@@TehLightraven The amount of effort required for a character to flourish is accounted for when people determine how good or bad they are. Wolverine requires more coordination than Hela for example, which makes him weaker in that aspect. Another example is that Wolverine's gameplay is far more linear: nuke the tank. In situations outside of this gameplay, Wolverine fairs worse than say Hela for example.
Deadasssss i love magik and currently have a 75% win percentage and im ab 2 ranks from top 500, i wish hawkeye didnt get banned as much since i LOVE to duo que with a ranged character as magik is such a underrated combo.
If they change Cloak's Dark Teleportation skill to not auto cancel when your allies take basically any action, they would jump up very high in popularity. Being able to essentially erase an ult with the skill would be crazy. But with how it works now, it just is not worth taking in higher ranks as much as the others.
Exactly. It’s really annoying that C&D have such an annoying restriction on that ability, and I don’t understand why. Adam / Loki press one button and get strong invulnerability’s that tank / negate entire ultimates. They don’t have to predict, like Cloak & Dagger do, they can just react. And they don’t have to deal with the downtime of swap animations. Yet Cloak allies lose invuln if they simply reload. Make it make sense 😭 Even if the devs changed that though, I still don’t know if C&D would be as competitive, because their ultimate is not that good. I know people like to talk about stacking the dashes for huge heals, but Luna & Mantis ults do the same thing for less effort (and for a longer duration in Luna’s case.) Those ults are easier to use reactively and teammates are much more likely to, you know, stand in them. 🤦♀️
The reason why hulk is so strong is because his stun allows him to completely disable someone for a few seconds allowing him to do damage to someone else. He has great AOE shielding for his team or whoever is near him. Decent and consistent mobility. Ultimate that can be used for high displacement and damage and the ability to lock one person down. And is a great tank buster and works with other characters that are also good at tank busting. Combine all these together and he's very strong but for the average player he's very difficult to play and requires team coordination.
@@jacobistrash7623 it’s quite common when you recognize the insane iron mans on enemy/friendly team xD. especially when amano and rymazing are queued together. but really, hulk and iron mans teamup ability is so broken one of them is banned in my games.
As a diamond C&D one-trick, I was shocked to see their stats. That is an abysmal winrate for a hero with a pickrate so high. But after thinking about it, it makes sense. Their strongest defensive ability - Cloak’s shroud - is also their most inconsistent. Any teammate you’re trying to save loses invuln status if they do literally anything - even reload! There’s also the downside that Dagger has to swap to use the shroud, which is downtime that other supports don’t have. It makes saving teammates from ults more of a prediction game, whereas most other strategists can simply react. Loki / Adam can press Shift. Luna / Mantis can press Q. It’s just easier. 🤷♀️ And even if you do correctly predict the enemy ult as Cloak & Dagger, the payoff isn’t worth it because your teammate will sneeze in the wrong direction, lose invuln, and die. Very unfortunate for my favorite hero.
A few of your takes are kinda insane. Been playing GM matches and nobody is sleeping on Mantis. The fact is Luna is just all around better so she gets banned more. Also Moon Knight isn't bad at higher ranks, he's picked quite often still and gets a ton of value.
Exactly, I’m only diamond 1 but the Moon Knight take is wild hes picked in most of my games since hela and Hawkeye are banned and people frag out on him. Mantis is not slept on at all as well
@@brixtonblasi2321he said he’s gold 1 so that’s likely why. Lower rank people love Jeff cause his ult is pretty funny when you pull it off and cloak and dagger have a cool design so I see them being played all the time. I always run Luna tho cause of dat a$$
Um. Are you blind? Hard of hearing? He literally says mantis has the highest win rate and is the best support. Also her pick rate is insanely high. It's almost like you didn't watch the video
Rivals tip: Rename yourself to blank main, and have that blank be a hero you really dont like playing against or with so when you load into a game and the enemy sees your name is iron fist main, they ban it
@@gener3milliocan’t wait for tht seasonal bonus to be off for hela she needs a fundamental nerf by tht I mean either tune her damage a bit down which I honestly don’t want or change her from hitscan to projectile which I’m more in favor of plus give her some god damn damage drop off no reason I get sniped by a hela more often then a Hawkeye or widow 💀
My fav healer is Cloak and Dagger. I play them in Ranks all the time, and many times I am MVP. I think they have great dmg and healing! I'm glad they are not on ban list :D
I'm not going to say you have no idea what you're talking about with Storm, one cause you are very knowledgeable and two i don't play much of her, but in the beta she was recking teams in tournament play. I think people need more time to get good with her and she's very team reliant/synergistic cause she's kind of a sudo-support.
@@peterblood8074 Seasonal bufs dont exist the dmg boost is from there teams if they did happen example: Hela gets a dmg boost with thor or loki and Hawkeye gets a dmg boost with widow.
Hulk being high up is pretty obvious based on what I just saw when I checked. The top win rates are Iron Man, Wolverine, and then Hulk now. Then factor in that Dr Strange is seen as the best Vanguard in the game at the moment. He has versatile team ups, and that is combined with a lower percentage of players learning and mastering him which I bet also helps his winrate ironically as less people will use him in low ranks due to original opinions being that he was a bad Vanguard.
