In the ocean… AWESOME SIR! Now can u compare the HK to the new Sig that the US is swapping to. Would it had been better to just change the caliber to the 6.8? If even possible. Thx honky! Keep up the cool vids for us call of dooty nerds😂
The HK416 really is the result of HK actually understanding why no project to replace the AR-15 worked in the past. The US military, regardless of what they asked for, just wanted a better m4.
Arkady Kalashnikov stopped to listen to the guys working at the coal face to hear what tools they needed to get the job done. I'm working on an engineering project and have to continuously impress on the crew that the task needs a tipper truck, but they always try to steer the project towards a farrari. Perhaps the perennial failing is that the design team leader tries to be high performence and elegent, whilst forgetting that this tool gets down and dirty.
@@michaelmichaelagnew8503and now they’ve got a bunch of guys running URG-I’s and other dope, modernized M4 style rifles with mid length gas systems and mlok handguards and all the stuff that competition shooters and civilian sport shooters were driving the market on
One important points that wasnt mentioned. HK is one of the very few companies that can actually fullfill a conctruct of 100k rifles in a reasonable time
Are these made down the road? Sadly the only company jobs you can see are really tame... which I would imagine means some outsourcing of eng, to better suppliers... i mean a bulging order book should be scaling up... website German, speak so OK but your average US or UK or even Pinoy grunt won;t, and US is only sales... so hoepfully these army units write their own support manuals... Can you imagine NATO inter-operability, and everyone was also required to speak German... WTF...
@@wld-ph Judging by your english you live in a 3rd world country. German instruction manuals are machined with precision. You have no idea what you are talking about. What army even hands out instruction booklets anyway? "3 lines of bullets means full auto". Genius.
@@wld-ph it is a german company and the research and development is made in germany. what do you expect from them? if you do not speak and write german you are more or less illiterate to them. furthermore most of there production is done in house in germany.
I knew it was a big deal when France, a country that insists on as much domestic stuff for their armed forces as much as possible, selected the HK416 as its service rifle to succeed the FAMAS. The US Marines originally just wanted the straight up HK416 but faced hurdles to get it. That's how the M27 came about as a tweaked version of the 416. The Corps then said that it just wanted it to replace the M249 SAW. Then later wanted it for every one in an infantry squad with it. It's one of the weirdest roundabout ways to get a rifle in general issue that I seen the Marines have to do. They wanted the 416 bad.
France chose the 416 because the government armament procurements agency wasn’t sure France small arms’ manufacturers could provide in sufficient numbers in the timeframe and take care of for a 30 years old or so the number of rifles it needed. Contrary to Cold War Era when it was national arsenals and factories providing the weapons, such as the Famas, the ships, the tanks etc., nowadays it is the private sector. Unlike other more important sectors, France ´s small arms manufacturers aren’t as much of an important sector for the defence because they aren’t a national defensive priority. So France searched for the best deal, and the best deal was offered by HK.
To expand on that, it actually does make sense for France and Germany to have joint ownership over a firm like this that will provide a very good small arm to the wider EU and the world. German engineering strikes again.
@@brunol-p_g8800 People had so much more money to spend in cold war era. Today we spend tax cash to make billionaires instead having a nice state owned factory making the weapons and lowering taxes with the profits they made with exports.
At least in Germany, it's tradition to change the name. The naming is following very strict rules. Attachment with number, weapon typ, consecutive number, specialization, change with number. The G stands for "Gewehr" (Rifle) and all Assault and sniper Rifles have a G name (G3, G36, ... and now G95 (even now G95k was already G38)), so everyone knows its a Assault or Sniper Rifle, like all "Maschienengewehre" (machine guns) are named MG (MG3, MG4, MG5, ...), all "Pistolen" (pistoles) are named P (P8, P30, P9, P1, ...), and all "Maschienenpistolen" (submachine guns) are named MP (MP5, MP7, ...). When understanding the system it gets easy. So let's look as example at "AGG36A1", meaning "Anbau Granatpistole Gewehr36 Änderung1" (literly "Attachment Grenatlauncher Rifle 36 change 1"). It's a G36 (original HK 50), so the 36 in the military introduced Rifle, with change 1 (thats a adjustable stock), with a granatlauncher attacht. Or the "G36KE" meaning "Gewehr36 Kurz Exportversion" (literly "Rifle 36 short export version"). It's also a HK 50 (G36) that still was introduced in the military as the 36 Rifle with the specialization k meaning "kurz" ("short"), so a shorter barrel, with the change e meaning "export", so the changed version (without red dot sight) we sell to other countries military like spain. There's also the specializations L ("Lang", "long") and C ("compact") with a extra long or even shorter barrel and the change V ("Verbessert", "improved") that is the same like the A1 (a adjustable stock) but for export weapons (without red dot). (There are also more A ("Änderung", "Change") than A1) And when you are asking yourself "How can the Bundeswehr, the 69 year old German Military, have nearly a hundret different Rifles and Pistols?" it's because of the many rifles of the special forces and the Sportschützen ("sports shooters"). The most German Olympians are Sportsoldaten ("sports soldiers") in the German Military. Athlets can join and get payed all year to do 1 month per year physical education for the soldiers and to train and win medals for Germany in the other 11 months and finance themself this way. And some of them like the shooters and biathlon athletes, etc. need coustom (non military) rifles and pistoles with their own number. Thats why the next free number behinde G36 is G95 and there is a P30. Exceptions of all this, are weapons from other old german Militarys like the Wehrmacht (Germanys Military in ww2) like the MG42, StG22, K98, that are still owned by todays german military Bundeswehr, and are still in the weapon champers but not offically shoot anymore. They keeped their names. The ones still shot have gotten new names like the ww2 P38 that became todays P1
Thanks for a great summary! Do you know if any MG42:s are still in use in Germany as coax machine guns or similar? They are in other countries so that is why I ask. If so, I am curious what their “new” numbers might be :)
@@maximilianreichelt9717 Yeah, My AG-3 was from 1968! We had some unlucky chap in the platoon that ended up with one made in 1965, it had a lot of issues. One of the soldiers even managed to break the stock of his AG-3 in the field during night. Not at the mounting point, but clean in the middle of the stock. Pretty damn crazy. Luckily that was like two weeks before we got the 416s. But he had to borrow an AG-3 the range. We never managed to find that end part of the stock.. and believe me, we looked.
Yep, and so many were sceptical moving from 7.62. I love it , but then again i only had the G3 and 416. And as a bonus we got optics, wich was a rarity on the G3.
@rowaystarco - nice to hear that! Good to know, that norway Stands with us on the same side and keep scandinavia clean against Russian activities!! Greetings from Germany! It is fantastic, that we also cooperate with the new U-Boats of 212CD Class too!! Yes ..the differences of G3 and HK416 really big. G3 was a very good, powerfull Combat rifle in that time but it had his time. By the way ..Germany have hundredthousands G3 in Stock for reserve. Same we will do with the G36... almost all replaced guns will come in Stock too. This is one consequence to rebuild the defence Power and have material If we need.
Trickle Down Gun economy is real, and not limited to guns. Example: If you look at pictures of gear that the Rangers and Delta were using in Mogadishu in 1993, it bears an amazing resemblance to the kit an average infantryman was using circa 2003.
I believe you, but I want info and proof if you are willing. I don’t want you to, like, Dox yourself or something lol, but like, where have you been using it? What role are you in? What experiences have you had with the rifle that made you like it so much? What’s it like to use it all the time, like the “day-to-day” aspect of carrying it, maintaining it, and using it? Do you like it more than a normal M4?
I had the M27(I believe it’s the same gun) in the Marine corps for 3 years. That was the best rifle Ive ever shot. And if you attached bipods it turned into a baby SAW. That thing was a blast.
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@@BearClawAK47 That is wrong. HK sued and was able to prove in court that the rifle performed to specifications. Specifications did NOT included "rapidly fire several magazines in desert condition and still be precise", since as was mentioned before, the G36 is not an LMG. It's one of the best weapons you could wish for when used as intented, which is "snipe at Russians in single fire on several hundred yards with single fire". We were trained that you're only to use the F setting in close combat when precision doesn't matter anyway.
Good job on the video. I went to buy a MR556 back around 2014 because I just had to have a 416. The guy at the gun store said I will definitely sell you one but, you can get two of the exact same gun right here for the same price. It was the sig 516. I had never heard of it at that time, but the guy assured me the same engineer had designed both and had actually fixed a couple things on the 516 they had found after the 416 had been in the field for a while. So what did I do. What do you think, I bought two 516's, you can ÑEVER walk out of a gun store with money you walked in with. Everyone knows that!🤑
Saying that the HK has a 1MOA accuracy while the M-16 and the M4 have a 4MOA accuracy is a bit misleading. Most AR type rifles will relatively easily achieve 2 MOA. The minimum excepted accuracy for the army and the marines is 4 MOA as the rifling in the barrel degrades. which No Doubt will be the same standard for the HK 416.
its because of the non free float barrel and the use of m855. The precision of the platform has been tested numerous times, and the marine corps used new rilfes in the M27 trials to have a fair comparison between the two platforms. The "official" story according to the USMC is that the M4 has a 4-6 MOA, an average at 4 at the LOW end, with M855. TFB actually leaked the still classified (lol) data by WTBN if youre ever interested in checking it out.
The only thing with the m16/m4 is that it doesn't have a free floating barrel, otherwise they'd perform very similarly. Hks piston system and barrel qualities also add to its consistency.
