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TRK502X was just too heavy. I have snapped up a CRF300 Rally. It has heavier springs for 90+ kg rider, bar risers, fat bars & bash plate. Now to add 550 performance ECU, DNA air filter, Acerbis hand guards and rear rack. 😎
I’m 5 feet 9 inches tall, 155pounds. Suspension is definitely soft, which is alright with me. Seat height is perfect, and the bike is extremely light. The power is to be expected for a 300cc engine, which for me is fine. I didn’t want to spend another $4000 to buy a 450 when I could get an Africa twin or tenere used for around the same price. My entire theory on buying a 300 was to use the $$ I would have spent on a larger displacement bike on quality gear and parts. If I want to upgrade, I’ll upgrade. I paid cash for the bike so I have no obligation but to have fun with it and keep it until my son is big enough to saddle the thing. By that time, I hope to be in a bigger bike. And the proven reliability of Honda speaks for itself. I’m an adult rider so I don’t intend on beating this bike to death, therefore if I have to sell it for whatever reason, it holds its value.
I bought a RE Himalayan instead of a KLX300. I am a first time rider, older - age 49, and not seeking risky riding. I love the styling and so far it has been perfect. I do get that the KLX is a superior off road bike but I dont regret it - although I really have nothing to compare it to. Looking forward to your educated review!
Hey man that is awesome and welcome to the hobbie/sport. I hope you saw my video on the benefits of riding a motorcycle offroad because that hits right at home for us older riders, I'm only 10 years or so younger then you. I also love the look of the RE. If you were close to NJ, DE area I would say let's ride and swap bikes for a day.
Good list. However, I noticed a lot of folks selling their "new" dual sports in the 250-300cc because they wanted to really go on and off road and didn't have that little extra speed/gear on the road or ummf off road when desired. When making my choice, I first eliminated all 2 strokes due to the maintenance required if going on road a lot. I then ruled out small bores becauese I wanted to buy once and not out grow something too quickly. The KTM 500 EXCF/Husky FE501S both offer more on the rode than the first 3 listed in the video. Also, the service intervals are not as bad as people make them out to be. They are also lighter than all 5 bikes, making them better off road. Of course they come with a premium. When I made my choice, I narrowed mine down to the Honda CRF300L or 1 of 2 big bores. I chose the bigger bore to be more road capable. So that narrowed it down to the Honda 450L or one of the KTM(ish) variants. I found the Husky 501S first so bought it. I will note, any of those 3 meant I'd need to spend money to address critical concerns for ridability. The 300 would need a suspension upgrade to ride off road and any big bore would require ECU/exhaust upgrades. Though I'm sure I'd be happy with a 300L for a while, I feel good about my decision. I just thought I'd add my view point/decidion making process in case it helps someone. What ever you chose. Have fun!
i think your reasoning is very logical. i think the 300s are not worth it given the lack of punch for the price and neither is a new 650 air cooled big bore limited by a 5 gearbox. a used dr650 is best in terms of dirt and road capability i find when cost is a factor. when cost is not a factor, a new ktm and husqy are best. my thoughts...
I don't get why your channel isn't huge. Your delivery is quick and highly informative. My only suggestion would be to add ride video of the bike your narrative is describing, even if stock manufacturer video. Side note: Saw fast low furry animals cross the trail ahead of your motorcycle.
I had the 300L and spent a fortune on suspension and performance mods... then sold it and bought a ktm 500 exc-f Moral of this story buy the right bike first time round
For a lot of people the 300L is the right bike. Also a fortune? You can get a rear shock, front spring and fork oil for under $700. What did that KTM cost you, 12K American?
Facts, these bikes are a waste of money for a serious dual sporter. If you ride mostly roads (not highway)with the occasional fire road then these bikes will be fine.
I bought the ktm used (like new with only 17 hours) for £5600 uk. I had more than that invested in the 300L with all the upgrades don't get me wrong the 300L is a cracking bike for its reliability and low maintenance and a good choice if your just out to have a gentle plod around the trails with other riders on similar powered machines and i would have probably stuck with the 300L but the lads I sometimes ride with are on CRF450, husqvarnas etc so I constantly felt like I'd taken the wife's handbag to a knife fight. I must say tho I'm glad I made the swap the grin factor on the ktm is MEGA 👍
If you're watching this because of the rally300... just buy it. Put a rear rack on it, a waterproof box, and full send. Videos like these make the world a better place
@Eric Bostick I'm sure the suspension being "better" is helping the braking. Not an expert but that does make sense. To speed is important but I can't imagine they are squeezing much more out. I don't know what the true CC is on the K.
