The Disturbing Development of N
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Liam could have done so much more with this character but man would I love for this theoretical aspect of his character to be acknowledged.
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I think N's reasoning for being obsessed with uzi is that she's probably the first person thats shown him any hint of kindness in AGES. We dont know how long hes been getting broken by J, and V leaving him in the dark (actively KNOWING about cyn, and telling him nothing) probably leaving him scavenging for any acceptance he can get from anyone. Then Uzi comes along.
I agree.
Yeah, I feel like a lot of people are missing the point
N has no reason to care for J, she let him die once even making fun of him during it then tried killing him once. He has reason to distrust V since she tried killing him, leaving him in the dark and was okay with j killing him.
V has no reason to care for N, he's a clone made by Cyn who was "allowed to keep his memories" (N is torn apart by crows in his memories until Uzi shows up/hacks them)and him protecting Cyn got V dismantled and turned into a murder drone(painful process) then controlled.
@@almessasorrow4950but she still kinda does, because it was no one's fault this weird solver shit thing was here in the first place, for them it was like protecting a family member, sadly without knowing it had an Eldritch virus in it
@@brunopagnoncelli975 yeah, they both care for each other. They just had reasons to be on edge.
It was literally confirmed by Cyn in episode 8 that Cyn would leave V and N alone as long as V did her job! She just tried to protect N, that point that she didnt show kindness to him in ages in invalid.
N’s arc isn’t necessarily about him becoming self-sufficient and independent.
N’s arc is about him standing up and being assertive rather than just accepting whatever happens because of his tolerant and compliant nature. Uzi is primarily the catalyst for his growth since she saved his life and rubs her rebellious nature off on N, but that isn’t necessarily the only thing contributing to his growth.
Now about N’s Savior complex. The problem with the Savior complex for N is the context behind it. Yes, N protected Uzi from “Tessa” who is supposed to carry a lot of emotional weight on N. But in this case, N actually already started to piece things together and become suspicious of Tessa from his interactions with Nori. For one, he learned from Nori that all of the humans already died, she also suggested that among them in the mine, someone is Cyn’s host besides Uzi and Doll. N confronting and ultimately beheading “Tessa” was a warranted and rational response to the situation.
And as for N being slow to hurt Uzi knowing she’s a threat to the universe according to Tessa. This actually isn’t anything new for N’s character and doesn’t actually really say a lot about N having a toxic savior’s complex as N is typically slow to make a hasty decision for something so extreme unless his sense of peace and harmony is immediately disrupted. This is a lot more consistent with his character throughout the story (Episode 2 he mediates Uzi from her murder all human plan, getting her to slow her decision. Same thing in Episode 4 when V was trying to hurt Uzi and N didn’t know what was going on.) so I’m not really convinced that just because Liam has written characters that may have a toxic Savior’s complex in his past works that it applies to N as well. yes, their may be similar themes, but it doesn’t prove that N would under go the same arc with the savior’s complex.
And another thing, N still has a lot going for him personality wise, it’s only easy to think he doesn’t because that’s literally part of his character. N doesn’t have a very great sense of personal identity like a character like Uzi, who’s whole focus is on her unique identity and personal belonging as someone who wants to fit in but not blend in. N is a character that goes along with what other people in his life want to avoid being in conflict so him having this complex wouldn’t actually make him more multifaceted, it would just make him more inconsistent. I’d honestly argue Uzi is a stronger candidate for having the Savior’s complex she just hasn’t had the chance to actually be a savior until the end of episode 7.
(Post series finale Update. No, N does not have the Saviors complex.)
so much this!!!!!!!!
I think the Savior complex involves an inflated ego which N doesn’t really have.
@@ComparisonEdxts Not necessarily, but N’s lack of ego can be a supporting evidence for that because the focus on one’s image is something very common for this complex and the Savior’s complex typically stems from an ego. But for the definition, it isn’t necessary.
@@ComparisonEdxts Also, I should clarify that Murder Drones still has a final episode to expand upon N’s character arc and Liam has created other characters that align with The savior’s complex and N could very well follow suit so it’s good to not outright dismiss the idea. I’m simply pointing out that there’s currently more supporting that this it’s not the case within N’s character and thus, wouldn’t work via standard Occum’s razor.
POINTS ALL OVER!! YES
People always forget the golden retriever analogy.
N is similar to a golden retriever.
N is loyal, and obsessed with Uzi. He would do anything for Uzi’s saftey, like how a dog would do anything for his owner.
When N kills Tessa, it would be like if a dog had an old owner that told it to attack its new owner.
facts i did not think about it like that
Imagine a "gentle mouths" line throwback when he actually bites someone in the finale. Ties with Uzi's catchphrase too
@@muserweaver I like the idea lol
@@muserweaver “Gentle mouths” might refer to how the disassembly drones are like vampires, and N doesn’t bite, unless he needs the oil to live
@@Axolotl_12358 more likely it's his reassuring tone he uses throughout the show being the gentle mouth.
N would definitely be Forklift Certified
N has come to make an announcement
In the warehouse, straight up „forkin‘ it“, and by „it“, haha, well, let’s just say my pallits.
If N doesn’t say this in Ep 8 I’m not watching
Indeed
That's the one and Only important thing in life, EVER.
YES
I have alot to say...
N is sooo obsessed with dogs he became a golden retriever. And as people know they are loyal but N and the canon events with Uzi lead him to be super loyal of her.
Second and the most ignored part of his development is his self harm. In the pilot he caight his tail before stinging him self wich implise that he hurt himself before. He even risks hid life multiple times in the series. Like him using a bone saw.
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N most likely recognized that Tessa wasn't acting like Tessa. He remembered Tessa to be loving towards drones so him seeing her killing Uzi slowly must have been odd and that she was lying to him about the solver.
And V was threatning Uzis life was odd for him when he attacted her he was confused and said "why are you afraid" when she kept lying to him. Through N's whole life he was manipulated , hurt and was lied to, and he doesn't want to hurt anybody that is moral to drones and is not killing anybody he cares about. He will protect not only his friends but any drone from harms way. N's character development is just overshadowed by everything in this community. Nobody bothers to rewatch the show and focus on N. It hurts to see that people are neglecting N's character development because of Uzi. No hate to you but it is just that N is overshadowed by ships and being the best boy of the series. It's sad how much this community overshadowed the show. Tho some of this is conserning I don't agree to this. It would be interesting but I don't think that will happen in the show. Where is no reason for it to happen. Great theory tho.
i agree
N didn’t know about Tessa
@@food_is_goatedShe was acting funny, he’s intelligent and put two and two together. At the very least, she was dodging his question and tried to talk over him, maybe to reinforce his loyalty to her side.
Tessa literally repeated what the absolute solver was saying. And given the (presumably) short time between the cave scene and the church stuff, yeah, he knew what was up.
yeah, i think it had been criminally neglected how tessa was being secretive and tried to coerce N into killing uzi
Didn't mention J even once, I know that took restraint
I wonder if her constant bullying of N since manor days played a role in him developing the trait discussed in the video
maybe this video is hinting at him being overprotective and obsessed with J @@muserweaver
It's hard to not mention that toxic waste of metal when talking about negative stuff in MD.
Fr 💀🙏
I really don't understand why people like J she had 5 minutes of screentime, in which she was a prick
Thing is, N knew that wasn’t Tessa. He had his suspicions for killing her
N didn’t know that yet I’m pretty sure
@@derp-vv1gv He knew. She was acting weird, and she outed herself when she repeated the "You know why I keep you around, N?"
@@tetraxis3011 actually no, litterally nothing pointed to tessa
In fact the bigger threat would be considered to be doll if N used Basic logic, considering there were two solvers he knew existed, one he saw going away, which means he could only guess the other tried to eat him, not instantly assume it was tessa.
Besides tessa didint repeat anything, her asking that wasnt out of character at all, N really didint have a single reason to kill tessa, he could disarm her or at least pin her, but not kill.
@@HOI4notsoproplayer Except that that line "do you know why I keep you around, N?" was also repeated literally five minutes prior by Cyn. N has all the right to be, at least, a bit suspicious of Tessa-Suit.