@@mattconley541 (Norwegian) Regulations on conscription and home guard service § 87. It requires the soldier to store weapons, ammunition and other personal equipment
As a BF3 veteran, the M27 IAR was far and away my most reliable gun. The bipod made it a beast at long range with semi auto and you can lay down full auto for suppression
I was in the marine corps when they made the swap. It was kinda wild. We went from running around with unsuppressed M4s to the M27 firing full auto with suppressors. Not to mention the new gen high cut Kevlar and gen 4 flaks. It was wild. It definitely increased the confidence of our platoon. We finally felt like operators lol. I was in 3/6 for anyone asking.
I really loved the H&K G3 back in the day. It was heavier than the M16 and the 7.62 NATO mags were on the heavy side. However, it you gave you the feeling that the weapon was serious!
I saw the same episode and thought to myself, can't wait till that comes out to the Civilian market. I bought one back in 2012 off the Gun Broker website while I was contracting in Afghanistan. Still have it today, it's the Queen of my Gun safe.
My first deployment to Afghanistan we were under a Joint Task Force. I got to use my Norwegian counterparts rifle at the range and have loved the HK-416 ever since. Accurate, solid, and much gooder than the M-16/M-4. Good job on the Marine Corps for securing a better weapon system.
@@Nick-sx6jm Less accuracy is mostly a myth, you can still free float piston guns and get accuracy on par with 99% of DI guns, with more reliability far more heat resistance, and more recoil mitigation. Piston guns also handle gas pressure changes better including suppressors. You can spin a globe and have your finger land on a random country and 90% chance that nation uses a piston rifle. There is a reason almost every nation on earth uses either long or short stroke gas pistons to this day, From Nato to Russia and China..
@-Zevin- Absolutely not a myth. It can be mitigated, but having a large amount of reciprocating mass connected to the barrel impacts accuracy. All things equal a DI gun will be a bit more accurate. Also, the reliability claims are not really true as the test he cites was rigged in favor of the 416, XM8, and scar. Modern DI guns are extremely reliable, and piston guns only offer niche advantages like shooting half a second after submerging.
a buddy was humint and attached to a delta team and he said they used 416's part of his job was dealing with weapons systems so he got to shoot them all the time this was ages ago. maybe 2005-2010 so it's been used for a while i have a civilian model and i recently got the.22 version for $500 and it cycles the cheapest ammo with minimal failure. even the.22 is stellar
Huh. So, back in the day when I built my piston AR and was roundly mocked by all the experts on the gun boards, it was them who got it wrong. This gives me a happy.
There are a large number of countries adopting DI ARs as well. The UK is giving its Royal Marines KAC Rifles for example. And with the number of M4s the US has given away in military aid and sales, I doubt the 416 will outright supplant the DI at variants.
Because the DI AR-15s are better, and the 416 is a solution looking for a problem. The amount of HK wank in these comments is comical. One dude is claiming HK makes the best barrels in the world, haha!
@@Anni3sgotagun I know New Zealand uses an LMT as does Estonia, but Australia ? As far as I know Australia uses a domestically produced variant of the Aug.
DI rifles are being supplied to higher tier units that can be expected to provide the necessary cleaning and care to ensure they work to the highest level. Piston guns are best for the 18 year old private with a room temp IQ that you're going to throw en masse at the enemy and who's rifle needs to work no matter what.
I can confirm that HK’s Barrels on pretty much all of their guns are insane. I have no idea how they do it so well. I’ve seen USP’s and USP compacts in 9mm go 100,000 rounds without a significant loss of accuracy. The HK416 barrels seem to be able to last about 30k on average before they start having significant accuracy issues (but we’re still talking like within 4-6moa) They just make such good guns man. Even the VP9 is really good, and that’s the gun they make right now with the most problems, and it’s still extremely good. The only thing that goes wrong with it is that, sometimes rarely, that weird shaped coil thing will break. Again, this is very rare. I daily carry a USP Compact in 9mm with a 17+1 VP9 magazine and an X-grip to fill in the space of the longer mag and it’s amazing
Might have your slide checked. In my Bundeswehr time, we swapped the P8 for P8A1 because they tended to explode. Service life was meant to be 10000rds, which had been severely exceeded with some of the P8s we had.
As a norwegian army reservist, I was issued the norwegian hk416 in 2010. I used it for 3,5 years until i retired. It was precise but not fun to shoot. I still miss my AG-3 7.62. A day at the shooting range with the AG-3, i got bruises on my shoulder. Good days 😅❤
This is a well informed, well scripted video. Had an LWCRI M6 IC with fluted 16 inch barrel for several years. Haven’t really run it a lot, but from what I have, can’t say I really noticed any weight or recoil impulse disadvantages over M4s. For me, it’s been good for 1.5 inch groups at 100 yds with lower cost 75 grain FMJ. Cleaning for me is a breeze compared to a direct impingement system. Regardless of claims, I run it with a lite lube coating.
You should make a video on the M4 URGI. From what I can tell US SOF has for the most part moved on from the 416’s to the M4 URGI’s due to them weighing less and being just as reliable.
@@mattmurphy7030free floated geissele mk16 handguard Daniel defense 14.5/11.5 barrels and uses a geissele ssae trigger along with far superior accessories such a Surefire RC2 supressors and better optic packages and lasers
@@mattmurphy7030 Main difference: it goes from a carbine-length gas system to a mid-length system. This pushes the gas block farther out, with a longer gas tube, allowing the gas to chill tf out a little bit more before it goes back down the gas tube and back into the gun, resulting in less parts wear, gentler recoil and according NSWC Crane (SEAL gun testing people) increased reliability. They also swapped the 7" or so quad rail out for a 13.5" MLOK handguard that's more comfy and lighter - and especially lighter than the RIS II rail found on the M4A1 SOPMOD Block II. Aside from that, the URGI has a few other small improvements here and there, but those are the main ones.
No US SOF that used the 416 regularly is using the URGI. The URGI replaced Block 2 Sopmod M4s. The only thing that has replaced the 416 is the Noveske that Dev uses
I bought a piston action m4 15 years ago made in Fayette Missouri. 825$ back then. Thousands of rounds later it is still perfect. Never a misfire. Never noticed the recoil difference.
@@maximilianreichelt9717 I would bet that he's referring to 9:17 in the video? That's just for special forces, though. If there are ever plans to give it to the grunts then there would probably still be enough time to adopt the 300 Blackout as NATO standard before then.
@@shaider1982 Right now it's being fielded with the 101st. If it works out with them they'll make whatever changes are suggested than roll it out wider
From a french perspective, switching from the Famas to the HK416 has been a logistical improvement for international operations, notably because of magazine and ammunition compatibility. Famas had to use steel case in order to function reliably, had proprietary magazine, and lot of spare parts availability started to become critical since no more factories produced them.
Well, I mean, the G36 is just an AR18 as well. All HK did here was stick a G36 in an M4 rather than a weird fish shaped shell like the XM8. And mostly just to screw with FN and the SCAR. Which is also an AR18. It's all AR18s and always has been.
I will always look down on all AR-18 derivatives. We could’ve had Armalite be a staple of the gun industry, providing fairly compact and cheaply made rifles in an intermediate cartridge to NATO in the 60’s. But we didn’t. But now we get all these knockoffs that everyone wants. Sincerely, an original AR-180 owner.
They could have just went with the AR-18, mod it a bit and save a ton of money. Just goes to show that those in charge of acquiring these weapons are not the best and the brightest, and probably "compensated" behind closed doors.
German infantry weapons seem always to have been, taken together, the best made and best thought-out as a combined arms -ensemble (since eg the Silesian sharpshooters and 2-ib infantry guns) through to WWII (3 or 6 MG34 per platoon, SMGs and later a scoped rifle for NCOs) .. MG3s and HK-416s are about as good as you can get if you want combined MG plus AR/SMG performance for defence/close range attack ..
MG3 is an outdated gun. Very, very good for its time but today it's just heavy, clunky, incompatible with modern attachments and awkward to use in comparison. I was in the German Army and had to carry this thing and was glad when we switched to MG4. It's just the better MG for infantry.
The SIG worked with developer of HK416 and in early 2000's came SIG516 PATROL piston operated and multiple gas settings,and was improvement over HK416. Not sure why they stopped 516 and went back to 416 again? 516 Patrol is an excellent battle rifle, and 716 version is issued to Pakistani military in 7.62 caliber.
I remember being one of the first Norwegians in mandatory military service to get my hand on this spec-op feeling rifle. Quite a departure from the workhorse G3 handcannon. Part of the decision to move to a more handleable gun and lighter ammo might also come from the introduction of universal military service for women.
@@PentaRaus ..as they are in most countries. .. Which doesn't mean they can't make fine soldiers. The Ukrainians for example have a bunch of deadly female snipers. ..as the USSR had in WW2. Of course, is hard/unrealistic to see women as grunts or combat engineers, but there are areas where strength simply isn't as important.
