Marner wants to stay, should the Leafs re-sign him?
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- Опубликовано: 19 май 2024
- Mitch Marner has made it known that he wants to be a member of the Maple Leafs for a long time and will be eligible for an extension on July 1. Should the team be exploring that as an option? Should the Core Four be given another chance? TSN Hockey analyst Martin Biron and OverDrive host Bryan Hayes chime in.
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The "core4" era will be remembered as the dumpster fire era.
Pretty sure 1968-present is the dumpster fire era for the leafs.
More like the whore4 era because money was spent and we all got fucked.
@@jimbo0o0o I'd say the Ballard years was more of a tire yard fire.
That many years in a row in the playoffs is not easy.
@@jimbo0o0o I tried to be nice😊
Hell No on Marner...full stop! Allocate resources on players who actually show up in the playoffs.
The Loafs are dumb enough not to change anything so they will probably sign Marner to 8 years at 14 per. Duh
No, I'm expecting 8 yrs at 13.9
Nah, he should be paid, 8 years at $8 million per, no more, but if he will accept $6 million per year, go for it.
I would take Marner at 8 yesterday and, I’m not a fan of the player
@@clifflayne9073
Fully Agree. Sign him for $8M or less. If he rejects, trade him.
He"s not worth a 1/3 of that!
THE GOD MITCH MARNER 💀
Yeah what is up with that comment?! I’m surprised more people aren’t jumping on that. I’ve never, ever heard a hockey player refer to themselves as a god. Might have been just a poor choice of words but I think it’s a little more telling than that.
Mans a clown 💀
The Gods among us.
If you think that's funny just remember this is the same city that treats Tie Domi as if he's a god
god mitch the god of entitlement
I’m amazed Dubas got another job.
He looks so smart with those glasses.....hockey old boys club
I'm amazed Shanny still has his. Maybe the Penguins hire him.
Dubas wrote the book on brown nosing like BS the prez of hockey operations
Then he was replaced with Brad Treliving. The guy who lost Matthew Tkachuk, and Johnny.
@@MS-ro9dm Treliving has drafted well with his time in Calgary unlike Dubas. He has to deal with many more obstacles in Calgary that he does in Toronto. Tkachuk and Gudreua wanted out no matter who the GM was. He got a great package for Tkachuk considering the circumstances. Dubas just trades away draft picks to rid himself of bad contracts.
I hope they sign him for big money and for a long time...but then again, I'm not a Leafs fan.
Nylander is the only guy actually performed last 4 years in the playoffs. Everyone else is a no show. But I'm okay to keep Matthews for now. Get rid of Marner and JT.
How?
@@johnsummerhill8323 Let their contracts expire after next year (unless Tavares is willing to take a major cut, he's turning 34 this fall after all and at/near the end of his prime, so *maybe* he'll take a hometown discount).
Nylander, Reilly, and Matthews are already extended long term, so they're not going anywhere. Marner and Tavares are UFAs after 2025. With their contracts being so high and about to expire, the Leafs will never be able to trade them in the coming year (not without having to pay a team to retain their salary so they actually have negative trade value now).
Will it suck to not get anything for them? Sure. But that's the price of not moving them last year when they had the chance.
@@johnsummerhill8323 I guess there is the possibility of these guys waiving their ntc if it's to go somewhere warm, glitzy, and tax friendly (including a Marner extension as part of the deal and leafs holding a chunk of Tavares' salary). Hell I'd take P.L. Dubois for Marner at this point. At least he's a big boy and signed for $4.5million/yr less.(I know, Columbus is neither warm or glitzy 😂)
@@BAMFshee They had NMC last year as well , they could have and should of traded Willy rather than sign him . His play before and after the new contract was like night and day .
It's okay you can say Reaves as well. I won't call you racist.
If they do, I'll give up. We've all watched the playoffs. We all see the sacrifices players make to win. Mitch doesn't understand how to play that way. Marchessault and point are the same size as Mitch. They fight like dogs in playoffs. Mitch has no dog in him. You don't have to be mean. You don't have to punch anyone. But you have to actually go in the middle of the ice.
And not miss opportunities to score because you are afraid of being hit.
well said. it's nice that toronto fans can actually not be solipsistic once in a while and can appreciate a guy like brayden point.
Good summary of Marner. Outrageous skill, no dog.👍
Of course he wants to stay. MLSE is the gift that keeps giving. To the players, just not the fans.