I haven't been around the fandom much (around a day, quite literally. yesterday I watched and finished the whole series up until the seventh episode), but what I know about Tessa is that, although, basically a slaver, she also quite liked the drones, and would've not liked the idea of killing one "because of the universe". Not to mention that she knew about the patch. And if Tessa was alive, as one of the only survivors (and from a rich and powerful family as hers), she would've ALSO known about the patch. Not only that, but there's also Doll in the mix, having her same powers. Why did Tessa-Suit only mention Uzi and not Doll, as a target needing killing? Because Tessa-suit wanted N to take care of Uzi, while she took care of Doll. And also because Uzi has part of the patch, I think, same as Doll.
@@HOI4notsoproplayer Not to mention the fact that the viewer has had ALL of the red flags to recognize that Tessa-Suit wasn't Tessa because of the absolute minute and minuscule details during the episodes she was in (through art and filming directions with the shots of the drones looking into the helm for interminable seconds, Tessa-suit shaking off an injury like it's nothing, the way she didn't worry about her space-suit being ripped and ruined... and there are others), so I feel like it's wrongful both towards the characters and the writers to say "there were no signs that pointed that the Tessa-Suit wasn't Tessa". I whole-heartedly believe that N didn't know exactly what was going on with Tessa-Suit, but he knew something was wrong, and just cut his losses.
Another bit of proof to this theory, in episode 7 N's arm is pinned under rubble, right after losing contact with Uzi. N says "I deserve this" while preparing to cut off his own arm, which shows he is not only willing to hurt others to save Uzi, but he's also willing to hurt himself if it means he knows she's safe.
That sounds really dark. Oh god, what if Uzi dies? Will N just off himself?
@@HauntedDiegoat the moment he thinks she’s dead so........
I mean bro has an arsenal of weapons including a sword which would have cut his arm clean off with much more ease but bro chose a saw making it way more painful than it needed to be. . .oh and even before it was hinted that N was self harming himself by stabbing himself with his own tail so there’s that as well. . .😅
@@CYNnUzi-mt3sqwhat? Where? You mean in the pilot? If so I think the implication was that N was just clumsy with his tail, not that he was doing it on purpose.
But yes, the self harm thing in that moment with the arm does give the scene a whole new disturbing look. He’s punishing himself there for upsetting Uzi
@@talonsandtails501 Yea I just mentioned it as you can interpret it as him being clumsy, to be fair that’s what I think it meant but you can consider the fact he should know how to use it easily if he’s been using it to kill worker drones and for all we know he hasn’t accidentally stung himself ever since he met Uzi,it could have been a subconscious thing as in the pilot when he mentioned it he caught his own tail so he may not intentionally self harm at that period in time but it’s just a theory a film theory! But yes the idea of him punishing himself over scaring off Uzi in that scene is quite disturbing
As a N fan, I actually like this theory
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Same here
Edit:Except the Tessa part tbh, I somewhat disagree with that one.
I'm sure that this comments section will be civil and very constructive, things can only end well when it's a video about N and some of his flaws!
we will be very chill about it dw
real
I'm honestly chill about it
I just let people have their opinions, even if I hate a theory I wouldn’t complain about it
Moments before disaster
I am an N fan, but I 100 percent agree with you. N has become outright obsessive with Uzi, to the point where his entire character revolves around her.
It's one of the reasons why I like Intermision so much. There, N is a genuine middle man. He balances out his care for Uzi, while at the same time he listens to and cooperates with V.
Canon N would start immediately arguing over why he can't hurt Uzi despite her Solver takeover posing a real threat
I thought N did get defensive over Uzi in that fan episode, am I just remembering it wrong?
I also want to point out in regards to N’s protectiveness that both he and Uzi are in VERY precarious situations throughout the whole show, they often get separated from each other and either of them could die at any moment. It’s when they’re together that they’re safest, which is the what the arc of their relationship kind of is, so it’s really no wonder they’re so co-dependent on each other. Idk, I just think it fits naturally for their characters and for the story.
(Not here to start any wars btw, I will fully disclaim that I’m a huge N x Uzi fan so I may be a bit biased for not agreeing with the point in the video)
As another N fan, I *COMPLETELY* agree with you
@@Bethany_Bradley Not really, he did actually listen to V for once in Intermission. Which is kinda out of character for him...
@@Ice4ever_67Considering that it’s set after “Cabin Fever” and he saw how outright dangerous both became, it’s no surprise he listened to her. If one of my friends was possessed by Robo-Satan while my other friend knew what to do, I’d listen to her.
This is why the main reasons I like this fan episode more than the entirety of the Canon show N he actually listens to V which is something out of character for him in the Canon show N fan if I'm being honest his whole character is revolving around being a guardian angel for uzi I'm not trying to be rude but he's basically like the male version of yandere ready to kill or hurt everyone even if they're closest family or Friends just to protect uzi
I don't mind him being a supportive character and a guarding for uzi but he has to be independent for himself and think about his other friends and family not just about uzi
And I hope in the final episode they make him something more and better frame serve rather than just being a supportive character for Uzi
it should be noted that N mainly killed Tessa because he realized she was manipulating him, when V told N they had to leave because the underground lab (or something, idk what it is) because it was dangerous, N believed going down further to burn the underground labs was bigger than them, and that it was so crucial to stop Cyn that they couldn't just leave, and then Tessa made N believe that he HAD to kill Uzi to save copper 9, when in reality, there was a handy dandy patch already made for the absolute solver, and even at episode 7 where he's about to kill her, he asks her about the patch, because it would be safe to assume she might've not known about it, instead she tried misdirecting and manipulating N AGAIN, which was the final straw for him since she was about to kill Uzi
This should be one of the top comments!
You _really_ made me think pookie was gonna turn into the main villain for the final episode 💀💀💀
Okay. They did kind of point this out in ep 3. SUBTLY. When Uzi says: “Ugh! Quit saving me!”
It doesn't seem like Liam to make such a goofball character but then give him one of the most disturbing arcs. The difficult part is that Liam has hidden so much lore in murder drones that we don't know if we're thinking too hard or not at this point. A single lore video could tear apart how we see a character even if it's not true. This seems like a pretty reasonable theory though. Really hope this doesn't ruin episode 8 for me lol.
I mean, it makes sense to me. V sacrificed herself, Cyn is taken over, Tessa’s been dead for years, J…..is J. That leaves Uzi as the only one N can trust and protect.
She was the first person to be genuinely nice with no real hidden goal other than “escape the Spire alive.” She cared for him.
If I was in N’s place, I don’t know if I’d be able to be anything other than protective of my friend.
Uzi has others to look out for her (her mom and dad, Thad, even Lizzy), but N just has Uzi to look out for him.
J is J lmao
I think in “Tessa”’s case is less to do with toxic savior complex and more to do with him suddenly having a realization something was off about her. We see when Nori says “yeva’s kid i know dummy. Which one of them just tried to eat us?” Maybe he thought “well doll isnt anywhere to be seen and uzi is on the other end of the tunnel meaning someone else must be here too”? And perhaps through a process of elimination he came to the conclusion that tessa is the only remaining suspect as we know that tessa left him to search for the patch…in a area that is not only even more dangerous for her as she not only is completely outmatched by everything and everyone around there as a simple human. But its also literally CYN’s domain in a sense
would also explain his reaction to that question. He was realizing Tessa isn't Tessa
WHY does nobody understand why N killed Tessa? It's because she was AWARE of the crucifix Patch and made N think the only option was to kill Uzi because she didn't tell him they could patch her.
^ THIS!! this so much! Idk why some people are not seeing this! N is a giant gooberhead but he is not stupid. I'm fairly positive being pushed around by J for so long has made him at least semi-aware at times when he is being fed bullshit and being manipulated. I'm sure he started becoming suspicious in Ep 6 and was mostly in denial until he had this epiphany after his convo with Nori! The show makes this pretty obvious, imo.
Vanitymoth pretending not to be a J simp
He's not a simp, J is just his favorite character.