@Eric Bostick with that though... I have to fall back on, "it's a honda". I don't know anything on kawi, nothing! All i can honestly tell anyone is, ride it like you stole it. It's going to get you home anyways. Happy trails. Stay safe bud
@@jeffalley4417 it's 292cc has more hp at higher rpm with 1ftlb less than the Honda. The Honda makes more power at 2 different rpm ranges than the k. The k is higher in the mid and high rpm the h is higher in the low and mid high rpm
New rider, took the MSF course on the xt250, felt pretty cramped. Was able to stand on the ground without the seat touching me and had trouble contorting my foot to upshift. Would you recommend the klx300? Or should I look for something even taller? Carburation is an absolute no-go where I live.
I just bought the 2023 Kawasaki KLX300 GasGas makes a 700 ES dual sport and Husky makes the 701 Enduro but with them both basically being the same as the KTM 690 I can understand not including them I plan on upgrading to one of those in the future after a couple of years of experience on the KLX300 Just a little slow but it’s good enough for now. It hits highways speeds I’ve gotten to 90 MPH but it gets their slower than I would like.
My stats 2021 rally300 (HIGHWAY MOSTLY) current 13k miles Current weight, 200lbs No performance mods Mpg 70 (68 when riding like a squid) USAA INSURANCE less than $200 A YEARRRRRRRR! Note is about $119 a month. Only thing I'd love to do is a suspension upgrade. Otherwise, it's gonna be this until I'm mature (36yo) enough to get an African or a gold wing.
@@MotorcyclesOffroad is that for full coverage/new bike replacement/ and riding gear? A lot depends on your state and premium requirements due to underwriting for each state. I pay $400 a year for my sport bike with the above mentioned coverage. Wondering if it would be the same or lower on a dual sport? 🤔 Only thing I don’t like about the small dual sport bikes is the small fuel capacity. And the available aftermarket tanks are expensive for very little gain in capacity.
I so badly wish Suzuki would revamp the drz400. Put inverted forks, fuel injection, six speed tranny, and of course a comparable seat height to the 300’s or even the DR650. I’ve owned both 300’s and I just don’t like the power. The 650’s are just to heavy. I did own a DRZ. But at 5’8” it was too tall for street use, for me to feel comfortable. I did like the power. So idk.
Tbh the dr650 is as light as the drz by just taking off some of the heavy shit ,rear foot pegs,helmet lock, swap shift levers,etc added on and a muffler swap
Love my TDub, especially as a 5'6 rider. I put gold valves in the front fork and a stiffer spring in the back and it became a perfectly capable dirt bike. Also put a 55 tooth sprocket on the back since I don't ride tarmac much. Thing will climb anything.
Being a former TW200 I will say the bike is a blast but, I would not recommend it for a new rider, I feel the XT is a better dual sport where the TW200 is in a league all of its own as a little tractor farm bike. One of the big problems I see with it is lack of tire selection, the brigstones where horrible in most conditions, I replaced the front with a shinko golden boy but the rear is just what it is as far as a dual sport tire. It was very washy even when I lowed the PSI down to 10-12. Next is it would have been the lowest horsepower bike on the entire list, ok for riding in a small town or village but top speed was probably 55-60mph with me on it. Also as far as maintenance it has a really only design, you have to take the left engine cover off to replace the sprocket and it still has a drum brake.
@Motorcycles Offroad You made some valid points. If you want a highway capable bike the TDub isn't for you. As for the rear tire, the stiffer rear suspension makes it feel more planted and I air it down to 7 psi for rough trails. Mine is more of a trail bike at this point and I'm hoping to get a 300 Rally or Yamaha mini Tenere if they hurry up and make one.
It really depends on how much trail time you are planning on. If you mostly ride on the street with only rare times on trails then most of those bikes will be ok but they are too heavy for any serious trail work. You can ride them on mildly nasty trails but it will be a workout. If you plan on just riding roads out to the trails, one of the European bikes is a must have. Anyone wanna buy my WR250R?
Seems my 2023 CRF300L is most enjoyable on pavement between 4 and 5 thousand RPM, meaning it’s mostly in 5th gear in 35 to 45 mph range. Thing is most roads from city to city in my State of Kentucky where I ride need a bike that will handle nicely in the 55-65 mph range and my 300 makes that an ordeal, it’s too light, too tall, and too sensitive to wind for comfort or confidence at those speeds so for the most part my rides are within my city. I don’t like this confinement so I will likely sell the 300 and get a CL500.
Alright I’m in the market for an upgrade. Currently have a 2006 dr200se…it’s a great starter bike being light and low seat but you know there’s always cons. With that said I had 2 criteria I wanted to meet (6 speed, electric start) I’m interested in efi for convenience but also love the dr350 and have that on the list. Anybody have experience with one and has anyone tried a lectron carb or similar system where it’s better for altitude changes? I’m 5’11” at 150. Look forward to hearing back and seeing what your experience is!
