Hey spare parts army thanks a ton for watching, these are ONLY 4 of the reasons - Why do you think nobody wants to join the military anymore? Did I miss something important? Let me know! unironically hooah photos: instagram.com/cappyarmy/ uniornically hooah tweets twitter.com/Cappyarmy
it's solely because we don't want to fight Israels wars in the Middle east when they spy on us and work against americans censoring them. Second, they just fired a whole bunch of military people over Vaccines and Trump. If they weren't Winning in Ukraine nobody would join.
I feel that. That is by far the biggest reason i got out. Its that toxic idea of when things are not proficient or effective or anything else of that nature, you are hit with the "thats just the way it is" or "its your job so deal with it" instead of taking simple steps to fix a simple problem
Well, we just spent over 20 years of constant warfare only to end up with the same enemy in charge of more territory and with better weapons... can't imagine why kids today aren't busting down the door to the recruiter's office
Use the military as a path to citizenship for immigrants, if they can survive a March across Mexico to get here six weeks basic training would be a cakewalk and they probably believe in the American promise than some couch potatoe, vidhead incel.
Back in the early 2000’s when I was thinking about what to do with my life post high school, I considered the military and talked with an older family friend who went through the horror of Vietnam. Their advice was simple: “if you wanna serve your country kid, go volunteer in a homeless kitchen or advocate for the needy, the sick and the poor. All the military will give you is trauma, a broken body and a pat on the back for killing some poor bastard who just wanted you to leave his homeland.” Miss ya Willie, you deserved better.
How the Vietnam Vets were treated was absolutely disgusting. America as a whole should have been ashamed of themselves. My Dad and Uncle both served during Vietnam. Willie sounds like he was a good guy R.I.P.
That is amazing advice and disappointing as well. We have the idea of Military Men all being heroes, when in fact many times no one asked to be saved. We are only liberating resources.
the care of veterans in US is problematic. In france, my father, after his years of service in land army, was reaffected in road gendarmery brigade, it was a very cookl job, just give tickets to people caught by a radar (gendarmery is a french military status police force, divided in three : white gendarmery, a countryside police. Yellow gendarmery, anti riot mobile troop. And republican guard).
@@geraldjuvejr.6171 my grandpa served and NEVER talked about it. He was a firefighter. I don't even know if he was drafted or not because of how little he spoke of it.
Fighting a war like WW2 makes more sense, I hate war but if I had to I would willingly enlist in the US army for a war like WW2. But for going to a random foreign country because the government doesn't like how their civil war is going? no thanks.
Maybe not a system but more to stay from being invaded and protecting our families cuz if we don’t go drafting will happen and ppl we love are going to go. So basically we go so nobody else has to and live there comfortable life.
@@lorenzomata6080 To be fair we were helping the legitimate Afghanistan government regain control, America did it, then two decades later it went right back to the same in a couple months.
ya also a country that pushes of anti-white sentiment in every facet of our culture you know whites the ones who make up the majority of the people who to choice to volunteer to join the military i cant believe that aren't willing to die for a country that loves them so much, talk about ungrateful
And they nitpick over petty things like stubble on the face, which is really annoying. Some stress is understandable, but the military is just needlessly stressful. For people who are willing to put their lives on the line, soldiers deserve respect.
@@independentvoter8710 Because they might need to wear gas or fire masks at a moments notice. Being attacked, shit blowing up and catching fire is part of the job. Do you understand. I'm not being funny.
One reason is us older vets are advising against joining the military due to the fact they use us up and then throw us away. I was poisoned by the Camp Lejeune water, and for 20 years myself and many thousands like me had to fight to get a law passed so we could get the medical help we need and compensation for the mistakes of the government. It's like my dad's generation the Korean War, Vietnam vets that are still being denied help for agent orange.
I am a USMC veteran who, if you can believe their own admitted dates, missed the Camp LeJeune water contamination by one year, but my own medical issues and continued problems with dealing with the VA and it's far sub-standard medical care and totally screwed up disability rating system along with the current political climate and the USMC re-organization efforts by the new Commandant, have me recommending anyone against serving today. I could write a book about how bad the VA is but I still have pride in my own service I just wouldn't tell anyone the reward is worth the risk involved when your standard of life is so low afterward and the government absolutely sh*ts all over you the whole time.
I was exposed to chemicals while in the Navy. The VA Rep, told me to put in a claim and I would receive a letter with a hearing date. He was certain that I would get a hearing. The letter arrived and stated that they had no record of me ever being in the Navy. No duty station, nothing. So, no hearing could not be scheduled. Because I didn't exist apparently. I still have my original DD214 and, copies of orders and a photo book. Apparently they did discard my claim. Years went by and I met other Vets who complained about the VA. They all had issues with claims and hearings. Then I checked on my records again and lo and behold they are all there. I guess I lost my motivation, got no fight left in me. Don't join the Military. They apparently don't care about anyone.
Records get lost. I doubt very much that they were simply discarded as in tossed in the trash. hey apparently denied your claim because they did not have (lost) the documents. You were smart enough to NOT send originals (never do that) so it'd be simple to make more copies and resubmit by mail or fax, more recently online. If you resubmitted within a year, you'd get a years worth of back pay.
I'm a recent veteran. It's easy to lie to new kids joining and saying "you'll defend the nation". It's pretty hard to lie to guys who are already in / have served who know we aren't defending anything but senior citizen politicians' pocketbooks.
Vet myself and I can’t help but see how we always try to copy the Roman Empire model when it’s in direct contrast to the American founding fathers. The Roman argument for enlistment was, “You give up your freedom for security” when one of our own founding father’s Benjamin Franklin famously said, “If you give up liberty for security, you’ll get neither and you’ll deserve neither.”-Which is where most vets like myself find themselves after serving. You lost all freedom when you signed your life away to a contract more beholden than a student loan where you’ll end your career in military prison if you rebel, and you lost all security when you placed yourself in the cross fire of a foreign destabilized region and our special interest owners. It doesn’t matter if our troops imagine they have morals, because at the end of the day with the chain of command-the ones wielding this GOD-LIKE power over who lives and who dies are all rich A holes in Washington that make sure to keep the entire lower ranked military both Pennywise and pound foolish.
BINGO. Marine veteran here. I get so tired of people that say the military “defends our freedom”. If that were true, they’d be occupying Capitol Hill and driving out the nest of vipers that use the peoples house as a whore house. When “president” Biden used Marines in dress blues for his infamous speech with the red background in which he painted half the country with a broad brush and denigrated us, yeah, no. Never again would I raise my right hand and swear an oath to this government.
It’s difficult to get people excited to serve a system that doesn’t serve them. The government has been facing a major legitimacy crisis and approval rating is at ridiculous lows.
>A gov that doesn't respect the constitution >Is figure-headed by someone that can be outsmarted by a rock >Has left its allies to die >Has left its own soldiers to die >Has armed terrorists and gangsters countless times >Isn't just apathetic, but is openly hostile toward its tax payers >Is immensely wasteful >Has all but destroyed this once glorious economic powerhouse >Sends money overseas while ignoring the issues of ghettos, homelessness, drugs, mental illness, crime and prisoner torture and abuse >Often shills for one of our most powerful adversaries, the CCP >Has turned the MSM into an echo chamber of lies >Is complicit with the eventual loss of U.S. sovereignty, submits to the will of haughty globalists
One thing he left out (probably on purpose) is TOXIC LEADERSHIP. There is an INFESTATION of Toxic Leaders who practice favoritism, enforce double standards, while they hide behind rank and abuse their power. Not to mention, they have almost dictatorial power over you. I ETS'd out of the Army in 2020 as an E-5, and I have LOVED life ever since. The ONLY thing I miss is my battle buddies. They couldn't pay me to re-enlist. My mentality did not start off like this, it came from almost 7 years of first hand experience. Until the Armed forces (as a whole) cleans house from TOP to bottom, holds Leaders accountable, (and PUNISH them), the Military will continue to be under-strengthed. People DO NOT want to be taken from family, risk their lives, then be trapped dealing with Bullshit 24/7 from Self Righteous Pricks who bring shame to the rank on their chest. One last thing, if politicians (including high ranking military leaders) want war so damn bad, they need to send THEIR sons, daughters, nieces, nephews, and grandchildren. If their loved ones are not on the front lines, then we shouldn't be either. #AfghanistanVeteran
I wish the previous generations did something so I could go back to where I came from #Afghanrefugee. People really should appreciate that wars are now fought for dominance so that resources can be exploited in the benefit of a few. They never fought to save the Afghans from the Afghans...
Bro. I spent four years with busted legs, refusing to get on profile, passing all my PT tests so that I could impress my NCOs and do my highly skilled aviation job, but the same dirtbag E6 kept putting his buddies into my slot based on how cool they looked, or what sports teams they liked. My fifth year in, I just stopped showing up to work, and got the E6 fired. The unit was restructured, but by then it was too late, my contract was coming to an end and they'd just been stringing me along until I came up on orders, so I did everything I could to get my medboard option back, and got tf out.
I agree with the last statement! If these politicians and businessmen want war so badly, they need to send " their"kids or better yet, do it themselves!
Former Air Force officer here. I'd go back in a heartback to defend the nation against a serious threat....but risking my life for wars of convenience? Hell no!
my buddy is marine who was in around 2011ish and he told me they mostly just guarded poppy fields and oil... were some dudes out there killing bad guys? Of course, but it was navy seals and rangers and delta not the average enlisted. They were guarding the money...
Not really wars of convenience, more like wars over money. And not even money that the general population would ever see, just the 1%. Hard to get excited about that.
Speaking as a veteran myself, it no longer feels like you're fighting for your country but a corrupt and useless government. I refuse to risk my life for those people.
@@33ZackG That's clearly not the case, how about you check those reup #'s from 2008 and 2009 when the economy tanked? The pandemic was a boon for young people to get a job because many boomers retired in 2020 and 2021.. So I guess as a 21 yr old today is why should I sign up for a job that could put me in harms way? Sure I'll have to work for Amazon, Target, or Walmart for $17.00, but at least I won't get shot at or come home with half my face missing.
As someone who served, I talk kids out of serving. Why would anyone knowingly join any organization where the leadership is hopelessly incompetent and disloyal to anything but their career ambitions and the American people couldn't care less about you?
The Vietnam war is the catalyst. Veterans advise their loved ones to avoid military service any way they can. When I was a private graduating from basic training, my brother was there. He did not like what he saw. He witnessed trainees being brutally abused by drill instructors. He resolved to never get involved with the military. When they came to arrest him, he was in a hospital recovering from surgery. He escaped military service.
I come from a military family. Dad was an Air Force air traffic controller. Mom was in the navy. My grandfather served in Vietnam and Korean and was a drill sergeant in the army. Uncles were in the Air Force also. Growing up I was taught to never enlist and get an education. Watching how my dad lived after being honorably discharged I can see why. This country doesn’t care about its vets.
Try going a day without using a single product that does not involve petroleum in it's manufacture and/or delivery. Our way of life would crumble without it. So ya, it's worth fighting for.
I think one of the largest overlooked factors is simply that there is an large and rapidly growing number of people (myself included) who genuinely don't believe in what we're fighting for anymore.
Honestly there's also the idea that the genral USA citzent is way more cognizant that other countries don't like USA very much, mostly due forging policy. *Srughs* it's a reall problem for all institutions really.
Yeah agreed. I was sent to Iraq during the first rotation in after the invasion. The Army thought Iraq was gonna be another Kosovo/Bosnia style peace keeping mission. So most of the units that rotated in with mine didn't have armored vehicles. My unit was supposed to go in during the invasion from the North through Turkey. Instead Turkey pulled out at the last minute. So our stuff sat on the boat. So we went in will all our tanks brads and heli's. When the insurgency kicked off my unit was one of the few that was actually ready hardware wise. The Iraqi's stopped being friendly to us when they figured out we weren't leaving. We went from being the liberators of Iraq to the Crusades all over again in their eyes. Afghanistan and Iraq were both pointless and wasteful wars. Where the only winners were those selling weapons and supplies to the pentagon. All of us soldiers knew the war was wrong. We should have never been in that country to begin with. Bomb the pants off Saddam sure. But never put boots on the ground in a Muslim nation. That was pure idiocy.
@@irish7460 The purpose of those wars wasn't to win anything, it was just to keep the Military Industrial Complex get its paycheck so the longer they go the better. Remember to sign up to die for Israel.
@@Soulessdeeds We were the ones who put Saddam there, we were the ones who trained Al'Quaeda. Our Intelligence agencies are working for God knows whose interests but it certainly isn't America. Same with our "ruling class", they send us to wars that destroy our own economy "bombing the hell off Saddam" instead of building up our own nation. We need a French Revolution in this nation. That's why I voted for Trump, the political class and the globalists who own the media and most corpos are clearly our enemy.
No. The last thing they want is more patriots in the military. Especially since they'd keep their training and still have their own guns at home when they finish their term of service. It is a nightmare for tyrants.
@@midgetydeathMore like training dangerous people like drug dealers would threaten the lives of politicians. Protest is fine. Armed retaliation is a problem to the state.
@TehKaiser you know most protests have involved force right? And are only a sign or civil unrest>revolution/civil wars to come if the tensions increase. The basis of any country today has involved revolutions or civil wars... and they still go on even now. And if the population increases to the point most protest a cause... and peaceful protesting doesn't work, armed retaliation will be used...once again like always.
I almost enlisted myself but I had a fateful encounter with a homeless man who was a Vietnam veteran. The man had clear mental problems and was begging for food in tears. I was still in high school, and didn't have a job at the time, but i did have some Taco Bell that i had bought for myself as a treat. He stated that it had been so long since he had a warm meal. It made me realize that this government doesn't care about those that are no longer useful. They onlt remember about their veterans when a politician is trying to block an opposing politician's bill
It depends on your career field and what branch you join. There are jobs in the miltiary where you rarely see combat, although there is always the possibility of deploying to a combat zone. Vietnam was different because that was before the all-volunteer force and many of the veterans who were drafted were in combat career fields.
@@steverichards7163 All I'm saying is there's other jobs where it doesn't really feel like you're fighting. There are office jobs in the military too that are non-combat. And you still get the benefits.
@lets-go-larson5 My dad gets random PTSD when he's a passenger in a car because when he was driving in a convoy, a hum-v was blown up from an IED a few cars ahead of him. My mom didn't step on grass for almost an entire year because her job was locating and deactivating hidden mines that the Iraqis buried everywhere and she developed an irrational fear of stepping on loose soil. Also they didn't even agree with why America went to war so that's something too.
An army recruiter approached me at my college orientation and was trying to find a foothold. He said there was all kinds of stuff you could do in the army and asked, “What do you like to do?”, and I was like, “Well, I like to read.” Eventually he saw it was a lost cause and kind of just shuffled away. I felt sort of bad for him
To join the military, you not only need to have a desire to serve your country, you also need to know your country has the best of intentions for you. I don’t feel the country politicians have the best of intentions for their citizens.
And knowing you're on you're own for the cost of prosthetics that are "More than we're able to give" (canadian specific jab at politicians), You kinda figure you're better of on your own when we get invaded too.
I got out back in '03 and it was the same bullshit then. Shirts tucked in while in civilian clothes, mandatory belt, if you had a 72 or 96 coming up and wanted to go somewhere, mandated vehicle inspections, I guess 'cause the valid state inspection sticker was bullshit, who knows. Zero life outside of work without someone who's bored and on a power trip fucking it up. Glad ya made it through man. Nobody can take that 214 from ya. 👍👍👍
I’m still in and it’s fucking worse… nothing has changed fucking letting retard officers run entire units and we ( lower enlisted) get fucked cleaning their mess.
Every dollar spent on veteran's benefits is a dollar spent on recruiting. Every claim denied by the VA creates an anti-recruiter. Why join if the benefits are not really provided?
THANK YOU, Cappy, for FINALLY talking about this!!! (2:15) So tired of hypocritical conservative military service people totally fine with THEIR stuff paid for, yet when it comes to the REST of the country, it's the middle finger... The VA and the average soldier needs more support. So tired of all these billions flowing to the Military Industrial Complex...
@@williamyoung9401 and to be honest you would think with all those billions equipment would get better but nope it makes you wonder where all those billions actually go to probably to some seedy crack (redacted) and crack co-(redacted) for some high ranking officer and corporate executive or-(redacted) party
Back in the day, there was a pervasive myth of invincibility among the young. One thing I've noticed about young people nowadays, whether i's' growing up on the internet, with access to all the world's information at their fingerstips, or something else, a noticeable number of young people now don't subscribe to the myth of their own invincibility. They are more realistic about the fact that they aren't John Wayne and they don't have plot armor in real life. And that's tough, because without it, I don't know how you can do what you need to do in a warzone.
In 1985, I was a college senior, planning to join the military after graduation. My college friend, who disagreed with my goal, invited me to dinner at his family house. I met his father, a career Navy man. By the end of the evening, the father convinced me not to join any branch of the military.
I discovered my expectations didn't match reality, which is probably true of many would-be and actual military recruits. If you're going to potentially put your life on the line, you want yourself and your family to be treated better than "General Issue."
@@nj2mddude205 yeah, as former military you may always have to make drastic changes. Especially where you live, besides basic and AIT along with Airborne training I was 90% out of the country stationed in who knows where most of the time during my 7 years in. By the time I made a few friends and got accustomed to the country I would get shipped out somewhere else and had to start over again. Also missing every single major Holiday from family n friends took a toll for over 7 years. Obviously when it came time to re-enlist and I asked for guarantee time or duty station in the states they told me that they would see what could be done, but not include it in my contract. That’s pretty much saying your guaranteed to be overseas again in the furthest country from home. I said I’m done!
@@brwils3378 Yea, I'm guard so I haven't had to deal with that, but my unit is getting ready to deploy right as soon as I get out so they keep asking "Your going to re-up right?" And I'm like "We're probably heading back to a desert that on the tail end of my deployment (the last like 3 months) the average temperature during the day will be like 150 degrees, and I work in the kitchen so no, plus when I hurt my back l, back in basic and got a permanent back injury y'all didn't want to pay shit, and still declined my LOD so no I'm fucking done" they are finally understanding that I ain't coming back after I walk out those doors one last time.
I joined the army to escape absolute poverty, lack of opportunities or a promising future. I got 3 hots and a cot, a paycheck, skills training and my college degree paid for. I’ve met so many with similar stories. Yes the military can have toxic leadership but so can the civilian sector. If you decide to join, do your best job but squeeze every benefit you can get out of them because they will squeeze everything out of you.
Just like everything else in life, ‘You get out of it what you put into it.’ Whether high school, college, professional degrees, work, investments, etc. Unfortunately, toxic leadership is compounded by the Peter principle. However, absolutely NO civilian organization provides the camaraderie or close friendships that the military builds.
LOW Unemployment. When unemployment numbers go above 6% and hover there for longer than 6 months, the services will get their numbers of qualified candidates. When that number stays there for over a year and even increases a few points they will then drop bonuses and waivers for joining.
@@Lightning613 Have you worked at every job on the civilian sector to know that not a single one of them doesn’t build camaraderie? This has to be one of the farthest reaching takes I’ve seen on RUclips. This man has definitely drank the cool-aid.
Recruiting might be easier if veterans hadn't been treated as disposable for the past 70 years. Why do we cover all medical costs for millionare senators and house reps, but not the people who have been on the front line getting shot at to defend the country? How could anyone be surprised that the smart and capable young people who are wanted by the military look at the situation and opt out? They can make more money and have more free time with a regular job and a mediocre side hustle.
@Brian Daley as the descendant of 2 cavalleggero, a partisan, 1 chief medical Officer (italian on the side of the nazi), plus a few more i cant recall now, i am ashamed of your country just as much as mine, which doesnt even have the figure of the veteran, but at least our health system is much better (one of the best actually).
Not a vet but I work with them often in a medical capacity. Many are proud of their service and enjoy talking about the good old days. Others have ongoing health problems (want a ticket to a herniated back?), mental issues, families that fell apart and relationships ruined. It's important work, but also frustrating, boring, dangerous and then terrifying.
As a veteran, military life was tough and demanding. Recruiters need to be honest when trying to enlist new recruits. They need to stop sugar coating the military. Tell them the truth. The military is tough but can be rewarding.
When I joined the navy, I was proud to serve and felt I was doing something worthwhile. Fast forward almost to the end of my 6 year contract, and I hate the government more than I ever did before, hate my chain of command, and I feel like the whole thing is just for nothing. As far as the navy goes, we’re not trained to fight wars, we’re trained to pass inspections
My time on an amphib carrier in deck dept boiled down to a four year juvenile detention center sentence at hard labor, except I didn’t do anything wrong. Mind this me saying this as a tough, patriotic kid who earned the navy good conduct medal, not some snowflake shit bag. The way they mistreated us and threw us under the bus was deplorable.
I've heard that about the navy from other sources too. That it's so far behind the times it isn't funny. While the air force is modernizing, and putting its pride/tradition at the wayside to innovate and modernize, the Navy is stuck in the past...
2 reasons 1. They turn away possible recruits for small reasons. (I was turned away because of ADHD that was proven to not make any noticeable difference from the next) 2. People won't fight for a system that doesn't care about them. With veteran horror stories being the biggest reason for this
I have met some sailors that definitely make ADHD look like a risk, but honestly I don't think it was the adhd itself so much as that combined with a lack of morale and work ethic that even people without ADHD have. It's just that those who have ADHD or think they do, in addition to certain professional vices tend to not even try to not have it effect their work or (if they're particulary unaware of the situation) may even try to use their "special disposition" as an excuse for their short comings, and that can spread the impression that ADHD is an operational risk. From experiance, the military doesn't want to keep people out for unnecessary reasons, especially now, but there are reasons they have the filters they do. I know several sailors lready that have had to get out because their physical health got so bad they couldn't actually work with it being a medical risk, and one girl actually died in bootcamp just trying to pass the PRT bc her recruiter apparently didn't actually make sure she COULD run. She got rolled back so many times for failing just for her heart to give out once she finally made the time. The military just needs to be smart about how they handle rolling back filters, like having higher quality training that accomodates for people who lack the academic background that enables them to understand and pass A-school training as well keep up with qualifications afterward.
