In the ocean… AWESOME SIR! Now can u compare the HK to the new Sig that the US is swapping to. Would it had been better to just change the caliber to the 6.8? If even possible. Thx honky! Keep up the cool vids for us call of dooty nerds😂
The HK416 really is the result of HK actually understanding why no project to replace the AR-15 worked in the past. The US military, regardless of what they asked for, just wanted a better m4.
Arkady Kalashnikov stopped to listen to the guys working at the coal face to hear what tools they needed to get the job done. I'm working on an engineering project and have to continuously impress on the crew that the task needs a tipper truck, but they always try to steer the project towards a farrari. Perhaps the perennial failing is that the design team leader tries to be high performence and elegent, whilst forgetting that this tool gets down and dirty.
@@michaelmichaelagnew8503and now they’ve got a bunch of guys running URG-I’s and other dope, modernized M4 style rifles with mid length gas systems and mlok handguards and all the stuff that competition shooters and civilian sport shooters were driving the market on
One important points that wasnt mentioned. HK is one of the very few companies that can actually fullfill a conctruct of 100k rifles in a reasonable time
Are these made down the road? Sadly the only company jobs you can see are really tame... which I would imagine means some outsourcing of eng, to better suppliers... i mean a bulging order book should be scaling up... website German, speak so OK but your average US or UK or even Pinoy grunt won;t, and US is only sales... so hoepfully these army units write their own support manuals... Can you imagine NATO inter-operability, and everyone was also required to speak German... WTF...
@@wld-ph Judging by your english you live in a 3rd world country. German instruction manuals are machined with precision. You have no idea what you are talking about. What army even hands out instruction booklets anyway? "3 lines of bullets means full auto". Genius.
@@wld-ph it is a german company and the research and development is made in germany. what do you expect from them? if you do not speak and write german you are more or less illiterate to them. furthermore most of there production is done in house in germany.
I knew it was a big deal when France, a country that insists on as much domestic stuff for their armed forces as much as possible, selected the HK416 as its service rifle to succeed the FAMAS. The US Marines originally just wanted the straight up HK416 but faced hurdles to get it. That's how the M27 came about as a tweaked version of the 416. The Corps then said that it just wanted it to replace the M249 SAW. Then later wanted it for every one in an infantry squad with it. It's one of the weirdest roundabout ways to get a rifle in general issue that I seen the Marines have to do. They wanted the 416 bad.
France chose the 416 because the government armament procurements agency wasn’t sure France small arms’ manufacturers could provide in sufficient numbers in the timeframe and take care of for a 30 years old or so the number of rifles it needed. Contrary to Cold War Era when it was national arsenals and factories providing the weapons, such as the Famas, the ships, the tanks etc., nowadays it is the private sector. Unlike other more important sectors, France ´s small arms manufacturers aren’t as much of an important sector for the defence because they aren’t a national defensive priority. So France searched for the best deal, and the best deal was offered by HK.
To expand on that, it actually does make sense for France and Germany to have joint ownership over a firm like this that will provide a very good small arm to the wider EU and the world. German engineering strikes again.
@@brunol-p_g8800 People had so much more money to spend in cold war era. Today we spend tax cash to make billionaires instead having a nice state owned factory making the weapons and lowering taxes with the profits they made with exports.
At least in Germany, it's tradition to change the name. The naming is following very strict rules. Attachment with number, weapon typ, consecutive number, specialization, change with number. The G stands for "Gewehr" (Rifle) and all Assault and sniper Rifles have a G name (G3, G36, ... and now G95 (even now G95k was already G38)), so everyone knows its a Assault or Sniper Rifle, like all "Maschienengewehre" (machine guns) are named MG (MG3, MG4, MG5, ...), all "Pistolen" (pistoles) are named P (P8, P30, P9, P1, ...), and all "Maschienenpistolen" (submachine guns) are named MP (MP5, MP7, ...). When understanding the system it gets easy. So let's look as example at "AGG36A1", meaning "Anbau Granatpistole Gewehr36 Änderung1" (literly "Attachment Grenatlauncher Rifle 36 change 1"). It's a G36 (original HK 50), so the 36 in the military introduced Rifle, with change 1 (thats a adjustable stock), with a granatlauncher attacht. Or the "G36KE" meaning "Gewehr36 Kurz Exportversion" (literly "Rifle 36 short export version"). It's also a HK 50 (G36) that still was introduced in the military as the 36 Rifle with the specialization k meaning "kurz" ("short"), so a shorter barrel, with the change e meaning "export", so the changed version (without red dot sight) we sell to other countries military like spain. There's also the specializations L ("Lang", "long") and C ("compact") with a extra long or even shorter barrel and the change V ("Verbessert", "improved") that is the same like the A1 (a adjustable stock) but for export weapons (without red dot). (There are also more A ("Änderung", "Change") than A1) And when you are asking yourself "How can the Bundeswehr, the 69 year old German Military, have nearly a hundret different Rifles and Pistols?" it's because of the many rifles of the special forces and the Sportschützen ("sports shooters"). The most German Olympians are Sportsoldaten ("sports soldiers") in the German Military. Athlets can join and get payed all year to do 1 month per year physical education for the soldiers and to train and win medals for Germany in the other 11 months and finance themself this way. And some of them like the shooters and biathlon athletes, etc. need coustom (non military) rifles and pistoles with their own number. Thats why the next free number behinde G36 is G95 and there is a P30. Exceptions of all this, are weapons from other old german Militarys like the Wehrmacht (Germanys Military in ww2) like the MG42, StG22, K98, that are still owned by todays german military Bundeswehr, and are still in the weapon champers but not offically shoot anymore. They keeped their names. The ones still shot have gotten new names like the ww2 P38 that became todays P1
Thanks for a great summary! Do you know if any MG42:s are still in use in Germany as coax machine guns or similar? They are in other countries so that is why I ask. If so, I am curious what their “new” numbers might be :)
Trickle Down Gun economy is real, and not limited to guns. Example: If you look at pictures of gear that the Rangers and Delta were using in Mogadishu in 1993, it bears an amazing resemblance to the kit an average infantryman was using circa 2003.
I believe you, but I want info and proof if you are willing. I don’t want you to, like, Dox yourself or something lol, but like, where have you been using it? What role are you in? What experiences have you had with the rifle that made you like it so much? What’s it like to use it all the time, like the “day-to-day” aspect of carrying it, maintaining it, and using it? Do you like it more than a normal M4?
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Good job on the video. I went to buy a MR556 back around 2014 because I just had to have a 416. The guy at the gun store said I will definitely sell you one but, you can get two of the exact same gun right here for the same price. It was the sig 516. I had never heard of it at that time, but the guy assured me the same engineer had designed both and had actually fixed a couple things on the 516 they had found after the 416 had been in the field for a while. So what did I do. What do you think, I bought two 516's, you can ÑEVER walk out of a gun store with money you walked in with. Everyone knows that!🤑
@@BearClawAK47 That is wrong. HK sued and was able to prove in court that the rifle performed to specifications. Specifications did NOT included "rapidly fire several magazines in desert condition and still be precise", since as was mentioned before, the G36 is not an LMG. It's one of the best weapons you could wish for when used as intented, which is "snipe at Russians in single fire on several hundred yards with single fire". We were trained that you're only to use the F setting in close combat when precision doesn't matter anyway.
Saying that the HK has a 1MOA accuracy while the M-16 and the M4 have a 4MOA accuracy is a bit misleading. Most AR type rifles will relatively easily achieve 2 MOA. The minimum excepted accuracy for the army and the marines is 4 MOA as the rifling in the barrel degrades. which No Doubt will be the same standard for the HK 416.
its because of the non free float barrel and the use of m855. The precision of the platform has been tested numerous times, and the marine corps used new rilfes in the M27 trials to have a fair comparison between the two platforms. The "official" story according to the USMC is that the M4 has a 4-6 MOA, an average at 4 at the LOW end, with M855. TFB actually leaked the still classified (lol) data by WTBN if youre ever interested in checking it out.
The only thing with the m16/m4 is that it doesn't have a free floating barrel, otherwise they'd perform very similarly. Hks piston system and barrel qualities also add to its consistency.
I saw the same episode and thought to myself, can't wait till that comes out to the Civilian market. I bought one back in 2012 off the Gun Broker website while I was contracting in Afghanistan. Still have it today, it's the Queen of my Gun safe.
@@maximilianreichelt9717 Yeah, My AG-3 was from 1968! We had some unlucky chap in the platoon that ended up with one made in 1965, it had a lot of issues. One of the soldiers even managed to break the stock of his AG-3 in the field during night. Not at the mounting point, but clean in the middle of the stock. Pretty damn crazy. Luckily that was like two weeks before we got the 416s. But he had to borrow an AG-3 the range. We never managed to find that end part of the stock.. and believe me, we looked.
Yep, and so many were sceptical moving from 7.62. I love it , but then again i only had the G3 and 416. And as a bonus we got optics, wich was a rarity on the G3.
@@mattconley541 (Norwegian) Regulations on conscription and home guard service § 87. It requires the soldier to store weapons, ammunition and other personal equipment
@@maximilianreichelt9717 I would bet that he's referring to 9:17 in the video? That's just for special forces, though. If there are ever plans to give it to the grunts then there would probably still be enough time to adopt the 300 Blackout as NATO standard before then.
@@shaider1982 Right now it's being fielded with the 101st. If it works out with them they'll make whatever changes are suggested than roll it out wider
I had the M27(I believe it’s the same gun) in the Marine corps for 3 years. That was the best rifle Ive ever shot. And if you attached bipods it turned into a baby SAW. That thing was a blast.
My first deployment to Afghanistan we were under a Joint Task Force. I got to use my Norwegian counterparts rifle at the range and have loved the HK-416 ever since. Accurate, solid, and much gooder than the M-16/M-4. Good job on the Marine Corps for securing a better weapon system.
@@Nick-sx6jm Less accuracy is mostly a myth, you can still free float piston guns and get accuracy on par with 99% of DI guns, with more reliability far more heat resistance, and more recoil mitigation. Piston guns also handle gas pressure changes better including suppressors. You can spin a globe and have your finger land on a random country and 90% chance that nation uses a piston rifle. There is a reason almost every nation on earth uses either long or short stroke gas pistons to this day, From Nato to Russia and China..
@-Zevin- Absolutely not a myth. It can be mitigated, but having a large amount of reciprocating mass connected to the barrel impacts accuracy. All things equal a DI gun will be a bit more accurate. Also, the reliability claims are not really true as the test he cites was rigged in favor of the 416, XM8, and scar. Modern DI guns are extremely reliable, and piston guns only offer niche advantages like shooting half a second after submerging.
As a BF3 veteran, the M27 IAR was far and away my most reliable gun. The bipod made it a beast at long range with semi auto and you can lay down full auto for suppression
Well, I mean, the G36 is just an AR18 as well. All HK did here was stick a G36 in an M4 rather than a weird fish shaped shell like the XM8. And mostly just to screw with FN and the SCAR. Which is also an AR18. It's all AR18s and always has been.
