OW2 tried to cut off its own playerbase to capture zoomers who spend $20 on skins like its nothing, captured nobody, then went back to pandering to the OW1 crowd like a toxic ex who though they could upgrade
But, Marvel Rivals literally has $30 skins, and a shittier unlock system. The "Battle Pass" means you need to earn currency before you can progress, which means completing specific objectives rather than just through gameplay ala Overwatch. So it's objectively, literally a more expensive system that gives you less than OW2's system does. To compound matters, most of the customisation options can't even be 'purchased' through the store, which is where most players would think to look for them. Instead you have to go through a dozen windows to find individual character customisations and then find one you don't own. Even THEN it doesn't differentiate between ones you still need to unlock and ones you can buy with currency. Literally everything about the Marvel Rival in game store is worse than OW2. I still enjoy playing the game, but I'd rather have less gymnastics needed to find what you actually need.
@heraldoffire5104 first, MR gives you coins that are a 1-1 conversion of real money, so those $30 could quite literally be free from paying for them. 2nd, the quests the game gives (so far) are easy, I've completed literally all but 1 just from playing casually. OW2 quite literally gives you nothing but useless items, or low quality BS like OW1 skins or recolors. You get NOTHING unless you shill out real money for a battle pass that is arguably one of the greediest battle passes in gaming that was borderline pay-to-win at some point. You are quite literally making things up
As a Xbox owner that was happy of there purchase of Activision/ blizzard 🥶 i see right now there are indeed getting a one two punch by both poe2 and Marvel rivals 👀 i seriously think 🤔💭 they need to do damage control to the game. Imo MR is a so much better put together game and give me that fun factor ive been craving since ow1. I can't tell i when last i play ow2 maybe 6months ago? M/R and poe2 everyday point taken hell i stop playing destiny 2 because of this.
@17TrillSeeker Blizzard USED to be my favourite development team. Back when D2, starcraft and warcraft were their love children. Now? They lead the charge on milking their audiences for EVERY cent they can and i just can't support that shit anymore
@@sebasteanjanzen1210 these ppl fail to understand when you stop listening to your fans/consumer you gonna shot your in the foot and you go full corporate 👀 .
Netease is huge but seeing a company much smaller than blizzard delivering a product 10 times better with poe2 matching even graphic quality should be a wake up call to invest more in the game other than monetization for sure, it's not like they don't have the resources.
I mean, it's Marvel? It's been around since what, the 1940's? There's literally 100's of heroes and 100's of variations based off of those same heroes.
No it's still looking really stupid. And you look stupid for making this comment lmao. Overwatch's PVE was ALWAYS bad, dumping resources into making more of it was a fools errand
@@Adam-vx6to ya the game is performing fine, but it still has a terrible reputation. Almost all of the people that play the game hate it, but they stay because for the longest time Overwatch never had any kind of alternative on the same level. Since Rivals came out, Overwatch players are flocking over to that game now. The Rivals devs prioritize players having fun, the Overwatch devs prioritize expensive skins and balancing the game around the top 500 competitive players. Now that Overwatch has competition, who knows if it’ll keep doing well.
@@racmanov I completely agree, the reason balance is so shocking is because they have 0 clue. They go on what they see in their game dev play tests and what the statistics say. Nothing about the actual player base and strangely nothing about the top 500 players.
@@racmanov TOP 500 doesn't comprise majority of the entire playerbase...you get back to a business decision of pleasing the majority or the minority...
Comment is toxic af. Its like saying 'well, i always played overwatch, but i found a new game i like more and now i start talking trash about overwatch'. Ughh..
Overwatch is getting 40k players daily on steam, the launch of marvel rivals barely impacted it and the player count has been going up since the start of season 9 This game is not sinking
This whole narrative that hero shooters are over saturated is complete BS that games journalist came up with to cope with concord. It's the same as "super hero fatigue", no people are sick of BAD GAMES AND MOVIES!
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I'm sick of superheroes. How about that? Literally haven't watched a single superhero movies since Spiderman 2.
Exactly. Rivals is adored because it pays homage to the source material, fans love that shit. They build it and we come to play our favorite heroes and all these journalists try to do is get an article out so they can make a name for themselves. The Blizz CEO calling out Rivals for saying Black Widow copied Widowmaker made me laugh so hard - "Hey, Unreal Tournament 2003 called and the robot Widowmaker demands its name back." The fact he deleted that tweet was icing on the cake.
