I feel really bad for Striker. He really went from a potential major villain to just a jobber that somehow anyone can defeat. Moxxie and Millie were able to defeat Striker despite them both losing to him in Harvest Moon Festival.
I could just say here's a better show underverse and murder drones they are on this platform i just do not understand why people call shows the greatest metal no they're not i mean everyone has their own opinions but i don't care i will say it's bad
It's funny cause people on Twitter keep saying that people hating on the show are just hating and to bring Vivzie down and hating with no real criticisms when there are tons of RUclips vids and comments full of legitimate, genuine critiques of the show. A lot of blind sheep on Twitter that thinks HH and Helluva Boss are a masterclass in perfection, writing, and characters. Smh
I sometimes see people leave comments like "I don't understand why people didn't like the latest episode". I think "Have you actually tried? Have you watched the videos and read the comments of the people who didn't like the episode and made an effort to understand where they're coming from?" If you want to understand why people feel the way they do, it helps to actually _listen_ to them.
@@Corrector1Here’s the thing though she IS aware, Vivz stated it’s more EASIER to pick out the Negative ones that are subjective, than the other that are objectively valid with opinion/fact based criticism, coming off as being ignored & glossed over rather than seen then.
@@RetroFan2.0 I was talking about fans who make no effort to understand valid criticism. Vivziepop is also clearly someone who can't take criticism, so don't listen to her if she tries to make some distinction between good and bad criticism. It's all just excuses.
@@Corrector1 that’s because they’ll see it as an ATTACK on Vivzie’s as a whole, and therefore should be called out for having an opinion about it, if it’s not full of only just praise, like what happened in Cartoonshi’s case where he made a review, and soon after got bombarded with spiteful comments toward him by the majority of the fan mob, to where he’s not gonna be responding and critique to ANY of HB Media in future videos.
The worldbuilding definitely took a hit. IMP openly advertises their services, yet them leaving Hell through the book is a illegal. If using crystals is the only legal way to leave Hell, then why are there no consequences for IMP leaving? You can say Stolas prevents this, but then…what’s the point of getting the book back (aside from character development)?
Something that bothers me is why hasn't Piamon gotten involved. According to the Ars Goetia he is supremely loyal to Lucifer. Why wouldn't he chastise his boy about giving away the tool that allows him to do his work?
Same, the Worldbuiding surrounding Hell isn’t as interesting here, to where it actually uses LESS of the Resources it’s based on, like structuring how ALL Demons are using their own influences onto Human Sinners on Earth, and taking Advantage of in Hell for Each Specific Sin Ring their thrown into. It feels like Vivzie is Restricting a lot of what the show should’ve been in regard to being about Demon POV than Sinners in HH, but being more drama/character with the assassin jobs that carried the story along, which the OG premise was gonna be about. It doesn’t feel like it’s taking the liberty where the show is set in and comes off as playing it too safe in some aspects, like with how the Jeffrey Dahmer joke in the Pilot was seen as out of poor taste joke to Viv.
@@tylere.8436 I really wish they'd actually explore the world they're in and do their jobs instead of high focus on the characters and their development. Its just bizzare that they choose not to.
The sinners who hire IMP have probably no idea about the book, so the only person of note who knows about, aside from IMP themselves is Stolas. Anyone else would probably assume they use the crystals as how likely is it that a couple of low-rank imp-lings gained access to a grimoire of an ars goetia, potentially THE grimoire (I don't know if there are more in the lore, but so far we only know of one in the show) Stolas probably wants to get the book back so that his relationship with blitz doesn't have a transactional component to it anymore, trying to show blitz that he really cares for him. I don't think he was really concerned about the legality of lending the book.
Helluva boss has way too many characters that aren’t naturally developed and the writing has absolutely no focus nor consistency at all. The character development is more than willing to contradict itself for the sake of milking a reaction out of an overly emotional fanbase.
True but a lot are naturally developed and the writing does have focus and concistency but it can be inconcistent at times. No not true, when did the character development ever contradict itself?
I like the idea of having a flashback to more clearly establish the connection between the two because we get a lot of tell, not show. And there's still so much left up in the air, like there's a reason why some people were under the impression that Fizz and Blitzo were brothers and it's because of the lack of information on them. Is Fizz an orphan? Does Cash Buckzo own him? Did Blitzo's mom partially raise Fizz too?
The start is what really bothered me. Like... of all the people why was Blitz getting coffee in greed on this random day and time. It has no establishment but i could have seen striker nabbing Fizz and Stolas using the situation to get a crystal by convincing a reluctant Asmodeus that Blitz could save Fizz.
@beakwooda.k.aadregallus8788 i don't drink the stuff. But why can't Blitz go to a place taht ahs the stuff he likes? Each ring is a simple ride away, and it wouldn't take long either. I know that there's only one pizza place I will get pineapple pizza from because no one else gets it right. So what if it's in the next city over? I'm getting my correctly made pineapple pizza. I also go shoe shopping several cities over because I get better prices that way, and the mall that contains my preferred shoes has plenty of other cheap places to eat. It's a double win.
Literally. It made me feel for the characters and want to know more... I wish I didn't honestly. So disappointing and badly written that it actually hurts my brain
For me this episode encapsulates the type of writer vivziepop is: one with creative worldbuilding and original ideas, but very rough execution. It had the potential to be a very emotionally compelling story (and in some ways it is), but there are so many rookie writing mistakes, which although not that bad individually, add up. First off, it's never a good idea to set up the story in a way that key plot points happen by coincidence. In this episode it's done twice in a row, with blitz and fizz meeting by chance, and by sheer coincidence, crimson and striker are in the building right next to them. Very sloppy writing that doesn't feel clever at all. The humor is honestly abysmal and not remotely funny at this point. I understand that 95% of the show's audience nowadays aren't actually adults, but I think vivziepop could've come up with something more creative than "LoL diLdoS aRe sO fUnNy". Sex jokes can be funny if done right and in moderation, but at this point they feel like an artificial sweetener that's been added to the utter excess with the purpose of giving flavor to an inherently bland product. The blitz and fizz scenes are pretty cool, but I agree that fizz doesn't feel like a very interesting character by himself. There also just wasn't enough buildup for the payoff of them becoming friends to be as satisfying as it could've been. In my opinion it would've been far better to flesh out fizz and his relations with blitz, before delivering this payoff. In addition, the fact that they couldn't make things right sooner because of a simple miscommunication feels lame and unsatisfying. There are some other more minor flaws like Asmodeus being stupid and uninteresting, Stolas just being there for no reason, but those didn't ruin the episode as much as what I already discussed. That being said, it's is still miles better than most, if not all other season 2 episodes. It feels refreshing to have characters develop and go through actual arcs instead of just being fed filler episodes that ruin existing characters more than develop them.
Helluva boss is really a show that feels like it has so much promise and potential! But almost always fumbles with the execution… Like episode 7 is still this show at its PEAK! But man.. did they just fumble everything they were setting up 😭 And that’s helluva in a nutshell :/
Honestly I just think she needs to either step down as director or simply get a co-director. I've heard talk about her being bad at setting appropriate deadlines and can be found wanting in her availability and communication skills. I really think it just boils down to that. And for what it's worth, I think she's also learning a lot after having been thrown into the lions pit. While I don't like season 2 all that much, I think that it's a lot more consistent in many ways. The animation seems a lot cleaner with less errors overall. The voice actors are starting to get into the groove of their characters a little better. I think things are looking up for the show, but I think she also still needs a little bit of help to see it's true potential actualize.
@@thecrakp0t Unfortunately I would have to strongly disagree. Over the past seven years of being a fan of her content, The more public exposure Viv is getting, the more insane she seems to be getting. She's like Dream, in the sence of shes the type of person to heavily fixate on anything negatively said about her becuase she takes critiques as personal attacks, or tactical methods to dehumanise her. Only way to fix this Imo is to push her away from Social Media, or get her to hire a PR Team. Aside from that, Her show is fantastic and I will always enjoy everything...except the writing, and her Twitter..
Episode 7 is going to be the last episode for season 2 and then will basically be no more posting until 2024 i'm going to forget the show ever assisted
In all fairness, two of those tweets you showed us of Viv's "pettiness" were actually her being understandably upset that Erica Lindbeck, Loona's voice actress and a friend of Viv's, was cruelly harassed and bullied off Twitter by a bunch of toxic losers simply because Erica politely asked someone to take down a video they made in which they used A.I. to replicate her voice so that a video game character she voices would sing a song they wanted her to sing, and it genuinely disturbed her. Anyone would be rightfully angry and calling out such awful behavior happening to their friends, Viv is no exception. And the Pinklie Winkurlton III thing was because someone kept harassing and spamming Viv for the name of the hellhound that was hitting on Loona in Queen Bee, and she finally got fed up and sarcastically gave the hellhound that name to get the person to leave her alone. While Viv HAS unfortunately been reacting very badly to genuinely respectful good faith criticisms made by people who do like Helluva Boss and only want it to get better, those examples you showed were NOT examples of that, and Viv's frustrations in those were actually pretty justified. (I can't remember what the third tweet was about though) You could have at least showed the actual tweets of Viv blasting actual valid criticisms to better prove your point. The examples you gave were seriously out of context. Come on dude I know you're better than giving out of context tweets...
I wasn't pissed about this just pointing out that these weren't good examples to show, as Viv had been dealing with actual toxic fans and people spreading false rumors about Erica Lindbeck, and that there were better examples to use that actually showed Viv's bad reactions and deflection to good faith criticism. Also, this is coming from the hypocrite who was clearly pissed enough to make a spiteful, unclever, and childish comment just for pointing this out, and that was an extremely dumb and petty thing to do, but ok.
Oh, then I'm very sorry for misunderstanding, and sorry for my reply. That was my bad. I honestly don't think he was being malicious about it though. I just think he made a misstep and used the wrong tweets as examples.
I wish the circus fire was its own episode instead of a small 15-20 second scene in this one. It felt like there was a ton of buildup for it and then it just gets a short scene.
it also could've worked well as a cold open, maybe an episode that starts with the circus fire scene, and the rest of the episode is dedicated to developing blitzo or fizzarolli
@@meliable I mean Viv was probably gone a lot more from the writing room cause of Hazbin, but I still like this season especially after last episode. BUT THERE IS A CLEAR ANSWER ON WHICH ONE IS BETTER BETWEEN EP 5 AND EP 6.
It really is sad to see that viz won’t take criticism.. and it’s even more sad when she makes blatant lies like the most iconic “helluva is a show about da boys” when she knew that was bullshit 💀 and all you need to do is look at episode 8 to realize wait a minute? For a show about da boys it seems we’re spending and oddly amount of time with Loona 🤔🤔🤔
@@No_name8374 because loona is also a character in the show 💀🤚🤚 the shows about MLM relationships compared to hazbins WLW relationships, but both shows still have female and male characters in the main cast that get focus too, also the shows not even half way finished left there’s gonna be more scenes and eps with other characters💀
Yep! And man idk what went wrong with season 2 😭 it felt like the show was getting better only to get well.. at best it’s fine maybe good and at worst it’s the worst episodes of the entire show 💀
@@No_name8374 cuz it is☠️,it's easily better and it's not even close,writing and backstory was peak,development,blitz and fizz's dynamic,the serious and comedy moments were at point,pacing,execution we're perfect,and the song was the best of the show.don't you even say Ozzie has the best song cuz that shit is overrated asf☠️ It's not a debate at this ep solos every single episode with ease☠️
Fans are mad at you but you’re completely right lol, i think they view this episode as perfect because its the first one with genuine plot and character progression
Everything happens by pure coincidence, the inconsistency of tone is still there only on a smaller scale, character development is accelerated and unnatural, is the best episode of the second season so far, but it means absolutely nothing because of how low the standards of this season are
You know what would make Asmodeus more interesting? Make him not hate love, but not understanding. He seens to despise love because to him, it doesn't make sense and it's useless in his eyes. That way his relationship with Fizz (idk how to write his name) would be confusing and lack just as much as Blitz and Stolas relationship, giving Blitz and Fizz something to bond after many years. It would make their redemption more interesting because it would take away the one thing that is defining Fizz. Asmodeus It would make his feelings towards love not be a farse but something he clearly don't get, and is experiencing for the first time. And yeah, Vivizie is petty, I am not surprised she putted SO much d*cks jokes. Look, humor is subjective, and if she likes jokes that only 11 years old would enjoy, that is fine. I mean, Nick Kroll likes sh*t jokes, and they don't hit that well often But you know what is the difference between Nick and Vivizie? Two creators that makes adult cartoons with immature jokes? One understand that his taste in jokes shouldn't dictates his story. One understands that sh*t jokes can be in like one segment of one episode, or 3 minutes of a 1h hour special, but let the serious and emotional moments have the spotlight The others FILL UP 18 minutes of a 20 minutes cartoon with the same joke, I between serious moments, because heaven forbids anyone tell her there is something called TIMMING VIVIZIE, TAKE SOME WRITING LEASONS FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!
@Shalltear773 honey, I already have a good version of Asmodeous. I am just saying that, with a little more critical thinking and thought, this Asmoudeus would be more interesting. So is his relationship. Not to mention, it would help with the world building, instead of making it more confusing, since everything in this world seen more like a bunch of ideas that don't fit together
@@AbimaelLopez-hz3qq I do know that he wrote most of season 1, and now is Vivizie doing the main writing. I also know she writes most of the dick jokes because she admitted to it. I also know the worse episode of HH was written by her, and that she does not understand timming
They pretty much made Frizzie a sugar baby. Like I get that they want to show LGBT representation. Character development shouldn't be pushed aside because of it as well too
You clearly didn't pay attention to the episode. There was plenty of character development with Fizz, Blitz, Stolas and with Asmodeus. Also it clearly shows that Fizz and Asmodeus are head over heels for each other. Honestly they made it clear that their relationship was the worst kept secret in all of hell. I dunno how that makes Fizz a sugar baby (being the only one to have a completely and utterly healthy relationship, one the happens to beat M & M).
@melteddarkcholate I actually disagree. It just seems like Frizzie and Ozzy are just a couple who happened to have a difference in their status. As they are suppose to represent a more healthier related than Blizt and Stolas.
Personally, i felt absolutely nothing watching the episode It HAPPENED and that's the best compliment i can give it I literally can't think of anything remarkable i can say about it The constant sexual jokes didn't help
I fully expected Striker to die in this episode too, the scene where he holds a gun to Fizz just screams "Villain's Last Stand" scene where he aims to take someone the Hero cares about down with them put of spite. Only to get killed without taking anyone else with them. Also Asmodeus' views on consent and distaste for love potions..Kiiiinda contradicts the idea he would sponsor Succubi like Verosika going to the Human World to have lust-influenced sex with Humans. We literally see her using her "Whorish Mating Call" to seduce multiple Humans at once so her crew can bang them under questionable consent...
There's a difference between demons travelling to Earth and doing their job, and Hellborn manipulating their peers at home. Humans and demons are entirely separate beings, so Asmodeus' views on consent where they're concerned won't be the same.
@@mothichorror446 But it creates the whole inconsistency that Ozzie is pro-consent except when it comes to HIS Succubi. That would work if it was set up to be one of his hypocrisies, but the show hasn't addressed it at all.
there is one change to this episode which would have made it better, and that is if Asmodeus signed a deal with Crimson. It would have made Crimson a credible threat, show how much Asmodeus cares for Fizz, and possibly give Crimson Asmodeus crystals which he could use to provide compatition to IMP and also make the lawyer scene less of a time waster
Just when I thought I finally understood his taste lol. Sometimes it feels like he flips a coin whether to speak positively about something or not JK No hate or whatever
Personally, in the spanish dub at least, the side story of stolas asmodeos and the lawyer was hilarious thanks to the fact the lawyer spoke funny, letting aside the stolas bird sounds and asmodeous faces The voice actor really saved that one ngl Also, i feel like despite the fact fizz didnt shine as much as blitz, he did get a well deserved screen time, the childhood flashback idea was rlly good ngl, but knowing viv this is prolly the best we will get until that one musical upcomimg Also remember this is like a side story to hazbin hotel, its sad that much of its writting is sacrified because of it. but the truth is hazbin hotel is the main focus at the time being, its even going to be uploaded in amazon prime instead of RUclips so thats a huge step Again, the episode was not perfect but considering helluva boss came out of nowhere since theres no a real studio that actually produces the series, its actually doing good enough
Struck the nail on the head again Vanity. Although the fact that I instantly recognised addict in the opening of this video made me question several life choices.
This episode has so many problems, starting with how underwhelming Blitz's apology is with little to no buildup of his and Fizz's rivalry. Striker is yet again reduced to Team Rocket level of intimidation, and after being told to don’t touch Fizz because he’s supposed to just watch him he just… vanishes, not doing his task. He also just stands there, falling for Fizz's distraction instead of shooting him in the head and calling it a day. Crimson, for some reason, has the balls to make demands to Asmodeus, one of the deadly sins, a being inferior only to Lucifer. And it works and he's okay! Because for some reason Asmodeus, like a good boy, just sits in his office doing nothing instead of looking for Fizz. If Stolas was able to locate Blitz on earth, how someone much more powerful can be this useless? You will say "oh, they would kill Fizz if Ozzie showed up". Gtfo, he's a sin, he should be able to obliterate some puny imps with his presence alone. Asmodeus looks weaker than Alastor right now. They had a whole build up with Ozzie getting angry and did nothing with it. Pathetic. We could've seen one of the sins finally showing some of their powers but no, because Viv just had to have Blitz and Fizz make up in this episode.
It really would’ve been more interesting if the bullshit was treated like bullshit from the characters themselves. Like hell striker could’ve seen pass fizz bull and went for the shot and create a more interesting moment we’re blitz has to abandon blowing a whole in the roof to go save fizz. And I can just go on about how many more interesting routes they could’ve took in this episode but what’s even the point 😔
Eh...it was not a bad apology and it had some buildup. Not at all, he actually does shit, he doesn't completely vanish he is there in the shadows, doing his task watching over Fizz. Is that a bad thing? Fizz was no threat to him, why not see where it goes before he kills him? Crimson is a bold and scary person himself, he knew what Asmodeus is like. He does try looking for Fizz but he can't find him. He isn't useless, but he's a expert on lust not stuff like seeing through the very cosmos like Stolas is. They could still kill him though. Not at all. What was that a build up for? It was to show how he would obviously react. They did it's purpose. It isn't pathetic. Now it sounds less like actual bad writing and more so you didn't personally get what you want.
