@@screamer22222 execute anybody that is 0 or 1 stars, Interrogate anybody that is 2 or star. Kill kartina 3-5 times an hour, average 2 veil drops per hour. That's it. It's not that complicated. If you do all the shit in the video you'll lose time and money. But it's good to understand it.
@@kkeithftotally different farming strat than the video is talking about. The vid is about div card farming from gravisius. Thought that was pretty clear if you play the game.
Thought “man another long video” but at the end I was disappointed it wasn’t longer 😂 so I could see you do it on a fresh board. Very informative and clear guide, subscribed!
Ironically I had just decided earlier today to try Gravicius and found your previous 3.24 Betrayal strategy video. After literally watching that video 3 times while setting up my board over the past 5 hours I FINALLY started to understand how this worked. And then RUclips sent me to this video which you JUST posted so now I am going to spend hours watching this one and re-setup my board.
i am the same 😂😂😂, i dont want to rebuild again and I don't use scarb so, i will just continue rivals everyone to everyone, in the end i having fun and that what important
This is a world where the Syndicate are running their transportation department with a skeleton crew of two of the biggest lunatics they have, and EVERYBODY ABSOLUTELY HATES THEM, and somehow that results in massive profits. This is an absolutely brilliant guide for a fascinating strategy, looks like I'm redoing my atlas tree again!
honestly that league i was a massive noob compared to the noob i am today, but boy am i glad i spent an unhealthy amount of hours farming harbour bridge that league... the decision making becomes "fluent" to understand eventually where you don't have to think much about it, though i was not smart enough to figure out these specific relation connections, was always trained on "just give everybody relations to everybody" but super keen to try this out
Wanted to come and say, thanks for this video and the depth you put into it. I just pulled an apothecary stack at 10 hours of trying this method! Probably very lucky but wouldn't have been able to without your detail.
Hey! after two week, I did it! now my board looks like yours they like spiderman webbing other people up now I feels like I controlled the Syndicate haha😆 thank for the tutorial! after 3.4 I left POE and several comeback ,I finally know how Syndicate works!
Thanks for this guide! All this time I've been doing hundreds of Catarina runs, chasing veiled orbs. This seems like much faster and more consistent way to generate profit.
I always used to farm syndicate before the changes in 3.24. During the recombinator league when I was new to the game looking for money making strategy, I found a random underrated poe youtuber who simplified this to me in 20-30 mins. I tried that and sold my first Aisling after 2 tries. The more I tinkered around the mechanics the more shortcuts I found like having 100% mastermind intelligence right after finishing a katarina fight within 2-4 maps, how to get Aisling faster etc etc. To me betrayal was a very simple money making with no real investment other than buying sextants. Every league I made quite the money just from this. After the immense changes, I lost hope because for me it was the easiest way to make money without putting a lot of efforts lol. Now after seeing this video I regained my interest back to try betreyal again. Honestly I haven't got whole gist of your video yet, but after watching this again and again I will pull this off after some failed attempts. Thank you guiding me back to syndicate again ❤️, in a new way.
After many years I guess I finally understood lol. I always run betrayal on league start for unveils and this league I was trying to get grav and was never getting transportation houses, i hope it remains the same next league lol Thank you for the video, your voice is amazing.
They've said they are in the process of reworking syndicate and that it might be ready next league (talked about it before the league launch). Hopefully they make the overall experience a lot smoother and rewarding.
Nice, I just watched your previous video on this multiple times this week to learn the strat and I've been building my board up and now you drop this 😎
I've managed to do the 2-2-5-5 setup, Gravicius as leader of Transportation, Cameria as second, both rank 3, removed Bribery from Atlas, ranked all 5 members of Intervention and Research to 3 but still no trusted or rival relationship options found. Any time I run map with Jun the last person of 5 member faction has options to interrogate, release or as bargain I'm only getting remove member X from syndicate, remove all rivalries, destroy all items but nothing else. How can I get bargain option to provide any relationship effects like trusted, rivalry or neutral? I've ran around 70 maps with Jun with people in right places without seeing bargain giving relationship change option of any kind.
For anyone else wondering, you have to make them trusted first, so if you see something like "Cameria and Riker become trusted" take that, then later you'll get a betray option to make them rivals. it's RNG to get them to be trusted, but as others have noted, unspec'ing Bribery on the tree helps
Absolutely brilliant. I think what you could try to show, and I don't want you to mess up your tree, is an initial setup. Some examples, even in paint. That'd help.
I've added to the video description a bit detailing the process of deranking, moving, and setting up initial relationships to try to help people out. Hope it helps you
@@simplyVizniz Im still completely uncertain on how you make rivalries. Is it just completely random as a bargain option? Also i never get the leader and only find one person encounters in transport all the time even with the scarab, whats happening here?
Keeping Gravicius and Cameria in Transportation ensures that you can get 1-2 stacks of divination cards (full stacks) from Gravicius and a chance at a chase unique like Headhunter (nemesis league) ~ Timeworn Uniques. Gravicius can have some pretty nice full-sets of cards.
@@SuperCatacatayou can farm Catarina, if your goal is to farm veiled orbs. You can do this instead, (which is atleast ×10 faster) to get valuable items. I have gotten magebloods, house of Mirrors, headhunters etc.
@@SuperCatacata he did say it's good early league. Not much people crafting, veiled orbs are not that expensive. But you could get a lot of divine cards and other valuable cards at full stack and a chance at expensive uniques. Works well with a boss rush strat as well as he showcased
Thanks again for answering my earlier question! And for this video in the first place, Syndicate makes so much more sense now. Another question if you don't mind... How about connecting Gravicius with Cameria in this setup? Good idea, bad idea?
Hi really enjoying your video and sounds fun so I will try doing your setup One question I have atm: is there any downside to rivalries between members in research/intervention itself or can i just add rivalries there as i please if i get them beside the obvious gravicius to all except leaders
I used to do a much heavier connection system in the past but this seems to be more consistent in bringing cameria/gravicius into the research and intervention encounters to maintain their ranks.
VERY IMPORTANT: - You need to spec out of Bribery when you are setting up the rivalrys for Gravicus and the other guy in transport. I have been shooting myself in the foot for 4 hours
@@ryckett I don’t think so. The execute option rarely shows up for the last two people on your screen bcus they often try to betray each other and the very last guy can never be executed. So, just speak to the ppl with missing stars first.
He's got a mageblood and a build that zooms more or less instantly across the map, no way casual players are getting 13 safehouses an hour in betrayal. The guide is good, but he's getting a lot more profit than a typical player can expect from this strategy.
You could play the typical heist league starter and run even faster than I do honestly. You're not wrong that I am going to go faster than others though since I'm used to the talking options but keep in mind that also applies to most things in the game right.
@@blahmaster6k Yes, we probably can't do 13/hr, but he started from 0 just like the rest of us. Grind, make currency, and we can get there eventually. I play for about 2 hr a day and can usually get a pretty powerful build together. Not this powerful but still satisfying...
What about a set up if I just want to spam mastermind over and over? Any tips on that, since it blanks your board every time? Or is it just as straight forward as Run missions, hope you encounter the leader, 3 star them, then interrogate/ get intel from them rinse repeat for 4 or 5 maps to get mastermind up?
Yeah you can also run the scarabs and the atlas nodes that give intel to random safe house. You’ll get mastermind very quickly, like within a few maps. This is really good for xp as well.