This is Leafs culture. Just look at the Sundin era. He Tucker McCabe and Corson all had NTCs. And Tie Domi was buddy with the chairman and got a contract he didn't deserve twice. Even Lupul and Phaneuf had an NTC.
😂 Yes please 🙏 we need some laughs every June
Leafs goal scoring not good enough to win a round and, at max, only 1 round ...given the toughness of the Atlantic Division.
HELL NO!!
You are clearly dumb. If they trade Marner they don't have anyone to replace.
The "captain" and the "MVP" should absolutely be held more accountable, why do they always come out unscathed?
Mitch Marner is going to be sooo grounded this summer by Paul.
Father 😂😂
Mitch will agree to go play with Sid in Pittsburgh.
Sid won't tolerate his lazy ass behaviour
He would do better in Anaheim or maybe even a team like Los Angeles that needs some help getting past the first round. At least LA had a winning culture in the last 15 years unlike Toronto.
probably will win a cup on a aging Pens team before the Leafs do
Good. They won't win anything.
You guys said the same thing about another "lazy" maple leaf who ended up winning cups in Pittsburgh..
What about Shanahan; his 'vision' has never been realised - he needs to be replaced, now.
Ya, the higher ups have to be held accountable.
Shana dingdong mus be fired
He never had a vision. He just has a big mouth and Craig Janney's wife.
@grahamwride - Shanahan's "visions" would be medically diagnosed as hallucinations. That guy needs strong medication and a one-way ticket to Robidas Island! Bring back Lou Lamiorello!
Just outta curiosity, if you are a leafs fan, now that you guys are out, who are you supporting between Nucks and Oilers? Or none?
Oilers .. my hubby grew up in Edmonton 😂😂
Nobody. Neutral observer.
I like em both
You smart guys of the media, haha, couldn't book lassie in a dog show!! Who would you get to replace Marner????
Shanaplan didn't work.
More like the Shanascam. He was full of shit day one.
Is Berube available for the coaching position?
Is that a real question?
Leafs need a real number 1 goalie. Teams that have that go farther in the playoffs. Samsonov is not it. There was too many inconsistencies this season. Even Woll gets injured frequently.
The only way to get a true number 1 goalie is to draft and develop them, cause once a team has one, they are not giving them up
“I’m a God in Taranna!”
Mitch Marner:
Did he seriously just use Bertuzzi as a positive example? Holy fuck, tuned him out after that.
I bet they resign him long-term
Freaking move Marner and Tavares and Keefe Shannahan and the rest of the jokes
The LEafs do not have to get VALUE back for Marner in a trade .The VALUE is the Cap space that they gain ( a couple of " cant miss" defence prospects and a 1st round pick would do it ) .As long as we waives and you get his cap hit off the books that is the name of the game .The UFA pool this summer is full of guys that have been absolute BEASTS in the playoffs recently ( Montour ,Marchesault,Stamkos ,Reinhart and Toffoli just to name a few ) One or more of these guys on the Leafs could carry them over the playoff hump
If Marner comes back, I’m out. I will never watch another leaf game if they don’t PROVE they wanna win. Not just say it. The presser today was an embarrassment
He has full no movement so you might have to endure one more year. Im not sure if he can placed on waivers and sent to Marlies but if someone claims him you domt get anything back. Im willing to endure 1 more year with the idea that in a worst case 16 and 91 leave as UFA's next summer. But you are going to have to convince me their cap room is spent on top goaltender and D .
@@johngallagher72 he has no trade value to a team who is a playoff contender. Zero. His only value is to a team looking to make the playoffs. Leave to whoever will take you or spend the season in the press box.
@@johngallagher72 He can't be placed on waivers and can't be sent to the minors, either. NMCs are like that.
Have to include Rielly . Any other team, Rielly might # 3 or 4
His contract is the best as for value
My answer to the question in the title of the That's Hockey episode is: "Hell no." Whether Keith Pelley, CEO of Leafs' ownership group Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment (MLSE), agrees with me that Brendan Shanahan, who I'm worried WILL re-sign Marner if allowed to remain club President, must go in favour of one who will allow GM Treliving to end Marner's time as a Leaf still remains TBD.
The Leafs need a right handed D that dominates. Salary cap space is best used for that. But you have to draft those.
N.O !!!
It has run its course
Marner for his regular season success but hasn't continued into the playoffs! His lack of physical play he wasn't worth the 11 million to begin with
nope
His showing at the media scrum highlights how far he should be for this team.