@@damianm-nordhorn116that’s one thing that’s so interesting about great Snipers, it seems like it happens to be one of those “gifted talents” that some people just seem to be blessed with; as in, it’s one of those things that some minds are born with regardless of gender or who their parents are or who they even are at all - a latent ability that can become powerful with even minimal formal training. I believe that some people are just born to be a musician, or even born to be a specific kind of musician, and I also believe that some people are just born to be snipers, and they should have a chance to prove themselves regardless of who they are. We all know at least one person, whether irl or just knowing about them, who just seems like they were born to shoot because they’ve always been a natural talent, they learn years worth of skills in months or weeks, and they are perfectly focused and happy and lost in the sport when they’re shooting
@@PentaRausYes, with some exceptions for select units. The top physical grade you can get is also equal for both women and men. So at the highest levels, no, else yes
The goal in 2008 when the 416 was phased in was 50% of the NCOs and officers being women, and 1% of the soldiers being women, so I kind of doubt it. They had enough MP-5s to hand out to the short girls anyway. There's a reason it was nicknamed jente-5.
The debate about the G36 was stupid and not based on facts. 1. West Germany wanted to replace the G3 with the G11. The G11 had issues, but was too much ahead of it's time. 1990 with the end of the cold war Germany had to replace the soviet Rifles in East Germany. So they wanted a cheaper alternative to the G11. The G36 was chosen. Since that, the government ordered nearly 30 years the same G36 in the first version, while HK improved it to A2 and developed the successor XM8. 2. The G36 was never developed for desert use, where the problems occurred. It was designed to defend Germany. 3. It was used for suppression fire in full auto mode and should then hit perfectly in semi auto. It is an assault rifle, not a machine gun. It was never developed for that. Investigations came to the conclusion that there isn't a better choice. Everyone who understands physics knows hot metal expand. More metal needs more heat to expand. And like before HK has the right product for that. The LMG36. It has an thicker barrel for extensive auto fire. But it was never ordered by the government. The problem is not the G36. It is the government to not order the right product for the right job. Moving to the HK416 was only done, that these politicians can make HK guilty and don't lose their own head.
Only the make HK guilty part didn´t work, at least in circles more educated on the topic. HK didn´t eat that crap and won in court. only the PR damage was already done by politicians who didn´t even know which end of a G36 to point away from you.
@@alexanderkupke920 Well, in between the German military gave the contract to Haenel, who had offered a blatant copy of the HK416 for a lower price. Then H&K sued Haenel for copyright infringement and won, and the German army was forced to revoke the contract and give it to H&K. In my opinion there are factions in German politics who hate H&K and what it stands for, and they are willing to resort to any dirty trick in order to damage H&K.
@@highks496 I got less of the impression that they actively wanted to Damage H&K. I, once again, was under the impression that they wanted to much of a single item, at the lowest possible price. What I have seen, has been more wories about Haenel actually belnonging to some investment firm from the UAE, if I am not mistaken.
The main issue I've had with the G36E is that it is hopelessly outdated. The integrated sight is terrible, the giant carry handle is the opposite of ergononic, the weapon is way too long and installing anything on the carry handle is a pain. That said, the newer state of the art G36KV is genius and straight up incredible.
@@juanlulourido548 E stands for Export. V is for Verkauf (sell). E or V is the cheaper version and both are the same. It has a 1.5x Scope. The non E/V for military use has a Red Dot and a 4x Scope. So yes E and V sucks. There is a RAS Version with Picatinny Rail, without Handle or optics, like the HK416. K is for Kurz (short). C is for Compact. Without is the full length. K and Standard is available as military, E/V and RAS. C is only RAS. And then you have versions from A0 to A4. For example there is a version of the G36KV without Picatinny Rail, one Version with a short Rail on the Top and the newest Version is the same as the RAS Version. All are the same system, so you can modify a G36E to a G36K, if you have the spare parts. So the G36KV is only the short version of the G36E, but not newer. The hole G36 system is over 35 years old.
$700.00 Colt M-4 ? Where At ? I guess I got hosed at $1250 . Crispy new w / all the neato stuff . Several extra mags + lovely manual & a Colt good luck target . Instant Mr. Badass ? Shet . 😅 This rifle has been flawless - And was sighted quite nicely also …. Good stuff .
The SigSauer Rattler surely has way less range and is a lot more expensive to shoot than the HK416. That's only going to be the weapon of choice for very specific operators.
I heard their 416s are made with noisy (weapons clicks are loud) metals of a lesser quality, to make it affordable. Also, the noises made by the weapons’ action would not be problem since regular units are not supposed to do any kind of stealth stuff.
@@weall1208Yes his influence was that prolific. It uses the AR-15 shape with the AR-18 operating mechanism. Both of which Stoner designed. The problem though with the 416 is that it uses almost exclusively proprietary parts.
@@ls200076 Not when it comes to logistics it doesn't. For special forces guys like Delta and the SEALs, the 416 makes sense, because they get all the specially made gear meant for them. You can make the argument like Cappy here that the 416 makes sense for the Marines as well since they focus on Maritime Ops but when the Marines basically say lol no to the bigger badder Marksman version (the HK417) for an upgraded M110 (which is basically a fancy AR-10) that uses the same operating system as the AR-15. Makes ya raise an eyebrow.
It should be mentioned that the HK416 has a free floating barrel, which is what makes it more accurate than the M4. It also can be fired in full auto, in contrast to the M4's burst fire.
I believe that's correct, but I know for a fact that before the M27 started coming in, US Marines did not have any rifles that fired in full auto; they were all burst fire weapons.
Honestly, I didn't track the sub models thoroughly, but they did use a variant of the M16 while I was in, of which was only in burst fire and semi auto. They eventually changed over to the M4, which had the same firing modes.
@@inebriatedengineering6288 yes, M16A2. Before that which came into service in the early 80s both Army and Marines used M16A1 which had full instead of burst.
They brought the new age short stroke piston game to town. Now everyone and their dog has them. LMT, LWRC,POF, SIG etc. I like my HK MR short stroke and my soft shooting long stroke PWS 114 Mod2. It's not "JUST" a short stroke piston when you led the way.
@@Kaltwasser45 Except they're just copying Eugene Stoner's homework from the AR18. They didn't lead any way. Heck, even the G36 and it's derivatives were just copying the AR18 to the point where even the bolt carriers and recoil spring assemblies are almost identical with just some tweaks to the dimensions for packaging reasons.
@@shred1894 Yeah, I'd say Colt copied Stoner with the 703 long stroke piston and then HK developed the short stoke piston on that. The HK bolt carrier is weighted at the tail to mitigate carrier tilt. The buffer tube has OTB holes, then later on the A5 adjustable piston. On the G36, I have no idea what you mean about them being similar recoil systems. Everything is different on the G36, it still functions as a short stroke piston. Ergos are different, the whole gun is different. The bolt assembly is way different than an AR.
In Germany a lot of soldiers were dissapointed with the switch though. The G36 was actually very liked and although most did agree that switching the main rifle after about 30 years is a good thing, the "same but better" version was also avaible with the HK433 family. With a folding stock, no fordurb assist (sorry), a bitch handle to slap, xtra style points etc. The shorter variant of 437 with folding stock is basically MP5 size and super quiet in .300 Blackout. Some police units also switched to those. Could have used that for drivers/cooks/pilots/whatever and get rid of the MP7 they use for that too. Could save quite some money with basically one system in the entire army. The best AR15 is still just an AR15 (sorry again) and even if that new fury horse calibre won't run anywhere and needed a replacement...don't think Mr Stoner would use an AR15 in the 21. century.
That is an interesting assertion and I am inclined to agree with you. However, one of the things I think is kind of loose in discussions about MOA is how MOA is being defined in the mind of person talking about it. When people say something like, “this rifle is capable of 2.5” MOA,” there is a lot of information missing in the statement. Manufacturers publish “MOA” in advertising copy all the time and, of course, they are going to determine that figure under ideal conditions. Even when you are talking about what most shooters can achieve with a particular rifle, there is still a lot of information missing. The rifle probably isn’t clamped in a vise, shooting off a bench but is the rifle resting on sandbags, on a bipod, from a foxhole, or is the shooter prone unsupported? What ammunition is being used, and what other factors apply such as wind, temp, etc. My impression is that you are right - under standard military qualification range conditions (up to light rain and light to moderate wind), shooting from a fighting position or prone, resting on sandbags, firing government issued ball ammo, and a rifle (M16 descendant) they were assigned out of their unit’s arms room, most people can get their group down to about 5 inches at 100 yards. Whatever the rifle might be capable of most shooters’ best group of the day might be around 3 inches.
@@Snarknado5 And you can also achieve this accuracy with an M4 or M16, there are far too many variables in production and ammunition to get a real definitive MOA capability. The problem and why I made my comment, is that the test parameters are guaranteed to be different between HK's testing, Colt's testing and the military testing at different times. Even variations in load consistency, temperature, elevation, humidity etc can all significantly effect accuracy.
@@Will-ql5db That's also a problem I have with all of these rifle "spec" arguments. The AK and AR and others are all much much closer in real world accuracy, the manufacturers just like adding on another sales pitch feature as to why we are spending more money.
@@065Tim The Bundeswehr ordered almost 200 for its special forces in February of this year. But it is not called HK433 but HK437. It is more or less an HK 433 in 300 Blk
@@065Tim I disagree. It's about using the right tool for the application. A suppressed 300 lives next to my bed. It's a killer subsonic round with a ton of ammo options. The supers are no slouch, nah it's no DMR round, it serves a purpose. It just gets a bad rap now because people seem to trash it because it's not a do it all cartridge. 5.56 or 6.8 still owns that me thinks. Those obviously have limitations too, but broader applications.
When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
I've held one of the original first issued M16's in my hands. One without a forward assist, but was issued the M16A1, with a forward assist, then later used the M16A2's then left the service just before the M4 took over. I'm pretty sure I could use this weapon with no problems. It would feel natural.