This honestly is the real simple way to do Betrayal now. The entire thing got gutted, and the board doesn't matter at all anymore. Veiled orb is it, and that drops off the boss. So execute everybody, jail the 3 stars, take intelligence bargains, do safe houses, unlock and kill mastermind. Repeat
Fantastic video! The only thing I want to mention/warn others is: pretty sure that the phrase Captain and Leader got at least once confused with one another. Leader always refers to the lead position inside a safehouse. Even one star member can be leader. Captain is just another name for 3 star.
Oh didnt even bother to read description^^ Tbf confusing those two happend to me so many times already that I am quite aware of it :D The official phrase Captain is quite confusing imo. Thanks again for the sick content you provide regarding one of the most complex mechanics in this game
Any advice on setting up the board before running the strat? Do you just put Grav + 1 on other divisions first to get the rivalries set up before getting him to transportation?
I set it up this league by getting members into their proper positions first (2/2/5/5) and using the Bargain options given to the last standing member in encounters to build trusted and then rival relationships. Doing it this way allows you to run transportation safehouses while building up the connections.
I love the video, but I think it's important to highlight WHAT you are farming specifically so people can understand. Not everyone knows what gravicius does (myself included) and why this would be a valid strategy. If that was included as a quick segment in the intro that would be really cool for next time :)
Exactly this is making 0 sense I don't know what anyone of these guys gives or why I would want a certain category over the other this is not a Beginner Guide this is a Very Advanced Set Up !!! thanks For trying to help
Would be nice to have a video showing how to setup the board from a fresh run. I'm working hard on getting all my relations untied. Thinking it might just be easier to run Katarina and start fresh.
hey, thanks for the update, I used your strategy last league and got full set of The Doctor from Grav in SSF, super cool! I often have/had an issue of only Gravicius spawning in transportation encounters few times in a row though, despite him being rival with 7 members. is it common and just rng, or do I do something wrong?
Fascinating. I've done hundreds of Syndicate encounters, but this video shows that I still don't understand the first thing about it. Why Gravicius and Cameria? Why rivalries and not the green connections? As in, what goals can one set up for themselves, what can you really get out of Syndicate (outside of the chaos resistance crafts, that was the only thing I ever used it for)? Can you recommend an introduction video please?
Grav rewards full divination card stacks, cameria for league specific uniques (death rush mainly early league) Connections help bring in additional people into encounters for more executions/interrogations (+ranks, +intelligence) and rivals have better options than trusted due to them not having betray options I would recommend checking out the rewards available from each member in the various safehouses on poewiki or poedb and seeing what you would be interested in.
I couldn't say honestly. If you want you could make a spreadsheet from the data in the description with current trade values for the sets by their weight to know a rough value of each gravicius but for myself I've found it to be profitable enough and fun that I hadn't bothered. League start it for sure out strips cata but by this state of the league as veiled soar I imagine it's more of a fun strat than profitable comparatively. Has crazy high roll potential in that regard.
@@simplyVizniz Damn, would've been nice to come across this strat before this league started. Next league betrayal is likely getting reworked so who knows if this will still be the way to do things
great content, thanks for the clear visualization/presentation how'd one go about farming catarina tho? just get the members with valuable loot to be leaders and 3 before killing her and ball?
Focus on getting leaders to 3*, then other members, then interrogating non-leaders for intelligence, rushing to finish safehouses for cata intelligence. If you see a member that has a particular reward you like (such as grav transportation or haku ambush scarabs) take a map or two to try to align typically. Otherwise just do catarina and repeat
I built the 2 2 5 5 setup. But i cannot seem to get any connection to my grav or cameria. Do they have to have a connection before i put them in the 2 2 5 5 setup?
I have 10k hours in PoE but only this league decided to actually learn Betrayal properly (I always despised the mechanic). This league in SSF with so many farming avenues nerfed to shit, I decided to hunt for cards with Gravicius and your guides are the only truly helpful ones I've found. He has given me a Kaom's Heart and two full sets of Divine Beauty so far, I'm gonna do this at leaguestart next league unless they nerf it again.
Hey, I'm pretty new to poe. It's my 2nd league and I really want to try out the betrayal. is there any good guides on how I can get my board to look like yours? I dont understand how to move members to exactly where I want or how to get a lot of relations between them Also how long does it take to set up the board like this? Maybe this is a problem solver for me
This is mostly aimed more experienced players but I can try to help you through this. Moving members can be broken down to using various choices (although primarily Interrogation) to de-rank people down to 0* stars. You may notice this as members already who don't have a place and are floating around below the safehouses. If these members show up in an encounter you can talk with them and execute (+ ranks) to place them into the current encounter (research, intervention, fortification, or transportation). Using this method of de-ranking people to 0 and waiting until they appear in other safehouses you can begin the process of moving people to their proper locations. Building relationships can be done easily over a period of time by leaving members you want to have relationship last so they gain "Bargain" options that can build trusted (and later rival) relationships. These are independent of the members who show up in the encounter so reading the potential connections here is important. As for how long it can take to set this up typically experienced players doing single safehouse strategies (as opposed to double) can set it up in 5 or so hours. This time will be increased dramatically as less experienced players will be double checking the choices and reading more.
what ive been doing in the past (3.7) is just executing valuable scarab syndicate to intervention, demoting(interograte wanted syndicate from wrong safehouse), and expel unwanted one. i was raked ton of exalt from blood aqueduct farm only and bought my first HH within 3 days of farming.
Im in SSF. If I wanted to put Elreon in fortification to farm unique armour could I do that and farm transport and fortification along side each other with just 2 members in each safehouse? Absolutely awesome video btw!
Do you first build rivalry with Cameria/Grav and other members and then stick them in transportation, or you can do 2-2-5-5 first, and then build rivalries? I spent few hours today in final setup without connections, and it was kind poor experience - impossible to rank up the guys i need. Maybe Im bad at betrayal tho, first time taking it seriously.
You can do 2-2-5-5 first and then leave them as the last standing member every time you come across them as you'll get Bargain options that can create links.
What would you recommend the connections be in an SSF environment where scarabs for betrayal aren't as common? Or any way to farm said scarabs better, and thank you for the video! Super well put together.
t17s are an ok source of scarabs but realistically I would just do the same connections except you add in the leaders of research/intervention to the grav/cam connections since you won't use scarabs and that's the issue with connecting them
I honestly couldn't say but it was my league start strategy and I ended up at around 40 divines by day 2-3 from it alone. It's focused towards higher end rewards similar to something like ritual but card results such as divine beauty or sephirot can help balance out quite a bit. If you check out the doc below it has access to rough card weights in 3.24-3.25 and you can look at results from 800 and below for an idea of what you can hit.
@@simplyVizniz Appreciate the reply, homie. From other people I've heard that Gravicius seems to have weighting similar to that of old Pre Nerf stacked decks from a long time ago.
thanks for the video explanation, what are your thoughts on doing syndicate purely for fighting the mastermind boss to farm veiled orbs. I've been ignoring the setup of the npcs and only caring if the captain is rank 3 for mastermind intelligence. is there a quicker way to get mastermind intelligence other than just simply making sure captain is 3 rank and using interrogate when npcs below are rank 3
Mastermind and elevating rewarding members to 3* prior to do cata is pretty solid and in a ssf environment or as veiled orbs rise in price it is probably more consistent returns. Nothing can really be done to loop cata faster than what you've been doing
Thanks for the guide. The only thing I would mention is how long it can take to make connections. I didn't connect them all just enough. Maybe there's an easier way to make them that I missed?