I will always look down on all AR-18 derivatives. We could’ve had Armalite be a staple of the gun industry, providing fairly compact and cheaply made rifles in an intermediate cartridge to NATO in the 60’s. But we didn’t. But now we get all these knockoffs that everyone wants. Sincerely, an original AR-180 owner.
They could have just went with the AR-18, mod it a bit and save a ton of money. Just goes to show that those in charge of acquiring these weapons are not the best and the brightest, and probably "compensated" behind closed doors.
There are a large number of countries adopting DI ARs as well. The UK is giving its Royal Marines KAC Rifles for example. And with the number of M4s the US has given away in military aid and sales, I doubt the 416 will outright supplant the DI at variants.
Because the DI AR-15s are better, and the 416 is a solution looking for a problem. The amount of HK wank in these comments is comical. One dude is claiming HK makes the best barrels in the world, haha!
@@Anni3sgotagun I know New Zealand uses an LMT as does Estonia, but Australia ? As far as I know Australia uses a domestically produced variant of the Aug.
DI rifles are being supplied to higher tier units that can be expected to provide the necessary cleaning and care to ensure they work to the highest level. Piston guns are best for the 18 year old private with a room temp IQ that you're going to throw en masse at the enemy and who's rifle needs to work no matter what.
You should make a video on the M4 URGI. From what I can tell US SOF has for the most part moved on from the 416’s to the M4 URGI’s due to them weighing less and being just as reliable.
@@mattmurphy7030free floated geissele mk16 handguard Daniel defense 14.5/11.5 barrels and uses a geissele ssae trigger along with far superior accessories such a Surefire RC2 supressors and better optic packages and lasers
@@mattmurphy7030 Main difference: it goes from a carbine-length gas system to a mid-length system. This pushes the gas block farther out, with a longer gas tube, allowing the gas to chill tf out a little bit more before it goes back down the gas tube and back into the gun, resulting in less parts wear, gentler recoil and according NSWC Crane (SEAL gun testing people) increased reliability. They also swapped the 7" or so quad rail out for a 13.5" MLOK handguard that's more comfy and lighter - and especially lighter than the RIS II rail found on the M4A1 SOPMOD Block II. Aside from that, the URGI has a few other small improvements here and there, but those are the main ones.
No US SOF that used the 416 regularly is using the URGI. The URGI replaced Block 2 Sopmod M4s. The only thing that has replaced the 416 is the Noveske that Dev uses
I can confirm that HK’s Barrels on pretty much all of their guns are insane. I have no idea how they do it so well. I’ve seen USP’s and USP compacts in 9mm go 100,000 rounds without a significant loss of accuracy. The HK416 barrels seem to be able to last about 30k on average before they start having significant accuracy issues (but we’re still talking like within 4-6moa) They just make such good guns man. Even the VP9 is really good, and that’s the gun they make right now with the most problems, and it’s still extremely good. The only thing that goes wrong with it is that, sometimes rarely, that weird shaped coil thing will break. Again, this is very rare. I daily carry a USP Compact in 9mm with a 17+1 VP9 magazine and an X-grip to fill in the space of the longer mag and it’s amazing
Might have your slide checked. In my Bundeswehr time, we swapped the P8 for P8A1 because they tended to explode. Service life was meant to be 10000rds, which had been severely exceeded with some of the P8s we had.
The SigSauer Rattler surely has way less range and is a lot more expensive to shoot than the HK416. That's only going to be the weapon of choice for very specific operators.
I bought a piston action m4 15 years ago made in Fayette Missouri. 825$ back then. Thousands of rounds later it is still perfect. Never a misfire. Never noticed the recoil difference.
I-fired this magnificent rifle back when I am doing shooting practice with our country's most elite unit and on that moment, I fell in love with the gun. Damn HK416 is the best.
German infantry weapons seem always to have been, taken together, the best made and best thought-out as a combined arms -ensemble (since eg the Silesian sharpshooters and 2-ib infantry guns) through to WWII (3 or 6 MG34 per platoon, SMGs and later a scoped rifle for NCOs) .. MG3s and HK-416s are about as good as you can get if you want combined MG plus AR/SMG performance for defence/close range attack ..
MG3 is an outdated gun. Very, very good for its time but today it's just heavy, clunky, incompatible with modern attachments and awkward to use in comparison. I was in the German Army and had to carry this thing and was glad when we switched to MG4. It's just the better MG for infantry.
I remember being one of the first Norwegians in mandatory military service to get my hand on this spec-op feeling rifle. Quite a departure from the workhorse G3 handcannon. Part of the decision to move to a more handleable gun and lighter ammo might also come from the introduction of universal military service for women.
@@PentaRaus ..as they are in most countries. .. Which doesn't mean they can't make fine soldiers. The Ukrainians for example have a bunch of deadly female snipers. ..as the USSR had in WW2. Of course, is hard/unrealistic to see women as grunts or combat engineers, but there are areas where strength simply isn't as important.
@@damianm-nordhorn116that’s one thing that’s so interesting about great Snipers, it seems like it happens to be one of those “gifted talents” that some people just seem to be blessed with; as in, it’s one of those things that some minds are born with regardless of gender or who their parents are or who they even are at all - a latent ability that can become powerful with even minimal formal training. I believe that some people are just born to be a musician, or even born to be a specific kind of musician, and I also believe that some people are just born to be snipers, and they should have a chance to prove themselves regardless of who they are. We all know at least one person, whether irl or just knowing about them, who just seems like they were born to shoot because they’ve always been a natural talent, they learn years worth of skills in months or weeks, and they are perfectly focused and happy and lost in the sport when they’re shooting
@@PentaRausYes, with some exceptions for select units. The top physical grade you can get is also equal for both women and men. So at the highest levels, no, else yes
The goal in 2008 when the 416 was phased in was 50% of the NCOs and officers being women, and 1% of the soldiers being women, so I kind of doubt it. They had enough MP-5s to hand out to the short girls anyway. There's a reason it was nicknamed jente-5.
The debate about the G36 was stupid and not based on facts. 1. West Germany wanted to replace the G3 with the G11. The G11 had issues, but was too much ahead of it's time. 1990 with the end of the cold war Germany had to replace the soviet Rifles in East Germany. So they wanted a cheaper alternative to the G11. The G36 was chosen. Since that, the government ordered nearly 30 years the same G36 in the first version, while HK improved it to A2 and developed the successor XM8. 2. The G36 was never developed for desert use, where the problems occurred. It was designed to defend Germany. 3. It was used for suppression fire in full auto mode and should then hit perfectly in semi auto. It is an assault rifle, not a machine gun. It was never developed for that. Investigations came to the conclusion that there isn't a better choice. Everyone who understands physics knows hot metal expand. More metal needs more heat to expand. And like before HK has the right product for that. The LMG36. It has an thicker barrel for extensive auto fire. But it was never ordered by the government. The problem is not the G36. It is the government to not order the right product for the right job. Moving to the HK416 was only done, that these politicians can make HK guilty and don't lose their own head.
Only the make HK guilty part didn´t work, at least in circles more educated on the topic. HK didn´t eat that crap and won in court. only the PR damage was already done by politicians who didn´t even know which end of a G36 to point away from you.
@@alexanderkupke920 Well, in between the German military gave the contract to Haenel, who had offered a blatant copy of the HK416 for a lower price. Then H&K sued Haenel for copyright infringement and won, and the German army was forced to revoke the contract and give it to H&K. In my opinion there are factions in German politics who hate H&K and what it stands for, and they are willing to resort to any dirty trick in order to damage H&K.
@@highks496 I got less of the impression that they actively wanted to Damage H&K. I, once again, was under the impression that they wanted to much of a single item, at the lowest possible price. What I have seen, has been more wories about Haenel actually belnonging to some investment firm from the UAE, if I am not mistaken.
The main issue I've had with the G36E is that it is hopelessly outdated. The integrated sight is terrible, the giant carry handle is the opposite of ergononic, the weapon is way too long and installing anything on the carry handle is a pain. That said, the newer state of the art G36KV is genius and straight up incredible.
@@juanlulourido548 E stands for Export. V is for Verkauf (sell). E or V is the cheaper version and both are the same. It has a 1.5x Scope. The non E/V for military use has a Red Dot and a 4x Scope. So yes E and V sucks. There is a RAS Version with Picatinny Rail, without Handle or optics, like the HK416. K is for Kurz (short). C is for Compact. Without is the full length. K and Standard is available as military, E/V and RAS. C is only RAS. And then you have versions from A0 to A4. For example there is a version of the G36KV without Picatinny Rail, one Version with a short Rail on the Top and the newest Version is the same as the RAS Version. All are the same system, so you can modify a G36E to a G36K, if you have the spare parts. So the G36KV is only the short version of the G36E, but not newer. The hole G36 system is over 35 years old.
Huh. So, back in the day when I built my piston AR and was roundly mocked by all the experts on the gun boards, it was them who got it wrong. This gives me a happy.
They brought the new age short stroke piston game to town. Now everyone and their dog has them. LMT, LWRC,POF, SIG etc. I like my HK MR short stroke and my soft shooting long stroke PWS 114 Mod2. It's not "JUST" a short stroke piston when you led the way.
@@Kaltwasser45 Except they're just copying Eugene Stoner's homework from the AR18. They didn't lead any way. Heck, even the G36 and it's derivatives were just copying the AR18 to the point where even the bolt carriers and recoil spring assemblies are almost identical with just some tweaks to the dimensions for packaging reasons.
@@shred1894 Yeah, I'd say Colt copied Stoner with the 703 long stroke piston and then HK developed the short stoke piston on that. The HK bolt carrier is weighted at the tail to mitigate carrier tilt. The buffer tube has OTB holes, then later on the A5 adjustable piston. On the G36, I have no idea what you mean about them being similar recoil systems. Everything is different on the G36, it still functions as a short stroke piston. Ergos are different, the whole gun is different. The bolt assembly is way different than an AR.
I heard their 416s are made with noisy (weapons clicks are loud) metals of a lesser quality, to make it affordable. Also, the noises made by the weapons’ action would not be problem since regular units are not supposed to do any kind of stealth stuff.
Most have been aware of the 416 in the civilian market, it just cost way too much for most to justify having one. The price in the civi market didn't seem justified to most.
Eugene Stoner's other .556 rifle design had a short stroke gas piston system decades ago.That gun was designated the AR 18. It was designed to be a cheap rifle so it was made with stampings and never really found a large fan base, but the SS gas piston is not too different from what the HK 416 uses today. In the original Terminator film, the full auto rifle used to shoot up the police station is an AR 18 variant. Of course short stroke piston guns have been around even longer than that.
That is an interesting assertion and I am inclined to agree with you. However, one of the things I think is kind of loose in discussions about MOA is how MOA is being defined in the mind of person talking about it. When people say something like, “this rifle is capable of 2.5” MOA,” there is a lot of information missing in the statement. Manufacturers publish “MOA” in advertising copy all the time and, of course, they are going to determine that figure under ideal conditions. Even when you are talking about what most shooters can achieve with a particular rifle, there is still a lot of information missing. The rifle probably isn’t clamped in a vise, shooting off a bench but is the rifle resting on sandbags, on a bipod, from a foxhole, or is the shooter prone unsupported? What ammunition is being used, and what other factors apply such as wind, temp, etc. My impression is that you are right - under standard military qualification range conditions (up to light rain and light to moderate wind), shooting from a fighting position or prone, resting on sandbags, firing government issued ball ammo, and a rifle (M16 descendant) they were assigned out of their unit’s arms room, most people can get their group down to about 5 inches at 100 yards. Whatever the rifle might be capable of most shooters’ best group of the day might be around 3 inches.