Wouldnt your adhd be perfect for mechanical work or guard post? seeing how focused or bored adhd ppl can get seeing any slight difference would be good right?
My dad was gun-ho on me enlisting right out of high school but he only served briefly. My uncle though was in Vietnam and when I got a chance to talk to him about it when I visited him for the summer, he left for a few minutes and then came back with two beers and told me to sit down. I never really knew why my uncle never talked about Vietnam until that day and to say what he told me shocked me was an understatement. I love him but it was something I never knew, he did say he would help me get to college in other ways and I did graduate in 2021. But I still respect that he was willing to be so open about his experience.
Your uncle probably saved your life, kept you from harms way, maintained a solid mind not affected by the fog and trauma of rich mens proxy wars to get rich. Your uncle did you a solid in having that talk and you are more than likely a much better man because of it.
The fact you don't go into detail about what you heard from your uncle is very scary in itself. I hope one day I can be as valuable to my nephews and nieces as your uncle was to you.
I was robbed at gunpoint and when the police officer who showed up refused to write out a police report because he thought I was a bum. But when I said I was an 100% disabled veteran, he said “so what,” and then he added, “who cares?” So draw your own conclusions.
It is to bad the military made you disabled. If you were not disabled you would have been able to fight off the perpetrators using the fight moves the military taught you.
Fought in Afghanistan. Saw how much they valued all of the sacrifices made by myself and my brothers last year. Now I discourage everyone from joining the military who's thinking about doing so because you are SERIOUSLY just a number and they don't care if you die or lose limb etc.
That's good to know. I am considering joining the Air Force as a pilot, but I do understand that the higher ups might not care about me. I'm considering joining because I love flying machines and I don't really like the idea of a traditional 9-5 job just yet. Nothing is set in stone, but it is something I'm researching.
@@justalpha9138Na officers will be just fine, they get treated 10x better than enlisted as soon as you join. Also depends what airframe you'll get to fly, heavies are better for your civilian career afterwards.
@@Technie87 Honestly, I'd love it if I got the F-35 as it is so freaking awesome, but I probably wouldn't mind flying almost anything that's given to me otherwise except for the Warthog. It's a beast of an aircraft, but not the sort of mission I'd be capable of carrying out. I don't want what happened to my dad to happen to me.
I find it ironic. My brother once tried to join the marines way back just before 2000. They actually wouldn't take him because he was flat foot. Then 9/11 happened. They called him back and he said "I went to college and I got a better job now. Never mind".
Wow, that was very selfish of your brother. Well, probably for the best. Many real men were available, they didn't need people like that. I was serving on submarines in 2001. If I hadn't joined yet, I would have joined that day. I'm center left btw. Biden 2024.
@@neutrino78x They wouldn't take him so he moved on. Is it selfish to seek another opportunity when one door has been slammed in your face? Should he have put his life on hold "just encase" Uncle Sam got desperate and was low on man power?
@@eviljoshy3402 "They wouldn't take him so he moved on. " That's not what you said at first. You sounded like he never considered the Armed Forces. "Should he have put his life on hold "just encase" Uncle Sam got desperate and was low on man power?" No, but you don't join the Armed Forces to get rich. You do it to serve your country. He could have put the other job aside and went to serve his country and go back to the civilian job later.
I was having a conversation with a group of fellow NCOs in 2016 and the conversation turned to would we advise our own kids to enlist. Out of 7 NCOs with 10+ years and multiple deployments each, the answer was a hard NO. Not one of us would have told our own children to join or their friends. This one of the major reasons recruitment is failing. The people in and getting out are the best recruiting tool and they arent on the side of kids joining.
@@comradep8519 I'm against it because I believe young adults can live a more meaningful and happy life without fighting offensive wars overseas. We have not fought a just war with an equal enemy for decades. Every war is with overwhelming military superiority, many times against the locals (civil war), branded as heroism, but actually exist to sell weapons and spend the nations treasure. Blood and treasure paid for profits and dividends in major arms companies, many having directly bought members of the senior leadership in military and government to give them more contracts. America is not under attack from the outside. We consistently brag about how large our navy and air force is. How our spending is bigger than the next x nations combined. I want my countrymen to live happy, peaceful lives. Bombing people across the ocean who don't even have an air force, does not reflect my values and cannot be called "brave".
Do you think that the long term plan of the Globolist may have been to bring us to this point. Exhaust our Military with continuous war under horrible internal conditions. Diminishing our loyalties to our Sovereignty and exhausting us psychologically. If we have no will to fight. We are easily manipulated by Globalist to do there bidding. Even when it's against our own Country. The plan for the NWO seems to be playing out. The Enemy is within and most don't realize it. NWO= No Constitution = No Bill of Rights = No Sovereignty =No Country
@@centrist3684 I'm European, many people here are wondering when will it stop, because our governments are following the same policy just like dogs following a ball, Europe is about to collapse, your biggest ally, soon you'll have to deal with this too. I often respond to people arguing about Americans : "they are sick but under treatment" and your comment just proved that. Please hurry to fix your problems with the ennemy from inside because it is destroying a lot of stuff abroad even "allies".
McDonald's: "We have touch screens to take your orders and are working on robots to make the food." Amazon: "We have robots that retrieve your items and scan to send to the proper address." Military: "We need more human meat for the slaughter machine!"
Reasons History class, homeless veterans, untrustworthy politicians, piss poor payment, Terrible leadership and an ocean of organization issues and logistical nightmares. Also when you live in a country that doesn't give a damn about you as a lower or middle-class person why the hell would you be willing to die for it. Just remember what happened to small businesses in the pandemic versus big businesses who suckled off the government despite already being well off enough to cushion the blow. Remember people in power need servants far more than the servants need people in power.
Ask any of us vets who joined in the early 2000s and stayed till at least the mid 2010s and saw all rampant stupidity, abuse, incompetency and foolishness juxtaposed against the lessons on loyalty,duty, honor and friendship and growth only to leave the service jaded. I'm grateful for the opportunity the military gave me, the life lessons that helped make me who I am today. At the same time reality of the VA and hit and miss Veteran services post services and lack of mental health and support is a hard pill to swallow. Not to mention I've lost 26 friends to suicide over the lasts 8 years and our children who are now old enough to join and fight have watched it all and want no part of it. The government should focus on better, benefits, and evaluating leadership why espirts de corps has gone to shit.
Been on the Defense contractor side. The level of waste and meetings on how to get the government to pay for something was insane. Yet, the company had all the certs and there was so much paperwork to prevent "waste". I've seen thousands of dollars worth of labor in meetings over a $10 part.
Joined in 2006. I remember when they let the lgbtcdefg crowd in. Major called a briefing, and I did a lot of push ups. "alright men, they let the g@ys in, just because your flaming doesn't mean the rest of us need to feel the heat". I lost it in the middle of the brief and couldn't compose myself. I was one of the last all male training graduates. Before stress cards and tampons were issued.
Considering that the military is an extension of the government, lack of faith in the political leadership that is responsible for directing the military would be a strong factor.
This right here. Faith in institutions is at an all time low. The military being one of the largest institutions and relying on velenteers would feel it the most.
Which is specially true for military. Since as serving active oath sworn military person... Government has A LOT of power over you. They can send you to war, whether you agree with it or not. Only thing limiting it is national policy, laws and politicians. Soldier doesn't get to say "I dislike this war". It is called desertion. As such.... If people don't trust on leadership to not endanger them needlesly and only send them when it is utmost necessary and other less risky options have been ruled out, well why would one volunteer? Frankly the policy on this should be clear and transparent, but USA keeps it intentional vague to have flexibility. It gives negotiating leverage internationally. Do you agree to X country Y or maybe we should think about sending the marines? Many country would fold just on hint of "they might".... Since USA has no clear military force use policy in such as to count "is that threat real". Since the policy what there is contains a catch all "USA retains right to use military force to protect national interests"..... Which can mean anything the politicians in power at any given moment want it to mean. For example the part about "US leadership disagrees with policy of conscription". More like the US leadership learned the hard way, the population disagrees with that policy. Since conscription is like that signing up voluntarily trust, but upped to thousand. Since you don't get to choose. It takes a lot of trust in at leadership and political institutions in democratic non oppressive country from the population to agree to conscription. In opressive country, well you don't get a say. Hence why many oppressive regimes can use conscription. It is just another form of oppression population can't do anything about without full revolt. In democratic conscription country? One has to really really convince and demonstrate to the population, this is why we have to do this, this is how way are going to do it, we will take this seriously, we will take care of the young conscripts entrusted to our command and so on. Otherwise the population would quickly vote out politicians or hold referendum to dismantly conscription. USA didn't choose to end conscription by politicians. Heck politicians loved draft, since it gave lot of troops easily..... Until battle field casualties numbers among draftees from Vietnam started coming back, the film from Vietnam came back and also people started thinking "Exactly why are Draftees fighting in Vietnam". Conscription ended in USA, since one pretty much can't use democratic conscript forces for offensive or interventive war without very very good political or ideological backing. Which is why many of the conscription forces still existing in democratic countries are Defence Forces. Outright in name and law. Country agrees to conscription, but both by culture, law and constitution it is made clear "conscripted forces can only be used for national defence purposes". Country doesn't have "armed forces" or "military". It has "defence forces" and for those defence forces people are willing to submit to conscription. Since they know they will be called up only on utmost moment of need and not just for "we want to protect our national INTERESTs" So given USA active foreign military policy..... They just even couldn't use draftees. Same would happen as happened in Vietnam. Same happened as happened to Soviet Union due to Soviet-Afghan war. Mothers and fathers of conscripts/draftees would revolt and hell hath no fury over mother scorned. Draft dodging galore would happen as happened during Vietnam and frankly as personal opinion... rightly so. So yeah. Willingness to submit to the deprivation of rights that comes under military discipline very much depends on "how much do you trust the people at the helm of chain of command and with the power to decide on war and peace". Which frankly is as it should be. The conclusion shouldn't be "there is something wrong with the young people, since they aren't signing up for anymore". It should be "what is wrong with our military, defence and foreign policy, since young people are not willing to sign up as much".
I'm a veteran 4 reasons why I shouldn't have joined the military: 1. PTSD, it will affect you when you get out, it sucks and makes living harder 2. Miskept promises, the Army says they are going to do everything to make you successful but really they just use you for their ends 3. A discharge can disqualify you from opportunities like reenlistment in other military branches 4. Sacrificing your life for elites, billionaires, politicians, who've never been in the trenches
When I was in basic training I saw a recruit be dishonourably discharged. What had he done? He'd believed the captain in charge of his barracks about 'my door is always open.' He wrote a letter complaining about how he was being treated, how it wasn't what he'd been led to expect. Fine, so maybe he wasn't a good fit from the start. However, to dishonourably discharge him told every other recruit to trust they would be screwed over.
Number 4 really hits, I’m not a vet but I have my sister who’s in there, who trying to leave, and plenty of people I know who have came and left disappointed. Those people, the billionaires, politicians, and other people at the top, have everything they could ask for. Yet they send you off to die, to later discard you, and leave you with nothing for your efforts, broken and betrayed. Why die for a politician who doesn’t deserve it ,and wouldn’t even toss you a single dollar if you needed it? Why put your body through so much pain and rigorous training when the who you are trying to protect, don’t care for their own workers, their own “rats,” their own soldiers, all of those people under them who do way more work and actually care for others? Why ruin your mind, go out to return with PTSD that will haunt your life, if those people who enough money to solve all the worlds problems won’t even pitch in for your therapy? The answer is simple, just don’t at this point. These men and women at the top are greedy, heartless, and lost in their own self obsession. They forgot that we are human and have needs and desires as well. Once it bites them in the back there is a slim chance they will start giving instead of only receiving . Sorry this got a little long, there are so many problems in the USA that the government should be spending more time and money to fix. But the people in power don’t care about the country, they care about themselves. Gets me goin every time. God bless you man and I hope your doing alright. Have a good one 🫶🏾❤️🫶🏾
My mother had to personally deal with 2 and 3. She was lucky enough to get a job with health benefits when she got home while my grandparents looked after me and my sister while she was gone.
PTSD is quite an issue. A friend of mine was in the army and was involved in an explosion due to an accident. He saw his friend loosing a leg and he got survivors guilt. Eventually he got discharged. He complained that getting support wasn’t easy and some soldiers used to pick on him for having panic attacks. What’s sad is he genuinely hated leaving the army and it made him feel even worst. There are many veterans who deserve support and PTSD should stop being a stigma.
PTSD is not just physical,it can also be mental and emotional,such as verbal abuse and coersion.Therte is no reason to treat human beings like they have a tail on them by using rank,etc.
Each of the reasons you discussed in the video play a part in overall recruitment struggle, but the main answer is rather simple: more people are waking up to the fact that serving in the armed forces is no longer a means of serving your country, but rather serving the economic interests of major corporations and politicians who don't care about you.
Yup, this right here. I got into the Marines before 9/11 happened, by the time I was going into Iraq amongst the first units to enter the country, I had come to the realization that I wasn't serving my country, just some spoiled trust-fund babies in D.C.'s financial interests. What really makes my blood boil is hearing Dick Cheney babble about everything "we accomplished over there"; that fat piece of garbage didn't accomplish a damn thing other than getting even richer off the sacrifices of others.
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Reasons NOT TO enlist: - Group punishment for one's mistakes. - Immense stress. - Physically demanding (lots of punishments, tasks, high-intensity training). - Restriction of movement & freedom. - Living far from home. - Once joined, you cannot quit like many civilians job. Doing so can lead to legal consequences (the most important). - Hazing & abusing (mostly by senior soldiers). - Abuse of power/authority (notable among high-ranking COs). - The military involves doing risky, dangerous, hazardous jobs and warfare. - Exposure to violence. - Being told to do things that u don't like, not familiar with. If you have understood the military thoroughly and be passionate about it, then joining is OK; otherwise, DO NOT. This is a matter of life decision.
Growing up in the 2000s every service member I've encountered has told me nothing but horror stories about the command, the mission, and how they take care of you afterwards. Sure as hell didn't want to risk my life after hearing all of that for 20 years
That last one is a major one. We just saw that John Stewart had to help strong arm the republicans to pass a package that would give aid to veterans. We’ve seen for at least the last two decades how the US treats it’s vets and it hasn’t been good. Poor mental health aid and just poor aid in general. Healthcare. Job acquisitions. The list goes one. Not to mention the culture of treating you like trash when you decide it’s time to get out. They’re your buddy until you want to move on. Then they spit on you. Im amazed anyone signs up to be real. Im not sure why they’re so against conscription. Personally I think everyone should have to do two year mandatory service. America would be a better place for it.
@@serronserron1320 It took over 2 decades for Vietnam veterans to get the treatment they deserved and the military and the VA still tries to short change them.
Same with me in the 1980s. My best friend was a grade above me and went in after he graduated. He was telling me horror stories of how stupid some of the people in charge were. There were still people in the military then who had been drafted during Vietnam and decided to stay in after the war because they were too dumb to hold a job outside of the military. I heard stories of sergeants who couldn't read or write, same sergeants would take credit for other peoples work, physical abuse(which would be fine as long as you could fight back without ending up in the brig), etc. I was thinking that there was no way in hell I was going to go in under someone that stupid because it could get me killed if we ever went to war. I was planning on going to college and possibly going in as an officer but ended up dropping out of college and getting into computers so oh well. They got two of my brothers, one's a Colonel in the Army and another is a Chief Petty Officer in the Navy, as well as a cousin who was in the Marines. They all got sent to either Iraq, Afghanistan, or both like my brother the Colonel. Me and my smart brother and cousin went into the Information Technology field, the rest of my brothers and cousin went into the military.
I'll say one thing from having served: Lack of quality leadership is a MAJOR issue. This video only talks about half of the problem, the other half being the fact that retention rates are also at an all-time low.
It depends on if you have skilled labor. Plus most people that I know out of high school including myself were able to work up to about 14 starting which is around 28k. Not nearly as much but it's not as low as people say it is. Usually the jobs that are paying less than that. No one ever really works at but teenagers. I don't know a single person who makes under 12. And our minimum wage is still $7.25 in this state PA. But if you have skilled labor like an EMT welding construction trades, a few other things at the high school did. There's a few factories that you can make close to 17. Which is ridiculous compared to how much people made in those 40 years ago. You're not going to support a family on 17 or buy a house but. It's also an average because some states have an incredibly high minimum wage like Washington and California. I know New York does. So that raises the average. It doesn't mean they're actually better off. It just means that it raises the middle of the chart.
One of the problems of re-enlistment is how people are treated like crap once they even get out of bootcamp. OFTEN people in the military come to feel like they volunteered for a prison sentence and can't wait to get out. Obviously, the military is not going to be easy. But I don't have time to tell many stories of men and women being unnecessarily harassed, disrespected and treated unfairly while they serve.
I served 12 years but did not see any action. After I separated in 92, the US military was turned into the worlds police force. Also, people see how veterans are treated at any number of VA clinics or hospitals. Our men and women serve honorably but our government breaks its promises. Finally, look at the suicide numbers in the military, very high with little or no assistance.
Currently in the Army and counting down the days of getting out. I used to be very gung ho about joining the military. I wanted to serve 20+ years and work my way up the ranks. And while i can say my patriotism and love for my country is still in me, my love for the military and trust in the leadership that run it is long gone. Upon reflecting on why my current attitude is like this ive reached a conclusion that its because America has changed vastly. And much of it for the worst. I grew up being inspired by stories of soldiers in past wars and all the things they accomplished. Lets face it America doesnt win wars anymore. We are more likely to lose them. Our politicians foolishly meddle in world affairs way too much and get us in needless conflicts and tossing away our lives and never ever giving a shit. Thats right. Its our politicians and our government that has made me dislike the military. And i count higher ranking military officials as politicians. This video explains the reasons fairly well but there is much more im afraid.
Personally, the two biggest reasons why we don't win wars like we used to is that the nature of those we have fought lately has changed dramatically, it is no longer against legitimate countries and militaries but against terrorists that hide amongst civilians, which is not helped by the fact that the people of places like Afghanistan and many other places do not see themselves as a single people, they value tribal and ethnic ties over all else, they cannot be helped, and two is that we have not fought to win since World War II, we could have and should have trampled all over north vietnam, as in bombed Hanoi to smithereens and every other legitimate target.
Sad but true. America hasn't really fought to win a war (or at least reach a good peace) since the Korean War, with the 1991 Persian Gulf War being one possible exception. It's probably a good thing South Korea and Kuwait had their crises when they did, I don't know if our govt and commanders would save them today. There's a reason Russia and China feel emboldened, they sense weakness and lack of will. America is in deep, DEEP trouble.
I served almost 8 years active duty in the marine corps and just got out a month ago. One of the big reasons I didn’t re-enlist is because I lost my purpose staying in. With how society is in the US lately got a lot of service members questioning why they’re even serving. I get it. We signed a contract. We knew what we were getting into. There’s a lot more to the story, but this is just one of my reasons.
you're referring to the lgbtQ+ and the affirmative action, critical race theory crap? Or are you referring to the fat, lazy population? Just curious. Or what else?
I stepped on the yellow footprints in the beginning of 2017 and since then the nation has become divided and in a very poor state, today’s America isn’t the same America when I first went in
@Young Ay Your deluded as shit, not everything in the Military is centered around killing, you can become a chef, engineer, medic or a pilot there are multiple jobs in the Military, if you seriously think all the Military does is "mowing down villagers" you need to get your brain checked - Fellow 16 year old in the Philippines
They make you get the covid vaccine and the forever boosters, too? As annoying as it might be by now, I still thank you for your service. I'm sure it gets tiring hearing/ reading it.
@Young Ay less than 1 percent of the military ever discharge a weapon in a combat situation so that is a damn near guarantee you wouldn't be doing that
I was in the top 10% of ASVAB scores at 18 almost a decade ago... I didn't enlist for the following reasons: 1. Favoritism is out of control 2. Recruits are generally treated like trash with no reguard for their mental health 3. Leadership is a bad joke 4. I had no interest in defending American 'interests' namily big oil and potentially killing people over that. 5. Poor pay 7. Rapidly dropping # of benefits once I got out. 8. Sexual assult is still rampent (All of these reasons provided to me by Veterans when I asked for advice)
Being online, I have talked with a lot of people who are currently in the armed forces. All of them say the same thing. Every single one regrets joining up, and their ages range from 20-26. On youtube i see many veterans tell stories of how incompetent their superiors are. Patriotism died when the whole world went online. My grandfather served in Vietnam and when i mentioned the possibility of joining up his face went pale. For being the greatest economic power, and spending so much on our armed forces we treat them like garbage. A Patriot defends their countries ideals not their government’s.
My dad served in Vietnam purple heart bronze star. When I wanted to join up I've never seen my father's attitude switch so fast and want nothing to do with it and pretty much forbid it.
@@seanlanglois8620 He knows that his son could die because of some corrupt political game which only goal is to serve war economy not freedom or anything good. Nowdays its so dirty politics and morale is very low for a good reason.
@@seanlanglois8620 Because he knows that the military is equivalent to the mafia and doesn't want his son to end up being a criminals working for other criminals (politicians)
i regret the army so much. I loved the army up until 2020. Watchin afghan fall, watching the gay woke commercials, and being forced to be vaccinated and still wear a mask 24/7 were textbook reasons why i regret ever putting on the ocp uniform. Ever
I think a lot of us who served are now advising our kids not to. When I was an NCO, one of my soldiers was from a family with a long history of service. His mother, father, sister, and brother all served. He and his brother both self terminated. Now a family with a history of service has implemented a policy of discouraging service. I was in the Army from 2001 to 2007. I did not feel well served or supported by the systems that were built to keep us mentally and physically healthy. I also felt that, by and large, leadership ranged from incompetent to willfully malicious, with rare exceptions. Most of my friends who stayed in say it’s only gotten worse. I will not be encouraging my kids to join.