Awesome guide!!! One question, is it necessary to have exactly Hillock and Aisling as leaders or is any leader okay you just need no connection to the leaders?
Im gonna try to run it for a bit, i was doing something simular in TOTA league but i was farming veiled bases for fracture :D. At the moment, do you think its worth running hillock instead of cameria instead? I understand hopes for HH, though, its price dropped so much, i think id rather get some essence scarabs? they still seem to cost something, but i will see how good their drops are as well
hey I have few questions if you dont mind: 1) Does Gravicius needs to be a leader? On your board you have Cameria as captain 2) Who you can recommend for transportation except Cameria/hh lottery? 3) I once opened safehouse on the map, and there were nobody there, door was shut and quest was saying "everybody fleed" how to avoid this? 4) I use use strat as addition to my main one, what the difference between your setup and setup without scarabs? Thank you!
Leadership for the safehouse rewards have no impact just that the leader will retain their stars after the safehouse which can lead to a quicker follow-up safehouse when Gravicius is leader since you don't have to rank him up again. Hillock is ok for essence scarabs, Leo for catalysts, vorici early in ssf for 50 fusings. Janus might be ok given the high price of chisels this league but I couldn't say having never used him. Hillock comes with the benefit of giving the fertile catalyst card often. You need to be sure there is no possibility of you entering an intervention encounter as the portals open by completely clearing the surrounding area. It can happen that as the portals are opening intervention occurs which will end the safehouse encounter. For safety you can open the portal after the intervention instead of after the first encounter. Setup without scarabs is just a bit slower due to the nature of having less reinforcements and lower intelligence gain. You make up for some of the delay by being able to connect leaders who have stronger intelligence gains overall and give access to large Bargain intelligence options. Betrayal is one of the those mechanics that plays very well alongside another mechanic although it is passive point hungry.
@simplyVizniz It will be nice if you show some clip what you can drop from this method:) also i'm intetrested what build you play? you have some link for video or POB?
Today i had a trade offer while i was launching the map, took maybe a minute to get over with the trade, then as soon as i entered the map, an intervention popped instantly, so timer is running already after a while if you dont get inside asap (I've been farming this for a few days already
i think ive saw this video 10 times by now, and im currently rocking the strat. ive got full stack of immortal (120 div right now) but ive got it after a bad choice and it was after catarina fight in her rewards (2 div stack chests), so this gave even more to think... 1st. on cata rewards the drop is even more boosted? or some chance for second chest? or 100% chance to get 2 chest? (if waitings not improved ive would still stick to this strat) 2nd. does grav have to be on top to run the transport? or can i have cameria there on any rank and only grav rank 3 matter (better card waiting with grav on top or leader?) Excellent guide, this strat is kinda weird, even after that big jackpot i dont know if i like it....the good thing is that if you accomplished the board you pretty much learned all about betrayal Some feedback edit, im getting the cartographer card a lot (spreadsheet value weight 7152) so i dont think its 800 or better sadly
chisels got reworked this league as noted by their scarcity across the board, sirgog did some detective work on gold cost -> card rarity correlation that may enlighten further on that grav can be leader or bottom his reward will be the same, it just decides who will be leader after and the other retains their stars (which is why I like grav leader to try to back to back transportation safehouses) when I tested in crucible there was no difference between cata chest t4 and safehouse t3 (aside from 2 box vs 1) but that was a few leagues ago and some things may have changed. It's a pretty high variable strategy though so I imagine from the number of people getting good rewards from both it's just rng.
Hi tyvm for the guide, I've been having a lot of fun finally learning betrayal! I have a question: how would I go about swapping a member in fortification with the not-gravicius member in transportation if my board is already 2-2-5-5? my Cameria's stuck in fortification at the moment
move one of the 5s to fort, then interrogate cameria down to 0 stars, move cameria to transpo, then interrogate the current 3rd member of tranpo to 0, move them back to the original 5 spot. Don't run safehouses during this just run more encounters and after 3 they'll drop from 100 intel to 90 so you can continue the process once theyre all in the proper places you can begin running transpo again
18:58 you mindfked me ... did you mean the opposite right? delay is recommended when gravicius is not 3 star yet is what you meant to say??? , and if so what happened when I release him? doesn't he loses all his connections doing that? and next encounter he'll join back to transportation guaranteed am I understanding this correctly? and what rank will he be next encounter will he reset to rank 1? and lastly does it matter which member end up in research, intervention and fortification? all I have to focus is gravicius and camera in transportation then?
Question, i have the board set up to the 2-2-5-5, but i have no betrayel except for one line of grav to janus, if the option to betray only shows up if they are in the same house, should i just do kata and set up betrayel earlier to set up betrayal or jsut play the rng
Im currently trying this and getting everyone to the correct position was so easy that i thought it wouldn't take much time, 3 hours later cameria and grav have no connections to anyone holy shit
Okay for anyone trying to set this up DO NOT TAKE THE BRIBERY NODE ON ATLAS PASSIVE SKILL TREE it makes so the bargain option is usually about items with veiled mods making it impossible to setup a board in less than 20 hours, after i removed it, cameria connected to everyone in 50 maps
@@Shadycrazy depends really its kinda of a big gamble, i got divine beauty and made 7 divs in 20 maps but hey thats my luck and it might not be yours, Yes i reallocate the node after i'm done and currently the veiled orbs are very expensive so its probably more stable for money, on the other hand you can replace cameria, which is a HUGE gamble for HH with Hillock for essence scarabs making way more profitable and stable, if you have any questions feel free to ask, Cheers
hey! I'm perhaps not the target audience for this since i play Ruthless, rewards aren't the same and scarabs aren't common. I also am farming Intervention for a chance at Paradoxica, no real interest in other rewards. I do think I can utilize the strategy of only having 2 well connected characters on Intervention, whilst making sure not to run the other safehouses. Great info in this vid, and if you have a second to think about it - tell me how you'd go about farming a Paradoxica without scarabs :D
I would agree with doing that but do note you could also run an additional safehouse during this such as research keeping it down to 2 members similar to what you plan for intervention. If you don't have access to scarabs you can feel free to connect the leaders as you won't run into the intelligence bug and they provide wonderful bargain options as well as interrogation intelligence.
@@simplyVizniz Thanks for the input, I'll do both of those things! Even though the board is not entirely set up yet, I feel like watching this vid has really upped my betrayal understanding and I've been running it all day with more success than before :D subbed!
so, just a question. dont know if im stupid or missed it. to make a rivalry do they need to be trusted or is that just one way to do it. pretty great guide. the rivalry thing is just the only one i didnt get,
Your vids have helped me more than any, but i'm still a betrayal noob. I have Haku in transport and his safehouse is ready but idk how to get him out of transport. Do i run it and he will leave or will I eventually get an option to move him?
You can de-rank them to 0 stars and they'll float around providing there are 2 other people remaining. After that use a betray option for him in another safehouse to get him there.
Great video, i tried making my board before watching the video and my connections between each board members are kinda random, linked captain and members between them, what should i do ? catarina and reset everything ?
Finally learned immortal syndicate. Was just wondering if grav and cameria need to be both rank 3 when running the safehouse or just the leader of transporation? does rank affect rewards? Oh, also the "Bargain" atlas tree passive, do we really want to get more items when we can get a chance at "set all the prisoners free" and get instant safehouse?