I main him and hes really good if you know what youre doing but you cant solo tank in most cases and you need youre dps players to capitalize on youre pressure towards the backline
Hulk is strong because he’s paired with strange,strange can easily solo tank while hulk takes all the dmg and pressure from dps/supports in high lvl play at least
@@YMan-zo5kg his dmg is fine imo if you wanna give hulk a buff lower bubble cool down and give him faster start up on his jump so he can get in and out
@Stylosa, After watching your Moonknight gameplay, I'm so pissed because I can play his for sure but when I do I NEVER get heals unless they just happen to pass me by and throw one. It make me pissed because it fucks up my win-rate and makes me die just by leaving the spawn room most times. Then everyone blames me for being bad but really they never healed me. I'm Bronze II btw.
They shouldn't be. Most of the player base is not even using the characters correctly. This is some great early data, but take it with the grain of salt because technically even at the highest level in Ranked they still technically suck. (They're seriously not using the characters correctly)
Squirrel girl is so fun though. That said she's really good at area denial and choke points if you get into a situation that allows you to set up choke points. I've had *so* much success zoning several people by myself with just one Groot wall to help.
i one trick rocket and he is honestly such a sleeper pick from just being able to keep people alive from anywhere at any time, and i think if more people mained him, and played to his strengths as the game progresses, he would really shine, as his damage, movement / survivability, ult, and rez can be crazy even tho he doesnt have a stun, his win-rate is really high compared to most of the strategiests and i think its just down to the skill ceiling with the mobility, timing, and positioning; this is especially true for people who abuse the wall crawl
First off, squirrel girl does a ton of damage with her projectiles, you just gotta be able to hit people with them. Calling her a poor dps is insane to me. Also saying the two supports are way better than the others tells me you have bias one and are being too data oriented which goes completely against what you said at the start of the video. Second, Mantis being able to do as much as she can is nuts and helpful, but it's all mostly passive stuff, and since I'm not great with landing projectiles you need to compensate for, her damage is what isn't great for me, wish she has something different. Her stun is also amazing since it can be used to sleep someone about to ult like Magneto or Scarlet Witch. Again, just gotta hit them.
She has trash mobility compared to pretty much every other dps. Cool she can jump high on a long cool down. Other dps get multiple jumps for the same thing and no cd. Her root isn’t even that good either
They are only saying luna and mantis are good because people use them like dps with a side of healing, but their heal is weaker then jeff, if you have a jeff healing you your pretty much not dying.
I think a good buff for widow would be to give her piercing damage maybe? That way she could be more useful against shields and bubbles withought being too OP. Obviously the damage would be reduced per target pierced, but i thinkbthat might be a good enough buff to oush her into, B maybe low A tier.
Lol she lowkey needs a grapple but blizzard would cry even more about copying. That power jump just doesn’t cut it, can barely reach half the high ground spots with it.
I think they should nerf Hela, Hawkeye, Luna, and Mantis. I used to think they should buff Iron Man, but I don't think so anymore. Nerfing the former two is an indirect buff to Iron Man. It should be enough. I'm an Iron Man main btw
Luna and Mantis are incredible at shutting down heroes like Iron Fist that want to dive backlines. They both also have the potential to shut down Psylocke solo ult combos on its startup, but the timing takes some effort to get into. Ironically, the best strategists to avoid that scenario without an ult are Rocket's mobility and Loki's general shenanigans, but neither are as effective overall (though personally I think Loki's got untapped potential he's just more effort for a hero with different strengths). Oh also if you're a crackrd Adam his charged laser can just remove people sometimes. Another note, Mantis sedate is easier to land usually, but Luna freeze not having an arc means you can catch airborne targets easier and have a longer range overall. Those two truly are sidegrades to each other as far as I'm concerned. I'm just glad that Magik is a specialist hero that will basically never get banned in my games unless I become notorious in top 500 for her (which will never happen mostly for dedication reasons, not that I'm currently good enough for that anyway) since I love playing with her and she's a dark horse of a character that is uncommon enougj due to her uniqueness that people aren't usually ready for the Magik specialist instead of the Magik tourist.
in my opinion my fav healer is cloak and dagger, i ALWAYS have the most heals in game, maybe once in a blue moon someone will out heal me but it's pretty rare in my experience
12:12 "If you have Iron Fist coming after you, and you're Rocket...." I see you are not good at Rocket. One of the reasons he's one of the top supports is self-sustain and out-running flankers. He's not an easy target. If he was, then his relay is useless. Edit: I don't understand why Psylocke gets banned as much as she does. She is such a fair hero in any of my matches. It's easy to see and hear her coming, you have plenty of time to react. Her damage is not insane. It's really just her Ultimate is hard to react to because she can all-in. Stealth dash Ulti, then dash out. I am high Diamond, but maybe she's just incredibly strong at top 500.
Exactly, bro anytime there’s a iron fist, just sit by the generator, wait for a super jump, and just keep your cooldowns ready. I’m almost GM one tricking rocket, and it’s so fun running away lmao another thing you learn after playing him for so long is not to worry about healing yourself when ur running away. Running away while healing gets you killed Horizontal wall run with the occasional up down and then healing when ur away is the right way
@@Theblackprogressive1911 Not healing yourself? Lol, hasn't been a problem so far. Maybe when I'm in the GM level it'll get harder to run without healing me and my team at the same time XD.
@ no no I mean when your getting dove, his healing is great because it’ll bounce off of you first, what I’m saying is in those moments when you get dove by like an iron fist or psylocke, just focus on getting on the wall first and escaping, shooting while wall running gets u killed Especially with a good hela or Hawkeye Also quick tip Through out the generator before the fight and tell everyone to take a shield Extra 25 health for everyone before the fight
All the wrong takes in one comment here i see. Rocket is not top supports. Luna snow mantis and adam warlock/cloak and dagger is. Psylocke is extremely easy to play. Theres a reason why she gets banned its cus shes top 3 dps
I have about a 60% winrate on Wolverine. I was in Silver 2, got into a tilt streak and fell bacl to Bronze 3. Whoops. Anyway, if you have reliable healers, my boy is unstoppable.