Meanwhile the romanian army still uses bootleg aks made in the 1960s while not issuing any body armor except a steel helmet made in the 70s with ww2 technology.
@@conormcmenemie5126 it is on the frontline of ukraine though, so we're going to be invaded not do the invading. I can only hope to not be conscripted. Few fates are worse than this.
@@conormcmenemie5126 yep you are one lucky fuck compared to me. I am 19, male, poor and my 55+yo parents said to me when the ukraine war started that they will tie me by my hands and knees once mobilization is enacted only letting me go once the enrollment officer comes to collect me. They do not even like this country yet they want me to die for it.
@@conormcmenemie5126 yep you are lucky compared to me. I am 19, male, poor and my 55+yo parents said to me when the ukraine war started that they will tie me by my hands and knees once mobilization is enacted only letting me go once the enrollment officer comes to collect me. They do not even like this country yet they want me to die for it.
@@Keithustus your statements are contradictory AF make up your mind. Either you support the 2nd or you don’t Larry Vicker’s case is a product of an overreaching government.
The G36 is a fine gun tho. The "issues" were home made by the German army when they ordered a stupid configuration for their rifles. It was a long ongoing shi* show over here...
I carry an m27 IAR with a trijicon SCO instead of an acog and a Harris bipod with an NT-4 suppressor. It’s heavy as hell. It’s very accurate and great for what we do in marine infantry but the weight does become an issue on long hikes and even longer field ops
I'd be interested in buying one, but their compound rifle and ambidextrous bolt catch is only for sending the bolt home, and they refuse to sell their barrels because of their proprietary barrel install. Which FRANKLY, is ridiculous. Can't keep a spare barrel and you can't use a an ambidextrous bolt catch, it's asinine and a huge misstep by them. I was so ready to buy one too, but I need to be able to replace the parts myself. There is NO reason I should have to ship my AR15 out of state to get a new barrel installed at their ridiculous pricing.
Modern AKs have been upgraded to the point of having pretty much zero parts compatibility with the 74, but that's not to say all modern AKs are good. The AK-12 for example famously had many entirely new issues that were made public only when it was used in Ukraine. Much of this was arguably caused by government corruption in procurement rather than any problem at Kalashnikov, other modern AK rifles seem to not have had the same issues. Of course if you'll look at Kalashnikov's own promotional footage it's blatantly obvious that they're not above rigging "tests" in favor of their own guns, so don't walk away thinking the AK is anything more than just a serviceable platform. It works, but so does every reasonable alternative.
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Could you please make a video of the polish M762 Beryl assault rifle, take your time sir I'll be waiting 🙏
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In the ocean… AWESOME SIR! Now can u compare the HK to the new Sig that the US is swapping to. Would it had been better to just change the caliber to the 6.8? If even possible. Thx honky! Keep up the cool vids for us call of dooty nerds😂
The HK416 really is the result of HK actually understanding why no project to replace the AR-15 worked in the past. The US military, regardless of what they asked for, just wanted a better m4.
The US military wanted a better american made M4, that was the issue.
Arkady Kalashnikov stopped to listen to the guys working at the coal face to hear what tools they needed to get the job done. I'm working on an engineering project and have to continuously impress on the crew that the task needs a tipper truck, but they always try to steer the project towards a farrari. Perhaps the perennial failing is that the design team leader tries to be high performence and elegent, whilst forgetting that this tool gets down and dirty.
I'm not aware the AR-15 was ever in military service.
Every M4 and M16 is an AR-15 pattern rifle @@damianm-nordhorn116
@@michaelmichaelagnew8503and now they’ve got a bunch of guys running URG-I’s and other dope, modernized M4 style rifles with mid length gas systems and mlok handguards and all the stuff that competition shooters and civilian sport shooters were driving the market on
One important points that wasnt mentioned. HK is one of the very few companies that can actually fullfill a conctruct of 100k rifles in a reasonable time
Aren't a bunch of other countries also who switched to it? The SAKO M23 is essentially the same gun too.
HK is the only company that can build a British assault rifle to spec to make it work.
Are these made down the road? Sadly the only company jobs you can see are really tame... which I would imagine means some outsourcing of eng, to better suppliers... i mean a bulging order book should be scaling up... website German, speak so OK but your average US or UK or even Pinoy grunt won;t, and US is only sales... so hoepfully these army units write their own support manuals... Can you imagine NATO inter-operability, and everyone was also required to speak German... WTF...
@@wld-ph
Judging by your english you live in a 3rd world country.
German instruction manuals are machined with precision. You have no idea what you are talking about.
What army even hands out instruction booklets anyway?
"3 lines of bullets means full auto". Genius.
@@wld-ph it is a german company and the research and development is made in germany. what do you expect from them? if you do not speak and write german you are more or less illiterate to them. furthermore most of there production is done in house in germany.
I knew it was a big deal when France, a country that insists on as much domestic stuff for their armed forces as much as possible, selected the HK416 as its service rifle to succeed the FAMAS.
The US Marines originally just wanted the straight up HK416 but faced hurdles to get it. That's how the M27 came about as a tweaked version of the 416. The Corps then said that it just wanted it to replace the M249 SAW. Then later wanted it for every one in an infantry squad with it. It's one of the weirdest roundabout ways to get a rifle in general issue that I seen the Marines have to do. They wanted the 416 bad.
Well and for now HK became French corporation (French has the most of HK stocks)
France chose the 416 because the government armament procurements agency wasn’t sure France small arms’ manufacturers could provide in sufficient numbers in the timeframe and take care of for a 30 years old or so the number of rifles it needed. Contrary to Cold War Era when it was national arsenals and factories providing the weapons, such as the Famas, the ships, the tanks etc., nowadays it is the private sector. Unlike other more important sectors, France ´s small arms manufacturers aren’t as much of an important sector for the defence because they aren’t a national defensive priority.
So France searched for the best deal, and the best deal was offered by HK.
To expand on that, it actually does make sense for France and Germany to have joint ownership over a firm like this that will provide a very good small arm to the wider EU and the world. German engineering strikes again.
The manufacturer that made the FAMAS closed down in 2000 so France has no means to mass produce firearms anymore.
@@brunol-p_g8800 People had so much more money to spend in cold war era. Today we spend tax cash to make billionaires instead having a nice state owned factory making the weapons and lowering taxes with the profits they made with exports.
At least in Germany, it's tradition to change the name. The naming is following very strict rules.
Attachment with number, weapon typ, consecutive number, specialization, change with number.
The G stands for "Gewehr" (Rifle) and all Assault and sniper Rifles have a G name (G3, G36, ... and now G95 (even now G95k was already G38)), so everyone knows its a Assault or Sniper Rifle,
like all "Maschienengewehre" (machine guns) are named MG (MG3, MG4, MG5, ...),
all "Pistolen" (pistoles) are named P (P8, P30, P9, P1, ...),
and all "Maschienenpistolen" (submachine guns) are named MP (MP5, MP7, ...).
When understanding the system it gets easy.
So let's look as example at "AGG36A1", meaning "Anbau Granatpistole Gewehr36 Änderung1" (literly "Attachment Grenatlauncher Rifle 36 change 1"). It's a G36 (original HK 50), so the 36 in the military introduced Rifle, with change 1 (thats a adjustable stock), with a granatlauncher attacht.
Or the "G36KE" meaning "Gewehr36 Kurz Exportversion" (literly "Rifle 36 short export version"). It's also a HK 50 (G36) that still was introduced in the military as the 36 Rifle with the specialization k meaning "kurz" ("short"), so a shorter barrel, with the change e meaning "export", so the changed version (without red dot sight) we sell to other countries military like spain.
There's also the specializations L ("Lang", "long") and C ("compact") with a extra long or even shorter barrel and the change V ("Verbessert", "improved") that is the same like the A1 (a adjustable stock) but for export weapons (without red dot).
(There are also more A ("Änderung", "Change") than A1)
And when you are asking yourself "How can the Bundeswehr, the 69 year old German Military, have nearly a hundret different Rifles and Pistols?" it's because of the many rifles of the special forces and the Sportschützen ("sports shooters"). The most German Olympians are Sportsoldaten ("sports soldiers") in the German Military. Athlets can join and get payed all year to do 1 month per year physical education for the soldiers and to train and win medals for Germany in the other 11 months and finance themself this way. And some of them like the shooters and biathlon athletes, etc. need coustom (non military) rifles and pistoles with their own number. Thats why the next free number behinde G36 is G95 and there is a P30.
Exceptions of all this, are weapons from other old german Militarys like the Wehrmacht (Germanys Military in ww2) like the MG42, StG22, K98, that are still owned by todays german military Bundeswehr, and are still in the weapon champers but not offically shoot anymore. They keeped their names. The ones still shot have gotten new names like the ww2 P38 that became todays P1
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Endlich mal eine vernünftige, nachvollziehbare Erklärung…… 🤔
Thanks for a great summary! Do you know if any MG42:s are still in use in Germany as coax machine guns or similar? They are in other countries so that is why I ask. If so, I am curious what their “new” numbers might be :)
I was one of those Norwegian soldiers using it first. Went from HK G3 to HK 416. What an upgrade, really nice weapon!
50 years of development between.