Grav being rank 3 is important for his div card weighting reward, cam I honestly have no real idea what additional ranks do for him. The leadership position just decides who will be leader after the safehouse and who will keep 3 stars so it can be helpful to get to the next safehouse faster having grav in lead. Unallocating Bribery will get you slightly faster safehouses but for the most part with scarabs it doesn't speed up the process on a per map basis very much.
is this setup better than farming for veiled orb? how often do you get jackpot card sets? im currently trying to farm veiled orbs and made a lot of div so far. i wanna get convinced that this setup is better
Hey, good vid! I liked the guide a lot. Got a question though. How do I force Gravicius back to Transport when he's in another branch? I had him in Transport, did Catarina and now he moved and can't find a way to get him back into Transport. Can't find a "moves to" option anywhere and it started to bother me, since I can't set up members correctly.
@@simplyVizniz also, do I need to get every lieutenant into Transportation first and betray them to create a rivalry link? or is there other option, like it can just show sooner or later randomly? I managed to get 2 2 5 5 with gravicius and cameria in transport, working out the links now:)
so, rival relationship from Gravicious and secondary transportation member to every regular member (lieutenants not: captains/not boys in circle, box) in another divisions (expect fortification) is better than everyone having rival relationship with everyone, and this is most optimal board for transportation farming while using reinforcements+inteligence scarabs?
You are a god sir, your plans goes over my head totally. Really dont understand why you would like to do this, i want to farm as much as possible xD I haven t even understand why not to the boss and let her be. chuckles by myself thinking this is why i never will be rich. :D
Best I've gotten this league was Seven Years Bad Luck but I've also gotten plenty of Sephirot, Divine Beauty, Offspring(Ryslathas), ect. You could always high roll into apos, docs, nurse, ect.
Okay so I'm one of the people that saw your 3.24 video - didn't notice it says OUTDATED so I spent quite a while setting all of the members rivals with each other and now I bump into this video. So what is your suggestion? Remove all rivalries and start anew or making them neutral with eachother? Also, what's the best drop you've gotten from gravicius this league? Thanks in advance and keep up the great work!
I would just let them naturally drop rival status -> neutral status through options since it doesn't disrupt your safehouse flow that much to have them under the old system. Seven years bad luck is the best I've gotten this league.
Two questions, why not block Research instead of Fortification as Research takes more time to run? And why do u rival them all instead of making them trusted? Also can i farm 3 members in transportation, or if i farm both transport and fort can there be 3 members in one of them?
I think thats becouse after you have everything set up. You want to find transport First on your maps. And fortification does not allow to skip it when it shows. But you Can skip research and you can skip intervention if you dont kill and hurry to find transport
so when is this strategy most profitable? early league since a lot of uniques have some value? or late league, when the chase items have become very expensive?
@simplyVizniz oh thanks I saw you got pilliege and plunder and since you never reset your board isn't it a bit rippy to have fully buffed syndicate members?
Question: i have Cameria rival with everyone except leaders. I rewatched the video for the 5th time now, and just now noticed that i dont want them connected with the lieutenant from fortification.... how to i brake the rivalry? hope for the fortification guy to ask to be removed? he will hop in hopefully in the next cycle so i can fix this right? Working on Cameria also atm, kinda hard to fit this entangled mass @_@ but its been really fun so far :D Didn't get anything super valuable, just a Divine Beaty once :S rest was just garbage, but surely runnin "ritual" with this strat really slowed the process >_< Mistakes were made, but thanks to your vids i was able to understand better this mechanic, i think i got this now (just before poe2 come out... better late than never i guess :P )
This is an awesome guide Because most syndicate guides are " You move this member here and he does this and then you raid the house and get the reward" lol Thanks
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“Simplified setup” 30 min video. PoE is unmatched 😂
Unsimplified would be 30h. I won't even bother with Betrayal, making my head spin :D
I mean its poe you can spend well over 30 min trying to explain anything in this game
It's like the tutorial series for EVE online, part 1 of 30, 1 hour each
God dammit I am 11 hours late.
Try to look for "Factorio absolute train basics" :)
This is going to be the 258,531 time that I think I finally understand what I am doing.
I wish you luck dude
Same, and again, I'm gonna think I understood and then realise I didnt
@@screamer22222 execute anybody that is 0 or 1 stars, Interrogate anybody that is 2 or star. Kill kartina 3-5 times an hour, average 2 veil drops per hour. That's it. It's not that complicated. If you do all the shit in the video you'll lose time and money. But it's good to understand it.
I won’t be fooled!!! I still don’t get it.
@@kkeithftotally different farming strat than the video is talking about. The vid is about div card farming from gravisius. Thought that was pretty clear if you play the game.
Most simple Poe league mechanic. Would recommend for beginners, thanks.
Lmao
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this is how i lost all my friends initially playing PoE. They all left the game after showing this vid.
Thought “man another long video” but at the end I was disappointed it wasn’t longer 😂 so I could see you do it on a fresh board. Very informative and clear guide, subscribed!
Ironically I had just decided earlier today to try Gravicius and found your previous 3.24 Betrayal strategy video. After literally watching that video 3 times while setting up my board over the past 5 hours I FINALLY started to understand how this worked. And then RUclips sent me to this video which you JUST posted so now I am going to spend hours watching this one and re-setup my board.
I'm so sorry but I hope this is easier for people to understand and has a much stronger synergy with scarabs
It will never end, it never ends, I've been in that rabbit hole for leagues on, and it never fucking ends.
I'm in the exact same situation 😂
i am the same 😂😂😂, i dont want to rebuild again and I don't use scarb
so, i will just continue rivals everyone to everyone, in the end i having fun and that what important
This is a world where the Syndicate are running their transportation department with a skeleton crew of two of the biggest lunatics they have, and EVERYBODY ABSOLUTELY HATES THEM, and somehow that results in massive profits.
This is an absolutely brilliant guide for a fascinating strategy, looks like I'm redoing my atlas tree again!
I started in Betrayal, and after 7k hours of playing this game, this shit still makes my fucking head hurt.
I still get confused by some of it honestly
honestly that league i was a massive noob compared to the noob i am today, but boy am i glad i spent an unhealthy amount of hours farming harbour bridge that league... the decision making becomes "fluent" to understand eventually where you don't have to think much about it, though i was not smart enough to figure out these specific relation connections, was always trained on "just give everybody relations to everybody" but super keen to try this out
"My head still hurts" - Hillock
Wanted to come and say, thanks for this video and the depth you put into it. I just pulled an apothecary stack at 10 hours of trying this method! Probably very lucky but wouldn't have been able to without your detail.
Currently deciding whether I should learn this or get a PhD in electrical engineering.
I would study a million safehouse layouts over EE again.
Hey! after two week, I did it!
now my board looks like yours
they like spiderman webbing other people up
now I feels like I controlled the Syndicate haha😆
thank for the tutorial!
after 3.4 I left POE and several comeback ,I finally know how Syndicate works!
Absolutely phenomenal guide man, explained everything clearly and provided a gameplay example of what to do.
Hope it helps!
Thanks for this guide!
All this time I've been doing hundreds of Catarina runs, chasing veiled orbs.
This seems like much faster and more consistent way to generate profit.
Actually one of the best guides on the complex Betrayl mechanics, great job
Thanks so much hope it helps ya
Accurate comment.
Getting grav in transport is not that complex
I always used to farm syndicate before the changes in 3.24. During the recombinator league when I was new to the game looking for money making strategy, I found a random underrated poe youtuber who simplified this to me in 20-30 mins. I tried that and sold my first Aisling after 2 tries. The more I tinkered around the mechanics the more shortcuts I found like having 100% mastermind intelligence right after finishing a katarina fight within 2-4 maps, how to get Aisling faster etc etc. To me betrayal was a very simple money making with no real investment other than buying sextants. Every league I made quite the money just from this.