@@Snarknado5 And you can also achieve this accuracy with an M4 or M16, there are far too many variables in production and ammunition to get a real definitive MOA capability. The problem and why I made my comment, is that the test parameters are guaranteed to be different between HK's testing, Colt's testing and the military testing at different times. Even variations in load consistency, temperature, elevation, humidity etc can all significantly effect accuracy.
@@Will-ql5db That's also a problem I have with all of these rifle "spec" arguments. The AK and AR and others are all much much closer in real world accuracy, the manufacturers just like adding on another sales pitch feature as to why we are spending more money.
I was in the marine corps when they made the swap. It was kinda wild. We went from running around with unsuppressed M4s to the M27 firing full auto with suppressors. Not to mention the new gen high cut Kevlar and gen 4 flaks. It was wild. It definitely increased the confidence of our platoon. We finally felt like operators lol. I was in 3/6 for anyone asking.
@@weall1208Yes his influence was that prolific. It uses the AR-15 shape with the AR-18 operating mechanism. Both of which Stoner designed. The problem though with the 416 is that it uses almost exclusively proprietary parts.
@@ls200076 Not when it comes to logistics it doesn't. For special forces guys like Delta and the SEALs, the 416 makes sense, because they get all the specially made gear meant for them. You can make the argument like Cappy here that the 416 makes sense for the Marines as well since they focus on Maritime Ops but when the Marines basically say lol no to the bigger badder Marksman version (the HK417) for an upgraded M110 (which is basically a fancy AR-10) that uses the same operating system as the AR-15. Makes ya raise an eyebrow.
The U.S. military canceled OICW and XM8 in a row. HK fucked in a row. When the U.S. Army was doing the SCAR project, USSOCOM was doing the M4A1 improvement project to solve the M4A1's cook-off and Jam problems, and Delta Force was deeply involved and completed HK416. Short-stroke Gas Piston and precision barrel. As HK416 gained popularity mainly for U.S. military special forces, the U.S. Army greatly reduced the introduction of FN SCAR and increased the introduction of HK416. The U.S. Marine Corps wrote on the document that it was nominally a LMG and in fact it was completely replaced with HK416.
This is a well informed, well scripted video. Had an LWCRI M6 IC with fluted 16 inch barrel for several years. Haven’t really run it a lot, but from what I have, can’t say I really noticed any weight or recoil impulse disadvantages over M4s. For me, it’s been good for 1.5 inch groups at 100 yds with lower cost 75 grain FMJ. Cleaning for me is a breeze compared to a direct impingement system. Regardless of claims, I run it with a lite lube coating.
It should be mentioned that the HK416 has a free floating barrel, which is what makes it more accurate than the M4. It also can be fired in full auto, in contrast to the M4's burst fire.
I believe that's correct, but I know for a fact that before the M27 started coming in, US Marines did not have any rifles that fired in full auto; they were all burst fire weapons.
Honestly, I didn't track the sub models thoroughly, but they did use a variant of the M16 while I was in, of which was only in burst fire and semi auto. They eventually changed over to the M4, which had the same firing modes.
@@inebriatedengineering6288 yes, M16A2. Before that which came into service in the early 80s both Army and Marines used M16A1 which had full instead of burst.
I carry an m27 IAR with a trijicon SCO instead of an acog and a Harris bipod with an NT-4 suppressor. It’s heavy as hell. It’s very accurate and great for what we do in marine infantry but the weight does become an issue on long hikes and even longer field ops
In Germany a lot of soldiers were dissapointed with the switch though. The G36 was actually very liked and although most did agree that switching the main rifle after about 30 years is a good thing, the "same but better" version was also avaible with the HK433 family. With a folding stock, no fordurb assist (sorry), a bitch handle to slap, xtra style points etc. The shorter variant of 437 with folding stock is basically MP5 size and super quiet in .300 Blackout. Some police units also switched to those. Could have used that for drivers/cooks/pilots/whatever and get rid of the MP7 they use for that too. Could save quite some money with basically one system in the entire army. The best AR15 is still just an AR15 (sorry again) and even if that new fury horse calibre won't run anywhere and needed a replacement...don't think Mr Stoner would use an AR15 in the 21. century.
Those dust test were rigged man, some of the reported problems with how the test was conducted. - The test where it was just the M4 by itself was comparable to the 416, XM8, and SCAR in stoppages. - It wasn't repeatable, usually for tests, you expect to be able to get similar results if you try again, but the m4 stoppages in dust test 2 (296 stoppages) is very low compared to dust test 3 (863). - The tests were done in different times of the year, dust test 2 which was only the m4 was conducted in the summer of 2007 while dust test 3 which was conducted with the m4 and the rest of the rifles was conducted in the Fall of 2007. - Testers likely during dust test 3 didn't know how the M4 3 burst fire control group worked which was like a cog that resets every 3 rounds fired. So if you were to only fire 2 rounds in a burst, and then went to try a 3 round burst, you'd only get 1 round fired since the cog reset. So the testers like counted when it didn't do a full 3 round burst as a malfunction which played a part in the abnormally high malfunctions in dust test 3 compared to dust test 2. - All the competitor guns (HK & SCAR) were not guns just taken right off the assembly line, these were bespoke guns, hand fitted and tested each part for maximum reliability, way different compared to mass production guns. They also used new magazines that worked well with their guns. - The M4's submitted for the test however were not new guns, they were found to be early model M4's (likely around mid-late 90's, and the tests happened late-2000's), so while it can't be said for certain, the rifles had been definitely used before, much more than the 416, XM8, and SCAR. They were also given USGI magazines that were also not new. Dust test methods are very sus and likely rigged, the whole test was only started cause a politician wanted to get political influence from the public and repeatedly slandered the rifle and tried getting feedback forms from soldiers done, and cherry picked their statements, since most statements of the M4 were positive with only mild negative statements and feedback for improvement. And the other firearm companies went along with it, hopping to get that all lucrative US Army standard issue rifle contract. TLDR: Dust tests should never be used as a reliable source since the intentions of the test were not unbiased.
I'd say dust tests are important, but you absolutely have to make the test protocols repeatable and need a statistically significant sample size. I'm sure the 416 is more reliable, especially in longer missions in bad environments, but that doesn't mean the m4 was bad for most soldiers.
@@Taskandpurpose That played a part to, since they weren’t new magazines compared to the others. It’s just that were also other factors that also contributed to it. Just never like using the dust test as a source since a lot went wrong with it and makes the M4 rifle look way worse compared to other rifles that had the advantage in that test.
Meanwhile the romanian army still uses bootleg aks made in the 1960s while not issuing any body armor except a steel helmet made in the 70s with ww2 technology.
@@conormcmenemie5126 it is on the frontline of ukraine though, so we're going to be invaded not do the invading. I can only hope to not be conscripted. Few fates are worse than this.
@@conormcmenemie5126 yep you are one lucky fuck compared to me. I am 19, male, poor and my 55+yo parents said to me when the ukraine war started that they will tie me by my hands and knees once mobilization is enacted only letting me go once the enrollment officer comes to collect me. They do not even like this country yet they want me to die for it.
@@conormcmenemie5126 yep you are lucky compared to me. I am 19, male, poor and my 55+yo parents said to me when the ukraine war started that they will tie me by my hands and knees once mobilization is enacted only letting me go once the enrollment officer comes to collect me. They do not even like this country yet they want me to die for it.
@@065Tim The Bundeswehr ordered almost 200 for its special forces in February of this year. But it is not called HK433 but HK437. It is more or less an HK 433 in 300 Blk
@@065Tim I disagree. It's about using the right tool for the application. A suppressed 300 lives next to my bed. It's a killer subsonic round with a ton of ammo options. The supers are no slouch, nah it's no DMR round, it serves a purpose. It just gets a bad rap now because people seem to trash it because it's not a do it all cartridge. 5.56 or 6.8 still owns that me thinks. Those obviously have limitations too, but broader applications.
I'd be interested in buying one, but their compound rifle and ambidextrous bolt catch is only for sending the bolt home, and they refuse to sell their barrels because of their proprietary barrel install. Which FRANKLY, is ridiculous. Can't keep a spare barrel and you can't use a an ambidextrous bolt catch, it's asinine and a huge misstep by them. I was so ready to buy one too, but I need to be able to replace the parts myself. There is NO reason I should have to ship my AR15 out of state to get a new barrel installed at their ridiculous pricing.
I've held one of the original first issued M16's in my hands. One without a forward assist, but was issued the M16A1, with a forward assist, then later used the M16A2's then left the service just before the M4 took over. I'm pretty sure I could use this weapon with no problems. It would feel natural.
The G36 is a fine gun tho. The "issues" were home made by the German army when they ordered a stupid configuration for their rifles. It was a long ongoing shi* show over here...
Everyone talks like the 416 was absolutely infallible yet guys that actually used it, have talked about issues with it. Matt Pranka and Slade talked about how suppressors increased fire rate and caused runaways...in shoot houses!. GBRS guys said that they stripped every HK part that they could off of it because it was so heavy. Slade recently made an Insta post about feeling nostalgic for his 416, even though it was a heavy and finicky bitch....
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@@Keithustus your statements are contradictory AF make up your mind. Either you support the 2nd or you don’t Larry Vicker’s case is a product of an overreaching government.
15:00 that's why I like my X-95. Even with an aftermarket forend, flashlight, pressure switch, and magpul VFG, it will still balance on the grip. Super comfy to shoot fast and carry.
Quietly spreading because it's expensive? Lol. Countries like France needed a new infantry rifle. To replace the odd Famas. Just like other countries. No one is buying it because it's expensive. Lol they are buying it because it's a step up from what they had.
@@davidjob4909 The SCAR itself should have failed in face of the Robinson Arms XCR and I'm not even american. Why the hell did no branch ever got issued the XCR? Amazing rifle with amazing build quality (if you don't account for of the past issues which did exist) and excellent concept. The only thing it doesn't have is an ambi charging handle basically.