@@maximilianreichelt9717 Yeah, My AG-3 was from 1968! We had some unlucky chap in the platoon that ended up with one made in 1965, it had a lot of issues. One of the soldiers even managed to break the stock of his AG-3 in the field during night. Not at the mounting point, but clean in the middle of the stock. Pretty damn crazy. Luckily that was like two weeks before we got the 416s. But he had to borrow an AG-3 the range.
We never managed to find that end part of the stock.. and believe me, we looked.
Yep, and so many were sceptical moving from 7.62. I love it , but then again i only had the G3 and 416. And as a bonus we got optics, wich was a rarity on the G3.
@rowaystarco - nice to hear that! Good to know, that norway Stands with us on the same side and keep scandinavia clean against Russian activities!! Greetings from Germany!
It is fantastic, that we also cooperate with the new U-Boats of 212CD Class too!!
Yes ..the differences of G3 and HK416 really big. G3 was a very good, powerfull Combat rifle in that time but it had his time. By the way ..Germany have hundredthousands G3 in Stock for reserve. Same we will do with the G36... almost all replaced guns will come in Stock too. This is one consequence to rebuild the defence Power and have material If we need.
Carried the M27 in Afghanistan. It slaps. You can use it as a shitty dmr, and I never had it jam. Also way easier to clean
When you cleaned the weapon did u spit on it?
@@fireice8 dude ure hilarious 😅
Thanks for sharing and thank you so much for serving, sir
But was it really worth dumping the SAWs? (honestly curious)
@@fireice8well played again😂
Trickle Down Gun economy is real, and not limited to guns. Example: If you look at pictures of gear that the Rangers and Delta were using in Mogadishu in 1993, it bears an amazing resemblance to the kit an average infantryman was using circa 2003.
I’ve always thought of you want to know what regular soldiers will look like 10 years from now and the tactics they’ll use - look at the elite today .
@@Taskandpurpose SEAL googly-eyes NODS!!!!!
Two words. IT FUCKS
As a United States Marine, who has been issued this weapons system, i can say in confidence its the best damn rifle I've ever had.
I believe you, but I want info and proof if you are willing. I don’t want you to, like, Dox yourself or something lol, but like, where have you been using it? What role are you in? What experiences have you had with the rifle that made you like it so much? What’s it like to use it all the time, like the “day-to-day” aspect of carrying it, maintaining it, and using it? Do you like it more than a normal M4?
@@rondobrondo Relax
@@rondobrondoNice try china
It’s shit tho, over gassed, heavy, is a piston gun with a buffer tube 🫤
Does everything worse then a block2 or urgi in a similar package
@@rondobrondoFSB agent on his first day
I had the M27(I believe it’s the same gun) in the Marine corps for 3 years. That was the best rifle Ive ever shot. And if you attached bipods it turned into a baby SAW. That thing was a blast.
The M27 is a modified version of the M416. The basis is still the same
"These guns are more run-through than the chicks at the AVN awards"
- *Task and Purpose* continues to provide the deep intel and quality analysis RUclips viewers demand...
The Marine Corps basically uses this as their primary arm now lol
For infantry, yes 416s. The wing, logistics, and supporting units for the infantry still have M16/4A1 and will for the forseeable future.
Those Germans know a thing or two about building awesome weapons.
And they've had nothing but problems with it XD
@@chaoschaoforever uh? When may I ask?
@@chaoschaoforever Like what?
Important - the only reliable issues of the G36 were that german politics didn`t understand that an assault rifle is no LMG
There were issues with reliability, poor accuracy and a breaking down of the plastics in hot, sunny environments.
@@BearClawAK47 and multiple militaries, like the latvian, did multiple test runs and found out, that it dosent have any issues.
@@BearClawAK47no there weren’t. They were disproven. But it was too late, the public and politic already had a bad opinion of the rifle.
As Well as old / wrong faulty ammo, they basicly webt cheao and took what they had or so ibsread of using what was supposed to be used 😂
@@BearClawAK47 That is wrong. HK sued and was able to prove in court that the rifle performed to specifications. Specifications did NOT included "rapidly fire several magazines in desert condition and still be precise", since as was mentioned before, the G36 is not an LMG. It's one of the best weapons you could wish for when used as intented, which is "snipe at Russians in single fire on several hundred yards with single fire". We were trained that you're only to use the F setting in close combat when precision doesn't matter anyway.
holy shit I never thought about it
the HK416 is the new version of the FAL
it literally is the right arm of the free world
Most people get blown up not shot so not really the "right arm"
@@basiliskwardroid shhhhhhh
I wanted to make same comment
The FAL is op in so many games, idk about irl tho
@@basiliskwardroidExplosives are the big d*** of the free world.
Good job on the video. I went to buy a MR556 back around 2014 because I just had to have a 416. The guy at the gun store said I will definitely sell you one but, you can get two of the exact same gun right here for the same price. It was the sig 516. I had never heard of it at that time, but the guy assured me the same engineer had designed both and had actually fixed a couple things on the 516 they had found after the 416 had been in the field for a while. So what did I do. What do you think, I bought two 516's, you can ÑEVER walk out of a gun store with money you walked in with. Everyone knows that!🤑
I want you to write a book of children's stories.
I purchased a HK416 a few years ago and I operate the rifle every weekend. I have never had a failure with this rifle.
Last time I was this early, the Taliban didn’t have night vision.
Or black hawks, Mraps, m4's, Humvees, SAW's, millions of NATO ammo rounds, m16s, M2 Browning's, american made sniper rifles and on and on and.....
Thanks Trump
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@@psilobom lol
@psilobom trump did it while Biden is In office during it... the logic.
Saying that the HK has a 1MOA accuracy while the M-16 and the M4 have a 4MOA accuracy is a bit misleading. Most AR type rifles will relatively easily achieve 2 MOA. The minimum excepted accuracy for the army and the marines is 4 MOA as the rifling in the barrel degrades. which No Doubt will be the same standard for the HK 416.
Idk about that, HK makes some of the best barrels in the known universe and their machining tolerances inspire NASA
its because of the non free float barrel and the use of m855. The precision of the platform has been tested numerous times, and the marine corps used new rilfes in the M27 trials to have a fair comparison between the two platforms. The "official" story according to the USMC is that the M4 has a 4-6 MOA, an average at 4 at the LOW end, with M855. TFB actually leaked the still classified (lol) data by WTBN if youre ever interested in checking it out.
B-b-but the M4 is American and I want the American carbine to be better!
@@MaseratiChris556 tighter tolerances = more wear.
The only thing with the m16/m4 is that it doesn't have a free floating barrel, otherwise they'd perform very similarly. Hks piston system and barrel qualities also add to its consistency.
Norwegian here. I have one. They are great.
Lucky ass. What branch are you in
Alt for Norge! H7
Even the home guard has them these days. We traded in our trusty old hand cannons for these plastic toys a few years back. It was a welcome upgrade.
@@fnorgenYou get to keep your weapon at home?
@@mattconley541 (Norwegian) Regulations on conscription and home guard service § 87. It requires the soldier to store weapons, ammunition and other personal equipment
Glad to see you actually getting first-person experience as a MIC spokesman, rather than relying on news articles and second-hand sources!
As a BF3 veteran, the M27 IAR was far and away my most reliable gun. The bipod made it a beast at long range with semi auto and you can lay down full auto for suppression
Even BF Bad Company back in 2008 had this gun. Of course they modeled it wrong putting the ejection port on the left side.
Of course they wait 40 years after my ETS to come up with a beautiful rifle like this. I had to settle for an M16A1 back in my day.
Thanks for your service
You ran the M16 through its paces so your grandkids and great grandkids could use the HK416 to defend Democracy, good sir.
we had it way easier than you guys, idk how yall managed with shitty optics and no mod rails
I too, carried the M16A1 Mine was made by H&R
dont worry. They are not switching to it. Its too expensive. 3-5k vs a 800 FN M4
I have to ask what environmental conditions the DoD considers 'gay'.
navy ships
Rear echelon :/
Cali.
Fruit Loops downpour with rainbows
HQ😂
I was in the marine corps when they made the swap. It was kinda wild. We went from running around with unsuppressed M4s to the M27 firing full auto with suppressors. Not to mention the new gen high cut Kevlar and gen 4 flaks. It was wild. It definitely increased the confidence of our platoon. We finally felt like operators lol. I was in 3/6 for anyone asking.
I really loved the H&K G3 back in the day. It was heavier than the M16 and the 7.62 NATO mags were on the heavy side. However, it you gave you the feeling that the weapon was serious!
I agree 100%. I was in Jäger Battalion 2/521 in Northeim in the mid-80s. We had the great G3 with a retractable shoulder rest. Awesome thing!
I learned about the HK 416 watching Future Weapons as a kid.We have great allies! 🇩🇪🤝🇺🇸
I saw the same episode and thought to myself, can't wait till that comes out to the Civilian market. I bought one back in 2012 off the Gun Broker website while I was contracting in Afghanistan. Still have it today, it's the Queen of my Gun safe.
Yes. I knew I wasn't the only one who first saw the HK416 in Future Weapons.
Great content. Nothing exotic or overly technical but so well presented, summarized and explained. That’s an underrated talent!
My first deployment to Afghanistan we were under a Joint Task Force. I got to use my Norwegian counterparts rifle at the range and have loved the HK-416 ever since. Accurate, solid, and much gooder than the M-16/M-4. Good job on the Marine Corps for securing a better weapon system.
When AR guys realize gas pistons are actually better than direct impingement.
"Gooder"
This guy definitely lives off a diet of crayons.