After the immense changes, I lost hope because for me it was the easiest way to make money without putting a lot of efforts lol. Now after seeing this video I regained my interest back to try betreyal again.
Honestly I haven't got whole gist of your video yet, but after watching this again and again I will pull this off after some failed attempts.
Thank you guiding me back to syndicate again ❤️, in a new way.
After many years I guess I finally understood lol. I always run betrayal on league start for unveils and this league I was trying to get grav and was never getting transportation houses, i hope it remains the same next league lol
Thank you for the video, your voice is amazing.
They've said they are in the process of reworking syndicate and that it might be ready next league (talked about it before the league launch). Hopefully they make the overall experience a lot smoother and rewarding.
I wish i saw this video before league start. Great 33min SIMPLIFIED video xD. I think i can farm Safehouse next league!
Love this strat!!!! thank you so much, is so fun to gamble and i just got a hh and a pack of divine beauty in the SAME try hahah ♥ amazing video!
got stack of apothecary today from gravicious, thanks mate for the guide!
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I was looking around to see what others are doing in Betreyal and you have great explanation and showcase :)
Nice, I just watched your previous video on this multiple times this week to learn the strat and I've been building my board up and now you drop this 😎
Just like you said, it's a lot easier to understand once you try it. Very nice guide, thank you.
I've managed to do the 2-2-5-5 setup, Gravicius as leader of Transportation, Cameria as second, both rank 3, removed Bribery from Atlas, ranked all 5 members of Intervention and Research to 3 but still no trusted or rival relationship options found. Any time I run map with Jun the last person of 5 member faction has options to interrogate, release or as bargain I'm only getting remove member X from syndicate, remove all rivalries, destroy all items but nothing else.
How can I get bargain option to provide any relationship effects like trusted, rivalry or neutral? I've ran around 70 maps with Jun with people in right places without seeing bargain giving relationship change option of any kind.
I'm having the same issue, did you solve it?
For anyone else wondering, you have to make them trusted first, so if you see something like "Cameria and Riker become trusted" take that, then later you'll get a betray option to make them rivals. it's RNG to get them to be trusted, but as others have noted, unspec'ing Bribery on the tree helps
Absolutely brilliant. I think what you could try to show, and I don't want you to mess up your tree, is an initial setup. Some examples, even in paint. That'd help.
This. Because I understand what to do after we get the initiate setup, but I have no idea how to get the initial setup
I've written in the description recently some on the moving and initial relationship to try to help people out
I've added to the video description a bit detailing the process of deranking, moving, and setting up initial relationships to try to help people out. Hope it helps you
@@simplyVizniz Im still completely uncertain on how you make rivalries. Is it just completely random as a bargain option? Also i never get the leader and only find one person encounters in transport all the time even with the scarab, whats happening here?
so hyped, just used the last of my chaos to do this Atlas, thank you!!
I should probably watch the last 24min of the vid
Maybe I missed it, but there was no explanation of the goal of the strat. Would be nice to have in the beginning, like a summary
Keeping Gravicius and Cameria in Transportation ensures that you can get 1-2 stacks of divination cards (full stacks) from Gravicius and a chance at a chase unique like Headhunter (nemesis league) ~ Timeworn Uniques. Gravicius can have some pretty nice full-sets of cards.
@@Wistz90 With the current price of Veiled orbs, I still don't see the point in running this over Catarina rushing.
@@SuperCatacatayou can farm Catarina, if your goal is to farm veiled orbs. You can do this instead, (which is atleast ×10 faster) to get valuable items. I have gotten magebloods, house of Mirrors, headhunters etc.
@@SuperCatacata he did say it's good early league. Not much people crafting, veiled orbs are not that expensive. But you could get a lot of divine cards and other valuable cards at full stack and a chance at expensive uniques.
Works well with a boss rush strat as well as he showcased
Thanks again for answering my earlier question! And for this video in the first place, Syndicate makes so much more sense now.
Another question if you don't mind... How about connecting Gravicius with Cameria in this setup? Good idea, bad idea?
Oh, it's in your slides, I see it now :)
Great guide Ty! When can we get the build guide for the relic of the pact build? It looks badass!
Hi really enjoying your video and sounds fun so I will try doing your setup
One question I have atm: is there any downside to rivalries between members in research/intervention itself or can i just add rivalries there as i please if i get them beside the obvious gravicius to all except leaders
I used to do a much heavier connection system in the past but this seems to be more consistent in bringing cameria/gravicius into the research and intervention encounters to maintain their ranks.
VERY IMPORTANT:
- You need to spec out of Bribery when you are setting up the rivalrys for Gravicus and the other guy in transport. I have been shooting myself in the foot for 4 hours
yo me too lmao
Can that node make it so that Execute appears more rarely? Because sometimes it feels like I rarely get Execute or maybe I'm just unlucky.
@@ryckett I don’t think so. The execute option rarely shows up for the last two people on your screen bcus they often try to betray each other and the very last guy can never be executed. So, just speak to the ppl with missing stars first.
THIS. THANK YOU.
i was gonna make a video about syndicate simplified. As always there’s that one person that just has the edge. Nice video as always✌️👍👍
holy moly ... forget the safehouse guide .. WTF is that build ? ...
My brain told me when you started show casing your run , looks expencive :P
He's got a mageblood and a build that zooms more or less instantly across the map, no way casual players are getting 13 safehouses an hour in betrayal. The guide is good, but he's getting a lot more profit than a typical player can expect from this strategy.
You could play the typical heist league starter and run even faster than I do honestly. You're not wrong that I am going to go faster than others though since I'm used to the talking options but keep in mind that also applies to most things in the game right.
Relic of the pact elementalist
this is what 1k+ hours of syndicate look like type of player, now there is 20+ mechanic including crafting, poe is casino game
@@blahmaster6k Yes, we probably can't do 13/hr, but he started from 0 just like the rest of us. Grind, make currency, and we can get there eventually. I play for about 2 hr a day and can usually get a pretty powerful build together. Not this powerful but still satisfying...
What about a set up if I just want to spam mastermind over and over? Any tips on that, since it blanks your board every time? Or is it just as straight forward as
Run missions, hope you encounter the leader, 3 star them, then interrogate/ get intel from them
rinse repeat for 4 or 5 maps to get mastermind up?
Yeah you can also run the scarabs and the atlas nodes that give intel to random safe house. You’ll get mastermind very quickly, like within a few maps. This is really good for xp as well.
This honestly is the real simple way to do Betrayal now. The entire thing got gutted, and the board doesn't matter at all anymore. Veiled orb is it, and that drops off the boss. So execute everybody, jail the 3 stars, take intelligence bargains, do safe houses, unlock and kill mastermind. Repeat
As a comment above said, node that gives 10 int every map is huge, I could raid safehouse like every second map
This was exactly what I needed! Thanks. Gonna look through the rest of your stuff now! =)
Fantastic video!
The only thing I want to mention/warn others is: pretty sure that the phrase Captain and Leader got at least once confused with one another.
Leader always refers to the lead position inside a safehouse. Even one star member can be leader.
Captain is just another name for 3 star.
For sure I added a note to the video description right after I posted it when I noticed but good to get the word out more
Oh didnt even bother to read description^^
Tbf confusing those two happend to me so many times already that I am quite aware of it :D
The official phrase Captain is quite confusing imo.
