ones.
Your dad did a good job training you. you did a good job learning.
I’d like to see the cylinders and hoses repaired in the next video
These companies and the prices they charge for parts is ridiculous sometimes.
I major lift company dealer parts department once tried to charge me 970 dollars for a reseal kit for a lift cylinder. Took the old packing to a seal store and he put together a kit for me for less than 40 bucks. Makes you wonder who is pocketing what.
Hi Wes, something to try next time you have worn splines is 24 hour Araldite epoxy. We use it on most splines on our cane harvesters. It takes a good beating during the season and seems to hold up very well. That slop in the splines is taken up and more wear is prevented. The only catch is, it’s difficult to get stuff separated for disassembly. Relatively inexpensive repair and worth a try.
Give Molykote 111 a try for your seal and o’ring lube. Great product for resealing hydraulic cylinders.
"Hotdog in a hallway"...love it!
It’s one of my favorites from Wes.
As you were hoisting the cylinder out I was thinking ‘be careful with that chain - you are going to scratch the paint’ 😀
Great job as always Wes
0:33 thanks for demonstratively dipping your hand in that lake of oil, I've almost didn't notice it was leaking.
This Dutch fan's drinkin' buddies had to just wait because a vid from his vid-buddy Wes came in, it was a pleasure to watch you work 🛠again Wes, thanks man.
I've never seen the inside of a rotary swing cylinder - it's a beast!
Wes you're the man, love the fact you're not afraid to hop right in to new projects. Keep up the good work brother
I've got an international tractor backhoe just like that I'm trying to get the motor starter the cylinders are Rusty
A wee bit of weld on the splines can take some of the slop out.Another awesome job.
I don't think that's a job for me!
that machine aint old Wes, I am from 1948 and I am still a young guy...just lived a while... nice video,,,later...
Sounds like any time you get your hands on one of those gold parts you should cross reference it to Grainger or Motion Industries or the like.
Someone needs to start a database for these old machines, digitally of course
Unfortunately this happens much too often, you can’t find parts, many of the builders have went out of business.
Wes! Please make a video on fixing those loader cylinders and all the other hoses. I know it takes effort but I learn so much from this "simple stuff" and enjoy seeing the process. Cheers from Texas
Nice repair. $750 just for seals and one of those was $126 by itself?!? That's insane!
It's not that bad if you really think about all the work this machine can do. But $450 would be a much better price. Lol
The moment you've started cranking the engine I said out loud: That is a Perkins... Just a second later, there was a text in the video: Perkins.... Hehehe
I own a tractor with the Perkins 4.236 engine on it, and as soon as the outside temp. drops below 10°C you have to use glow plug to start it. When the outside temp. is higher, it starts instantly!
In spite of that i still have a soft spot for Perkins engines. They seem to be fairly "live" on the throttle.
Keep up the good work, and best of luck from DSW Handcraft
Those bolts are really going to be hard to take out for the next guy, now that you fixed the automatic cap screw oiler demonstrated at the beginning of the video.
Its a Messy Fersuson, That your problem lady. lol
Idk, I think they're great. Looks like this Perkins is setup for gas, they obviously run better in diesel mode.
@@TheMetalButcher wait what?!
@@tacomas9602 It's the exact same engine block. Diesel vs gas. Different compression, spark plugs vs injectors, but same rated HP and Torque. Head is similar I think.
Good job there Wes, I can imagine the operator of this rig (knowing it's limitations), has gotten pretty good at knowing how to control and allow for overtravel when running this rig. Rather sporty price on the gasket! Try owning a car built by an aircraft manufacturer…I can relate brother!
Nice camera ,lighting , sound and editing Wes
Thank you!! for Not putting annoying music !!!! Just you and the sound of your tools.
It's a relief after watching videos where the jam music in every second.
I wouldn't call it a 'poor' design. After 60 years in service, I am surprised those splines are still holding up and those seals looked original
@@Nighterlev - very true. and those splines being at the bottom, probably received a large dose of sand and dirt over the years, grinding them down to nothing, it's surprising they have lasted as long as they have, a simple rubber cover would have protected them from debris and damage
I wonder if the shaft could be be pinned? Might not be removable after if gets tweaked from use, but could buy a few more years out of the machine.