Ya know, There is a lot of people who like it but I think for most people its not the bike. The problem is the Price and how poor it is stock at low speed obstacles. So for me I didnt put it in the list.
Glad to hear you know what a real dual sport bike is ! ! If there are no passenger pegs, if you can not put the girlfriend on the back, it is not a dual sport. But you seemed to forget the XR650L... and if you included the KTM 690, then what about the KLX650 .... ?
So I dont have any experience with the XR650L, and granted it probably should have been on this list. When it comes to the "KLX650" do you mean the KLR650? Because if you are talking about the KLX I was only listing bikes that you can buy new on the market today.
Arguably, as it doesn't quite fit your parameters and I haven't even ridden either, but I'd take a CRF250F and street legal it before the Yamaha XT250. They'd be about the same price in the end.
Well yes the 250f does not at all fit my perimeters there is some huge problems when considering that bike to be a dual sport. One is well you have to out source a street legal title since it doesnt come with one stock now for some states in the US that is not that hard but for many people in other states or other countries that is a huge problem. (I make my videos also for an international audience, only 40% of my viewers is in the US) Next you have to mod the bike to make it street able, like turn signals all that. But lets say these things are not a problem for you, well the huge problem is the bike is a dirt bike overall, if you look in the service manual you have to change oil, oil filter, air filter, as well as inspect valve clearance, crank case breather, and spark plug every 600 miles. That is a lot of work on a dual sport and if you commute with the bike it would be every weekend or everyother. To put it in perspective the honda's oil is every 8,000 miles and valves every 16,000. Hope you find this information valuable.
@@MotorcyclesOffroad . Definitely didn't realize the oil change parameters were that often. Just like the 450L which is one of many reasons I sold it. Interesting that the 450L and 250F have the same oil change parameters but otherwise have absolutely nothing in common. The motors are polar opposite. But, with that said, I still want the 250F and I'll use my Rally for dualsport and mini adventures. The 250F will just be a simple desert/woods bike.
Joey did not not listen to what I considered a dual sport? A true motorcycle that can be used both for commute and trail riding. Motorcycles with a 15hr oil change and 30hr valves are not great motorcycles for people looking for a dual sport. These are plated dirtbikes.
@MotorcyclesOffroad The fact is the KTM is 50 state street legal from the factory makes it a dual sport. Just because you don't think so is irrelevant. There are thousands of people who ride them across continents all over the world. Your title is misleading and biased. My opinion is your choice of dual sport is underpowered, overweight and more suited for fire, gravel and dirt roads. If anyone intends on doing any kind of moderate difficulty single track they will be hating life on either one of those bikes. Hell, even difficult doubles would be a problem and forget about a good hill climb lol. If people complain about maintenance intervals (oil changes and valve checks) they need to realize those are under competitive conditions and unlike the bikes you think are good dual sports are far from competitive racing machines lol. Go on a forum or watch a youtube video of guys talking about the KTM valve maintenance (most do one adjustment in 400-500 hrs of riding and people usually go 1,000 miles per oil change. Give me the lean mean machine any day of the week and you can keep the outdated pigs with lipstick. Hell, I'd put my street legal 2006 CRF250x against any one of those jokes haha.
You left out an important feature....... The XT250 the DRZ400 the DR 650, and the KLX 230 all have in common...They're AIR cooled ( NO RADIATOR) ... UN like the previous two you first mentioned .... That alone makes me want an XT 250 over the others and The ONLY reason I haven't bought one is I'm hoping Yamaha will also produce a 300 to keep up with HONDA and KAWASKI AND I'm hoping it too is AIR cooled ..... We shall see...
The DRZ is liquid cooled, but why do you prefer air cooled? In my opinion I dont feel thats a huge factor for most people when selecting a new dual sport.
I prefer Air Cooled because you can't drop them and break a Radiator ...... My bad your right the DRZ is liquid cooled.. I was thinking DR 650 and Honda XR 650 Anyway I do hope Yamaha builds a 300 Air cooled version.. THAT id buy... Better still a 400 version hahahaha
@Mark Vaughn air cooled is nice for that aspect but you can get more performance out of a liquid cooled engine. They run better and cooler and you have less thermal expansion of the parts so you are able to squeeze more hp out of the same displacement.
@@markvaughn8096 Used to race MX & crashed & smashed my bikes in just about every concievable way, but never messed up any of my radiators. Not saying it can't happen, just saying it's not too likely. Other than the saved couple of pounds, & a few less running parts, I see no advantage to air cooling.
Thats a good question because that bike is kind of an oddball. I mean its nice its finally getting spoke wheels like a real dual sport. The thing is the motorcycle still sits heavy for its displacement at 380lbs, its low front fender would give the sense its more of an ADV bike then a DS. But also correct me if I wrong but is the front tire still on only a 19" wheel?