That's a depressing story, but this is something that is rarely addressed. You always hear about PTSD but you never hear about the young Americans who sign up, find out they were totally lied to and feel zero achievement when they realize their entire life goal was a sham, and end up harming themselves and/or others. Almost every single veteran I've met, whether co-worker or friend, has more than one account where they witnessed, walked in on, or otherwise heard about men in their company who took their own lives without ever being deployed anywhere. The war machine has taken over and the new generation of young Americans who would have likely served are slowly realizing that enlistment isn't worth it.
Well, that's what happens when good people go around the world to fulfill some psychopaths wishes to maim and murder as much as they can with no real nor honest justification to do so. Also, there's a lot Americans have to say for their soldiers feeling bad about the things they had to "go through", but have you ever EVER tried to understand, realize, fathom, empathize with the horrors your government spreads around the world? Especially to the most vulnerable, poor, miserable souls already suffering in their day to day? Has any body in the American political or other decision making body ever been able to appreciate that it's not just American lives that matter? Or is the rest of the world just a barbaric hoard of animals to bomb and hunt as the industrial military complex sees fun to do? It's ironic how much animal lives matter to so many Americans when it comes to treating them ethically but where is the morality when they force their own general public to destroy nations, societies; other human beings for the whims and wishes of a select few elite and their coffers? Just a little to think about. And may be a love letter for the American people to implode as a society so that may be the rest of the world can cooperate with each other and pull each other out of the economic, environmental and ethical mess we are in and hopefully take a breather from your viles and vices. *Fingers crossed but won't be holding my breath*
@@thevashfan12392 that's quite cowardly, wouldn't you say? When it's time to say dumb mottos and slogans as part of the army guys make a whole show for it, but when it's time to actually talk about what a horror it is and how vital it is to come up with some other alternative, being silent seems like the thing to do? No one fights off their demons alone. The only way I know to overcome them is to actually serve other people who deserve it. Not bs psychopathic governments and their bottle feeders. Care for the people and life forms no one cares for. That's the only thing that makes sense any more.
Most of my platoon mates and I got out for the same reasons. Toxic leadership, lack of opportunity to go to elite schools, being used as free labor for menial tasks under the guise of "readiness", outdated training and harmful equipment (see POS IOTV), and generally being regarded as incompetent for being a private with little training because our leaders were too lazy to do any real training other than tired old battle drills and scripted field problems. The result, promising young soldiers who could have done great things in the organization opted for a civilian career instead. Most, including myself, are now well paid tech workers or tradesmen living a good life. Something that we didn't see as possible in the army. I think NCO's and higher leadership need to remember that it's an all volunteer force so you have to show soldiers that they made a good choice and show them a future in the organization, because while we may have signed a contract, there ain't shit keeping us from leaving.
Young people want to learn 3 thing at a high level . Follow instructions , work with others , complete a assignment . Yelling at a service person gets a little tiring . Do service personal have the communication skills to achieve this . All the best .
I've been a teacher for 20 years and a lot of the things folks are saying here can be said about the education system, too. When leaders are chosen according to a check list of hoops that they've jumped through, you will often have people in those positions who couldn't lead anyone out of a wet paper bag. My sincere appreciation to all the vets out there.
Love how leadership asks, “why are our numbers so low for reenlistment?” Then never look at themselves but blame the economy doing better. Botched bonuses and pay issues that never get properly resolved Poor morale Micromanaging to the extend that a professional Soldier is no more than a child in daycare. Let’s not forget the absolute shitty mental/physical medical help.
'Micromanaging to the extend that a professional Soldier is no more than a child in daycare.'...... Damn you hit it man..... They are petrified you will somehow make them look bad... Sad!
My commander blamed congress. My commander also flirted with his secretary while his wife took care of his kids at home. He also ignored issues and blamed his people instead of accepting any accountability. But sure, congress is the issue (and i’m no fan of congress).
Because the boot licking military leadership never pushes back on the politically correct BS the politicians shove at them. They're all so lickspittle it doesn't matter how it impacts force readiness they're all just "yes sir, yes sir, three bags full sir!"
when I was in secondary school (highschool) I wanted to be a Royal Marine (still do), but after watching the fall of Afghanistan in 2021, just before I was going to sign up, I lost my confidence in the British and American Military. The shear amount of negligence from the top ruined my idea of what the military stands for and what they are capable of. It made me rethink my plans, and so now I'm going to university next month, and I'm hoping that the military will regain my trust by the time I graduate (4 years), otherwise I might never join.
I would recommend looking into Intelligence Government Agencies (FBI, CIA, Homeland Security etc.) I suppose for you it would MI6? Still get to defend the country, just differently.
@@xavierperez6739 MI6 (and other such agencies) have fluency in multiple languages as part of the job requirements and unless you're specifically going for language studies in the UK you aren't passing that goal on your own
I did my university course with a Royal Marine, I came to uni one day with a Lemon Curd sandwich. The man threatened to beat me to death with it if I did it again. Funny as fuck.
I was a fat E-4 for 3 years straight. All of a sudden they change the pt test and said you can only stay an E-4 specialist for so long and then you have to move up in rank or get out. All I’m gonna say is they want athletic kids who aim to be leaders. Plus, they want to inject you with all kinds of shots, because you’re a number to them, a goddamn guinea pig. I’m glad recruiters are having a hard time; they can’t feed that bullshit they spout to anyone that wants to listen.
The shots are mostly things that you will have already had in your life anyway (standard immunizations that you have to have as a precondition for attending school), with the exception of smallpox, which nobody in the normal world ever gets anymore (on account of smallpox no longer existing).
I was a member of the National Guard way back when. I went on active duty, ostensibly for six months of training (180 days) but was released back to my home unit in 178 days. I thought this was great until, as a company clerk, I came across a regulation stating that a soldier must serve a minimum of 180 consecutive days on active duty in order to be eligible for veterans' benefits. I talked to many of the members of my battalion and, guess what? Every one of them was released from active duty in 178 days, which meant none of us were eligible for veterans' benefits. That is one reason almost no guardsmen ever re-enlist when their six years of service is completed.
Obviously serving in the national guard isn't comparable to working in a warehouse (unless I'm wrong) but your experience sounds eerily similar to managers scheduling their workers for 39 hours a week as to not have to give them full time benefits.
@@drakor98 So you all got no clue why the Military cant recruit well? People learn about the Military and then hate it. They google War-Crimwes and more importantly: they watch videos like "Drone-Strikes?!" by 'Some More News' and "The US doesnt meddle in Foreign Affairs" by 'Second Thought'.
@@hueyrotorhead I have a friend served in the Marine Corp reserves. I went with with him to the VA he was told he didn't serve enough time and isn't eligible for benefits. We looked up his records I don't recall how ma y months he served but it wasn't enough to get VA benefits.
Heinlein said it best when making the case for eliminating the draft in Starship Troopers: if you can't find enough volunteers willing to fight for your country, then your country isn't worth fighting for
There are exceptions imo. Regardless of what you're doing you're never going to get the massive % of the population required to join the military at some point that you might need as a small country facing a giant on home turf. I'm sure the amount of willing soldiers rose a lot in Finland in 1939 when the Soviets came knocking, but raw recruits with a gun are barely any good even in defensive operations and even bare minimum training takes time. But since Finland had a lot of veterans from it's civil war and conscription they could get somewhat trained soldiers in larger numbers than normal. Finland before the intensification of the Ukrainian war had a reserve large enough to match the Russian standing army from a country slightly over 5m. The US fundamentally is pretty much impossible to invade and is only somewhat considering conscription for imperialistic ambitions though.
can you give me one example in the last 50 years of America fighting an existential threat of another power invading our sovereign territory@@Anonymous-zu7dh
Former Submariner here. I wish I could have 5 years of my life back. The modern military is a soulless corporate machine to serve under. Woke culture sounds like a cop out but makes you feel less like a warrior dealing with real threats and more like an office worker with a toxic HR representative
Perhaps stop having the likes of General Milley and Llyod Austin demonizing white males for political points. Who wants to join an organization where your career could end overnight with an allegation of misconduct and a staff that sees you as expendable and not worth fighting for?
The HR Karenocracy, in public, private and military life, is the foundation of all "woke" culture. Sexually unfulfilled middle aged cat ladies are currently running the empire and it shows.
At least when dealing with toxic woke culture your not as likely to be shot at, be given PTSD, or end up injured in a training accident. If you want to serve join the police or fire department or the medical field. The hours are generally better then being deployed for months, you can quit whenever you want if it's too much so long as they aren't short handed or something, and your not as likely to meet a terrible end as only a small number of cases, accidents or fire's are like what you see in the movies thank goodness.
When I, an Electrical Helper/Apprentice has an income of $30k at entry level. I asked my Marines co-worker who makes a bit more than me as a higher level Electrical Apprentice, how much he was being paid as an Infantrymen. He told me he had a salary of $22,000 yearly, because the military paid for food and housing which he had to share and wasn’t really housing it was barracks. That’s really low pay, an Infantrymen in the MARINES! Gets paid $8k-$12k less than me yet they have a more dangerous and demanding job?! That’s crazy and from that, I definitely said that explains why no one wants to join.
Well, it's pay and benefits. Sure, there are Barracks, but most today isn't a whole lot different than college dorms and there is no rent or utilities to pay for, unless you want to live out on the economy. When he said his pay, was he talking about base pay or total pay? There are a LOT of various pays servicemen can be qualifies for. Meals are generally free or low cost - depending, all medical, dental and optical is free, so are gyms, pools etc. discounted movies on a lot of bases, commissaries and to a point, exchanges have discounted prices and no sales tax - in short, it's the benefits that evens that score. Then add others like military discounts, military credit unions and USAA.
Honestly, between that, pretending that it never happened at all, plus all the bullshit that I was dealing with in Korea, let’s just say I had enough of the army and wasn’t re-enlisting when they asked
Another thing that happened in the start of 2021 was the fall of Kabul. You can’t blame young people for being distrustful about the army and it’s mission after a 20 year war ended in such a catastrophic failure. People see that and think “why did you risk your life for nothing”?
who says it was for nothing? you got paid, you got a free degree, you got job training, you're showing your patriotism, joining the service is a job, not a servitude, doesn't matter where they send you, it's still just a job with risks no matter what failures the job will have
@@mmoarchives2542 I think we spent a lot of lives and money on that “attempted control” for absolutely no value. I’m not complaining about “showing your patriotism” but there’s other ways to “show patriotism” other than trying and failing to maintain control over Afghanistan. It was pointless. And yeah they pay for your degree but I mean… in most countries they pay for your degree even if you don’t join the army? So the army isn’t even a necessary part of that?
@@mmoarchives2542 The USA is such a bozo country and your comment proves it lmao. Imagine going overseas to potentially die, making life worse for the people whose country you are actively occupying so billionaires can make a buck and then justifying it by saying you get a degree and money and by calling it “”patriotism””. How about taking some of the money from the military (which is obviously being wasted) and using it to fix up your broken public education and healthcare system? But noooo then you won’t be able to police other countries
The fact that I made my entire life's goal and purpose for the entirety of my childhood and adulthood revolve around joining the military, only to get out after just under 4 years and not look back should tell you something. I was *literally* GI Joe as a teen and my entire persona was basically joining the military. I was a total dork obviously, but the fact remains that outside the Infantry, what the Army is becoming is... bad.
@@sol9603 I appreciate you. I’m over it now, it was a very difficult time, but luckily I got 100% from the VA along with my friends, our unit was investigated by the SGM of the Army of abuse of troops, AngryCops actually made 2 videos about it. Best group of guys I ever worked with, but the worst fucking leadership imaginable. On the level of coming back from the field and instead of letting guys go home to their families after cleanup, our CO made them sleep outside the building on the grass until almost 5PM the next day.
Another big reason. Afghanistan. It's abandonment with the billions of dollars worth of weapons left there exposed as fact what Major General Smedley Butler said., "War is a racket". All those wasted lives on all sides. Such shame, such humiliation.
I'm a recently retired(2020) Navy Fire Control. I think the biggest hindrance in recruitment is the military not clearing up misconceptions of the military. I didn't get sent to s ship straight out of recruitment training. Instead, I got sent to a school to learn electronics, radar principles and theory, and troubleshooting. I have not seen any commercials touting specialty field available in any branch that might attract those looking for job experience and education. Aircraft Mechanics, IT, Gas Turbine Techs...sell the jobs and those wanting to work will come
As a corpsman, We give wayyyy too many folks a view of the navy that is “either/or” instead of being honest. I remember a recruit telling me when I was at the swim test unit that he had a contract to become a SARC (he genuinely believed this because they threw him in with the HSLD kids) and of course he just had an HM contract. He didn’t even get orders to go to BRC…because they needed SO IDC’s at that moment. Ended up at Great Lakes which I am sure was depressing.
The royal Dutch military has been doing exactly this the last year... Advertising the military as a small civilization needing their own cooks, IT-specialists, mechanics, electricians, logistical planners, you name it. And they've been targeting all young people heavily with social media ads, right where the youth is at... It certainly changed my mind about the military. And I would definitely enlist because of that ad campaign if I wouldn't value my life so much. It takes courage to place the values of your country and the lives who live within it, above your own life... (Edit) here's one of those ads, for example: ruclips.net/video/-tGiXltUXKI/видео.html
Retired in 2020. The training tanked while I was in. Early 2000’s we spent a ton of time training. Get thru all the schools get to your boat and then the training really begins. By 2019 contractors did most of the troubleshooting and repairs. Sailors cleaned and learned about LGBT issues. I am so glad to be out of that shit show. Also changes to the retirement system means a mid career sailor can take their 401k and walk. That pension kept me around a number of times.
My dad recently retired from a 20 year career in the Marines. Per his contract, he was supposed to get free healthcare and college for the rest of his life for signing up for a minimum of 2 years of service. Also those same benefits would be given to his wife and kids after a minimum of 4 years. After 20-ish years of military service, he's the only one getting those benefits because he initially signed up for 3 years and 11 months. Despite 20 total years, that initial enlistment was a month short so me and my siblings get nothing. My parents never saved up for college or anything because they were relying on my family getting my dad's veteran benefits so that screwed us all financially. I've talked to other military members (current and former) and they all tell that this kind of loophole is a fairly common thing for the military. When an organization chews its members up and spits them out like that, then my opinion is that they have no right to wonder why more people aren't signing up. If I had ever considered enlisting, that 3-year-11-month thing would've convinced me not to. They'll spend $1.6 billion on recruiting campaigns but skimp out on the promises they've made to people that have already recruited and served their time.
@@anthonylombardi4168 I’m not too sure tbh I’m not in the service for the education nor do I care, im just doing my four years and getting out So I can’t “shoe” you that 😂 💀
@@raularellano297 then why did you post that! Lol. I am retired from the Army. In no way is there a program that you sign for that does that. You can transfer your gi bill post 911 to kids and spouse There is voc rehab from the VA if you qualify. And there is scholarships depending on states. As well as free college for vets states depending. And for spouse and kids depending on vets status. But no program from the Army itself that I am aware of.
Everyone is missing the root cause. "Only 23% of Gen Z are actually ELIGIBLE to join the military." Why? Because: can't pass ASVAB or officer testing, out of shape/can't pass military fitness requirements, anxiety/depression, drugs, can't receive security clearance, and medical issues. Military software now flags more recruits due to medical issues. Bottom line: Movies and money aren't going to help if Gen Z is too lazy and not smart enough to make the cut in order to join. Most of them still live at home and have no inclination to assert independence from their parents. This is a parenting issue and not to mention family heritage of serving has all but died.
That’s how I ended getting OTH during Boot Camp, my Sargent was a bøøtlicker and very Far Right. The reason why he hated me was cause(get this) I was watching Cartoons Ed Edd n Eddy, he demanded to change it to some Duck Dynasty or Ted Nugent. I was mistreated both verbal and physical assaulted, and he made death threats. After getting a recording and showing it to an officer and the MPs, he got deranked and arrested. I wouldn’t call it PTSD but I still have nightmares and flashbacks during that time in the marines. Also a hatred towards the Right-Wings.
I got an undergrad degree, went to work in ESL 20yrs ago in South Korea, hung out with the soldiers. Every night in Seoul (after drinks) I would hear from the enlisted boys "I should have just been an English teacher." Our quality of life was far better (we didn't have a curfew -- and seriously, curfew for adults?). Got a master's later on, went to work in the Middle East (as a civilian DoD contractor). In Bahrain, hung out with soldiers. Every night, after buying them a drink, after they heard what our salaries were as contractors "Damn I should have just been a civilian contractor". Our quality of life was far better, our salary was 3-5x theirs, and we didn't have a curfew. I'm only telling you what I hear from the soldiers themselves. Being treated like an adult child while being sent to the other side of the world to defend "allies" is sh*t. Ask anyone who served in Iraq or Afghanistan if they felt hat anything they did actually mattered. And the horror stories these guys tell about getting screwed over... At no point "defending your country" should mean "shipped to bumble-f*ck-istan" in 125F to fight a war with tribal illiterate savages.
I am a Desert Storm Marine vet. My children followed in my footsteps and let me tell you the military is giving them hell. I raised my children to be responsible and patriotic and they actually looked forward to joining the marines. My daughter is constantly being threatened by her command to be kicked out because of her weight. My daughter works out and packs good muscle mass for a female. She has a high pft but to the military they don't care. She's not fat but because of the infamous BMI, they say she is though it's obvious she's a gym rat. The way she talks she sounds like she has PTSD dealing with the toxic leadership. She and my son can't wait until there term is up. So as long as the military conducts business like they are now, there will be no military in the future. And good luck on mandatory service. These younger generations would rather go to jail than join and that's says something. Things definitely have to change.
Rather go to jail? When I graduated high school, I contacted an Army recruiter... Then I did some basic math and realized sticking with, and becoming a manager, at a retail job would pay me better... And I wouldnt be being shot at either. I guess I'm unpatriotic. Lol
I have an uncle who did 2 tours in Vietnam, has a body full of Agent Orange and several diseases related to AO. The VA has been denying any of those diseases are service related for at least 40 years. A friend was seriously injured in the Marine Barracks bombing in Beirut. He suffers from PTSD, and the psych doctor he went to see at the VA told him to stop being a pussy. My cousin's youngest son did 2 tours in Afghanistan, had a bunch of emotional issues, was again told by another psych doctor to man up. He committed suicide. I enlisted in the Air Force in 1974, 3 weeks into basic I started to get severe abdominal pains. Was told I was a pussy and was not going to get out of PT. I was bent over double, my TI insisted I do pushups. 3rd pushup my appendix burst. A month in the hospital, I was given a ticket home and an honorable discharge. My TI suffered no consequences. Who in their right mind would volunteer?
@James Gartland “James” account is FAKE. He’s a paid troll from Russia who posts LIES about American servicemen he’s never met. His objective is to make the U.S. military look bad, but we caught you in your lies, Commie Comrade.
Honestly, with over 20 years at war, the current pool of enlistees are completely divorced from the reason GWOT is even a thing. I've been active for over 18 years in some of the most deployed units in the Army and served as a recruiter during the Surge, where I saw a steady disenfranchisement with U.S. foreign policy amongst the general population. The fact is that the people who are still driven to fight the war are those carry overs who have been personally affected by enemy combatants in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, and other DTAAC/ODTAAC areas. There's not a definative mission for the military to measure success against and the perception is that by joining now, you're submitting yourself to the meat grinder of forever war.
Not just the meat grinder of a forever war, but a meat grinder forever war that is only going to benefit the selected officials with ties to arms manufactures. Like Liz Cheney :D
that was rumsfeld's mess, he had 0 regard to the lives on the battlefield, his attitude was that all soldiers were expendable and took away body armour just to save a buck for his oil buddies
@Austin Fox All wars come to an end sooner or later. It's the nature of the particular war that determines its longevity. Did anybody think at the beginning that this GWOT would last only a month...or a year? Try a generation or two. We're fighting an ideology that's been building up steam for a couple of centuries at least. Modern technology has afforded it the means to openly wage war on us. Western liberalism has opened the door for its infiltration into our societies. But what exactly lies at its core? What does it espouse? It espouses hatred for any values that run counter to its own (free expression; gender equality; etc.), and wants to impose its system on the world. 9/11 was its formal declaration of war. If ever there were a war we MUST fight and win, this one is it. The alternative would be unthinkable.
@@mmoarchives2542 Bitch did you forget that Liz Cheney's dad was Vice President for two terms WHILE being the head of Halliburton ? You know the same company that was in charge of supplying the military with everything from jets to MRE's ...fuck outta' here with the "ACTSHUALLY... it was all Rumsfeld" bullshit . Rumsfeld played ball but Liz's dad Dick Cheney made the most bank from that 20 year clusterfuck in the sandbox.
Probably because how difficult it has gotten to join. I’m sure the vast majority of the people in our military right now have lied about something on their background checks or meps in order to join.
To be brutally honest, no force in the entire world pays their regular soldiers enough to comfortably raise a family, let alone the problems from basically dumping raising the kids on one partner if there is deployment. Recall also in Iraq deployments were extended further straining families. In the United States, there is the disaster of young men and women barely experienced in life making rapid decisions to marry and have kids just before and while serving in the military, leading to the military becoming an effective engine for creating broken homes and families.
e6 staff sergeant with 8 years makes 4k a month base pay. That's 48k in base pay. Plus housing allowance between 20,000 and 35,000 a year plus a food allowance and health/dental and lots of benefits. Add it all up and it equals about 100k a year between base pay, housing allowance, food allowance, benefits
I laughed at the ones who got married young in the army. So fucking stupid, but what can you tell a 18 year old that thinks he’s god’s gift to man. Let them figure out the hard way.