@@NICK-uy3nl how many fudd backhoe operators do you think actually grease their machine? I guarantee most don't. Especially people who don't own the machine.
The farmer in me says you should of stuffed a beer can in there to "tighten" up those splines. Has to be a cheap beer though...
Is that a 'thing'? The concept of taking-up the lash in the splines I mean, not necessarily using a beer can. Anyone ever do that and come out a winner? How long will it last?
Wow. That swing cylinder is completely and unnecessarily complicated. Glad I own a Case backhoe. Cheap parts and easy to fix.
Favorite way to wake up on a Saturday. Cup of coffee and watch Wes work
What a great general maintenance channel! A person can learn a LOT by watching this man work.
Watching these old tractor videos has convinced me you need as many parts machines as possible if you plan to run 50+ year old equipment. There is so much to go wrong, and unlike a Ford or Chevy, you don't have the aftermarket there to bail you out. It's a shame because there's a lot of old iron out there with relatively simple problems, yet no way to feasibly fix them for cheap.
I was worried the cylinder wouldn't come out without removing the backhoe...at least that part of the design was good....very interested in seeing more on this one.
would have loved to see you weld some splines on. just to fill in some space. you the man wes!!!
Great work and solutions found to tackle the issues when working on your own - looking forward to the next video.
Thank you for this video it makes me 100% more confident in removing and rebuilding my massey i have a similar Massey 50A looks identical but my back hoe can also slide side to side like a corner mount
Really appreciated seeing the inside of that, thank you.
You are a smooth operator!! Love watching you Wes!!!
Love your video content. From golf carts to backhoes and everything in between.
I had a Massey tractor and sold it because the parts were so ridiculously expensive and sometimes difficult to get. Great video Wes!
Yes and crappy engineering back then.
Just found your videos and absolutely love them ! Young and Knowledgeable !
Excellent close-up footage. Good stuff, Wes!
Nice rebuild Wes. I'm always impressed at what you can accomplish working alone.
Another fascinating episode. I have had the pleasure of running a couple of backhoes with that type of swing cylinder and had no idea how those functioned. Thank you.
Super job. Thanks for posting.
Who else had eyes on the Kong dog toy praying it got ran over as wes backed up.
You did the best you could staying within the customers limitation! Nice work!
When you see operators use the swing action to push junk out of the way I now have visualization of the shafts that take abuse.
Good point!
It voids CAT warranty to side push by swinging.
Cracks books also
You should have gotten a ton more subscribers latley. Ive been promoting you because i love what you do and you are a wealth of knowledge!
thanks for sharing. I hadn't seen one of those taken apart before.
Hey from Scotland, great video as always. I love your videos and watch every one you fire out, would love to see more if you have the time to do so. All the best to you and the family. Dave
I could watch heavy equipment repairs for hours and hours. Thanks Wes.
Waking up on a Saturday to another great watch wes video life is good!!!
it really shows how much your trying to make your videos better. I can tell you want your viewers to learn as much as possible and to enjoy watching your videos. nothing exites me more than when I see you have a new video posted. Props to you man keep it up!
Love ya channel mate.
Gave me some good pointers and ideas.
As a mechanic my self for last 35yrs. In Australia. U prove I'm never to old to learn new tricks. Lol
Good work
She fit right back in like a glove, nice work! 👍❤️✌️. Old tractors never die, it's just you can't get parts or when you can..they are as good as gold.
Most importantly!! Thank you Wes . You showed inside one of those things that I've wanted to know that much about for a very long time!
Ayy up Wes,another good vlog,Love watching them & My Dad too who is 82.stay safe see you next vlog
another good video, u r a real joy to watch fixing machines of any type. keep the videos coming
Great job WES for what you had keep up the good work
Very interesting, remember my dad sealing one of these in the late 70's.
When we needed a mesh screen for the bottom of the transmission ( instant reverse) the local dealer had to order it in from the USA ( to Ireland).
Great lighting!
If someone asked me to do this job I would have burst into tears! Great job and well done mate 👍 Dan Downunder
i love the close-up camera work! nicly explaned!