Couldn't agree more.... let's see what the leafs can get for marner
Insanity from 16. Hayes is right on
They will but they also need one more solid defenseman
No they need to change this up to get better results.
No doubt he is a good player but that usually in the winter. Come spring he in golf mode
I’ve always been a Marner fan since he played junior but man he just doesn’t pull his weight in the playoffs. Maybe if there could be a performance clause that gives the team a rebate 😂
He’s a talented player. Just doesn’t work here
@@johndondertman1502can you explain how being apart of the highest scoring duo in the modern NHL classifies itself as not working here? What isn't working is management paying 11.5m for Nylander (a sniper, premadonna, only skate forward man). Look at stats before trying to formulate some sort of logical opinion on the matter that just isn't "I'm sad because we lost I'm a big baby, let's trade our most fundamental player"
Marner has scored the most of the core 4 in playoffs, you need to get your stats checked man. Toronto should have never signed Nylander that high, lol man scored 98 points but was on the ice for 97,what a bum. 13 more points then Marner who played 22 less games, and got more plus minus
@@user-tk7gf4by9e I like Marner. Just said that. Would love for him to stay a leaf AND have success. But he’s not proven it. Playoff hockey is more than putting up points. He doesn’t show grit in the post season. He looked like he was on an afternoon skate when Patrnak blew past him on the outside for the goal. Maybe the ankle was a factor. Maybe not. But he was a non factor just like the Florida series last year.
@@user-tk7gf4by9emitch Marner burner acct
Who made Hayes Gm
Let Marner and Taveras play out their season and move on. Or perhaps see if they will agree to a trade and find another team as desperate to get rid of a player as the Leafs are. I believe LA would probably consider letting Dubois leave and that would save the Leafs a couple of million next season.
He signs with the leafs it will be for 8x12.5 mil ,i would take the loss and place him on waivers he will not removed his no movement clause
The Leafs cannot place him on waivers because of his NMC.
It's dead simple. You make it explicitly clear to Marner and his agent, waive or jeopardize your next contract. He's not playing hockey to win. He's playing to make as much bank as humanly possible.
FACT!
Tavares played out his contract and walked, I'd laugh hard if Marner went to Islanders in the end.
And he deserves every penny the Leafs (thanks to Dumass) agreed to pay this fancy figure skater!
@@g.u.6897you clearly don't play hockey. Please go look at the stats and then come have an educated opinion
@@user-tk7gf4by9e You clearly love Mitch. The real season starts at the drop of the puck in the PLAYOFFS! And that's when your love buddy disappears 🙂. Stick his regular season stats where the sun don't shine. And you can follow your boy for one more year if he doesn't wave his no trade. The real fans will boo him off the ice every game he plays in Toronto next season. If he's smart he's go hang with Dumbass in Pitt and banks some more unearned CASH.
It's amazing how everybody talks about regular season and playoff hockey is old school hockey not many of the younger generation have a clue how to play tough hockey that's why they disappear
You hit the nail on the head. Because fighting has been pushed out of the game today's young players aren't taught the physical element of the game at a young age like in generations past. Skill is what makes money.
That's a good understanding of the situation in Toronto and yes, Marner has to leave. Go get some grit!
They should be sign him for 15 mio a year 8 years long! And they should be sign Campbell as a goalie too. All that is tge promise is for a lot of goals!
Yes, he is a great player and needs protection on his line.
Marner could be the highest paid stick boy in all of hockey history.
Ideally Traverse is the guy to go . Start by putting him on waivers .
The Leafs finished in 10th place during the regular season - seven points behind the Bruins and three ahead of the Predators. No one should take them seriously until they demonstrate the ability to win a division.
But what are you going to get for Warner. He has a no movement clause and other teams know it . Do you think that other teams are going to give up anything good in return . No.
NO WAY, coasting & letting pasternak blow by him for the OT winner confirms he isnt the type of player the leafs need,
a box of pucks and a bag of tape ... get it done
It's time the Leafs' Managment to go all Glenngarry Glen Ross on the Marner. Contract Extensions are for CLOSERS!!