@@Jdudec367 You literally fill the gaps Viv left. Nothing you wrote was confirmed in the episode itself. That's bad writing and it's not the first time viewers need to do that because Viv can't write. We don't see any build up to the apology, we literally saw adult Fizz and Blitz interact for the second time in the series, and the first time Fizz humiliates him in the club. Striker doesn't watch from the shadow unless we see him there. And we don't, he just re-appears out of nowhere after Fizz and Blitz are already out. Asmodeus didn't look for Fizz, we don't see it, we see him sit in his office. And just because he isn't responsible for cosmos and stars like Stolas doesn't change the fact he's a sin, he should be able to find one Imp if he wished too. Crimson, scary? Dude got played by Chaz, and any intimidating scenes Crimson had were immediately ruined by a dick jokes. I'm fine that the plot don't go my way if it makes sense. This episode doesn't. It has good moments and characters with potential and that's it, but it's all waisted because of mediocre writers.
8:48 yeah, that‘s because she simply can‘t stand having her show be serious for more than 3 consecutive seconds. Even this episode had to undercut the serious tone with another cheap and quick action/comedy bit every time the character‘s got genuine. It‘s the same tone problem that has plagued this show for the better of a year now, and just because it‘s self conscious about it doesn‘t make it any better. The only episodes that aren’t ruined by Bathos (the method of having a joke immediately follow up a serious scene) I can remember are season 1 episode 2 and 7.
And it’s silly that viz can’t look at those episodes and realize that the reason why there regarded as this series PEAK is because they allowed those emotional moments to BE emotionally moments!!! But nah got be self aware or make some dumb joke after a serious scene because f@ck you I think it’s FUNNY!
I don't really see how being action heavy is a problem. It's one of the main appeals of the old "Looney Toons" cartoons. The skits were usually about A vs. B: Tweety vs. Sylvester, Bugs vs. Elmer, Sam or Daffy, etc.
@@ThePrincessCH Yeah, it worked there because it was Looney Tunes. HB constantly switches between wanting to be taken seriously and making fun of itself/shocking the audience with violence or sex jokes every three seconds, and that's not a "unique style", that's tone issues.
@@thesmallscout9810 glimpses of hope in a dark dumpster. Western Energy was the biggest waste of potential and overall disappointment we have seen thus far and the fact that the resolution to "Ozzie's" peak drama was a chat that happened off screen and which you would miss if you didn't pause the episode feels like a sick joke. Also also, don't even mention Blitz's "he can get hurt?" line... That was the worst bit of screen writing Viv has ever come up with. Blitz was right fcking there when Striker almost assassinated Stolas and actively saved him, so how in the actual fck is he surprised when the same guy manages to hurt Stolas later on in the series?
I hate that you're right. Except that the B plot had nothing for the plot. It's about Stolas trying to find a way he can let Blitz go and never contact him again. So Stolas is somewhat ready to get over this toxic relationship and wants to move on. And other than that, there's the fact the we saw him and Asmodeus interact, that was still great, even if it doesn't add much. You can't change my mind about that, seeing Asmodeus and Stolas together makes me happy, period.
So I haven't watched the latest episode, but I know I'm gonna like it. I just wanted to say keep up the good work Van (Mind if I call you Van?) I know a lot of the fandom has been described as rabies-infected dogs when we hear people talk trash about the show, but this stuff helps me to become a better writer, even though I don't mind the problems in Helluva (long story) I can see them, and they do annoy me sometimes and watching people talk about how they can be fixed or problems with certain aspects, have given me a lot of advice that couldn't have happened without your help and others talking about the show. So, thanks for helping a dreaming writer out my man. Anyway, will I see ya same time next week, probably talking about another Helluva failure from the show- Sorry I had to make that joke.
Please keep doing this. Believe it or not critic that is constructive and pointing out the problems really helps for beginner writers like me be more intentional in their writing. I love seeing analysis videos of movies and shows. It’s helpful.
As someone who loves Helluva Boss, I agree! It’s nice to hear criticism of a show I like because it helps me to understand that I shouldn’t just blindly follow what other people write, even if I really like it.
I respectfully disagree about Asmodeus. I think his character is fairly well established for the time being. He's a mirror to Stolas. He's the reasonable energy bouncing off of Fizz's chaotic gremlin energy. We know that he is a chill guy who has a temper but isn't vengeful. He could've easily killed Millie for hurting Fizz but he didn't. He was happy to greet Stolas and pull his chair out even while saying Stolas crashed his club. He can be rash. He's protective and supportive. He can be a sassy show-off. He's a hypocrite when it comes to love because he has to keep an image for his Brand. It's like if Disney started releasing R-rated content. People would be furious. Ozzie isn't complex. But I do feel like I know his character.
How would you rebuild Striker? could Striker be rebuilt or is he too far gone to be saved?. Striker Season 1 seems like an entirely different character then Striker from season 2. Like a dopplganger replaced our favorite cowboy. leaving said cowboy in the Hideaway Hotel for some odd years. This entire season has been of a bit of a rough watch for me as well. I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing the inconsitancies of the show.
I get that Stolas wouldnt be made a Love Potion but why is everyone else forbidden to be made one by Ozzie? And finding out that Fizz and Ozzie are legit wholesome and healthy ruins the entire purpose of Ozzie as a Sin and I was hoping Bee is the outlier but at this point, I know Mammon is the next Sin who's gonna be this wholesome ruler with morals especially treatment to his civilians in Greed and the Sneak Peak just sells everything, Idc about the reveal of him or the other Sins anymore. This version of Hell is not this secretly sinister place which the Hazbin Hotel Pilot says otherwise with Pride and Idc for any future episodes until this improves and the show doesnt feel like a quality adult show, everything after Episode 3 of S2's release but moreso Episode 7 of S1's release just feels like it is for teens now, bad and underwhelming.
Charlie: Demons need redemption! And then there's the representation of lust not making love potions to force people to fall in love with others and gluttony just being a cool party girl
@@ronaldmacjokerfeliz2669 Charlie never said demons, she said sinners, sinners are people who end up in hell due to their life choices and actions back when they were living, like how we saw in episodes 2 and 3 of Helluva, and the pilot of Hazbin, Demons can be classified as hellborn or sinners, and some hellborn demons, such as Crimson, Stella, Striker, and Verosika(at least what we’ve seen from her so far) for example, are bad demons. Also, Bee and Ozzie aren’t demons, they’re Sins, they represent the 7 Deadly Sins, and they’re only 2 of the 7, who knows what Mammon and the other 4 are like
@@Ghost_Toast_Crumbz Aren't sinners basically a type of demon in this "hellluvaverse"? Furthermore, if I'm not mistaken, sinners ended up there because of "sins"
@@ronaldmacjokerfeliz2669 the deadly sins just represent said sin, they don’t control how someone uses the sin, and again, we’ve only seen 2 of the 7, it might be different for the others, and also yeah, I said demons could be classified as hellborn or sinners, but Charlie said sinners, not demons. Hellborn demons would have no way of getting into heaven(unless they were royalty like Charlie), just like how Heaven-born angels probably wouldn’t be able to get into hell(most likely unless they’re exterminators), however, Sinners could potentially go through the gate to heaven, seeing as they’re not from either of the two places, they’re from earth, and their actions determine where they end up when they die
I realize with each passing day that the fandom of vizipop's works are either 11 year old children or people who think they suffer as much as the character in the work So it doesn't matter if the characters aren't developed, that the plot is bad, that the story doesn't go anywhere, that the jokes are embarrassing and unfunny: the fandom will continue to support
Because the fandom want the characters to stagnate and not develop because of characters will change, omg that means they can change. We can’t have that! That validation makes the fandom very defensive of any real writing advice.
Honestly, it isn't that bad. I found it to be one of the most enjoyable outside of the morning routine. It's just that the pacing made it really quick. Other than that, the writing by itself was actually really good for me.
@rainbowtoyfunrandomess1982 It's literally only 90 seconds, dude. They only ever have shown to interact once, which was at Ozzies. Do you realize how underwhelming that is?
Ngl, i can see and agree with some of the things in this video. Especially when we really dive into the development of certain characters. Though i will say this though, not only was this episode very enjoyable, but this episode was 10x better than Unhappy Campers.
Seriously, while the stuff with Striker's character development was pretty bad, I rather watch that than the man-child Moxxie was in Unhappy Campers. The thing is about that episode was they don't even try to hide the fact job could've been done within a few minutes. Oh but no, we have to go with Moxxie's plan and watch him act salty when Millie has all the attention of the camp counselors even though he was acting like an entitled narcissist.
This just now occurred to me, but why is the only gay representation in the show with dudes? I think the closest we’ve gotten to wlw is Apple and Coco (two of Verosika’s crew members) from spring broken, but I could’ve missed something.
Idk it just seems odd to me that a series with such a vast variety of LBGTQ rep would flood the show with one type of homosexual relationship but almost completely miss the other
That's not future proof i already know there is like a show canceled that is made by the same person that made regular show i already know about it so don't even tell me
I thought Viv said something about Helluva Boss being mostly male focused since Hazbin is supposed to have a female lead in a lesbian relationship with Charlie and Vaggie
From what I know the reason we didn't get a flashback of fizz and blitzø together is because the upcoming episode will the grand mid season finale before we'll have to start waiting 3-4 months for one episode and from the 2022 trailer we will be getting many flashbacks alone side Mammons reveal
This was the best episode by far. Best fanfare character wise best song great character development for blitzo and the start of an arc of him apologising and righting his past relationship failures. Absolutely adore this episode 10/10
@@Jdudec367 first of all, damn u everywhere aren't u? Second of all, I didn't word this the best way and it probably sounded way better in my head six months ago. But what I was actually referring to was its placement in the season. This season changes widely in tone and doesn't really feel like it has a set identity anymore, and this episode is one such example. Like I said before, this episode works well on its own but falters when placed with the rest of the season. The season where the rising tensions between the main characters has been both hyped up and crushed because of the events of previous episodes. So is it really the best time to be setting up an entirely different plot focusing on an entirely different character this late in the season? This felt like an episode that needed to happen in like the end of season one or at the beginning of season 3. Fizz's whole arc, while decently written on paper, adds very little to the overarching plot of the season, Blitz and Stolas. This episode, the episode right afterwards, and his little moment in Full Moon could be cut and/or moved to the next season and not much would change. Then there's the Asmodean crystal subplot, what exactly do we do about that you say? Well make it an entirely different episode so Viv wouldn't have to explain everything else in Just Look My Way.
Not surprised on what you thought about the episode, as you kinda clickbait and when the audience loves the ep you hate it, but i do wanna say my favorite parts anyway, i think the animation in this as its a lot less animatic-y so thats good
honestly wouldnt watch helluva boss if it was a sit-come just revolving around the i.m.p buisness. i like that theyre exploring the actual universe and characters.. remember were at the beginning of the show whitlist 2 more seasons to go (14epseach). i feel that its great werre touching on other characters backstories and relationships for buildups. these were the best episodes so far of the entire show. i feel like alot of people expect helluva boss to just be revolved around millie, moxxie, blitzo, stellaa and the i.m.p buisness as a sitcom which just seems lame. i appreciate what theyre doing.
Oh my god I fucking called it. somehow he likes episode 5 which what I heard wasn’t really that well received, yet he somehow hates this episode which is just…no. This is stupid. By no means this episode is a masterpiece, like all good episodes have flaws in them that can rub you the wrong way and that is fine. but to say this episode is a “failure” compared to the other episodes in this season? yeah that is just horseshit.
Well to be fair, episode 5 told a story that more closely resembled what HB was originally about, smth that he openly said he liked. But this episode tried to be ambitious, but bit of more than it could chew. It isn't a bias or anything, we all have our own reason for liking things like for one, I loved the Circus episode because that stuff ran smoother and felt like an episode in HB with natural drama than most of the episodes of the season. He loves Unhappy Campers because it felt like HB, the one that most ppl signed up for anyways, and told a natural and entertaining story while being able to stand as it's own episode. What u could at least give him is that he at least gives a good reason as to why he feels why he does, unlike the ppl who randomly say that Western Energy is "peak" or some shit like that.
@@ThatguyUkn0wfr0mS0mewhere Well I disagree, I like both episodes but I would say this one worked better really and worked well, it didn't really bite off more then it could chew. I feel like most of them have natural drama really. You don't think those people have reasons either? I feel like that is you being biased then cuz you don't like western energy, again it has importance and we actually see Striker seem dangerous and very skilled.
@@Jdudec367 ok sry for before my opinion on Western Energy has changed a lot since it initially came out (u weren't wrong about the bias). Ive learnt to enjoy it as more of a fun one of episode rather than smth actually serious (which is smth I do still stand with for most of the Western Energy). I respect your opinion and I definitely think the episode is miles from bad, just that it had some weirdly written moments throughout (I'm talking about Oops btw). Though I still can't get over Strikers treatment in both episodes. Also while I do like Unhappy Campers, I'm starting to see why ppl really didn't like that episode. Edit: Holy crap man u were the guy who just replied to me on another comment, talk about insanity and pure resilience. Yeah refer to my longer reply for a more detailed response pls.
I’m sorry but I disagree with this take. I feel as though that this was one of the better episodes of the season and possibly the best episode of the series so far. Us seeing something finally godo happening to Blitz as well as us getting more inside info as to how Blitz got his scar and why one of his past relationships despised him is such a breath of fresh air. As well as that, you only go into detail about the negative aspects of the episode and not even going into the positives bc this episode had a lot of positive aspects that made this episode really good. Of course you are entitled to your opinion and your opinion shall be respected, but this episode is definitely not a failure at all whatsoever.
"This show has had such an abysmal fall from grace since the start of season 2 that an episode giving minor character backstory is considered the best in the show" Thats what Vanity said about Happy Campers. Feel like this comment is proof.
The show fell from the start. Crashed and burned to the ground. Yet viv tries to keep it alive Even tho it's no use. Since she's the one who incompetently killed it. Hell even episode 1 (Problably the only good episode of the show which says alot) has aged horribly. And I mean it when I say it. It's sad and I was always hoping for her to do something the flaws of the show. Which she never did. She instead kept firing hundreds of rounds into her own foot instead. Season 1 is dogshit because it can't stand on it's own legs. Due to Incompetent Structuring, Worldbuilding, No connection to each episode whatsoever and Introducing too many antagonists. Which had ALOT of great great potential. As in they should have appeared in every episode. They would have been loved n memorable. But no. Instead Viv throws them in a dumpster filled with gasoline and diesel. And then chucks a fire match into it to watch them all burn. Who even remembers the cherubs? Who remembers Blitzos ex? It's a mess and especially the final episode of it. It was just meaningless bare to the bone filler. Which did absolutely nothing in solving the falling out between Blitz and Stolas. Then theres the terrible character development or lack there of. It's so damn confusing. And then theres season 2 which is just season 1 but turned to the extreme from dogshit To dogshit with radioactive acid. It's just a sad sight to be seen. She did absolutely nothing to improve anything for the most of it. She tried to atleast fix the mess. She caused in unhappy campers. With the teleporter thingies which made the book pretty much useless from the start. Given the fact that it's a really important item. But at the same time she shot herself in the foot again. Because it was a shitty explanation. Then theres the conflict between Blitz and Fizz that was just solved in a couple of minutes. Why didn't it even happen like idk Many years earlier? Idk what to even say. Hell even she admitted to saying that there weren't any plans for a second season in the first place. Which explains why it became so much worse than it was before. Im suprised anyone didn't come up to her and say that: Hey! This is terrible, we should improve it! Anyway yall have a good day. I hope Lackadaisy atleast doesn't repeat vivs mistakes.
Something I don't see anyone talk about but bothered me is how much of a bitch Ozzie is in this episode. An imp kidnaps and threatens his partner, and one of the seven deadly sins plays by his rules? Then gets pushed around by some sweaty shark lawyer? When Ozzie says "if they talk I'll break them" at the end, my first thought was "lmao no you won't".
What are you saying? Ozzie is desperate enough to get Fizz back. Besides he didn't want anyone to find out about his relationship with Fizz because of you know, being a hypocrite. But in Season 2 Episode 7, towards the end of the episode while he was confronting Mammon, he did admit he loves Fizz even though Mammon is going to blackmail Ozzie.
I know complicated thinking is too much so I'll explain something very, very basic here. what the fuck was Ozzie supposed to do? he didn't know where Crimson was holding Fizz. did you want him to just go on a blind rampage and risk Crimson just ending Fizz because of Ozzie literally doing the stupidest thing he could've done? I'm sorry but not every character is omniscient and shit
Unfulfilling failure?! No way! This episode was amazing, I mean I love everything about it! Ozzie and Fizzarolli's relationship, seeing Striker and Crimson again, Blitz and Fizzarolli working together to escape and reconcile in the end, and we even get to see Stolas fully recovered ever since Western Energy! Not only that, but the song, Look at This is a banger! Overall I freaking love this episode so much and it's becoming one of my favorite episodes!🤩👍
I dislike this episode. But it was better than the others ones in season 2. I can tell Viv is running out of funds. And she needs to save them for herself instread of giving it away to Lackadaisy. Just saying.
/!\ VERY LONG COMMENT /!\ After I've watched the episode I've had so many questions: If Blitzo and Fizzaroli never met after the accident why were they acting the way they did? Why was Blitzo saying in "Queen Bee" that "Fizz's was right, he's gonna die alone"? Why did Blitzo tried to fight him? They haven't talked to eachother for fifteen years, they shouldn't behave like they hate eachother, especially Blitzo. I think Fizzaroli should be angry, while Blitzo should feel extremely embarassed, and would try to explain to him what actually happened (even though i assume Fizz' wouldn't listen to what he has to say). Then: why did Asmodeus decided to blackmail his employees to not talk about him having a relationship in the end of the episode? He could've done that when he started to date Fizzaroli, it wouldn't have changed the story much... But Asmodeus would seem less dumb! Also having him saying "lust is not a matter of force" says a lot about the researches VivziePop has done about Asmodeus. In his lore he killed 7 people because a girl did not wanted to sleep with him (it's in the Old Testiment). Knowing that makes this sentence hypocritcal at best (which might suit him, this episode show us he's a hypocrite) and stupid at worse! Why did he ended up in Hell if he didn't comlited those crimes? Then: wasn't Crimson broke? How could he pay an assassin to get Blitzo killed? Doesn't he have a ton of other guys who could've done it to his place? I mean, he's a mafia boss... But damn, what a shitty mafia boss : WHEN did he though it was a good idea to mess with a PRINCE? Ozzie's litterally runing an entire circle and has magical powers! Plus, in theory, no one is supposed to know Fizz' and him are dating... So why to use him a hostage in the first place? It was like he kidnapped one of his employees and hoping he could get money out of it... Crimson really IS a shitty mafia boss! And that's a problem, because I can't take him seriously as an antagonist (that dildo joke in the third episode not helping). Then: that song... None of Crimson's guys though to shoot Fizz' while he was singing? Really? Then: Where did Blitzo went after saving Fizz'? Did Fizzaroli came back to the lust ring alone? (I hope Blitzo drove him back to Lust) Then: having Fizz' saying he now dislikes to go outside feels kind of... toxic? I mean, when the episode starts we learn that Fizzaroli doesn't go out very often, to not say "never", and when he decides to get out (in the circle where "the accident" happened) he stambles into the guy who destroyed his life and gets kidnapped. Having him saying that he "hates going outside" feels like he's now traumatized, I don't think it should be a good thing to make him say this like it was a positive conclusion to what happened... Plus, making him say that it gave him new kinks... I don't know... I feels weird... I'm not really looking for answers to these questions... I only wanted to talk about these incoherences which made this episode less enjoyable... The writters really need to step up their game, because if they don't the people who watch the show are going to get bored and just stop watching it... Also: having Stolas be like "I lOVe WoRDs" was so CRINGE!