@@sonicorange9050 🤓🤓🤓🤓bro it’s a fucking joke
@@supasam06 hey bro
@@Solveroftheabsolutefabric24 oh hey solver
What the hell is Solver of the Absolute Fabric doing here?
The fact that this show could have went through so many directions of fucked up but instead we got the golden path for the canon is insane. 🙏😭
N’s potential toxic savior complex could be a minor plot point in episode 8 in some way
Oh yeah definitely.
Toxic positivity for N could be interesting yeah, it would also be exciting!
BUDDYYY
@@StarryInkArt so true
It was infact not. A dissapointing end to it all.
I don’t want to say obsessive, although could be.
I do agree with you for N having a somewhat savior complex. I am a N fan, and I do know where you are going for.
For all we know, J ( just saying I don’t hate here, but all the characters have some something negative about them ), J did technically tell him he was “ useless” and probably more comments. Plus, in some Liam’s concept art of N, he is obsessed with being liked ( of course some may have changed, but I believe perhaps that only changed a little ), and him being obsessed with being liked if why he is somewhat now calls N , Uzi’s “ dog “. If Uzi was the once person who was actually accepting him, he probably took that opportunity to make sure she won’t treat him like garbage. Of course later on, he did develop and ep 7 was probably his most development , since Uzi is “gone” ( I’m guessing Uzi was kinda like the leader of the group, V and N ) N is gonna HAVE TO take things in his hands. Also, with him not showing V any care, he does care about her, she is just out of line sometimes. Ep 3, we have N trying to tell V to tell him about the stuff she knows, and V slices his head off. Of course V has some trauma, but perhaps she could’ve said “ I don’t want to talk about it “ or any other way without psychical violence. Of course all the characters have flaws, but that’s great, because you can either see those flaws progress positively or negatively.
N maybe could have been better if he wasn’t ’obsessed‘ with Uzi, but then again, it’s only the 3 ( Uzi, V and N) in the show, with them probably dying at any moment, so they need to stick together anyway otherwise they end up like the camp kids ( RIP BRAIDEN THE GOAT) but yeah.
I’m freaking out about ep 8 pls help.
I think a huge part of what causes N’s obsessive behavior towards Uzi is actually realistic in most scenarios like in Episode 7.
Point blank: N is afraid of losing Uzi, and conversely Uzi is afraid of losing N. Uzi’s behavior in episode 4 and N’s in episode 7 are parallel manifestations of the exact same phenomenon.
You may ask then- “why are these two so afraid of losing each other?” While it’s basically canon at this point that. they do have a crush each other- it’s for a bigger reason- and it’s the same reason why these two even like each other in the first place:
They see each other is the only person that truly knows them.
Up until these two meeting- neither really ever had someone who ever truly understood them or they could relate to on such a deep level. They both have experienced trauma and abuse, they both struggle with mental health issues and self esteem issues, they both know what it’s like to be abandoned, or taken advantage of, or shunned, or manipulated.
If anything- this is a huge explanation as to why N is being such a Uzi simp- he’s scared of losing the only person in his life that truly understands him. A sympathy we can all relate to- and his newfound confidence is channeled into preventing him from losing that outlet.
He’s not even a simp, he’s her friend.
They genuinely care and like about each other, and they’ve been through so many nightmares together.
That's a good point
He may be a Golden Retriever, he may be a simp for Uzi, but he is just really scared of losing his friends but especially Uzi because of what you said. He could definitely be a better friend to V cause she’s actually tried to help him or accept him.
@@DANIELH013 exactly. To be frank V also has been through about the same traumatizing stuff that N has- with the added bonus that she never got a period of amnesia or relief from it.
You’d think N would confine in her- but…I guessing he either just relates to Uzi more, or maybe he misinterprets her protection of him as her being controlling and secretive…who knows.
Given that CYN/AbS (they’re about the same thing) is the very thing responsible for like 90% of N’s suffering I really hope we get a scene in Ep 8 where N confronts CYN alone- gets a couple minutes of screen time with just him and- it. Just so he can dish out a personal ass kicking on CYN.
@@witherslayer6502 that would be cool
he definitely got that from J's bullying, like you didn't even mentioned her ONCE
Dang bro N went from “pls be my friend” to “Since I lost my friend, I will make sure to make you do my homework.”
what? wdym “Since I lost my friend, I will make sure to make you do my homework.” What does that even mean?
The more times i read this the more confused i get
I think a genuinely interesting 'fix' for this would be a pretty simple one. Just have N argue with Khan or J in the final episode, or both.
With how the episode is panning out, it could genuinely slide on in somehow. And would be a good way to segue into a full-on (but begrudging) team up against the absolute solver.
And as a guy who loves the guy this’d be awesome to see.
The only issue is the fact that J and Khan haven’t been super active around N (barring the pilot and a few other small moments) but I think it could work if you just tinker with the dialogue.
Like J calling N out for betraying 'the company' to Uzi only for him to snap back. Something loose like that.
Agreed!
I genuinely want J to be forced to pick between N, her seemingly last standing teammate, or Cyn, the drone wearing her friend like a costume.
It’s scary how the traits that we admire characters for can potentially be toxic
It would be really interesting to see this obessiveness be so extreme that it does more harm than good. If for example in the end Cyn took complete control of Uzi and N just went along with it, unable to hurt her in any way (like shown in the ep7).
Like, imagine if J learned that Tessa is actually Cyn and changed sides, but N was so loyal to Uzi that it would put him against everyone else. This way J and N would be put in effectively the same situatuion: the big evil villain in a body of their favorite person. Seeing J be the one to try convincing N of changing sides would be a nice parallel to the first episode.
Also, can you please link the eternal dream cover? I've tried looking for it but didn't find anything.
The eternal dream cover was one I commissioned and was supposed to be uploaded on the creators channel but they never uploaded it and due to the nature of our agreement I can’t upload it so it’s kinda stuck in a limbo where it can’t be listened to on its own.
Awww, that's a shame. Thanks anyway, love your videos
Agreed, nervous and excited to see what is done what his character in the finale.
I would love to see that.
"This is merely a theory" my guy, I wish I was the person I was 8 minutes ago. Now im questioning how much of my sanity will be left after ep 8 😊
How much sanity do you have now 😳😳
As someone who is a fan of N
Holy shit I think you just cooked with this theory
Would like to mention though that for episode 4 N does not have his memories and the only interactions with him and V have been pretty negative so him snapping at her is pretty plausible
Cannot really say the same for Tessa though the fact that he was driven that far is insane
To be fair, she was in the process of killing Uzi at the time. Plus, he gave her a chance. Because, you know, "I thought killing her was a necessary evil because she is a danger to everything and I thought there is no other way" and "I knew there is a way to help my friend's girlfriend, for who he obviously cares, but still came here to kill her, so I have lied to him about god knows how many things." are very different things. And she chose the "I am going to blow my cover by saying a phrase I have said to him about 10 minutes ago as someone who has ultimately caused him and his friends most harm in their lives, practically violated them and is the threat to the universe and his girlfriend".
N fr became a yandere. 💀
He became the yandre 2nd character… just like how Liam likes them
N killed Tessa because she lied to him repeatedly and tried to kill all of them. It's surprising to me how many people ignore the question he asked when he killed her... "Did you know about the patch? One chance" right here he is confirming if Tessa had continually lied telling him that the only option was to kill Uzi. Now that he knows the Solver can be patched out of her, and Tessa doesn't deny it, then he knows that she lied and tried to manipulate him into killing someone he cares about, he knows that Tessa doesn't have his best interest at heart. I'm sure if he hadn't found out Tessa was manipulating him, he would've just tried to get her away from Uzi rather than killing her on the spot.
@@player_566-1just like cliffside!
I cannot understate how perfect it was when John Matthew's savior complex was brought up.
I think Liam just really likes reusing things from his older stories.
When you're lonely and have little else, entering a relationship can make that person feel like your entire universe .
"THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE OR ONE LITTLE DRONE" -- For N, Uzi is the universe. He is unable to think with his mind, only with his emotions not his fault he lived a live drained of emotional connection he need help
N will enable his HOF menace society badge in ep 8
Someone making a video about N that isn't constantly praising him?