Played OW for three hours last night, loved it and had a blast. That being said, I was playing 6v6, if it was standard 5v5 I probably would have switched to Rivals after 30 minutes. 😂 If they keep 6v6 I'll be happy to bounce back and forth between the two.
6v6 is the only reason I have been playing OW2 at all. I accidentally joined a 5v5 game and said "oops, I thought I hit 6v6" and left immediately lol. They just need to decrease the damage output so TTK is increased, but the gameplay is already more enjoyable than 5v5, even with the outrageous damage.
100% exactly what I was saying. I don't even think I would be touching the game in 5v5 I'm over it. I gave it 2 years it's just an inferior version of the game
what’s crazy is that net ease had shares and directory with blizzard, specifically Overwatch, when Bobby was in office, he fired the entire net ease directive, and now they come back with marvel rivals, I feel like this is karma, they had amazing management with net ease and now they are losing community
(I'm doing this as a funny joke (and truth), I hope you (the reader(s)) laugh too) It's over for overwatch. It's overwhelming how marvel rivals just toppled over OV. It's obvious to me tho because overwatch kinda shot through their victim/target/shooted/holed/caped and shot there life systems. They shouldn't have been just trying to use their community as a money printer, by just giving random over priced BS. Hopefully I'm not overwhelming you you with over over and over again, they are over tho all you have to do it watch. With all that texted I do genuinely hope that the good devs get a good job. Most If not all of this BS about OVERwatch is done by the CEO type people. The devs obviously love the game they just can't make something good unless it sells because their bosses boss boss is a greedy asshole. Have a good rest of y'all's day.
I love seeing games compete. Not destroy each other. Just compete. I’m loving this because THIS is what we need. I’m glad both games will be going head to head now!
What gets me is that Sty used to be the absolute MOST POSITIVE Overwatch creator in the space for 5-6 years. Blizzard fumbled the IP so badly that they got HIM to step away from playing the game as much & even sapped away his positivity around the OW game & universe, even though he loved/loves it so much (like many of us). Similar to Sty, I thought Marvel Rivals was going to flop. Then, I saw a few decisions that they were making around monetization, battle passes never expiring, hero bans at higher ranks, progression systems, being able to use free currency for shop items, etc. I REALLY like the game more than I expected to & have played it every day since release. 94 hours in 2 weeks 😳 The biggest thing that should worry OW/Blizz is that Marvel is almost undoubtedly the biggest pop culture entity right now. They print money. Marvel is also well known for not being afraid to go big & they’re also pretty big on giving fans what they want in many ways. Hell, Jeff is already being reported to be coming to the MCU. He started as a one-off character in a singular comic, but fans loved him so much that he got his own little miniseries run of comics. If this is any indication of where things can/will go for Rivals, this is worrying for OW. Imagine if Marvel went all out & made an animated series based on this game’s story? It’d absolutely EXPLODE. OW was already losing players despite Team 4 seemingly making decent decisions. Add a worthy competitor to the mix? That’s an UH-OH for OW. I don’t even think Rivals is better in terms of gameplay & optimization or even modes. It’s not. But here I am, an Overwatch player since 2016, that has taken multiple hiatuses from the game, playing Rivals over trying the 6v6 test we’ve all been yearning for. It’s not looking good for Blizzard.
it sure has stole me as a player. I though hazard was a cool character but even that isn't enough to bring me back to playing overwatch, and if even a new hero isn't enough to bring me back pretty sure nothing will. Blizzard really made me feel betrayed as a player, and now someone else is giving me the overwatch fix. I'm not coming back.
what I like about rivals are the team-ups you can do with other heroes, like hulk throwing wolverine into combat I also like the destructible terrain and environments, which opens up lots of gameplay possibilities also they aren't afraid to give the heroes very powerful abilities. they are imbalanced but it's fun to have two teams both with crazy imbalanced abilities going up against one another but also some very sensible abilities. for example black widow is a sniper like widowmaker, but in addition to a grappling hook she also has a zenyatta style kick, which she can use to kick enemies away if they get close
I love the team up abilities and the potential they have. It looks like they are also going to be seasonal or there are slight seasonal buffs to encourage different teams to be played each season.
Instead of making their games better or making new games. Blizzard spent their money on Bobby’s third chin …. That company is shot , on life support . They are only around because of games they made 20 years ago that people still want to play .
Absolutely. They only got away with their disgusting business practices because they basically had a monopoly on the genre. Now with a competitor they have to try to win us over instead of having us by default.