HB is definitely one of those things where the more you think about it, the less *EVERYTHING* makes sense. This show *desperately* needs better writers who actually know what they're doing and can actually keep things consistent. But let's be real, expecting Viv to actually learn from any of this is like expecting a Live-action Disney remake to actually be good. It ain't happening.
Well I absolutely agree that Striker became pathetic af and it would be better for him to be killed at this episode to stop his downfall and I agree that Asmodeus is more of an accessory to Fizz than an interesting character. But you have already found the reasons of all the issues and it's Vivienne's poor writing. She's so childish. And look she's still practicing. Helluva boss is more of an experiment. Guess she's still learning some things while working on the show. So your essay is pretty profound but I think maybe Viv still could make it better. Let's just watch futher. ❤
Agreed, I'd consider it one of the better episodes. The actual main action of the two trying to escape was kinda meh but somehow the rest ended up rather funny, witch we haven't seen in a long while (anyone remember how this gay fanfic was initially intended to be a comedy?)
What?! I literally rewatch this episode often as I find the ending pay off so satisfying to watch.. it’s like a perfect Meet Cute - nothing grandiose but an intimate story of two characters I loved (Blitzo & Fizz.) I agree there was little build up to this all backstory wise. But it works and I think is highly satisfying to watch every time. I am a character shipping maniac though which I think Viv sees as her perfect target audience. LOL, I find it interesting to hear other’s thoughts on this. Also Striker was cool in this - he gives me Slade/ Deathstroke vibes from Teen Titans lmao.
I can understand where u r coming from, I also find some unironic enjoyment from this show in its current state. But u gotta understand that this show isn't supposed to be that. It's supposed to be an 'adult' show that uses it's age rating to explore its characters while telling a story that could only be told in the realms of its world.
You want Helluva Boss to have more comedical moments and less boring parts, you want Murder Drones to have less comedical moments and more boring parts.
ya , this ep at fist view is a step up... then 2 step back when jsut think for a second I like the show at start ,but now is jsut liek any other so call adult show
The "Goodbye horses" fan animation of this episode is so insely well written and well animated that I genuinely think the show doesn't deserve it. It's too good for lukewarm garbage like this show
Same. The most I’ve had is feeling like Seeing Stars and Western Energy are kind of forgettable. Like, I don’t really think about them that much. But other than that I really don’t feel like S2 has affected my enjoyment of the show too much.
I can KINDA understand where Ozzy is coming from when he claims he doesn’t like “Nonconsentual Sex” since R@pe isn’t simply just “Lust” but it’s Lust mixed in with different sins… More specifically R@pe is a combination of three different sins, Lust, Envy and Wrath; Lust because someone desires the pleasure of sex, envy because they want someone else’s body and wrath because they are willing to use force to get it.
The sad thing is that I understand what vivzy wants to do. draw a clear line that differentiates hellborns and sinners. I mean, seeing what Lucifer is like. It would make sense that The Deadly Sins are decent people, since they were once angels. And if I wrote them as complete monsters, why make their own show, you better go read the Bible. But things like social classes, politics and hierarchy are things that don't change overnight. The first episodes it was scandalous that Stolas had a relationship with an imp. Only for them to come out with the fact that almost all sins are doing the same thing. Also what I said about capital sins being angels before. She never made that clear, she simply filled in the gaps.
The sins are all pretty flat. That's aged immortality for you tho. Zeus doesnt have much going for him either. Makes the little guys with their brief spark more interesting by comparison. They're probably more intersting than we see btw - Vivzie has a really bad habit of posting lore around the internet instead of actually putting it into animations. Btw, the buttload of random dildos IS hilarious. I'm 37.
Are you serious right now? This episode out more in depth of Fizz's and Blitz's background and story. It also showed that Crimson and Striker(of course) are gonna be constant antagonists for certain characters to deal with. It also shows that Stolas is becoming more aware of the fact that his relationship with Blitz is far from what he wants it to be, while from Blitz's perspective he can't trust that Stolas actually likes him because one he's a prince, and two because of (if you payed attention to the flashback you'd notice this nice lil detail) what happened when he trued to muster the nerve to confess to Fizz. Blitz's confession when he apologized to Fizz also confirmed that he has a very low opinion of himself that alao opens more on his character. And before anyone starts on the jokes, the whole Dicks on the wall thing wasn't in Exes and Oos was not a joking matter. Crimson was full on mocking Moxxie for being LGBTQ in the first place, he literally said "I made the place more to your kind's liking." And there isn't just sex jokes here, there's dark humor, light humor, funny song numbers and sarcastic comebacks. It's all adult humor this isn't a show for minors. And lastly, Fizz and Asmodeus' relationship is beautiful, they are officially my favorite couple in this series.
It doesn't sound like you watched the whole video. He addressed your point about blitz and fizz making up. The scene was good, but could've been better if there was more buildup and a bigger conflict between the 2 was established. The way it stands right now, the conflict is resolved in the same episode that 90% of it is introduced, making the payoff feel premature and unsatisfying.
unhappy campers did not deserve the amount of time and money that an episode of an animated tv series costs. That Money could have fed starving children
Honestly having striker slowly devolve wouldn't be a problem but...its now slow. As soon as the very second episode he is in comes out he's become a cartoonishly confident asshat who can't take a joke which makes it incredibly hard to take seriously. What they probably should have done is show striker progressively getting mpre and more irritated with his losses to IMP, this can be done pretty well if they see IMP actually preparing for the fact that they may face striker given the fact that in his first appearance he almost killed moxxie and knocked millie out cold. Have him still be threatening, the jokrs don't affect him instead he kinda just ignores'em and keeps proceeding if anything maybe even tainting them for attempting to use such a dirty tactoc while still fighting. He doesnt just stop and gloat he does it while he's destroying his opponent. Maybe he has to result to dirtier tactics, not jokes but attacks that seem petty or unfair, something only desperate people would do but his drive and will to kill the IMP gang keeps them on their toes. Eventually his losses would lead to his public reputation taking a hit. This would probably drive him mad but at this point he'd probably stop caring about what they think, he's going to kill these IMPs whether if he has a reputation or not, and not stella nor stolas nor crimson will get in his way. Think about how characters like robotnik are treated in lets say the archie comics. Their powerful, calm, overly confident, but threatening villians that often mentally degrade as the story goes on. But they're never thrown off of the opponent because of some stupid joke, they're constantly on the hunt and constantlu making new advances to achieve there goal. Whether it be using dirtier cheaper tactics to show how desperate they've become they're unhinged decline makes them more unpredictable but they're never torn down so much that they come across as unskilled.
Also I dont mean "nots now slow" I meant "its not slow" striker goes straight almost to the bottom as soon as he is reintroduced. They didn't give him time to be threatening outside of his first episode.
Why are all the jokes about sex? Its literally so annoying- Tadc has amazing jokes that arent all about sex or private parts.. "STFU!! WHY IS IT ALWAYS A SEX THING??"
I really didn't like how it seemed the princes just took the threats like they did. I mean they should be so much more powerful against imps in general i feel
@@Birdyboys That’s crazy 💀 cause even by a technical point you’re wrong 😭😭🤚🤚 and i say this as a barbie fan, this episode was way better then last episode
I know that I'm very late, but some of the "issues" you pointed out in this episode are among the reasons why I enjoyed it. The only point I agree with is Striker (though I was hoping that they wouldn't "off" him like you suggested, it would have been way more underwhelming than giving him the chance to play a more meaningful role in the future. And even if I hated that he got distracted by Fizz's song, I think this episode gave him more justice than Western Energy). Oh, I also agree with the "phallus" thing, it isn't fun, it just seems pointless. Regarding the rest, I disagree with everything. I wouldn't have enjoyed it if this episode broke the momentuum with some corny flashback sequence to explain in a super on-the-nose way Blitz and Fizz' friendship. Ep 1 gave me all the informations that I needed regarding their dynimic, which role everyone played etc., so much so that when Blitz said "you always cared about my opinion" I could totally believe it, just like when Fizz said that he suspected Blitz was jealous of him. And how brief was the revelation of their trauma, before from Fizz's pov and then from Blitz's, is the exact reason why I want to praise it so much. It wasn't rethorical, melodramatic or too long: things that would have made you question how over-the-top that scenario actually was. But it was shocking and hard-hitting. They treated such an unlikely and unfortunate scenario in the best way they could (the incident happened due to such random and unfortunate circumstances that it would have been comedic if it wasn't so tragic, so that was the best way to convey it. It would've been difficult to take it seriously if more emphasis was put into it. And it was the most respectful and sensitive way to handle that topic, imo, otherwise it would have felt like they were trying to make a spectacle out of it, instead of respecting the pain of the characters). And I was so glad that Stolas didn't solve the problem at the end: I like Stolas, but how much more "Mary Sue" do you want him to be? And I thought that Fizz was well-characterized for what he had to do in this episode: there was A LOT of implicit characterization in his dialogue and actions (the fact that he isn't good at fighting speaks volumes, but also "I promote products that I don't actually use", his fairness in judging royals, the fact that he can easily forgive once he has the whole picture, "today I've learned that I don't like going outside", and other things). I agree about Asmodeous, but I'm sure he'll have more to him when he becomes more plot-relevant. And I haven't watched episode 5 yet, I purposely skipped it because I know it doesn't have a good reputation, but from what I know people didn't like that the drama with Blitz' sister was so heavy-handed, nor the M&Ms' argument. So. I think your opinion is valid, ofc. But it isn't objective, it's just about your own personal taste. I would've listen to it with much more pleasure if it wasn't framed as if what you were saying was a fact.
Ehhh, not really. With his relationship with Fizz, it makes sense as he is established to be a bit of a hypocrite with his relationship. Though it does go the extra mile, it is a bit much by that point. Especially with the montage seen before.
None of the sins in this show are actually going to be evil apparently, I hope Viv controls herself and doesn't make them all relate to lower class demons at least
About that accusation of yours that Viv purposely put more dick jokes in this episode just to spite those who heavily criticized that one scene in Exes and Oohs... yeah no, that ain't true. And the proof for that lies in the Helluva 2022 trailer (that I assume you've never seen) where it shows scenes from BOTH Exes and Oohs and Oops in animatic form, so yeah, they already had these episodes planned out long before they were released. Watch the trailer if you don't believe it. And while I'm not an animation expert, I do at least know that writing, storyboarding, and animatics are done in early production, so there's also that. You seriously need to do your research before making such baseless and untrue accusations. As for this episode... It was actually pretty good! It was the first and only episode in season 2 so far that I actually enjoyed! And while I do agree with almost all your criticisms, it was still a good episode overall, despite all that. You know it honestly feels like you WANT to hate Viv and this episode... and please don't get me wrong, you're allowed to feel however you want about this episode, I hadn't been enjoying season 2 either, and I honestly agree with all your season 2 reviews, and I'll respect your opinions on this episode. And you certainly don't have to like Viv, I won't deny that her backlash towards genuine valid criticism has been very immature, but that doesn't give you the right to make such awful and untrue accusations about her with no basis either. Seriously though, your season 2 reviews are some of the many I consider to be the actual valid good faith criticisms, and they're very fair and well done, so your ridiculous accusation here and lack of understanding of how cartoon productions work was unfortunately VERY unsavory and a big misstep for you 😑 (And if you're not an animation expert like me, you could just look it up)
To start off I have never animated anything in my life so it's entirely possible that Im misunderstanding the animation process so correct me if I'm wrong. I did see that trailer and like all well written shows usually the entire season is planned out before the first episode has aired and like you said this episode was in early production before exes and oohs was even planned out. But the thing about animation is that the entire episode isn't animated all at once. There are several animators who work on these episodes and some finish the scenes they were assigned to animate earlier than others. For example it's entirely possible that this episode was 50% done being animated by the time exes and oohs was finished. That means the other 50% would have been animated after the backlash so Vivienne could have requested to have PP jokes put in. Also if you dig through her twitter enough I believe she did acknowledge the backlash at the dildo joke scene which means she knows that these kind of jokes irritate a number of the fanbase. This puts here in a lose-lose situation because if these scenes were already animated she could have learned from fan feedback and had plenty of time to have the animators cut out or re animate scenes like those from this episode or alternatively these scenes weren't animated yet and she approved of them all with the knowledge that it would upset a portion of the fanbase again which is kinda spiteful/inconsiderate and shows that she doesn't listen to fan feedback. I will emphasize though that at the end of the day it's her show and she has every right to do whatever she wants with it. It means a lot that you consider my reviews well made and made in good faith so thank you for that. I do try to be professional but the dildo joke in exes and oohs, followed by the statue joke in Western Energy, and now this is just too coincidental not to notice especially since we didn't have nearly as much visual PP jokes in season 1 and now it happens so often that it's become a talking point for reviewers. If I misunderstood anything please feel free to let me know. Thank you for being civil.
Well I am at least relieved that my comment did come off as civil, because I was honestly worried that maybe I came off as kind of mean, which wasn't my intention, I wanted to be fair for both sides so again, that's a relief 😅 And yeah, I'm aware that Viv has acknowledged the backlash for the dildo jokes, I wasn't trying to defend the constant use of the same jokes (I didn't find them funny either, except for the one where Ozzie punched the statue, I thought that one was actually pretty funny) I only meant that they were most likely already planned out beforehand. And I'm really happy to hear that my opinions on your Helluva Boss videos had a positive effect on you, cuz I really meant what I said about them being completely fair. Thank you for replying back and for also being civil, I hadn't actually expected to get a reply 😃
I never liked this episode either. The cuteness didnt save it. Just like making Hazbin Hotel funny isnt gonna save the series either. Oh well. I have to agree with you. The two series have so many issues. I just wanted a sexy Chanticlare from Rockadoodle. But nope. Never got it. Asmo was a missed opportunity as a sexy Chanticlare. He needs a beak and then he would look more attractive.
To be honest episode 6 wasn’t that bad but it’s not great surprisingly my favorite part of this episode was Blitz and Fizz being like brothers that was pretty heartwarming yeah that’s it the rest of it was pretty much dog water the jokes are still not funny and the writing is still poo poo anyways good episode but it could have been better🫤
Bro you say that this episode destroys Striker but barely explain why. All you said is that he's not as intimidating but I'd argue he's more in character here than in episode 4. He's still very much against the royals and calls out both Fizz and Blitzø for havimg their "fun time" with them. He's also a lot more serious in this episode and doesn't give off Chaz vibes like in episode 4. He's not perfect, he doesn't give off that confident vibe like how he did is Season 1 Episode 5, but it's still better than how he was handled in Episode 4 Edit: okay another issue about Striker is the fact that he falls for Fizz's song
@@isislemons303bruh all he literally says is that he's been losing and because of that he can't be taken seriously anymore and that the show should kill him off and says that he's a shell of his former self WITHOUT explaining WHY
A lot of people said that Striker's character got ruined during Western Energy, but I doubt it because I know he's still a threat and he shouldn't be messed with, heck he was extra intimidating in Oops especially when he says, "I'll break you like a horse." I don't know what he means by that, but my lord that can't be good. Also I'm not sure why Crimson and Striker got distracted by Fizz's song, but I know they are confused on what's going on. Plus they almost shot Blitz when he finished opening the window. Overall I still consider Striker a very threatening character despite his flaws at times.
Same. Striker was very terrrifying here. SWEET LORD DID YOU SEE HIS FACE OF MADNESS?! O_O! Also people forget that he's the only one who put the main cats in real danger: almost kill Moxxie (twice) and Blitz, almost Kill Stolas and let him blind, almost kill Millie with an axe, and here almos kill Fizz. Unpopular opinion: I think Striker is now a more interesting character/villian even more. I really want to know about his past and why he's in the way he is.
About the As mode is part, u have to keep in mind that not every character should be detailed, and this is ok. If every faces that we have seen in Helluva Boss had their very own detailed story explained then the show would go on forever. And about the jokes, i mean, most of them were with the king of lust himself 😅 So i wouldn't even bother complaining.
I feel like Stolas's role would have worked better if he had known Crimson had Blitz too so that then instead of him going along with Ozzie just because he was already there it becomes the two of them working together to get their men back. How I would change it is, instead of just showing Fizz tied up, Crim's message to Ozzie ended with him being thrown into the cage, with Blitz already tied up in there and have Stolas react to thatgiving him an actual reason to go with Ozzie to negotiate. Still have him read the contract anxiously and hurriedly rather than being excited that he has an excuse to read something, asking why there's nothing about blitz and how to get HIM back since the contract only talks about Fizz. I would also still have Blitz and Fizz talk about a distraction and maybe play a few seconds of Look At This before cutting away, to Ozzie and Stolas, develop both Ozzie and his and Stolas's friendship more, have them actually address what happened at Ozzie's and maybe even argue about it. And of course at the end give us a bit of Stoliz angst when Fizz shows up at the office after he and Blitz escape but Stolas is still worrying and looks around for him before asking Fizzie where he is. Fizz tells him that Blitz just went home. Maybe have Stolas think this means Blitz didn't want to see him or thinks he wouldn't care, when really Blitz has no idea Stolas was involved at all and so no reason to even consider wether he would be worried or not.
YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW WHY I DON'T LIKE THIS EPISODE 5 UNHAPPY CAMPERS IT'S SHOWING INCEST JOKES ON RUclips CHANNEL IT'S VERY WRONG AND DISGUSTED HELLUVA BOSS HAS GONE TOO FAR.