The Kawasaki and Honda are great fun bikes. They are not race bikes. They are less expensive and low maintenance. Good for mostly 2 lane highway or city streets plus the added off road fun. Nobody would enjoy these bikes on a freeway. Get a higher cc Adventure bike for that.
A Wr250r is definitely not worth the 5k people want to sell them for. The bike has no rear wheel torque and you have to rev it to the moon to get anything out of it. All the Dyno charts I have seen put it at 22 rear wheel hp and sub 15 lbs of torque and you have to rev it to 8,000 rpms just to get that. Not a great bike on technical rocks or climbs, I had the WR250 dirt bike model and it was a bit better but I prefer my plated KDX200 over both for sure if we are speaking strictly off-road capabilities.
@@MotorcyclesOffroad Why? Simple, reliable, easily maintainable, fuel efficient, and Affordable all coupled with a low seat height because as we know new riders who can put both feet on the ground are more confident and lets be honest with the Average height of males being 5'9" in the US the CFR 300l and the KX300 sit at 35.2, Drz 400 sits just above 35. that leaves the Enfield the XT and the TW especially for beginners the best options for new riders of average or below average riders. I'd like to hear your opinions on why the TW is a bad option, Thanks for the reply.
@Mayo Monkey so I sold my Tdubb last year and I still have the footage for the review. Maybe I will put it together finally because it is a great bike. I was already in another conversation on here about the same subject so I will post comment on here to so maybe you can see where I'm coming from. "Being a former TW200 I will say the bike is a blast but, I would not recommend it for a new rider, I feel the XT is a better dual sport where the TW200 is in a league all of its own as a little tractor farm bike. One of the big problems I see with it is lack of tire selection, the brigstones where horrible in most conditions, I replaced the front with a shinko golden boy but the rear is just what it is as far as a dual sport tire. It was very washy even when I lowed the PSI down to 10-12. Next is it would have been the lowest horsepower bike on the entire list from this video, ok for riding in a small town or village but top speed was probably 55-60mph with me on it. Also as far as maintenance it has a really odd design, you have to take the left engine cover off to replace the sprocket and it still has a drum brake.
@@MotorcyclesOffroad Well the KLX and the Enfield certainly aren't even in the same league with the WR250R and while the Honda may be more modern, but it certainly isn't more capable.
I'm 6'5" with a 36 inch inseam, I sat on a CRF300L, and it was nice. The knee bed is comfortable, not too high or anything. Most dual sports aren't too short for tall riders, usually too tall for short riders. Look through the spec lists for Seat Height and look for something comparable to a CRF300 or KLR650 would be my advice. I was daily riding a KLR650 before a pickup truck swerved into me and totaled my love, and plan to get one again. 6 gallons, 53mpg, and a geat seat height.
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TRK502X was just too heavy. I have snapped up a CRF300 Rally. It has heavier springs for 90+ kg rider, bar risers, fat bars & bash plate. Now to add 550 performance ECU, DNA air filter, Acerbis hand guards and rear rack. 😎
I’m 5 feet 9 inches tall, 155pounds. Suspension is definitely soft, which is alright with me. Seat height is perfect, and the bike is extremely light. The power is to be expected for a 300cc engine, which for me is fine. I didn’t want to spend another $4000 to buy a 450 when I could get an Africa twin or tenere used for around the same price. My entire theory on buying a 300 was to use the $$ I would have spent on a larger displacement bike on quality gear and parts. If I want to upgrade, I’ll upgrade. I paid cash for the bike so I have no obligation but to have fun with it and keep it until my son is big enough to saddle the thing. By that time, I hope to be in a bigger bike.
And the proven reliability of Honda speaks for itself. I’m an adult rider so I don’t intend on beating this bike to death, therefore if I have to sell it for whatever reason, it holds its value.
I bought a RE Himalayan instead of a KLX300. I am a first time rider, older - age 49, and not seeking risky riding. I love the styling and so far it has been perfect. I do get that the KLX is a superior off road bike but I dont regret it - although I really have nothing to compare it to. Looking forward to your educated review!
Hey man that is awesome and welcome to the hobbie/sport. I hope you saw my video on the benefits of riding a motorcycle offroad because that hits right at home for us older riders, I'm only 10 years or so younger then you. I also love the look of the RE. If you were close to NJ, DE area I would say let's ride and swap bikes for a day.