I've waited too long for this.
AGREED
I think looking for pathology in everything is in itself a pathology.
Mental illness is not good writing. Or at least not a substitute for one.
Character can have issues, but reducing it to "its just the complex talking" is what would reduce them to one dimensional.
When he "killed" "Tess" he didn't randomly draw a blade on an innocent, he threatened an enemy who failed to respond correctly, in a rather fucked up situation.
Also, he had a fair bit of time to think, knowing that he would likely come in conflict so it wasn't sudden to him.
I gotta say, I am forever thankful for your videos, you pick up stuff I would have missed and made me realize a lot of stuff about the characters/episodes you talk about on your channel
I love N but everything you said is true.
He doesn’t have any character development that doesn’t revolve around Uzi or someone else. He does everything for other people.
I think he is this way because Uzi is the only one who has ever truly cared about him. He doesn’t think anyone else could or cares about him so he is so desperate to keep her in his life.
I don’t blame N for protecting Uzi so much, but the fact that he is willing to hurt people he cares about for her isn’t ok.
As a N fan I really like this idea because I always found it interesting how he’s willing to hurt the people he’s loved in the past for Uzi’s sake. The thing I’m worried about is that they probably won’t do this because it’s only the final episode then Murder Drones is done. It would have to be a long episode or barely talked about if they want to get an idea like this in.
i'm not much of an N fan, but imo one of your arguments is a little far-fetched.. the situation with Tessa is way more complex than just "N mercilessly beheading the person who raised him because he's obsessed with his new gf".
throughout ep6+7 "Tessa" never once took N's thoughts and feelings into account, which can be understood from our viewpoint, but in N's eyes only decreased her credibility. she made it clear that her plans don't include helping Uzi, and on top of that she rudely dissmissed N after V's death, and suggested not taking Uzi further down the mine shaft. (gotta say i love how furious N looks after she says that.) by proclaiming that they "are not going to hurt Uzi" while looking "Tessa" dead in the eye, N tries to imply to "Tessa" that whatever her current plan is, he isn't going to assist her, not after how she's been treating him as a pet rather than as a person. he may not know that it's not Tessa at all, but what he does know by then is that she's changed, and she's no longer the same person who once saved him and raised him into who he is.
at the moment N draws a blade at "Tessa", he is also holding in his hands the patch that can be used to cure Uzi, something any human like Tessa should have known about. the only thing he wants to know now is whether or not "Tessa" considered using it before concluding that Uzi needs to be killed. the moment she chooses to mock him instead of answering, is the moment he realizes that he needs to kill this person, may it be Tessa or not Tessa.
he does look absolutely traumatized after doing that, but the look on his face is the look of someone who can't believe he was just talking to the person who took almost everything from him. the person who made the conscious desicion to cause so much harm to his loved ones, despite knowing there existed a surefire way to fix everything. the person who may or may not have been Tessa, but nonetheless was too dangerous to be left alive.
tldr, no, N isn't turning into a crazy yandere, he had solid reasons to act the way he did in this situation.
what i do absolutely agree with you on is the independence part. so far Uzi and N had been pushing through because they believed they could win this battle as long as they had each other. now they're separated, with both of them having no way of knowing whether or not the other one is still alive. i wonder how N's going to perform this time. how much does he believe in himself? does he want to fight for a universe where there is no Uzi? guess we're about to find out..
Tessa was literally giving red flags. Such as hand waving V saying they’ll rescue her later and almost repeating what cyn was saying.
Now I just want to applaud to you! 👏👏
Was sitting for a few minutes here, reading the comments while listening to the video, and was about to write almost the same message. But Not only have you already done it before me, but also with more beautiful and collectful words than I ever could!! ^^
Love so many characters (almost everyone) in Murder Drones, so many flaws to analyze and understand, and So Many (like, really, they are everywhere) little hints and details about everything in this show! (I never was upset with rewatching and rereRerewatching shows that I like or interested in)
And I won't lie, even After becoming a fan of N and Murder Drones itself, I began taking his character and it's growth way more serious when someone I know told me that I have a lot of flaws myself (saviour complex, avoiding conflicts, being too meticulous...).
So, um ... yeah, it was really great to read your comment! Thanks. ))
@@I-like-Hugs-and-Fluffy-boys why thank you fellow slavic MD fan!!! ^^ i wrote this at like 3 am, then reread it in the morning and honestly thought i wrote a bunch of nonsense, but still, i needed to get this out of my system.. so thank you again, this is so nice to hear :)
yepyepyep same!!!!!! im so in love with this show and each of its aspects, atp i think i've watched every reaction to it there was to find on yt, and i can NEVER get my eyes off the picture, it's just so fascinating (and the animation IS SOOOO GOOODDD IM GOINF CRAZYYY)
ohhh i know how that feels :') i went into the show blind, and unexpectedly ended up liking Doll the most out of all characters. like.. she really got the short end of the stick. barely coping with her parents' death, was battling a deadly virus that makes her harm others but is also slowly killing her, was trying to use this deadly power to get revenge, while also being on a quest to find a cure.. she's smart, and strong, but she's alone against the whole world.. and yeah, that hit close to home. actually, im currently drawing her to celebrate the show finale. gotta honor the memory of my best girl. R.I.P.
I don’t think N would have killed V unless he wouldn’t be able to change her mind cause he was very upset when V “died”
Imagine having 1 person that doesnt actively make u feel worse and trying to enjoy ur time with them and saying u have a problem 🌯
and here come the n fans....
Khan is better.
Some N fans are actually agreeing with this statement
BEWAAAAARREE!!! oOOooOoooooo
n's my favorite character but i feel like some people don't really interpret his character that well
@@transwitchkinga lotta people just mainly like him bc he’s cute and funny (myself included guilty as charged lol)
while N is flawed as a character, i think that the way you portray this obsessiveness feels quite exaggerated
for one, N had all the clues he needed to know Tessa wasn't who she said he was
- in episode 5, he regains his memories of the gala, so how did Tessa even get out alive when the entire earth was destroyed in the process?
- generally, Tessa was acting extremely weird (especially with the sentinels attacking her)
- Tessa failed the human security check for the sentinels
- why would Tessa manipulate him into thinking the only way to survive was to kill Uzi? (the dismissive comment of "you know why i keep you around, N?" makes it obvious she knew about the patch)
- speaking of that line, Cyn literally said the same exact thing to N like 5 minutes ago (this is mostly just a cherry on top, not that substantial but leans you the direction of "this isn't Tessa")
secondly, N swiping at V was entirely justified due to his perception of both V and Uzi at the time
- he hadn't regained his memories fully yet, so the only good thing he has to go off of for V is that she was nice to him in a dream which was MAYBE a memory (meanwhile, every other interaction has been V putting N down and acting like he's worse than her)
- Uzi, on the other hand, has had tons of positive experiences with N up to this point, which would probably put her ahead of V in terms of likeness (even if V and N had a past, N doesn't really remember any of it)
- V was intentionally being vague to keep N in the dark about what was really going on, and this was even hinted at in episode 3 when N asks her for information, to which she responds by SLICING HIS HEAD OFF. i don't think drawing your blade at someone who literally sliced your head off not that long ago is anything to bat an eye at
as for the beginning of episode 7, it feels like it's less of a "savior complex" thing and more of a "this is one of the only people i care about, V just died and Tessa is being really weird so should i REALLY trust her?"
- the reason he says "we aren't going to hurt you" isn't because he specifically chooses Uzi over the universe, but because he is being indecisive and is panicking about losing Uzi (because as stated before, she's the last person he truly cares about besides Tessa, who is currently being super suspicious)
i DO think N having this character trait is possible AND good in terms of writing, but this honestly feels like it's stretching when it comes to it's severity
Great critique/analysis! I honestly never thought of his character like that! Now I’m even more interested to see how episode 8 will pan out!
Despite N fans being one of the most defensive and obsessive fans, they are laking a small thing...