Very cool rebuild on that swing cylinder @Watch Wes Work
Great work man, watching you bust everything loose was sure satisfying, also that rebuild kit was sure pricey. Camera angels were great and lighting was great in this video.
I am proud of you Wes, there doesn’t seem to be much of anything you won’t repair. So many places as specialized to the point of exclusion.
Great video, and they are proud of those seals for that. At least it didn't fight you to bad on teardown. Wes have a great weekend.
I was quite happy to see the big wrenches and brute force used in the beginning. Power tools are nice, but there is something satisfying about a bolt breaking loose with a lot of effort, but the right tools. It's kind of primal to 'break' something loose.
I watch a guy break down engines and he uses manual ratchets on the head bolts. It's a satisfying snap when they crack loose.
Thanks Wes . Roll on next week.
You go Wes. Pain in the but you got it back together and no leaking. Great video bro. Take care and ⌚ ur 6......
That rotary cylinder is one heavy piece of kit! It’s amazing those planes even get off the ground 😂😂😂
Excellent video Wes :) and sometimes some old stuff can be pain to be fix and others parts hard find I agree to that!
One thing I do very little of anymore is hydraulic work. I will say that I did enjoy doing cylinders and regular maintenance but one place i worked had quite a few Detroit powered Water blasters, not sure why but repacking that equipment was enjoyable, I know, what a geek.
Dear Mr. Wes.
👍👌👏 Very well done again and as always. Maaaan, you are definitely a fearles guy. Congrats! As always: Thanks a lot for making teaching explaining recording editing uploading and sharing.
Best regards luck and health to all of you!
Pretty much the same cessna motor as on my Oliver backhoe. Mine was leaking out the top. Fortunately Oliver put the motor on top, so I just had to pull the cover, replace the quad and oring and slap it back together. No more leak and I could safely be oblivious to spline wear. Until you posted this....
Heh. I imagine they are all sloppy at this point.
Brought back memories with this one, I trained to operate backhoes on this machine many years ago.
The only surprise I got was the Perkins flash. I had a Perkins 4-108 in a sailboat that would start on a whisper of 12V on the starter every time.
Never should have sold that boat.
Great job on the non-total repair. Smarter to just put it back together and move on. Still mostly functional and not leaking as much.
Looking forward to the cylinder repairs and new hoses.
Thanks for sharing.
I had a Bobcat with a 4.108. Threw a rod through the block. I patched it, ground the crank, and rebuilt it. It ran great but it was horrible to start. It had glow plugs or it would never have started.
@@WatchWesWork We have 3 Perkins motored tractors here (two 6.306 and a 4.270), and they all start beautifully. 6.306 sounds fantastic too. That said, it doesn't get nearly as cold here as it does in your neck of the woods. Coldest ever recorded here is -3C (about 27F).
Another great video Wes.. Very interesting and informative
Very enjoyable video. Keep them coming
Nice job Wes
Nice job Wes.
thanks for the video Wes
I owned a 66 Ford 4400 for about 20 years, it had two cylinders and a piece of chain for the swing, it had lots of slop, you learn to lean it a little by tilting one side using the stabilizer, that way it returned to the same spot, funny story, i bought the machine from the guy who operated it from new for a local city, when he retired he bought it, when i bought it off him i said i'd have it moved the 100 miles to my place, nope he said he would just drive it, he loved driving it, took him a day and a half at 15mph lol
Haha, yup, the lean is a trick I use too.
The variety of work you tackle is amazing. That is what living in a rural area does for you. I do the same but with building work. The more trades I cover the more work there is. That old girl will live a bit longer just don't be in the trench its digging that head slop will kill you. Sure I saw a guy on RUclips that spray welds parts like that and re cuts them. Very clever process and a lot of skill.
nice rebuild, Wes
This was great! I have the exact backhoe and need to do this. Thank you for the great vid!
Man, just in time. I've got a MF 3165 with the same cesna rotary swing that I'm gonna be working on in a few weeks. Thanks!
Excellent video as usual thanks for the content. Cheers from Eastern Ontario 🇨🇦 .