Horrible balance, terrible matchmaking, consistent dumbing down of characters, dei, making everything as forgiving as possible... Ow has a lot more problems than only pve
@@racmanov True. But PvE is what most will remember about overwatch 2... Or rather the lack of it. The reason they even called it 2. On top of that the inconsistencies with their own lore and the abnormal push for Mercy x Pharah.
Should've never got rid of 6v6, that's what did it. I'm still showing up to support the 6v6 test but if it doesn't stay Rivals is gonna be the game for me.
@@TheBoy4LifeI swear every hero design after Ram has just been terrible imo. At least marvel rivals literally cannot go wrong since they're just adapting tried and true characters
Now about the " Marvel Rivals is probably smashing overwatch on console at the moment" Overwatch may possibly have a slight advantage because it has a previous gen version unlike marvel rivals which is only available on current gen consoles.
Stylosa, good job on thw branching out. I found you during helldivers but here we are now for rivals. Safe to say that was probably a smart decision imo.
Blizzard failed the minute they cancelled PVE and especially the Talent trees. Should’ve focused on talents and allow people to play a “build” of their favourite hero.
You got it wrong, theres no competition. The numbers on Steam show that, but the 'Free' skins confirm it! Simply put for competition to happen there has to be 2 or more parties willing to compete. OW has been in maintenance mode almost since lunch, how is it going to compete with a game that just lunched?! Theres more thought and care in MR UI animations that in the last 3 OW2 battlepasses. More than competition, I feel this is going to be a funeral tbh.
I cried for hours when overwatch 2 released and it was a shell of the game I had been playing for years.. marvel rivals has brought back the feeling I had playing og overwatch. Sometimes I wish I could download overwatch and play dps doomfist
Stopped playing after they cancelled PvE, only reason I was still playing was for those Borderlands-style skill trees. Wasn't going to stick around for literally the worst matchmaking system I've ever played in a PvP game. You shouldn't have to no-life the game and play with groups in order to crawl out of Diamond, personal performance should play more of a factor.
Honestly If overwatch fulfilled their promises and did not over price their content and made it customer friendly It would still objectively be better than rivals But alas We live in a different time line Suq it Blizzard
Honestly, I like Overwatch more but I’d rather play Rivals because of 6v6 and a fair monetization. Overwatches monetization is so toxic it’s stupid. Had the prices been fair and the focus was on the game instead of their store I would still be playing Overwatch. But I’ll stay on Rivals because Blizzard won’t change.
I liked OW1 more then I'd agree, but marvel would win more over instatnly by being able to see my character. Its why I like league and fornite more, I wanna see my character that I like to play. Not the hands. This isn't COD or halo, I wanna see my character lol and OW2 doesn't let me do that.
I heard an Overwatch content creator say "It's a new patch and you expect this from me so I'll make a balance patch video, but please stop asking me for Overwatch videos every 2 minutes because right now I'm playing Rivals so stop asking me about Overwatch" or something to that effect.
My biggest problem with Overwatch is the balance changes and the rank system. I should not be losing the same amount of points that i get from winning and the fact Widowmaker didn't got nerf despite every player ask for it is laughable
I didn't ask for a Wid nerf. But I did ask for an S9 revert, because IMO the biggest problem with Wid and other hitscans is the increased hitboxes. I also believe that it is the hitboxes that has resulted in an explosion of accusations of cheating - it is so easy to land shots that it looks like cheating.
@@MidorixAsuka Hawkeye is like that too we're finding which is why he is banned in competitive games haha but I mean, that's a skillsealing issue - catch him out of position and capitalize. Overwatch is just all around mess of balance issues though.
@@MidorixAsukawidow needs to be nerfed 100%. The character forces your whole team to play the game in a completely different way. Also she shouldn’t be able to one tap 250 hp reduce it to 225
@osaruonamenn So, what about Hanzo lmao. He's the projectile sniper lmaoo. Just sounds like you're projecting a skill issue because she's quite easy to counter lolol.
I played Overwatch at launch and continued off and on through the years. It has been one of my most played games ever. Rivals has been a breath of fresh air. Some of it is the novelty of a fresh game and everyone learning and the chaos of it all. The experience has just felt more engaging. The diversity of characters abilities, the team ups, destructible environments. It adds extra layers that make it more enjoyable. I mostly solo queue so the lack of role lock allows me to look at the needs of the team and fill that role. Also nice seeing the amount of healing or blocking at the end to quickly quell the criticism when unwarranted. Win or lose, I’m having fun.