Lmao anything's better than an M7. Even a tired worn out m4 that's suffered 20 years of GI abuse is better than a spear. The entire MCX series of rifles is SIG's premier line of craptastic grift. 😂
@@7ElevenTrutherI hate to just dogpile Sig Sauer USA on the internet and feed into the hate, but I really really do not like SS USA: I don’t respect them at all because of their horrible business practices and their lack of any moral fiber (intentionally fueling a drug war in Colombia with weapons, and breaking national and international law to get those weapons there.) They regularly steal IP and other advantageous, insider info from their various partners companies they’ve had over the years, including stealing all the development work and research and production secrets from a much much smaller company than them that they had been partnered up with by the government to develop some military equipment, and they stole their secrets and used all that knowledge and expertise for themselves, and they ended up running that smaller company out of business. And the whole SIG + SIG SAUER + all the other companies that are “separate” but like still connected is also really confusing and Sig Sauer USA can’t even really claim to be SIG or have any of their history or pedigree. The last good gun Sig Sauer made was the P226 series/family of handguns, of which there are obviously tons of models and tons of BS modified versions of the same thing that they up charge like crazy on. Like how they have like 10 different guns in the P226 family, and there’s also like 10 P365 versions and a fuck ton of P320. And I hate how they have regularly been using customers as beta testers over the last 25 years. It was probably around the millennia that SS started going to shit. May have even been before that, I’m not sure. They put out guns that have massive problems that don’t show up for a few hundred or few thousand rounds, and then suddenly they are shitting themselves and either completely break in a catastrophic way that basically “totals” the gun and you need to replace a whole slide or a whole frame, or some minor part of it they didn’t design or test well suddenly fails within the first few hundred rounds and now the gun is borked but at least it’s a somewhat reasonable repair… except that their replacement parts are also overpriced and probably just as likely to fail as the original part. They charge way too much for what you get. Even the P365 was having serious issues for a loooong time. But they had such a huge lead on the micro compact market compared to everyone else, that they had free reign to sell probably in the millions of them without any real competition doing quite the same thing. It wasnt a pocket pistol, but it’s also not a compact. And that was cool to people who wanted high capacity in a tiny package. And they were able to sell sooooo many of them, that they were actually getting overwhelmed with all the repair requests for so many broken guns, but at least this way they were given tons of data that the bosses over there were too cheap to get properly designed and tested to begin with. And there were so many problems with all of their “modern” handgun lineups that, with so many people owning them, they actually had to pay attention and work to solve these issues. Their CEO’s and highest internal leaders are just so corrupt and so checked out from running the company and trying to do something truly great. It’s just a boys club where friends help each other out by getting them a cushy job with a massive pay check + lots of “influence”, status, and something nice to have on their resume if they go somewhere else. And they pay most of their employees like shit compared to what they should be earning Btw, for Sig handguns, except the p226 Navy, which is amazing. I would muuuuch rather have something like an S&W Shield Plus instead of P365, and for any of their normal compacts, I’d much rather have a USP compact or a Glock 19 or a CZ P-10, or a Walther PDP, or even an M&P 2.0
@@7ElevenTrutheraw it’s not too bad! I like the base MCX but then again I was running a can on it. More accurate than I can shoot and would feed any round
@@michaelwu9450 It would be a decent rifle for $1200, but for what they charge it's a total grift. SIG today reminds me of Boeing, a once great company reduced to marketing gimmicks and profits over quality products.
For Norway, I can see two good reasons for the switch. Fully loaded, the HK 416 is about 600 grams (about 1.3lbs) lighter than a fully loaded HK AG-3. It's chambered in 5.56x45mm, while the AG-3 is chamberd in 7.62x51mm (AKA 308 and comparable to the Russian 7.62 x 54mmR), making the 4 full magazines on the body a lot lighter too. (Same goes for switching from steel M1 helmet (old US type) to composite). The other good reason was that the AG-3's were getting pretty old and a bit worn out. The two I had the honor of carrying weren't completely useless over 200m, but getting a rifle that would shoot accurately and give a proper grouping was basically luck of the draw. And the Norwegian armed forces were upgrading a lot during that time. I will say, however, if there was one single item used by the infantry in 1995 that should have been switched out years before, it would be the radio. I don't know when the US army stopped lugging around the fucking 11Kg (24lbs) piece of shit AN-PRC 77, but I bet it was in the 70's, and I bet they were glad for the switch, and soldiers these days should be fucking ecstatic they don't have to carry it! The utter lack of range! The weight! The crap batteries! Oh, don't get me wrong, it's great that it's easy to service, but you're not gonna do that in the field! The best part about it was that it was likely to stop a bullet if you were walking behind the radio operator. And you get more security and range these days with a PMR radio! (If the antenna you were using was a folded down brush whip, that is).
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Could you please make a video of the polish M762 Beryl assault rifle, take your time sir I'll be waiting 🙏
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In the ocean… AWESOME SIR! Now can u compare the HK to the new Sig that the US is swapping to. Would it had been better to just change the caliber to the 6.8? If even possible. Thx honky! Keep up the cool vids for us call of dooty nerds😂
The HK416 really is the result of HK actually understanding why no project to replace the AR-15 worked in the past. The US military, regardless of what they asked for, just wanted a better m4.
The US military wanted a better american made M4, that was the issue.
Arkady Kalashnikov stopped to listen to the guys working at the coal face to hear what tools they needed to get the job done. I'm working on an engineering project and have to continuously impress on the crew that the task needs a tipper truck, but they always try to steer the project towards a farrari. Perhaps the perennial failing is that the design team leader tries to be high performence and elegent, whilst forgetting that this tool gets down and dirty.
I'm not aware the AR-15 was ever in military service.
Every M4 and M16 is an AR-15 pattern rifle @@damianm-nordhorn116
@@michaelmichaelagnew8503and now they’ve got a bunch of guys running URG-I’s and other dope, modernized M4 style rifles with mid length gas systems and mlok handguards and all the stuff that competition shooters and civilian sport shooters were driving the market on
One important points that wasnt mentioned. HK is one of the very few companies that can actually fullfill a conctruct of 100k rifles in a reasonable time
Aren't a bunch of other countries also who switched to it? The SAKO M23 is essentially the same gun too.
HK is the only company that can build a British assault rifle to spec to make it work.
Are these made down the road? Sadly the only company jobs you can see are really tame... which I would imagine means some outsourcing of eng, to better suppliers... i mean a bulging order book should be scaling up... website German, speak so OK but your average US or UK or even Pinoy grunt won;t, and US is only sales... so hoepfully these army units write their own support manuals... Can you imagine NATO inter-operability, and everyone was also required to speak German... WTF...
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Judging by your english you live in a 3rd world country.
German instruction manuals are machined with precision. You have no idea what you are talking about.
What army even hands out instruction booklets anyway?
"3 lines of bullets means full auto". Genius.
@@wld-ph it is a german company and the research and development is made in germany. what do you expect from them? if you do not speak and write german you are more or less illiterate to them. furthermore most of there production is done in house in germany.
I knew it was a big deal when France, a country that insists on as much domestic stuff for their armed forces as much as possible, selected the HK416 as its service rifle to succeed the FAMAS.
The US Marines originally just wanted the straight up HK416 but faced hurdles to get it. That's how the M27 came about as a tweaked version of the 416. The Corps then said that it just wanted it to replace the M249 SAW. Then later wanted it for every one in an infantry squad with it. It's one of the weirdest roundabout ways to get a rifle in general issue that I seen the Marines have to do. They wanted the 416 bad.
Well and for now HK became French corporation (French has the most of HK stocks)
France chose the 416 because the government armament procurements agency wasn’t sure France small arms’ manufacturers could provide in sufficient numbers in the timeframe and take care of for a 30 years old or so the number of rifles it needed. Contrary to Cold War Era when it was national arsenals and factories providing the weapons, such as the Famas, the ships, the tanks etc., nowadays it is the private sector. Unlike other more important sectors, France ´s small arms manufacturers aren’t as much of an important sector for the defence because they aren’t a national defensive priority.
So France searched for the best deal, and the best deal was offered by HK.
To expand on that, it actually does make sense for France and Germany to have joint ownership over a firm like this that will provide a very good small arm to the wider EU and the world. German engineering strikes again.
The manufacturer that made the FAMAS closed down in 2000 so France has no means to mass produce firearms anymore.
@@brunol-p_g8800 People had so much more money to spend in cold war era. Today we spend tax cash to make billionaires instead having a nice state owned factory making the weapons and lowering taxes with the profits they made with exports.
At least in Germany, it's tradition to change the name. The naming is following very strict rules.
Attachment with number, weapon typ, consecutive number, specialization, change with number.
The G stands for "Gewehr" (Rifle) and all Assault and sniper Rifles have a G name (G3, G36, ... and now G95 (even now G95k was already G38)), so everyone knows its a Assault or Sniper Rifle,
like all "Maschienengewehre" (machine guns) are named MG (MG3, MG4, MG5, ...),
all "Pistolen" (pistoles) are named P (P8, P30, P9, P1, ...),
and all "Maschienenpistolen" (submachine guns) are named MP (MP5, MP7, ...).
When understanding the system it gets easy.
So let's look as example at "AGG36A1", meaning "Anbau Granatpistole Gewehr36 Änderung1" (literly "Attachment Grenatlauncher Rifle 36 change 1"). It's a G36 (original HK 50), so the 36 in the military introduced Rifle, with change 1 (thats a adjustable stock), with a granatlauncher attacht.
Or the "G36KE" meaning "Gewehr36 Kurz Exportversion" (literly "Rifle 36 short export version"). It's also a HK 50 (G36) that still was introduced in the military as the 36 Rifle with the specialization k meaning "kurz" ("short"), so a shorter barrel, with the change e meaning "export", so the changed version (without red dot sight) we sell to other countries military like spain.
There's also the specializations L ("Lang", "long") and C ("compact") with a extra long or even shorter barrel and the change V ("Verbessert", "improved") that is the same like the A1 (a adjustable stock) but for export weapons (without red dot).
(There are also more A ("Änderung", "Change") than A1)
And when you are asking yourself "How can the Bundeswehr, the 69 year old German Military, have nearly a hundret different Rifles and Pistols?" it's because of the many rifles of the special forces and the Sportschützen ("sports shooters"). The most German Olympians are Sportsoldaten ("sports soldiers") in the German Military. Athlets can join and get payed all year to do 1 month per year physical education for the soldiers and to train and win medals for Germany in the other 11 months and finance themself this way. And some of them like the shooters and biathlon athletes, etc. need coustom (non military) rifles and pistoles with their own number. Thats why the next free number behinde G36 is G95 and there is a P30.
Exceptions of all this, are weapons from other old german Militarys like the Wehrmacht (Germanys Military in ww2) like the MG42, StG22, K98, that are still owned by todays german military Bundeswehr, and are still in the weapon champers but not offically shoot anymore. They keeped their names. The ones still shot have gotten new names like the ww2 P38 that became todays P1
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Thanks for a great summary! Do you know if any MG42:s are still in use in Germany as coax machine guns or similar? They are in other countries so that is why I ask. If so, I am curious what their “new” numbers might be :)
Trickle Down Gun economy is real, and not limited to guns. Example: If you look at pictures of gear that the Rangers and Delta were using in Mogadishu in 1993, it bears an amazing resemblance to the kit an average infantryman was using circa 2003.
I’ve always thought of you want to know what regular soldiers will look like 10 years from now and the tactics they’ll use - look at the elite today .
@@Taskandpurpose SEAL googly-eyes NODS!!!!!
Carried the M27 in Afghanistan. It slaps. You can use it as a shitty dmr, and I never had it jam. Also way easier to clean
When you cleaned the weapon did u spit on it?