Y’all should trade Marner for size and defensive depth
There was only two, real major issues that the Leafs encountered.. 1. Our Lack of Team defense was an issue in the first two games vs Bruins.. (that is a coaching issue) he has not been able to get this team to play proper defense the entire time he has been here.. That difference, could have gotten us one or two more games before our back was to the wall.. This is a FACT...... 2, Our Powerplay.. Not adjusting our powerplay to an entirely new zone entry and attack is again ( COACHING )... This team should have raced to the blue line with speed and chased a dump in,,,, then force point shots while crashing the net... They failed to adjust and we missed out on maybe, 15 more goals which would have ended this series... In Everything other area, the Leafs matched or exceeded Bruins play... How do we know this --we went to game Seven OT...
As a Red Wings fan this would be the most Toronto Maple Leafs thing to do.. . I approve!!😂😂😂
Let him walk. Use the money on goalies\defence
Better coaching might seriously improve his game. That should be the Leafs #1 priority. That move should have been made at least 2 seasons ago. Someone that will end the country club atmosphere. A coach that’s won in the NHL. As John Cooper the Tampa coach said he’d take Marner in a heart beat on his team. And then getting a resilient, reliable & durable #1 goaltender. This tandem too injury prone & give up way too many soft goals.
The only reason I don’t think I’d resign him is he’s going to be getting 11+. If they really want to change this core they need to stop overpaying for unproven playoff talent. Now, if he were to take 9m then Tavares off the books after a year. Maybe.
Hayes is a beast
WHY TRADE YOUR 2ND OR 3RD BEST PLAYER, LOOK AT THE OTHER PLAYERS.
Only sign him for regular season games.
His quitting on back checking in OT gave the Bruins the series winning goal. 😀
He’s like ya go ahead pastarnak fly past me and bury the game 7 or winner no problem I want to golfing anyways
Him backchecking doesn't do a thing on that play. If you want to blame it on him, blame him not getting a small piece of Pasta to slow him down, which is his only requirement on that play. That goals on Rielly and Sammy more than him.
Not saying he wasn't almost invisible all series, just saying from an X's and O's perspective, you're wrong on that play.
Agreed. Hey Samsonov get off the goal line and get the puck or poke check or something. Deer in the headlights on that play.
Wheres the defense lol. Oh yea don't mention them because you don't have any 😂
@KS-xk2so Respectfully disagree. Marner is 100% aware of where Pasta is as he jumps over the boards. He sees Pasta get behind him and does nothing. He's just watching Lindholm. Yes, Reilly was caught flat footed, and he should've recognized this wasn't just a dump in. But if Marner turns on the jets to man mark Pasta, he never has enough time and space to make that perfect deke on his backhand. Samsonov also needs to be more aggressive there. You can't allow Pasta to go cross crease in the paint like that.
He’s a great regular season player. Just not a playoff player. He will have to change his game
Well said fellas
Well he is a God after all
Two of the "big four" have to go. They need that money badly to sign other players especially defence and maybe goal.
Hell no! Trade him, period.
We'll give you Perron for him, it would get both guys close to home
@@ronmurray7349 at least he plays what his contract is worth. Look at his points. Stupid ass Leafs signed Nylander to 11.5m....for what? He never proved himself.
@@ronmurray7349 and has a no trade clause.
Can't be traded.
@@johnsummerhill8323 If Marner waives his NMC he can!
I want Joel Quennville as head coach
Suuuuure!!! But Shanny could deliver the pain alot cheaper by just rubbing rub scotch bonnet hot sauce in fans' eyes instead!
Oh please. They're gonna run it back
No way to Marner. Wave bye - Keefe, Brodie, Samsonov, Liljegren. Add number one goalie, two top 2 defencemen and a new coach to start.
Gods? LMAO. These people are insane. Marner needs to go.
If Quenville is allowed to coach again. He’s our guy.
Only if they want a repeat of the last 8 years
13.75x8 years in coming ?
lets see how much marner wants to stay. tell him most you are getting is 8x7.5-8m aav
no send him to utah
Utah could only be so lucky, but what would they send back that the leafs want?
@@1986fritzthecatCap space and multiple draft picks.
Ask for Keller + Durzi. Settle for Schmaltz + Moser. Add sweetener if necessary.
@@snooker96you don’t trade a franchise centre.
@@Xyy2387 loooool no they will be lucky to get a first a prospect and a roster player
Does anyone look at stats ? Marners points per game is slightly higher than Matthews or Nylander and his plus minus is far superior to Nylander , Nylander is flashy offensively but horrible in his own end
🎯
Nylander only shows up for barely any games during the season, but somehow shows up for the playoffs. Nylander (playoffs) and Marner (regular season) are opposites and wonder how it would’ve been if they actually showed up in the end…..