Unfortunately I don't think people are going to learn the biggest lesson of this game and other hero shooters for a long time. I understand you want to have fun on your iron fist, BP, or Spiderman but, remember this is a team based game. You're not going to solo the entire enemy team, even the best players can't do that. If the enemy team has both heros with auto target abilities C&D and scarlet witch or 2-3 CC abilities just swap off. You're going to be targeted with that CC and melted, your strategists can't just teleport 100+ meters to save you. Part of getting better is knowing when to swap
Best part of the groot team up is a free escape for jeff or rocket It has no cooldown and you can activate it from decently far away Still not the best but has more use than just sitting on the shoulders
Iron man’s ult can also counter Luna snows ult and just one shot her out of it. Idk about mantis’s, but that may be another reason he does better than expected.
The state of Scarlet Witch is so disappointing to me. She's my favourite marvel character, I installed this game to play her, but she's absolutely awful and a throw pick past bronze. There's nothing in her kit that you can really practice and get good at to get value out of her, and there's not really anything she does that some other character doesn't do better. Seeing her at the bottom really doesn't surprise me. I hope they rework her.
If I could pick a character to take out of the game, it would b Jeff. They never heal enough when on my team, but when they’re on the enemy team the always environmental me. If your main mode of being useful is killing yourself, a design failure has occurred.
It's kind of refreshing to see "B" tier characters actually seeing the most success. They're not really bad or mediocre, they have to be used in the right situations and played the right way and they'll be quite strong. Gonna be interesting to see the balance changes going forward since many of these results are not at all what people expected.
@@chekerz123456789 That's true, but in LoL (for example) the strongest champions that split that are the most banned still have the highest win rates since they stomp the game if they are allowed to be played. But in this game you can mirror match so I guess if Hela or Hawkeye goes unbanned, both teams play them and then it ends up being a 50/50.
Everyone needs to remember the meta isn’t law. Every single hero in the game can be found in Top 500 players stat pages, even Wolverine and Iron Man who are generally considered to be two of the worst heroes in the game. If you’re good at the game, you can get value out of any hero
Wolverine is a tank killer period. His damage is based on percentage of hit points on the enemy, a.ka. Tanks have much higher health-pools. Luna Snow gives freeze bonuses to a couple of heroes so players frequently ask for her. Magnetos powers are so brief compared to Strange. Also Hela has bonus damage right now, seasonal. Also stop saying “he” when referring to female heroes 😉 top player in the world plays Iron Man. Very interesting gameplay I watched his video. I tried it out it works good
Rocket is S tier, almost at GM one tricking him Rez is goated His healing when timed correctly is disgusting And if I had better tracking with his shooting, he is a total tank buster
Fr i went up against a racoon who had 70 k healing and only like 7 deaths in comp where everyone was dying/brawling alot racoon's mobility and self healing is insane I also need to try and go on flanks to destroy the rez beacon wich wastes soo much time and most of the time u just can't destroy it literal nightmare the teamup w punisher and bucke is insane.(Im a gm bp player btw)
I think mantis and Luna snow are way over tuned. I’ve been playing almost exclusively Captain America because he’s my favorite character and I have a lot of fun playing him. But it seems like 80% of the time I’m playing against one or both of them and every match I go up against those characters is brutal. You constantly get CCed their healing is insane and they do tons of damage on top of it. Not to mention they’re just spam characters they just spam whatever’s in front of them and get value whether they’re hitting an or an enemy. I think if they’re gonna leave those characters broken and they need to get some more damage to characters like Captain America or at least give his shield or something or HP. He feels a little bit underpowered to compare to other characters in my opinion.
The storm hate is unwarranted 😂 for her it “makes sense” but others are underrated. she’s only on least played and with that understanding also the least banned list but she’s the worst hero. I thought we weren’t making blanket statements
Hearing you talk about high level gameplay as you put 16,000 shots into Magneto ultimate in the background gameplay really lost you some legitimacy LMFAO
Been maining Magik since the beta and literally climbed to diamond just playing her. Get MVP in most games. To see that she isn't a crazy pick yet fills me with joy XD RISE MAGIK MAINS
I always find it funny in these games that we get access to crazy unique heros. But everyone plays the most basic shooter heros that just click stuff. Lol Idk what attracts you guys to this game but playing hitscan and clicking heads is NOT what brought me here haha
Can anyone reply? How is it his gameplay is so smooth on this tokyo shin shibuya map? Is it in low settings 1080p? I have an rtx 3070 and 5800x, using 1440p with dlss medium to high settings and on this map and sometimes on other maps, it feelks like fps drops..any help
Well obviously coz he probably has the highest end setup. Pretty much every content creator does or they get sponsored by some PC brand. Having a 4090 9800X3D tends to result in a smoother gameplay.
Im believing wolverines winrate is purely due to the low amount of dedicated individuals that play them. And i wish them luck on their chosen path of immense suffering. Silly choice you goober
I really don't like the idea of banning a hero just because you know someone else mains them. That information should really be obscured from the enemy until after bans.