I told people the day they announced overwatch 2 that it was gonna be an overpriced dlc. I was wrong, it wasn't even a dlc because it removed content and didn't add jack shit.
exactly. every hour i play comp in ow2 i get at least 1 leaver and its usually too far in the match for the game to shut down. its not fair to the team with less players and it's not fun or enriching to be on the other side of that either. no toxic chatting, no toxic spawncamping, just nothing. such a breath of fresh air
Havent had a leaver yet but if thats true thats truly goood step. I agree the game just needs to fucking end in ranked/competitive when someone leaves or lags out.
@@W4RM4T then the leaver left/got dc within the time period for the game to close, same in OW. if the leaver leaves/gets dc after a specific time the game doesnt shut down. nothing new rly, but its good that MR also have that ofc.
I was going to disagree but then I think about how when I log in to OW to play now I just play Mercy 🤣 You're probably right. I've spent too much money on her skins to fully leave. Adam Warlock on MR has Mercy's old ult btw. A bit fiddly to execute but in theory it can bring back dead teammates. Not sure if you can bring back the whole team though.
The thing with marvel rivals is they can go ok open up a marvel comic book and go ok this is the hero & this is the villain & this is their powers & this is the map they already have a lot of generations they can choose from because they already created them which as for overwatch and others, they can't they have to start from scratch
Overwatch 2 really took the soul out of OW1. 6v6 made Overwatch feel so different and it ruined my stack so since then we have all been just looking for games we can all play together
No PvE? Me no play Overwatch. I never wanted to play a pvp shooter game. I wanted a PvE story mode / campaign based RPG-like hero shooter with talents you can customize, levels you can progress, maybe even ITEMS you could equip. Instead, the only experience on offer is "log in and play QP or comp, and deal with getting 1-shotted by Widow all day, and deal with getting stalked by Sombra all day." No effing thank you. I wanted Jeff Kaplan's Overwatch to come to fruition: a PvE-focused game (with PvP still as a side option for the small percent of players who genuinely enjoy that). I wanted a campaign, talent trees, maybe alternate weapons or abilities for existing heroes, plus new heroes to play with. And I wanted a story mode (campaign) as I said earlier, with the option to play through it in co-op with friends, too. Overwatch will never have any of that. All it will ever be is some PvP mini-game, and a miniscule fraction of what it ultimately had the potential to be. Blizzard killed off the PvE, so I will never play the game again. I'm not holding a grudge, I just understand the reality of what the game is AND what it isn't, and it just isn't for me. I put up with PvP in overwatch for years in Overwatch 1 because I knew PvE was coming and the game would transform from "pvp only" game into "pve-focused game with pvp still offered on the side." So yeah. I don't even like shooter games. I like RPGs and stuff with unique heroes/characters/classes, like Diablo, Path of Exile, WoW, and so on. Overwatch could have been among the greats, but Jeff was never allowed or able to make the PvE version of this game that he wanted to. So sad to me. I have given up on Overwatch.
You hit the nail on the head. Overwatch 2 feels empty now because it literally is. It was supposed to be a huge expansion to what we already had and allow PVE to take center stage. But then they cancelled it and gave us scraps, greedy monetisation and broken promises
Yeah, Blizzard has burned me too many times. I hate everything that is Overwatch 2. The change to 5v5, the pricing and getting skins through battle pass, the lies with pve. I'm done. Never going back.