@@Token_Black_Guy His gun isn't your mom lol
@@fireice8 dude ure hilarious 😅
Thanks for sharing and thank you so much for serving, sir
But was it really worth dumping the SAWs? (honestly curious)
Two words. IT FUCKS
As a United States Marine, who has been issued this weapons system, i can say in confidence its the best damn rifle I've ever had.
I believe you, but I want info and proof if you are willing. I don’t want you to, like, Dox yourself or something lol, but like, where have you been using it? What role are you in? What experiences have you had with the rifle that made you like it so much? What’s it like to use it all the time, like the “day-to-day” aspect of carrying it, maintaining it, and using it? Do you like it more than a normal M4?
@@rondobrondo Relax
@@rondobrondoNice try china
It’s shit tho, over gassed, heavy, is a piston gun with a buffer tube 🫤
Does everything worse then a block2 or urgi in a similar package
@@rondobrondoFSB agent on his first day
holy shit I never thought about it
the HK416 is the new version of the FAL
it literally is the right arm of the free world
Most people get blown up not shot so not really the "right arm"
@@basiliskwardroid shhhhhhh
I wanted to make same comment
The FAL is op in so many games, idk about irl tho
@@basiliskwardroidExplosives are the big d*** of the free world.
"These guns are more run-through than the chicks at the AVN awards"
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The Marine Corps basically uses this as their primary arm now lol
For infantry, yes 416s. The wing, logistics, and supporting units for the infantry still have M16/4A1 and will for the forseeable future.
Those Germans know a thing or two about building awesome weapons.
And they've had nothing but problems with it XD
@@chaoschaoforever uh? When may I ask?
@@chaoschaoforever Like what?
Last time I was this early, the Taliban didn’t have night vision.
Or black hawks, Mraps, m4's, Humvees, SAW's, millions of NATO ammo rounds, m16s, M2 Browning's, american made sniper rifles and on and on and.....
Thanks Trump
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@@psilobom lol
@psilobom trump did it while Biden is In office during it... the logic.
Of course they wait 40 years after my ETS to come up with a beautiful rifle like this. I had to settle for an M16A1 back in my day.
Thanks for your service
You ran the M16 through its paces so your grandkids and great grandkids could use the HK416 to defend Democracy, good sir.
we had it way easier than you guys, idk how yall managed with shitty optics and no mod rails
I too, carried the M16A1 Mine was made by H&R
dont worry. They are not switching to it. Its too expensive. 3-5k vs a 800 FN M4
Glad to see you actually getting first-person experience as a MIC spokesman, rather than relying on news articles and second-hand sources!
Good job on the video. I went to buy a MR556 back around 2014 because I just had to have a 416. The guy at the gun store said I will definitely sell you one but, you can get two of the exact same gun right here for the same price. It was the sig 516. I had never heard of it at that time, but the guy assured me the same engineer had designed both and had actually fixed a couple things on the 516 they had found after the 416 had been in the field for a while. So what did I do. What do you think, I bought two 516's, you can ÑEVER walk out of a gun store with money you walked in with. Everyone knows that!🤑
Important - the only reliable issues of the G36 were that german politics didn`t understand that an assault rifle is no LMG
There were issues with reliability, poor accuracy and a breaking down of the plastics in hot, sunny environments.
@@BearClawAK47 and multiple militaries, like the latvian, did multiple test runs and found out, that it dosent have any issues.
@@BearClawAK47no there weren’t. They were disproven. But it was too late, the public and politic already had a bad opinion of the rifle.
As Well as old / wrong faulty ammo, they basicly webt cheao and took what they had or so ibsread of using what was supposed to be used 😂
@@BearClawAK47 That is wrong. HK sued and was able to prove in court that the rifle performed to specifications. Specifications did NOT included "rapidly fire several magazines in desert condition and still be precise", since as was mentioned before, the G36 is not an LMG. It's one of the best weapons you could wish for when used as intented, which is "snipe at Russians in single fire on several hundred yards with single fire". We were trained that you're only to use the F setting in close combat when precision doesn't matter anyway.
Saying that the HK has a 1MOA accuracy while the M-16 and the M4 have a 4MOA accuracy is a bit misleading. Most AR type rifles will relatively easily achieve 2 MOA. The minimum excepted accuracy for the army and the marines is 4 MOA as the rifling in the barrel degrades. which No Doubt will be the same standard for the HK 416.
Idk about that, HK makes some of the best barrels in the known universe and their machining tolerances inspire NASA
its because of the non free float barrel and the use of m855. The precision of the platform has been tested numerous times, and the marine corps used new rilfes in the M27 trials to have a fair comparison between the two platforms. The "official" story according to the USMC is that the M4 has a 4-6 MOA, an average at 4 at the LOW end, with M855. TFB actually leaked the still classified (lol) data by WTBN if youre ever interested in checking it out.
B-b-but the M4 is American and I want the American carbine to be better!
@@MaseratiChris556 tighter tolerances = more wear.
The only thing with the m16/m4 is that it doesn't have a free floating barrel, otherwise they'd perform very similarly. Hks piston system and barrel qualities also add to its consistency.
I learned about the HK 416 watching Future Weapons as a kid.We have great allies! 🇩🇪🤝🇺🇸
I saw the same episode and thought to myself, can't wait till that comes out to the Civilian market. I bought one back in 2012 off the Gun Broker website while I was contracting in Afghanistan. Still have it today, it's the Queen of my Gun safe.
Yes. I knew I wasn't the only one who first saw the HK416 in Future Weapons.
I was one of those Norwegian soldiers using it first. Went from HK G3 to HK 416. What an upgrade, really nice weapon!
50 years of development between.
@@maximilianreichelt9717 Yeah, My AG-3 was from 1968! We had some unlucky chap in the platoon that ended up with one made in 1965, it had a lot of issues. One of the soldiers even managed to break the stock of his AG-3 in the field during night. Not at the mounting point, but clean in the middle of the stock. Pretty damn crazy. Luckily that was like two weeks before we got the 416s. But he had to borrow an AG-3 the range.
We never managed to find that end part of the stock.. and believe me, we looked.
Yep, and so many were sceptical moving from 7.62. I love it , but then again i only had the G3 and 416. And as a bonus we got optics, wich was a rarity on the G3.
That map at around 1:25 is awesome! (I know, the least of comments...but always good to support the graphics people doing good work)
Norwegian here. I have one. They are great.
Lucky ass. What branch are you in
Alt for Norge! H7
Even the home guard has them these days. We traded in our trusty old hand cannons for these plastic toys a few years back. It was a welcome upgrade.
@@fnorgenYou get to keep your weapon at home?
@@mattconley541 (Norwegian) Regulations on conscription and home guard service § 87. It requires the soldier to store weapons, ammunition and other personal equipment
I have to ask what environmental conditions the DoD considers 'gay'.
navy ships
Rear echelon :/
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Great content. Nothing exotic or overly technical but so well presented, summarized and explained. That’s an underrated talent!
It's funny that as soon as NATO forces are adopting new 5.56 rifles we, the US, adopt a new rifle with a new cartridge.
It would be helpful, if you write from what country you are and what cartridge that is. Not all reading this are from your country.
@@maximilianreichelt9717 I would bet that he's referring to 9:17 in the video?
That's just for special forces, though. If there are ever plans to give it to the grunts then there would probably still be enough time to adopt the 300 Blackout as NATO standard before then.
XM7 would be for US Army infantry only, I think.
@@shaider1982 Right now it's being fielded with the 101st. If it works out with them they'll make whatever changes are suggested than roll it out wider
@@maximilianreichelt9717Türkiye 7.62 . New MPT 76 rifles are also 7.62
I had the M27(I believe it’s the same gun) in the Marine corps for 3 years. That was the best rifle Ive ever shot. And if you attached bipods it turned into a baby SAW. That thing was a blast.
The HK416 getting fame,
A certain individual who died on may 2nd,2011: What can I say except youre welcome!!!!
i thought it was delta force who used it against eliminating ISIS leader.. Or did devgru used it too in eliminating OBL?
Shuda got OBL advertising Bud Lite - might have worked better.
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@@SuperMetal4Eva Devgru used it on OBL, idk abt the delta force thing, maybe that too
you believe that bsthey refuse to release a photo of his raid.let alone him being shot like they claim😂 cause he looked eww 😂
It's like you're forcing me to get one at this point
Twist my arm already.
NATO peer pressure
He's like pointing a gun to my head and saying: "UUSE THIS GUUUUUN!!!"
M4 is better
Don't its overated and overpriced
My first deployment to Afghanistan we were under a Joint Task Force. I got to use my Norwegian counterparts rifle at the range and have loved the HK-416 ever since. Accurate, solid, and much gooder than the M-16/M-4. Good job on the Marine Corps for securing a better weapon system.
When AR guys realize gas pistons are actually better than direct impingement.
"Gooder"
This guy definitely lives off a diet of crayons.
@@-Zevin- Yeah but they are not. It offers niche advantages at the cost of less accuracy, more weight, more recoil, and is more expensive.
@@Nick-sx6jm Less accuracy is mostly a myth, you can still free float piston guns and get accuracy on par with 99% of DI guns, with more reliability far more heat resistance, and more recoil mitigation. Piston guns also handle gas pressure changes better including suppressors.
You can spin a globe and have your finger land on a random country and 90% chance that nation uses a piston rifle. There is a reason almost every nation on earth uses either long or short stroke gas pistons to this day, From Nato to Russia and China..
@-Zevin- Absolutely not a myth. It can be mitigated, but having a large amount of reciprocating mass connected to the barrel impacts accuracy. All things equal a DI gun will be a bit more accurate. Also, the reliability claims are not really true as the test he cites was rigged in favor of the 416, XM8, and scar. Modern DI guns are extremely reliable, and piston guns only offer niche advantages like shooting half a second after submerging.
As a BF3 veteran, the M27 IAR was far and away my most reliable gun. The bipod made it a beast at long range with semi auto and you can lay down full auto for suppression
Even BF Bad Company back in 2008 had this gun. Of course they modeled it wrong putting the ejection port on the left side.
My cousin Galen owns a moon. He told me "Quark, arms are where the money's at". Nobody ever became poor selling weapons.
That's fine, your more of a people person
What rule of acquisition is that one?
Is it true Damon,, that humans work with their females and force them to wear clothing?😮😂😂😊
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Hello from Norway 🤙🏻
Ar-18
You could not live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me.
Well, I mean, the G36 is just an AR18 as well. All HK did here was stick a G36 in an M4 rather than a weird fish shaped shell like the XM8. And mostly just to screw with FN and the SCAR. Which is also an AR18.
It's all AR18s and always has been.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I will always look down on all AR-18 derivatives. We could’ve had Armalite be a staple of the gun industry, providing fairly compact and cheaply made rifles in an intermediate cartridge to NATO in the 60’s. But we didn’t. But now we get all these knockoffs that everyone wants. Sincerely, an original AR-180 owner.
technically no because the buffer tube spring, right?
They could have just went with the AR-18, mod it a bit and save a ton of money. Just goes to show that those in charge of acquiring these weapons are not the best and the brightest, and probably "compensated" behind closed doors.