I’m pretty sure there are some tv shows that imply incest. Spy x Family comes to mind what with the weird thing with yuri going on. But I do agree that happy campers is probably the worst episode in the season, if not the series.
This guy is stuck in the timeline where s2 episodes are terrible all the time (which this one is ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!) So anyway yeah I don't agree with any bad thing he says about this episode but I can still understand where he's coming from
Dude you’re made about the humor that was set in the lust ring?! you fail to see the point of the jokes which makes you a hater in my eyes. Your insulting Viv but watching her show anyway it’s pretty sad if your gunna hate on a creator simply just don’t watch it.
@@callofthedragon6487 Because humor has lost its fun,at least for me and some other people, that's what happens when you use the same type of jokes excessively
I swear, sometimes I have a feeling the only videos about Helluva Boss I see are constant complains. Everytime new episode pop up I go and see it and I am more or less but happy with what I saw. And judging from likes to dislikes ratio most people thinks the same and yet 9/10 videos about Helluva Boss that I come across are about how this show/character/episode/etc are bad. C'mon... Stop this constant negativity, please.
OK. The episode was not a failure dude. Look you have every right to hate the past episodes and I will admit this episode had some flaws (Striker is barely a threat anymore) but the interactions with Blitz and Fizz were good and we got a bit more backstory to what caused their fallout. OK. Yes it would have been nice to see more build up to the reveal but the performance from Brandon made up for it. He poured his heart into that confession scene. All you talk about Are the negatives and rarely speak of the positives. This was the first genuinely good episode of S2 but you just want to nitpick and call it a failure because it did nkt reach your "standards " of storytelling.
Helluva Boss fans when opinions: 😡 (Also, before anyone hates on me for hating on "the greatest fandom of all time", I was apart of the Helluva Boss fandom. I like the show.)
Dude he didn’t know he pushed someone holding a cake which ended up lighting all the tents on fire. Also the card that Buckzo (Blitz’s father) gave Fizz literally said “Wish You Were My Son” of course Blitz is going to be upset and jealous. I’m starting to think you didn’t even watch the episode. Oh wait a minute you didn’t watch the episode you flat out admitted it to me.
@@hybridvenom9 He would kill them...Fizz used his magic to charm them..but that wasnt shown or explained in the show. Demons use magick. It was a missed opportunity..
and why is it crazy? not every lustful being is has to be about lack of consent. plus Ozzie already explained why he prefers consent during that speech.
@@avacadotoast5571 care to explain how those people can't consent to doing the deed when the last time we saw any of his succubi at work, they didn't appear to use any sort of mind control or magical manipulation. only mundane provocative actions
Ok, wait… so your whole reason for condemning the entire episode as “an unfullfilling failure” is because you don’t like Striker? Ouch, man. I mean, it’s valid to not like an episode if you feel it’s ruined your fave character, but it’s kinda lame to act like that makes the episode obviously lame for everyone. I personally like Striker more since ‘Western Energy’ than I did before (I didn’t like him at all before) and I would like to remind you he was not successful then either: he couldn’t even keep Moxxie down for long back then, let alone fullfill his contract with Stella and kill Stolas. All we’ve seen him successfully take down was a farm pig and we don’t even have any idea how hard that is, because we’ve only seen that he’s better at it than the city boy (Moxxie). All we really heard him do is talk and sing (and succeed in farm games against Moxxie, that Millie would’ve kicked his butt in if she’d been allowed to play). His whole purpose in the episode seemed to be to knock Moxxie down more pegs (a character who already gets the short straw from everyone but his own wife). Striker actually continuing to fail and being unhinged makes a lot of sense to me. The guys that need to constantly bully the little guy tend to be little guy themselves. All that is to say that I never took him seriously as a dangerous villain, but just as a guy who’s full of himself and will sing his own praises every chance he gets, because he NEEDS that adoration, but otherwise has little to offer. Note: again, you do not have to agree with me about Striker’s characterisation and I can understand why you don’t like it - I just don’t share your opinion. And I do think the episode was epic. I watched it again yesterday and was just like “Wow, this is so good!”. Again, you do NOT have to agree with me. And there are a lot of fans who agree with you about Striker and are upset about his current portrayal. EDIT: I didn’t watch the whole thing (I actually thought I had, but that was because of a long YT ad that kinda threw off my focus). - So, I’m going to go ahead and watch the rest of your vid, and may add new thoughts (and/or apologies) in a comment.
I have to keep in mind that, as of your making this vid, the episode ‘Mammon’s Magnificent Musical’ hadn’t been released yet, so try to not start complaining about your takes on Fizz and Ozzie. Ozzie is actually my fave character - and has been since ‘Oops’ - I do not consider him boring. He actually blew me out of the sky in that episode, with how wholesome he is and how healthy his take on lust and love are. My biggest concern was Fizz hiding stuff from him, and how he was trying so hard to keep their relationship a secret. That, of course, has been resolved with the Mammon episode. It’s concerning to me that you don’t find his support of /consent/ in regards to love and sex to be interesting, esp considering he’s the embodiment of the Sin of Lust. He could have been much worse. But he’s not, he’s got a healthy take on it, which was a big deal to me. That has made him stand out over nearly all the other characters in the show, with maybe the exception of Moxxie and Millie. - We def can’t say Blitz has a truly healthy take on sex and relationships. As for his whole thing in “Ozzie’s”, the whole reason he was upset was first of with Moxxie killing his vibe. He didn’t even bother with Stolas or Blitz /until/ Fizz went after Blitz and that was only after Blitz went to Moxxiee’s rescue. Furthermore, Ozzie pretty much forgot all about Stolas and Blitz, evenbefore they left. He had turned his attention fully back onto Moxxie and Millie. As bad as I felt for Moxxie and Millie, I feel Ozzie was right. It’s not a romantic restaurant, it’s a /sex club/. If you want into a sex club and tried to turn it into a romantic candlelit dinner with a soft seranade, you’d probably get thrown out too. Yes, he was mean to Stolas, doxxing and picking on him publicly like that for just being there - he hadn’t spoken up at all or tried to draw any attention to himself, he even looked worried when he realised Ozzie was actally there. But, again, Ozzie’s primary focus was actually on Moxxie and Millie and how they kept persistently trying to change the whole genre of his club. But I was that much more pleased when Blitz called him and Fizz out on it, calling them hypocrites. I was surprised Stolas didn’t say anything, but Stolas /was/ there to ask a favour. And I had to notice how chill Ozzie was about it when Stolas revealed having more than just lustful feelings for Blitz. The part that concerned Ozzie was that he thought Stolas intended to /force/ it. There was otherwise no mocking, no scolding, not even a scoff. And it was fun watching Stolas offer to read the contract for Ozzie, and then be excited about reading the long one. That he could genuinely - and sincerely - help Ozzie in such a trying time. I’d love to see them interacting with each other again. I loved Blitz in this episode. Loved how he really got to shine with his escape plan (even if Fizz could’ve just grabbed the remote for him), and with the escape. And I loved seeing him and Blitz clear things up and basically make up. I’m so glad that happened instead of the bitterness just continuing. And it was awesome how Blitz softened up when he realised Fizz was /in love/. Like literally straight up said he was happy for him, instead of using it to further mock and attack Fizz like he could have done. I really just loved this episode (and I loved the Mammon one - these two, which really feel like they are a 1&2 parter, are my currrent top fave episodes in the whole series). And, of course, like you mention, how he admitted he was wrong, how he showed real regret for what happened, including self-blame (even though he shouldn’t blame himself, but that was needed - he needed Fizz to forgive him before he could even consider forgiving himself). And Fizz was so awesome in it too! It surprised me how soft Fizz is in general. So very unlike his Looloo Land robot counterpart. I really like that Fizz is a great performer, but not a fighter. I’m glad Blitz got to be the rescuer and, in doing so, show Fizz he is amazing at something too - and that Fizz acknolwedged it. About Stolas… when has Vivzie ever done an after-credits scene? LOL! That’s a weird thing to suddenly expect. (Not counting the ‘Addict’ music video or the Hazbin Hotel pilot, I’m talking about /within the show in question/ - I could be wrong, I just can’t remember any.) And I’ve already given my opinions on the scenes with Stolas and Ozzie, so I won’t repeat that. About the phalic jokes: what did you expect in the Lust Ring with the Embodiment of Lust himself? Also, you forgot the rooster cuckoo clock (or I blinked - it’s lit a blink and you’ll miss it part to begin with… I think I only caught it the second time I watched the episode). Anyway, you can’t possibly have been surprised that he has a sex toy factory after knowing he has a sex club. I really don’t get people’s beef with the sex jokes. They’re funny af and /I’m ace/. As far as I’m concerned, this show could have literal porn scenes with the (adult) charas and I’d love it. It’d surely get rid of the prudes (or give them more fodder, and then I could point and laugh at how they’re watching porn anyway). I do not think Vivzie’s petty. I think people just like to think she is because it’s fun to try and rip on someone you’re jealous of. (Yes, that’s what all these rips are her say to me: “I’m jealous of her, but I don’t know how to deal with it in a constructive manner and I sure as hell am not going to admit it.”. Either way, it is not very mature.) You say that “most people grow out of it”… ohhhhh, boy, just wait. You’re going to be so surprised and how perve older people are. But, seriously, stop ripping on her. Like I said, it’s not mature of you either, no matter how valid you believe it to be. Perhaps it would be enlightening to tell you hat I am in my mid 40’s. I’m guessing you’re nowhere near that. I have a lot of life experience, have dealt with a lot of people of a lot of different ages (from babies to seniours), and it seems like you’ve got a ways to go and a lot of experience to gain. Don’t worry, you’ll get there. You’ll have that moment where you’re like “OMG, does mturity never happen ever??”; for me, it was a parent-teacher group thing; and then again with a group of seniours. Maturity is simply not something that comes with age. It’s something that has to be worked at. With Blitz/Fizz past and relationship: it was really clear just through Blitz how close he and Fizz were. Particularly when he was looking through his phone. The fact that he still KEPT those pics of Fizz instead of throwing them out showed they were once very close and that he still deeply cares about Fizz. You don’t have to see everything on-screen to understand. Anyway, what I’m getting from a lot of the critisisms of the show and Vivzie is starting to really tell me that her show is probably not as young adult-oriented as people seem to think it is. Now, I am not saying the show as a whole is perfect - I dare you to gve me a show that the whole world thinks is entirely perfect - but I absolutely love it and it’s become my fave (with only ‘Invader Zim’ to truly rival it; and IZ does absolutely rival it). There s just so much in the series that makes it incredible. There are, of course, episodes and characters I don’t like (like charas I really /don’t/ like, not charas I love to hate - in Helluva Boss, I do not like Stella and I would be very happy if we never saw her again and I’d be perfectly happy if she just disappears without a word or reason, she doesn’t need a bang or even a ‘goodbye’, I’d be fine if the writers just kinda forgot to writer her ever again… yeah, she’s the one I don’t like; but I love to hate Mammon and Crim and pretty much all the other antagonists, and definitely want to keep them), but that’s the case with literally every show I’ve ever seen (including IZ). Well, I don’t /always/ have a chara that I dislike as much as Stella, but there is one - two actually - of those in IZ (also an antagonist, though in a different way: Keef and Dwicky, for anyone who’s curious). Again, though… all of this is just my subjective opinion. You don’t have to agree.
If you think it's a fail then you don't understand what a slow burning story is The episode was pretty good and the season so far is pretty fine, it's given backstory to multiple characters which is needed Sounds like you're just disappointed for whatever reason
These rants always feel like a homeless person complaining that his free food wasn't at least a four star meal and he wasted his precious life by taking time to eat it. But you are right Viv is petty.
Even if free there should at least be an attempt at proper quality and consistency. If there isn't, then people have the right to complain about a poor product.
Without criticism the show will never improve. It's great that it's free but when there are so many glaring problems, it's hard not to be disappointed that the show is only a shadow of what it could be.
Just because the episode had slight issues doesn’t outright mean it was a failure. In my opinion, this was one of the better episodes with something good finally happening to Blitz’s life as well as getting more flashbacks that explain how Blitz and Fizz got their scars and why Fizz hated Blitz in the first place. I’m sorry but there is just no way that this episode was way worse than Seeing Stars. Oops was one of the best episodes of season 2 and possibly the best episode in the entire series so far. Of course your opinions of the episode are respected but that is just my thought on the matter.
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I feel really bad for Striker. He really went from a potential major villain to just a jobber that somehow anyone can defeat. Moxxie and Millie were able to defeat Striker despite them both losing to him in Harvest Moon Festival.
Season 1 Striker over season 2 Striker any day.
I honestly like Striker from Season 1 and Season 2. Besides Striker is a great villain in my opinion plus he's very threatening.
I could just say here's a better show underverse and murder drones they are on this platform i just do not understand why people call shows the greatest metal no they're not i mean everyone has their own opinions but i don't care i will say it's bad
@@avivastudios2311 Wow, really?
Underverse has a second season keeps continuity and it didn't fall off it is so underrated for this platform
It's funny cause people on Twitter keep saying that people hating on the show are just hating and to bring Vivzie down and hating with no real criticisms when there are tons of RUclips vids and comments full of legitimate, genuine critiques of the show. A lot of blind sheep on Twitter that thinks HH and Helluva Boss are a masterclass in perfection, writing, and characters. Smh
They're all meat riders and pretend the show's obvious flaws don't exist.
I sometimes see people leave comments like "I don't understand why people didn't like the latest episode". I think "Have you actually tried? Have you watched the videos and read the comments of the people who didn't like the episode and made an effort to understand where they're coming from?"
If you want to understand why people feel the way they do, it helps to actually _listen_ to them.
@@Corrector1Here’s the thing though she IS aware, Vivz stated it’s more EASIER to pick out the Negative ones that are subjective, than the other that are objectively valid with opinion/fact based criticism, coming off as being ignored & glossed over rather than seen then.
@@RetroFan2.0 I was talking about fans who make no effort to understand valid criticism. Vivziepop is also clearly someone who can't take criticism, so don't listen to her if she tries to make some distinction between good and bad criticism. It's all just excuses.
@@Corrector1 that’s because they’ll see it as an ATTACK on Vivzie’s as a whole, and therefore should be called out for having an opinion about it, if it’s not full of only just praise, like what happened in Cartoonshi’s case where he made a review, and soon after got bombarded with spiteful comments toward him by the majority of the fan mob, to where he’s not gonna be responding and critique to ANY of HB Media in future videos.
The worldbuilding definitely took a hit. IMP openly advertises their services, yet them leaving Hell through the book is a illegal. If using crystals is the only legal way to leave Hell, then why are there no consequences for IMP leaving?
You can say Stolas prevents this, but then…what’s the point of getting the book back (aside from character development)?
Something that bothers me is why hasn't Piamon gotten involved. According to the Ars Goetia he is supremely loyal to Lucifer. Why wouldn't he chastise his boy about giving away the tool that allows him to do his work?
IMP as a business barely does anything anymore, only one episode deals with an actual client and Millie does essentially everything herself.
Same, the Worldbuiding surrounding Hell isn’t as interesting here, to where it actually uses LESS of the Resources it’s based on, like structuring how ALL Demons are using their own influences onto Human Sinners on Earth, and taking Advantage of in Hell for Each Specific Sin Ring their thrown into.
It feels like Vivzie is Restricting a lot of what the show should’ve been in regard to being about Demon POV than Sinners in HH, but being more drama/character with the assassin jobs that carried the story along, which the OG premise was gonna be about.
It doesn’t feel like it’s taking the liberty where the show is set in and comes off as playing it too safe in some aspects, like with how the Jeffrey Dahmer joke in the Pilot was seen as out of poor taste joke to Viv.
@@tylere.8436 I really wish they'd actually explore the world they're in and do their jobs instead of high focus on the characters and their development. Its just bizzare that they choose not to.
The sinners who hire IMP have probably no idea about the book, so the only person of note who knows about, aside from IMP themselves is Stolas. Anyone else would probably assume they use the crystals as how likely is it that a couple of low-rank imp-lings gained access to a grimoire of an ars goetia, potentially THE grimoire (I don't know if there are more in the lore, but so far we only know of one in the show)
Stolas probably wants to get the book back so that his relationship with blitz doesn't have a transactional component to it anymore, trying to show blitz that he really cares for him. I don't think he was really concerned about the legality of lending the book.
Helluva boss has way too many characters that aren’t naturally developed and the writing has absolutely no focus nor consistency at all.
The character development is more than willing to contradict itself for the sake of milking a reaction out of an overly emotional fanbase.
Fair point
True but a lot are naturally developed and the writing does have focus and concistency but it can be inconcistent at times.
No not true, when did the character development ever contradict itself?
I like the idea of having a flashback to more clearly establish the connection between the two because we get a lot of tell, not show. And there's still so much left up in the air, like there's a reason why some people were under the impression that Fizz and Blitzo were brothers and it's because of the lack of information on them. Is Fizz an orphan? Does Cash Buckzo own him? Did Blitzo's mom partially raise Fizz too?
The start is what really bothered me.
Like... of all the people why was Blitz getting coffee in greed on this random day and time. It has no establishment but i could have seen striker nabbing Fizz and Stolas using the situation to get a crystal by convincing a reluctant Asmodeus that Blitz could save Fizz.
A lot of convinient stuff happens in this episode just to move the plot along
Uh? People can't go to get coffe even they want it?
@@NameHere2856Do you go to a different town for a coffe?
@beakwooda.k.aadregallus8788 i don't drink the stuff. But why can't Blitz go to a place taht ahs the stuff he likes? Each ring is a simple ride away, and it wouldn't take long either. I know that there's only one pizza place I will get pineapple pizza from because no one else gets it right. So what if it's in the next city over? I'm getting my correctly made pineapple pizza. I also go shoe shopping several cities over because I get better prices that way, and the mall that contains my preferred shoes has plenty of other cheap places to eat. It's a double win.
Got the best animation helluva mid i hate that i even had to do mid in there just because i had to i mean no i didn't but whatever
That “Goodbye Horses” fan animation is doing more emotional heavy lifting than the show itself. Pitiful.
Just saw that yesterday! Much more emotional than the canon portrayal.
nah cause when I saw the backstory I was just “🫢😃 oh!! “ BUT OH MY DAYS GOODBYE HORSES MADE ME SO EMOTIONAL ITS SO GOOD
Literally. It made me feel for the characters and want to know more... I wish I didn't honestly. So disappointing and badly written that it actually hurts my brain
For me this episode encapsulates the type of writer vivziepop is: one with creative worldbuilding and original ideas, but very rough execution. It had the potential to be a very emotionally compelling story (and in some ways it is), but there are so many rookie writing mistakes, which although not that bad individually, add up.