I'll keep it brief Rivals release means competition. Competition means both games uplift one another which also means more content for players and content creators. :D
The truth is, OW has a lot to improve if they want people back, or if they want to compete with MR. Currently, i personally think they're way too incompetent to do so. I don't think there's a single chance in hell that they're gonna start doing things right now. I mean, i've been waiting since 2016... Here's the things that I've noticed that MR has that OW doesn't: - You can actually carry. - You have way more impact, and playing DPS is probably the most rewarding thing in the game, with all of the combos that operate much like a fighting game. It's amazingly rewarding to a degree OW has never achieved. - People (like you mentioned) recognize and have already bonded with the characters. - No ugly, modern audiences character design bullshit (like Venture and Weaver). - 3rd person means you actually get to look at the skins you've acquired, which is brilliant. - They got shit like Widow right, FROM DAY ONE. No one shot Bullshit besides Hawk Eye, which rarely ever happens, and it's pretty much as random as getting one shot by a Hanzo spamming a choke. - Reports work almost instantly, and they'll notify you directly when someone you've reported got the boot. For example a hacker i reported got banned for 100 years... How old is ow? and they've still not been able to get this shit down... - leaving games only get's you a 5 min penalty, which is better than being forced to play with throwers, and guess what? if you reported them for throwing your games, they'll likely get the boot as well (like they deserve). - (this could be subjective) You'll find games way faster without role Q, and not having role Q means you get to play the role that's lacking (mostly talking about casual games, which is probably what most people play anyways). You could have 3 dps and 3 supp, and still win. or have 1 tank, 3 dps (one being straight up retarded), and two supports, and win. You could go 1 tank, 4 dps, 1 support, and win... In my experience what ends up happening with a role Q, is you get people who don't really want to play their role, but want fast Qs, which leads to DPS MOIRA, DPS Juno, DPS Lucio, etc. To put it short, a bad fucking time. - (this could be subjective) In my experience servers are better on MR. That's not to say they don't have their stutters, but so do Blizzard's. In fact, in OW it's been quite common that servers would crash and you'd have to start a match from 0, at least in my region. So yeah... - Because of the report system + their ranked system not feeling as punishing + more stable servers (again, in my region OW ranked servers are A FUCKING JOKE) + what seems to be a slightly better matchmaker, Ranked is just a better experinece in MR. - They seem to be giving away a decent amount of skins. - They don't have OW's bad history. Is it unfair to bring this up? maybe, but they've not failed us yet, and i think that counts. OW should forever be reminded of every single time they've let us down over the years. - Even bot matches for practicing are better in MR. Honestly, I'm not sure OW can keep up. Going back to 6v6 already means they'll have to rebalance everything, and it's gonna take them like a year to do that, knowing how incompetent they are... so yeah... it's game over in my opinion.
6v6 was pretty much my last hope for Overwatch, it has proven to me that this team can not balance Overwatch. It was horrid. Only thing I’ll come back for is the classic mode at this point, at least they somewhat knew how to balance back then.
I don't think the issue with OverWatch is solely PVE like a lot of people are saying in the comments. The problem is that they gave up on what gave OverWatch won its heart that most people enjoyed the most, which was the lore and story and the characters. They stopped doing the animated shorts in order to do glorified advertisements for skin collaborations and they ultimately stopped moving the story forward which was the whole purpose in making OverWatch 2. The biggest thing people were asking for in OverWatch 1 before they decided to make a sequel was a battle pass and more story.
Im actually gonna spend some money on skins in Rivals. They've earned it and at least i can actually see the skins i buy in that game. I can't even remember last time i spent actual money on Overwatch. Probably before the stupid "2" was added lol
I was the same way at first. Very skeptical about Rivals. The thing is, it was free so I figured i had nothing to lose but some time. I went into it thinking I was just gonna try it for an hour and then uninstall it. But after 1 game turned into 7, after a planned 1 hour play session turned into a 5 hour marathon- that's when I knew. This was lighting in a bottle. Like most people I relived a high I had not felt since the first time I played the original Overwatch.
Spot on brotha, dedicated 6 years to ow and it just felt like a chore at this point,bad balance, so money hungry, I wouldn't even care if ow got wiped off earth as long as this game is out
I'm right there with you. I didn't really feel up to another hero shooter but friends kept playing marvel rivals so I said fuck it and decided to give it a shot. 1 game turned into 5 and that turned into us 6 stacking and having a blast.
There are still a lot to improve, though. They need to punish AFKers more. They need to reward good gameplay and punish bad gameplay more, regardless of whether or not the player wins. They also need to match premades with and against premades. If the team is 2-2-1-1, the enemy team must also be 2-2-1-1.
I was skeptical of the OW2 when it was announced, I was like " nothings wrong with OverWatch" and then i realized FAUXerWatch 2 was made to milk their players even more. Especially when they canceled PvE. And I just quit after that
Im someone with over 2000 hours between overwatch 1 and 2. I switched over to Rivals and have no intentions on going back. For one, it’s a fresh start. I don’t know everything and I’m staring down a hallway full of open doors. Not only that, but I genuinely have an interest in learning how to play all of my favorite heroes. In Overwatch, I have literally never played some of the characters because I just don’t care to. I have no interest in Overwatch lore. I don’t even really care about skins because I can’t see them. Marvel rivals on the other has really has me intrigued. The game could go in so many different directions. Like Overwatch hyped up a pve mode and did ‘t deliver.. Imagine if Rivals gave us a pve scenario and it was the end of the first Avengers film. Not only that, but there are so many characters thats I would love to see put into the game. I could also accept characters that share some abilities, like adding in a Miles Morales and giving him a similar movement to Spiderman, with different attacks. There are just so many things they could do. What can overwatch do at this point? Give us a 6v6 that you took away from us? Give us the pve you lied about? Give us back all the CC you took away from us? Im good. Id rather get my ass kicked trying to learn Black Panther than fuck around in Overwatch.