The klx300 is also fast enough to run 75mph on the freeway just fine the one big downfall of the Himalayan
Good list. However, I noticed a lot of folks selling their "new" dual sports in the 250-300cc because they wanted to really go on and off road and didn't have that little extra speed/gear on the road or ummf off road when desired. When making my choice, I first eliminated all 2 strokes due to the maintenance required if going on road a lot. I then ruled out small bores becauese I wanted to buy once and not out grow something too quickly. The KTM 500 EXCF/Husky FE501S both offer more on the rode than the first 3 listed in the video. Also, the service intervals are not as bad as people make them out to be. They are also lighter than all 5 bikes, making them better off road. Of course they come with a premium. When I made my choice, I narrowed mine down to the Honda CRF300L or 1 of 2 big bores. I chose the bigger bore to be more road capable. So that narrowed it down to the Honda 450L or one of the KTM(ish) variants. I found the Husky 501S first so bought it. I will note, any of those 3 meant I'd need to spend money to address critical concerns for ridability. The 300 would need a suspension upgrade to ride off road and any big bore would require ECU/exhaust upgrades. Though I'm sure I'd be happy with a 300L for a while, I feel good about my decision. I just thought I'd add my view point/decidion making process in case it helps someone. What ever you chose. Have fun!
i think your reasoning is very logical. i think the 300s are not worth it given the lack of punch for the price and neither is a new 650 air cooled big bore limited by a 5 gearbox. a used dr650 is best in terms of dirt and road capability i find when cost is a factor. when cost is not a factor, a new ktm and husqy are best. my thoughts...
I don't get why your channel isn't huge. Your delivery is quick and highly informative. My only suggestion would be to add ride video of the bike your narrative is describing, even if stock manufacturer video.
Side note: Saw fast low furry animals cross the trail ahead of your motorcycle.
Thank you for the complement, and Well I did do that thing as I rode them personally for 4 of the bikes on the list.
I had the 300L and spent a fortune on suspension and performance mods... then sold it and bought a ktm 500 exc-f
Moral of this story buy the right bike first time round
For a lot of people the 300L is the right bike. Also a fortune? You can get a rear shock, front spring and fork oil for under $700. What did that KTM cost you, 12K American?
Facts, these bikes are a waste of money for a serious dual sporter. If you ride mostly roads (not highway)with the occasional fire road then these bikes will be fine.
I bought the ktm used (like new with only 17 hours) for £5600 uk. I had more than that invested in the 300L with all the upgrades don't get me wrong the 300L is a cracking bike for its reliability and low maintenance and a good choice if your just out to have a gentle plod around the trails with other riders on similar powered machines and i would have probably stuck with the 300L but the lads I sometimes ride with are on CRF450, husqvarnas etc so I constantly felt like I'd taken the wife's handbag to a knife fight. I must say tho I'm glad I made the swap the grin factor on the ktm is MEGA 👍
@joey011582 hey man I love that everyone has their own opinions on the matter, that's really cool tbh.
I bought a dr650 because it is factory made to be lowerable by 1.75inch without having to buy anything but fork seals. At 5' 9" I lowered mine.
I've had a drz400 for years , but recently , a friend let me ride his dr650 for a bit ..... And man , I really liked that bike 👍
I researched both and chose the camo klx 300. Just with a delk pipe it runs great
Nice, I reviewed it last year. It was one of the best new dual sports I have road.
If you're watching this because of the rally300... just buy it. Put a rear rack on it, a waterproof box, and full send. Videos like these make the world a better place
Thanks man, and yeah the rally os pretty great.
All the reviews I've seen say get the klx300 over the Honda faster top speed and better shocks and better front brakes
@Eric Bostick I'm sure the suspension being "better" is helping the braking. Not an expert but that does make sense. To speed is important but I can't imagine they are squeezing much more out. I don't know what the true CC is on the K.
@Eric Bostick with that though... I have to fall back on, "it's a honda". I don't know anything on kawi, nothing! All i can honestly tell anyone is, ride it like you stole it. It's going to get you home anyways. Happy trails. Stay safe bud
@@jeffalley4417 it's 292cc has more hp at higher rpm with 1ftlb less than the Honda. The Honda makes more power at 2 different rpm ranges than the k. The k is higher in the mid and high rpm the h is higher in the low and mid high rpm
Very good video, thanks
New rider, took the MSF course on the xt250, felt pretty cramped. Was able to stand on the ground without the seat touching me and had trouble contorting my foot to upshift. Would you recommend the klx300? Or should I look for something even taller?
Carburation is an absolute no-go where I live.
I just bought the 2023 Kawasaki KLX300
GasGas makes a 700 ES dual sport and Husky makes the 701 Enduro but with them both basically being the same as the KTM 690 I can understand not including them
I plan on upgrading to one of those in the future after a couple of years of experience on the KLX300
Just a little slow but it’s good enough for now. It hits highways speeds I’ve gotten to 90 MPH but it gets their slower than I would like.