First off, it's never a good idea to set up the story in a way that key plot points happen by coincidence. In this episode it's done twice in a row, with blitz and fizz meeting by chance, and by sheer coincidence, crimson and striker are in the building right next to them. Very sloppy writing that doesn't feel clever at all.
The humor is honestly abysmal and not remotely funny at this point. I understand that 95% of the show's audience nowadays aren't actually adults, but I think vivziepop could've come up with something more creative than "LoL diLdoS aRe sO fUnNy". Sex jokes can be funny if done right and in moderation, but at this point they feel like an artificial sweetener that's been added to the utter excess with the purpose of giving flavor to an inherently bland product.
The blitz and fizz scenes are pretty cool, but I agree that fizz doesn't feel like a very interesting character by himself. There also just wasn't enough buildup for the payoff of them becoming friends to be as satisfying as it could've been. In my opinion it would've been far better to flesh out fizz and his relations with blitz, before delivering this payoff. In addition, the fact that they couldn't make things right sooner because of a simple miscommunication feels lame and unsatisfying.
There are some other more minor flaws like Asmodeus being stupid and uninteresting, Stolas just being there for no reason, but those didn't ruin the episode as much as what I already discussed.
That being said, it's is still miles better than most, if not all other season 2 episodes. It feels refreshing to have characters develop and go through actual arcs instead of just being fed filler episodes that ruin existing characters more than develop them.
Helluva boss is really a show that feels like it has so much promise and potential! But almost always fumbles with the execution… Like episode 7 is still this show at its PEAK! But man.. did they just fumble everything they were setting up 😭 And that’s helluva in a nutshell :/
Honestly I just think she needs to either step down as director or simply get a co-director. I've heard talk about her being bad at setting appropriate deadlines and can be found wanting in her availability and communication skills. I really think it just boils down to that. And for what it's worth, I think she's also learning a lot after having been thrown into the lions pit. While I don't like season 2 all that much, I think that it's a lot more consistent in many ways. The animation seems a lot cleaner with less errors overall. The voice actors are starting to get into the groove of their characters a little better. I think things are looking up for the show, but I think she also still needs a little bit of help to see it's true potential actualize.
@@thecrakp0t Unfortunately I would have to strongly disagree. Over the past seven years of being a fan of her content, The more public exposure Viv is getting, the more insane she seems to be getting. She's like Dream, in the sence of shes the type of person to heavily fixate on anything negatively said about her becuase she takes critiques as personal attacks, or tactical methods to dehumanise her. Only way to fix this Imo is to push her away from Social Media, or get her to hire a PR Team.
Aside from that, Her show is fantastic and I will always enjoy everything...except the writing, and her Twitter..
Episode 7 is going to be the last episode for season 2 and then will basically be no more posting until 2024 i'm going to forget the show ever assisted
@@hybridvenom9Episode 7 will be the mid season finale for season 2
In all fairness, two of those tweets you showed us of Viv's "pettiness" were actually her being understandably upset that Erica Lindbeck, Loona's voice actress and a friend of Viv's, was cruelly harassed and bullied off Twitter by a bunch of toxic losers simply because Erica politely asked someone to take down a video they made in which they used A.I. to replicate her voice so that a video game character she voices would sing a song they wanted her to sing, and it genuinely disturbed her. Anyone would be rightfully angry and calling out such awful behavior happening to their friends, Viv is no exception. And the Pinklie Winkurlton III thing was because someone kept harassing and spamming Viv for the name of the hellhound that was hitting on Loona in Queen Bee, and she finally got fed up and sarcastically gave the hellhound that name to get the person to leave her alone. While Viv HAS unfortunately been reacting very badly to genuinely respectful good faith criticisms made by people who do like Helluva Boss and only want it to get better, those examples you showed were NOT examples of that, and Viv's frustrations in those were actually pretty justified. (I can't remember what the third tweet was about though) You could have at least showed the actual tweets of Viv blasting actual valid criticisms to better prove your point. The examples you gave were seriously out of context. Come on dude I know you're better than giving out of context tweets...
Very dumb things to be pissed and to be petty about but okay.
I wasn't pissed about this just pointing out that these weren't good examples to show, as Viv had been dealing with actual toxic fans and people spreading false rumors about Erica Lindbeck, and that there were better examples to use that actually showed Viv's bad reactions and deflection to good faith criticism. Also, this is coming from the hypocrite who was clearly pissed enough to make a spiteful, unclever, and childish comment just for pointing this out, and that was an extremely dumb and petty thing to do, but ok.
@@priscillapineda3204 Not at you but at them. They shouldnt be pissed at all.
Oh, then I'm very sorry for misunderstanding, and sorry for my reply. That was my bad. I honestly don't think he was being malicious about it though. I just think he made a misstep and used the wrong tweets as examples.
Knowing the context for all of these tweets truly feels so bizarre cause of the situation sure it reads as petty but it's understandable
The major question - are there no grocery stores in Lust?????
As a 30 year old, penis jokes are not that funny.
Sir do you take Loona the hellhound as hot and gay ?
I wish the circus fire was its own episode instead of a small 15-20 second scene in this one. It felt like there was a ton of buildup for it and then it just gets a short scene.
Maybe S2 E1 “The Circus” should’ve been about… The circus
it also could've worked well as a cold open, maybe an episode that starts with the circus fire scene, and the rest of the episode is dedicated to developing blitzo or fizzarolli
I think this is the classic "I can do what I want and no fans can criticize me" with viv's actions rn, which if true, is truly awful to see.
Bro likes the WORST EPISODE in this season over the best 😭😭 I’m a big barbie fan, BUT OOPS?? OOPS IS THE BEST
@@hostii9157the bar for s2 isn’t that high though
@@meliable I mean Viv was probably gone a lot more from the writing room cause of Hazbin, but I still like this season especially after last episode. BUT THERE IS A CLEAR ANSWER ON WHICH ONE IS BETTER BETWEEN EP 5 AND EP 6.
It really is sad to see that viz won’t take criticism.. and it’s even more sad when she makes blatant lies like the most iconic “helluva is a show about da boys” when she knew that was bullshit 💀 and all you need to do is look at episode 8 to realize wait a minute? For a show about da boys it seems we’re spending and oddly amount of time with Loona 🤔🤔🤔
@@No_name8374 because loona is also a character in the show 💀🤚🤚 the shows about MLM relationships compared to hazbins WLW relationships, but both shows still have female and male characters in the main cast that get focus too, also the shows not even half way finished left there’s gonna be more scenes and eps with other characters💀
When the subtitles were more funnier than most of the actual jokes, that’s when you know something wrong.
I think we can all agree season 1 is better than season 2 so far
Yep! And man idk what went wrong with season 2 😭 it felt like the show was getting better only to get well.. at best it’s fine maybe good and at worst it’s the worst episodes of the entire show 💀
This episode solos all of season 1 easily ☠️
@@a1saiyan382 bros on something if he thinks this is better than harvest moon and Ozzie’s 💀
@@No_name8374 cuz it is☠️,it's easily better and it's not even close,writing and backstory was peak,development,blitz and fizz's dynamic,the serious and comedy moments were at point,pacing,execution we're perfect,and the song was the best of the show.don't you even say Ozzie has the best song cuz that shit is overrated asf☠️
It's not a debate at this ep solos every single episode with ease☠️
@@a1saiyan382 Oops song isn’t even a SONG what are you talking about!?
Fans are mad at you but you’re completely right lol, i think they view this episode as perfect because its the first one with genuine plot and character progression
Eh...watching the prior ones it really isn't the first one. We got that in episodes 2, 3, 5, etc. So nah he is wrong really.
No we fucking didn't, stop defending this show.
@@isislemons303 yes we did, no leave me alone already.
@@Jdudec367 Where? please tell me. Ironic, coming from the mf who stalks anyone who criticizes his precious show and starts arguments with them. Stfu
@jaydenc367 "no I won't stop defending the show" do I even need to say anything?
Everything happens by pure coincidence, the inconsistency of tone is still there only on a smaller scale, character development is accelerated and unnatural, is the best episode of the second season so far, but it means absolutely nothing because of how low the standards of this season are
You know what would make Asmodeus more interesting?
Make him not hate love, but not understanding. He seens to despise love because to him, it doesn't make sense and it's useless in his eyes. That way his relationship with Fizz (idk how to write his name) would be confusing and lack just as much as Blitz and Stolas relationship, giving Blitz and Fizz something to bond after many years. It would make their redemption more interesting because it would take away the one thing that is defining Fizz. Asmodeus
It would make his feelings towards love not be a farse but something he clearly don't get, and is experiencing for the first time.
And yeah, Vivizie is petty, I am not surprised she putted SO much d*cks jokes. Look, humor is subjective, and if she likes jokes that only 11 years old would enjoy, that is fine. I mean, Nick Kroll likes sh*t jokes, and they don't hit that well often
But you know what is the difference between Nick and Vivizie? Two creators that makes adult cartoons with immature jokes? One understand that his taste in jokes shouldn't dictates his story. One understands that sh*t jokes can be in like one segment of one episode, or 3 minutes of a 1h hour special, but let the serious and emotional moments have the spotlight
The others FILL UP 18 minutes of a 20 minutes cartoon with the same joke, I between serious moments, because heaven forbids anyone tell her there is something called TIMMING VIVIZIE, TAKE SOME WRITING LEASONS FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!
if you want an Asmodeus like that then go watch any other show with an embodiment of lust
@@Shalltear773Gobble up that shit, consumer.
You do realize Brandon Rodger’s writes the jokes
@Shalltear773 honey, I already have a good version of Asmodeous. I am just saying that, with a little more critical thinking and thought, this Asmoudeus would be more interesting. So is his relationship. Not to mention, it would help with the world building, instead of making it more confusing, since everything in this world seen more like a bunch of ideas that don't fit together
@@AbimaelLopez-hz3qq I do know that he wrote most of season 1, and now is Vivizie doing the main writing. I also know she writes most of the dick jokes because she admitted to it.
I also know the worse episode of HH was written by her, and that she does not understand timming
They pretty much made Frizzie a sugar baby. Like I get that they want to show LGBT representation. Character development shouldn't be pushed aside because of it as well too
Who tf is Frizzie? Is that an ice cream??? 🍨🍦🍧🧊
You clearly didn't pay attention to the episode. There was plenty of character development with Fizz, Blitz, Stolas and with Asmodeus. Also it clearly shows that Fizz and Asmodeus are head over heels for each other. Honestly they made it clear that their relationship was the worst kept secret in all of hell. I dunno how that makes Fizz a sugar baby (being the only one to have a completely and utterly healthy relationship, one the happens to beat M & M).
@@jadeshadowwolf717 You love junk food, Fizz Drinks, and now M&Ms?!
@@jadeshadowwolf717🤪🤡🤓👆
@melteddarkcholate
I actually disagree. It just seems like Frizzie and Ozzy are just a couple who happened to have a difference in their status. As they are suppose to represent a more healthier related than Blizt and Stolas.
Personally, i felt absolutely nothing watching the episode
It HAPPENED and that's the best compliment i can give it
I literally can't think of anything remarkable i can say about it
The constant sexual jokes didn't help
I relate to striker
@@AbimaelLopez-hz3qq cool, ig
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I fully expected Striker to die in this episode too, the scene where he holds a gun to Fizz just screams "Villain's Last Stand" scene where he aims to take someone the Hero cares about down with them put of spite. Only to get killed without taking anyone else with them.
Also Asmodeus' views on consent and distaste for love potions..Kiiiinda contradicts the idea he would sponsor Succubi like Verosika going to the Human World to have lust-influenced sex with Humans. We literally see her using her "Whorish Mating Call" to seduce multiple Humans at once so her crew can bang them under questionable consent...
There's a difference between demons travelling to Earth and doing their job, and Hellborn manipulating their peers at home. Humans and demons are entirely separate beings, so Asmodeus' views on consent where they're concerned won't be the same.
@@mothichorror446 Except the souls of Humans who engage in Demon sex will invariably become Sinners after death.
@@PlanetZoidstar yes, and...? That's their job.
@@mothichorror446 But it creates the whole inconsistency that Ozzie is pro-consent except when it comes to HIS Succubi. That would work if it was set up to be one of his hypocrisies, but the show hasn't addressed it at all.
It's Spring Break, there was definitely no question!😆
there is one change to this episode which would have made it better, and that is if Asmodeus signed a deal with Crimson. It would have made Crimson a credible threat, show how much Asmodeus cares for Fizz, and possibly give Crimson Asmodeus crystals which he could use to provide compatition to IMP and also make the lawyer scene less of a time waster
Quite a shock. After you liked Unhappy Campers I really expected you to love this one. Oh well, to each their own ig. I still loved it
The fact that he like that BS moxie character assassination episode more than Opps really speaks volumes about his taste in episodes
Just when I thought I finally understood his taste lol. Sometimes it feels like he flips a coin whether to speak positively about something or not
JK
No hate or whatever
@@zemox2534No fr💀💀 and i’m a huge barbie fan but like unhappy campers says all i need to know about you 😭😭😭🤚
funny because i HATED unhappy campers but i loved this episode
@@_peepee_ I really liked Unhappy Campers as well as him. That said, Oops is 10x better and I think it's the best S2 episode by far
Personally, in the spanish dub at least, the side story of stolas asmodeos and the lawyer was hilarious thanks to the fact the lawyer spoke funny, letting aside the stolas bird sounds and asmodeous faces
The voice actor really saved that one ngl
Also, i feel like despite the fact fizz didnt shine as much as blitz, he did get a well deserved screen time, the childhood flashback idea was rlly good ngl, but knowing viv this is prolly the best we will get until that one musical upcomimg
Also remember this is like a side story to hazbin hotel, its sad that much of its writting is sacrified because of it. but the truth is hazbin hotel is the main focus at the time being, its even going to be uploaded in amazon prime instead of RUclips so thats a huge step
Again, the episode was not perfect but considering helluva boss came out of nowhere since theres no a real studio that actually produces the series, its actually doing good enough
Struck the nail on the head again Vanity. Although the fact that I instantly recognised addict in the opening of this video made me question several life choices.
This episode has so many problems, starting with how underwhelming Blitz's apology is with little to no buildup of his and Fizz's rivalry. Striker is yet again reduced to Team Rocket level of intimidation, and after being told to don’t touch Fizz because he’s supposed to just watch him he just… vanishes, not doing his task. He also just stands there, falling for Fizz's distraction instead of shooting him in the head and calling it a day.
Crimson, for some reason, has the balls to make demands to Asmodeus, one of the deadly sins, a being inferior only to Lucifer. And it works and he's okay! Because for some reason Asmodeus, like a good boy, just sits in his office doing nothing instead of looking for Fizz. If Stolas was able to locate Blitz on earth, how someone much more powerful can be this useless? You will say "oh, they would kill Fizz if Ozzie showed up". Gtfo, he's a sin, he should be able to obliterate some puny imps with his presence alone. Asmodeus looks weaker than Alastor right now. They had a whole build up with Ozzie getting angry and did nothing with it.
Pathetic.
We could've seen one of the sins finally showing some of their powers but no, because Viv just had to have Blitz and Fizz make up in this episode.
It really would’ve been more interesting if the bullshit was treated like bullshit from the characters themselves. Like hell striker could’ve seen pass fizz bull and went for the shot and create a more interesting moment we’re blitz has to abandon blowing a whole in the roof to go save fizz. And I can just go on about how many more interesting routes they could’ve took in this episode but what’s even the point 😔
Vivz is so busy trying to make the sins cool and relatable that they act more like the high-school popular group then actual powerfull demons.
@@start1012 That's the most accurate description of deadly sins I've ever seen.
Eh...it was not a bad apology and it had some buildup. Not at all, he actually does shit, he doesn't completely vanish he is there in the shadows, doing his task watching over Fizz. Is that a bad thing? Fizz was no threat to him, why not see where it goes before he kills him?
Crimson is a bold and scary person himself, he knew what Asmodeus is like. He does try looking for Fizz but he can't find him. He isn't useless, but he's a expert on lust not stuff like seeing through the very cosmos like Stolas is. They could still kill him though. Not at all. What was that a build up for? It was to show how he would obviously react. They did it's purpose.
It isn't pathetic.
Now it sounds less like actual bad writing and more so you didn't personally get what you want.
@@Jdudec367 You literally fill the gaps Viv left. Nothing you wrote was confirmed in the episode itself. That's bad writing and it's not the first time viewers need to do that because Viv can't write.
We don't see any build up to the apology, we literally saw adult Fizz and Blitz interact for the second time in the series, and the first time Fizz humiliates him in the club.
Striker doesn't watch from the shadow unless we see him there. And we don't, he just re-appears out of nowhere after Fizz and Blitz are already out.
Asmodeus didn't look for Fizz, we don't see it, we see him sit in his office. And just because he isn't responsible for cosmos and stars like Stolas doesn't change the fact he's a sin, he should be able to find one Imp if he wished too.
Crimson, scary? Dude got played by Chaz, and any intimidating scenes Crimson had were immediately ruined by a dick jokes.
I'm fine that the plot don't go my way if it makes sense. This episode doesn't. It has good moments and characters with potential and that's it, but it's all waisted because of mediocre writers.
8:48 yeah, that‘s because she simply can‘t stand having her show be serious for more than 3 consecutive seconds. Even this episode had to undercut the serious tone with another cheap and quick action/comedy bit every time the character‘s got genuine. It‘s the same tone problem that has plagued this show for the better of a year now, and just because it‘s self conscious about it doesn‘t make it any better. The only episodes that aren’t ruined by Bathos (the method of having a joke immediately follow up a serious scene) I can remember are season 1 episode 2 and 7.
And it’s silly that viz can’t look at those episodes and realize that the reason why there regarded as this series PEAK is because they allowed those emotional moments to BE emotionally moments!!! But nah got be self aware or make some dumb joke after a serious scene because f@ck you I think it’s FUNNY!
I don't really see how being action heavy is a problem. It's one of the main appeals of the old "Looney Toons" cartoons. The skits were usually about A vs. B: Tweety vs. Sylvester, Bugs vs. Elmer, Sam or Daffy, etc.
@@ThePrincessCH Yeah, it worked there because it was Looney Tunes. HB constantly switches between wanting to be taken seriously and making fun of itself/shocking the audience with violence or sex jokes every three seconds, and that's not a "unique style", that's tone issues.