This is what happens when people lose faith in their government. Why would someone join if their government will discard them as soon as they come back an empty version of themselves after what they've been through? Our country can't even take care of our veterans anymore, they don't care about fixing our infrastructure. If they don't fight for their own citizens anymore, why fight for them? The past 2-3 years, I'm seeing more and more people losing faith in our political system, and both parties. I hope things get better, but it's going to be very hard for us to maintain recruitment so long as people don't have anything to believe in.
Negative. It is because for the last decade, only 30% of US 18-21 year olds can meet even basic enlistment requirements, down from 70% through the 70’s, 80’s, and 90’s. So what is different now? The standards haven’t really changed.
I joined the Army during the 90s drawdown. I resigned after a tour in Iraq. Misusing the military has consequences. Those consequences are amplified when a society is incapable of producing sufficient recruits.
Is as bad when the military in unable to train reliable troops, as they had in the past. I have seen how they have become lenient, just to keep any from dropping out, by not feeling included. The idea is to make them understand, they are training to be in a fight for their life, and their enemy, is not going to care or be nice to them if they are not up to the task. They will eat a person alive, if they can't fight back as hard. Numbers are good. But a well trained soldier is far better. I know this. Had a group of eight with guns, try to take out one guy who was trained in gun combat. After six attempt, and a 100% loss rate, it is clear. Good training is far better than mere numbers.
Exactly! Everyone is missing the root cause. "Only 23% of Gen Z are actually ELIGIBLE to join the military." Why? Because: can't pass ASVAB or officer testing, out of shape/can't pass military fitness requirements, anxiety/depression, drugs, can't receive security clearance, and medical issues. Military software now flags more recruits due to medical issues.
Being a 17 year old who had some interest in joining the military before, I'll give some of what i had going through my head that made me rethink it Lying recruiters - In recent years, soldiers and veterans have made it very apparent on social media that recruiters will lie to hell and back to try to get you to join. Veterans are treated horribly, and I, for one, don't think that i could deal with the shit i hear some vets deal with. Afghan withdrawal - I saw recently that someone who partook in the Afghan withdrawal had to leave some of his equipment behind, and recently, he was told that he would have to pay for it. Now, im not 100% certain that it is legitimate, but from what ive found, it seems about right. Then there's the rest of fighting for a country that couldn't give a shit about its citizens, corrupt leadership, unclear messages, and pointless wars. I dont want to fight a war for the interests of the top 1% of the population
Apart from 90% of my formerly known military friends being downright unhappy, suffering mental effects of violence, a lack of trust in US military directive not being driven by politics, a lack of trust from having been involved in "wars that didn't happen", a general lack of trust... Ok, I lost my train of thought, but you get the idea.
I'm serious. My opinions about service were formed by Vietnam veterans, Marine Force Recon Scouts who collected ears, Army Ghost Squadron Ship Gunners who participated in imaginary events and recognized horrific ones. Being a Scout, being involved in VFW's, having family who had served... What I saw was broken souls and bitter distrust. My grandfather was a Navy communications officer on a submarine, a merchant marine, and other Radio operations that might require. P-51 and outright secrecy...... By the time he may have told stories, by the time I went to be a caretaker for him he was no longer lucid, but the items told stories. I will never again see, nor want to, the images of immediate post-Nagasaki bombing I found on old, thick postcards. I might mention I have never again seen the like of them either. Yeah, Top Gun made me want to be a pilot, and I scored high enough on the ASVAB to do it, regularly stalked by AF recruiters in the arcade..... But I saw a problem of trust I couldn't reconcile, was a cocky little shit, and didn't want to give in to the man and cut my hair..... I've been bald since I was probably 25. I still regret not joining, truthfully, but I recognize my suspicion as legitimate..... even later founded.
I’ve been in about 10 years, a mix of guard and active duty, enlisted to officer, and now I’m itching to get out. The only good thing I got was a degree and some financial security, but it came at the cost of injuries and my mental health. I’ve never gotten the job or the duty stations I’ve ever wanted because Needs of the Army. Good leaders are out there but they’re a minority. You can potentially be successful but it’s rare, the system doesn’t care about you, it will use you till you break
@@mikethedick I have several trans and intersex friends and relatives both in and out of service, if it’s not your deal then getting out may be the best course of action for you
@melynn_0355 : My brother said outright he would go to prison before he would ever get involved with the military. I was drafted. Today I wish I had never registered with the local draft board. What will they do to me. Send me to Vietnam? I ended up there anyway!
Watched my father in law carry on conversations with his dead Vietnam buddies for years while trying to drown them in whiskey, all while being constantly given the runaround by VA for the most basic needs. Had teachers with nerve disorders and unpronounceable respiratory issues because of Iraq-I talking about how lucky they were compared to all their homeless friends. Then watched everybody I went to school with who got sucked in during the Bush years and everything that followed get just as screwed up and screwed over. Kids have seen three generations in a row chewed up and spat out by their country. Why would they ever want to serve that? The illusion is gone, and I can’t be mad at the kids for being sharp enough to see past the parades and flyovers.
I'm a vet. I came from an ignorant mountain region with little prospects. Service very much improved my lot in life. That being said, knowing what I was serving for, the values and motivations of essentially everything that is propagated, I would have rather stayed home. There is no honor in that line of work anymore. If you do it, you do it in the spirit of a shameless mercenary. 0311 USMC honorable discharge.
Some politicians/political pundits openly admitted that their main reason for opposing student debt relief was because it would hurt recruitment. They want a population with limited prospects to maintain the military industrial complex. Absolutely sickening on their part but completely understandable on your part.
Former Army Captain here. I'm proud to have served but if I had to do it all over again, I think I would pass. I've done far better financially in the civilian world and my quality of life now is way better.
Be glad you weren't enlisted. The pay is even worse, and so is the quality of life. Officers do have some advantages, but I'm smart enough to know it's still the military, and you certainly had more responsibility. A drunk E4 could have ruined your career in the wrong circumstances. I got ou as an E6 , Navy. I was just starting to get more in leadership roles and was getting more insight on what actually happens higher up in the chain of command. It took years to get up there. The same drunk E4 that took you down would have run me over, too. A lot of juniors don't quite get that. I liked the middle leadership, though. Not low enough to get all the shifty work, not high enough for the extra responsibilities. Again, I'm glad my time came and went. I'm 100% disabled now with PTSD. I am also a cancer survivor from the pit fires in the first gulf war. My health is not so good.
As someone who is still in the army and in the process of getting out, I can give you 4 reasons. But all it really takes is one for any individual 1: we are not the country we used to be where "freedom" and "bravery" and "for God and Country" was the slogan as well as the norm. In other words, we are not a country worth serving anymore. No more than an honorable pr good quality job with terrible fucking leadership/management. 2: the appeal. Or rather the unappeal for a generation pf people that dont want to be told what to do or bitched at or be disrespected in a certain kind of way by someone who is a higher rank. Im not talking about just getting yelled out or whatever. That comes with the military. Im talking about because you signed a contract that you are beholden to that people in higher ranks are incompetent and egotistical as fuck that they will do things BEHIND the rank and try to get away with it because YOU dont know any better so you must know your place. Depending on where you go, no matter how old you are, they will treat you like you were born with that rank on your chest and treat you any kind of way. Please tell me im wrong. 3: kind of reverts back to 1. No patriotism anymore. No real psychological effect on the country in terms of the end-all-be-all scenario of days of old. Where everyone was scared of terrorsists or russia invading and so on. We dont really have a sense of that looming threat. 4: we live in an age of distractions and have better chances of making money if not having well-paying jobs and careers so there is no need. PLUS you have guys telling people not to join the military, or rather not join a certain MOS. Overall: the military is not terrible. But like i tell everyone, no matter where you go in life you have 2 things that makes up your overall experience and your motivation to stay or leave: it is what YOU make of it, but the who and the where, are your primary factors as to whether you want to stay or leave. I have better things to do outside the army. It was a life experience. I got to say i done it and dont regret it. But as you will hear from almost any service member: i miss the clowns. But DEFINITELY not the fucking circus. That statement alone shit tell you all you need to know. And extra work for bullshit pay, too. God bless you all.
Our town had a recruiting center with separate storefront offices for the various branches of service, located in a high traffic area. Then, a few years ago, for security, those offices were moved to an out-of-the-way location, behind locked steel doors, and visits by advance appointment only. I haven’t seen a recruiter in uniform anywhere in my area in years. They used to be out there, uh, recruiting.
“The enemy is people we know well and people we can identify - the enemy is the system that sends us to war when it’s profitable; the enemies are the CEOs who lay us off from our jobs when its profitable; they’re the insurance companies who deny us health care when it’s profitable; they’re the banks that take away our homes when it’s profitable. Our enemies are not 5,000 miles away. They are right here at home, and if we organize and fight with our sisters and brothers we can stop this war, stop this government, and create a better world.” - Michael Prysner (U.S Veteran)
I walked into both a Marine recruitment office and Army recruitment office. It was accessible and right next to each other in a strip mall. I don’t think I’ve seen a recruitment office in about ten years.
@@natel7382 JoshDamn it!! Nathan you can't keep getting baited by trolls like this your making the rest of us look bad, I'll have council chair Fillion roast you at the next meeting with the council of Nates
I was a civilian contractor for the Navy for 3 years. I helped recruit for the Navy Hospital Corps. It’s close to impossible. I literally went to work, sat down, and counted the hours til my day was over. Pay is bad, medical restrictions are too tight, and we are frowned upon by society.
Because the US military is not what it used to be . The military these days are just protecting the benefits of private companies. Just look at the soldiers that’s being protecting the US oil companies steal oil from Yemen for years.
I've had the calling to join infantry my whole life. Follow in the footsteps of my family. Was DQ'd for only having 1 kidney. That 1 kidney has had no effect on my life ever.
you are frowned upon by society because you fight for these people: 770 Eastern Parkway, Brooklyn, NY Those are the people behind every war, financial crisis, mass media , etc. I don't say don't enlist in the army, but rather than dying in vain, know your enemy If you still know people in the army/navy, tell them who is the enemy
After serving in at least TWO wars (Vietnam and the "Cold" war), I came to the conclusion that being in the military means you're a pawn of politicians...to be easily dispensed with if it suits their interests.
Please don't join as a 6,2 male I got Sharped (sexually assaulted) and my drills did nothing about it also forget about sleeping especially during BCT ,look up stress fractures too
I think everyone who ever wanted to join the military (myself included) thought "I'm doing this to Defend my family" but then when you're deployed in Afghanistan, Iraq, Africa thousands of miles away and fighting dudes in dresses and sandals, seeing how poor those countries are, how messed up their society is, you then begin to think "How the FUCK is this helping me defend my family?" And become disillusioned.
@@DysentaryGary22 You mean a government psy-op to justify forever war and take your freedom? Building 7 demolition? "Jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams" isn't just a meme, it is a scientific fact.
@@DysentaryGary22 We will never be allowed to know the full story behind 9/11. After more than a decade in the Middle East , the enemy isn't defeated, and we have more on the horizon. It's a tactic from ancient times where a foreign adventure distracts the population from the fact that it's rulers are robbing them and that any potential revolt at home is tamed because the cream of the country's young men of fighting age aren't home 'causing trouble ', but away being killed and maimed. It's also population control. After centuries of this nonsense you'd think we would have caught on by now.
I joined in February, I was disgusted with how many people passed basic even though they were undisciplined and very unfit. I myself got a 540 on my last ACFT but there were people who were not even hitting 300 and fell out of the final ruck and still passed basic. I’m proud of what I did but it made it feel like less of an accomplishment because of who I graduated with
I’m thinking of joining, I’m 20 and grew up with a drill instructor for a dad. Seeing TikTok’s of the fat people or just stupid/lazy people in the military just annoy me. It’s an embarrassment imo.
I suppose it's not extremely necessary for all military professions. Of course Infantry and Special Forces need to be at peak physical capability. But it's not the end of the world if a computer programmer or a cargo pilot has a bit of a belly.
@@shagbabyyeah I was in from '92 to '99. It was always like that. Just no social media. In the 90s at Ft. Bragg we had multiple drive by shootings on post, multiple drug busts (soldiers and airmen) off post, two mass shootings involving soldiers, and a wholesale purge of gangs and neo-nazis from the ranks. No Google any of those things. No fat kids in my unit but they were definitely around. Don't let any of that shit deter you. I would do it again in a minute.
Joining the military was a good decision for me personally, largely because I went National Guard rather than active duty. I work for officers and senior NCOs that legitimately care about their Soldiers more than they care about their careers. However, I have heard dozens of horror stories from active duty colleagues regarding getting constantly screwed over by toxic leaders. The Army's promotion system incentivizes leaders to throw their subordinate under the bus as much as possible, and it shows. The three biggest things killing the US military right now are toxic leadership, woke BS, and a lack of a clear mission regarding overseas deployments.
That was my experience as well. I started out in the Army National Guard. Everyone wanted to be there because they enjoyed soldiering. As I got older, I made my living in the military as an active duty officer, contractor and DA civilian. All the regular Army officers did was sit around all day conniving to get promoted. It’s literally all they talked about. All I did all day was write Officer Evaluation Reports. That was the most important thing. Your unit could fail every standard, but you’d better not be late with an OER! The whole thing sickened me. The other thing they spend a lot of time on is getting sleep studies and setting themselves up for a big disability check when they retire.
Hey spare parts army thanks a ton for watching, these are ONLY 4 of the reasons - Why do you think nobody wants to join the military anymore? Did I miss something important? Let me know!
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Could be because the democrats put a lot of pork in the bill that had nothing to do with helping veterans.
YOU DID NOT MENTION THE TEN'S OF THOUDAND WHO ARE BEING KICKED OUT OF THE MILITARY FOR REFUSING THE JAB
it's solely because we don't want to fight Israels wars in the Middle east when they spy on us and work against americans censoring them. Second, they just fired a whole bunch of military people over Vaccines and Trump. If they weren't Winning in Ukraine nobody would join.
speaking as a veteran that decided to not reenlist, "toxic leadership" and "no quality of life" are 2 big ones
I feel that. That is by far the biggest reason i got out. Its that toxic idea of when things are not proficient or effective or anything else of that nature, you are hit with the "thats just the way it is" or "its your job so deal with it" instead of taking simple steps to fix a simple problem
Exactly. Sure they pay for your rent but the place they have you stay in is awful and you have no sense of privacy
Toxic leadership were the exact words my son used to describe his NCOs. He fully wanted to make it a career.
Toxic leadership can get an entire platoon killed
Which is why I'm getting out at the end of my contract. 🤷🏽♂️
Well, we just spent over 20 years of constant warfare only to end up with the same enemy in charge of more territory and with better weapons... can't imagine why kids today aren't busting down the door to the recruiter's office
Don’t forget how much heroin we got on the streets and how little pain meds are legally dispensed
A enemy you created. Ask kissinger aka Mister "I would do it again"
bingo
We lost Vietnam and we didn't see the same reaction.
That’s the issue with fighting insurgents, it’s not that good of a sales pitch and you’re fighting with small squads rather than massive battalions.
21 year vet here. If you want people to serve then be a country worth serving.
Exactly! DemonRats are horrible excuses of Leaders and they are the idiots who start all the wars! FJB!
For sure
Thank you for your service.
Use the military as a path to citizenship for immigrants, if they can survive a March across Mexico to get here six weeks basic training would be a cakewalk and they probably believe in the American promise than some couch potatoe, vidhead incel.
27 years here. I agree with you 100%.
Back in the early 2000’s when I was thinking about what to do with my life post high school, I considered the military and talked with an older family friend who went through the horror of Vietnam. Their advice was simple: “if you wanna serve your country kid, go volunteer in a homeless kitchen or advocate for the needy, the sick and the poor. All the military will give you is trauma, a broken body and a pat on the back for killing some poor bastard who just wanted you to leave his homeland.”
Miss ya Willie, you deserved better.
How the Vietnam Vets were treated was absolutely disgusting. America as a whole should have been ashamed of themselves. My Dad and Uncle both served during Vietnam.
Willie sounds like he was a good guy R.I.P.
Thanks for nothing Comrade!
That is amazing advice and disappointing as well. We have the idea of Military Men all being heroes, when in fact many times no one asked to be saved. We are only liberating resources.
the care of veterans in US is problematic.
In france, my father, after his years of service in land army, was reaffected in road gendarmery brigade, it was a very cookl job, just give tickets to people caught by a radar (gendarmery is a french military status police force, divided in three : white gendarmery, a countryside police. Yellow gendarmery, anti riot mobile troop. And republican guard).
@@geraldjuvejr.6171 my grandpa served and NEVER talked about it. He was a firefighter. I don't even know if he was drafted or not because of how little he spoke of it.
The answer is a lot more simple than you think. People are starting to realize that it’s not worth fighting for a system that doesn’t serve you💯
couldnt have said it better.
@MV or afganistan
Fighting a war like WW2 makes more sense, I hate war but if I had to I would willingly enlist in the US army for a war like WW2. But for going to a random foreign country because the government doesn't like how their civil war is going? no thanks.
Maybe not a system but more to stay from being invaded and protecting our families cuz if we don’t go drafting will happen and ppl we love are going to go. So basically we go so nobody else has to and live there comfortable life.
@@lorenzomata6080 To be fair we were helping the legitimate Afghanistan government regain control, America did it, then two decades later it went right back to the same in a couple months.
I honestly don't understand how this could happen to a country that treats its veterans so well!
Wait what?
Jon Steward has been making waves on that for years and may have had an impact.
ya also a country that pushes of anti-white sentiment in every facet of our culture you know whites the ones who make up the majority of the people who to choice to volunteer to join the military i cant believe that aren't willing to die for a country that loves them so much, talk about ungrateful
The ironic part is our veterans are treated far better than previous generations ever were, and it's still subpar.
And they nitpick over petty things like stubble on the face, which is really annoying. Some stress is understandable, but the military is just needlessly stressful.
For people who are willing to put their lives on the line, soldiers deserve respect.
@@independentvoter8710 Because they might need to wear gas or fire masks at a moments notice. Being attacked, shit blowing up and catching fire is part of the job.
Do you understand. I'm not being funny.
One reason is us older vets are advising against joining the military due to the fact they use us up and then throw us away. I was poisoned by the Camp Lejeune water, and for 20 years myself and many thousands like me had to fight to get a law passed so we could get the medical help we need and compensation for the mistakes of the government. It's like my dad's generation the Korean War, Vietnam vets that are still being denied help for agent orange.
My god that’s horrible.. hopefully they’ll receive the medical help that they needed..
My god that’s horrible.. hopefully they’ll receive the medical help that they needed..
My god that’s horrible.. hopefully they’ll receive the medical help that they needed..
Keep speaking! That's the real heroic action ❤️ Thank you for the truth.
I am a USMC veteran who, if you can believe their own admitted dates, missed the Camp LeJeune water contamination by one year, but my own medical issues and continued problems with dealing with the VA and it's far sub-standard medical care and totally screwed up disability rating system along with the current political climate and the USMC re-organization efforts by the new Commandant, have me recommending anyone against serving today. I could write a book about how bad the VA is but I still have pride in my own service I just wouldn't tell anyone the reward is worth the risk involved when your standard of life is so low afterward and the government absolutely sh*ts all over you the whole time.
I was exposed to chemicals while in the Navy. The VA Rep, told me to put in a claim and I would receive a letter with a hearing date. He was certain that I would get a hearing.
The letter arrived and stated that they had no record of me ever being in the Navy. No duty station, nothing.
So, no hearing could not be scheduled. Because I didn't exist apparently.
I still have my original DD214 and, copies of orders and a photo book.
Apparently they did discard my claim.
Years went by and I met other Vets who complained about the VA. They all had issues with claims and hearings.
Then I checked on my records again and lo and behold they are all there.
I guess I lost my motivation, got no fight left in me.
Don't join the Military. They apparently don't care about anyone.
Records get lost. I doubt very much that they were simply discarded as in tossed in the trash. hey apparently denied your claim because they did not have (lost) the documents. You were smart enough to NOT send originals (never do that) so it'd be simple to make more copies and resubmit by mail or fax, more recently online. If you resubmitted within a year, you'd get a years worth of back pay.
My grandpa complains about the VA a lot
That sounds really fucked
Is there no way to sue them that’s ridiculous
I'm a recent veteran. It's easy to lie to new kids joining and saying "you'll defend the nation". It's pretty hard to lie to guys who are already in / have served who know we aren't defending anything but senior citizen politicians' pocketbooks.
Whenever I hear the words "defend the nation" my immediate response is "from whome?"
Vet myself and I can’t help but see how we always try to copy the Roman Empire model when it’s in direct contrast to the American founding fathers.
The Roman argument for enlistment was, “You give up your freedom for security” when one of our own founding father’s Benjamin Franklin famously said, “If you give up liberty for security, you’ll get neither and you’ll deserve neither.”-Which is where most vets like myself find themselves after serving.
You lost all freedom when you signed your life away to a contract more beholden than a student loan where you’ll end your career in military prison if you rebel, and you lost all security when you placed yourself in the cross fire of a foreign destabilized region and our special interest owners.
It doesn’t matter if our troops imagine they have morals, because at the end of the day with the chain of command-the ones wielding this GOD-LIKE power over who lives and who dies are all rich A holes in Washington that make sure to keep the entire lower ranked military both Pennywise and pound foolish.
BINGO. Marine veteran here. I get so tired of people that say the military “defends our freedom”. If that were true, they’d be occupying Capitol Hill and driving out the nest of vipers that use the peoples house as a whore house. When “president” Biden used Marines in dress blues for his infamous speech with the red background in which he painted half the country with a broad brush and denigrated us, yeah, no. Never again would I raise my right hand and swear an oath to this government.
What unit did you serve in?