There are a large number of countries adopting DI ARs as well. The UK is giving its Royal Marines KAC Rifles for example. And with the number of M4s the US has given away in military aid and sales, I doubt the 416 will outright supplant the DI at variants.
Australia and a couple other places are uses LMTs aswell
Because the DI AR-15s are better, and the 416 is a solution looking for a problem. The amount of HK wank in these comments is comical. One dude is claiming HK makes the best barrels in the world, haha!
@@Anni3sgotagun I know New Zealand uses an LMT as does Estonia, but Australia ? As far as I know Australia uses a domestically produced variant of the Aug.
DI rifles are being supplied to higher tier units that can be expected to provide the necessary cleaning and care to ensure they work to the highest level. Piston guns are best for the 18 year old private with a room temp IQ that you're going to throw en masse at the enemy and who's rifle needs to work no matter what.
I LOVE IT WHEN YOU SHOW WHAT EACH SQUAD MEMBER USES
I trust HK over SIG any day of the week.
You should make a video on the M4 URGI. From what I can tell US SOF has for the most part moved on from the 416’s to the M4 URGI’s due to them weighing less and being just as reliable.
What makes a URGI different from say an FN M4?
@@mattmurphy7030free floated geissele mk16 handguard
Daniel defense 14.5/11.5 barrels and uses a geissele ssae trigger along with far superior accessories such a Surefire RC2 supressors and better optic packages and lasers
@@mattmurphy7030 Main difference: it goes from a carbine-length gas system to a mid-length system. This pushes the gas block farther out, with a longer gas tube, allowing the gas to chill tf out a little bit more before it goes back down the gas tube and back into the gun, resulting in less parts wear, gentler recoil and according NSWC Crane (SEAL gun testing people) increased reliability. They also swapped the 7" or so quad rail out for a 13.5" MLOK handguard that's more comfy and lighter - and especially lighter than the RIS II rail found on the M4A1 SOPMOD Block II. Aside from that, the URGI has a few other small improvements here and there, but those are the main ones.
No US SOF that used the 416 regularly is using the URGI. The URGI replaced Block 2 Sopmod M4s. The only thing that has replaced the 416 is the Noveske that Dev uses
@@JaxPC_ cool, good to know thanks. Those are legit changes that I made to my own M4 clone.
I can confirm that HK’s Barrels on pretty much all of their guns are insane. I have no idea how they do it so well. I’ve seen USP’s and USP compacts in 9mm go 100,000 rounds without a significant loss of accuracy. The HK416 barrels seem to be able to last about 30k on average before they start having significant accuracy issues (but we’re still talking like within 4-6moa)
They just make such good guns man. Even the VP9 is really good, and that’s the gun they make right now with the most problems, and it’s still extremely good. The only thing that goes wrong with it is that, sometimes rarely, that weird shaped coil thing will break. Again, this is very rare.
I daily carry a USP Compact in 9mm with a 17+1 VP9 magazine and an X-grip to fill in the space of the longer mag and it’s amazing
Barrels use a proprietary steel. And Germans love to overengineer things.
Might have your slide checked. In my Bundeswehr time, we swapped the P8 for P8A1 because they tended to explode. Service life was meant to be 10000rds, which had been severely exceeded with some of the P8s we had.
Stock trigger in that USP C 9?
@@simonb6982and also had to do with the "hotter" ammo the BW uses...
They need to update the USP and .45s to fit 14 rounders.
unfortunately I cant paddle release mags because finger too short so rip🤣
The SigSauer Rattler surely has way less range and is a lot more expensive to shoot than the HK416. That's only going to be the weapon of choice for very specific operators.
Sig fan boy found
The Rattler is a nice rifle, most units buying MCXs are going 10" or 14" versions.
I bought a piston action m4 15 years ago made in Fayette Missouri. 825$ back then. Thousands of rounds later it is still perfect. Never a misfire. Never noticed the recoil difference.
I-fired this magnificent rifle back when I am doing shooting practice with our country's most elite unit and on that moment, I fell in love with the gun. Damn HK416 is the best.
And hey Cappy! I'm that COD 3D model creator saying "Hoaaahhhh!"
German infantry weapons seem always to have been, taken together, the best made and best thought-out as a combined arms -ensemble (since eg the Silesian sharpshooters and 2-ib infantry guns) through to WWII (3 or 6 MG34 per platoon, SMGs and later a scoped rifle for NCOs) .. MG3s and HK-416s are about as good as you can get if you want combined MG plus AR/SMG performance for defence/close range attack ..
It's all good and dandy until you see the G36...
MG3 is an outdated gun. Very, very good for its time but today it's just heavy, clunky, incompatible with modern attachments and awkward to use in comparison. I was in the German Army and had to carry this thing and was glad when we switched to MG4. It's just the better MG for infantry.
We now use the MG5, which is even better than the trusty old h-saw. No HK416s yet, still rocking the 1996ish standard G36
@@luzifer960MG3 was a brilliant gun when I trained with it. It purrs.
@@etuanno The G36 is overengineerd, like a sciefi gun :D
I remember being one of the first Norwegians in mandatory military service to get my hand on this spec-op feeling rifle.
Quite a departure from the workhorse G3 handcannon.
Part of the decision to move to a more handleable gun and lighter ammo might also come from the introduction of universal military service for women.
Are women in Norway held to lower physical standards like in the U.S.?
@@PentaRaus
..as they are in most countries.
.. Which doesn't mean they can't make fine soldiers.
The Ukrainians for example have a bunch of deadly female snipers. ..as the USSR had in WW2.
Of course, is hard/unrealistic to see women as grunts or combat engineers, but there are areas where strength simply isn't as important.
@@damianm-nordhorn116that’s one thing that’s so interesting about great Snipers, it seems like it happens to be one of those “gifted talents” that some people just seem to be blessed with; as in, it’s one of those things that some minds are born with regardless of gender or who their parents are or who they even are at all - a latent ability that can become powerful with even minimal formal training. I believe that some people are just born to be a musician, or even born to be a specific kind of musician, and I also believe that some people are just born to be snipers, and they should have a chance to prove themselves regardless of who they are.
We all know at least one person, whether irl or just knowing about them, who just seems like they were born to shoot because they’ve always been a natural talent, they learn years worth of skills in months or weeks, and they are perfectly focused and happy and lost in the sport when they’re shooting
@@PentaRausYes, with some exceptions for select units. The top physical grade you can get is also equal for both women and men.
So at the highest levels, no, else yes
The goal in 2008 when the 416 was phased in was 50% of the NCOs and officers being women, and 1% of the soldiers being women, so I kind of doubt it.
They had enough MP-5s to hand out to the short girls anyway. There's a reason it was nicknamed jente-5.
I love my weapon controls laid out in an intuitive AR style. I also love HK. Glorious combo.
The debate about the G36 was stupid and not based on facts.
1. West Germany wanted to replace the G3 with the G11. The G11 had issues, but was too much ahead of it's time. 1990 with the end of the cold war Germany had to replace the soviet Rifles in East Germany. So they wanted a cheaper alternative to the G11. The G36 was chosen. Since that, the government ordered nearly 30 years the same G36 in the first version, while HK improved it to A2 and developed the successor XM8.
2. The G36 was never developed for desert use, where the problems occurred. It was designed to defend Germany.
3. It was used for suppression fire in full auto mode and should then hit perfectly in semi auto. It is an assault rifle, not a machine gun. It was never developed for that. Investigations came to the conclusion that there isn't a better choice. Everyone who understands physics knows hot metal expand. More metal needs more heat to expand. And like before HK has the right product for that. The LMG36. It has an thicker barrel for extensive auto fire. But it was never ordered by the government.
The problem is not the G36. It is the government to not order the right product for the right job. Moving to the HK416 was only done, that these politicians can make HK guilty and don't lose their own head.
Only the make HK guilty part didn´t work, at least in circles more educated on the topic. HK didn´t eat that crap and won in court. only the PR damage was already done by politicians who didn´t even know which end of a G36 to point away from you.
@@alexanderkupke920 Well, in between the German military gave the contract to Haenel, who had offered a blatant copy of the HK416 for a lower price. Then H&K sued Haenel for copyright infringement and won, and the German army was forced to revoke the contract and give it to H&K.
In my opinion there are factions in German politics who hate H&K and what it stands for, and they are willing to resort to any dirty trick in order to damage H&K.
@@highks496 I got less of the impression that they actively wanted to Damage H&K. I, once again, was under the impression that they wanted to much of a single item, at the lowest possible price. What I have seen, has been more wories about Haenel actually belnonging to some investment firm from the UAE, if I am not mistaken.
The main issue I've had with the G36E is that it is hopelessly outdated.
The integrated sight is terrible, the giant carry handle is the opposite of ergononic, the weapon is way too long and installing anything on the carry handle is a pain.
That said, the newer state of the art G36KV is genius and straight up incredible.
@@juanlulourido548 E stands for Export. V is for Verkauf (sell). E or V is the cheaper version and both are the same. It has a 1.5x Scope. The non E/V for military use has a Red Dot and a 4x Scope. So yes E and V sucks. There is a RAS Version with Picatinny Rail, without Handle or optics, like the HK416.
K is for Kurz (short). C is for Compact. Without is the full length. K and Standard is available as military, E/V and RAS. C is only RAS.
And then you have versions from A0 to A4. For example there is a version of the G36KV without Picatinny Rail, one Version with a short Rail on the Top and the newest Version is the same as the RAS Version.
All are the same system, so you can modify a G36E to a G36K, if you have the spare parts. So the G36KV is only the short version of the G36E, but not newer. The hole G36 system is over 35 years old.
Huh. So, back in the day when I built my piston AR and was roundly mocked by all the experts on the gun boards, it was them who got it wrong. This gives me a happy.
I mean it's just a short-stroke gas-piston AR15, that happens to be made by H&K and costs H&K money.
Dude. Thanks for saying it.
Lol...Devil's in the details
They brought the new age short stroke piston game to town. Now everyone and their dog has them. LMT, LWRC,POF, SIG etc. I like my HK MR short stroke and my soft shooting long stroke PWS 114 Mod2.
It's not "JUST" a short stroke piston when you led the way.
@@Kaltwasser45 Except they're just copying Eugene Stoner's homework from the AR18. They didn't lead any way. Heck, even the G36 and it's derivatives were just copying the AR18 to the point where even the bolt carriers and recoil spring assemblies are almost identical with just some tweaks to the dimensions for packaging reasons.
@@shred1894 Yeah, I'd say Colt copied Stoner with the 703 long stroke piston and then HK developed the short stoke piston on that.
The HK bolt carrier is weighted at the tail to mitigate carrier tilt. The buffer tube has OTB holes, then later on the A5 adjustable piston.
On the G36, I have no idea what you mean about them being similar recoil systems. Everything is different on the G36, it still functions as a short stroke piston. Ergos are different, the whole gun is different. The bolt assembly is way different than an AR.
I still think the LMT MARS-L would've been a better option for the USMC for a variety of reasons.
Apparently French army buy the AK416F around 1000€, maybe 1300€.
Yes, at the time they revealed the cost of the contract, I had calculated between €1,000 and €1100/HK416.