@@-Zevin- Yeah but they are not. It offers niche advantages at the cost of less accuracy, more weight, more recoil, and is more expensive.
@@Nick-sx6jm Less accuracy is mostly a myth, you can still free float piston guns and get accuracy on par with 99% of DI guns, with more reliability far more heat resistance, and more recoil mitigation. Piston guns also handle gas pressure changes better including suppressors.
You can spin a globe and have your finger land on a random country and 90% chance that nation uses a piston rifle. There is a reason almost every nation on earth uses either long or short stroke gas pistons to this day, From Nato to Russia and China..
@-Zevin- Absolutely not a myth. It can be mitigated, but having a large amount of reciprocating mass connected to the barrel impacts accuracy. All things equal a DI gun will be a bit more accurate. Also, the reliability claims are not really true as the test he cites was rigged in favor of the 416, XM8, and scar. Modern DI guns are extremely reliable, and piston guns only offer niche advantages like shooting half a second after submerging.
I love this HK! i mean there was an underwater test and this gun can fire many times without jamming under the water! So awesome!
a buddy was humint and attached to a delta team and he said they used 416's
part of his job was dealing with weapons systems so he got to shoot them all the time
this was ages ago. maybe 2005-2010 so it's been used for a while
i have a civilian model and i recently got the.22 version for $500 and it cycles the cheapest ammo with minimal failure. even the.22 is stellar
The HK416 getting fame,
A certain individual who died on may 2nd,2011: What can I say except youre welcome!!!!
i thought it was delta force who used it against eliminating ISIS leader.. Or did devgru used it too in eliminating OBL?
Shuda got OBL advertising Bud Lite - might have worked better.
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@@SuperMetal4Eva Devgru used it on OBL, idk abt the delta force thing, maybe that too
you believe that bsthey refuse to release a photo of his raid.let alone him being shot like they claim😂 cause he looked eww 😂
It's like you're forcing me to get one at this point
Twist my arm already.
NATO peer pressure
He's like pointing a gun to my head and saying: "UUSE THIS GUUUUUN!!!"
M4 is better
Don't its overated and overpriced
Hello from Norway 🤙🏻
Huh. So, back in the day when I built my piston AR and was roundly mocked by all the experts on the gun boards, it was them who got it wrong. This gives me a happy.
My cousin Galen owns a moon. He told me "Quark, arms are where the money's at". Nobody ever became poor selling weapons.
That's fine, your more of a people person
What rule of acquisition is that one?
Is it true Damon,, that humans work with their females and force them to wear clothing?😮😂😂😊
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That map at around 1:25 is awesome! (I know, the least of comments...but always good to support the graphics people doing good work)
There are a large number of countries adopting DI ARs as well. The UK is giving its Royal Marines KAC Rifles for example. And with the number of M4s the US has given away in military aid and sales, I doubt the 416 will outright supplant the DI at variants.
Australia and a couple other places are uses LMTs aswell
Because the DI AR-15s are better, and the 416 is a solution looking for a problem. The amount of HK wank in these comments is comical. One dude is claiming HK makes the best barrels in the world, haha!
@@Anni3sgotagun I know New Zealand uses an LMT as does Estonia, but Australia ? As far as I know Australia uses a domestically produced variant of the Aug.
DI rifles are being supplied to higher tier units that can be expected to provide the necessary cleaning and care to ensure they work to the highest level. Piston guns are best for the 18 year old private with a room temp IQ that you're going to throw en masse at the enemy and who's rifle needs to work no matter what.
I can confirm that HK’s Barrels on pretty much all of their guns are insane. I have no idea how they do it so well. I’ve seen USP’s and USP compacts in 9mm go 100,000 rounds without a significant loss of accuracy. The HK416 barrels seem to be able to last about 30k on average before they start having significant accuracy issues (but we’re still talking like within 4-6moa)
They just make such good guns man. Even the VP9 is really good, and that’s the gun they make right now with the most problems, and it’s still extremely good. The only thing that goes wrong with it is that, sometimes rarely, that weird shaped coil thing will break. Again, this is very rare.
I daily carry a USP Compact in 9mm with a 17+1 VP9 magazine and an X-grip to fill in the space of the longer mag and it’s amazing
Barrels use a proprietary steel. And Germans love to overengineer things.
Might have your slide checked. In my Bundeswehr time, we swapped the P8 for P8A1 because they tended to explode. Service life was meant to be 10000rds, which had been severely exceeded with some of the P8s we had.
Stock trigger in that USP C 9?
@@simonb6982and also had to do with the "hotter" ammo the BW uses...
They need to update the USP and .45s to fit 14 rounders.
unfortunately I cant paddle release mags because finger too short so rip🤣
As a norwegian army reservist, I was issued the norwegian hk416 in 2010. I used it for 3,5 years until i retired. It was precise but not fun to shoot. I still miss my AG-3 7.62. A day at the shooting range with the AG-3, i got bruises on my shoulder. Good days 😅❤
This is a well informed, well scripted video. Had an LWCRI M6 IC with fluted 16 inch barrel for several years. Haven’t really run it a lot, but from what I have, can’t say I really noticed any weight or recoil impulse disadvantages over M4s. For me, it’s been good for 1.5 inch groups at 100 yds with lower cost 75 grain FMJ. Cleaning for me is a breeze compared to a direct impingement system. Regardless of claims, I run it with a lite lube coating.
You should make a video on the M4 URGI. From what I can tell US SOF has for the most part moved on from the 416’s to the M4 URGI’s due to them weighing less and being just as reliable.
What makes a URGI different from say an FN M4?
@@mattmurphy7030free floated geissele mk16 handguard
Daniel defense 14.5/11.5 barrels and uses a geissele ssae trigger along with far superior accessories such a Surefire RC2 supressors and better optic packages and lasers
@@mattmurphy7030 Main difference: it goes from a carbine-length gas system to a mid-length system. This pushes the gas block farther out, with a longer gas tube, allowing the gas to chill tf out a little bit more before it goes back down the gas tube and back into the gun, resulting in less parts wear, gentler recoil and according NSWC Crane (SEAL gun testing people) increased reliability. They also swapped the 7" or so quad rail out for a 13.5" MLOK handguard that's more comfy and lighter - and especially lighter than the RIS II rail found on the M4A1 SOPMOD Block II. Aside from that, the URGI has a few other small improvements here and there, but those are the main ones.
No US SOF that used the 416 regularly is using the URGI. The URGI replaced Block 2 Sopmod M4s. The only thing that has replaced the 416 is the Noveske that Dev uses
@@JaxPC_ cool, good to know thanks. Those are legit changes that I made to my own M4 clone.
I bought a piston action m4 15 years ago made in Fayette Missouri. 825$ back then. Thousands of rounds later it is still perfect. Never a misfire. Never noticed the recoil difference.
It's funny that as soon as NATO forces are adopting new 5.56 rifles we, the US, adopt a new rifle with a new cartridge.
It would be helpful, if you write from what country you are and what cartridge that is. Not all reading this are from your country.
@@maximilianreichelt9717 I would bet that he's referring to 9:17 in the video?
That's just for special forces, though. If there are ever plans to give it to the grunts then there would probably still be enough time to adopt the 300 Blackout as NATO standard before then.
XM7 would be for US Army infantry only, I think.
@@shaider1982 Right now it's being fielded with the 101st. If it works out with them they'll make whatever changes are suggested than roll it out wider
@@maximilianreichelt9717Türkiye 7.62 . New MPT 76 rifles are also 7.62
One of the best videos you’ve made. Massive props.
From a french perspective, switching from the Famas to the HK416 has been a logistical improvement for international operations, notably because of magazine and ammunition compatibility. Famas had to use steel case in order to function reliably, had proprietary magazine, and lot of spare parts availability started to become critical since no more factories produced them.
Ar-18
You could not live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me.
Well, I mean, the G36 is just an AR18 as well. All HK did here was stick a G36 in an M4 rather than a weird fish shaped shell like the XM8. And mostly just to screw with FN and the SCAR. Which is also an AR18.
It's all AR18s and always has been.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I will always look down on all AR-18 derivatives. We could’ve had Armalite be a staple of the gun industry, providing fairly compact and cheaply made rifles in an intermediate cartridge to NATO in the 60’s. But we didn’t. But now we get all these knockoffs that everyone wants. Sincerely, an original AR-180 owner.
technically no because the buffer tube spring, right?
They could have just went with the AR-18, mod it a bit and save a ton of money. Just goes to show that those in charge of acquiring these weapons are not the best and the brightest, and probably "compensated" behind closed doors.
German infantry weapons seem always to have been, taken together, the best made and best thought-out as a combined arms -ensemble (since eg the Silesian sharpshooters and 2-ib infantry guns) through to WWII (3 or 6 MG34 per platoon, SMGs and later a scoped rifle for NCOs) .. MG3s and HK-416s are about as good as you can get if you want combined MG plus AR/SMG performance for defence/close range attack ..
It's all good and dandy until you see the G36...
MG3 is an outdated gun. Very, very good for its time but today it's just heavy, clunky, incompatible with modern attachments and awkward to use in comparison. I was in the German Army and had to carry this thing and was glad when we switched to MG4. It's just the better MG for infantry.
We now use the MG5, which is even better than the trusty old h-saw. No HK416s yet, still rocking the 1996ish standard G36
@@luzifer960MG3 was a brilliant gun when I trained with it. It purrs.