Thanks again for the sick content you provide regarding one of the most complex mechanics in this game
Any advice on setting up the board before running the strat? Do you just put Grav + 1 on other divisions first to get the rivalries set up before getting him to transportation?
I set it up this league by getting members into their proper positions first (2/2/5/5) and using the Bargain options given to the last standing member in encounters to build trusted and then rival relationships. Doing it this way allows you to run transportation safehouses while building up the connections.
I love the video, but I think it's important to highlight WHAT you are farming specifically so people can understand. Not everyone knows what gravicius does (myself included) and why this would be a valid strategy.
If that was included as a quick segment in the intro that would be really cool for next time :)
That's exactly what I'm asking myself too...
Exactly this is making 0 sense I don't know what anyone of these guys gives or why I would want a certain category over the other this is not a Beginner Guide this is a Very Advanced Set Up !!! thanks For trying to help
Would be nice to have a video showing how to setup the board from a fresh run. I'm working hard on getting all my relations untied. Thinking it might just be easier to run Katarina and start fresh.
tested just now in 10 maps, 3.8 divs made with 2 div investment (this investment is for 20 maps). its chill, nice and quick.
hey, thanks for the update, I used your strategy last league and got full set of The Doctor from Grav in SSF, super cool! I often have/had an issue of only Gravicius spawning in transportation encounters few times in a row though, despite him being rival with 7 members. is it common and just rng, or do I do something wrong?
It just happens they won't always bring people
Fascinating. I've done hundreds of Syndicate encounters, but this video shows that I still don't understand the first thing about it. Why Gravicius and Cameria? Why rivalries and not the green connections?
As in, what goals can one set up for themselves, what can you really get out of Syndicate (outside of the chaos resistance crafts, that was the only thing I ever used it for)? Can you recommend an introduction video please?
Grav rewards full divination card stacks, cameria for league specific uniques (death rush mainly early league)
Connections help bring in additional people into encounters for more executions/interrogations (+ranks, +intelligence) and rivals have better options than trusted due to them not having betray options
I would recommend checking out the rewards available from each member in the various safehouses on poewiki or poedb and seeing what you would be interested in.
@@simplyVizniz Thank you so much! Things are actually starting to make sense... Cheers!
Amazing guide thank you. What are the expected profits with this strategy on the league start / at this point of the league?
I couldn't say honestly. If you want you could make a spreadsheet from the data in the description with current trade values for the sets by their weight to know a rough value of each gravicius but for myself I've found it to be profitable enough and fun that I hadn't bothered.
League start it for sure out strips cata but by this state of the league as veiled soar I imagine it's more of a fun strat than profitable comparatively. Has crazy high roll potential in that regard.
@@simplyVizniz Damn, would've been nice to come across this strat before this league started. Next league betrayal is likely getting reworked so who knows if this will still be the way to do things
great content, thanks for the clear visualization/presentation
how'd one go about farming catarina tho? just get the members with valuable loot to be leaders and 3 before killing her and ball?
Focus on getting leaders to 3*, then other members, then interrogating non-leaders for intelligence, rushing to finish safehouses for cata intelligence.
If you see a member that has a particular reward you like (such as grav transportation or haku ambush scarabs) take a map or two to try to align typically. Otherwise just do catarina and repeat
I built the 2 2 5 5 setup. But i cannot seem to get any connection to my grav or cameria. Do they have to have a connection before i put them in the 2 2 5 5 setup?
You can bring some people over and/or unspec Bribery to help Bargain creating connections
Was watching Cutedog explain this on stream but I think I got dumber
Great guide! Definitely much more clear strategy than other videos.
Curious, what build is that you are running?
Relic of the pact elementalist
I have 10k hours in PoE but only this league decided to actually learn Betrayal properly (I always despised the mechanic). This league in SSF with so many farming avenues nerfed to shit, I decided to hunt for cards with Gravicius and your guides are the only truly helpful ones I've found. He has given me a Kaom's Heart and two full sets of Divine Beauty so far, I'm gonna do this at leaguestart next league unless they nerf it again.
This just means, you spent to many hours killing monsters instead of learning the game more...
@@martingerbaldo yeah he spent his hours having fun
@@HelloWorldkz wrong. Everyone agrees on: more knowledge == more fun in poe
Hey, I'm pretty new to poe. It's my 2nd league and I really want to try out the betrayal. is there any good guides on how I can get my board to look like yours? I dont understand how to move members to exactly where I want or how to get a lot of relations between them
Also how long does it take to set up the board like this? Maybe this is a problem solver for me
This is mostly aimed more experienced players but I can try to help you through this.
Moving members can be broken down to using various choices (although primarily Interrogation) to de-rank people down to 0* stars.
You may notice this as members already who don't have a place and are floating around below the safehouses.
If these members show up in an encounter you can talk with them and execute (+ ranks) to place them into the current encounter (research, intervention, fortification, or transportation).
Using this method of de-ranking people to 0 and waiting until they appear in other safehouses you can begin the process of moving people to their proper locations.
Building relationships can be done easily over a period of time by leaving members you want to have relationship last so they gain "Bargain" options that can build trusted (and later rival) relationships. These are independent of the members who show up in the encounter so reading the potential connections here is important.
As for how long it can take to set this up typically experienced players doing single safehouse strategies (as opposed to double) can set it up in 5 or so hours. This time will be increased dramatically as less experienced players will be double checking the choices and reading more.
@@simplyViznizI honestly didn't expect to get such an amazing response. This helps out a ton. Thank you so much!
Was just wanted to ask the same question, great answer! Would you mind putting this in the video description so more can see this?
@@siz0u Great idea
what ive been doing in the past (3.7) is just executing valuable scarab syndicate to intervention, demoting(interograte wanted syndicate from wrong safehouse), and expel unwanted one. i was raked ton of exalt from blood aqueduct farm only and bought my first HH within 3 days of farming.
Yeah back in the old days I remember doing the 2/2 research/intervention setup and it was pretty popular back then.
Im in SSF. If I wanted to put Elreon in fortification to farm unique armour could I do that and farm transport and fortification along side each other with just 2 members in each safehouse? Absolutely awesome video btw!
Correct you can farm two safehouses at once using this just for simplicity and what I am after I only farm a single safehouse.
@@simplyVizniz appreciate the reply. Huge help. Thanks
Do you first build rivalry with Cameria/Grav and other members and then stick them in transportation, or you can do 2-2-5-5 first, and then build rivalries? I spent few hours today in final setup without connections, and it was kind poor experience - impossible to rank up the guys i need. Maybe Im bad at betrayal tho, first time taking it seriously.
You can do 2-2-5-5 first and then leave them as the last standing member every time you come across them as you'll get Bargain options that can create links.
What would you recommend the connections be in an SSF environment where scarabs for betrayal aren't as common? Or any way to farm said scarabs better, and thank you for the video! Super well put together.
t17s are an ok source of scarabs but realistically I would just do the same connections except you add in the leaders of research/intervention to the grav/cam connections since you won't use scarabs and that's the issue with connecting them
Great video guide. If you mentioned it in the video, I missed it. How much profit do you make doing this strategy per hour? Rough ballpark is fine.
I honestly couldn't say but it was my league start strategy and I ended up at around 40 divines by day 2-3 from it alone. It's focused towards higher end rewards similar to something like ritual but card results such as divine beauty or sephirot can help balance out quite a bit.
If you check out the doc below it has access to rough card weights in 3.24-3.25 and you can look at results from 800 and below for an idea of what you can hit.