If you like a character, you have to like them with their flaws, after all that's what makes a character, well, "a character", so denying the criticism about the character and some of their flat out flaws just shows you're less of a fan
This is what makes episode 8 so interesting because what does n do after he just lost the one thing he cares about more than his own safety he killed his old friend and it was all for nothing because as far as he can tell she died
bro i stared at the screen with open mouth for 5 minutes when he just straight up k!lled Tessa😭
6:14 he hasn’t been mentally stable since the pilot
I don't think he has been since the HuMaN Gala. A childhood like that would break anyone. Or at least start to anyways.
8:35 UZIIII! WHAT!
4:13 this was the only moment where N really was irrational and dangerous with his obsession in my opinion and it was him relapsing basically
This kinda feels like a direct response to a comment I left over the video about Ep7, defending Tessa's killing as not being OOC for N.
...Except I missed it until now. Whoops. Let's fix that! :D
Here's my theory: N not only has this trait of doing irrational things to help people, _it is one of his core ones he had from the start._
The difference? It was previously directed at, and abused by Cyn.
The Ep7 callback, after Cyn says N "loved doing anything" and hugged him, unlocking a memory of his, proves as much.
N took part in the genocide against the population of Earth solely for Cyn's appeasement, and from the spires of Workers he helped create on Copper-9, it can be inferred his M.O. of "appeasing those he likes through extreme violence" hasn't changed much from then until the pilot.
N was never sane, and N's arc, in my eyes, never involved a conflict with Uzi due to his _developing_ mental instability.
It was coming to terms with the fact that the people he considered his friends, like Cyn and, frankly, J, abused his _pre-existing_ mental instability to make him do violent and horrible things, and either cutting that aspect out of his personality, or if he can't get rid of it, repurposing it towards physically protecting someone who showed him support when no one else did: Uzi.
That process is not without hiccups: that is why he commits all of the acts of violence against others he likes/liked (and whose motives he now questions) and himself mentioned in the video.
But all of them pale in comparison to what he was willing to do for Cyn in the past, and his complete lack of violence by the end of Ep8 is, in fact, the end of his character's arc, going from "committing genocide for those you like" to "actually functioning member of society, in a healthy(-ish) relationship".
Episode 8 topples this entire theory. Also, did you not pay attention AT ALL when watching Episode 7? N killed "Tessa" (Cyn in disguise) because she had been acting strange, and when he asked her if she knew about the cure for the solver, she did not deny it so he killed her. That was not N being obcessive. WE LITERALLY SAW TESSA BURN THE CURE TO THE SOLVER. N killing "Tessa" was him trying to save Uzi from Cyn, and we know for sure it was Cyn because when Uzi tried to use her solver, it displayed the "Like object" message on the screen, which only appears when dealing with other solvers (We know this because it was first used in Episode 3, where Doll tried to flatten Uzi and the "Like object" message was shown). Also, ZERO interesting moments aside from the ones with Uzi? Did you find the flashback of N killing humanity, N's dapper phase, N's talk (interrogation) with Nori, and etc. not to be interesting? Be more dapper, sir. He drew a blade on V because she was trying to get N to let go of Uzi so V could kill her, and she was being really rough and aggressive, as well as gaslighting him. He didn't even hurt her and helped her defeat Uzi when she went mad. N didn't want to kill Uzi when "Tessa" told him to in episode 6 because he loved her and wanted to find another way. Well, he did. They defeated Cyn and TheAbsoluteSolver, curing Uzi. And he probably had a small suspicion inside of him that "Tessa" wasn't actually the real Tessa due to her strange behavior. N loves to help others, thats just a personality trait of his, doesn't mean he's obcessive (Though I'd say your probably correct about N having a *little* bit of obcessiveness, due to being the robot form of a golden retriever, but not to the point where he'd kill someone if they so much as hurt Uzi's feelings like you suggested). And N was shown to not listen to Uzi when she told him to be silent during Episode 8 when they heard V's voice (The real V), and he instead shouted to V, which, although giving away their location and nearly killing them, was an independent decision. And just because Liam has made overbearing and obcessive male protagonists in the past, it does not mean that *all* of his male protagonists are like that.
Exactly
But how does he know about who is she?
@@yalovoyhznepomny Nori implied it
@yalovoyhznepomny "Tessa" shakes off an injury in about five seconds when she's bitten by a sentinel, and about two minutes later in the episode she's seen splattering her blood all over the hallway to keep the sentinels away, which succeeds except for the red sentinel. And again, N ASKS "Tessa" if she knew about the patch to cure the solver (while holding up the patch, mind you), and she does not deny it. Also, the whole time "Tessa" was on Copper-9, she was lying to them blatantly, like refusing to tell V "the truth" (Her plan to kill Uzi or have N do it) because she knew V was gonna be suspicious. And "Tessa" put killing Uzi on the number one priority list when there were clearly more important things to be done. It was pretty obvious. That's why he cuts her head off.
@@lukeputhuff6515 and?
As n n fan I love this theory cus....
WE COULD GET FERAL N AAAAAA
That’s interesting! I do think it is a flaw that’s present in the show itself, cue Uzi in ep 3 yelling “Quit saving me!”
Though I’d argue he did have some suspicions about Tessa, but also that he never really was mentally stable. After all, he was a murder drone and deemed a genocidal robot. But he started to defend Uzi since the first episode as she is the one who “woke him up” in a way, even while still crushing on V.
Also, I think one of the reasons he’s acting this way is probably because it goes both ways. N enjoys Uzi’s company but Uzi hangs out with N because he’s the only person who listens to her and takes her seriously, she never complained about him, she cares about his well being knowing he gets hurt because of her.
If Glitch makes more stuff with Uzi and N they might tackle this subject. In any case, this gives N a flaw that could be developed in his character
honestly itd be really cool if he was dpd coded as someone who struggles with dependent personality disorder, this seems like it would fit him and there are absolutely desperate horrible self destructive lengths (and even being used as a pawn to hurt others!) i have gone to please specific people i care about - i am pretty convinced his unwillingness to hurt uzi at first was denial, but even so that was a *steep* risk to take and i relate to him a lot but i worry about how fans are so fond his self sacrificial tendencies, portraying it as a charity or a secure relationship when it very well could be based on fear and loneliness! that's a lot of pressure on both uzi and n!!
uzi was one of the first people to treat him somewhat fairly in a very long time, so i worry this is an anxious attachment like the ones i have where he is just so desperate not to lose somebody he perceives as actually willing to care about/for him that he is willing to do pretty much anything to protect that unless it involves the destruction of others, and if he can justify it to himself thats even more worrisome - it's not that their dynamic can't be cute and pretty wholesome, but it's wild how the fandom sorta glosses over moments that remind me way too much of my own idealization and codependency
shit i might have to make my own video about this huh. may my executive please function.,.,,.. sighhh
Hope you are doing well ❤
@@HaxxorElite hi!! i have a lot of work to do, but i'm starting to gain better self awareness so that's a good first step! :> i'm gonna go to cbt and i am sending you my best wishes as well! thank you! 💙
Yeah agreed! As someone who has struggled with anxious attachment I see myself in him alot. Nuzi can be very worrisome if given the chance. But I think that is a good call.
@@skippingseaglass 💛
It’s character development. I do understand what you said, but N is tired of being pushed around. He trusted Tessa, but when he saw her bad reaction to the one person who acknowledged him for YEARS, I see why he’d lose his trust. He didn’t have most of his memories in episode 4, and V in the pilot through to episode 3 was pretty awful to him. Once Uzi let’s him into her Barriers like he’s needed someone to, he would do anything for her.
I wonder if N is gonna fully snap in episode 8
Probably
Didn't happen.
I personally live for negative main character arcs bc I’m evil. Can’t wait for N to go insane
Plus, N is REALLY SIMILAR TO GOLDEN RETRIEVERS. They are LOYAL to their owners, people they love. ( and obviously will be overprotective) . So yeah. I don’t think n is “ obsessive” is just that he really does have savior complex.