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Current weight, 200lbs
No performance mods
Mpg 70 (68 when riding like a squid)
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Only thing I'd love to do is a suspension upgrade. Otherwise, it's gonna be this until I'm mature (36yo) enough to get an African or a gold wing.
Nice! Over the bike has been great to me too. I pay 100$ a year for 3 motorcycles lol
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@@MotorcyclesOffroad is that for full coverage/new bike replacement/ and riding gear?
A lot depends on your state and premium requirements due to underwriting for each state. I pay $400 a year for my sport bike with the above mentioned coverage. Wondering if it would be the same or lower on a dual sport? 🤔
Only thing I don’t like about the small dual sport bikes is the small fuel capacity. And the available aftermarket tanks are expensive for very little gain in capacity.
Voge300 Rally. Half the price, better equipped and better suspension (than the Honda). Oh, and the Voge is basically the KLX engine apparently.
2023 KTM 690 and 2019 DR650 loaded....my everyday on offs
I so badly wish Suzuki would revamp the drz400. Put inverted forks, fuel injection, six speed tranny, and of course a comparable seat height to the 300’s or even the DR650. I’ve owned both 300’s and I just don’t like the power. The 650’s are just to heavy. I did own a DRZ. But at 5’8” it was too tall for street use, for me to feel comfortable. I did like the power. So idk.
Tbh the dr650 is as light as the drz by just taking off some of the heavy shit ,rear foot pegs,helmet lock, swap shift levers,etc added on and a muffler swap
Excellent video
Thanks again!
Thank you for the information
I am looking for a bike now.
Awesome, what are you thinking of picking up?
The TW200 is probably even better than the XT250 as a starter dual-sport. 31.1 inch seat height. It's simply just fun.
Love my TDub, especially as a 5'6 rider. I put gold valves in the front fork and a stiffer spring in the back and it became a perfectly capable dirt bike. Also put a 55 tooth sprocket on the back since I don't ride tarmac much. Thing will climb anything.
Being a former TW200 I will say the bike is a blast but, I would not recommend it for a new rider, I feel the XT is a better dual sport where the TW200 is in a league all of its own as a little tractor farm bike. One of the big problems I see with it is lack of tire selection, the brigstones where horrible in most conditions, I replaced the front with a shinko golden boy but the rear is just what it is as far as a dual sport tire. It was very washy even when I lowed the PSI down to 10-12. Next is it would have been the lowest horsepower bike on the entire list, ok for riding in a small town or village but top speed was probably 55-60mph with me on it. Also as far as maintenance it has a really only design, you have to take the left engine cover off to replace the sprocket and it still has a drum brake.
@Motorcycles Offroad You made some valid points. If you want a highway capable bike the TDub isn't for you. As for the rear tire, the stiffer rear suspension makes it feel more planted and I air it down to 7 psi for rough trails. Mine is more of a trail bike at this point and I'm hoping to get a 300 Rally or Yamaha mini Tenere if they hurry up and make one.
I just wish it would go 75mph on the freeway without ringing it out I love item looks
@@ToGrimmToWin TW300!
It really depends on how much trail time you are planning on. If you mostly ride on the street with only rare times on trails then most of those bikes will be ok but they are too heavy for any serious trail work. You can ride them on mildly nasty trails but it will be a workout. If you plan on just riding roads out to the trails, one of the European bikes is a must have. Anyone wanna buy my WR250R?
Seems my 2023 CRF300L is most enjoyable on pavement between 4 and 5 thousand RPM, meaning it’s mostly in 5th gear in 35 to 45 mph range. Thing is most roads from city to city in my State of Kentucky where I ride need a bike that will handle nicely in the 55-65 mph range and my 300 makes that an ordeal, it’s too light, too tall, and too sensitive to wind for comfort or confidence at those speeds so for the most part my rides are within my city. I don’t like this confinement so I will likely sell the 300 and get a CL500.
If you like to use it for road, add one tooth to the front sprocket and get a 550 performance ecu.
DRZ400
What about it?
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No problem, thank you for all the continued support!
Alright I’m in the market for an upgrade. Currently have a 2006 dr200se…it’s a great starter bike being light and low seat but you know there’s always cons. With that said I had 2 criteria I wanted to meet (6 speed, electric start) I’m interested in efi for convenience but also love the dr350 and have that on the list. Anybody have experience with one and has anyone tried a lectron carb or similar system where it’s better for altitude changes? I’m 5’11” at 150. Look forward to hearing back and seeing what your experience is!
Don't think we get the KLX300 so has to be the CRF300. Awesome bike 👍
Ahh ok, what country are you from?
@@MotorcyclesOffroad Australia
Honda 450L for the win
Ya know, There is a lot of people who like it but I think for most people its not the bike. The problem is the Price and how poor it is stock at low speed obstacles. So for me I didnt put it in the list.