The endings of “The Circus” and “Western Energy” say hi
@@thesmallscout9810 glimpses of hope in a dark dumpster. Western Energy was the biggest waste of potential and overall disappointment we have seen thus far and the fact that the resolution to "Ozzie's" peak drama was a chat that happened off screen and which you would miss if you didn't pause the episode feels like a sick joke. Also also, don't even mention Blitz's "he can get hurt?" line... That was the worst bit of screen writing Viv has ever come up with. Blitz was right fcking there when Striker almost assassinated Stolas and actively saved him, so how in the actual fck is he surprised when the same guy manages to hurt Stolas later on in the series?
I hate that you're right. Except that the B plot had nothing for the plot. It's about Stolas trying to find a way he can let Blitz go and never contact him again. So Stolas is somewhat ready to get over this toxic relationship and wants to move on. And other than that, there's the fact the we saw him and Asmodeus interact, that was still great, even if it doesn't add much. You can't change my mind about that, seeing Asmodeus and Stolas together makes me happy, period.
He's not a 100% right tho. This eps is not a failure for a majority of fans
So I haven't watched the latest episode, but I know I'm gonna like it. I just wanted to say keep up the good work Van (Mind if I call you Van?) I know a lot of the fandom has been described as rabies-infected dogs when we hear people talk trash about the show, but this stuff helps me to become a better writer, even though I don't mind the problems in Helluva (long story) I can see them, and they do annoy me sometimes and watching people talk about how they can be fixed or problems with certain aspects, have given me a lot of advice that couldn't have happened without your help and others talking about the show. So, thanks for helping a dreaming writer out my man.
Anyway, will I see ya same time next week, probably talking about another Helluva failure from the show- Sorry I had to make that joke.
Please keep doing this. Believe it or not critic that is constructive and pointing out the problems really helps for beginner writers like me be more intentional in their writing. I love seeing analysis videos of movies and shows. It’s helpful.
As someone who loves Helluva Boss, I agree! It’s nice to hear criticism of a show I like because it helps me to understand that I shouldn’t just blindly follow what other people write, even if I really like it.
I respectfully disagree about Asmodeus. I think his character is fairly well established for the time being. He's a mirror to Stolas. He's the reasonable energy bouncing off of Fizz's chaotic gremlin energy.
We know that he is a chill guy who has a temper but isn't vengeful. He could've easily killed Millie for hurting Fizz but he didn't. He was happy to greet Stolas and pull his chair out even while saying Stolas crashed his club. He can be rash. He's protective and supportive. He can be a sassy show-off. He's a hypocrite when it comes to love because he has to keep an image for his Brand. It's like if Disney started releasing R-rated content. People would be furious. Ozzie isn't complex. But I do feel like I know his character.
How would you rebuild Striker? could Striker be rebuilt or is he too far gone to be saved?.
Striker Season 1 seems like an entirely different character then Striker from season 2.
Like a dopplganger replaced our favorite cowboy. leaving said cowboy in the Hideaway Hotel for some odd years.
This entire season has been of a bit of a rough watch for me as well. I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing the inconsitancies of the show.
I get that Stolas wouldnt be made a Love Potion but why is everyone else forbidden to be made one by Ozzie? And finding out that Fizz and Ozzie are legit wholesome and healthy ruins the entire purpose of Ozzie as a Sin and I was hoping Bee is the outlier but at this point, I know Mammon is the next Sin who's gonna be this wholesome ruler with morals especially treatment to his civilians in Greed and the Sneak Peak just sells everything, Idc about the reveal of him or the other Sins anymore. This version of Hell is not this secretly sinister place which the Hazbin Hotel Pilot says otherwise with Pride and Idc for any future episodes until this improves and the show doesnt feel like a quality adult show, everything after Episode 3 of S2's release but moreso Episode 7 of S1's release just feels like it is for teens now, bad and underwhelming.
Charlie: Demons need redemption!
And then there's the representation of lust not making love potions to force people to fall in love with others and gluttony just being a cool party girl
@@ronaldmacjokerfeliz2669 Charlie never said demons, she said sinners, sinners are people who end up in hell due to their life choices and actions back when they were living, like how we saw in episodes 2 and 3 of Helluva, and the pilot of Hazbin, Demons can be classified as hellborn or sinners, and some hellborn demons, such as Crimson, Stella, Striker, and Verosika(at least what we’ve seen from her so far) for example, are bad demons. Also, Bee and Ozzie aren’t demons, they’re Sins, they represent the 7 Deadly Sins, and they’re only 2 of the 7, who knows what Mammon and the other 4 are like
@@Ghost_Toast_Crumbz Aren't sinners basically a type of demon in this "hellluvaverse"? Furthermore, if I'm not mistaken, sinners ended up there because of "sins"
@@Ghost_Toast_Crumbz But let me guess the deadly sins of "hellluvaverse" have no bearing on the sins humans commit?
@@ronaldmacjokerfeliz2669 the deadly sins just represent said sin, they don’t control how someone uses the sin, and again, we’ve only seen 2 of the 7, it might be different for the others, and also yeah, I said demons could be classified as hellborn or sinners, but Charlie said sinners, not demons. Hellborn demons would have no way of getting into heaven(unless they were royalty like Charlie), just like how Heaven-born angels probably wouldn’t be able to get into hell(most likely unless they’re exterminators), however, Sinners could potentially go through the gate to heaven, seeing as they’re not from either of the two places, they’re from earth, and their actions determine where they end up when they die
I realize with each passing day that the fandom of vizipop's works are either 11 year old children or people who think they suffer as much as the character in the work
So it doesn't matter if the characters aren't developed, that the plot is bad, that the story doesn't go anywhere, that the jokes are embarrassing and unfunny: the fandom will continue to support
Because the fandom want the characters to stagnate and not develop because of characters will change, omg that means they can change. We can’t have that!
That validation makes the fandom very defensive of any real writing advice.
oh no, a group of devoted fans will support a queer indie creator who creates characters they relate to
I absolutely hated the apology. Blitzo’s apology to Fizz was the worst thing in that episode right next to the whole B plot.
What? But he seemed sincere about it and he said it while in tears.
Honestly, it isn't that bad. I found it to be one of the most enjoyable outside of the morning routine. It's just that the pacing made it really quick. Other than that, the writing by itself was actually really good for me.
@@VenIGuess How is the pacing made pretty quick?
@rainbowtoyfunrandomess1982 It's literally only 90 seconds, dude. They only ever have shown to interact once, which was at Ozzies. Do you realize how underwhelming that is?
@@VenIGuess Not really. I was too focused on the whole episode.
Ngl, i can see and agree with some of the things in this video. Especially when we really dive into the development of certain characters. Though i will say this though, not only was this episode very enjoyable, but this episode was 10x better than Unhappy Campers.
Seriously, while the stuff with Striker's character development was pretty bad, I rather watch that than the man-child Moxxie was in Unhappy Campers. The thing is about that episode was they don't even try to hide the fact job could've been done within a few minutes. Oh but no, we have to go with Moxxie's plan and watch him act salty when Millie has all the attention of the camp counselors even though he was acting like an entitled narcissist.
Not it being my faveroute episode 💀
This just now occurred to me, but why is the only gay representation in the show with dudes? I think the closest we’ve gotten to wlw is Apple and Coco (two of Verosika’s crew members) from spring broken, but I could’ve missed something.
Idk it just seems odd to me that a series with such a vast variety of LBGTQ rep would flood the show with one type of homosexual relationship but almost completely miss the other
Because of the showers gay i have better ideas i watch regular show and i have like great points to actually say it's a good show
Further proof that Viv favors the dudes over the dudettes.
That's not future proof i already know there is like a show canceled that is made by the same person that made regular show i already know about it so don't even tell me
I thought Viv said something about Helluva Boss being mostly male focused since Hazbin is supposed to have a female lead in a lesbian relationship with Charlie and Vaggie
From what I know the reason we didn't get a flashback of fizz and blitzø together is because the upcoming episode will the grand mid season finale before we'll have to start waiting 3-4 months for one episode and from the 2022 trailer we will be getting many flashbacks alone side Mammons reveal
This was the best episode by far. Best fanfare character wise best song great character development for blitzo and the start of an arc of him apologising and righting his past relationship failures. Absolutely adore this episode 10/10
Lies. Viv said that she ran out of funds..
@@Featheryfaith7 no lies☠️,this episode was perfect and the best of the whole show easily
I wouldn't give this a 10/10, but I do think that this is pretty good, on it's own. In a continuity perspective, no, its quite bad actually.
@@ThatguyUkn0wfr0mS0mewhere how is it bad continuiety wise?
@@Jdudec367 first of all, damn u everywhere aren't u? Second of all, I didn't word this the best way and it probably sounded way better in my head six months ago. But what I was actually referring to was its placement in the season. This season changes widely in tone and doesn't really feel like it has a set identity anymore, and this episode is one such example. Like I said before, this episode works well on its own but falters when placed with the rest of the season. The season where the rising tensions between the main characters has been both hyped up and crushed because of the events of previous episodes. So is it really the best time to be setting up an entirely different plot focusing on an entirely different character this late in the season? This felt like an episode that needed to happen in like the end of season one or at the beginning of season 3. Fizz's whole arc, while decently written on paper, adds very little to the overarching plot of the season, Blitz and Stolas. This episode, the episode right afterwards, and his little moment in Full Moon could be cut and/or moved to the next season and not much would change.
Then there's the Asmodean crystal subplot, what exactly do we do about that you say? Well make it an entirely different episode so Viv wouldn't have to explain everything else in Just Look My Way.
Not surprised on what you thought about the episode, as you kinda clickbait and when the audience loves the ep you hate it, but i do wanna say my favorite parts anyway, i think the animation in this as its a lot less animatic-y so thats good
honestly wouldnt watch helluva boss if it was a sit-come just revolving around the i.m.p buisness. i like that theyre exploring the actual universe and characters.. remember were at the beginning of the show whitlist 2 more seasons to go (14epseach). i feel that its great werre touching on other characters backstories and relationships for buildups. these were the best episodes so far of the entire show. i feel like alot of people expect helluva boss to just be revolved around millie, moxxie, blitzo, stellaa and the i.m.p buisness as a sitcom which just seems lame. i appreciate what theyre doing.
Oh my god I fucking called it.
somehow he likes episode 5 which
what I heard wasn’t really that well received, yet he somehow hates this episode which is just…no. This is stupid.
By no means this episode is a masterpiece, like all good episodes have flaws in them that can rub you the wrong way and that is fine. but to say this episode is a “failure” compared to the other episodes in this season? yeah that is just horseshit.
Well to be fair, episode 5 told a story that more closely resembled what HB was originally about, smth that he openly said he liked. But this episode tried to be ambitious, but bit of more than it could chew. It isn't a bias or anything, we all have our own reason for liking things like for one, I loved the Circus episode because that stuff ran smoother and felt like an episode in HB with natural drama than most of the episodes of the season. He loves Unhappy Campers because it felt like HB, the one that most ppl signed up for anyways, and told a natural and entertaining story while being able to stand as it's own episode. What u could at least give him is that he at least gives a good reason as to why he feels why he does, unlike the ppl who randomly say that Western Energy is "peak" or some shit like that.
Dang, people can't like or dislike episodes of shows now just because some people like or dislike it? Dang
@@ThatguyUkn0wfr0mS0mewhere Well I disagree, I like both episodes but I would say this one worked better really and worked well, it didn't really bite off more then it could chew. I feel like most of them have natural drama really. You don't think those people have reasons either? I feel like that is you being biased then cuz you don't like western energy, again it has importance and we actually see Striker seem dangerous and very skilled.
@@Jdudec367 ok sry for before my opinion on Western Energy has changed a lot since it initially came out (u weren't wrong about the bias). Ive learnt to enjoy it as more of a fun one of episode rather than smth actually serious (which is smth I do still stand with for most of the Western Energy). I respect your opinion and I definitely think the episode is miles from bad, just that it had some weirdly written moments throughout (I'm talking about Oops btw). Though I still can't get over Strikers treatment in both episodes. Also while I do like Unhappy Campers, I'm starting to see why ppl really didn't like that episode.
Edit: Holy crap man u were the guy who just replied to me on another comment, talk about insanity and pure resilience. Yeah refer to my longer reply for a more detailed response pls.
@@ThatguyUkn0wfr0mS0mewhere Well ok then I get all of that.
I get it lol, I saw your first reply too.
I’m sorry but I disagree with this take. I feel as though that this was one of the better episodes of the season and possibly the best episode of the series so far. Us seeing something finally godo happening to Blitz as well as us getting more inside info as to how Blitz got his scar and why one of his past relationships despised him is such a breath of fresh air. As well as that, you only go into detail about the negative aspects of the episode and not even going into the positives bc this episode had a lot of positive aspects that made this episode really good. Of course you are entitled to your opinion and your opinion shall be respected, but this episode is definitely not a failure at all whatsoever.
"This show has had such an abysmal fall from grace since the start of season 2 that an episode giving minor character backstory is considered the best in the show"
Thats what Vanity said about Happy Campers. Feel like this comment is proof.
The show fell from the start. Crashed and burned to the ground. Yet viv tries to keep it alive Even tho it's no use. Since she's the one who incompetently killed it. Hell even episode 1 (Problably the only good episode of the show which says alot) has aged horribly. And I mean it when I say it. It's sad and I was always hoping for her to do something the flaws of the show. Which she never did.
She instead kept firing hundreds of rounds into her own foot instead. Season 1 is dogshit because it can't stand on it's own legs. Due to Incompetent Structuring, Worldbuilding, No connection to each episode whatsoever and Introducing too many antagonists. Which had ALOT of great great potential. As in they should have appeared in every episode. They would have been loved n memorable. But no. Instead Viv throws them in a dumpster filled with gasoline and diesel. And then chucks a fire match into it to watch them all burn. Who even remembers the cherubs? Who remembers Blitzos ex?
It's a mess and especially the final episode of it. It was just meaningless bare to the bone filler. Which did absolutely nothing in solving the falling out between Blitz and Stolas. Then theres the terrible character development or lack there of. It's so damn confusing. And then theres season 2 which is just season 1 but turned to the extreme from dogshit To dogshit with radioactive acid. It's just a sad sight to be seen. She did absolutely nothing to improve anything for the most of it.
She tried to atleast fix the mess. She caused in unhappy campers. With the teleporter thingies which made the book pretty much useless from the start. Given the fact that it's a really important item. But at the same time she shot herself in the foot again. Because it was a shitty explanation. Then theres the conflict between Blitz and Fizz that was just solved in a couple of minutes. Why didn't it even happen like idk Many years earlier? Idk what to even say. Hell even she admitted to saying that there weren't any plans for a second season in the first place. Which explains why it became so much worse than it was before. Im suprised anyone didn't come up to her and say that: Hey! This is terrible, we should improve it! Anyway yall have a good day.
I hope Lackadaisy atleast doesn't repeat vivs mistakes.
Horrible take
Lmao all those words to say such stupid, utter bullshit.
This is the worst take I've read all week.
Something I don't see anyone talk about but bothered me is how much of a bitch Ozzie is in this episode. An imp kidnaps and threatens his partner, and one of the seven deadly sins plays by his rules? Then gets pushed around by some sweaty shark lawyer? When Ozzie says "if they talk I'll break them" at the end, my first thought was "lmao no you won't".
What are you saying? Ozzie is desperate enough to get Fizz back. Besides he didn't want anyone to find out about his relationship with Fizz because of you know, being a hypocrite. But in Season 2 Episode 7, towards the end of the episode while he was confronting Mammon, he did admit he loves Fizz even though Mammon is going to blackmail Ozzie.
I know complicated thinking is too much so I'll explain something very, very basic here. what the fuck was Ozzie supposed to do? he didn't know where Crimson was holding Fizz. did you want him to just go on a blind rampage and risk Crimson just ending Fizz because of Ozzie literally doing the stupidest thing he could've done? I'm sorry but not every character is omniscient and shit
Unfulfilling failure?! No way! This episode was amazing, I mean I love everything about it! Ozzie and Fizzarolli's relationship, seeing Striker and Crimson again, Blitz and Fizzarolli working together to escape and reconcile in the end, and we even get to see Stolas fully recovered ever since Western Energy! Not only that, but the song, Look at This is a banger! Overall I freaking love this episode so much and it's becoming one of my favorite episodes!🤩👍
I dislike this episode. But it was better than the others ones in season 2. I can tell Viv is running out of funds. And she needs to save them for herself instread of giving it away to Lackadaisy. Just saying.
Helluva Boss stan
@@Featheryfaith7 Is there a reason why you dislike this episode?
@@rainbowtoyfunrandomess1982 Its not adult enough. Its not adult at all..
@@Featheryfaith7How do you tell how much money went into the project?
Remember when the show was about imps killing for sinner cash?
Me too. It happen like 2-3 times. In TWO seasons
Actually it’s 4
@@callofthedragon6487 Including the non-canon pilot?
@@TaliEpshtein No I was referring to Spring Broken
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After I've watched the episode I've had so many questions:
If Blitzo and Fizzaroli never met after the accident why were they acting the way they did?
Why was Blitzo saying in "Queen Bee" that "Fizz's was right, he's gonna die alone"?
Why did Blitzo tried to fight him?
They haven't talked to eachother for fifteen years, they shouldn't behave like they hate eachother, especially Blitzo.
I think Fizzaroli should be angry, while Blitzo should feel extremely embarassed, and would try to explain to him what actually happened (even though i assume Fizz' wouldn't listen to what he has to say).
Then: why did Asmodeus decided to blackmail his employees to not talk about him having a relationship in the end of the episode?
He could've done that when he started to date Fizzaroli, it wouldn't have changed the story much...
But Asmodeus would seem less dumb!
Also having him saying "lust is not a matter of force" says a lot about the researches VivziePop has done about Asmodeus.
In his lore he killed 7 people because a girl did not wanted to sleep with him (it's in the Old Testiment). Knowing that makes this sentence hypocritcal at best (which might suit him, this episode show us he's a hypocrite) and stupid at worse!
Why did he ended up in Hell if he didn't comlited those crimes?
Then: wasn't Crimson broke?
How could he pay an assassin to get Blitzo killed?
Doesn't he have a ton of other guys who could've done it to his place?
I mean, he's a mafia boss...
But damn, what a shitty mafia boss : WHEN did he though it was a good idea to mess with a PRINCE?
Ozzie's litterally runing an entire circle and has magical powers!
Plus, in theory, no one is supposed to know Fizz' and him are dating...
So why to use him a hostage in the first place?
It was like he kidnapped one of his employees and hoping he could get money out of it...
Crimson really IS a shitty mafia boss!
And that's a problem, because I can't take him seriously as an antagonist (that dildo joke in the third episode not helping).