But it’s not him just doing it for being “ obsessive “, no, it’s when you feel you have the responsibility, like it’s YOUR duty to serve and help other people. Even if it means you being hurt. We see this in N a lot. N wants to help so badly in the beginning of the series.As far as I know of getting savior complex, it’s actually a sort of trauma? Some causes for it is abandonment issues, young age where you had to take care of everyone or care for them, and etc. We see N really did have that, since he was the once who had to take care of Cyn, serve the humans, and in the pilot, was honestly a doormat for J and V. ( not the fact that their personalities never changed, so he stuck the same way ).
But when you already have savior complex, then getting thrown on a plant, having to kill, and your coworkers treating you like garbage? Your savior complex only strengthens, and I think that’s why it’s on Uzi a lot.
Really, in all honesty, N is a good, endearing character, that doesn’t actually know what to do with himself. That’s why he was willingly going along with the whole “ robot killing “, or the camp trip. I think that’s why people tend to dislike about N. You need to go deeper into these characters in the show, because yeah it’s complicated, but you gotta think like the characters sometimes. I’m not saying Liam didn’t waste a lot of N In the show, I just think it wasn’t timed paced enough, but yeah. And I do hope all the characters arcs are completed and done nicely in episode 8.
N is someone, who believed his purpose is to serve, to HELP. Someone who probably does have Savior Complex.
But now having NO ONE to help, he may as well use it on himself, and his arc can now be complete.
( gosh I need to make up my mind tbh when it comes to commenting I yap a lot 😭. )
THIS EXPLAINS A LOT
@@SirajKhan-es7zd lol
7:29 I didn't even realize the captcha was there 😂
I personally love this theory, as a N fan. It just makes the character a whole lot more interesting and deepens the plot during episode 8. It would be amazing to see Uzi possibly get scared of N because of how obsessive he's become- I can't wait to see what happens in episode 8 !!!
THIS!!
As a huge N fan, I absolutely agree with you.
He is a great character, but he could be so much better if his “independence” wasn’t almost entirely dependent on Uzi. Like you said 😂
He's still my favorite though✨
Now, because of this, I’m hoping that the finale will be his big moment. Because to my knowledge, in episode 8, he will be entirely alone. With Uzi in space and V being gone, this would mean he actually has to think for himself.
And I know he’s probably just gonna freak out and try to crawl back to Uzi, but it’d be so awesome to see him fighting and thinking for himself without the others being the priority!
Amazing video! I like this dive into his character :D 💖
This is a genuinely interesting argument, and very well put together. I like the idea of characters having flaws that they need to work out, and N having a flaw like this could be absolutely amazing for character development if a sequel series is ever released for Murder Drones.
But, it misses several beats along the way that are incredibly important to N's character as well.
First, there in an issue in the assumption that N's character arc is meant to explicitly be him 'gaining independence.' While he might be gaining some small amount of independence as a result of his character arc, this is not the main focus. The main focus of his character arc seems more to be him learning to stand up for himself better. Uzi serves at the spark that begins this process, turning N from allowing himself to be controlled by others, to being able to make decisions for himself. Incidentally, he shows signs of this change in episode 2, where he questions Uzi's motive of killing all humans.
Episode 3. I don't think that N repeatedly saving Uzi by any means shows that he has a savior complex. Instead, I believe that this relates more to Uzi's own character arc - specifically her learning to not do things alone. N is just doing what anyone would do for a friend if they had N's regenerative capabilities.
Episode 4. N's harsh response towards V cannot be entirely credited to his ever improving relationship with Uzi, there are other factors here at play as well. Recall that during episode 3, V intentionally kept N in the dark about their purpose for being there. This has evidently continued until now as later during the episode, N shouts and rebukes V for not telling him anything. I believe that N feels hurt by this, and this is more than enough to give N reason to dislike V's behavior throughout the episode.
This next part is entirely a subjective opinion, but despite their fallout, I don't think that if the situation of episode 4 was reversed that N would've killed V at all. Subdued? Oh, absolutely. But not killed. Another small detail that needs mention here is that N does not have much of his memory at this point - certainly not enough to know all of his and V's history, only have suspicions at best.
We have to make an assumption that there are details we have missed between episodes 4 and 5 again. Episode 5 and onwards is a straight run to the finish line, and in episode 6 we see these two closer than ever before.
Episode 6/7. Saying that N's reaction to hearing that his closest friend has to be killed for the safety of the universe is irrational... is ironically irrational. How many people can say that they would put the world above the people they love? I'd wager not as many as you'd hope. That takes strength of character... and Uzi is N's strength, having supported him and saved him in turn during episode 5. This is even more true in episode 7, where he has lost V, leaving him only Uzi, and Tessa, who is... acting very strangely.
N knew that something was off with Tessa. The Tessa he knew would not be so cruel to drones. On top of this, Tessa begins saying the exact same thing that the solver said to him in the mineshaft. That's more than enough for N to make the connection that 'this is not the Tessa you know' and choose to save Uzi instead. This is not a sudden, rash decision to kill someone he used to care about for someone he cares about more now. It is a calculated choice made to save a friend in danger, and put down someone attempting to manipulate him.
tl;dr, While N does act as a savior to Uzi several times, he does not have a Savior Complex. He's just a great friend trying to protect someone he cares about. Calling his actions toxic is inaccurate.
Does anyone else have any thoughts on this? I might've missed a point or two, but I think I covered most of what's important here.
i agree with these points
Sadly as a fan of Nuzi and while i think its cute, i gotta admit youre kinda right.
Tbh same
I kinda didn't like were he forgotten v when he said "All I need you" to Uzi
Not mentioning v at all like idk it since ep 7 was happening to many things at once that n didn't have time to grief v's sacrifice
And some v's fans n just completely forgot about v
As a N fan, I love this theory so much. N will do anything tom protect those he loves, his development really was something he need
I would love this to be a canon part of N, I love his character and this adds depth to his character. I really like morally grey characters
I really appreciate this video! I don't agree with everything stated, but I completely align with your interpretation of N's character!
As someone who does character analysis as a hobby, I noticed N's concerning traits long before the big scene in episode 7.
One important thing to note is that N has always been an obsessive person. N behaved stalker-esque towards V before and during the pilot, despite her incessant rejection of him. This dynamic went on for DECADES (as Uzi is implied to be 19-21, and the squad likely arrived either before or shortly after Uzi's birth). The fact that N refused to move on from V, who he barely had any connection with beyond vague memories, has some dark implications. That doesn't even touch on how V was implied to be treating him like a nameless rock during this period.
Furthermore, despite learning the sentience of worker drones just moments prior, N goes on a murder spree to reach Uzi.
After he reaches her, N expresses that he enjoyed Uzi's company, but had to take her life due to the weapon she held, rather than any other purpose.
He killed for V (and possibly J) then, rather than the company. It took empathy for Uzi's abandonment by her father for N to rethink his obsession, as V had constantly abandoned him in the past.
I argue that this isn't a theory. This was always potent in N's character and is not discussed enough among the fanbase.
When the decapitation of N's motherly figure (past caretaker? friend? It's unfortunately developed much in the show) occurred, I expressed to my friends that the relationship N held towards Uzi was unhealthy. I was very much condemned for my opinion. I'm glad to see more people are open to these concepts. This part of N is important and reflective of obsessive behavior in reality, along with the consequences that come with it.
N is my favorite character, and I'm so glad more people are seeing his full image. N so much more than a timid, nieve, gentle giant. The darker parts of N's personality deserve more exploration in fan stories and art.
I'm open to any ideas, addictions, or arguments you guys have. I encourage you to comment! Thanks for reading my ramblings. ❤
AGREED! I figured this out a while ago as well, and had people tell me I was "looking to deep in-between the lines". This concept had me start my own comic where I want to explore this idea called MD:TOTALITY ! I think N has a lot more darker traits to him, and most see him as a sweet cinnamon roll but this has to be explored more and the fandom shouldn't be blind to his flaws too. This isnt a theory, its been hidden in plain sight, and I'm glad more people are catching on, if this is the way N is truely, Nuzi wont really be healthy.