I have a win percentage of 75% with 300 matches played and 50 losses. I only play magik and im high diamond competing for top 500 console. I hope this game does not balance off these stats or this game will face the same as overwatch
Wolverines grab needs to be tuned. The amount of misses is crazy. I'd say a small damage buff to him too. To many characters can get just get away and when u combine that with someone peeling. You aren't killing shit
Agreed, his leap needs to go where the crosshairs are,he needs either an actual passive healing factor or lifesteal with his attacks. The way his HF is now is just a joke,it kicks in WAY too late and does jack for actual healing. I love playing him,but I don't feel like the best there is at what he does,unless it's dieing, then yeah,I'd be the best there was. But I feel like a regular dude with claw gloves on.
@@fragileparadox8658 she definitely doesn't need SM to be good at all. Also, do people not use cover with her? You don't need to be in their faces or the lane to do well. I'm convinced the community just sucks with her, like they do with Wolverine.
Don't worry. Penny will be top G soon. Penny & Hulk are the only tanks in the top 10. Win rate on Hulk is higher by 1% compared to Penny but penny has the higher pick rate by over 10%
Hero bans are dumb. Once I hit plat, I just throw a few games to derank to gold or silver. Because if I win too many I’ll hit diamond and then have to deal with bad design.
Kinda sounds like you're a 1 trick who would rather tank their own rank than learn to play other characters. Hero bans are good and prevent people from spamming the current overpowered character and being forced to counter pick said overpowered character every time.
Dan the dude that sucks off OW stop making rivals content since he won’t admit it’s a better game?!? Sty your washed up and refuse to admit it when you’re wrong so stop making this content!
fucking love wolverine. 70% winrate up to diamond but I still get flamed at first because people think he is shit
Because he is 😭
Same, i got to plat 1 tricking wolverine, but man am I still trash with the hero😂.
@@jacobistrash7623 He really isn't. He just takes a lot of skill and good coordination.
@@TehLightraven he is though he’s good at 1 thing and 1 thing only and that’s 1v1ing tanks
@@TehLightraven The amount of effort required for a character to flourish is accounted for when people determine how good or bad they are. Wolverine requires more coordination than Hela for example, which makes him weaker in that aspect. Another example is that Wolverine's gameplay is far more linear: nuke the tank. In situations outside of this gameplay, Wolverine fairs worse than say Hela for example.
And now it begins. Stat videos like these are what give the average Joe a reason to start flaming people into playing meta
i'm happy that this game is popping off. it's great to see so many channels finally have something to get excited about again
As a one trick magik main, I loved hearing those stats. Underplayed, never banned, and viable. Really validates my putting time into this character
Deadasssss i love magik and currently have a 75% win percentage and im ab 2 ranks from top 500, i wish hawkeye didnt get banned as much since i LOVE to duo que with a ranged character as magik is such a underrated combo.
Yessir, literally all I play is Magik and have got to diamond pretty easily
I love when i get a magik that goes crazy with my captain america. I am the shield, and she is our SWORD
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Magik is my main too, so good
Every time you say "Jeff" I think of Kaplan and shed a tear
If they change Cloak's Dark Teleportation skill to not auto cancel when your allies take basically any action, they would jump up very high in popularity. Being able to essentially erase an ult with the skill would be crazy. But with how it works now, it just is not worth taking in higher ranks as much as the others.
Exactly. It’s really annoying that C&D have such an annoying restriction on that ability, and I don’t understand why.
Adam / Loki press one button and get strong invulnerability’s that tank / negate entire ultimates. They don’t have to predict, like Cloak & Dagger do, they can just react. And they don’t have to deal with the downtime of swap animations. Yet Cloak allies lose invuln if they simply reload. Make it make sense 😭
Even if the devs changed that though, I still don’t know if C&D would be as competitive, because their ultimate is not that good. I know people like to talk about stacking the dashes for huge heals, but Luna & Mantis ults do the same thing for less effort (and for a longer duration in Luna’s case.) Those ults are easier to use reactively and teammates are much more likely to, you know, stand in them. 🤦♀️
The reason why hulk is so strong is because his stun allows him to completely disable someone for a few seconds allowing him to do damage to someone else.
He has great AOE shielding for his team or whoever is near him.
Decent and consistent mobility.
Ultimate that can be used for high displacement and damage and the ability to lock one person down.
And is a great tank buster and works with other characters that are also good at tank busting.
Combine all these together and he's very strong but for the average player he's very difficult to play and requires team coordination.
once you get to gm him and iron man are pretty much banned every other match
@@caneaim really I’ve never seen any of them get banned in my game ? It’s either hela,snow,Hawkeye and peni
Yeah but he can't be the solo tank, he gets melted instantly so he needs Strange to be there with him to shield.
@@jacobistrash7623 it’s quite common when you recognize the insane iron mans on enemy/friendly team xD. especially when amano and rymazing are queued together. but really, hulk and iron mans teamup ability is so broken one of them is banned in my games.
lol still the worst character next to Wolverine though.
As a diamond C&D one-trick, I was shocked to see their stats. That is an abysmal winrate for a hero with a pickrate so high. But after thinking about it, it makes sense.
Their strongest defensive ability - Cloak’s shroud - is also their most inconsistent. Any teammate you’re trying to save loses invuln status if they do literally anything - even reload!
There’s also the downside that Dagger has to swap to use the shroud, which is downtime that other supports don’t have. It makes saving teammates from ults more of a prediction game, whereas most other strategists can simply react. Loki / Adam can press Shift. Luna / Mantis can press Q. It’s just easier. 🤷♀️ And even if you do correctly predict the enemy ult as Cloak & Dagger, the payoff isn’t worth it because your teammate will sneeze in the wrong direction, lose invuln, and die.