You sound like a real Commie. I bet your 2 moms are proud.
It’s difficult to get people excited to serve a system that doesn’t serve them. The government has been facing a major legitimacy crisis and approval rating is at ridiculous lows.
“Doesn’t serve them” is a bit of a stretch though.
@@TobbeStorm either you’re getting paid or naive. No excuse for you.
@@TobbeStorm Then you sign up to have Russians turn you into dust in the Donbas, hero.
>A gov that doesn't respect the constitution
>Is figure-headed by someone that can be outsmarted by a rock
>Has left its allies to die
>Has left its own soldiers to die
>Has armed terrorists and gangsters countless times
>Isn't just apathetic, but is openly hostile toward its tax payers
>Is immensely wasteful
>Has all but destroyed this once glorious economic powerhouse
>Sends money overseas while ignoring the issues of ghettos, homelessness, drugs, mental illness, crime and prisoner torture and abuse
>Often shills for one of our most powerful adversaries, the CCP
>Has turned the MSM into an echo chamber of lies
>Is complicit with the eventual loss of U.S. sovereignty, submits to the will of haughty globalists
Thats the fault of Republicans
One thing he left out (probably on purpose) is TOXIC LEADERSHIP. There is an INFESTATION of Toxic Leaders who practice favoritism, enforce double standards, while they hide behind rank and abuse their power. Not to mention, they have almost dictatorial power over you. I ETS'd out of the Army in 2020 as an E-5, and I have LOVED life ever since. The ONLY thing I miss is my battle buddies. They couldn't pay me to re-enlist. My mentality did not start off like this, it came from almost 7 years of first hand experience.
Until the Armed forces (as a whole) cleans house from TOP to bottom, holds Leaders accountable, (and PUNISH them), the Military will continue to be under-strengthed. People DO NOT want to be taken from family, risk their lives, then be trapped dealing with Bullshit 24/7 from Self Righteous Pricks who bring shame to the rank on their chest. One last thing, if politicians (including high ranking military leaders) want war so damn bad, they need to send THEIR sons, daughters, nieces, nephews, and grandchildren. If their loved ones are not on the front lines, then we shouldn't be either. #AfghanistanVeteran
YES!
I wish the previous generations did something so I could go back to where I came from #Afghanrefugee.
People really should appreciate that wars are now fought for dominance so that resources can be exploited in the benefit of a few. They never fought to save the Afghans from the Afghans...
Bro. I spent four years with busted legs, refusing to get on profile, passing all my PT tests so that I could impress my NCOs and do my highly skilled aviation job, but the same dirtbag E6 kept putting his buddies into my slot based on how cool they looked, or what sports teams they liked. My fifth year in, I just stopped showing up to work, and got the E6 fired. The unit was restructured, but by then it was too late, my contract was coming to an end and they'd just been stringing me along until I came up on orders, so I did everything I could to get my medboard option back, and got tf out.
Well said!!
I agree with the last statement! If these politicians and businessmen want war so badly, they need to send " their"kids or better yet, do it themselves!
My dad went through desert storm and the first part of GWOT in 2003 and always told me he “didn’t want me to die in the desert for George Bush’s oil”
Where can I get some of that oil? Haven't seen a drop.
@@paulv4130 That's because it's in the Permian Basin, not the Middle East.
@@StochasticUniverse George Bush's oil. Just a Democrat lie.
Former Air Force officer here. I'd go back in a heartback to defend the nation against a serious threat....but risking my life for wars of convenience? Hell no!
Correct
my buddy is marine who was in around 2011ish and he told me they mostly just guarded poppy fields and oil... were some dudes out there killing bad guys? Of course, but it was navy seals and rangers and delta not the average enlisted. They were guarding the money...
Not really wars of convenience, more like wars over money. And not even money that the general population would ever see, just the 1%.
Hard to get excited about that.
You won't have to go back, the war's coming home.
Unless you were a pj or some other AFSOF unit you weren't really "risking your life" to begin with. Sorry not sorry🤷🏾♂️
Speaking as a veteran myself, it no longer feels like you're fighting for your country but a corrupt and useless government. I refuse to risk my life for those people.
Yet you don’t serve in for the shitty government. Most of them are serving for the people only.
Our military is a vassal military to Israel.
MOST PEOPLE JOIN OUTTA DESPERATION (the economy and job market) GET USED TO IT AND QUIT KIDDING YOURSELF..
@richardalvarado-ik9br why are you yelling? Nobody is disagreeing with you. Calm down.
@@33ZackG
That's clearly not the case, how about you check those reup #'s from 2008 and 2009 when the economy tanked? The pandemic was a boon for young people to get a job because many boomers retired in 2020 and 2021.. So I guess as a 21 yr old today is why should I sign up for a job that could put me in harms way? Sure I'll have to work for Amazon, Target, or Walmart for $17.00, but at least I won't get shot at or come home with half my face missing.
As someone who served, I talk kids out of serving.
Why would anyone knowingly join any organization where the leadership is hopelessly incompetent and disloyal to anything but their career ambitions and the American people couldn't care less about you?
I wasn’t accepted and after rooming in college with an ex ranger, I’m glad I wasn’t.
This is the same for academia lol
@@urumomaos2478Agreed
By that logic nobody would ever find a job anywhere, but I get your point.
@@PsychicWars If my employer told me to fight a war on their behalf I'd frag 'em.
The Vietnam war is the catalyst. Veterans advise their loved ones to avoid military service any way they can. When I was a private graduating from basic training, my brother was there. He did not like what he saw. He witnessed trainees being brutally abused by drill instructors. He resolved to never get involved with the military. When they came to arrest him, he was in a hospital recovering from surgery. He escaped military service.
I come from a military family. Dad was an Air Force air traffic controller. Mom was in the navy. My grandfather served in Vietnam and Korean and was a drill sergeant in the army. Uncles were in the Air Force also. Growing up I was taught to never enlist and get an education. Watching how my dad lived after being honorably discharged I can see why. This country doesn’t care about its vets.
Only if you have two moms and live on the coast these days...
Your family was involved in invasions destruction destabilization of other countries and killing thousands and thousands of people
@@Arendvdvenk 💀
@@Arendvdvenkwut?
Your answer was the most straightforward
Honeslty, the deal breaker for me was that I wasn't able to choose the oil company I was going to die for.
I like shells
yeah i’m tryna fight for gazprom
@@stcaesar at least they are not hypocripts
I did. Exxon Mobil. I guess it depends on what MOS you sign up for...
Try going a day without using a single product that does not involve petroleum in it's manufacture and/or delivery. Our way of life would crumble without it. So ya, it's worth fighting for.
I think one of the largest overlooked factors is simply that there is an large and rapidly growing number of people (myself included) who genuinely don't believe in what we're fighting for anymore.
That's called war weariness. 20 years of war will do that. Wars we didn't exactly win either.
Honestly there's also the idea that the genral USA citzent is way more cognizant that other countries don't like USA very much, mostly due forging policy.
*Srughs* it's a reall problem for all institutions really.
Yeah agreed. I was sent to Iraq during the first rotation in after the invasion. The Army thought Iraq was gonna be another Kosovo/Bosnia style peace keeping mission. So most of the units that rotated in with mine didn't have armored vehicles. My unit was supposed to go in during the invasion from the North through Turkey. Instead Turkey pulled out at the last minute. So our stuff sat on the boat. So we went in will all our tanks brads and heli's. When the insurgency kicked off my unit was one of the few that was actually ready hardware wise. The Iraqi's stopped being friendly to us when they figured out we weren't leaving. We went from being the liberators of Iraq to the Crusades all over again in their eyes. Afghanistan and Iraq were both pointless and wasteful wars. Where the only winners were those selling weapons and supplies to the pentagon. All of us soldiers knew the war was wrong. We should have never been in that country to begin with. Bomb the pants off Saddam sure. But never put boots on the ground in a Muslim nation. That was pure idiocy.
@@irish7460 The purpose of those wars wasn't to win anything, it was just to keep the Military Industrial Complex get its paycheck so the longer they go the better. Remember to sign up to die for Israel.
@@Soulessdeeds We were the ones who put Saddam there, we were the ones who trained Al'Quaeda. Our Intelligence agencies are working for God knows whose interests but it certainly isn't America. Same with our "ruling class", they send us to wars that destroy our own economy "bombing the hell off Saddam" instead of building up our own nation.
We need a French Revolution in this nation. That's why I voted for Trump, the political class and the globalists who own the media and most corpos are clearly our enemy.
Why the hell I would serve in the military to get killed in a war for corporate interests??
Exactly. It’s been 80 years since our last “necessary” war
Correction:. Politicians do NOT "strongly oppose" mandatory service. They know voters oppose it. Huge difference. They would love to do it.
No. The last thing they want is more patriots in the military. Especially since they'd keep their training and still have their own guns at home when they finish their term of service. It is a nightmare for tyrants.
@@midgetydeathMore like training dangerous people like drug dealers would threaten the lives of politicians. Protest is fine. Armed retaliation is a problem to the state.
@midgetydeath Lmao you think everyone in the military is a "patriot"?
@TehKaiser you know most protests have involved force right? And are only a sign or civil unrest>revolution/civil wars to come if the tensions increase. The basis of any country today has involved revolutions or civil wars... and they still go on even now. And if the population increases to the point most protest a cause... and peaceful protesting doesn't work, armed retaliation will be used...once again like always.
Exactly, especially the fact that they can get their kids college waivers
I almost enlisted myself but I had a fateful encounter with a homeless man who was a Vietnam veteran. The man had clear mental problems and was begging for food in tears. I was still in high school, and didn't have a job at the time, but i did have some Taco Bell that i had bought for myself as a treat. He stated that it had been so long since he had a warm meal. It made me realize that this government doesn't care about those that are no longer useful. They onlt remember about their veterans when a politician is trying to block an opposing politician's bill
It depends on your career field and what branch you join. There are jobs in the miltiary where you rarely see combat, although there is always the possibility of deploying to a combat zone. Vietnam was different because that was before the all-volunteer force and many of the veterans who were drafted were in combat career fields.
Why join the army and get sent to fight a war for a bunch of rich people who couldn't give a 💩 about you?????
@@steverichards7163 All I'm saying is there's other jobs where it doesn't really feel like you're fighting. There are office jobs in the military too that are non-combat. And you still get the benefits.
@@steverichards7163I’m serving for the regular US citizens. No one else. Enough said.
He must have been old the VA isn’t the best but it still helps
Both my parents were deployed in Iraq and they straight up told me to never enlist in the military.
I don't want to come of as stupid since I just came off watching the vid, but what is there reasoning on why you shouldn't?
@lets-go-larson5 My dad gets random PTSD when he's a passenger in a car because when he was driving in a convoy, a hum-v was blown up from an IED a few cars ahead of him.
My mom didn't step on grass for almost an entire year because her job was locating and deactivating hidden mines that the Iraqis buried everywhere and she developed an irrational fear of stepping on loose soil.
Also they didn't even agree with why America went to war so that's something too.
Military treats enlisted people like shit and don't care.if you get hurt they just want to get you gone.
I have/had a handful of friends that served and they didn't reccomend it unless I was set on going to college or something which is what they did.
@@ultimatememe3586 did you have 2 moms
An army recruiter approached me at my college orientation and was trying to find a foothold. He said there was all kinds of stuff you could do in the army and asked, “What do you like to do?”, and I was like, “Well, I like to read.” Eventually he saw it was a lost cause and kind of just shuffled away. I felt sort of bad for him
To join the military, you not only need to have a desire to serve your country, you also need to know your country has the best of intentions for you. I don’t feel the country politicians have the best of intentions for their citizens.
Look what Joe Biden did to Ukraine. Does anyone actually believe Joe cares about the dead soldiers?
ask Tommy Tuberville a former below average college football coach at Auburn in the 2000's
And knowing you're on you're own for the cost of prosthetics that are "More than we're able to give" (canadian specific jab at politicians), You kinda figure you're better of on your own when we get invaded too.
It's pretty fucking obvious that our government and economy does not serve us.
@@PorchBandit , universal health care is a scam.
I got out of the Marine Corps 11 days ago after 4 years of active duty.
Toxic leadership and low pay are the 2 biggest reasons why I did not reenlist.
I got out back in '03 and it was the same bullshit then. Shirts tucked in while in civilian clothes, mandatory belt, if you had a 72 or 96 coming up and wanted to go somewhere, mandated vehicle inspections, I guess 'cause the valid state inspection sticker was bullshit, who knows. Zero life outside of work without someone who's bored and on a power trip fucking it up. Glad ya made it through man. Nobody can take that 214 from ya. 👍👍👍
I’m still in and it’s fucking worse… nothing has changed fucking letting retard officers run entire units and we ( lower enlisted) get fucked cleaning their mess.
better file your VA claim
I know 3 people who couldn’t wait to get out.
Thankyou for your service, brother. 👏🏽🇺🇸
Every dollar spent on veteran's benefits is a dollar spent on recruiting. Every claim denied by the VA creates an anti-recruiter. Why join if the benefits are not really provided?
THANK YOU, Cappy, for FINALLY talking about this!!! (2:15) So tired of hypocritical conservative military service people totally fine with THEIR stuff paid for, yet when it comes to the REST of the country, it's the middle finger... The VA and the average soldier needs more support. So tired of all these billions flowing to the Military Industrial Complex...
@@williamyoung9401 its not hypocrasy they earned it trough servise
Yes, thank you democrats.
@Tom Capon Perfect!
Dont know any vets that would want any of their kids to serve at this point.
@@williamyoung9401 and to be honest you would think with all those billions equipment would get better but nope it makes you wonder where all those billions actually go to probably to some seedy crack (redacted) and crack co-(redacted) for some high ranking officer and corporate executive or-(redacted) party
As an 18 year old now, I considered it, but I'm so damn afraid of going to war that being in the military just scares the shit out of me
Back in the day, there was a pervasive myth of invincibility among the young. One thing I've noticed about young people nowadays, whether i's' growing up on the internet, with access to all the world's information at their fingerstips, or something else, a noticeable number of young people now don't subscribe to the myth of their own invincibility. They are more realistic about the fact that they aren't John Wayne and they don't have plot armor in real life. And that's tough, because without it, I don't know how you can do what you need to do in a warzone.
In 1985, I was a college senior, planning to join the military after graduation. My college friend, who disagreed with my goal, invited me to dinner at his family house. I met his father, a career Navy man. By the end of the evening, the father convinced me not to join any branch of the military.
Probably already know the reasons why but interested in how the conversation went if you don’t mind telling
I discovered my expectations didn't match reality, which is probably true of many would-be and actual military recruits. If you're going to potentially put your life on the line, you want yourself and your family to be treated better than "General Issue."
@@nj2mddude205 yeah, as former military you may always have to make drastic changes. Especially where you live, besides basic and AIT along with Airborne training I was 90% out of the country stationed in who knows where most of the time during my 7 years in. By the time I made a few friends and got accustomed to the country I would get shipped out somewhere else and had to start over again. Also missing every single major Holiday from family n friends took a toll for over 7 years. Obviously when it came time to re-enlist and I asked for guarantee time or duty station in the states they told me that they would see what could be done, but not include it in my contract. That’s pretty much saying your guaranteed to be overseas again in the furthest country from home. I said I’m done!
@@brwils3378 Yea, I'm guard so I haven't had to deal with that, but my unit is getting ready to deploy right as soon as I get out so they keep asking "Your going to re-up right?" And I'm like "We're probably heading back to a desert that on the tail end of my deployment (the last like 3 months) the average temperature during the day will be like 150 degrees, and I work in the kitchen so no, plus when I hurt my back l, back in basic and got a permanent back injury y'all didn't want to pay shit, and still declined my LOD so no I'm fucking done" they are finally understanding that I ain't coming back after I walk out those doors one last time.
Being retired military, what I hear in the comments is a lot of whining.
I joined the army to escape absolute poverty, lack of opportunities or a promising future. I got 3 hots and a cot, a paycheck, skills training and my college degree paid for. I’ve met so many with similar stories. Yes the military can have toxic leadership but so can the civilian sector. If you decide to join, do your best job but squeeze every benefit you can get out of them because they will squeeze everything out of you.
Just like everything else in life, ‘You get out of it what you put into it.’ Whether high school, college, professional degrees, work, investments, etc.
Unfortunately, toxic leadership is compounded by the Peter principle.
However, absolutely NO civilian organization provides the camaraderie or close friendships that the military builds.
Ucmj is not in civilian life you can leave your civilian job but not the military
LOW Unemployment. When unemployment numbers go above 6% and hover there for longer than 6 months, the services will get their numbers of qualified candidates. When that number stays there for over a year and even increases a few points they will then drop bonuses and waivers for joining.
@@wanderinggeri8477 That's why they keep unemployment high .
@@Lightning613 Have you worked at every job on the civilian sector to know that not a single one of them doesn’t build camaraderie? This has to be one of the farthest reaching takes I’ve seen on RUclips. This man has definitely drank the cool-aid.
Recruiting might be easier if veterans hadn't been treated as disposable for the past 70 years. Why do we cover all medical costs for millionare senators and house reps, but not the people who have been on the front line getting shot at to defend the country? How could anyone be surprised that the smart and capable young people who are wanted by the military look at the situation and opt out? They can make more money and have more free time with a regular job and a mediocre side hustle.
Cannon fodder !
@Brian Daley as the descendant of 2 cavalleggero, a partisan, 1 chief medical Officer (italian on the side of the nazi), plus a few more i cant recall now, i am ashamed of your country just as much as mine, which doesnt even have the figure of the veteran, but at least our health system is much better (one of the best actually).
Not a vet but I work with them often in a medical capacity. Many are proud of their service and enjoy talking about the good old days. Others have ongoing health problems (want a ticket to a herniated back?), mental issues, families that fell apart and relationships ruined. It's important work, but also frustrating, boring, dangerous and then terrifying.
your value as a human being depends on the rank you wear
"Thank you for your service". 🤣🙄
As a veteran, military life was tough and demanding.
Recruiters need to be honest when trying to enlist new recruits. They need to stop sugar coating the military. Tell them the truth. The military is tough but can be rewarding.
When I joined the navy, I was proud to serve and felt I was doing something worthwhile. Fast forward almost to the end of my 6 year contract, and I hate the government more than I ever did before, hate my chain of command, and I feel like the whole thing is just for nothing. As far as the navy goes, we’re not trained to fight wars, we’re trained to pass inspections
My time on an amphib carrier in deck dept boiled down to a four year juvenile detention center sentence at hard labor, except I didn’t do anything wrong.
Mind this me saying this as a tough, patriotic kid who earned the navy good conduct medal, not some snowflake shit bag.
The way they mistreated us and threw us under the bus was deplorable.
Herd that brother
And the fact that you don't understand how those two things are connected makes me glad you're leaving.
I've heard that about the navy from other sources too. That it's so far behind the times it isn't funny. While the air force is modernizing, and putting its pride/tradition at the wayside to innovate and modernize, the Navy is stuck in the past...
And trained to use pronouns now...
2 reasons
1. They turn away possible recruits for small reasons. (I was turned away because of ADHD that was proven to not make any noticeable difference from the next)
2. People won't fight for a system that doesn't care about them. With veteran horror stories being the biggest reason for this
Did they deny you a waiver for ADHD?
@CD-nl9qs yea, they did. I filed 12 appeals as well and had my recruitment officer on my side on my behalf aswell. All of it was overlooked
I have met some sailors that definitely make ADHD look like a risk, but honestly I don't think it was the adhd itself so much as that combined with a lack of morale and work ethic that even people without ADHD have. It's just that those who have ADHD or think they do, in addition to certain professional vices tend to not even try to not have it effect their work or (if they're particulary unaware of the situation) may even try to use their "special disposition" as an excuse for their short comings, and that can spread the impression that ADHD is an operational risk.
From experiance, the military doesn't want to keep people out for unnecessary reasons, especially now, but there are reasons they have the filters they do. I know several sailors lready that have had to get out because their physical health got so bad they couldn't actually work with it being a medical risk, and one girl actually died in bootcamp just trying to pass the PRT bc her recruiter apparently didn't actually make sure she COULD run. She got rolled back so many times for failing just for her heart to give out once she finally made the time.
The military just needs to be smart about how they handle rolling back filters, like having higher quality training that accomodates for people who lack the academic background that enables them to understand and pass A-school training as well keep up with qualifications afterward.
Wouldnt your adhd be perfect for mechanical work or guard post? seeing how focused or bored adhd ppl can get seeing any slight difference would be good right?
Those standards would loosen a lot if Shit Hits The Fan really happens!
My dad was gun-ho on me enlisting right out of high school but he only served briefly. My uncle though was in Vietnam and when I got a chance to talk to him about it when I visited him for the summer, he left for a few minutes and then came back with two beers and told me to sit down. I never really knew why my uncle never talked about Vietnam until that day and to say what he told me shocked me was an understatement. I love him but it was something I never knew, he did say he would help me get to college in other ways and I did graduate in 2021. But I still respect that he was willing to be so open about his experience.
Your uncle probably saved your life, kept you from harms way, maintained a solid mind not affected by the fog and trauma of rich mens proxy wars to get rich. Your uncle did you a solid in having that talk and you are more than likely a much better man because of it.
The fact you don't go into detail about what you heard from your uncle is very scary in itself. I hope one day I can be as valuable to my nephews and nieces as your uncle was to you.
That’s a good uncle. God bless.
Believe your uncle, he's in my age group and I too was in Vietnam 68-69 and he knows what he is talking about.
What’d he say?
I was robbed at gunpoint and when the police officer who showed up refused to write out a police report because he thought I was a bum. But when I said I was an 100% disabled veteran, he said “so what,” and then he added, “who cares?”
So draw your own conclusions.
It is to bad the military made you disabled. If you were not disabled you would have been able to fight off the perpetrators using the fight moves the military taught you.