@StarryInkArt I believe that NUzi does have the potential to become healthy in the future. Uzi has a history of biting back when she feels someone is being overbearing towards her or she's being coddled. After all this is over, assuming everyone lives, Uzi might be able to help N shake his obsessive behavior by attacking it directly during each occurrence, rather than ignoring it like V did.
Although, one could argue that N in episode 3 doesn't cease his actions of saving Uzi despite her demanding him to, which doesn't bode well for his case. On the other hand, N stops patting her in episode 2 when she slaps his hand away.
I personally think it all depends on whether Uzi points out his flaw to him and they tackle it together. Because if she doesn't, ain't no way my boy gonna figure it out on his own. Not after this long.
Either way, I don't see NUzi as toxic, (though some aspects of it are DEFINATLY unhealthy from both characters). Both individuals genuinely mean the best for eachother. It's an imperfect relationship and dynamic, but with some time, communication, and work... It can blossom into something good for both of them!
I looked into your art btw, it's super awesome! I'll be following your Twitter!
@@toigur1230 Oh yeah, (not saying it is 100% toxic)
it could definitely be healthy if worked on, in its currently state though if what is said in the video is correct, it could be rocky for a while, but all relationships have that rocky stage! Like you said, its whether they can get through it and grow that matters! :) Im sure Uzi is strong enough to speak up for herself and N will be understanding enough, they have alot of tramua to tackle together tho!
And thankyou so much! More art and more to the comic coming soon!
This was also shown in Episode 3 whenever he simply kept saving Uzi, even JUST after recovering. Uzi even tells him to "quit saving me!"
I myself have struggled with this form of obsession due to my own poor mental health, it's legitimately damaging. If they have a place for N to take that development and start focusing on himself more in the final episode, it would truly complete his character all the way in my eyes. I dont necessarily think they will be able to do that, but if they did, it would be SOOO nice!
Agreed, and same hes not okay and needs help if this is the case. The fact that Uzi did in fact get annoyed in Episode 3 shows that Nuzi has the possibility to be unhealthy too. I hope they can complete his character with one more episode, but its unlikely.
I would like that to happen. But I highly doubt they will do it since they have very little time, since in the last chapter they will have to answer all the questions and satisfy the fandom with their last Nuzi scene. They have to do all this without haste, because if not, the fandom would not be happy. I wish they made more chapters...
If I recall correctly John(Design)s hero complex was actually mentioned a few times in design, dunno about puppetgame John as I haven't started watching it yet (I still have Black Dogs and a few other things to finish)
Huge N fan: I agree with the theory! He definitely has some unhealthy traits.
I kinda take this as his more deranged side, because as harmless and nice as he can be he’s still capable of killing (as seen with the GENOCIDES he participated it). The obsession and savior complex traits could be written to lean into this darker side of him (or not, maybe it’s just how it’s written and I’m overthinking it lol).
The only part I somewhat disagree with is how he dealt with Tessa. Was it overboard? Oh yea, but at the time he had just gotten his memories back about Tessa and his time on Earth. He was probably confused about all the feelings he had entirely forgot about which was worsened by IMMEDIATELY seeing “Tessa” afterwards. Following this, the person he’s, at the current time, closer to is being threatened on their life over a problem that he found a far better solution to (the USB patch instead of killing Uzi).
Should he have talked with Tessa/Cyn first? Absolutely, but that’s where it seems like the negative traits are written in and displayed.
Overall, I actually think it would be better for him to have these problems not only to have more depth and opportunity to change in episode 8, but it also reminds us of who he was.
He is a disassembly drone, he was part of the death of Earth’s population (albeit probably unwillingly), he’s killed LOTS of drones, and he still has a more insane side that was merely suppressed by meeting Uzi. Overall I’m interested to see how he develops in episode 8, and I hope we see him go towards a more positive and healthy direction.
Again, great theory and analysis. Hope nobody in the comments gives you a hard time about it, lol.
That and, regarding the Tessa point, 'Tessa' was practically repeating all of the absolute solver’s lines. Giving red flags.
that was most interesting MD theory video I've seen a while, common Vanity W.
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I think being a server for majority of his life. Plays a role of his protection of Uzi. Because for majority of his life he was ordered to do tasks and serve people. Now that he’s independent he searches for. Orders and task to be complete. Which is why he goes to the extreme. To protect Uzi since that’s his task, to protect Uzi and make sure she’s not harmed.
Here's the thing. A character arc doesn't always need to be positive, and in a lot of cases it shouldn't. I do agree that N becoming less of a servant to the other disassembly drones but being more codependent and obsessive towards Uzi is a negative character development, even if N has become more dependent in some aspects, but a negative character arc doesn't automatically mean a bad or uninteresting one. I would actually argue the opposite. Characters getting even worse throughout the story can be potentially much more interesting than them getting better, as long as the story acknowledges it and treats it accordingly.
And also, there are some things to take into account:
Firstly, N has always been a servant. He was built to be a butler drone and serve the humans and is taken outside to be killed when he defies them. He is also eventually turned into a disassembly drone by Cyn; he's a servant to Cyn, even if he doesn't know, but even then he's absurdly loyal to J and JCJenson, even if he doesn't know it's fake. Basically, N was raised and treated like a servant his entire life, it would make sense that he would act the way he does towards Uzi. He still has servant-like tendencies, even if he's independent now. Yeah sure, he doesn't have to submit to J or Tessa or anyone anymore, but he still hasn't completely grown out of the "I must be a servant" mentality, he's just carried it to his relationship with Uzi to an uncomfortably unhealthy degree.
Also, he's basically a golden retriever of a person, which could be slightly foreshadowed (?) when he's seen reading about golden retrievers in episode 5. Hell, the "golden retrievers have gentle mouths" line even gets referenced near the end of the EXACT SAME episode. Is also doesn't help that in the EXACT SAME episode, it establishes that N has always acted like that, just not as severely with Uzi, as seen when he insults Tessa's mother in an attempt to defend Cyn.
Basically, it makes perfect sense why N would act the way he does: he still views himself as a servant and is just a naturally loyal and selfless person, even if it gets extremely unhealthy and has the potential to harm himself or his friends or even the entire universe.
Ok ok ok. N knew something was up with Tessa. That’s another reason he didn’t hesitate.
*sees thumbnail title* Oh hello John Matthews
2:46 I highly doubt he'd hurt V. Despite admitting that she isn't the best person (ep3, ending), he still really cares about her as a friend/ex-crush. And yes he obviously cared for Tessa as well, but there's also the fact that he kind of suspected that something was up with Tessa BESIDES her wanting to kill Uzi. And he shows remorse in his reaction after killing what he thought was basicly his mother/big sister figure.
4:20 - 4:50 That's actually a pretty good take imo and makes sense considering what we've seen. Also like ABSOLUTELY, N is nowhere mentally okay. I'm really looking forward to seeing how they close his character arc in the finale. (God I hope it isn't a literal one lmao)
He didnt only kill tessa cuz she was hurting uzi
Tessa just manipulated him, bringing one of the few actual bonds he has left
Tessa just destroyed the cure to robo-black plague
He gave her an ultimatum that she instantly tried to ignore to play mindgames
So no, its not an issue and he isnt killing an innocent person to look good for Uzi
Uzi is obviously EXTREMELY important in N’s life. She helped him break out of the toxic cycle of people pleasing without any questions and was there by his side as they unraveled his repressed trauma and are actively working to fix this situation and save the world. If it weren’t for her he would probably still be unaware of the weight of his actions. We also know that N is a people pleaser and wants to please and protect those he cares about even if he learning to let go of that mindset he’s still been this way for so long that it’s only natural for him at this point. And with all the trauma that he’s faced this is most likely a trauma response that has been going unnoticed with everything else that’s happening. This analysis of N is really making me wonder how he’s gonna handle not being able to be there for Uzi in the finale feeling powerless to do anything to save someone he cares about for seemingly the first time.
didnt N develop suspicions on Tessa after meeting Norri, when She asked who was trying to get them?
the only two possible suspects was either Tessa or Doll, but Doll was lying dead a few feet from them, so that only leaves Tessa.