It's going to be interesting to see how many characters Rivals will release each season, because the rate OW is going is not particularly engaging enough. Meanwhile even if a hero is garbage in Rivals, people still want to play it because of their brand identity.
I'm interested in this also. Marvel rivals doesn't have to spend as much money to build characters because the ideas are already created. They just need to think up and design abilities
I don't think Rivals is going to avoid the same issues that Overwatch had. Rivals is still new, so a lot of people are just messing around with many heroes, but with meta coalescing it will be selected few that you see in almost every match. Just like Overwatch has its share of heroes that you see in majority of games.
I believe Marvel has stated that each season will contain at least a hero and probably multiple. So we could expect maybe 1-3 a season. Since the IP is already established, it is easier to keep turning out heroes whereas OW takes time to think of concept heroes and abilities that fit them (And we also don't think about nor see the hero concepts that get scrapped). Marvel Rivals can skip them steps for the most part since the heroes are already established.
Marvel just has a lot of advantages no other hero shooter trying to break into the market has. Pre established characters and lore. They don't need to spend months coming up with new characters and backgrounds and skins because that work has already been done for them decades ago. They can focus on making a good game as opposed to making an entire world to compete with Overwatch.
I still prefer Overwatch. The characters, their animations, their weaopons their movements, their first person POV their voice acting.... also the way mouse and keyboard input feels in Overwatch is just unmatched with anything I have ever played.... its just better quality imo. Also i run Overwatch with over 200 FPS and Rivals at 90FPS at 50% render scale... ouch. Badly optimised game. But I am glad Overwatch is getting some competition, and I am glad people are enjoying Rivals. I enjoyed the few games I played, but after a few games I was like... I could just log into overwatch =).
I've been playing a fair amount of Rivals, I've also been playing a lot of Overwatch since the 6v6 test started. There's definitely room for both. Rivals is the new kid on the block, everyone's enjoying the novelty of it.
13:35 You're not the only one who thought like this Sty, many many people were calling cope to us who have played the beta and enjoyed the gameplay. Saying we just prayed for OW's downfall and monetization will be worse than blizzard's absurdness all the bs when all we said was that the game is genuinely just good and fun and Blizzard should start opening their eyes to upcoming competition. Many people still stand by what they said but I'm glad you speak for yourself and gave the game a chance cause it's fun. And we the consumers win in this situation regardless.
Havent played overwatch for a few months now and have been having lots of fun with rivals. The portion of this video on the ow2 dev update makes me want to play overwatch even less than I already do😅. I forgot about that ridiculous change to comp points where they split it into 2 currencies for seemingly no reason. That combined with only being able to buy their ugly jade weapons and not the golds I was trying to earn for all supports really pissed me off.
I do want to say that this is still from netease a mobile game company primarily, so I am still on edge to see how extreme micro transactions will go, rn it doesn't seem bad especially with earning credits (slowly but surely) and the free Jeff skin. But we'll see how they evolve overtime
If you've played any gacha games, the home screen of rivals is eerily similar to them. It doesn't provide much reassurance. Also, once the achievements are done, I don't know where you will get an income for free currency for skins other than the ones given by the battle pass. Which is about the same as what you get in overwatch all things considered.
Remember that one time they brought back skins you couldn’t obtain anymore so you could purchase them with the legendary credits and then it just went away, never to be seen again. I was hoping old shop skins would go into that page for credit exchange
Those free skins are incredibly boring. Marvel is giving out handfuls of free chocolate chip cookies and Overwatch is out here giving you 1 single oatmeal cookie.
Even then, Helldivers passed the 1.5 month check. Where is it now? Not in a great spot. They introduce an entire faction that was hyped since the beginning, and then before I even have a chance to try it out apparently they already got wiped out. Cool, guess I'll just not reinstall it then and wait until they come back.
@@wahhnopfp you must have not seen the playercount recently. I'd say your comment aged like milk but it didn't even have to age to be outdated it's just plain wrong Either way, the game stabilised at around 30k which is the same for other similar games, being destiny and warframe. So the game is doing poorly according to who exactly?