Very unfortunate for my favorite hero.
I hope they get rid of the seasonal bonus but give them some utility buffs. I think they'll need them
Loving the Marvel Rivals content Sty, keep it up!
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The pickrate for supports and tanks if going to be much higher on average since theres less of them.
A few of your takes are kinda insane. Been playing GM matches and nobody is sleeping on Mantis. The fact is Luna is just all around better so she gets banned more. Also Moon Knight isn't bad at higher ranks, he's picked quite often still and gets a ton of value.
Exactly, I’m only diamond 1 but the Moon Knight take is wild hes picked in most of my games since hela and Hawkeye are banned and people frag out on him. Mantis is not slept on at all as well
@@brixtonblasi2321he said he’s gold 1 so that’s likely why. Lower rank people love Jeff cause his ult is pretty funny when you pull it off and cloak and dagger have a cool design so I see them being played all the time. I always run Luna tho cause of dat a$$
One of the first things he says is mantis has a high pick rate.
Um. Are you blind? Hard of hearing? He literally says mantis has the highest win rate and is the best support. Also her pick rate is insanely high. It's almost like you didn't watch the video
Rivals tip: Rename yourself to blank main, and have that blank be a hero you really dont like playing against or with so when you load into a game and the enemy sees your name is iron fist main, they ban it
Getting one-shot by a mindlessly shooting Hawkeye as I turn a corner gives me Hanzo vibes and I want to cry. I thought he was supposed to be balanced.
they give him 20 % free domage all game cause he dont have active team up , same for hela that why there are broken
@@gener3milliocan’t wait for tht seasonal bonus to be off for hela she needs a fundamental nerf by tht I mean either tune her damage a bit down which I honestly don’t want or change her from hitscan to projectile which I’m more in favor of plus give her some god damn damage drop off no reason I get sniped by a hela more often then a Hawkeye or widow 💀
My fav healer is Cloak and Dagger. I play them in Ranks all the time, and many times I am MVP. I think they have great dmg and healing! I'm glad they are not on ban list :D
I'm not going to say you have no idea what you're talking about with Storm, one cause you are very knowledgeable and two i don't play much of her, but in the beta she was recking teams in tournament play. I think people need more time to get good with her and she's very team reliant/synergistic cause she's kind of a sudo-support.
Can't wait for the balance patch to come out and make these heroes we rarely see actually useful. All my homies hate Hawkeye and Hela.
Hella and Hawkeye have a seasonal buff. They probably actually suck ass
@@peterblood8074 Seasonal bufs dont exist the dmg boost is from there teams if they did happen example: Hela gets a dmg boost with thor or loki and Hawkeye gets a dmg boost with widow.
@ wrong. Go test venoms Hp with and without the team up
Hulk being high up is pretty obvious based on what I just saw when I checked. The top win rates are Iron Man, Wolverine, and then Hulk now. Then factor in that Dr Strange is seen as the best Vanguard in the game at the moment. He has versatile team ups, and that is combined with a lower percentage of players learning and mastering him which I bet also helps his winrate ironically as less people will use him in low ranks due to original opinions being that he was a bad Vanguard.
I main him and hes really good if you know what youre doing but you cant solo tank in most cases and you need youre dps players to capitalize on youre pressure towards the backline
I think hulk can be a good defensive switch to hold point on overtime. Would imagine that’s why his win rate is good but number of plays is low
Hulk is strong because he’s paired with strange,strange can easily solo tank while hulk takes all the dmg and pressure from dps/supports in high lvl play at least
I still feel like regardless of players making him work, he still needs a melee damage buff. Maybe remove the team up and give him a damage buff.
@@YMan-zo5kg his dmg is fine imo if you wanna give hulk a buff lower bubble cool down and give him faster start up on his jump so he can get in and out
Give him Winstons slam @@jacobistrash7623
@@jacobistrash7623he needs Winston's leap damage imo.
@@olofacosta3192for real i don’t play him and he’s a huge green brute but lands like he’s landing on pillows
Storm is very underrated.
Yeah I love her, hope the devs show her some love tho
@Stylosa, After watching your Moonknight gameplay, I'm so pissed because I can play his for sure but when I do I NEVER get heals unless they just happen to pass me by and throw one. It make me pissed because it fucks up my win-rate and makes me die just by leaving the spawn room most times. Then everyone blames me for being bad but really they never healed me. I'm Bronze II btw.
cloak and dagger mains we watching with tears 💔
They shouldn't be. Most of the player base is not even using the characters correctly.
This is some great early data, but take it with the grain of salt because technically even at the highest level in Ranked they still technically suck.
(They're seriously not using the characters correctly)
What I find crazy is how is punisher and winter soldier not hitscans?
Squirrel girl is so fun though. That said she's really good at area denial and choke points if you get into a situation that allows you to set up choke points. I've had *so* much success zoning several people by myself with just one Groot wall to help.
Another thing with Jeff is his gigantic head hitbox taking up his entire front half. Youd have to intentionally miss it to not head shot him.
0:50 I want people to understand, play whoever you want stop following a meta and be confident in your skill
Thanks for the videos stylosa. Something about your style keeps me coming back
i one trick rocket and he is honestly such a sleeper pick from just being able to keep people alive from anywhere at any time, and i think if more people mained him, and played to his strengths as the game progresses, he would really shine, as his damage, movement / survivability, ult, and rez can be crazy
even tho he doesnt have a stun, his win-rate is really high compared to most of the strategiests and i think its just down to the skill ceiling with the mobility, timing, and positioning; this is especially true for people who abuse the wall crawl
Psylocke doesn't need cooldown resets. Its not like her primary is hard to hit.