👉 Honda XR150L 👈 I'm getting close to 100mpg on casual cruising. Best bang for the buck at $2990 MRSP.
Glad to hear you know what a real dual sport bike is ! ! If there are no passenger pegs, if you can not put the girlfriend on the back, it is not a dual sport. But you seemed to forget the XR650L... and if you included the KTM 690, then what about the KLX650 .... ?
So I dont have any experience with the XR650L, and granted it probably should have been on this list. When it comes to the "KLX650" do you mean the KLR650? Because if you are talking about the KLX I was only listing bikes that you can buy new on the market today.
Arguably, as it doesn't quite fit your parameters and I haven't even ridden either, but I'd take a CRF250F and street legal it before the Yamaha XT250. They'd be about the same price in the end.
Well yes the 250f does not at all fit my perimeters there is some huge problems when considering that bike to be a dual sport. One is well you have to out source a street legal title since it doesnt come with one stock now for some states in the US that is not that hard but for many people in other states or other countries that is a huge problem. (I make my videos also for an international audience, only 40% of my viewers is in the US) Next you have to mod the bike to make it street able, like turn signals all that. But lets say these things are not a problem for you, well the huge problem is the bike is a dirt bike overall, if you look in the service manual you have to change oil, oil filter, air filter, as well as inspect valve clearance, crank case breather, and spark plug every 600 miles. That is a lot of work on a dual sport and if you commute with the bike it would be every weekend or everyother. To put it in perspective the honda's oil is every 8,000 miles and valves every 16,000. Hope you find this information valuable.
@@MotorcyclesOffroad . Definitely didn't realize the oil change parameters were that often. Just like the 450L which is one of many reasons I sold it. Interesting that the 450L and 250F have the same oil change parameters but otherwise have absolutely nothing in common. The motors are polar opposite. But, with that said, I still want the 250F and I'll use my Rally for dualsport and mini adventures. The 250F will just be a simple desert/woods bike.
The KTMs are around 250 with fuel and twice the power. This video should be which cheap dualsport to buy.
Joey did not not listen to what I considered a dual sport? A true motorcycle that can be used both for commute and trail riding. Motorcycles with a 15hr oil change and 30hr valves are not great motorcycles for people looking for a dual sport. These are plated dirtbikes.
@MotorcyclesOffroad The fact is the KTM is 50 state street legal from the factory makes it a dual sport. Just because you don't think so is irrelevant. There are thousands of people who ride them across continents all over the world. Your title is misleading and biased. My opinion is your choice of dual sport is underpowered, overweight and more suited for fire, gravel and dirt roads. If anyone intends on doing any kind of moderate difficulty single track they will be hating life on either one of those bikes. Hell, even difficult doubles would be a problem and forget about a good hill climb lol. If people complain about maintenance intervals (oil changes and valve checks) they need to realize those are under competitive conditions and unlike the bikes you think are good dual sports are far from competitive racing machines lol. Go on a forum or watch a youtube video of guys talking about the KTM valve maintenance (most do one adjustment in 400-500 hrs of riding and people usually go 1,000 miles per oil change. Give me the lean mean machine any day of the week and you can keep the outdated pigs with lipstick. Hell, I'd put my street legal 2006 CRF250x against any one of those jokes haha.
@@MotorcyclesOffroad yeah, no one wants to spend more time doing maintenance than just getting on the bike and going.
You left out an important feature....... The XT250 the DRZ400 the DR 650, and the KLX 230 all have in common...They're AIR cooled ( NO RADIATOR) ... UN like the previous two you first mentioned .... That alone makes me want an XT 250 over the others and The ONLY reason I haven't bought one is I'm hoping Yamaha will also produce a 300 to keep up with HONDA and KAWASKI AND I'm hoping it too is AIR cooled ..... We shall see...
The DRZ 400 has a radiator, coolant cooled. The DR650 has a radiator with oil inside.
The DRZ is liquid cooled, but why do you prefer air cooled? In my opinion I dont feel thats a huge factor for most people when selecting a new dual sport.
I prefer Air Cooled because you can't drop them and break a Radiator ...... My bad your right the DRZ is liquid cooled.. I was thinking DR 650 and Honda XR 650 Anyway I do hope Yamaha builds a 300 Air cooled version.. THAT id buy... Better still a 400 version hahahaha
@Mark Vaughn air cooled is nice for that aspect but you can get more performance out of a liquid cooled engine. They run better and cooler and you have less thermal expansion of the parts so you are able to squeeze more hp out of the same displacement.