Then: that song... None of Crimson's guys though to shoot Fizz' while he was singing? Really?
Then: Where did Blitzo went after saving Fizz'?
Did Fizzaroli came back to the lust ring alone? (I hope Blitzo drove him back to Lust)
Then: having Fizz' saying he now dislikes to go outside feels kind of... toxic?
I mean, when the episode starts we learn that Fizzaroli doesn't go out very often, to not say "never", and when he decides to get out (in the circle where "the accident" happened) he stambles into the guy who destroyed his life and gets kidnapped.
Having him saying that he "hates going outside" feels like he's now traumatized, I don't think it should be a good thing to make him say this like it was a positive conclusion to what happened...
Plus, making him say that it gave him new kinks... I don't know... I feels weird...
I'm not really looking for answers to these questions...
I only wanted to talk about these incoherences which made this episode less enjoyable...
The writters really need to step up their game, because if they don't the people who watch the show are going to get bored and just stop watching it...
Also: having Stolas be like "I lOVe WoRDs" was so CRINGE!
HB is definitely one of those things where the more you think about it, the less *EVERYTHING* makes sense. This show *desperately* needs better writers who actually know what they're doing and can actually keep things consistent. But let's be real, expecting Viv to actually learn from any of this is like expecting a Live-action Disney remake to actually be good. It ain't happening.
HB is a show with cool ideas, but zero care on if it makes sense
@@lunaitor-uq9hz Exactly
Well I absolutely agree that Striker became pathetic af and it would be better for him to be killed at this episode to stop his downfall and I agree that Asmodeus is more of an accessory to Fizz than an interesting character. But you have already found the reasons of all the issues and it's Vivienne's poor writing. She's so childish. And look she's still practicing. Helluva boss is more of an experiment. Guess she's still learning some things while working on the show. So your essay is pretty profound but I think maybe Viv still could make it better. Let's just watch futher. ❤
this is a shocker because i thought this ep was really good
and i really dont like this season but this and exes and ooes are the only 2 good episodes
Agreed, I'd consider it one of the better episodes. The actual main action of the two trying to escape was kinda meh but somehow the rest ended up rather funny, witch we haven't seen in a long while (anyone remember how this gay fanfic was initially intended to be a comedy?)
What about Western Energy? That one is cool!
Pretty, much exes and os and seeing stars was the only good episode for me
you think it's good because for the standard of season 2 it is, but it doesn't mean it's a good episode overall..
@@rainbowtoyfunrandomess1982Imo it's bad.
What?! I literally rewatch this episode often as I find the ending pay off so satisfying to watch.. it’s like a perfect Meet Cute - nothing grandiose but an intimate story of two characters I loved (Blitzo & Fizz.) I agree there was little build up to this all backstory wise. But it works and I think is highly satisfying to watch every time. I am a character shipping maniac though which I think Viv sees as her perfect target audience. LOL, I find it interesting to hear other’s thoughts on this. Also Striker was cool in this - he gives me Slade/ Deathstroke vibes from Teen Titans lmao.
I can understand where u r coming from, I also find some unironic enjoyment from this show in its current state. But u gotta understand that this show isn't supposed to be that. It's supposed to be an 'adult' show that uses it's age rating to explore its characters while telling a story that could only be told in the realms of its world.
You want Helluva Boss to have more comedical moments and less boring parts, you want Murder Drones to have less comedical moments and more boring parts.
So to you no comedy equals boring scenes?
Nah, not really?@@mildlyobesegoat7262
@@mildlyobesegoat7262I think he just didn't know what to call those parts, so he just called them boring.
Murder drones has absolutely nothing to do with this though
But what does murder drones have to do with helluva boss???
ya , this ep at fist view is a step up... then 2 step back when jsut think for a second
I like the show at start ,but now is jsut liek any other so call adult show
The "Goodbye horses" fan animation of this episode is so insely well written and well animated that I genuinely think the show doesn't deserve it. It's too good for lukewarm garbage like this show
Wow this comment section just proves how toxic the fandom can be ...
Fr. Like, some of the fandom always harrass people who don't have the same opinion as them
Honestly I haven’t had a problem with any of the season 2 episodes
Same. The most I’ve had is feeling like Seeing Stars and Western Energy are kind of forgettable. Like, I don’t really think about them that much. But other than that I really don’t feel like S2 has affected my enjoyment of the show too much.
The type of people that like this shows humor liked the comedy of Kaguya sama, which is also unfunny as hell
Walking on egg shells here
@@kef1308 boi I will stomop on dem eggshells bruh
@@Nito44 bold. I respect that
I can KINDA understand where Ozzy is coming from when he claims he doesn’t like “Nonconsentual Sex” since R@pe isn’t simply just “Lust” but it’s Lust mixed in with different sins… More specifically R@pe is a combination of three different sins, Lust, Envy and Wrath; Lust because someone desires the pleasure of sex, envy because they want someone else’s body and wrath because they are willing to use force to get it.
The sad thing is that I understand what vivzy wants to do. draw a clear line that differentiates hellborns and sinners. I mean, seeing what Lucifer is like. It would make sense that The Deadly Sins are decent people, since they were once angels. And if I wrote them as complete monsters, why make their own show, you better go read the Bible.
But things like social classes, politics and hierarchy are things that don't change overnight. The first episodes it was scandalous that Stolas had a relationship with an imp. Only for them to come out with the fact that almost all sins are doing the same thing. Also what I said about capital sins being angels before. She never made that clear, she simply filled in the gaps.
The sins are all pretty flat. That's aged immortality for you tho. Zeus doesnt have much going for him either. Makes the little guys with their brief spark more interesting by comparison. They're probably more intersting than we see btw - Vivzie has a really bad habit of posting lore around the internet instead of actually putting it into animations.
Btw, the buttload of random dildos IS hilarious. I'm 37.
Are you serious right now? This episode out more in depth of Fizz's and Blitz's background and story. It also showed that Crimson and Striker(of course) are gonna be constant antagonists for certain characters to deal with. It also shows that Stolas is becoming more aware of the fact that his relationship with Blitz is far from what he wants it to be, while from Blitz's perspective he can't trust that Stolas actually likes him because one he's a prince, and two because of (if you payed attention to the flashback you'd notice this nice lil detail) what happened when he trued to muster the nerve to confess to Fizz. Blitz's confession when he apologized to Fizz also confirmed that he has a very low opinion of himself that alao opens more on his character. And before anyone starts on the jokes, the whole Dicks on the wall thing wasn't in Exes and Oos was not a joking matter. Crimson was full on mocking Moxxie for being LGBTQ in the first place, he literally said "I made the place more to your kind's liking." And there isn't just sex jokes here, there's dark humor, light humor, funny song numbers and sarcastic comebacks. It's all adult humor this isn't a show for minors. And lastly, Fizz and Asmodeus' relationship is beautiful, they are officially my favorite couple in this series.
It doesn't sound like you watched the whole video. He addressed your point about blitz and fizz making up. The scene was good, but could've been better if there was more buildup and a bigger conflict between the 2 was established. The way it stands right now, the conflict is resolved in the same episode that 90% of it is introduced, making the payoff feel premature and unsatisfying.
@gdartho you wrote “making out” instead of “making up” and I was thoroughly confused before I figured out the typo lmao
I LIKE EPISODE 6 OOPS WAYS BETTER THAN EPISODE 5 UNHAPPY CAMPERS IT'S WAS AWFUL AND TERRIBLE.
unhappy campers did not deserve the amount of time and money that an episode of an animated tv series costs. That Money could have fed starving children
i’m always so intrigued by your reviews, it opens my eyes a lot on the episode 😊
Nah it’s was a pretty good episode I feel like everyone is being a bit too hard on season 2 when it’s not that bad just mediocre.
Yeah I agree
Honestly having striker slowly devolve wouldn't be a problem but...its now slow. As soon as the very second episode he is in comes out he's become a cartoonishly confident asshat who can't take a joke which makes it incredibly hard to take seriously.
What they probably should have done is show striker progressively getting mpre and more irritated with his losses to IMP, this can be done pretty well if they see IMP actually preparing for the fact that they may face striker given the fact that in his first appearance he almost killed moxxie and knocked millie out cold.
Have him still be threatening, the jokrs don't affect him instead he kinda just ignores'em and keeps proceeding if anything maybe even tainting them for attempting to use such a dirty tactoc while still fighting. He doesnt just stop and gloat he does it while he's destroying his opponent.
Maybe he has to result to dirtier tactics, not jokes but attacks that seem petty or unfair, something only desperate people would do but his drive and will to kill the IMP gang keeps them on their toes.
Eventually his losses would lead to his public reputation taking a hit. This would probably drive him mad but at this point he'd probably stop caring about what they think, he's going to kill these IMPs whether if he has a reputation or not, and not stella nor stolas nor crimson will get in his way.
Think about how characters like robotnik are treated in lets say the archie comics. Their powerful, calm, overly confident, but threatening villians that often mentally degrade as the story goes on. But they're never thrown off of the opponent because of some stupid joke, they're constantly on the hunt and constantlu making new advances to achieve there goal. Whether it be using dirtier cheaper tactics to show how desperate they've become they're unhinged decline makes them more unpredictable but they're never torn down so much that they come across as unskilled.
Also I dont mean "nots now slow" I meant "its not slow" striker goes straight almost to the bottom as soon as he is reintroduced. They didn't give him time to be threatening outside of his first episode.
I enjoyed the red tape contract scenes. Hell is just a mirror of mortality...after all.
Why are all the jokes about sex? Its literally so annoying- Tadc has amazing jokes that arent all about sex or private parts..
"STFU!! WHY IS IT ALWAYS A SEX THING??"
I really didn't like how it seemed the princes just took the threats like they did. I mean they should be so much more powerful against imps in general i feel
But... they cute though.
Right?!
you liking the worst episode and then saying Oops is still bad really says all I need to hear 💀💀
Both episodes are bad ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@Birdyboys That’s crazy 💀 cause even by a technical point you’re wrong 😭😭🤚🤚
and i say this as a barbie fan, this episode was way better then last episode
@@hostii9157 What does barbie have to do with Helluva Boss?
@@brandonjones8366 Because as a fan of her, I like the episode still, but saying that ep is better then this one is crazy 😭
@@brandonjones8366 They're talking about the character Barbie Wire, not the doll.
I know that I'm very late, but some of the "issues" you pointed out in this episode are among the reasons why I enjoyed it. The only point I agree with is Striker (though I was hoping that they wouldn't "off" him like you suggested, it would have been way more underwhelming than giving him the chance to play a more meaningful role in the future. And even if I hated that he got distracted by Fizz's song, I think this episode gave him more justice than Western Energy). Oh, I also agree with the "phallus" thing, it isn't fun, it just seems pointless.
Regarding the rest, I disagree with everything. I wouldn't have enjoyed it if this episode broke the momentuum with some corny flashback sequence to explain in a super on-the-nose way Blitz and Fizz' friendship. Ep 1 gave me all the informations that I needed regarding their dynimic, which role everyone played etc., so much so that when Blitz said "you always cared about my opinion" I could totally believe it, just like when Fizz said that he suspected Blitz was jealous of him. And how brief was the revelation of their trauma, before from Fizz's pov and then from Blitz's, is the exact reason why I want to praise it so much. It wasn't rethorical, melodramatic or too long: things that would have made you question how over-the-top that scenario actually was. But it was shocking and hard-hitting. They treated such an unlikely and unfortunate scenario in the best way they could (the incident happened due to such random and unfortunate circumstances that it would have been comedic if it wasn't so tragic, so that was the best way to convey it. It would've been difficult to take it seriously if more emphasis was put into it. And it was the most respectful and sensitive way to handle that topic, imo, otherwise it would have felt like they were trying to make a spectacle out of it, instead of respecting the pain of the characters).
And I was so glad that Stolas didn't solve the problem at the end: I like Stolas, but how much more "Mary Sue" do you want him to be? And I thought that Fizz was well-characterized for what he had to do in this episode: there was A LOT of implicit characterization in his dialogue and actions (the fact that he isn't good at fighting speaks volumes, but also "I promote products that I don't actually use", his fairness in judging royals, the fact that he can easily forgive once he has the whole picture, "today I've learned that I don't like going outside", and other things).
I agree about Asmodeous, but I'm sure he'll have more to him when he becomes more plot-relevant.
And I haven't watched episode 5 yet, I purposely skipped it because I know it doesn't have a good reputation, but from what I know people didn't like that the drama with Blitz' sister was so heavy-handed, nor the M&Ms' argument.
So. I think your opinion is valid, ofc. But it isn't objective, it's just about your own personal taste. I would've listen to it with much more pleasure if it wasn't framed as if what you were saying was a fact.
11:51
Vivi's the same age as me?!?!
You learn something everyday
Asmodeus, the sin of lust, wanting consent is the dumbest writing decision ever.
Ehhh, not really. With his relationship with Fizz, it makes sense as he is established to be a bit of a hypocrite with his relationship. Though it does go the extra mile, it is a bit much by that point. Especially with the montage seen before.
@@VenIGuess🤓👆
None of the sins in this show are actually going to be evil apparently, I hope Viv controls herself and doesn't make them all relate to lower class demons at least
@@Lilsilver12 That’s very toxic and rude behavior.
@@callofthedragon6487 Welcome to the internet lmao
Is it just me or did crimson feel taller in this episode? I thought he was short..
About that accusation of yours that Viv purposely put more dick jokes in this episode just to spite those who heavily criticized that one scene in Exes and Oohs... yeah no, that ain't true. And the proof for that lies in the Helluva 2022 trailer (that I assume you've never seen) where it shows scenes from BOTH Exes and Oohs and Oops in animatic form, so yeah, they already had these episodes planned out long before they were released. Watch the trailer if you don't believe it. And while I'm not an animation expert, I do at least know that writing, storyboarding, and animatics are done in early production, so there's also that. You seriously need to do your research before making such baseless and untrue accusations. As for this episode... It was actually pretty good! It was the first and only episode in season 2 so far that I actually enjoyed! And while I do agree with almost all your criticisms, it was still a good episode overall, despite all that. You know it honestly feels like you WANT to hate Viv and this episode... and please don't get me wrong, you're allowed to feel however you want about this episode, I hadn't been enjoying season 2 either, and I honestly agree with all your season 2 reviews, and I'll respect your opinions on this episode. And you certainly don't have to like Viv, I won't deny that her backlash towards genuine valid criticism has been very immature, but that doesn't give you the right to make such awful and untrue accusations about her with no basis either. Seriously though, your season 2 reviews are some of the many I consider to be the actual valid good faith criticisms, and they're very fair and well done, so your ridiculous accusation here and lack of understanding of how cartoon productions work was unfortunately VERY unsavory and a big misstep for you 😑
(And if you're not an animation expert like me, you could just look it up)
To start off I have never animated anything in my life so it's entirely possible that Im misunderstanding the animation process so correct me if I'm wrong.
I did see that trailer and like all well written shows usually the entire season is planned out before the first episode has aired and like you said this episode was in early production before exes and oohs was even planned out. But the thing about animation is that the entire episode isn't animated all at once. There are several animators who work on these episodes and some finish the scenes they were assigned to animate earlier than others. For example it's entirely possible that this episode was 50% done being animated by the time exes and oohs was finished. That means the other 50% would have been animated after the backlash so Vivienne could have requested to have PP jokes put in. Also if you dig through her twitter enough I believe she did acknowledge the backlash at the dildo joke scene which means she knows that these kind of jokes irritate a number of the fanbase. This puts here in a lose-lose situation because if these scenes were already animated she could have learned from fan feedback and had plenty of time to have the animators cut out or re animate scenes like those from this episode or alternatively these scenes weren't animated yet and she approved of them all with the knowledge that it would upset a portion of the fanbase again which is kinda spiteful/inconsiderate and shows that she doesn't listen to fan feedback. I will emphasize though that at the end of the day it's her show and she has every right to do whatever she wants with it.
It means a lot that you consider my reviews well made and made in good faith so thank you for that. I do try to be professional but the dildo joke in exes and oohs, followed by the statue joke in Western Energy, and now this is just too coincidental not to notice especially since we didn't have nearly as much visual PP jokes in season 1 and now it happens so often that it's become a talking point for reviewers.
If I misunderstood anything please feel free to let me know. Thank you for being civil.
Well I am at least relieved that my comment did come off as civil, because I was honestly worried that maybe I came off as kind of mean, which wasn't my intention, I wanted to be fair for both sides so again, that's a relief 😅 And yeah, I'm aware that Viv has acknowledged the backlash for the dildo jokes, I wasn't trying to defend the constant use of the same jokes (I didn't find them funny either, except for the one where Ozzie punched the statue, I thought that one was actually pretty funny) I only meant that they were most likely already planned out beforehand. And I'm really happy to hear that my opinions on your Helluva Boss videos had a positive effect on you, cuz I really meant what I said about them being completely fair. Thank you for replying back and for also being civil, I hadn't actually expected to get a reply 😃
The humour mostly pissed me off in this episode because of how unfunny it is
What kind of humor?
@@rainbowtoyfunrandomess1982Loona acting hot and gay buddy
@@touchyourstupiddumbpimplefaceWhat unfunny humor? I mean besides the obvious.
@@SliceShorts2016Loona isn't in this episode, in fact she hasn't shown up much because of her voice actor.
I never liked this episode either. The cuteness didnt save it. Just like making Hazbin Hotel funny isnt gonna save the series either. Oh well. I have to agree with you. The two series have so many issues. I just wanted a sexy Chanticlare from Rockadoodle. But nope. Never got it. Asmo was a missed opportunity as a sexy Chanticlare. He needs a beak and then he would look more attractive.
To be honest episode 6 wasn’t that bad but it’s not great surprisingly my favorite part of this episode was Blitz and Fizz being like brothers that was pretty heartwarming yeah that’s it the rest of it was pretty much dog water the jokes are still not funny and the writing is still poo poo anyways good episode but it could have been better🫤
Bro you say that this episode destroys Striker but barely explain why. All you said is that he's not as intimidating but I'd argue he's more in character here than in episode 4. He's still very much against the royals and calls out both Fizz and Blitzø for havimg their "fun time" with them. He's also a lot more serious in this episode and doesn't give off Chaz vibes like in episode 4. He's not perfect, he doesn't give off that confident vibe like how he did is Season 1 Episode 5, but it's still better than how he was handled in Episode 4
Edit: okay another issue about Striker is the fact that he falls for Fizz's song
Didn't listen to anything Van said Stan 3:54
@@isislemons303bruh all he literally says is that he's been losing and because of that he can't be taken seriously anymore and that the show should kill him off and says that he's a shell of his former self WITHOUT explaining WHY
I personally think it’s very OOC for both striker AND crimson to have fallen for fizz’s song.