She needs her ult nerfed expeditiously
The primary fire spread and range is very forgiving for a character that’s supposed to be a CQC dive assassin imo.
First off, squirrel girl does a ton of damage with her projectiles, you just gotta be able to hit people with them. Calling her a poor dps is insane to me. Also saying the two supports are way better than the others tells me you have bias one and are being too data oriented which goes completely against what you said at the start of the video.
Second, Mantis being able to do as much as she can is nuts and helpful, but it's all mostly passive stuff, and since I'm not great with landing projectiles you need to compensate for, her damage is what isn't great for me, wish she has something different. Her stun is also amazing since it can be used to sleep someone about to ult like Magneto or Scarlet Witch. Again, just gotta hit them.
"You just need to hit people" applies to pretty much everyone lol. Even racoon will do good dmg if you dump the mag on someone
She has trash mobility compared to pretty much every other dps. Cool she can jump high on a long cool down. Other dps get multiple jumps for the same thing and no cd. Her root isn’t even that good either
They are only saying luna and mantis are good because people use them like dps with a side of healing, but their heal is weaker then jeff, if you have a jeff healing you your pretty much not dying.
Wooo Adam Warlock mains rise up!!!
Please keep dropping Marvel Rivals content
I think a good buff for widow would be to give her piercing damage maybe? That way she could be more useful against shields and bubbles withought being too OP. Obviously the damage would be reduced per target pierced, but i thinkbthat might be a good enough buff to oush her into, B maybe low A tier.
Lol she lowkey needs a grapple but blizzard would cry even more about copying. That power jump just doesn’t cut it, can barely reach half the high ground spots with it.
Top two team-ups happen to form a perfect team comp. Will be running this.
Guaranteed triple support becomes meta at some point due to Mantis (DPS in the Support slot). Well, that or 100% ban at high levels
Both mantis and luna need nerfs. WAY TOO GOOD SUSTAIN
@@olofacosta3192 screw that other supports need buffs if anything. Only thing op about mantis and luna snow is their ults.
I think they should nerf Hela, Hawkeye, Luna, and Mantis. I used to think they should buff Iron Man, but I don't think so anymore. Nerfing the former two is an indirect buff to Iron Man. It should be enough. I'm an Iron Man main btw
@o0rolyat0o Mantis sleep and damage is super powerful. Same thing with Luna. They both got good damage, mobility, utility and healing. They're busted
@ShadowbannedAccount I think Hulk receiving buffs would also make Iron man powerful as hell
Luna and Mantis are incredible at shutting down heroes like Iron Fist that want to dive backlines. They both also have the potential to shut down Psylocke solo ult combos on its startup, but the timing takes some effort to get into. Ironically, the best strategists to avoid that scenario without an ult are Rocket's mobility and Loki's general shenanigans, but neither are as effective overall (though personally I think Loki's got untapped potential he's just more effort for a hero with different strengths). Oh also if you're a crackrd Adam his charged laser can just remove people sometimes.
Another note, Mantis sedate is easier to land usually, but Luna freeze not having an arc means you can catch airborne targets easier and have a longer range overall. Those two truly are sidegrades to each other as far as I'm concerned.
I'm just glad that Magik is a specialist hero that will basically never get banned in my games unless I become notorious in top 500 for her (which will never happen mostly for dedication reasons, not that I'm currently good enough for that anyway) since I love playing with her and she's a dark horse of a character that is uncommon enougj due to her uniqueness that people aren't usually ready for the Magik specialist instead of the Magik tourist.
in my opinion my fav healer is cloak and dagger, i ALWAYS have the most heals in game, maybe once in a blue moon someone will out heal me but it's pretty rare in my experience
Squirl girl can be a good pick on maps with lots of choke points or when defending the Kart.
12:12 "If you have Iron Fist coming after you, and you're Rocket...."
I see you are not good at Rocket. One of the reasons he's one of the top supports is self-sustain and out-running flankers. He's not an easy target. If he was, then his relay is useless.
Edit: I don't understand why Psylocke gets banned as much as she does. She is such a fair hero in any of my matches. It's easy to see and hear her coming, you have plenty of time to react. Her damage is not insane. It's really just her Ultimate is hard to react to because she can all-in. Stealth dash Ulti, then dash out. I am high Diamond, but maybe she's just incredibly strong at top 500.
Exactly, bro anytime there’s a iron fist, just sit by the generator, wait for a super jump, and just keep your cooldowns ready.
I’m almost GM one tricking rocket, and it’s so fun running away lmao another thing you learn after playing him for so long is not to worry about healing yourself when ur running away. Running away while healing gets you killed
Horizontal wall run with the occasional up down and then healing when ur away is the right way
@@Theblackprogressive1911 Not healing yourself? Lol, hasn't been a problem so far. Maybe when I'm in the GM level it'll get harder to run without healing me and my team at the same time XD.
@ no no I mean when your getting dove, his healing is great because it’ll bounce off of you first, what I’m saying is in those moments when you get dove by like an iron fist or psylocke, just focus on getting on the wall first and escaping, shooting while wall running gets u killed
Especially with a good hela or Hawkeye
Also quick tip
Through out the generator before the fight and tell everyone to take a shield
Extra 25 health for everyone before the fight
All the wrong takes in one comment here i see. Rocket is not top supports. Luna snow mantis and adam warlock/cloak and dagger is. Psylocke is extremely easy to play. Theres a reason why she gets banned its cus shes top 3 dps
@jjonass2939 did you actually look at the list or watch the video? Cloak is terrible, and Luna is just "okay."