Fought in Afghanistan. Saw how much they valued all of the sacrifices made by myself and my brothers last year. Now I discourage everyone from joining the military who's thinking about doing so because you are SERIOUSLY just a number and they don't care if you die or lose limb etc.
Sounds like working for Amazon and rich asshole Jeff Bezos.
That's good to know. I am considering joining the Air Force as a pilot, but I do understand that the higher ups might not care about me. I'm considering joining because I love flying machines and I don't really like the idea of a traditional 9-5 job just yet. Nothing is set in stone, but it is something I'm researching.
@@justalpha9138Na officers will be just fine, they get treated 10x better than enlisted as soon as you join. Also depends what airframe you'll get to fly, heavies are better for your civilian career afterwards.
true story
@@Technie87 Honestly, I'd love it if I got the F-35 as it is so freaking awesome, but I probably wouldn't mind flying almost anything that's given to me otherwise except for the Warthog. It's a beast of an aircraft, but not the sort of mission I'd be capable of carrying out. I don't want what happened to my dad to happen to me.
I find it ironic. My brother once tried to join the marines way back just before 2000. They actually wouldn't take him because he was flat foot. Then 9/11 happened. They called him back and he said "I went to college and I got a better job now. Never mind".
They are full of shit , they don’t want to take people because of tattoos
Wow, that was very selfish of your brother. Well, probably for the best. Many real men were available, they didn't need people like that.
I was serving on submarines in 2001. If I hadn't joined yet, I would have joined that day.
I'm center left btw. Biden 2024.
@@neutrino78x They wouldn't take him so he moved on. Is it selfish to seek another opportunity when one door has been slammed in your face? Should he have put his life on hold "just encase" Uncle Sam got desperate and was low on man power?
@@eviljoshy3402
"They wouldn't take him so he moved on. "
That's not what you said at first. You sounded like he never considered the Armed Forces.
"Should he have put his life on hold "just encase" Uncle Sam got desperate and was low on man power?"
No, but you don't join the Armed Forces to get rich. You do it to serve your country. He could have put the other job aside and went to serve his country and go back to the civilian job later.
@@neutrino78x your a peanut
I was having a conversation with a group of fellow NCOs in 2016 and the conversation turned to would we advise our own kids to enlist. Out of 7 NCOs with 10+ years and multiple deployments each, the answer was a hard NO. Not one of us would have told our own children to join or their friends. This one of the major reasons recruitment is failing. The people in and getting out are the best recruiting tool and they arent on the side of kids joining.
Why would you advise against it, if I may ask?
@@comradep8519 I'm against it because I believe young adults can live a more meaningful and happy life without fighting offensive wars overseas. We have not fought a just war with an equal enemy for decades. Every war is with overwhelming military superiority, many times against the locals (civil war), branded as heroism, but actually exist to sell weapons and spend the nations treasure. Blood and treasure paid for profits and dividends in major arms companies, many having directly bought members of the senior leadership in military and government to give them more contracts.
America is not under attack from the outside. We consistently brag about how large our navy and air force is. How our spending is bigger than the next x nations combined. I want my countrymen to live happy, peaceful lives. Bombing people across the ocean who don't even have an air force, does not reflect my values and cannot be called "brave".
I strongly advise against serving because I served.
Do you think that the long term plan of the Globolist may have been to bring us to this point. Exhaust our Military with continuous war under horrible internal conditions. Diminishing our loyalties to our Sovereignty and exhausting us psychologically.
If we have no will to fight. We are easily manipulated by Globalist to do there bidding. Even when it's against our own Country.
The plan for the NWO seems to be playing out.
The Enemy is within and most don't realize it.
NWO= No Constitution = No Bill of Rights = No Sovereignty =No Country
@@centrist3684 I'm European, many people here are wondering when will it stop, because our governments are following the same policy just like dogs following a ball, Europe is about to collapse, your biggest ally, soon you'll have to deal with this too.
I often respond to people arguing about Americans : "they are sick but under treatment" and your comment just proved that. Please hurry to fix your problems with the ennemy from inside because it is destroying a lot of stuff abroad even "allies".
McDonald's: "We have touch screens to take your orders and are working on robots to make the food."
Amazon: "We have robots that retrieve your items and scan to send to the proper address."
Military: "We need more human meat for the slaughter machine!"
Reasons
History class, homeless veterans, untrustworthy politicians, piss poor payment, Terrible leadership and an ocean of organization issues and logistical nightmares.
Also when you live in a country that doesn't give a damn about you as a lower or middle-class person why the hell would you be willing to die for it.
Just remember what happened to small businesses in the pandemic versus big businesses who suckled off the government despite already being well off enough to cushion the blow.
Remember people in power need servants far more than the servants need people in power.
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You make some very good points!
I wish I could give this more than 1like
Young people can get out of poverty through the military. They are the ones most likely to join. This won't change - I think!
@@metalmike570 There are much more peaceful and humane ways to get out of poverty than joining the army and fighting wars for resources or imperialism
Ask any of us vets who joined in the early 2000s and stayed till at least the mid 2010s and saw all rampant stupidity, abuse, incompetency and foolishness juxtaposed against the lessons on loyalty,duty, honor and friendship and growth only to leave the service jaded. I'm grateful for the opportunity the military gave me, the life lessons that helped make me who I am today. At the same time reality of the VA and hit and miss Veteran services post services and lack of mental health and support is a hard pill to swallow. Not to mention I've lost 26 friends to suicide over the lasts 8 years and our children who are now old enough to join and fight have watched it all and want no part of it. The government should focus on better, benefits, and evaluating leadership why espirts de corps has gone to shit.
Been on the Defense contractor side. The level of waste and meetings on how to get the government to pay for something was insane. Yet, the company had all the certs and there was so much paperwork to prevent "waste". I've seen thousands of dollars worth of labor in meetings over a $10 part.
Not to mention all the "Woke" and "BLM", and "GLBT" political bullshit to contend with. 🤨
Joined in 2006. I remember when they let the lgbtcdefg crowd in. Major called a briefing, and I did a lot of push ups. "alright men, they let the g@ys in, just because your flaming doesn't mean the rest of us need to feel the heat". I lost it in the middle of the brief and couldn't compose myself. I was one of the last all male training graduates. Before stress cards and tampons were issued.
Yep
@@thebeesknees745 "Joined the Army to prove to myself I was tough and straight and all I got was this stupid T-shirt" *on the back* AND PTSD!
Considering that the military is an extension of the government, lack of faith in the political leadership that is responsible for directing the military would be a strong factor.
This right here. Faith in institutions is at an all time low. The military being one of the largest institutions and relying on velenteers would feel it the most.
MATTIS 2024
@@c3aloha All Hail Saint Mattis
He has to run as an independent though. No party line shit like how it was intended.
Which is specially true for military. Since as serving active oath sworn military person... Government has A LOT of power over you. They can send you to war, whether you agree with it or not. Only thing limiting it is national policy, laws and politicians. Soldier doesn't get to say "I dislike this war". It is called desertion.
As such.... If people don't trust on leadership to not endanger them needlesly and only send them when it is utmost necessary and other less risky options have been ruled out, well why would one volunteer? Frankly the policy on this should be clear and transparent, but USA keeps it intentional vague to have flexibility. It gives negotiating leverage internationally. Do you agree to X country Y or maybe we should think about sending the marines? Many country would fold just on hint of "they might".... Since USA has no clear military force use policy in such as to count "is that threat real". Since the policy what there is contains a catch all "USA retains right to use military force to protect national interests"..... Which can mean anything the politicians in power at any given moment want it to mean.
For example the part about "US leadership disagrees with policy of conscription". More like the US leadership learned the hard way, the population disagrees with that policy. Since conscription is like that signing up voluntarily trust, but upped to thousand. Since you don't get to choose. It takes a lot of trust in at leadership and political institutions in democratic non oppressive country from the population to agree to conscription. In opressive country, well you don't get a say. Hence why many oppressive regimes can use conscription. It is just another form of oppression population can't do anything about without full revolt.
In democratic conscription country? One has to really really convince and demonstrate to the population, this is why we have to do this, this is how way are going to do it, we will take this seriously, we will take care of the young conscripts entrusted to our command and so on. Otherwise the population would quickly vote out politicians or hold referendum to dismantly conscription.
USA didn't choose to end conscription by politicians. Heck politicians loved draft, since it gave lot of troops easily..... Until battle field casualties numbers among draftees from Vietnam started coming back, the film from Vietnam came back and also people started thinking "Exactly why are Draftees fighting in Vietnam".
Conscription ended in USA, since one pretty much can't use democratic conscript forces for offensive or interventive war without very very good political or ideological backing. Which is why many of the conscription forces still existing in democratic countries are Defence Forces. Outright in name and law. Country agrees to conscription, but both by culture, law and constitution it is made clear "conscripted forces can only be used for national defence purposes". Country doesn't have "armed forces" or "military". It has "defence forces" and for those defence forces people are willing to submit to conscription. Since they know they will be called up only on utmost moment of need and not just for "we want to protect our national INTERESTs"
So given USA active foreign military policy..... They just even couldn't use draftees. Same would happen as happened in Vietnam. Same happened as happened to Soviet Union due to Soviet-Afghan war. Mothers and fathers of conscripts/draftees would revolt and hell hath no fury over mother scorned. Draft dodging galore would happen as happened during Vietnam and frankly as personal opinion... rightly so.
So yeah. Willingness to submit to the deprivation of rights that comes under military discipline very much depends on "how much do you trust the people at the helm of chain of command and with the power to decide on war and peace". Which frankly is as it should be.
The conclusion shouldn't be "there is something wrong with the young people, since they aren't signing up for anymore". It should be "what is wrong with our military, defence and foreign policy, since young people are not willing to sign up as much".
Yeah. I was planning on joining the navy/air force out of college, but I had 0 confidence that the annoying orange wouldn't start WW3.
The reason nobody wants to join the military boils down to one quote:
"Your injuries are not service related"
I'm a veteran 4 reasons why I shouldn't have joined the military:
1. PTSD, it will affect you when you get out, it sucks and makes living harder
2. Miskept promises, the Army says they are going to do everything to make you successful but really they just use you for their ends
3. A discharge can disqualify you from opportunities like reenlistment in other military branches
4. Sacrificing your life for elites, billionaires, politicians, who've never been in the trenches
"use you for their ends" ur in the military dude.
When I was in basic training I saw a recruit be dishonourably discharged.
What had he done?
He'd believed the captain in charge of his barracks about 'my door is always open.'
He wrote a letter complaining about how he was being treated, how it wasn't what he'd been led to expect.
Fine, so maybe he wasn't a good fit from the start.
However, to dishonourably discharge him told every other recruit to trust they would be screwed over.
Should have kept your ass out the recruiting office . Don’t cry about it now . All you can do is stop future idiots from joining.
Number 4 really hits, I’m not a vet but I have my sister who’s in there, who trying to leave, and plenty of people I know who have came and left disappointed.
Those people, the billionaires, politicians, and other people at the top, have everything they could ask for. Yet they send you off to die, to later discard you, and leave you with nothing for your efforts, broken and betrayed.
Why die for a politician who doesn’t deserve it ,and wouldn’t even toss you a single dollar if you needed it?
Why put your body through so much pain and rigorous training when the who you are trying to protect, don’t care for their own workers, their own “rats,” their own soldiers, all of those people under them who do way more work and actually care for others?
Why ruin your mind, go out to return with PTSD that will haunt your life, if those people who enough money to solve all the worlds problems won’t even pitch in for your therapy?
The answer is simple, just don’t at this point. These men and women at the top are greedy, heartless, and lost in their own self obsession. They forgot that we are human and have needs and desires as well. Once it bites them in the back there is a slim chance they will start giving instead of only receiving .
Sorry this got a little long, there are so many problems in the USA that the government should be spending more time and money to fix. But the people in power don’t care about the country, they care about themselves. Gets me goin every time.
God bless you man and I hope your doing alright. Have a good one 🫶🏾❤️🫶🏾
My mother had to personally deal with 2 and 3. She was lucky enough to get a job with health benefits when she got home while my grandparents looked after me and my sister while she was gone.
PTSD is quite an issue. A friend of mine was in the army and was involved in an explosion due to an accident. He saw his friend loosing a leg and he got survivors guilt. Eventually he got discharged. He complained that getting support wasn’t easy and some soldiers used to pick on him for having panic attacks. What’s sad is he genuinely hated leaving the army and it made him feel even worst. There are many veterans who deserve support and PTSD should stop being a stigma.
PTSD is not just physical,it can also be mental and emotional,such as verbal abuse and coersion.Therte is no reason to treat human beings like they have a tail on them by using rank,etc.
@@c2dvr PTSD isnt real
Here's the problem: the better your childhood and Civil life is - the more chances of PTSD you have.
Why was his friend LOOSING a leg? It's not tight enough?
@@michaelmooneyham5406 It absolutely is real.
Each of the reasons you discussed in the video play a part in overall recruitment struggle, but the main answer is rather simple: more people are waking up to the fact that serving in the armed forces is no longer a means of serving your country, but rather serving the economic interests of major corporations and politicians who don't care about you.
And who are jewish and bombing palestians kids
Bingo
Yup, this right here. I got into the Marines before 9/11 happened, by the time I was going into Iraq amongst the first units to enter the country, I had come to the realization that I wasn't serving my country, just some spoiled trust-fund babies in D.C.'s financial interests. What really makes my blood boil is hearing Dick Cheney babble about everything "we accomplished over there"; that fat piece of garbage didn't accomplish a damn thing other than getting even richer off the sacrifices of others.
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@@asbestos226 and tRaNs RiGhtTs
Reasons NOT TO enlist:
- Group punishment for one's mistakes.
- Immense stress.
- Physically demanding (lots of punishments, tasks, high-intensity training).
- Restriction of movement & freedom.
- Living far from home.
- Once joined, you cannot quit like many civilians job. Doing so can lead to legal consequences (the most important).
- Hazing & abusing (mostly by senior soldiers).
- Abuse of power/authority (notable among high-ranking COs).
- The military involves doing risky, dangerous, hazardous jobs and warfare.
- Exposure to violence.
- Being told to do things that u don't like, not familiar with.
If you have understood the military thoroughly and be passionate about it, then joining is OK; otherwise, DO NOT. This is a matter of life decision.
Growing up in the 2000s every service member I've encountered has told me nothing but horror stories about the command, the mission, and how they take care of you afterwards. Sure as hell didn't want to risk my life after hearing all of that for 20 years
That last one is a major one.
We just saw that John Stewart had to help strong arm the republicans to pass a package that would give aid to veterans.
We’ve seen for at least the last two decades how the US treats it’s vets and it hasn’t been good.
Poor mental health aid and just poor aid in general. Healthcare. Job acquisitions. The list goes one.
Not to mention the culture of treating you like trash when you decide it’s time to get out. They’re your buddy until you want to move on. Then they spit on you.
Im amazed anyone signs up to be real.
Im not sure why they’re so against conscription. Personally I think everyone should have to do two year mandatory service. America would be a better place for it.
Opinion on the military went from top gun to jarhead.
The ironic part is that generations of Vietnam servicemen received far better treatment and benefits then previous veterans.
@@serronserron1320 It took over 2 decades for Vietnam veterans to get the treatment they deserved and the military and the VA still tries to short change them.
Same with me in the 1980s. My best friend was a grade above me and went in after he graduated. He was telling me horror stories of how stupid some of the people in charge were. There were still people in the military then who had been drafted during Vietnam and decided to stay in after the war because they were too dumb to hold a job outside of the military. I heard stories of sergeants who couldn't read or write, same sergeants would take credit for other peoples work, physical abuse(which would be fine as long as you could fight back without ending up in the brig), etc. I was thinking that there was no way in hell I was going to go in under someone that stupid because it could get me killed if we ever went to war. I was planning on going to college and possibly going in as an officer but ended up dropping out of college and getting into computers so oh well. They got two of my brothers, one's a Colonel in the Army and another is a Chief Petty Officer in the Navy, as well as a cousin who was in the Marines. They all got sent to either Iraq, Afghanistan, or both like my brother the Colonel. Me and my smart brother and cousin went into the Information Technology field, the rest of my brothers and cousin went into the military.
I'll say one thing from having served: Lack of quality leadership is a MAJOR issue. This video only talks about half of the problem, the other half being the fact that retention rates are also at an all-time low.
Not to mention all the beta wimps.
Politics!
Major Issue *salutes*
Nailed it my friend!
No because nobody wants to die for a country anymore , America going down to shit 🇺🇸
Average high school graduate entry level pay is nowhere near $40K.
It depends on if you have skilled labor. Plus most people that I know out of high school including myself were able to work up to about 14 starting which is around 28k. Not nearly as much but it's not as low as people say it is. Usually the jobs that are paying less than that. No one ever really works at but teenagers. I don't know a single person who makes under 12. And our minimum wage is still $7.25 in this state PA. But if you have skilled labor like an EMT welding construction trades, a few other things at the high school did. There's a few factories that you can make close to 17. Which is ridiculous compared to how much people made in those 40 years ago. You're not going to support a family on 17 or buy a house but. It's also an average because some states have an incredibly high minimum wage like Washington and California. I know New York does. So that raises the average. It doesn't mean they're actually better off. It just means that it raises the middle of the chart.
Got my license to be a blackjack dealer at 18 here in Philadelphia making 32an hour. that was in 2016 maybe your just in a poor state bro.
it is lol u could possibly get up to 70k without experience as long as u aint dumass
Depends on where you live
@@tortoise2022 Lol You clearly demonstrate that this isn't the case.
One of the problems of re-enlistment is how people are treated like crap once they even get out of bootcamp.
OFTEN people in the military come to feel like they volunteered for a prison sentence and can't wait to get out.
Obviously, the military is not going to be easy. But I don't have time to tell many stories of men and women being unnecessarily harassed, disrespected and treated unfairly while they serve.
I served 12 years but did not see any action. After I separated in 92, the US military was turned into the worlds police force. Also, people see how veterans are treated at any number of VA clinics or hospitals. Our men and women serve honorably but our government breaks its promises. Finally, look at the suicide numbers in the military, very high with little or no assistance.
The US military has been the world's police force for over a century now. Truman even called Korea a "police action."
And woke shit.
@@DUKETACTICS333 the "woke shit" wants to change that 💀
In Canada, the VA is encouraging veterans to pursue MAiD, which is assisted suicide.
@@mahbuddykeith1124 hope all VA promoting that does it so nobody will ever say that again
Currently in the Army and counting down the days of getting out. I used to be very gung ho about joining the military. I wanted to serve 20+ years and work my way up the ranks. And while i can say my patriotism and love for my country is still in me, my love for the military and trust in the leadership that run it is long gone.
Upon reflecting on why my current attitude is like this ive reached a conclusion that its because America has changed vastly. And much of it for the worst. I grew up being inspired by stories of soldiers in past wars and all the things they accomplished. Lets face it America doesnt win wars anymore. We are more likely to lose them. Our politicians foolishly meddle in world affairs way too much and get us in needless conflicts and tossing away our lives and never ever giving a shit. Thats right. Its our politicians and our government that has made me dislike the military. And i count higher ranking military officials as politicians. This video explains the reasons fairly well but there is much more im afraid.
Personally, the two biggest reasons why we don't win wars like we used to is that the nature of those we have fought lately has changed dramatically, it is no longer against legitimate countries and militaries but against terrorists that hide amongst civilians, which is not helped by the fact that the people of places like Afghanistan and many other places do not see themselves as a single people, they value tribal and ethnic ties over all else, they cannot be helped, and two is that we have not fought to win since World War II, we could have and should have trampled all over north vietnam, as in bombed Hanoi to smithereens and every other legitimate target.
Join the Army you get to shower with chicks with Dicks and wear a dress.
Sad but true. America hasn't really fought to win a war (or at least reach a good peace) since the Korean War, with the 1991 Persian Gulf War being one possible exception. It's probably a good thing South Korea and Kuwait had their crises when they did, I don't know if our govt and commanders would save them today. There's a reason Russia and China feel emboldened, they sense weakness and lack of will. America is in deep, DEEP trouble.
You and me both brother. I’m on my own way out here in a month. You highlighted everything perfectly
Aww, no more overthrowing governments. How sad 😥
I served almost 8 years active duty in the marine corps and just got out a month ago. One of the big reasons I didn’t re-enlist is because I lost my purpose staying in. With how society is in the US lately got a lot of service members questioning why they’re even serving. I get it. We signed a contract. We knew what we were getting into. There’s a lot more to the story, but this is just one of my reasons.
you're referring to the lgbtQ+ and the affirmative action, critical race theory crap? Or are you referring to the fat, lazy population? Just curious. Or what else?
I stepped on the yellow footprints in the beginning of 2017 and since then the nation has become divided and in a very poor state, today’s America isn’t the same America when I first went in
@Young Ay Your deluded as shit, not everything in the Military is centered around killing, you can become a chef, engineer, medic or a pilot there are multiple jobs in the Military, if you seriously think all the Military does is "mowing down villagers" you need to get your brain checked
- Fellow 16 year old in the Philippines
They make you get the covid vaccine and the forever boosters, too?
As annoying as it might be by now, I still thank you for your service.
I'm sure it gets tiring hearing/ reading it.
@Young Ay less than 1 percent of the military ever discharge a weapon in a combat situation so that is a damn near guarantee you wouldn't be doing that
I was in the top 10% of ASVAB scores at 18 almost a decade ago... I didn't enlist for the following reasons:
1. Favoritism is out of control
2. Recruits are generally treated like trash with no reguard for their mental health
3. Leadership is a bad joke
4. I had no interest in defending American 'interests' namily big oil and potentially killing people over that.
5. Poor pay
7. Rapidly dropping # of benefits once I got out.
8. Sexual assult is still rampent
(All of these reasons provided to me by Veterans when I asked for advice)
Being online, I have talked with a lot of people who are currently in the armed forces. All of them say the same thing. Every single one regrets joining up, and their ages range from 20-26. On youtube i see many veterans tell stories of how incompetent their superiors are. Patriotism died when the whole world went online. My grandfather served in Vietnam and when i mentioned the possibility of joining up his face went pale. For being the greatest economic power, and spending so much on our armed forces we treat them like garbage. A Patriot defends their countries ideals not their government’s.