@@markvaughn8096 Used to race MX & crashed & smashed my bikes in just about every concievable way, but never messed up any of my radiators. Not saying it can't happen, just saying it's not too likely. Other than the saved couple of pounds, & a few less running parts, I see no advantage to air cooling.
What do you think about the 2023 KTM 390 Adventure?
Thats a good question because that bike is kind of an oddball. I mean its nice its finally getting spoke wheels like a real dual sport. The thing is the motorcycle still sits heavy for its displacement at 380lbs, its low front fender would give the sense its more of an ADV bike then a DS. But also correct me if I wrong but is the front tire still on only a 19" wheel?
The Kawasaki and Honda are great fun bikes. They are not race bikes. They are less expensive and low maintenance. Good for mostly 2 lane highway or city streets plus the added off road fun. Nobody would enjoy these bikes on a freeway. Get a higher cc Adventure bike for that.
Basically yes, I agree 100%.
Don't forget RE 450, it is newer build
You left off the XR650 :/
I know, I made a mistake with that one. I completely forgot.
I was wondering about this one, glad you commented.
It's strange that it seems to be a largely forgotteb bike in the dual sport conversions, always DR & KLR but rarely XR, idk why.
did you see the deer while you were riding
KTM 350 and KTM 500 are king
Why not Ktm 450 too?
I just bought a very slightly used SWM rs125r until i can afford the crf 300 l as it's 9.400 $ in denmark D:
Well still, that's awesome. Getting out there and riding is a great thing.
Save some money and find a used WR250R in good shape. You'll actually have a dual sport motorcycle if you do.
A Wr250r is definitely not worth the 5k people want to sell them for. The bike has no rear wheel torque and you have to rev it to the moon to get anything out of it. All the Dyno charts I have seen put it at 22 rear wheel hp and sub 15 lbs of torque and you have to rev it to 8,000 rpms just to get that. Not a great bike on technical rocks or climbs, I had the WR250 dirt bike model and it was a bit better but I prefer my plated KDX200 over both for sure if we are speaking strictly off-road capabilities.
TW 200 hands down...
I honestly would not recommend the TW200 to new riders.
@@MotorcyclesOffroad Why? Simple, reliable, easily maintainable, fuel efficient, and Affordable all coupled with a low seat height because as we know new riders who can put both feet on the ground are more confident and lets be honest with the Average height of males being 5'9" in the US the CFR 300l and the KX300 sit at 35.2, Drz 400 sits just above 35. that leaves the Enfield the XT and the TW especially for beginners the best options for new riders of average or below average riders. I'd like to hear your opinions on why the TW is a bad option, Thanks for the reply.
@Mayo Monkey so I sold my Tdubb last year and I still have the footage for the review. Maybe I will put it together finally because it is a great bike. I was already in another conversation on here about the same subject so I will post comment on here to so maybe you can see where I'm coming from.
"Being a former TW200 I will say the bike is a blast but, I would not recommend it for a new rider, I feel the XT is a better dual sport where the TW200 is in a league all of its own as a little tractor farm bike. One of the big problems I see with it is lack of tire selection, the brigstones where horrible in most conditions, I replaced the front with a shinko golden boy but the rear is just what it is as far as a dual sport tire. It was very washy even when I lowed the PSI down to 10-12. Next is it would have been the lowest horsepower bike on the entire list from this video, ok for riding in a small town or village but top speed was probably 55-60mph with me on it. Also as far as maintenance it has a really odd design, you have to take the left engine cover off to replace the sprocket and it still has a drum brake.
I don't think any of the new small Japanese dualsports are as good as my 2016 WR250R.
Riding them side by side and being a previous owner of a WR250r I respectfully disagree.
Yeah, I loved my WR 250R for 8 yrs. I like my new Rally better. Not a lot better...but better.
You're exactly right.
@@MotorcyclesOffroad Well the KLX and the Enfield certainly aren't even in the same league with the WR250R and while the Honda may be more modern, but it certainly isn't more capable.
Where is the engine made? Is any or all of these bikes have Chinese engines forget it.
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I'm fascinated.
I think I might just buy my first bike ever.
I'm 6'5" so I always worry things will be too small.
I'm 6'5" with a 36 inch inseam, I sat on a CRF300L, and it was nice. The knee bed is comfortable, not too high or anything.
Most dual sports aren't too short for tall riders, usually too tall for short riders. Look through the spec lists for Seat Height and look for something comparable to a CRF300 or KLR650 would be my advice.
I was daily riding a KLR650 before a pickup truck swerved into me and totaled my love, and plan to get one again. 6 gallons, 53mpg, and a geat seat height.
the wr250r is really tall, check out "Ogre" he's a youtuber at 6'7 and does reviews on a lot of dual sports and dirt bikes.
@@ih8momjokes1 i ended up buying a KTM 890 Adventure R. Such a blast