Hi sty, been watching you for years now. Appreciate all the content. You should stream in twitch if you don’t already, I would definitely watch.
Punisher is flipping fantastic, never underestimate squirrel girl, her ultimate isn't good, but she can deal SIGNIFICANT damage, even around corners
Luna snow and Mantis players; plz don't ult at the same time.
Silver two or one, Wolverine is my highest played character, and last time I checked I have about 15hrs or more, with a positive win rate
I have about a 60% winrate on Wolverine. I was in Silver 2, got into a tilt streak and fell bacl to Bronze 3. Whoops. Anyway, if you have reliable healers, my boy is unstoppable.
@21:44 that is super accurate in my case 🤣🤣. Got to Diamond with Iron Fist and now he’s pretty mid. Black panther can be a menace tho lol
Unfortunately I don't think people are going to learn the biggest lesson of this game and other hero shooters for a long time.
I understand you want to have fun on your iron fist, BP, or Spiderman but, remember this is a team based game. You're not going to solo the entire enemy team, even the best players can't do that. If the enemy team has both heros with auto target abilities C&D and scarlet witch or 2-3 CC abilities just swap off. You're going to be targeted with that CC and melted, your strategists can't just teleport 100+ meters to save you. Part of getting better is knowing when to swap
Best part of the groot team up is a free escape for jeff or rocket
It has no cooldown and you can activate it from decently far away
Still not the best but has more use than just sitting on the shoulders
Iron man’s ult can also counter Luna snows ult and just one shot her out of it. Idk about mantis’s, but that may be another reason he does better than expected.
The state of Scarlet Witch is so disappointing to me. She's my favourite marvel character, I installed this game to play her, but she's absolutely awful and a throw pick past bronze. There's nothing in her kit that you can really practice and get good at to get value out of her, and there's not really anything she does that some other character doesn't do better. Seeing her at the bottom really doesn't surprise me. I hope they rework her.
If I could pick a character to take out of the game, it would b Jeff. They never heal enough when on my team, but when they’re on the enemy team the always environmental me. If your main mode of being useful is killing yourself, a design failure has occurred.
How do you band hero? Is it like dota? I play competitive and theres no ban..
It's kind of refreshing to see "B" tier characters actually seeing the most success. They're not really bad or mediocre, they have to be used in the right situations and played the right way and they'll be quite strong. Gonna be interesting to see the balance changes going forward since many of these results are not at all what people expected.
You also have to take into account the fact that hela and Hawkeye are banned most if not all games
@@chekerz123456789 That's true, but in LoL (for example) the strongest champions that split that are the most banned still have the highest win rates since they stomp the game if they are allowed to be played. But in this game you can mirror match so I guess if Hela or Hawkeye goes unbanned, both teams play them and then it ends up being a 50/50.
@@fredxu99 ohhh yeah I guess that is true. I didn’t realize you could mirror for some reason even though that’s the most duh thing lol
Wow that ult at 7:40 was so sad. Killed almost the whole team and did absolutely fuck all lol
Yeah IDK why people complain about venom. He’s really average at best
If you have cracked aim, Luna Snow is by far the strongest support. By far. Cloak and Dagger is second, if you know how to use her
Everyone needs to remember the meta isn’t law. Every single hero in the game can be found in Top 500 players stat pages, even Wolverine and Iron Man who are generally considered to be two of the worst heroes in the game. If you’re good at the game, you can get value out of any hero
I don't even need to watch the video to know hawkeye and hela are at the top.
You see the winrates and things don't add up. But consider that there are hero bans for all broken onea
Not to mention the season buffs as well for some of these
The same people saying jeff is bad are the first one yelling and crying he to hard to kill like they did with mercy in overwatch.
Wolverine is a tank killer period. His damage is based on percentage of hit points on the enemy, a.ka. Tanks have much higher health-pools. Luna Snow gives freeze bonuses to a couple of heroes so players frequently ask for her. Magnetos powers are so brief compared to Strange. Also Hela has bonus damage right now, seasonal. Also stop saying “he” when referring to female heroes 😉 top player in the world plays Iron Man. Very interesting gameplay I watched his video. I tried it out it works good
Can someone drop where to find these numbers
I’m a rocket raccoon main 😢 my boy always get hated on. His gun is actually pretty good
Rocket is S tier, almost at GM one tricking him
Rez is goated
His healing when timed correctly is disgusting
And if I had better tracking with his shooting, he is a total tank buster
Fr i went up against a racoon who had 70 k healing and only like 7 deaths in comp where everyone was dying/brawling alot racoon's mobility and self healing is insane I also need to try and go on flanks to destroy the rez beacon wich wastes soo much time and most of the time u just can't destroy it literal nightmare the teamup w punisher and bucke is insane.(Im a gm bp player btw)
Mantis Ult doesnt make her immune xD
It just gives a metric ton of health over time
this was a very useful video. Just got to take it with a grain of salt.
I think mantis and Luna snow are way over tuned. I’ve been playing almost exclusively Captain America because he’s my favorite character and I have a lot of fun playing him. But it seems like 80% of the time I’m playing against one or both of them and every match I go up against those characters is brutal. You constantly get CCed their healing is insane and they do tons of damage on top of it. Not to mention they’re just spam characters they just spam whatever’s in front of them and get value whether they’re hitting an or an enemy. I think if they’re gonna leave those characters broken and they need to get some more damage to characters like Captain America or at least give his shield or something or HP. He feels a little bit underpowered to compare to other characters in my opinion.