My dad served in Vietnam purple heart bronze star. When I wanted to join up I've never seen my father's attitude switch so fast and want nothing to do with it and pretty much forbid it.
@@seanlanglois8620 He knows that his son could die because of some corrupt political game which only goal is to serve war economy not freedom or anything good. Nowdays its so dirty politics and morale is very low for a good reason.
@@seanlanglois8620 Because he knows that the military is equivalent to the mafia and doesn't want his son to end up being a criminals working for other criminals (politicians)
i regret the army so much. I loved the army up until 2020. Watchin afghan fall, watching the gay woke commercials, and being forced to be vaccinated and still wear a mask 24/7 were textbook reasons why i regret ever putting on the ocp uniform. Ever
Our Government represents our Counties ideas. Make sure you always vote.
I think a lot of us who served are now advising our kids not to. When I was an NCO, one of my soldiers was from a family with a long history of service. His mother, father, sister, and brother all served. He and his brother both self terminated. Now a family with a history of service has implemented a policy of discouraging service.
I was in the Army from 2001 to 2007. I did not feel well served or supported by the systems that were built to keep us mentally and physically healthy. I also felt that, by and large, leadership ranged from incompetent to willfully malicious, with rare exceptions. Most of my friends who stayed in say it’s only gotten worse. I will not be encouraging my kids to join.
That's a depressing story, but this is something that is rarely addressed. You always hear about PTSD but you never hear about the young Americans who sign up, find out they were totally lied to and feel zero achievement when they realize their entire life goal was a sham, and end up harming themselves and/or others. Almost every single veteran I've met, whether co-worker or friend, has more than one account where they witnessed, walked in on, or otherwise heard about men in their company who took their own lives without ever being deployed anywhere.
The war machine has taken over and the new generation of young Americans who would have likely served are slowly realizing that enlistment isn't worth it.
Well, that's what happens when good people go around the world to fulfill some psychopaths wishes to maim and murder as much as they can with no real nor honest justification to do so.
Also, there's a lot Americans have to say for their soldiers feeling bad about the things they had to "go through", but have you ever EVER tried to understand, realize, fathom, empathize with the horrors your government spreads around the world? Especially to the most vulnerable, poor, miserable souls already suffering in their day to day? Has any body in the American political or other decision making body ever been able to appreciate that it's not just American lives that matter? Or is the rest of the world just a barbaric hoard of animals to bomb and hunt as the industrial military complex sees fun to do? It's ironic how much animal lives matter to so many Americans when it comes to treating them ethically but where is the morality when they force their own general public to destroy nations, societies; other human beings for the whims and wishes of a select few elite and their coffers? Just a little to think about. And may be a love letter for the American people to implode as a society so that may be the rest of the world can cooperate with each other and pull each other out of the economic, environmental and ethical mess we are in and hopefully take a breather from your viles and vices. *Fingers crossed but won't be holding my breath*
Everything woke turns to shit. And the military is definitely woke as shit
“those who escape hell
however
never talk about
it
and nothing much
bothers them
after
that.” -Charles Bukowski
@@thevashfan12392 that's quite cowardly, wouldn't you say? When it's time to say dumb mottos and slogans as part of the army guys make a whole show for it, but when it's time to actually talk about what a horror it is and how vital it is to come up with some other alternative, being silent seems like the thing to do? No one fights off their demons alone. The only way I know to overcome them is to actually serve other people who deserve it. Not bs psychopathic governments and their bottle feeders. Care for the people and life forms no one cares for. That's the only thing that makes sense any more.
Most of my platoon mates and I got out for the same reasons. Toxic leadership, lack of opportunity to go to elite schools, being used as free labor for menial tasks under the guise of "readiness", outdated training and harmful equipment (see POS IOTV), and generally being regarded as incompetent for being a private with little training because our leaders were too lazy to do any real training other than tired old battle drills and scripted field problems. The result, promising young soldiers who could have done great things in the organization opted for a civilian career instead. Most, including myself, are now well paid tech workers or tradesmen living a good life. Something that we didn't see as possible in the army. I think NCO's and higher leadership need to remember that it's an all volunteer force so you have to show soldiers that they made a good choice and show them a future in the organization, because while we may have signed a contract, there ain't shit keeping us from leaving.
What about smile training?
Young people want to learn 3 thing at a high level . Follow instructions , work with others , complete a assignment . Yelling at a service person gets a little tiring . Do service personal have the communication skills to achieve this . All the best .
What will you do when there is no on left to defend that right since you're a cowardly generation?
@@Go_for_it652 It's not up to the service to teach that. They aren't your mommy.
free labor? pretty sure you earned a wage as an enlisted. How they chose to use that labor is up to them.
Vietnamese here. Had you sent Emma and her 2 moms, it wouldn't have taken us 30 god damn years :(
I've been a teacher for 20 years and a lot of the things folks are saying here can be said about the education system, too.
When leaders are chosen according to a check list of hoops that they've jumped through, you will often have people in those positions who couldn't lead anyone out of a wet paper bag.
My sincere appreciation to all the vets out there.
i dont like veterans.
they take hundreds of billions out of our paycheck in taxes at gun point to fund the machine they wilingly volunteered for.
There are people who couldn't lead anyone out of a room with no walls.
El U.S. presidente Brandon comes to mind right away.
Low pay, unruly students, angry idiot parents and bloated administrators.
Love how leadership asks, “why are our numbers so low for reenlistment?” Then never look at themselves but blame the economy doing better.
Botched bonuses and pay issues that never get properly resolved
Poor morale
Micromanaging to the extend that a professional Soldier is no more than a child in daycare.
Let’s not forget the absolute shitty mental/physical medical help.
'Micromanaging to the extend that a professional Soldier is no more than a child in daycare.'...... Damn you hit it man..... They are petrified you will somehow make them look bad... Sad!
My commander blamed congress. My commander also flirted with his secretary while his wife took care of his kids at home. He also ignored issues and blamed his people instead of accepting any accountability.
But sure, congress is the issue (and i’m no fan of congress).
@@Carosmyr Lacking faithfulness in your partner while being enlisted seems like a common trope
@@silversheep7369 it was - thats true
Because the boot licking military leadership never pushes back on the politically correct BS the politicians shove at them. They're all so lickspittle it doesn't matter how it impacts force readiness they're all just "yes sir, yes sir, three bags full sir!"
when I was in secondary school (highschool) I wanted to be a Royal Marine (still do), but after watching the fall of Afghanistan in 2021, just before I was going to sign up, I lost my confidence in the British and American Military. The shear amount of negligence from the top ruined my idea of what the military stands for and what they are capable of. It made me rethink my plans, and so now I'm going to university next month, and I'm hoping that the military will regain my trust by the time I graduate (4 years), otherwise I might never join.
You're not joining
I would recommend looking into Intelligence Government Agencies (FBI, CIA, Homeland Security etc.) I suppose for you it would MI6? Still get to defend the country, just differently.
@@xavierperez6739 MI6 (and other such agencies) have fluency in multiple languages as part of the job requirements and unless you're specifically going for language studies in the UK you aren't passing that goal on your own
@@xavierperez6739 It's questionable who they are actually protecting and what they really stand for , but the federales get nice paychecks.
I did my university course with a Royal Marine, I came to uni one day with a Lemon Curd sandwich. The man threatened to beat me to death with it if I did it again.
Funny as fuck.
I was a fat E-4 for 3 years straight. All of a sudden they change the pt test and said you can only stay an E-4 specialist for so long and then you have to move up in rank or get out. All I’m gonna say is they want athletic kids who aim to be leaders. Plus, they want to inject you with all kinds of shots, because you’re a number to them, a goddamn guinea pig. I’m glad recruiters are having a hard time; they can’t feed that bullshit they spout to anyone that wants to listen.
The shots are mostly things that you will have already had in your life anyway (standard immunizations that you have to have as a precondition for attending school), with the exception of smallpox, which nobody in the normal world ever gets anymore (on account of smallpox no longer existing).
I was a member of the National Guard way back when. I went on active duty, ostensibly for six months of training (180 days) but was released back to my home unit in 178 days. I thought this was great until, as a company clerk, I came across a regulation stating that a soldier must serve a minimum of 180 consecutive days on active duty in order to be eligible for veterans' benefits. I talked to many of the members of my battalion and, guess what? Every one of them was released from active duty in 178 days, which meant none of us were eligible for veterans' benefits. That is one reason almost no guardsmen ever re-enlist when their six years of service is completed.
Obviously serving in the national guard isn't comparable to working in a warehouse (unless I'm wrong) but your experience sounds eerily similar to managers scheduling their workers for 39 hours a week as to not have to give them full time benefits.
@@drakor98 So you all got no clue
why the Military cant recruit well?
People learn about the Military and then hate it. They google War-Crimwes and more importantly: they watch videos like "Drone-Strikes?!" by 'Some More News' and "The US doesnt meddle in Foreign Affairs" by 'Second Thought'.
If you got a DD214 regardless of reserve or guard status you can receive VA benefits
@@hueyrotorhead I have a friend served in the Marine Corp reserves. I went with with him to the VA he was told he didn't serve enough time and isn't eligible for benefits. We looked up his records I don't recall how ma y months he served but it wasn't enough to get VA benefits.
@@hueyrotorhead Wrong.
Heinlein said it best when making the case for eliminating the draft in Starship Troopers: if you can't find enough volunteers willing to fight for your country, then your country isn't worth fighting for
There are exceptions imo. Regardless of what you're doing you're never going to get the massive % of the population required to join the military at some point that you might need as a small country facing a giant on home turf.
I'm sure the amount of willing soldiers rose a lot in Finland in 1939 when the Soviets came knocking, but raw recruits with a gun are barely any good even in defensive operations and even bare minimum training takes time. But since Finland had a lot of veterans from it's civil war and conscription they could get somewhat trained soldiers in larger numbers than normal.
Finland before the intensification of the Ukrainian war had a reserve large enough to match the Russian standing army from a country slightly over 5m.
The US fundamentally is pretty much impossible to invade and is only somewhat considering conscription for imperialistic ambitions though.
can you give me one example in the last 50 years of America fighting an existential threat of another power invading our sovereign territory@@Anonymous-zu7dh
@@Anonymous-zu7dhbraindead take
truer words could not be spoken, Just look at the sht show the U.S has become.
@@goldcoastelectricool7381 Yeah. Why wouldn't straight white males (military bread and butter) fight for a country that HATES them?
baffling for sure
Former Submariner here. I wish I could have 5 years of my life back. The modern military is a soulless corporate machine to serve under. Woke culture sounds like a cop out but makes you feel less like a warrior dealing with real threats and more like an office worker with a toxic HR representative
Perhaps stop having the likes of General Milley and Llyod Austin demonizing white males for political points. Who wants to join an organization where your career could end overnight with an allegation of misconduct and a staff that sees you as expendable and not worth fighting for?
As a fellow brother of the phin: hard same
The HR Karenocracy, in public, private and military life, is the foundation of all "woke" culture. Sexually unfulfilled middle aged cat ladies are currently running the empire and it shows.
At least when dealing with toxic woke culture your not as likely to be shot at, be given PTSD, or end up injured in a training accident.
If you want to serve join the police or fire department or the medical field. The hours are generally better then being deployed for months, you can quit whenever you want if it's too much so long as they aren't short handed or something, and your not as likely to meet a terrible end as only a small number of cases, accidents or fire's are like what you see in the movies thank goodness.
@@zebjensen4251 may I introduce you to the fact that depth charges exist and my fear of thunder?
When I, an Electrical Helper/Apprentice has an income of $30k at entry level. I asked my Marines co-worker who makes a bit more than me as a higher level Electrical Apprentice, how much he was being paid as an Infantrymen. He told me he had a salary of $22,000 yearly, because the military paid for food and housing which he had to share and wasn’t really housing it was barracks. That’s really low pay, an Infantrymen in the MARINES! Gets paid $8k-$12k less than me yet they have a more dangerous and demanding job?! That’s crazy and from that, I definitely said that explains why no one wants to join.
Well, it's pay and benefits. Sure, there are Barracks, but most today isn't a whole lot different than college dorms and there is no rent or utilities to pay for, unless you want to live out on the economy. When he said his pay, was he talking about base pay or total pay? There are a LOT of various pays servicemen can be qualifies for.
Meals are generally free or low cost - depending, all medical, dental and optical is free, so are gyms, pools etc. discounted movies on a lot of bases, commissaries and to a point, exchanges have discounted prices and no sales tax - in short, it's the benefits that evens that score. Then add others like military discounts, military credit unions and USAA.
Watching the fall of Afghanistan, seeing how toxic and divided we started to behave during covid was some of the biggest reasons why I left.
Really? How many years in?
Well, it's good you left a genocidal army that kills many many innocent people and sweep the fact under the rug
Are you supposed to keep America "safe" or conquer the world?
Honestly, between that, pretending that it never happened at all, plus all the bullshit that I was dealing with in Korea, let’s just say I had enough of the army and wasn’t re-enlisting when they asked
@@puzzleface7425 what happened in korea? You can't leave us hanging...
Another thing that happened in the start of 2021 was the fall of Kabul. You can’t blame young people for being distrustful about the army and it’s mission after a 20 year war ended in such a catastrophic failure.
People see that and think “why did you risk your life for nothing”?
who says it was for nothing? you got paid, you got a free degree, you got job training, you're showing your patriotism, joining the service is a job, not a servitude, doesn't matter where they send you, it's still just a job with risks no matter what failures the job will have
@@mmoarchives2542 Yeah and who runs Afghanistan now?
@@envysart797 no one has over controlled afghanistan, only attempted control
@@mmoarchives2542 I think we spent a lot of lives and money on that “attempted control” for absolutely no value.
I’m not complaining about “showing your patriotism” but there’s other ways to “show patriotism” other than trying and failing to maintain control over Afghanistan. It was pointless.
And yeah they pay for your degree but I mean… in most countries they pay for your degree even if you don’t join the army? So the army isn’t even a necessary part of that?
@@mmoarchives2542 The USA is such a bozo country and your comment proves it lmao. Imagine going overseas to potentially die, making life worse for the people whose country you are actively occupying so billionaires can make a buck and then justifying it by saying you get a degree and money and by calling it “”patriotism””.
How about taking some of the money from the military (which is obviously being wasted) and using it to fix up your broken public education and healthcare system? But noooo then you won’t be able to police other countries
The fact that I made my entire life's goal and purpose for the entirety of my childhood and adulthood revolve around joining the military, only to get out after just under 4 years and not look back should tell you something.
I was *literally* GI Joe as a teen and my entire persona was basically joining the military. I was a total dork obviously, but the fact remains that outside the Infantry, what the Army is becoming is... bad.
why did you left bro ?
The infantry is still problematic.
@@sol9603 my unit was incredibly abusive. In the process of “training” us all they did was break us.
@@deebo9981 I’m sorry bro’. If you need to talk, I’m here man.
@@sol9603 I appreciate you. I’m over it now, it was a very difficult time, but luckily I got 100% from the VA along with my friends, our unit was investigated by the SGM of the Army of abuse of troops, AngryCops actually made 2 videos about it.
Best group of guys I ever worked with, but the worst fucking leadership imaginable. On the level of coming back from the field and instead of letting guys go home to their families after cleanup, our CO made them sleep outside the building on the grass until almost 5PM the next day.
Another big reason. Afghanistan. It's abandonment with the billions of dollars worth of weapons left there exposed as fact what Major General Smedley Butler said., "War is a racket". All those wasted lives on all sides. Such shame, such humiliation.
I'm a recently retired(2020) Navy Fire Control. I think the biggest hindrance in recruitment is the military not clearing up misconceptions of the military.
I didn't get sent to s ship straight out of recruitment training. Instead, I got sent to a school to learn electronics, radar principles and theory, and troubleshooting. I have not seen any commercials touting specialty field available in any branch that might attract those looking for job experience and education. Aircraft Mechanics, IT, Gas Turbine Techs...sell the jobs and those wanting to work will come
As a corpsman,
We give wayyyy too many folks a view of the navy that is “either/or” instead of being honest. I remember a recruit telling me when I was at the swim test unit that he had a contract to become a SARC (he genuinely believed this because they threw him in with the HSLD kids) and of course he just had an HM contract.
He didn’t even get orders to go to BRC…because they needed SO IDC’s at that moment. Ended up at Great Lakes which I am sure was depressing.
The royal Dutch military has been doing exactly this the last year... Advertising the military as a small civilization needing their own cooks, IT-specialists, mechanics, electricians, logistical planners, you name it. And they've been targeting all young people heavily with social media ads, right where the youth is at... It certainly changed my mind about the military. And I would definitely enlist because of that ad campaign if I wouldn't value my life so much. It takes courage to place the values of your country and the lives who live within it, above your own life...
(Edit) here's one of those ads, for example: ruclips.net/video/-tGiXltUXKI/видео.html
Retired in 2020. The training tanked while I was in. Early 2000’s we spent a ton of time training. Get thru all the schools get to your boat and then the training really begins. By 2019 contractors did most of the troubleshooting and repairs. Sailors cleaned and learned about LGBT issues. I am so glad to be out of that shit show. Also changes to the retirement system means a mid career sailor can take their 401k and walk. That pension kept me around a number of times.
In a world of nonstop internet access this should not be an issue...if the pool of potential recruits have any sense whatsoever.
good point
My dad recently retired from a 20 year career in the Marines. Per his contract, he was supposed to get free healthcare and college for the rest of his life for signing up for a minimum of 2 years of service. Also those same benefits would be given to his wife and kids after a minimum of 4 years.
After 20-ish years of military service, he's the only one getting those benefits because he initially signed up for 3 years and 11 months. Despite 20 total years, that initial enlistment was a month short so me and my siblings get nothing. My parents never saved up for college or anything because they were relying on my family getting my dad's veteran benefits so that screwed us all financially. I've talked to other military members (current and former) and they all tell that this kind of loophole is a fairly common thing for the military.
When an organization chews its members up and spits them out like that, then my opinion is that they have no right to wonder why more people aren't signing up. If I had ever considered enlisting, that 3-year-11-month thing would've convinced me not to. They'll spend $1.6 billion on recruiting campaigns but skimp out on the promises they've made to people that have already recruited and served their time.
You are not making sense about
Free education for you and your mom.
@@anthonylombardi4168 depending on how many years you do, I think you could get schooling for you or an immediate family member
@Raul Arellano well, if you could shoe me the regulation on this I would appreciate it.
@@anthonylombardi4168 I’m not too sure tbh I’m not in the service for the education nor do I care, im just doing my four years and getting out
So I can’t “shoe” you that 😂 💀
@@raularellano297 then why did you post that! Lol. I am retired from the Army. In no way is there a program that you sign for that does that. You can transfer your gi bill post 911 to kids and spouse There is voc rehab from the VA if you qualify.
And there is scholarships depending on states. As well as free college for vets states depending. And for spouse and kids depending on vets status. But no program from the Army itself that I am aware of.
Military: *treats soldiers like sh*t*
Soldiers: *leave*
Military: Surprised Pikachu face
Everyone is missing the root cause. "Only 23% of Gen Z are actually ELIGIBLE to join the military." Why? Because: can't pass ASVAB or officer testing, out of shape/can't pass military fitness requirements, anxiety/depression, drugs, can't receive security clearance, and medical issues. Military software now flags more recruits due to medical issues.
Bottom line: Movies and money aren't going to help if Gen Z is too lazy and not smart enough to make the cut in order to join. Most of them still live at home and have no inclination to assert independence from their parents. This is a parenting issue and not to mention family heritage of serving has all but died.
"why aren't you re enlisting? We're already giving you a 5 dollar bonus!"
Imagine seeing a 20 year war in which the same “bad guys” took the county back? It’s almost as if the controllers didn’t care?
That’s how I ended getting OTH during Boot Camp, my Sargent was a bøøtlicker and very Far Right. The reason why he hated me was cause(get this) I was watching Cartoons Ed Edd n Eddy, he demanded to change it to some Duck Dynasty or Ted Nugent. I was mistreated both verbal and physical assaulted, and he made death threats. After getting a recording and showing it to an officer and the MPs, he got deranked and arrested.
I wouldn’t call it PTSD but I still have nightmares and flashbacks during that time in the marines. Also a hatred towards the Right-Wings.
@@DoctorDestyNova Did you go to Iraq or Afghanistan? No, then you shouldn't talk.
I got an undergrad degree, went to work in ESL 20yrs ago in South Korea, hung out with the soldiers. Every night in Seoul (after drinks) I would hear from the enlisted boys "I should have just been an English teacher." Our quality of life was far better (we didn't have a curfew -- and seriously, curfew for adults?).
Got a master's later on, went to work in the Middle East (as a civilian DoD contractor). In Bahrain, hung out with soldiers. Every night, after buying them a drink, after they heard what our salaries were as contractors "Damn I should have just been a civilian contractor". Our quality of life was far better, our salary was 3-5x theirs, and we didn't have a curfew.
I'm only telling you what I hear from the soldiers themselves. Being treated like an adult child while being sent to the other side of the world to defend "allies" is sh*t. Ask anyone who served in Iraq or Afghanistan if they felt hat anything they did actually mattered. And the horror stories these guys tell about getting screwed over...
At no point "defending your country" should mean "shipped to bumble-f*ck-istan" in 125F to fight a war with tribal illiterate savages.