@@etuanno The G36 is overengineerd, like a sciefi gun :D
I love my weapon controls laid out in an intuitive AR style. I also love HK. Glorious combo.
The SIG worked with developer of HK416 and in early 2000's came SIG516 PATROL piston operated and multiple gas settings,and was improvement over HK416.
Not sure why they stopped 516 and went back to 416 again?
516 Patrol is an excellent battle rifle, and 716 version is issued to Pakistani military in 7.62 caliber.
Thanks!
I remember being one of the first Norwegians in mandatory military service to get my hand on this spec-op feeling rifle.
Quite a departure from the workhorse G3 handcannon.
Part of the decision to move to a more handleable gun and lighter ammo might also come from the introduction of universal military service for women.
Are women in Norway held to lower physical standards like in the U.S.?
@@PentaRaus
..as they are in most countries.
.. Which doesn't mean they can't make fine soldiers.
The Ukrainians for example have a bunch of deadly female snipers. ..as the USSR had in WW2.
Of course, is hard/unrealistic to see women as grunts or combat engineers, but there are areas where strength simply isn't as important.
@@damianm-nordhorn116that’s one thing that’s so interesting about great Snipers, it seems like it happens to be one of those “gifted talents” that some people just seem to be blessed with; as in, it’s one of those things that some minds are born with regardless of gender or who their parents are or who they even are at all - a latent ability that can become powerful with even minimal formal training. I believe that some people are just born to be a musician, or even born to be a specific kind of musician, and I also believe that some people are just born to be snipers, and they should have a chance to prove themselves regardless of who they are.
We all know at least one person, whether irl or just knowing about them, who just seems like they were born to shoot because they’ve always been a natural talent, they learn years worth of skills in months or weeks, and they are perfectly focused and happy and lost in the sport when they’re shooting
@@PentaRausYes, with some exceptions for select units. The top physical grade you can get is also equal for both women and men.
So at the highest levels, no, else yes
The goal in 2008 when the 416 was phased in was 50% of the NCOs and officers being women, and 1% of the soldiers being women, so I kind of doubt it.
They had enough MP-5s to hand out to the short girls anyway. There's a reason it was nicknamed jente-5.
I have a sig 516 patrol modeled after the h&k 416. Love the rifle.
The debate about the G36 was stupid and not based on facts.
1. West Germany wanted to replace the G3 with the G11. The G11 had issues, but was too much ahead of it's time. 1990 with the end of the cold war Germany had to replace the soviet Rifles in East Germany. So they wanted a cheaper alternative to the G11. The G36 was chosen. Since that, the government ordered nearly 30 years the same G36 in the first version, while HK improved it to A2 and developed the successor XM8.
2. The G36 was never developed for desert use, where the problems occurred. It was designed to defend Germany.
3. It was used for suppression fire in full auto mode and should then hit perfectly in semi auto. It is an assault rifle, not a machine gun. It was never developed for that. Investigations came to the conclusion that there isn't a better choice. Everyone who understands physics knows hot metal expand. More metal needs more heat to expand. And like before HK has the right product for that. The LMG36. It has an thicker barrel for extensive auto fire. But it was never ordered by the government.
The problem is not the G36. It is the government to not order the right product for the right job. Moving to the HK416 was only done, that these politicians can make HK guilty and don't lose their own head.
Only the make HK guilty part didn´t work, at least in circles more educated on the topic. HK didn´t eat that crap and won in court. only the PR damage was already done by politicians who didn´t even know which end of a G36 to point away from you.
@@alexanderkupke920 Well, in between the German military gave the contract to Haenel, who had offered a blatant copy of the HK416 for a lower price. Then H&K sued Haenel for copyright infringement and won, and the German army was forced to revoke the contract and give it to H&K.
In my opinion there are factions in German politics who hate H&K and what it stands for, and they are willing to resort to any dirty trick in order to damage H&K.
@@highks496 I got less of the impression that they actively wanted to Damage H&K. I, once again, was under the impression that they wanted to much of a single item, at the lowest possible price. What I have seen, has been more wories about Haenel actually belnonging to some investment firm from the UAE, if I am not mistaken.
The main issue I've had with the G36E is that it is hopelessly outdated.
The integrated sight is terrible, the giant carry handle is the opposite of ergononic, the weapon is way too long and installing anything on the carry handle is a pain.
That said, the newer state of the art G36KV is genius and straight up incredible.
@@juanlulourido548 E stands for Export. V is for Verkauf (sell). E or V is the cheaper version and both are the same. It has a 1.5x Scope. The non E/V for military use has a Red Dot and a 4x Scope. So yes E and V sucks. There is a RAS Version with Picatinny Rail, without Handle or optics, like the HK416.
K is for Kurz (short). C is for Compact. Without is the full length. K and Standard is available as military, E/V and RAS. C is only RAS.
And then you have versions from A0 to A4. For example there is a version of the G36KV without Picatinny Rail, one Version with a short Rail on the Top and the newest Version is the same as the RAS Version.
All are the same system, so you can modify a G36E to a G36K, if you have the spare parts. So the G36KV is only the short version of the G36E, but not newer. The hole G36 system is over 35 years old.
$700.00 Colt M-4 ? Where At ? I guess I got hosed at $1250 . Crispy new w / all the neato stuff .
Several extra mags + lovely manual & a Colt good luck target . Instant Mr. Badass ? Shet . 😅
This rifle has been flawless - And was sighted quite nicely also …. Good stuff .
The SigSauer Rattler surely has way less range and is a lot more expensive to shoot than the HK416. That's only going to be the weapon of choice for very specific operators.
Sig fan boy found
The Rattler is a nice rifle, most units buying MCXs are going 10" or 14" versions.
"Shikikan, I am all you need" - 416
Fr fr, can never say no to 416 chan
I literally just made this my primary weapon in ghost recon wildlands this week after years of not using it and NOW get a video about it.
It seems like a really nice rifle I can see why a lot of countries would want one
I actually watch these videos of yours as much for the humor as the info!
AK-47, AR-15 (and FAL, I guess): Welcome to the club
I trust HK over SIG any day of the week.
Apparently French army buy the AK416F around 1000€, maybe 1300€.
Yes, at the time they revealed the cost of the contract, I had calculated between €1,000 and €1100/HK416.
I heard their 416s are made with noisy (weapons clicks are loud) metals of a lesser quality, to make it affordable. Also, the noises made by the weapons’ action would not be problem since regular units are not supposed to do any kind of stealth stuff.
NAFO fella at 9:44, such sweet thing. Thank you.
I'm most impressed with the .416 round's ability to punch through Class IV body armor.
Hk416 is just a sexy ass rifle
Ass rifle?
oo la hooah
I can hear the GFL fans muffled cheering in the distance
@@Spearralol, same here
I’m one of those gfl fans
@@SpearraI'm surprised our existence was acknowledged
"Gets affordable" and "Norway" in the same sentance is not possible.
I see that very first Sturmgewehr but remastered, am i the only one?
Its almost as if it defined an entire weaponsystem
This just looks like a generic AR platform weapon to me but maybe I just don't have enough gun autism or Stoner's influence was just that prolific.
@@weall1208Yes his influence was that prolific. It uses the AR-15 shape with the AR-18 operating mechanism. Both of which Stoner designed.
The problem though with the 416 is that it uses almost exclusively proprietary parts.
@@chaoschaoforeverUsing only proprietary parts is pretty based tho.
@@ls200076 Not when it comes to logistics it doesn't. For special forces guys like Delta and the SEALs, the 416 makes sense, because they get all the specially made gear meant for them. You can make the argument like Cappy here that the 416 makes sense for the Marines as well since they focus on Maritime Ops but when the Marines basically say lol no to the bigger badder Marksman version (the HK417) for an upgraded M110 (which is basically a fancy AR-10) that uses the same operating system as the AR-15. Makes ya raise an eyebrow.
I've got an hk416 and they are an amazing weapons system glad you covered it on here
It's hard not to love, one of the prettiest guns to ever exist
It should be mentioned that the HK416 has a free floating barrel, which is what makes it more accurate than the M4. It also can be fired in full auto, in contrast to the M4's burst fire.
M4A1 has full auto
I believe that's correct, but I know for a fact that before the M27 started coming in, US Marines did not have any rifles that fired in full auto; they were all burst fire weapons.
@@inebriatedengineering6288, weird, didn’t Marines use the M16A1?
Honestly, I didn't track the sub models thoroughly, but they did use a variant of the M16 while I was in, of which was only in burst fire and semi auto. They eventually changed over to the M4, which had the same firing modes.
@@inebriatedengineering6288 yes, M16A2. Before that which came into service in the early 80s both Army and Marines used M16A1 which had full instead of burst.
Never underestimate a military or unit wanting to buy a more expensive version of what they already have...
I guess you also pick your car by looking which one has the nicest color...
Happens you are correct.
However in this instance the push is from bottom up.
i don't understand why Colt couldn't just evolve a little bit, and just offer the M4 with an alternative piston-driven version.
@@Will-ql5db They already have the 6940. The 416 is more than just a piston gun, it has other OTB changes as well.
Ar15 for those who think di is superior
416 for those who think di is unreliable
Mcx for those who hate buffer tubes
Ak47 for those who are not allowed to have an opinion 😂
Aug for those who hate the NFA
P90 for those who want a true ambidextrous weapons platform.
Mcx for those who hate money.
@@ryanbauer3680 bro what a p90 isn't comparable to all those other rifles it shoots peas lol
Finally some coherent explanation.