I like overwatch, put hundreds of hours into it and as a fan I was let down by 2 and the monetization, like most people, I think their loot boxes were better because you had a chance to get new skins. I love that marvel rivals is eating their lunch and I hope it is the big kick they need to get it together. I am not playing overwatch, too busy playing rivals.
@@lilwintery6434 that’s fair, I guess the monetization in rivals doesn’t bother me because I like the skins and mvp animations, not to to say the Overwatch developers are lazy but most POTG are very uninspired and the skins are a hit or miss with me.
I've seen nothing but Top 500 playing Rivals. I wanted to unlock the Twitch unlockables and none of them were playing. What I loathe is they've ruined all the holidays with these shitty collabs. I don't want the collabs as my main menu, where's the holiday themes? I brought up on the Blizzard forum that I missed Jeff's Yule Log videos, the thread from 2019 was immediately locked and closed. They're so fucking salty. My friend has been playing Rivals and says that playing support just feels better on there. EDIT: I'm at the part talking about the Tracer mug. I miss being excited for Overwatch merch. Now I have an abundance of this shit and just want to get rid of it. I still have a box of Luci-O, where it says "get free loot boxes". Blizzard really killed the magic with this game.
I'm so frustrated with Blizzard for deciding to release the 6v6 mode when Marvel Rivals released. So many people who were excited for it were tired of being forced to wait. They made us wait too long and so many people went to Marvel Rivals. Even Samito, who was the 6v6 Poster Boy, has been too busy with Marvel Rivals to care. I personally have LOVED having 6v6 back and I think it really needs to be a permanent feature. I'm just sad that almost none of my favorite creators are playing it, EVEN during drops with three free skins!
I read your comment, thinking when I reached the timestamp Stylosa was going to make a big deal about it. Nope, he just said “Cassidy” and moved on. You just want attention
It's almost like Overwatch could have had an alternative game mode that extends past the limits of PVP in order to widen their audience and build upon the world they created. Perhaps it could be story driven and even include animated cut scenes to support the gameplay. Oh wait...
Matchmaking is trash....... broken promises. ..... not listening to the community... updates that take forever....... fuck overwatch. I hope it burns..... at least we got jeff back.
Overwatch team had years to remove hero like Widow and Sombra which don’t belong in this game at all, now they can take these hero to the grave with them
I find it funny how overwatch fans are going 'stop comparing rivals to overwatch they aren't even close to being the same" when yall did the same thing for years towards paladins and battle born.... doesn't feel too good now does it to have a game you love in the shadow of another game and getting unfair comparisons that's karma my dear overwatch players
loved OW for so many years (even though I haven't enjoyed playing it since OW2 for various reasons). I'm just glad that Rivals has come out and punished blizzard for years of bad decisions and taking the player base for granted
@ I’m not sure anyone’s talking about OW anymore. Too busy having a good time in rivals. I don’t even have the right console to play Rivals and it’s made me stop playing OW, even with the 6v6 test (which I’ve been waiting for since OW2 came out
Blizzard has been shitting the bed for the past year. They knew about Rivals, fired people instead of hiring more people to make something competitive, and sat on their thumbs.
You can debate that valorant has better designs. Especially overwatch newer characters which are complete garbage. But you’re right about Apex. They’re the bottom of the barrel and the worse character designs in the industry. Concord level bad and I’m surprised that anyone even still plays that game to be honest.
this is what happens you dont listen to your community and prioritise $ over everything
did you watch the video or just read the video title? lol
Have you looked at the prices of Marvel Rival skins??? not that cheap.
lmao 30$ is worse the overwatch
The moment Rivals start releasing gooner skins is completely over
but pronouns bro
OW2 tried to cut off its own playerbase to capture zoomers who spend $20 on skins like its nothing, captured nobody, then went back to pandering to the OW1 crowd like a toxic ex who though they could upgrade
This is the best I’ve ever heard this explained
Why is this unironically the best Overwatch analysis I’ve ever heard 😭
Real af
But, Marvel Rivals literally has $30 skins, and a shittier unlock system. The "Battle Pass" means you need to earn currency before you can progress, which means completing specific objectives rather than just through gameplay ala Overwatch. So it's objectively, literally a more expensive system that gives you less than OW2's system does.
To compound matters, most of the customisation options can't even be 'purchased' through the store, which is where most players would think to look for them. Instead you have to go through a dozen windows to find individual character customisations and then find one you don't own. Even THEN it doesn't differentiate between ones you still need to unlock and ones you can buy with currency.