I am a Desert Storm Marine vet. My children followed in my footsteps and let me tell you the military is giving them hell. I raised my children to be responsible and patriotic and they actually looked forward to joining the marines. My daughter is constantly being threatened by her command to be kicked out because of her weight. My daughter works out and packs good muscle mass for a female. She has a high pft but to the military they don't care. She's not fat but because of the infamous BMI, they say she is though it's obvious she's a gym rat. The way she talks she sounds like she has PTSD dealing with the toxic leadership. She and my son can't wait until there term is up. So as long as the military conducts business like they are now, there will be no military in the future. And good luck on mandatory service. These younger generations would rather go to jail than join and that's says something. Things definitely have to change.
Yeah, I laugh at the threat of a new draft. It would be filled with no shows.
I would hope that her being a gym rat would factor in for the command...
tell her to finish her time, get out and seek a career in law enforcement or department of corrections where you actually get decent pay
Rather go to jail? When I graduated high school, I contacted an Army recruiter...
Then I did some basic math and realized sticking with, and becoming a manager, at a retail job would pay me better... And I wouldnt be being shot at either.
I guess I'm unpatriotic. Lol
@@historypaul1657 no, that doesn't mean your unpatriotic . Just means you counted the cost.
I have an uncle who did 2 tours in Vietnam, has a body full of Agent Orange and several diseases related to AO. The VA has been denying any of those diseases are service related for at least 40 years. A friend was seriously injured in the Marine Barracks bombing in Beirut. He suffers from PTSD, and the psych doctor he went to see at the VA told him to stop being a pussy. My cousin's youngest son did 2 tours in Afghanistan, had a bunch of emotional issues, was again told by another psych doctor to man up. He committed suicide. I enlisted in the Air Force in 1974, 3 weeks into basic I started to get severe abdominal pains. Was told I was a pussy and was not going to get out of PT. I was bent over double, my TI insisted I do pushups. 3rd pushup my appendix burst. A month in the hospital, I was given a ticket home and an honorable discharge. My TI suffered no consequences. Who in their right mind would volunteer?
it is completely different from ‘74 to 2023💀 the implemented new tiles for drill sergeants and is NOTHING like how it used to be
@@anaira8483 Yeah well I don't think some of us are willing to test that theory out
Conscription systems are okay, but we should draft women too
@James Gartland
“James” account is FAKE.
He’s a paid troll from Russia who posts LIES about American servicemen he’s never met.
His objective is to make the U.S. military look bad, but we caught you in your lies, Commie Comrade.
I trained at a VA as a Psychiatric resident. I never told a PTSD sufferer to "man up." I always enjoyed taking care of my Vets.
Honestly, with over 20 years at war, the current pool of enlistees are completely divorced from the reason GWOT is even a thing. I've been active for over 18 years in some of the most deployed units in the Army and served as a recruiter during the Surge, where I saw a steady disenfranchisement with U.S. foreign policy amongst the general population. The fact is that the people who are still driven to fight the war are those carry overs who have been personally affected by enemy combatants in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, and other DTAAC/ODTAAC areas. There's not a definative mission for the military to measure success against and the perception is that by joining now, you're submitting yourself to the meat grinder of forever war.
Enlist to fight a war that's older then you are and battle against something.
The GWOT smelt of shit back when it started now its even worse.
Not just the meat grinder of a forever war, but a meat grinder forever war that is only going to benefit the selected officials with ties to arms manufactures. Like Liz Cheney :D
that was rumsfeld's mess, he had 0 regard to the lives on the battlefield, his attitude was that all soldiers were expendable and took away body armour just to save a buck for his oil buddies
@Austin Fox All wars come to an end sooner or later. It's the nature of the particular war that determines its longevity.
Did anybody think at the beginning that this GWOT would last only a month...or a year? Try a generation or two.
We're fighting an ideology that's been building up steam for a couple of centuries at least. Modern technology has afforded it the means to openly wage war on us. Western liberalism has opened the door for its infiltration into our societies. But what exactly lies at its core? What does it espouse?
It espouses hatred for any values that run counter to its own (free expression; gender equality; etc.), and wants to impose its system on the world. 9/11 was its formal declaration of war.
If ever there were a war we MUST fight and win, this one is it. The alternative would be unthinkable.
@@mmoarchives2542 Bitch did you forget that Liz Cheney's dad was Vice President for two terms WHILE being the head of Halliburton ? You know the same company that was in charge of supplying the military with everything from jets to MRE's ...fuck outta' here with the "ACTSHUALLY... it was all Rumsfeld" bullshit . Rumsfeld played ball but Liz's dad Dick Cheney made the most bank from that 20 year clusterfuck in the sandbox.
Probably because how difficult it has gotten to join. I’m sure the vast majority of the people in our military right now have lied about something on their background checks or meps in order to join.
To be brutally honest, no force in the entire world pays their regular soldiers enough to comfortably raise a family, let alone the problems from basically dumping raising the kids on one partner if there is deployment. Recall also in Iraq deployments were extended further straining families. In the United States, there is the disaster of young men and women barely experienced in life making rapid decisions to marry and have kids just before and while serving in the military, leading to the military becoming an effective engine for creating broken homes and families.
e6 staff sergeant with 8 years makes 4k a month base pay. That's 48k in base pay. Plus housing allowance between 20,000 and 35,000 a year plus a food allowance and health/dental and lots of benefits. Add it all up and it equals about 100k a year between base pay, housing allowance, food allowance, benefits
You can easily raise a family in the US military. There are huge benefits to doing so actually.
I laughed at the ones who got married young in the army. So fucking stupid, but what can you tell a 18 year old that thinks he’s god’s gift to man. Let them figure out the hard way.
@@hannibalthe1st565 Yeah but those guys have it from the old times. Military be idiots have been cut in half for juniors, pay is peanuts
As a Veteran of the US Army...can confirm.
This is what happens when people lose faith in their government. Why would someone join if their government will discard them as soon as they come back an empty version of themselves after what they've been through? Our country can't even take care of our veterans anymore, they don't care about fixing our infrastructure. If they don't fight for their own citizens anymore, why fight for them?
The past 2-3 years, I'm seeing more and more people losing faith in our political system, and both parties. I hope things get better, but it's going to be very hard for us to maintain recruitment so long as people don't have anything to believe in.
Negative. It is because for the last decade, only 30% of US 18-21 year olds can meet even basic enlistment requirements, down from 70% through the 70’s, 80’s, and 90’s. So what is different now? The standards haven’t really changed.
@@blackhawk7r221 those puberty blockers clearly have an impact
We have an enemy occupation force pretending to be a legitimate government and won’t be voting or way out.
I joined the Army during the 90s drawdown. I resigned after a tour in Iraq. Misusing the military has consequences. Those consequences are amplified when a society is incapable of producing sufficient recruits.
Is as bad when the military in unable to train reliable troops, as they had in the past. I have seen how they have become lenient, just to keep any from dropping out, by not feeling included.
The idea is to make them understand, they are training to be in a fight for their life, and their enemy, is not going to care or be nice to them if they are not up to the task. They will eat a person alive, if they can't fight back as hard.
Numbers are good. But a well trained soldier is far better.
I know this. Had a group of eight with guns, try to take out one guy who was trained in gun combat. After six attempt, and a 100% loss rate, it is clear. Good training is far better than mere numbers.
@@christopherking541 so long as you have ammunition yea agreed. if the enemy has more warm bodies than you have ammo you are fucked regardless.
Exactly! Everyone is missing the root cause. "Only 23% of Gen Z are actually ELIGIBLE to join the military." Why? Because: can't pass ASVAB or officer testing, out of shape/can't pass military fitness requirements, anxiety/depression, drugs, can't receive security clearance, and medical issues. Military software now flags more recruits due to medical issues.
We've got a lot of softies
@@keepthechange2811 Soft bcuz their parents raised them to be that way.
Being a 17 year old who had some interest in joining the military before, I'll give some of what i had going through my head that made me rethink it
Lying recruiters - In recent years, soldiers and veterans have made it very apparent on social media that recruiters will lie to hell and back to try to get you to join.
Veterans are treated horribly, and I, for one, don't think that i could deal with the shit i hear some vets deal with.
Afghan withdrawal - I saw recently that someone who partook in the Afghan withdrawal had to leave some of his equipment behind, and recently, he was told that he would have to pay for it. Now, im not 100% certain that it is legitimate, but from what ive found, it seems about right.
Then there's the rest of fighting for a country that couldn't give a shit about its citizens, corrupt leadership, unclear messages, and pointless wars. I dont want to fight a war for the interests of the top 1% of the population
Apart from 90% of my formerly known military friends being downright unhappy, suffering mental effects of violence, a lack of trust in US military directive not being driven by politics, a lack of trust from having been involved in "wars that didn't happen", a general lack of trust... Ok, I lost my train of thought, but you get the idea.
I'm serious. My opinions about service were formed by Vietnam veterans, Marine Force Recon Scouts who collected ears, Army Ghost Squadron Ship Gunners who participated in imaginary events and recognized horrific ones. Being a Scout, being involved in VFW's, having family who had served... What I saw was broken souls and bitter distrust. My grandfather was a Navy communications officer on a submarine, a merchant marine, and other Radio operations that might require. P-51 and outright secrecy...... By the time he may have told stories, by the time I went to be a caretaker for him he was no longer lucid, but the items told stories. I will never again see, nor want to, the images of immediate post-Nagasaki bombing I found on old, thick postcards. I might mention I have never again seen the like of them either.
Yeah, Top Gun made me want to be a pilot, and I scored high enough on the ASVAB to do it, regularly stalked by AF recruiters in the arcade..... But I saw a problem of trust I couldn't reconcile, was a cocky little shit, and didn't want to give in to the man and cut my hair..... I've been bald since I was probably 25. I still regret not joining, truthfully, but I recognize my suspicion as legitimate..... even later founded.
I’ve been in about 10 years, a mix of guard and active duty, enlisted to officer, and now I’m itching to get out. The only good thing I got was a degree and some financial security, but it came at the cost of injuries and my mental health. I’ve never gotten the job or the duty stations I’ve ever wanted because Needs of the Army. Good leaders are out there but they’re a minority. You can potentially be successful but it’s rare, the system doesn’t care about you, it will use you till you break
I reupped for a year, the next day, trainsg3nder training. I am just counting the days so I can get my bonus.
@@mikethedick woah that will surely help protect us!
@@mikethedick I have several trans and intersex friends and relatives both in and out of service, if it’s not your deal then getting out may be the best course of action for you
@@Joyride37 dude.. transgender "training" has no place in the military.. soldiers have no need for the woke nonsense
@@Joyride37 male and female are the only genders, this madness needs to stop.
As a marine corps veteran, the military is not worth joining. There is so much more to life than serving a broken system.
as a Marine Corps Veteran, i completely agree lmao it’s not worth it whatsoever
Same with army
@@gmailacct9496as an army vet I completely agree
What occupations do veterans have after leaving the military ?
@@Vis4vendetaaa If you know of one, let us know.
I don't even think mandated serving would help. Most would rather go to prison than serve. We see our veterans get treated like crap daily
@melynn_0355 : My brother said outright he would go to prison before he would ever get involved with the military. I was drafted. Today I wish I had never registered with the local draft board. What will they do to me. Send me to Vietnam?
I ended up there anyway!
Watched my father in law carry on conversations with his dead Vietnam buddies for years while trying to drown them in whiskey, all while being constantly given the runaround by VA for the most basic needs. Had teachers with nerve disorders and unpronounceable respiratory issues because of Iraq-I talking about how lucky they were compared to all their homeless friends. Then watched everybody I went to school with who got sucked in during the Bush years and everything that followed get just as screwed up and screwed over. Kids have seen three generations in a row chewed up and spat out by their country. Why would they ever want to serve that?
The illusion is gone, and I can’t be mad at the kids for being sharp enough to see past the parades and flyovers.
That's all rather odd, because the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of people who enlisted in the Bush years...never got anywhere near combat.
@@petebondurant58 Burn pits aren't a frontline hazard...
Or, in slightly less words, young people are less dumb than they used to be.
Kids those day are not smarter, like the man said there not even qualified because they're too fat or so stupid that they commit minor crimes.....
I would join to protect my country, that is the only reason why. Modern day Iraq and Afghanistan is doing nothing
I'm a vet. I came from an ignorant mountain region with little prospects. Service very much improved my lot in life. That being said, knowing what I was serving for, the values and motivations of essentially everything that is propagated, I would have rather stayed home. There is no honor in that line of work anymore. If you do it, you do it in the spirit of a shameless mercenary. 0311 USMC honorable discharge.
What do you mean by this? I’m not trying to start a fight, I’m just curious.
@@paulcarmi8130
Read USMC General Smedley Butler's pamphlet, "War is a Racket" to get an idea.
This former 0341 agrees with you. I proudly served, then. I would not serve now. I would not encourage my grandsons to serve.
Some politicians/political pundits openly admitted that their main reason for opposing student debt relief was because it would hurt recruitment. They want a population with limited prospects to maintain the military industrial complex. Absolutely sickening on their part but completely understandable on your part.
I’m sorry you’re going through that. I thank you for your service either way.
Former Army Captain here. I'm proud to have served but if I had to do it all over again, I think I would pass. I've done far better financially in the civilian world and my quality of life now is way better.
Be glad you weren't enlisted. The pay is even worse, and so is the quality of life.
Officers do have some advantages, but I'm smart enough to know it's still the military, and you certainly had more responsibility. A drunk E4 could have ruined your career in the wrong circumstances.
I got ou as an E6 , Navy. I was just starting to get more in leadership roles and was getting more insight on what actually happens higher up in the chain of command.
It took years to get up there. The same drunk E4 that took you down would have run me over, too.
A lot of juniors don't quite get that. I liked the middle leadership, though. Not low enough to get all the shifty work, not high enough for the extra responsibilities.
Again, I'm glad my time came and went. I'm 100% disabled now with PTSD. I am also a cancer survivor from the pit fires in the first gulf war. My health is not so good.
Thank You for Your Service Capt. But I wouldn't either
@@barbaramatthews4735dang bro respect
The only reason I would do it again is because I met my girl of 7 years and going while I was in. Other than that, yeah, no, I'd pass.
Possibly because of the fact that you served, Sir.
Officers usually get good jobs because their resumes have that background.
As someone who is still in the army and in the process of getting out, I can give you 4 reasons. But all it really takes is one for any individual
1: we are not the country we used to be where "freedom" and "bravery" and "for God and Country" was the slogan as well as the norm. In other words, we are not a country worth serving anymore. No more than an honorable pr good quality job with terrible fucking leadership/management.
2: the appeal. Or rather the unappeal for a generation pf people that dont want to be told what to do or bitched at or be disrespected in a certain kind of way by someone who is a higher rank. Im not talking about just getting yelled out or whatever. That comes with the military. Im talking about because you signed a contract that you are beholden to that people in higher ranks are incompetent and egotistical as fuck that they will do things BEHIND the rank and try to get away with it because YOU dont know any better so you must know your place. Depending on where you go, no matter how old you are, they will treat you like you were born with that rank on your chest and treat you any kind of way. Please tell me im wrong.
3: kind of reverts back to 1. No patriotism anymore. No real psychological effect on the country in terms of the end-all-be-all scenario of days of old. Where everyone was scared of terrorsists or russia invading and so on. We dont really have a sense of that looming threat.
4: we live in an age of distractions and have better chances of making money if not having well-paying jobs and careers so there is no need. PLUS you have guys telling people not to join the military, or rather not join a certain MOS.
Overall: the military is not terrible. But like i tell everyone, no matter where you go in life you have 2 things that makes up your overall experience and your motivation to stay or leave: it is what YOU make of it, but the who and the where, are your primary factors as to whether you want to stay or leave. I have better things to do outside the army. It was a life experience. I got to say i done it and dont regret it. But as you will hear from almost any service member: i miss the clowns. But DEFINITELY not the fucking circus. That statement alone shit tell you all you need to know. And extra work for bullshit pay, too. God bless you all.
Our town had a recruiting center with separate storefront offices for the various branches of service, located in a high traffic area. Then, a few years ago, for security, those offices were moved to an out-of-the-way location, behind locked steel doors, and visits by advance appointment only. I haven’t seen a recruiter in uniform anywhere in my area in years. They used to be out there, uh, recruiting.
“The enemy is people we know well and people we can identify - the enemy is the system that sends us to war when it’s profitable; the enemies are the CEOs who lay us off from our jobs when its profitable; they’re the insurance companies who deny us health care when it’s profitable; they’re the banks that take away our homes when it’s profitable. Our enemies are not 5,000 miles away. They are right here at home, and if we organize and fight with our sisters and brothers we can stop this war, stop this government, and create a better world.”
- Michael Prysner (U.S Veteran)
@@indiasuperclean6969 India has great air quality. Am I right? Wam wam wammmm
I walked into both a Marine recruitment office and Army recruitment office. It was accessible and right next to each other in a strip mall. I don’t think I’ve seen a recruitment office in about ten years.
@@natel7382 JoshDamn it!! Nathan you can't keep getting baited by trolls like this your making the rest of us look bad, I'll have council chair Fillion roast you at the next meeting with the council of Nates
@@indiasuperclean6969 India is a clean country in the same way that rats are not plague carriers.
I was a civilian contractor for the Navy for 3 years. I helped recruit for the Navy Hospital Corps. It’s close to impossible. I literally went to work, sat down, and counted the hours til my day was over. Pay is bad, medical restrictions are too tight, and we are frowned upon by society.
Because the US military is not what it used to be . The military these days are just protecting the benefits of private companies. Just look at the soldiers that’s being protecting the US oil companies steal oil from Yemen for years.
I've had the calling to join infantry my whole life. Follow in the footsteps of my family. Was DQ'd for only having 1 kidney. That 1 kidney has had no effect on my life ever.
you are frowned upon by society because you fight for these people:
770 Eastern Parkway, Brooklyn, NY
Those are the people behind every war, financial crisis, mass media , etc. I don't say don't enlist in the army, but rather than dying in vain, know your enemy
If you still know people in the army/navy, tell them who is the enemy
@@irish7460 That one kidney probably saved your life and is why you are alive and doing well today with all of your limbs, no PTSD, ect...
Some people still say "thanks for your service" to me once in a while. 😄❤
After serving in at least TWO wars (Vietnam and the "Cold" war), I came to the conclusion that being in the military means you're a pawn of politicians...to be easily dispensed with if it suits their interests.
We're all pawns, so enjoy life Sir!
Please don't join as a 6,2 male I got Sharped (sexually assaulted) and my drills did nothing about it also forget about sleeping especially during BCT ,look up stress fractures too
I think everyone who ever wanted to join the military (myself included) thought "I'm doing this to Defend my family" but then when you're deployed in Afghanistan, Iraq, Africa thousands of miles away and fighting dudes in dresses and sandals, seeing how poor those countries are, how messed up their society is, you then begin to think "How the FUCK is this helping me defend my family?" And become disillusioned.
9/11?
@@DysentaryGary22 You mean a government psy-op to justify forever war and take your freedom? Building 7 demolition? "Jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams" isn't just a meme, it is a scientific fact.
😂
@@DysentaryGary22 how does leveling Iraq and Afghanistan relates to 9/11 is still a mystery
@@DysentaryGary22 We will never be allowed to know the full story behind 9/11. After more than a decade in the Middle East , the enemy isn't defeated, and we have more on the horizon. It's a tactic from ancient times where a foreign adventure distracts the population from the fact that it's rulers are robbing them and that any potential revolt at home is tamed because the cream of the country's young men of fighting age aren't home 'causing trouble ', but away being killed and maimed. It's also population control. After centuries of this nonsense you'd think we would have caught on by now.
I joined in February, I was disgusted with how many people passed basic even though they were undisciplined and very unfit. I myself got a 540 on my last ACFT but there were people who were not even hitting 300 and fell out of the final ruck and still passed basic. I’m proud of what I did but it made it feel like less of an accomplishment because of who I graduated with
Exact same situation with me mate just different countries army. There will always be screamers that scrape through
Excellence is contagious. So is mediocracy. Stay true to yourself, but while you're under contract, do your best to fix this mess.
I’m thinking of joining, I’m 20 and grew up with a drill instructor for a dad. Seeing TikTok’s of the fat people or just stupid/lazy people in the military just annoy me. It’s an embarrassment imo.
I suppose it's not extremely necessary for all military professions. Of course Infantry and Special Forces need to be at peak physical capability. But it's not the end of the world if a computer programmer or a cargo pilot has a bit of a belly.
@@shagbabyyeah I was in from '92 to '99. It was always like that. Just no social media. In the 90s at Ft. Bragg we had multiple drive by shootings on post, multiple drug busts (soldiers and airmen) off post, two mass shootings involving soldiers, and a wholesale purge of gangs and neo-nazis from the ranks. No Google any of those things. No fat kids in my unit but they were definitely around. Don't let any of that shit deter you. I would do it again in a minute.
Joining the military was a good decision for me personally, largely because I went National Guard rather than active duty. I work for officers and senior NCOs that legitimately care about their Soldiers more than they care about their careers. However, I have heard dozens of horror stories from active duty colleagues regarding getting constantly screwed over by toxic leaders. The Army's promotion system incentivizes leaders to throw their subordinate under the bus as much as possible, and it shows. The three biggest things killing the US military right now are toxic leadership, woke BS, and a lack of a clear mission regarding overseas deployments.
What is woke BS?
@@lamontewilliams3011 they are virtue signaling, trying to show that anyone can join the army but, how they executed was super embrassing
That was my experience as well. I started out in the Army National Guard. Everyone wanted to be there because they enjoyed soldiering. As I got older, I made my living in the military as an active duty officer, contractor and DA civilian. All the regular Army officers did was sit around all day conniving to get promoted. It’s literally all they talked about. All I did all day was write Officer Evaluation Reports. That was the most important thing. Your unit could fail every standard, but you’d better not be late with an OER! The whole thing sickened me. The other thing they spend a lot of time on is getting sleep studies and setting themselves up for a big disability check when they retire.
Would you recommend going into the guard then?
hell yeah brother