The Sig Virtus is a gas piston 5.56 rifle that does the exact same thing. It’s ultra reliable too and the barrels last for 50K rounds fired.
I mean it's just a short-stroke gas-piston AR15, that happens to be made by H&K and costs H&K money.
Dude. Thanks for saying it.
Lol...Devil's in the details
They brought the new age short stroke piston game to town. Now everyone and their dog has them. LMT, LWRC,POF, SIG etc. I like my HK MR short stroke and my soft shooting long stroke PWS 114 Mod2.
It's not "JUST" a short stroke piston when you led the way.
@@Kaltwasser45 Except they're just copying Eugene Stoner's homework from the AR18. They didn't lead any way. Heck, even the G36 and it's derivatives were just copying the AR18 to the point where even the bolt carriers and recoil spring assemblies are almost identical with just some tweaks to the dimensions for packaging reasons.
@@shred1894 Yeah, I'd say Colt copied Stoner with the 703 long stroke piston and then HK developed the short stoke piston on that.
The HK bolt carrier is weighted at the tail to mitigate carrier tilt. The buffer tube has OTB holes, then later on the A5 adjustable piston.
On the G36, I have no idea what you mean about them being similar recoil systems. Everything is different on the G36, it still functions as a short stroke piston. Ergos are different, the whole gun is different. The bolt assembly is way different than an AR.
You too can get a semi-auto version for only $4000.
It used to be $2500. wth?
In Germany a lot of soldiers were dissapointed with the switch though. The G36 was actually very liked and although most did agree that switching the main rifle after about 30 years is a good thing, the "same but better" version was also avaible with the HK433 family. With a folding stock, no fordurb assist (sorry), a bitch handle to slap, xtra style points etc. The shorter variant of 437 with folding stock is basically MP5 size and super quiet in .300 Blackout. Some police units also switched to those. Could have used that for drivers/cooks/pilots/whatever and get rid of the MP7 they use for that too. Could save quite some money with basically one system in the entire army. The best AR15 is still just an AR15 (sorry again) and even if that new fury horse calibre won't run anywhere and needed a replacement...don't think Mr Stoner would use an AR15 in the 21. century.
love the dig at the digicam
Love the video Cappy!!!
It's one of the best ARs ever made and it's probably THE finest rifle ever issued en masse to fighting men.
I think its a bit far from the ArmaLite to be called one.
The 416 isnt really 1 MOA, they're more like 2-2.5, and the M4 and M16 standard was 3 MOA, with some exceptions being tighter or worse.
That is an interesting assertion and I am inclined to agree with you. However, one of the things I think is kind of loose in discussions about MOA is how MOA is being defined in the mind of person talking about it.
When people say something like, “this rifle is capable of 2.5” MOA,” there is a lot of information missing in the statement. Manufacturers publish “MOA” in advertising copy all the time and, of course, they are going to determine that figure under ideal conditions. Even when you are talking about what most shooters can achieve with a particular rifle, there is still a lot of information missing. The rifle probably isn’t clamped in a vise, shooting off a bench but is the rifle resting on sandbags, on a bipod, from a foxhole, or is the shooter prone unsupported? What ammunition is being used, and what other factors apply such as wind, temp, etc.
My impression is that you are right - under standard military qualification range conditions (up to light rain and light to moderate wind), shooting from a fighting position or prone, resting on sandbags, firing government issued ball ammo, and a rifle (M16 descendant) they were assigned out of their unit’s arms room, most people can get their group down to about 5 inches at 100 yards. Whatever the rifle might be capable of most shooters’ best group of the day might be around 3 inches.
@@ColdHawk I think it's disingenuous for anyone to assert a MOA figure without also mentioning the ammunition used to achieve that MOA.
i'm gonna need some links to support this assertion. my civilian 416 (MR223) is 0.7-0.9 MOA with 55gr Geco DTX, i.e. bulk training ammo
@@Snarknado5 And you can also achieve this accuracy with an M4 or M16, there are far too many variables in production and ammunition to get a real definitive MOA capability. The problem and why I made my comment, is that the test parameters are guaranteed to be different between HK's testing, Colt's testing and the military testing at different times. Even variations in load consistency, temperature, elevation, humidity etc can all significantly effect accuracy.
@@Will-ql5db That's also a problem I have with all of these rifle "spec" arguments. The AK and AR and others are all much much closer in real world accuracy, the manufacturers just like adding on another sales pitch feature as to why we are spending more money.
Did you really just referance BudLight and "positive buzz" 😂
416 is my absolute favorite platform of all time. Closest I ever got to it though was being an m27 gunner in infantry.
German special forces seem to switch to 300 blk too, but with HK433
300 BLK isn't what it was advertised to be.
@@065Tim The Bundeswehr ordered almost 200 for its special forces in February of this year.
But it is not called HK433 but HK437. It is more or less an HK 433 in 300 Blk
@@eagelseye8089
Yeah definitely the 437 slaps.
Too bad we'll never see one in the US 😢
@@065Tim I disagree. It's about using the right tool for the application. A suppressed 300 lives next to my bed. It's a killer subsonic round with a ton of ammo options. The supers are no slouch, nah it's no DMR round, it serves a purpose.
It just gets a bad rap now because people seem to trash it because it's not a do it all cartridge. 5.56 or 6.8 still owns that me thinks. Those obviously have limitations too, but broader applications.
Tested it in a variety of conditions, rainy, muddy, dusty, gay, straight. Love it!
yeah, but an HK rifle is way to expensive to be burying it in sand & torture tests.
When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
I've held one of the original first issued M16's in my hands. One without a forward assist, but was issued the M16A1, with a forward assist, then later used the M16A2's then left the service just before the M4 took over. I'm pretty sure I could use this weapon with no problems. It would feel natural.
Love the new version of the video
Meanwhile the romanian army still uses bootleg aks made in the 1960s while not issuing any body armor except a steel helmet made in the 70s with ww2 technology.
Romania is not on the top ten countries to invade in the next 50 years, and it has been a while since anybody said 'oh no, the Romanians are coming'.
@@conormcmenemie5126 it is on the frontline of ukraine though, so we're going to be invaded not do the invading.
I can only hope to not be conscripted. Few fates are worse than this.
@@Anton43218 Sorry Anton - I should have been more thoughtful. It is easy being here in Edinburgh in the extreme north west of europe on an island.
@@conormcmenemie5126 yep you are one lucky fuck compared to me.
I am 19, male, poor and my 55+yo parents said to me when the ukraine war started that they will tie me by my hands and knees once mobilization is enacted only letting me go once the enrollment officer comes to collect me. They do not even like this country yet they want me to die for it.
@@conormcmenemie5126 yep you are lucky compared to me.
I am 19, male, poor and my 55+yo parents said to me when the ukraine war started that they will tie me by my hands and knees once mobilization is enacted only letting me go once the enrollment officer comes to collect me. They do not even like this country yet they want me to die for it.
Pardon Larry Vickers!
FREE LARRY!!!
or maybe don't become a felon?
@@Keithustus You 100% would’ve been a Torie during early America.
@@MaseratiChris556 nope, 100% American all the way! Monarchies are ass.
@@Keithustus your statements are contradictory AF make up your mind. Either you support the 2nd or you don’t Larry Vicker’s case is a product of an overreaching government.
The G36 is a fine gun tho. The "issues" were home made by the German army when they ordered a stupid configuration for their rifles. It was a long ongoing shi* show over here...
I carry an m27 IAR with a trijicon SCO instead of an acog and a Harris bipod with an NT-4 suppressor. It’s heavy as hell. It’s very accurate and great for what we do in marine infantry but the weight does become an issue on long hikes and even longer field ops
during the 90's this was called the lazeroni conversion and cost was 1800 a gun hk just adopted it
I see your HK 416 and raise it to PWS's long stroke piston AR-15
I'd be interested in buying one, but their compound rifle and ambidextrous bolt catch is only for sending the bolt home, and they refuse to sell their barrels because of their proprietary barrel install. Which FRANKLY, is ridiculous. Can't keep a spare barrel and you can't use a an ambidextrous bolt catch, it's asinine and a huge misstep by them. I was so ready to buy one too, but I need to be able to replace the parts myself. There is NO reason I should have to ship my AR15 out of state to get a new barrel installed at their ridiculous pricing.
I observed a problem with AKs
They are so simple and reliable it is difficult to make any major changes in them
Like a bicycle
They changed and solved most problems since 1974
Modern AKs have been upgraded to the point of having pretty much zero parts compatibility with the 74, but that's not to say all modern AKs are good. The AK-12 for example famously had many entirely new issues that were made public only when it was used in Ukraine.
Much of this was arguably caused by government corruption in procurement rather than any problem at Kalashnikov, other modern AK rifles seem to not have had the same issues.
Of course if you'll look at Kalashnikov's own promotional footage it's blatantly obvious that they're not above rigging "tests" in favor of their own guns, so don't walk away thinking the AK is anything more than just a serviceable platform. It works, but so does every reasonable alternative.
I still think the LMT MARS-L would've been a better option for the USMC for a variety of reasons.
cappy rockin the old-school underbarrel grip. i like it. i was raised the same way.
Nice job, Cappy!
Bro thinks he is Jager from Rainbow Six: Siege.
gay, straight it just worked
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Just like the navy
@@MilitaryPlayer141Marines are part of the Navy. Marines are straight up gay.
I don't care how you identify as long as you identify as anti-authoritarian