Brain dead. How is shooting at people spam? Every character in the damn game does that
This mantis gameplay is... something...
The storm hate is unwarranted 😂 for her it “makes sense” but others are underrated. she’s only on least played and with that understanding also the least banned list but she’s the worst hero. I thought we weren’t making blanket statements
Hearing you talk about high level gameplay as you put 16,000 shots into Magneto ultimate in the background gameplay really lost you some legitimacy LMFAO
I think mantis and luna dont get banned cuz they are just too good to ban. And bc the banned heroes are just stupid op
Acting surprised about MANTIS is kinda funny lol
Dude I am pretty sure Hela is a fast projectile, what you can see/feel from very far
3 video's ago you were raving about Widow ... now you're saying she's bad. ;-)
1CORINTHIANS 13:13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love. 💗
Been maining Magik since the beta and literally climbed to diamond just playing her. Get MVP in most games. To see that she isn't a crazy pick yet fills me with joy XD RISE MAGIK MAINS
Playing groot with a pocket jeff is so fun
Damn u Jeff
I always find it funny in these games that we get access to crazy unique heros. But everyone plays the most basic shooter heros that just click stuff. Lol Idk what attracts you guys to this game but playing hitscan and clicking heads is NOT what brought me here haha
No Hero is OP but the players who play it are OP
There is definitely OP heroes. There is also completely useless / trash heroes. Skill just adds to it
As a Jeff main ive 1v1 iron fist quite a few times and won. Diamond console probably has way worse players tho. 😂
Assumptions are never good. And the tiers is the only column thats matters cause it takes into account play rate abd winrate.
Harsh truth is, 10 characters are OP af, 10 are decent, and 10 are just complete trash lol (jus throwin random numbers out)
Can anyone reply? How is it his gameplay is so smooth on this tokyo shin shibuya map? Is it in low settings 1080p? I have an rtx 3070 and 5800x, using 1440p with dlss medium to high settings and on this map and sometimes on other maps, it feelks like fps drops..any help
Well obviously coz he probably has the highest end setup. Pretty much every content creator does or they get sponsored by some PC brand. Having a 4090 9800X3D tends to result in a smoother gameplay.
PLEASE DEVS BUFF CLOAK AND DAGGER 😭
Im believing wolverines winrate is purely due to the low amount of dedicated individuals that play them. And i wish them luck on their chosen path of immense suffering. Silly choice you goober
All the top players are 6 stacking. The list is skewed.
Wolverine bans is against TeamCaptain lol.
I really don't like the idea of banning a hero just because you know someone else mains them. That information should really be obscured from the enemy until after bans.
This is only an issue for the top of the top lmao.
Don’t sweat over it.
@@LFanimes333 What if they ARE the top of the top? 🤔
As a console player I see I log in and play a totally different game everyday 😂😂
I have a win percentage of 75% with 300 matches played and 50 losses. I only play magik and im high diamond competing for top 500 console. I hope this game does not balance off these stats or this game will face the same as overwatch
Wolverines grab needs to be tuned. The amount of misses is crazy. I'd say a small damage buff to him too. To many characters can get just get away and when u combine that with someone peeling. You aren't killing shit
Agreed, his leap needs to go where the crosshairs are,he needs either an actual passive healing factor or lifesteal with his attacks. The way his HF is now is just a joke,it kicks in WAY too late and does jack for actual healing. I love playing him,but I don't feel like the best there is at what he does,unless it's dieing, then yeah,I'd be the best there was. But I feel like a regular dude with claw gloves on.
skill issue
I despise jeff
6:54 shes not immune in her ult, a widow will change that lol
Squirrel Girl isn't good? Way to completely discredit anything you say from this point forward. She's amazing.
For real
She’s meh. What works at lower ELO doesn’t negate a difference in power on paper at the higher levels.
@@jaredpeterson5686 she's definitely not meh.
She’s strong mostly with spider-man team up otherwise she still gets destroyed by aerial heroes/snipers
@@fragileparadox8658 she definitely doesn't need SM to be good at all. Also, do people not use cover with her? You don't need to be in their faces or the lane to do well. I'm convinced the community just sucks with her, like they do with Wolverine.
No mention of Penny. That can be either very encouraging or very bad news
Don't worry. Penny will be top G soon. Penny & Hulk are the only tanks in the top 10. Win rate on Hulk is higher by 1% compared to Penny but penny has the higher pick rate by over 10%
I can see why Jeff is bad at high ranks and im hard stuck bronze lmao
Hardstuck bronze is crazy
@@PewPewShootEmUp Nothing wrong with Bronze. About 70% are in bronze ?
I’d argue Mantis is the best and Cloak and Dagger as second best.
I wanna see husk in the game
Hero bans are dumb. Once I hit plat, I just throw a few games to derank to gold or silver. Because if I win too many I’ll hit diamond and then have to deal with bad design.
Kinda sounds like you're a 1 trick who would rather tank their own rank than learn to play other characters. Hero bans are good and prevent people from spamming the current overpowered character and being forced to counter pick said overpowered character every time.
Don't see how it's a problem unless you're carried by the meta
Dan the dude that sucks off OW stop making rivals content since he won’t admit it’s a better game?!? Sty your washed up and refuse to admit it when you’re wrong so stop making this content!