I heard their 416s are made with noisy (weapons clicks are loud) metals of a lesser quality, to make it affordable. Also, the noises made by the weapons’ action would not be problem since regular units are not supposed to do any kind of stealth stuff.
I purchased a HK416 a few years ago and I operate the rifle every weekend. I have never had a failure with this rifle.
I have a sig 516 patrol modeled after the h&k 416. Love the rifle.
Every time you post, I'm excited!
AK-47, AR-15 (and FAL, I guess): Welcome to the club
Hk416 is just a sexy ass rifle
Ass rifle?
oo la hooah
I can hear the GFL fans muffled cheering in the distance
@@Spearralol, same here
I’m one of those gfl fans
@@SpearraI'm surprised our existence was acknowledged
I literally just made this my primary weapon in ghost recon wildlands this week after years of not using it and NOW get a video about it.
Most have been aware of the 416 in the civilian market, it just cost way too much for most to justify having one. The price in the civi market didn't seem justified to most.
Eugene Stoner's other .556 rifle design had a short stroke gas piston system decades ago.That gun was designated the AR 18. It was designed to be a cheap rifle so it was made with stampings and never really found a large fan base, but the SS gas piston is not too different from what the HK 416 uses today. In the original Terminator film, the full auto rifle used to shoot up the police station is an AR 18 variant. Of course short stroke piston guns have been around even longer than that.
Ar15 for those who think di is superior
416 for those who think di is unreliable
Mcx for those who hate buffer tubes
Ak47 for those who are not allowed to have an opinion 😂
Aug for those who hate the NFA
P90 for those who want a true ambidextrous weapons platform.
Mcx for those who hate money.
@@ryanbauer3680 bro what a p90 isn't comparable to all those other rifles it shoots peas lol
The 416 isnt really 1 MOA, they're more like 2-2.5, and the M4 and M16 standard was 3 MOA, with some exceptions being tighter or worse.
That is an interesting assertion and I am inclined to agree with you. However, one of the things I think is kind of loose in discussions about MOA is how MOA is being defined in the mind of person talking about it.
When people say something like, “this rifle is capable of 2.5” MOA,” there is a lot of information missing in the statement. Manufacturers publish “MOA” in advertising copy all the time and, of course, they are going to determine that figure under ideal conditions. Even when you are talking about what most shooters can achieve with a particular rifle, there is still a lot of information missing. The rifle probably isn’t clamped in a vise, shooting off a bench but is the rifle resting on sandbags, on a bipod, from a foxhole, or is the shooter prone unsupported? What ammunition is being used, and what other factors apply such as wind, temp, etc.
My impression is that you are right - under standard military qualification range conditions (up to light rain and light to moderate wind), shooting from a fighting position or prone, resting on sandbags, firing government issued ball ammo, and a rifle (M16 descendant) they were assigned out of their unit’s arms room, most people can get their group down to about 5 inches at 100 yards. Whatever the rifle might be capable of most shooters’ best group of the day might be around 3 inches.
@@ColdHawk I think it's disingenuous for anyone to assert a MOA figure without also mentioning the ammunition used to achieve that MOA.
i'm gonna need some links to support this assertion. my civilian 416 (MR223) is 0.7-0.9 MOA with 55gr Geco DTX, i.e. bulk training ammo
@@Snarknado5 And you can also achieve this accuracy with an M4 or M16, there are far too many variables in production and ammunition to get a real definitive MOA capability. The problem and why I made my comment, is that the test parameters are guaranteed to be different between HK's testing, Colt's testing and the military testing at different times. Even variations in load consistency, temperature, elevation, humidity etc can all significantly effect accuracy.
@@Will-ql5db That's also a problem I have with all of these rifle "spec" arguments. The AK and AR and others are all much much closer in real world accuracy, the manufacturers just like adding on another sales pitch feature as to why we are spending more money.
It's one of the best ARs ever made and it's probably THE finest rifle ever issued en masse to fighting men.
I think its a bit far from the ArmaLite to be called one.
I was in the marine corps when they made the swap. It was kinda wild. We went from running around with unsuppressed M4s to the M27 firing full auto with suppressors. Not to mention the new gen high cut Kevlar and gen 4 flaks. It was wild. It definitely increased the confidence of our platoon. We finally felt like operators lol. I was in 3/6 for anyone asking.
I see that very first Sturmgewehr but remastered, am i the only one?
Its almost as if it defined an entire weaponsystem
This just looks like a generic AR platform weapon to me but maybe I just don't have enough gun autism or Stoner's influence was just that prolific.
@@weall1208Yes his influence was that prolific. It uses the AR-15 shape with the AR-18 operating mechanism. Both of which Stoner designed.
The problem though with the 416 is that it uses almost exclusively proprietary parts.
@@chaoschaoforeverUsing only proprietary parts is pretty based tho.
@@ls200076 Not when it comes to logistics it doesn't. For special forces guys like Delta and the SEALs, the 416 makes sense, because they get all the specially made gear meant for them. You can make the argument like Cappy here that the 416 makes sense for the Marines as well since they focus on Maritime Ops but when the Marines basically say lol no to the bigger badder Marksman version (the HK417) for an upgraded M110 (which is basically a fancy AR-10) that uses the same operating system as the AR-15. Makes ya raise an eyebrow.
"Shikikan, I am all you need" - 416
Fr fr, can never say no to 416 chan
The U.S. military canceled OICW and XM8 in a row. HK fucked in a row.
When the U.S. Army was doing the SCAR project, USSOCOM was doing the M4A1 improvement project to solve the M4A1's cook-off and Jam problems, and Delta Force was deeply involved and completed HK416.
Short-stroke Gas Piston and precision barrel.
As HK416 gained popularity mainly for U.S. military special forces, the U.S. Army greatly reduced the introduction of FN SCAR and increased the introduction of HK416. The U.S. Marine Corps wrote on the document that it was nominally a LMG and in fact it was completely replaced with HK416.
The Sig Virtus is a gas piston 5.56 rifle that does the exact same thing. It’s ultra reliable too and the barrels last for 50K rounds fired.
This is a well informed, well scripted video. Had an LWCRI M6 IC with fluted 16 inch barrel for several years. Haven’t really run it a lot, but from what I have, can’t say I really noticed any weight or recoil impulse disadvantages over M4s. For me, it’s been good for 1.5 inch groups at 100 yds with lower cost 75 grain FMJ. Cleaning for me is a breeze compared to a direct impingement system. Regardless of claims, I run it with a lite lube coating.
Never underestimate a military or unit wanting to buy a more expensive version of what they already have...
I guess you also pick your car by looking which one has the nicest color...
Happens you are correct.
However in this instance the push is from bottom up.
i don't understand why Colt couldn't just evolve a little bit, and just offer the M4 with an alternative piston-driven version.
@@Will-ql5db They already have the 6940. The 416 is more than just a piston gun, it has other OTB changes as well.
You too can get a semi-auto version for only $4000.
It used to be $2500. wth?
It should be mentioned that the HK416 has a free floating barrel, which is what makes it more accurate than the M4. It also can be fired in full auto, in contrast to the M4's burst fire.
M4A1 has full auto
I believe that's correct, but I know for a fact that before the M27 started coming in, US Marines did not have any rifles that fired in full auto; they were all burst fire weapons.
@@inebriatedengineering6288, weird, didn’t Marines use the M16A1?
Honestly, I didn't track the sub models thoroughly, but they did use a variant of the M16 while I was in, of which was only in burst fire and semi auto. They eventually changed over to the M4, which had the same firing modes.
@@inebriatedengineering6288 yes, M16A2. Before that which came into service in the early 80s both Army and Marines used M16A1 which had full instead of burst.
I carry an m27 IAR with a trijicon SCO instead of an acog and a Harris bipod with an NT-4 suppressor. It’s heavy as hell. It’s very accurate and great for what we do in marine infantry but the weight does become an issue on long hikes and even longer field ops
Tested it in a variety of conditions, rainy, muddy, dusty, gay, straight. Love it!
yeah, but an HK rifle is way to expensive to be burying it in sand & torture tests.
In Germany a lot of soldiers were dissapointed with the switch though. The G36 was actually very liked and although most did agree that switching the main rifle after about 30 years is a good thing, the "same but better" version was also avaible with the HK433 family. With a folding stock, no fordurb assist (sorry), a bitch handle to slap, xtra style points etc. The shorter variant of 437 with folding stock is basically MP5 size and super quiet in .300 Blackout. Some police units also switched to those. Could have used that for drivers/cooks/pilots/whatever and get rid of the MP7 they use for that too. Could save quite some money with basically one system in the entire army. The best AR15 is still just an AR15 (sorry again) and even if that new fury horse calibre won't run anywhere and needed a replacement...don't think Mr Stoner would use an AR15 in the 21. century.
Did you really just referance BudLight and "positive buzz" 😂
416 is my absolute favorite platform of all time. Closest I ever got to it though was being an m27 gunner in infantry.
One of the best videos you’ve made. Massive props.
Those dust test were rigged man, some of the reported problems with how the test was conducted.
- The test where it was just the M4 by itself was comparable to the 416, XM8, and SCAR in stoppages.
- It wasn't repeatable, usually for tests, you expect to be able to get similar results if you try again, but the m4 stoppages in dust test 2 (296 stoppages) is very low compared to dust test 3 (863).
- The tests were done in different times of the year, dust test 2 which was only the m4 was conducted in the summer of 2007 while dust test 3 which was conducted with the m4 and the rest of the rifles was conducted in the Fall of 2007.
- Testers likely during dust test 3 didn't know how the M4 3 burst fire control group worked which was like a cog that resets every 3 rounds fired. So if you were to only fire 2 rounds in a burst, and then went to try a 3 round burst, you'd only get 1 round fired since the cog reset. So the testers like counted when it didn't do a full 3 round burst as a malfunction which played a part in the abnormally high malfunctions in dust test 3 compared to dust test 2.
- All the competitor guns (HK & SCAR) were not guns just taken right off the assembly line, these were bespoke guns, hand fitted and tested each part for maximum reliability, way different compared to mass production guns. They also used new magazines that worked well with their guns.
- The M4's submitted for the test however were not new guns, they were found to be early model M4's (likely around mid-late 90's, and the tests happened late-2000's), so while it can't be said for certain, the rifles had been definitely used before, much more than the 416, XM8, and SCAR. They were also given USGI magazines that were also not new.
Dust test methods are very sus and likely rigged, the whole test was only started cause a politician wanted to get political influence from the public and repeatedly slandered the rifle and tried getting feedback forms from soldiers done, and cherry picked their statements, since most statements of the M4 were positive with only mild negative statements and feedback for improvement. And the other firearm companies went along with it, hopping to get that all lucrative US Army standard issue rifle contract.
TLDR: Dust tests should never be used as a reliable source since the intentions of the test were not unbiased.