@@simplyVizniz Appreciate the reply, homie. From other people I've heard that Gravicius seems to have weighting similar to that of old Pre Nerf stacked decks from a long time ago.
Good vid, very comprehensive guide.
thanks for the video explanation, what are your thoughts on doing syndicate purely for fighting the mastermind boss to farm veiled orbs. I've been ignoring the setup of the npcs and only caring if the captain is rank 3 for mastermind intelligence. is there a quicker way to get mastermind intelligence other than just simply making sure captain is 3 rank and using interrogate when npcs below are rank 3
Mastermind and elevating rewarding members to 3* prior to do cata is pretty solid and in a ssf environment or as veiled orbs rise in price it is probably more consistent returns.
Nothing can really be done to loop cata faster than what you've been doing
kinda half assed it but got a sephirot on my 2nd grav lol good blueprint for understanding the mechanic thanks
Thanks for the guide. The only thing I would mention is how long it can take to make connections. I didn't connect them all just enough. Maybe there's an easier way to make them that I missed?
Awesome guide!!! One question, is it necessary to have exactly Hillock and Aisling as leaders or is any leader okay you just need no connection to the leaders?
Anyone is fine just avoid connections to the leaders while using scarabs
@@simplyViznizdo I have to use scarabs or can I get this board setup as a supplemental mechanic to say essence
Im gonna try to run it for a bit, i was doing something simular in TOTA league but i was farming veiled bases for fracture :D. At the moment, do you think its worth running hillock instead of cameria instead? I understand hopes for HH, though, its price dropped so much, i think id rather get some essence scarabs? they still seem to cost something, but i will see how good their drops are as well
Even better explained than previous Betrayal guide, time to redo my red-crossed betrayal menu and make it tidy like here
It looks so clean now
this is great but what's even better looking is your build, what's that? looks dope!
you are insane bro!
very cool stuff thanks for sharing
Appreciate it
hey I have few questions if you dont mind:
1) Does Gravicius needs to be a leader? On your board you have Cameria as captain
2) Who you can recommend for transportation except Cameria/hh lottery?
3) I once opened safehouse on the map, and there were nobody there, door was shut and quest was saying "everybody fleed" how to avoid this?
4) I use use strat as addition to my main one, what the difference between your setup and setup without scarabs?
Thank you!
Leadership for the safehouse rewards have no impact just that the leader will retain their stars after the safehouse which can lead to a quicker follow-up safehouse when Gravicius is leader since you don't have to rank him up again.
Hillock is ok for essence scarabs, Leo for catalysts, vorici early in ssf for 50 fusings. Janus might be ok given the high price of chisels this league but I couldn't say having never used him.
Hillock comes with the benefit of giving the fertile catalyst card often.
You need to be sure there is no possibility of you entering an intervention encounter as the portals open by completely clearing the surrounding area. It can happen that as the portals are opening intervention occurs which will end the safehouse encounter. For safety you can open the portal after the intervention instead of after the first encounter.
Setup without scarabs is just a bit slower due to the nature of having less reinforcements and lower intelligence gain. You make up for some of the delay by being able to connect leaders who have stronger intelligence gains overall and give access to large Bargain intelligence options.
Betrayal is one of the those mechanics that plays very well alongside another mechanic although it is passive point hungry.
@@simplyVizniz you the best
@simplyVizniz It will be nice if you show some clip what you can drop from this method:) also i'm intetrested what build you play? you have some link for video or POB?
Today i had a trade offer while i was launching the map, took maybe a minute to get over with the trade, then as soon as i entered the map, an intervention popped instantly, so timer is running already after a while if you dont get inside asap
(I've been farming this for a few days already
i think ive saw this video 10 times by now, and im currently rocking the strat. ive got full stack of immortal (120 div right now) but ive got it after a bad choice and it was after catarina fight in her rewards (2 div stack chests), so this gave even more to think...
1st. on cata rewards the drop is even more boosted? or some chance for second chest? or 100% chance to get 2 chest? (if waitings not improved ive would still stick to this strat)
2nd. does grav have to be on top to run the transport? or can i have cameria there on any rank and only grav rank 3 matter (better card waiting with grav on top or leader?)
Excellent guide, this strat is kinda weird, even after that big jackpot i dont know if i like it....the good thing is that if you accomplished the board you pretty much learned all about betrayal
Some feedback edit, im getting the cartographer card a lot (spreadsheet value weight 7152) so i dont think its 800 or better sadly
chisels got reworked this league as noted by their scarcity across the board, sirgog did some detective work on gold cost -> card rarity correlation that may enlighten further on that
grav can be leader or bottom his reward will be the same, it just decides who will be leader after and the other retains their stars (which is why I like grav leader to try to back to back transportation safehouses)
when I tested in crucible there was no difference between cata chest t4 and safehouse t3 (aside from 2 box vs 1) but that was a few leagues ago and some things may have changed. It's a pretty high variable strategy though so I imagine from the number of people getting good rewards from both it's just rng.
Thank you sir for explaining!
Hi tyvm for the guide, I've been having a lot of fun finally learning betrayal! I have a question: how would I go about swapping a member in fortification with the not-gravicius member in transportation if my board is already 2-2-5-5? my Cameria's stuck in fortification at the moment
move one of the 5s to fort, then interrogate cameria down to 0 stars, move cameria to transpo, then interrogate the current 3rd member of tranpo to 0, move them back to the original 5 spot.
Don't run safehouses during this just run more encounters and after 3 they'll drop from 100 intel to 90 so you can continue the process
once theyre all in the proper places you can begin running transpo again
@@simplyVizniz gotcha, thanks a lot!
I logged in after this comment and my very first fort encounter cameria gave me the bargain option to swap with the transpo member lmao
18:58 you mindfked me ... did you mean the opposite right? delay is recommended when gravicius is not 3 star yet is what you meant to say??? , and if so what happened when I release him? doesn't he loses all his connections doing that? and next encounter he'll join back to transportation guaranteed am I understanding this correctly? and what rank will he be next encounter will he reset to rank 1? and lastly does it matter which member end up in research, intervention and fortification? all I have to focus is gravicius and camera in transportation then?
I have a question.
do i need to rival them before setup the position or i can do that slowly after i setup them on right position?
Do I move Cameria and gravicius around to build trust/rivals first before putting them in transportation?
You can use that method or rely on Bargain options (unallocate Bribery atlas passive)
Question, i have the board set up to the 2-2-5-5, but i have no betrayel except for one line of grav to janus, if the option to betray only shows up if they are in the same house, should i just do kata and set up betrayel earlier to set up betrayal or jsut play the rng
i am more like Ralf from the Simpsons...i am on fire - standing there and smile....hammer the mouse on what looks nice and hope for the best xD
Im currently trying this and getting everyone to the correct position was so easy that i thought it wouldn't take much time, 3 hours later cameria and grav have no connections to anyone holy shit
Okay for anyone trying to set this up DO NOT TAKE THE BRIBERY NODE ON ATLAS PASSIVE SKILL TREE it makes so the bargain option is usually about items with veiled mods making it impossible to setup a board in less than 20 hours, after i removed it, cameria connected to everyone in 50 maps
@@ahazu1445do you reallocate that node after setup?
Also sorry for double tap but do you feel like farming transportation is better then farming mastermind for veiled?