Even if I don’t necessarily fully agree with the argument that N is obsessed with Uzi (speaking from personal experiences)
I have to admit you are cooking hard with this idea and I kinda wanna see this now
So thanks for making me more interested in episode 8
I (and many others) mostly just see N just caring for Uzi. Uzi definitely filled a spot in N’s life.
Not to mention that Uzi isn’t the only thing N cared for
Going into his argument about N in the opening scene of episode 7, while I can understand what he sees with N being so hyper focused on keeping Uzi safe that it becomes toxic, we also have to remember that he just lost V, a friend who despite the trouble that gave to N, he still cared for her to the point of not being able to move on from her death as soon as it happens
He only stops thinking about that because he only has one more person left and he cannot afford to lose Uzi, which leads to him becoming overprotective and not telling Uzi what is going on, mirroring what V did to him in episodes 3 and 4
He’s used to suffering himself but not when it’s the people he cares for are suffering
And that’s why I love the guy so much
But I can fully understand the man’s reasoning and he did indeed cook after all
@@WillyBadguy2006Essentially yeah. N still has his own problems (I.e. the fact that he did self harm trying to chop off his own arm. I don’t see many mentioning that)
@@EclipseVenexus That moment caught me off guard so hard on my first watch
He genuinely thinks he deserves to suffer for making his last friend move away from him
I’m worried if they go further with this is Episode 8
@@WillyBadguy2006 it’s a scene I wasn’t expecting to see for the guy but. It adds a different kind of layer to him.
N is in a position where his whole world crumbled and there was nothing left for him except for Uzi. His world would end if they hurt Uzi and of course hes going to try to prevent that.
as a fan of N i like this character flaws are important to a character
This is actually a really good theory, super interesting
I can already tell that this is gonna be a controversial video lmao. I do agree with it though and N would've definitely killed V off to save Uzi if he needed to. The things that N does in episode 7 say a lot about his character even if he did get lucky with Tessa being fake. I do hope there's a large stretch of time in episode 8 where N is separated from Uzi and genuinely thinks she's gone just so we can see what he does without her.
edit: dawg the start of episode 8 was so obscenely rushed and nonsensical that I literally wouldn't have been able to predict shit
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The Yandere fanfics are gonna go crazy
I'm a N fan, but i actually like this theory lol
So, if this theory is true, then we will most likely see N's indenpence on doing things, cuz Uzi "dead"(at least, what he saw) so he will not have her to protect her
Also, about Tessa, i think he was already suspicious that Tessa was not really Tessa, cuz he has his memories now, and he remembers that Tessa LOVES drones, she took him, J, V and Cyn and rebuilt them to live again, he knows that if Tessa really knew about the patch she WOULD use it to save Uzi and others, she NEVER would kill a innocent drone that needs help, and N knew this, that's why he said in ep 7 "you knew about the patch? ONE chance" and he noticed that instead of just saying "no" or "yes" she was going to MANIPULATE him again
So, i just said that about Tessa, and about V in ep 4, i think he was just really stressed and angry that V knew something that could actually help them, but she didn't said, he was just too enough of this
That's all my opinion anyway, good theory, i actually like that theory
Edit: also, forgot to say, i actually agree that N is kinda obssessed with Uzi, ngl, i'm not a N fan, cuz i'm obssessed over all the characteres, but i can see their negative and positive sides, and i agree that this obssessed behavior of N towards Uzi is kinda negative, or positive, idk
So n sanity is possible
THATS WHAT IM SAYING
3:40 just remember that before episode 5, they know none of their childhood. It got wiped out from their memory, in episode 5 uzi restored their memory
V recognized Uzi as Cyn in episode 4, so it's safe to say that V at least didn't have her mind wiped until the program mentioned in episode 5 kicked in.
I think another major flaw in the show is that no one has a character arc… or even a clear one, the show doesn’t make sense if you go through it with a critical lense
I think this would be a really cool plot point though I don’t know how they could fit this into the series finale
Eh. I mean, from one angle, you are right. From the other, other factors of him lashing out at V were: knowing, how much punishment DDs (and V personally) can take, not really trying to kill her; demanding to be taken seriously and V trying to be cryptic again, even when ep3 showed how much it doesn't sit well with N. So, for me it's more of a natural progression of N asking V to be honest, going from being polite and patient, to calling her out openly after, mind you, she cuts his head off, being frustrated and only then lashing out after she continues to ignore his demands.
And he gave -Tessa- a chance to make herself clear, because "I thought that there was no other way and killing her is a necessary evil to save the universe from what has happened on Earth" is a one thing, and "I knew that there is a patch right here, but still have decided to kill those drones, meaning that the effort to get the patch is worth more than a life of not one, but multiple drones, even after finding out that my family member? (also a drone) likes one of them. To do so I have also been witholding information/lying about god knows how many things" is another. And then -Tessa- confirms herself as the person who has caused N, his friends, family and an entire civilisation (of drones, which N also happens to be) most of the harm in their lives, including different ways of physical and mental violation of the former three, has destroyed multiple planets with people on them using N and others and is currently planning to do the thing she has warned Uzi will do.
So, while yeah, them trying to hurt Uzi is a thing that caused his reaction, and a big one, it isn't the only cause, there are many others that align with his character and development. "Keeping secrets" is a surprisingly big, but also surprisingly overlooked theme with N.
Besides, Liam might try to do a red herring, with how his other works have been going. But I base this entirely on the fact that there is a pattern and Liam might expect us to see that pattern.
I’m both excited and fearing episode 8 because it’s the last episode of Murder Drones
I'm an N fan but this theory is pretty interesting, though in his defense, V had been ignoring/abusing him before Uzi came around, and V did decapitate him in episode 3
N kind of reminds me of Reiner from Attack On Titan, both help take part in the genocide of their own people and dehumanize those "other" people, but over time not only do they realize they're wrong but that there is a much bigger picture.
The only difference is that N is objectively a better person than Reiner.
I was watching this with all seriousness and then at then end it’s just “i think he might like Uzi guys” AND I CRACKED UP
I think its more likely N killed Tessa because he knew that ain't Tessa that he knew. It's more probable N knew Tessa more than anyone other than J. J was working for Cyn that's the reason why she was with "tessa" between episode 5 and 6. So it's safe to say N knew Tessa so much that he concluded this isn't Tessa.
The thing about N Prioritizing Uzi Even while she was breaking down is that It had been clear there might be a way to save her. But once she's gone she's gone. V on the other hand has the same repair capabilities as N and can take quite the ass kicking if he ever did turn on her to protect uzi like he did a few times. He knows it wont be permanent damage. As for tessa He knows that they slaughtered Everyone on earth most likly and she had been acting funky the whole episode. Very different from how she was in the flashback. I imagine he took a leap of faith but as the episode went on it was increasingly clear tessa was being dodgy and had other motives. He Knew where he wanted to be and what tessa might try to make him do again so i can see him taking her out being a rational line of thought.
Atleast thats how i see his actions.
My biggest tell for this is not the fact that he isn't fine with the idea of Uzi having to be killed to safe the universe, especially by him, but that he goes out of his way to protect her when he knows that she will be the end
I love N but this just is kind of disturbing, yet adds to his character and I actually like the theory
WHY does nobody understand why N killed Tessa? (this is mainly aimed at the comments im seeing not the video itself) It's because she was AWARE of the crucifix Patch and made N think the only option was to kill Uzi because she didn't tell him they could patch her. Even if Uzi was the reason for him snapping, he knows that Tessa was not on his side anymore, he knows that no one on his side would lie and make him kill someone he cares about, whether the person he cares about is Uzi or not. Not only that, but Nori helped him realize that Doll and Uzi weren't the ones in the group creating the holograms and trying to eat them, so Tessa was the only one left to be actively trying to hurt them all. This wasn't just N trying to protect Uzi, it was N acting out against someone who lied repeatedly to him and tried to kill him as well, if it was just V trying to kill Uzi I think he would give her some slack because she wouldn't know about the patch.
I don't think so the reason he killed Tessa was because Tessa was clearly being suspicious to the question of "do you know about the patch" where as with v he had restraint because v wasn't suspicious