@@scottdellaire4552 I think Marner was still hampered by the high ankle sprain
Love Marner. Don’t love the salary. Would be hard to justify 11m - 12m unless the cap goes way up.
Hatd to be a playoff team without a playoff goalie. That being said being a Toronto gan ISN'T EASY
Do it!! Let's goooooo!
This team needs changes from top to bottom, both on and off the ice. No one should be safe outside of Matthews, Woll, Knies, Benoit and McCabe.
Domi deserves a resign. He’s one of the few leafs that showed heart and grit in the post season.
Marner has to stay, if toronto trades him or let him walk, hes gonna do very good on some other team and all those leaf fans that wanted him gone are gonna regret it. look at Zach Hyman hes an incredible player now, and also Nazem Kadri he won a cup and was a key contributer to winning that cup. im telling you yall gonna be crying when hes somewhere else doing amazing things. -- Leafs Fan
Keefe may get a bonus instead
How about a straight up trade; Matthews for McKinnon.
Hell NOO!!!!!!!
He should be signed. Can't be traded.
If he wants to play for what he makes now.
Woll is not the answer because he's injury prone all the time. He's another Murray
Marner rarely gets injured. Mathews has only played three full seasons in his career. This season his rookie season and covid.
$4 million a year for years 1-3 with team option for year 4-6, with no No-Movement Clause and strip him of the A. We may think about it.
What do you think this is proving to a player who averages over 1.2ppg, and +20 plus minus. You're clearly uneducated, no one on the Leafs even touches Marner in terms of his value to the team.
@@user-tk7gf4by9e they done talking about 70 now they need a new narrative
@@user-tk7gf4by9e yea you guys should sign him 13m for 8 years so we can all keep laughing at the first round exits.
@@user-tk7gf4by9e "What do you think this is proving to a player who averages over 1.2ppg, and +20 plus minus. You're clearly uneducated, no one on the Leafs even touches Marner in terms of his value to the team...DURING THE REGULAR SEASON."
That contract cannot exist. Option years cannot exist.
God no, no accountability from him. The fact that Willy had to bitch him out to quit whining was the last straw for me. It would be a different story of Mitch went and said, I wasn't good enough, I played like a ghost, that's on me. I think that's why people gave Samsonov a 2nd chance. He told the media he played like shit. If you don't want to be held accountable, you shouldn't be allowed to continue to play here. Let him walk
Agreed 👍
Why marner getting trashed so hard has potential still and is fine. Maybe in olayoffs don’t put him on pk save him for pp. If anyone needs to go it Morgan Reilly for a goalie lots can flip. Gibson, markstrom. Lankinen saros.
Ship out Marner, get rid of Shanan and find a way to get John Cooper behind the bench. Also Leafs don't need 6 assistant coaches on the bench. Bring in a defensive coach and a powerplay specialist.
If Marner wishes to win a Cup, it’ll have to be someplace else.
Him being there (wherever that is) will keep them from winning too.
@@CelticSlayer93 ..you can say the same thing about Mathews, Nylander, Reilly and Tavares.
@@guyh.4121 True, but I don't feel that way about Nylander. He always shows up in the playoffs. I know he missed the first few but when he hit the ice he was the best player.
marner prob has good value in trade and enough to bring back a #1 d men or a good #2 d men with a lot of other good pieces as well. 90 point guys that can play centre and have a two way game are hard to come by regardless of post season struggle. im just surpised this move didnt come sooner. it was beyond obvious it wasnt going to work after the montreal series in 2021.
He has no trade clause meaning he n the team the Charmin leafs want to send him to has leverage so his trade value is not worth as much as it should be.
Of course you can get guys to agree by sitting them making them waste a year of their career but the fact is, they still have leverage where to go along with their new team. The best they can hope for is like a late 1st rounder with a mid level player imo but that's better then nothing.
@@tihseht472 no chance he gets dealt for that little. the only way that happens is if marner plays hard ball and is dead set on two teams with little to no assets to trade and if thats the case this process is getting dragged out. again hes a guy that can play centre and put up 95-100 points so thats immediately going to attract like 31 other teams. i'd expect a bidding war where the leafs can pick up a first line defender, or top 6 F with some extra intriguing pieces. Id expect vegas, colorado, carolina, LA, nashville, etc. to get him.
ship his godly ass out
Hell, no. Gotta let go of Marner.