@@Shadycrazy depends really its kinda of a big gamble, i got divine beauty and made 7 divs in 20 maps but hey thats my luck and it might not be yours, Yes i reallocate the node after i'm done and currently the veiled orbs are very expensive so its probably more stable for money, on the other hand you can replace cameria, which is a HUGE gamble for HH with Hillock for essence scarabs making way more profitable and stable, if you have any questions feel free to ask, Cheers
hey! I'm perhaps not the target audience for this since i play Ruthless, rewards aren't the same and scarabs aren't common. I also am farming Intervention for a chance at Paradoxica, no real interest in other rewards. I do think I can utilize the strategy of only having 2 well connected characters on Intervention, whilst making sure not to run the other safehouses. Great info in this vid, and if you have a second to think about it - tell me how you'd go about farming a Paradoxica without scarabs :D
I would agree with doing that but do note you could also run an additional safehouse during this such as research keeping it down to 2 members similar to what you plan for intervention.
If you don't have access to scarabs you can feel free to connect the leaders as you won't run into the intelligence bug and they provide wonderful bargain options as well as interrogation intelligence.
@@simplyVizniz Thanks for the input, I'll do both of those things! Even though the board is not entirely set up yet, I feel like watching this vid has really upped my betrayal understanding and I've been running it all day with more success than before :D subbed!
so, just a question. dont know if im stupid or missed it. to make a rivalry do they need to be trusted or is that just one way to do it. pretty great guide. the rivalry thing is just the only one i didnt get,
Yeah it goes neutral -> trusted -> rival -> neutral (stopping at rival)
@@simplyVizniz ah okay got ya. thanks man !
Your vids have helped me more than any, but i'm still a betrayal noob. I have Haku in transport and his safehouse is ready but idk how to get him out of transport. Do i run it and he will leave or will I eventually get an option to move him?
You can de-rank them to 0 stars and they'll float around providing there are 2 other people remaining. After that use a betray option for him in another safehouse to get him there.
Great video, i tried making my board before watching the video and my connections between each board members are kinda random, linked captain and members between them, what should i do ? catarina and reset everything ?
Finally learned immortal syndicate. Was just wondering if grav and cameria need to be both rank 3 when running the safehouse or just the leader of transporation? does rank affect rewards?
Oh, also the "Bargain" atlas tree passive, do we really want to get more items when we can get a chance at "set all the prisoners free" and get instant safehouse?
Grav being rank 3 is important for his div card weighting reward, cam I honestly have no real idea what additional ranks do for him.
The leadership position just decides who will be leader after the safehouse and who will keep 3 stars so it can be helpful to get to the next safehouse faster having grav in lead.
Unallocating Bribery will get you slightly faster safehouses but for the most part with scarabs it doesn't speed up the process on a per map basis very much.
is this setup better than farming for veiled orb? how often do you get jackpot card sets? im currently trying to farm veiled orbs and made a lot of div so far. i wanna get convinced that this setup is better
Hey, good vid! I liked the guide a lot.
Got a question though. How do I force Gravicius back to Transport when he's in another branch? I had him in Transport, did Catarina and now he moved and can't find a way to get him back into Transport. Can't find a "moves to" option anywhere and it started to bother me, since I can't set up members correctly.
interrogate down to 0 stars and wait till he shows up in transpo to execute into
@@simplyVizniz Alright, I'll try to catch him on the wheels then. :D Thanks for the tip!
@@simplyVizniz also, do I need to get every lieutenant into Transportation first and betray them to create a rivalry link? or is there other option, like it can just show sooner or later randomly? I managed to get 2 2 5 5 with gravicius and cameria in transport, working out the links now:)
great video !! new to that and was very clear and helpfull
Any chance you could make a guide on catarina rushing aswell? Or does that devolve to simply spamming interrogations?
so, rival relationship from Gravicious and secondary transportation member to every regular member (lieutenants not: captains/not boys in circle, box) in another divisions (expect fortification) is better than everyone having rival relationship with everyone, and this is most optimal board for transportation farming while using reinforcements+inteligence scarabs?
You are a god sir, your plans goes over my head totally. Really dont understand why you would like to do this, i want to farm as much as possible xD I haven
t even understand why not to the boss and let her be. chuckles by myself thinking this is why i never will be rich. :D
yep im gonna learn about betrayal this time for sure!
What are you specifically looking to get with gravicious, like what kind of div cards do you looking for? What’s a good find basically?
Best I've gotten this league was Seven Years Bad Luck but I've also gotten plenty of Sephirot, Divine Beauty, Offspring(Ryslathas), ect.
You could always high roll into apos, docs, nurse, ect.
@@simplyVizniz What profit can be expected using this method?
Okay so I'm one of the people that saw your 3.24 video - didn't notice it says OUTDATED so I spent quite a while setting all of the members rivals with each other and now I bump into this video. So what is your suggestion? Remove all rivalries and start anew or making them neutral with eachother? Also, what's the best drop you've gotten from gravicius this league? Thanks in advance and keep up the great work!
I would just let them naturally drop rival status -> neutral status through options since it doesn't disrupt your safehouse flow that much to have them under the old system.
Seven years bad luck is the best I've gotten this league.
Two questions, why not block Research instead of Fortification as Research takes more time to run?
And why do u rival them all instead of making them trusted?
Also can i farm 3 members in transportation, or if i farm both transport and fort can there be 3 members in one of them?
I think thats becouse after you have everything set up. You want to find transport First on your maps. And fortification does not allow to skip it when it shows.
But you Can skip research and you can skip intervention if you dont kill and hurry to find transport
also i just realized that transport and fort Cant spawn togheter in maps, its 50 50 one or the other
so when is this strategy most profitable? early league since a lot of uniques have some value? or late league, when the chase items have become very expensive?
Quantum mechanics: 😇🙂
POE Betrayal mechanics: 🥸💀🤬🕤
It's like somebody try to explain board game rules... :(
Is this better than rushing board and praying for a veil from catarina?
hi, this video is so useful, i messed up somehow and my grav is now in Fortification as the 2nd guy :/, should I do Catrina to clear it all up?
Does map tier affect gravicius reward? like should i always do on t16 map or it doesnt matter?
As far as I am aware no it has no impact in what gravicius can offer just the ranks have an impact.
Oh nice i was just asking in your previous gravicus video 4 months ago if its still viable, can you share your atlas tree also?
should be in the description ya
@simplyVizniz oh thanks I saw you got pilliege and plunder and since you never reset your board isn't it a bit rippy to have fully buffed syndicate members?
Question: i have Cameria rival with everyone except leaders. I rewatched the video for the 5th time now, and just now noticed that i dont want them connected with the lieutenant from fortification.... how to i brake the rivalry? hope for the fortification guy to ask to be removed? he will hop in hopefully in the next cycle so i can fix this right?
Working on Cameria also atm, kinda hard to fit this entangled mass @_@ but its been really fun so far :D
Didn't get anything super valuable, just a Divine Beaty once :S rest was just garbage, but surely runnin "ritual" with this strat really slowed the process >_<
Mistakes were made, but thanks to your vids i was able to understand better this mechanic, i think i got this now (just before poe2 come out... better late than never i guess :P )
just don't mind the fortification connections that much and keep an eye out for the bargain option to go from rival -> neutral between them
Alright bro. Can you do a 1h -no cut- video of this farming in action?
This is an awesome guide
Because most syndicate guides are
" You move this member here and he does this and then you raid the house and get the reward" lol
Thanks
I mean moving member between houses is pretty easy
the goat returns with an updated video
Holy shit I had no idea you can open safehouses while in a map
its was like that ever since iirc
This reminds me of that damn labyrinth puzzle to open the gate to the treasure chest..