A lot of people said that Striker's character got ruined during Western Energy, but I doubt it because I know he's still a threat and he shouldn't be messed with, heck he was extra intimidating in Oops especially when he says, "I'll break you like a horse." I don't know what he means by that, but my lord that can't be good. Also I'm not sure why Crimson and Striker got distracted by Fizz's song, but I know they are confused on what's going on. Plus they almost shot Blitz when he finished opening the window. Overall I still consider Striker a very threatening character despite his flaws at times.
Same. Striker was very terrrifying here. SWEET LORD DID YOU SEE HIS FACE OF MADNESS?! O_O!
Also people forget that he's the only one who put the main cats in real danger: almost kill Moxxie (twice) and Blitz, almost Kill Stolas and let him blind, almost kill Millie with an axe, and here almos kill Fizz.
Unpopular opinion: I think Striker is now a more interesting character/villian even more.
I really want to know about his past and why he's in the way he is.
About the As mode is part, u have to keep in mind that not every character should be detailed, and this is ok.
If every faces that we have seen in Helluva Boss had their very own detailed story explained then the show would go on forever.
And about the jokes, i mean, most of them were with the king of lust himself 😅 So i wouldn't even bother complaining.
Striker literally fodder now😢
like helluva bosses male abuse that's even more fodder
16:10 will it tho?
I feel like Stolas's role would have worked better if he had known Crimson had Blitz too so that then instead of him going along with Ozzie just because he was already there it becomes the two of them working together to get their men back. How I would change it is, instead of just showing Fizz tied up, Crim's message to Ozzie ended with him being thrown into the cage, with Blitz already tied up in there and have Stolas react to thatgiving him an actual reason to go with Ozzie to negotiate. Still have him read the contract anxiously and hurriedly rather than being excited that he has an excuse to read something, asking why there's nothing about blitz and how to get HIM back since the contract only talks about Fizz. I would also still have Blitz and Fizz talk about a distraction and maybe play a few seconds of Look At This before cutting away, to Ozzie and Stolas, develop both Ozzie and his and Stolas's friendship more, have them actually address what happened at Ozzie's and maybe even argue about it. And of course at the end give us a bit of Stoliz angst when Fizz shows up at the office after he and Blitz escape but Stolas is still worrying and looks around for him before asking Fizzie where he is. Fizz tells him that Blitz just went home. Maybe have Stolas think this means Blitz didn't want to see him or thinks he wouldn't care, when really Blitz has no idea Stolas was involved at all and so no reason to even consider wether he would be worried or not.
YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW WHY I DON'T LIKE THIS EPISODE 5 UNHAPPY CAMPERS IT'S SHOWING INCEST JOKES ON RUclips CHANNEL IT'S VERY WRONG AND DISGUSTED HELLUVA BOSS HAS GONE TOO FAR.
I’m pretty sure there are some tv shows that imply incest. Spy x Family comes to mind what with the weird thing with yuri going on. But I do agree that happy campers is probably the worst episode in the season, if not the series.
Now that I’ve written this it sounds like I’m defending incest and I apologize for making the comment sound like that 😅
I think you commneted on the wrong video
This guy is stuck in the timeline where s2 episodes are terrible all the time (which this one is ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!) So anyway yeah I don't agree with any bad thing he says about this episode but I can still understand where he's coming from
Dude you’re made about the humor that was set in the lust ring?! you fail to see the point of the jokes which makes you a hater in my eyes. Your insulting Viv but watching her show anyway it’s pretty sad if your gunna hate on a creator simply just don’t watch it.
As if this humor was exclusive to the Lust Ring and not used until it became obnoxious throughout the entire show
@@ronaldmacjokerfeliz2669Hasn’t HB always been like this?
@@callofthedragon6487 I think I didn't understand your question
@@ronaldmacjokerfeliz2669 Helluva Boss has always had excessive amounts of swearing and sexual jokes why are people complaining about it now?
@@callofthedragon6487 Because humor has lost its fun,at least for me and some other people, that's what happens when you use the same type of jokes excessively
I swear, sometimes I have a feeling the only videos about Helluva Boss I see are constant complains.
Everytime new episode pop up I go and see it and I am more or less but happy with what I saw. And judging from likes to dislikes ratio most people thinks the same and yet 9/10 videos about Helluva Boss that I come across are about how this show/character/episode/etc are bad. C'mon... Stop this constant negativity, please.
Spot on and great review! Basically all my grievances and what I liked about the episode and the show you pretty much put into words!👌
OK. The episode was not a failure dude. Look you have every right to hate the past episodes and I will admit this episode had some flaws (Striker is barely a threat anymore) but the interactions with Blitz and Fizz were good and we got a bit more backstory to what caused their fallout. OK. Yes it would have been nice to see more build up to the reveal but the performance from Brandon made up for it. He poured his heart into that confession scene. All you talk about Are the negatives and rarely speak of the positives. This was the first genuinely good episode of S2 but you just want to nitpick and call it a failure because it did nkt reach your "standards " of storytelling.
Couldn’t have said it better myself. This episode is good but the best or greatest. It has flaws but definitely not a failure.
I can't think of anyone else who thinks this episode is a failure.
@@rainbowtoyfunrandomess1982I thought it was kind of a failure. More or so with its extremely quick pacing and unfulfilled conclusions.
@@VenIGuess Well it's your opinion, but for me I obviously loved everything about Oops.
Well, no. Viv said she ran out of funds...and that they have no clue what they are doing according Brandon to Rogers.
I stopped watching aster s1 but I saw this and it made me want to watch everything ive missed
it was literally the best ep in the season yall just hate helluva and won’t give it a chance
YOUR FAVORITE THINGS CAN HAVE FLAWS
If that was the best episode in the season then yeah Season 2 is shit.
Helluva Boss fans when opinions: 😡 (Also, before anyone hates on me for hating on "the greatest fandom of all time", I was apart of the Helluva Boss fandom. I like the show.)
Wait wait, Blitzo killed her mom by accident because of jealousy?... yeah no, he is far from redemption, screw that guy
Dude he didn’t know he pushed someone holding a cake which ended up lighting all the tents on fire. Also the card that Buckzo (Blitz’s father) gave Fizz literally said “Wish You Were My Son” of course Blitz is going to be upset and jealous. I’m starting to think you didn’t even watch the episode. Oh wait a minute you didn’t watch the episode you flat out admitted it to me.
Imagine if your dad valued your friend rather than you.
@@callofthedragon6487 That sounds horrible. And Blitz did say it was an accident, so I believed him and he did try to save his mom and his sister.
I’m sorry AriaKyuKyu but you’ve probably said the most dumbass thing I’ve seen in this comment section.
You said he did it ON ACCIDENT. So, why is he far from redeemable?
I loved the song but you have your own opinion
You need to listen to other songs not ai ones just you know actual songs
Striker should have killed Fizz instantly.
Striker with a notice both like what they are doing instantly i mean maybe but i do know that he would murder them
@@hybridvenom9 He would kill them...Fizz used his magic to charm them..but that wasnt shown or explained in the show. Demons use magick. It was a missed opportunity..
The writer's definitely forgot about striker being a perfect character and now he's no longer that i will judge them for that
i found asmodeus' little speech on consent a little crazy for what he's supposed to be. like ok pal
why? its nice to see an asmodeus that isnt a rapey creep
and why is it crazy? not every lustful being is has to be about lack of consent. plus Ozzie already explained why he prefers consent during that speech.
I sorta agree. It's a little odd how he preaches about consent while casually sending succubi to Earth to have sex with people who *can't* consent...
@@avacadotoast5571 care to explain how those people can't consent to doing the deed when the last time we saw any of his succubi at work, they didn't appear to use any sort of mind control or magical manipulation. only mundane provocative actions
I just dropped the show at oops it's the worst episode i don't care at all about this show i just wanna watch what i like now
That is never going to happen
Ok, wait… so your whole reason for condemning the entire episode as “an unfullfilling failure” is because you don’t like Striker? Ouch, man.
I mean, it’s valid to not like an episode if you feel it’s ruined your fave character, but it’s kinda lame to act like that makes the episode obviously lame for everyone.
I personally like Striker more since ‘Western Energy’ than I did before (I didn’t like him at all before) and I would like to remind you he was not successful then either: he couldn’t even keep Moxxie down for long back then, let alone fullfill his contract with Stella and kill Stolas. All we’ve seen him successfully take down was a farm pig and we don’t even have any idea how hard that is, because we’ve only seen that he’s better at it than the city boy (Moxxie). All we really heard him do is talk and sing (and succeed in farm games against Moxxie, that Millie would’ve kicked his butt in if she’d been allowed to play). His whole purpose in the episode seemed to be to knock Moxxie down more pegs (a character who already gets the short straw from everyone but his own wife).
Striker actually continuing to fail and being unhinged makes a lot of sense to me. The guys that need to constantly bully the little guy tend to be little guy themselves. All that is to say that I never took him seriously as a dangerous villain, but just as a guy who’s full of himself and will sing his own praises every chance he gets, because he NEEDS that adoration, but otherwise has little to offer.
Note: again, you do not have to agree with me about Striker’s characterisation and I can understand why you don’t like it - I just don’t share your opinion. And I do think the episode was epic. I watched it again yesterday and was just like “Wow, this is so good!”.
Again, you do NOT have to agree with me. And there are a lot of fans who agree with you about Striker and are upset about his current portrayal.
EDIT: I didn’t watch the whole thing (I actually thought I had, but that was because of a long YT ad that kinda threw off my focus). - So, I’m going to go ahead and watch the rest of your vid, and may add new thoughts (and/or apologies) in a comment.
I have to keep in mind that, as of your making this vid, the episode ‘Mammon’s Magnificent Musical’ hadn’t been released yet, so try to not start complaining about your takes on Fizz and Ozzie.
Ozzie is actually my fave character - and has been since ‘Oops’ - I do not consider him boring. He actually blew me out of the sky in that episode, with how wholesome he is and how healthy his take on lust and love are. My biggest concern was Fizz hiding stuff from him, and how he was trying so hard to keep their relationship a secret. That, of course, has been resolved with the Mammon episode.
It’s concerning to me that you don’t find his support of /consent/ in regards to love and sex to be interesting, esp considering he’s the embodiment of the Sin of Lust. He could have been much worse. But he’s not, he’s got a healthy take on it, which was a big deal to me. That has made him stand out over nearly all the other characters in the show, with maybe the exception of Moxxie and Millie. - We def can’t say Blitz has a truly healthy take on sex and relationships.
As for his whole thing in “Ozzie’s”, the whole reason he was upset was first of with Moxxie killing his vibe. He didn’t even bother with Stolas or Blitz /until/ Fizz went after Blitz and that was only after Blitz went to Moxxiee’s rescue. Furthermore, Ozzie pretty much forgot all about Stolas and Blitz, evenbefore they left. He had turned his attention fully back onto Moxxie and Millie.
As bad as I felt for Moxxie and Millie, I feel Ozzie was right. It’s not a romantic restaurant, it’s a /sex club/. If you want into a sex club and tried to turn it into a romantic candlelit dinner with a soft seranade, you’d probably get thrown out too. Yes, he was mean to Stolas, doxxing and picking on him publicly like that for just being there - he hadn’t spoken up at all or tried to draw any attention to himself, he even looked worried when he realised Ozzie was actally there. But, again, Ozzie’s primary focus was actually on Moxxie and Millie and how they kept persistently trying to change the whole genre of his club.
But I was that much more pleased when Blitz called him and Fizz out on it, calling them hypocrites. I was surprised Stolas didn’t say anything, but Stolas /was/ there to ask a favour. And I had to notice how chill Ozzie was about it when Stolas revealed having more than just lustful feelings for Blitz. The part that concerned Ozzie was that he thought Stolas intended to /force/ it. There was otherwise no mocking, no scolding, not even a scoff.
And it was fun watching Stolas offer to read the contract for Ozzie, and then be excited about reading the long one. That he could genuinely - and sincerely - help Ozzie in such a trying time. I’d love to see them interacting with each other again.
I loved Blitz in this episode. Loved how he really got to shine with his escape plan (even if Fizz could’ve just grabbed the remote for him), and with the escape. And I loved seeing him and Blitz clear things up and basically make up. I’m so glad that happened instead of the bitterness just continuing. And it was awesome how Blitz softened up when he realised Fizz was /in love/. Like literally straight up said he was happy for him, instead of using it to further mock and attack Fizz like he could have done.
I really just loved this episode (and I loved the Mammon one - these two, which really feel like they are a 1&2 parter, are my currrent top fave episodes in the whole series). And, of course, like you mention, how he admitted he was wrong, how he showed real regret for what happened, including self-blame (even though he shouldn’t blame himself, but that was needed - he needed Fizz to forgive him before he could even consider forgiving himself).
And Fizz was so awesome in it too! It surprised me how soft Fizz is in general. So very unlike his Looloo Land robot counterpart. I really like that Fizz is a great performer, but not a fighter. I’m glad Blitz got to be the rescuer and, in doing so, show Fizz he is amazing at something too - and that Fizz acknolwedged it.
About Stolas… when has Vivzie ever done an after-credits scene? LOL! That’s a weird thing to suddenly expect. (Not counting the ‘Addict’ music video or the Hazbin Hotel pilot, I’m talking about /within the show in question/ - I could be wrong, I just can’t remember any.) And I’ve already given my opinions on the scenes with Stolas and Ozzie, so I won’t repeat that.
About the phalic jokes: what did you expect in the Lust Ring with the Embodiment of Lust himself? Also, you forgot the rooster cuckoo clock (or I blinked - it’s lit a blink and you’ll miss it part to begin with… I think I only caught it the second time I watched the episode). Anyway, you can’t possibly have been surprised that he has a sex toy factory after knowing he has a sex club.
I really don’t get people’s beef with the sex jokes. They’re funny af and /I’m ace/. As far as I’m concerned, this show could have literal porn scenes with the (adult) charas and I’d love it. It’d surely get rid of the prudes (or give them more fodder, and then I could point and laugh at how they’re watching porn anyway).
I do not think Vivzie’s petty. I think people just like to think she is because it’s fun to try and rip on someone you’re jealous of. (Yes, that’s what all these rips are her say to me: “I’m jealous of her, but I don’t know how to deal with it in a constructive manner and I sure as hell am not going to admit it.”. Either way, it is not very mature.)
You say that “most people grow out of it”… ohhhhh, boy, just wait. You’re going to be so surprised and how perve older people are.
But, seriously, stop ripping on her. Like I said, it’s not mature of you either, no matter how valid you believe it to be.
Perhaps it would be enlightening to tell you hat I am in my mid 40’s. I’m guessing you’re nowhere near that. I have a lot of life experience, have dealt with a lot of people of a lot of different ages (from babies to seniours), and it seems like you’ve got a ways to go and a lot of experience to gain. Don’t worry, you’ll get there. You’ll have that moment where you’re like “OMG, does mturity never happen ever??”; for me, it was a parent-teacher group thing; and then again with a group of seniours. Maturity is simply not something that comes with age. It’s something that has to be worked at.
With Blitz/Fizz past and relationship: it was really clear just through Blitz how close he and Fizz were. Particularly when he was looking through his phone. The fact that he still KEPT those pics of Fizz instead of throwing them out showed they were once very close and that he still deeply cares about Fizz. You don’t have to see everything on-screen to understand.
Anyway, what I’m getting from a lot of the critisisms of the show and Vivzie is starting to really tell me that her show is probably not as young adult-oriented as people seem to think it is.
Now, I am not saying the show as a whole is perfect - I dare you to gve me a show that the whole world thinks is entirely perfect - but I absolutely love it and it’s become my fave (with only ‘Invader Zim’ to truly rival it; and IZ does absolutely rival it). There s just so much in the series that makes it incredible. There are, of course, episodes and characters I don’t like (like charas I really /don’t/ like, not charas I love to hate - in Helluva Boss, I do not like Stella and I would be very happy if we never saw her again and I’d be perfectly happy if she just disappears without a word or reason, she doesn’t need a bang or even a ‘goodbye’, I’d be fine if the writers just kinda forgot to writer her ever again… yeah, she’s the one I don’t like; but I love to hate Mammon and Crim and pretty much all the other antagonists, and definitely want to keep them), but that’s the case with literally every show I’ve ever seen (including IZ). Well, I don’t /always/ have a chara that I dislike as much as Stella, but there is one - two actually - of those in IZ (also an antagonist, though in a different way: Keef and Dwicky, for anyone who’s curious).
Again, though… all of this is just my subjective opinion. You don’t have to agree.
If you think it's a fail then you don't understand what a slow burning story is
The episode was pretty good and the season so far is pretty fine, it's given backstory to multiple characters which is needed
Sounds like you're just disappointed for whatever reason
Hb stan.
The only justification of this take would be if season 3 can rebound
L TAKE!! 🤬🤬 this episode is the only one close to the quality of season 1 besides Exes and Os
I sorta agree this is definitely probably the best episode of the season and this season episodes haven’t even been that bad.
Same Vanitymoth just made the dumbest take since Critical drinker called Glass onion masterliece of stupidity
Hb stans
@@ralph9989 did not
@@isislemons303 I’m not a stan I just don’t really agree with Vanitymoth takes
this was just filler not even good filler stale popcorn filler in this episode
Never seen this channel before till now. And to be honest, you havnt gained a sub here with this one. Maybe next time
These rants always feel like a homeless person complaining that his free food wasn't at least a four star meal and he wasted his precious life by taking time to eat it. But you are right Viv is petty.
Even if free there should at least be an attempt at proper quality and consistency. If there isn't, then people have the right to complain about a poor product.
Without criticism the show will never improve. It's great that it's free but when there are so many glaring problems, it's hard not to be disappointed that the show is only a shadow of what it could be.
I feel this episode did fix some problems but apparently that isn't enough 4 nitpickers like you
@@zemox2534 The criticisms in this video aren't "nitpicks". They're glaring problems with the plot and characters.
Just because the episode had slight issues doesn’t outright mean it was a failure. In my opinion, this was one of the better episodes with something good finally happening to Blitz’s life as well as getting more flashbacks that explain how Blitz and Fizz got their scars and why Fizz hated Blitz in the first place. I’m sorry but there is just no way that this episode was way worse than Seeing Stars. Oops was one of the best episodes of season 2 and possibly the best episode in the entire series so far. Of course your opinions of the episode are respected but that is just my thought on the matter.