Thats a long comment
If you've never seen it Chris from small arm solutions channel does a pretty deep dive about that. He was there on the Colt side
I'd say dust tests are important, but you absolutely have to make the test protocols repeatable and need a statistically significant sample size. I'm sure the 416 is more reliable, especially in longer missions in bad environments, but that doesn't mean the m4 was bad for most soldiers.
from what I understood a lot of the stoppages for the M4 were magazine related
@@Taskandpurpose That played a part to, since they weren’t new magazines compared to the others. It’s just that were also other factors that also contributed to it. Just never like using the dust test as a source since a lot went wrong with it and makes the M4 rifle look way worse compared to other rifles that had the advantage in that test.
Meanwhile the romanian army still uses bootleg aks made in the 1960s while not issuing any body armor except a steel helmet made in the 70s with ww2 technology.
Romania is not on the top ten countries to invade in the next 50 years, and it has been a while since anybody said 'oh no, the Romanians are coming'.
@@conormcmenemie5126 it is on the frontline of ukraine though, so we're going to be invaded not do the invading.
I can only hope to not be conscripted. Few fates are worse than this.
@@Anton43218 Sorry Anton - I should have been more thoughtful. It is easy being here in Edinburgh in the extreme north west of europe on an island.
@@conormcmenemie5126 yep you are one lucky fuck compared to me.
I am 19, male, poor and my 55+yo parents said to me when the ukraine war started that they will tie me by my hands and knees once mobilization is enacted only letting me go once the enrollment officer comes to collect me. They do not even like this country yet they want me to die for it.
@@conormcmenemie5126 yep you are lucky compared to me.
I am 19, male, poor and my 55+yo parents said to me when the ukraine war started that they will tie me by my hands and knees once mobilization is enacted only letting me go once the enrollment officer comes to collect me. They do not even like this country yet they want me to die for it.
German special forces seem to switch to 300 blk too, but with HK433
300 BLK isn't what it was advertised to be.
@@065Tim The Bundeswehr ordered almost 200 for its special forces in February of this year.
But it is not called HK433 but HK437. It is more or less an HK 433 in 300 Blk
@@eagelseye8089
Yeah definitely the 437 slaps.
Too bad we'll never see one in the US 😢
@@065Tim I disagree. It's about using the right tool for the application. A suppressed 300 lives next to my bed. It's a killer subsonic round with a ton of ammo options. The supers are no slouch, nah it's no DMR round, it serves a purpose.
It just gets a bad rap now because people seem to trash it because it's not a do it all cartridge. 5.56 or 6.8 still owns that me thinks. Those obviously have limitations too, but broader applications.
NAFO fella at 9:44, such sweet thing. Thank you.
love the dig at the digicam
gay, straight it just worked
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Just like the navy
@@MilitaryPlayer141Marines are part of the Navy. Marines are straight up gay.
I don't care how you identify as long as you identify as anti-authoritarian
Oh would you look at that it has direct fire mode very nice, I hear that's the hot new thing from your last video. See what you mean now.
I see your HK 416 and raise it to PWS's long stroke piston AR-15
I'd be interested in buying one, but their compound rifle and ambidextrous bolt catch is only for sending the bolt home, and they refuse to sell their barrels because of their proprietary barrel install. Which FRANKLY, is ridiculous. Can't keep a spare barrel and you can't use a an ambidextrous bolt catch, it's asinine and a huge misstep by them. I was so ready to buy one too, but I need to be able to replace the parts myself. There is NO reason I should have to ship my AR15 out of state to get a new barrel installed at their ridiculous pricing.
I've got an hk416 and they are an amazing weapons system glad you covered it on here
I've held one of the original first issued M16's in my hands. One without a forward assist, but was issued the M16A1, with a forward assist, then later used the M16A2's then left the service just before the M4 took over. I'm pretty sure I could use this weapon with no problems. It would feel natural.
The G36 is a fine gun tho. The "issues" were home made by the German army when they ordered a stupid configuration for their rifles. It was a long ongoing shi* show over here...
Everyone talks like the 416 was absolutely infallible yet guys that actually used it, have talked about issues with it. Matt Pranka and Slade talked about how suppressors increased fire rate and caused runaways...in shoot houses!. GBRS guys said that they stripped every HK part that they could off of it because it was so heavy. Slade recently made an Insta post about feeling nostalgic for his 416, even though it was a heavy and finicky bitch....
A tano CAG clone is still my dream gun thoug
I observed a problem with AKs
They are so simple and reliable it is difficult to make any major changes in them
Like a bicycle
They changed and solved most problems since 1974
I actually watch these videos of yours as much for the humor as the info!
It seems like a really nice rifle I can see why a lot of countries would want one
When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
Nothing free about me not being able to own one. WHERES MP7??
Mp7 is pretty trash tho. It lives out of its legend and rarity more than quality or capabilities
Pardon Larry Vickers!
FREE LARRY!!!
or maybe don't become a felon?
@@Keithustus You 100% would’ve been a Torie during early America.
@@MaseratiChris556 nope, 100% American all the way! Monarchies are ass.
@@Keithustus your statements are contradictory AF make up your mind. Either you support the 2nd or you don’t Larry Vicker’s case is a product of an overreaching government.
15:00 that's why I like my X-95. Even with an aftermarket forend, flashlight, pressure switch, and magpul VFG, it will still balance on the grip. Super comfy to shoot fast and carry.
Can we talk for a moment how insane the concept of police departments having the same gun that the military uses is?
Problem is H&K doesn't seem particularly interested in selling 416's to US civilians.
Uh, because they can't lol. They sell the MR556 to us.
@@Kaltwasser45 And charge us double for the privilege lol
Like u americans charge us the double for your Stuff 😙
As a 416 owner fuck HK and their U.S branch because the reason their rifle has been quietly spreading is because of their elitist prices.
Could u expand on that?
Quietly spreading because it's expensive? Lol. Countries like France needed a new infantry rifle. To replace the odd Famas. Just like other countries. No one is buying it because it's expensive. Lol they are buying it because it's a step up from what they had.
@ericmorris3948 yes sir I would, but Mr David already answered it perfectly. F.J.B
@@davidjob4909 ^
@@davidjob4909 The SCAR itself should have failed in face of the Robinson Arms XCR and I'm not even american. Why the hell did no branch ever got issued the XCR? Amazing rifle with amazing build quality (if you don't account for of the past issues which did exist) and excellent concept. The only thing it doesn't have is an ambi charging handle basically.
The Hk416/M27 is better the Spear.
Lmao anything's better than an M7. Even a tired worn out m4 that's suffered 20 years of GI abuse is better than a spear. The entire MCX series of rifles is SIG's premier line of craptastic grift. 😂
@@7ElevenTrutherI hate to just dogpile Sig Sauer USA on the internet and feed into the hate, but I really really do not like SS USA: I don’t respect them at all because of their horrible business practices and their lack of any moral fiber (intentionally fueling a drug war in Colombia with weapons, and breaking national and international law to get those weapons there.)
They regularly steal IP and other advantageous, insider info from their various partners companies they’ve had over the years, including stealing all the development work and research and production secrets from a much much smaller company than them that they had been partnered up with by the government to develop some military equipment, and they stole their secrets and used all that knowledge and expertise for themselves, and they ended up running that smaller company out of business.
And the whole SIG + SIG SAUER + all the other companies that are “separate” but like still connected is also really confusing and Sig Sauer USA can’t even really claim to be SIG or have any of their history or pedigree.
The last good gun Sig Sauer made was the P226 series/family of handguns, of which there are obviously tons of models and tons of BS modified versions of the same thing that they up charge like crazy on. Like how they have like 10 different guns in the P226 family, and there’s also like 10 P365 versions and a fuck ton of P320.
And I hate how they have regularly been using customers as beta testers over the last 25 years. It was probably around the millennia that SS started going to shit. May have even been before that, I’m not sure. They put out guns that have massive problems that don’t show up for a few hundred or few thousand rounds, and then suddenly they are shitting themselves and either completely break in a catastrophic way that basically “totals” the gun and you need to replace a whole slide or a whole frame, or some minor part of it they didn’t design or test well suddenly fails within the first few hundred rounds and now the gun is borked but at least it’s a somewhat reasonable repair… except that their replacement parts are also overpriced and probably just as likely to fail as the original part.
They charge way too much for what you get. Even the P365 was having serious issues for a loooong time. But they had such a huge lead on the micro compact market compared to everyone else, that they had free reign to sell probably in the millions of them without any real competition doing quite the same thing. It wasnt a pocket pistol, but it’s also not a compact. And that was cool to people who wanted high capacity in a tiny package. And they were able to sell sooooo many of them, that they were actually getting overwhelmed with all the repair requests for so many broken guns, but at least this way they were given tons of data that the bosses over there were too cheap to get properly designed and tested to begin with. And there were so many problems with all of their “modern” handgun lineups that, with so many people owning them, they actually had to pay attention and work to solve these issues.
Their CEO’s and highest internal leaders are just so corrupt and so checked out from running the company and trying to do something truly great. It’s just a boys club where friends help each other out by getting them a cushy job with a massive pay check + lots of “influence”, status, and something nice to have on their resume if they go somewhere else.
And they pay most of their employees like shit compared to what they should be earning
Btw, for Sig handguns, except the p226 Navy, which is amazing. I would muuuuch rather have something like an S&W Shield Plus instead of P365, and for any of their normal compacts, I’d much rather have a USP compact or a Glock 19 or a CZ P-10, or a Walther PDP, or even an M&P 2.0
@@7ElevenTrutheraw it’s not too bad! I like the base MCX but then again I was running a can on it. More accurate than I can shoot and would feed any round
Then why is Delta running Spears now?
@@michaelwu9450 It would be a decent rifle for $1200, but for what they charge it's a total grift. SIG today reminds me of Boeing, a once great company reduced to marketing gimmicks and profits over quality products.
For Norway, I can see two good reasons for the switch. Fully loaded, the HK 416 is about 600 grams (about 1.3lbs) lighter than a fully loaded HK AG-3. It's chambered in 5.56x45mm, while the AG-3 is chamberd in 7.62x51mm (AKA 308 and comparable to the Russian 7.62 x 54mmR), making the 4 full magazines on the body a lot lighter too. (Same goes for switching from steel M1 helmet (old US type) to composite). The other good reason was that the AG-3's were getting pretty old and a bit worn out. The two I had the honor of carrying weren't completely useless over 200m, but getting a rifle that would shoot accurately and give a proper grouping was basically luck of the draw. And the Norwegian armed forces were upgrading a lot during that time.
I will say, however, if there was one single item used by the infantry in 1995 that should have been switched out years before, it would be the radio. I don't know when the US army stopped lugging around the fucking 11Kg (24lbs) piece of shit AN-PRC 77, but I bet it was in the 70's, and I bet they were glad for the switch, and soldiers these days should be fucking ecstatic they don't have to carry it! The utter lack of range! The weight! The crap batteries! Oh, don't get me wrong, it's great that it's easy to service, but you're not gonna do that in the field! The best part about it was that it was likely to stop a bullet if you were walking behind the radio operator. And you get more security and range these days with a PMR radio! (If the antenna you were using was a folded down brush whip, that is).
14:50 *"...walk around in the Arizona heat..."* Shows Cappy in bear-suit jacket gortex, getting rained on.
Bro thinks he is Jager from Rainbow Six: Siege.