Literally everything about the Marvel Rival in game store is worse than OW2. I still enjoy playing the game, but I'd rather have less gymnastics needed to find what you actually need.
@heraldoffire5104 first, MR gives you coins that are a 1-1 conversion of real money, so those $30 could quite literally be free from paying for them. 2nd, the quests the game gives (so far) are easy, I've completed literally all but 1 just from playing casually. OW2 quite literally gives you nothing but useless items, or low quality BS like OW1 skins or recolors. You get NOTHING unless you shill out real money for a battle pass that is arguably one of the greediest battle passes in gaming that was borderline pay-to-win at some point. You are quite literally making things up
Between marvel rivals and poe2, I'm happy to see blizzard finally in a position where the MUST be sweating
As a Xbox owner that was happy of there purchase of Activision/ blizzard 🥶 i see right now there are indeed getting a one two punch by both poe2 and Marvel rivals 👀 i seriously think 🤔💭 they need to do damage control to the game. Imo MR is a so much better put together game and give me that fun factor ive been craving since ow1. I can't tell i when last i play ow2 maybe 6months ago? M/R and poe2 everyday point taken hell i stop playing destiny 2 because of this.
@17TrillSeeker Blizzard USED to be my favourite development team. Back when D2, starcraft and warcraft were their love children. Now? They lead the charge on milking their audiences for EVERY cent they can and i just can't support that shit anymore
@@sebasteanjanzen1210 these ppl fail to understand when you stop listening to your fans/consumer you gonna shot your in the foot and you go full corporate 👀 .
I need them to have us grind for skins again so we aren’t always spending 20 bucks on a skin
Netease is huge but seeing a company much smaller than blizzard delivering a product 10 times better with poe2 matching even graphic quality should be a wake up call to invest more in the game other than monetization for sure, it's not like they don't have the resources.
Marvel Rivals feels like the Super Smash Bros of hero shooters.
Marvel has a treasure trove of Heroes and Villains.
Absolutely
as a huge fan of SSB, I have to say that's a great comparison. It does feel that way.
I mean, it's Marvel? It's been around since what, the 1940's?
There's literally 100's of heroes and 100's of variations based off of those same heroes.
@@allthatishere and they are doing villains too
Yeah the game launched with 33 playable characters when it took Blizzard 8 years to have 44 characters at the time of making this comment. Impressive.
That PvE isn’t looking too stupid right about now is it, blizzard?
The genius that proposed just use the assets for pvp event looking kinda dumb now
@@SoulKingBKor the genius that said to not increase the team when building the pve and pvp simultaneously
They said it is hard, the crawl-walk-run analogy... Skill issue
No it's still looking really stupid. And you look stupid for making this comment lmao. Overwatch's PVE was ALWAYS bad, dumping resources into making more of it was a fools errand
@@MrGrreatness So then what's the point of Overwatch 2? Could they not have just kept updating Overwatch 1?
Marvel Rivals: *Releases*
Blizzard: “Well, it’s time to buff Orisa.”
Torb turret, sym tp, bap and illari. Forgot about em?
😂😂
Them actually trying now is funny and truly is a slap in our faces. Don’t care if this game fails. Little too late.
Facts lol unfortunately we're like nah bruh we see how dirty yall wanna be now. Good riddance Rivals bury OW2 deep into ground.
i will never trust blizzard again, after all their wow expacs and ow garbage
It's not even them trying tbh, PVE was scrapped and what did they do for us? Gave us 6v6 back?
No amount of free skins is gonna bring me back at this point
Same😂
Same haha, rivals is the most fun ive had on a hero shooter in years
@@beanie4882facts lol
Even better is that marvel has more better looking skins
@redberries1108 that's sad considering there's only like 3 skins per hero so far lol. Imagine when marvel gets more skins rolling in
Honestly for me it doesn't matter which is better, it's just nice to play a game that hasn't betrayed its player base.
Boo
@sloth6070 very naive, these big companies looking for your money and yes you will be betrayed by them as well 😉
Yet….
@@Alex-oq1uqOh really? Major shout out to Techland. Just because you're an asshole doesn't mean everyone else is.
Its funny how much cope this comment triggered 😂
It's almost like OW2 killed itself, by not doing anything the comunity was telling them they wanted.
But it didnt :). It's doing perfectly fine
@@Adam-vx6to ya the game is performing fine, but it still has a terrible reputation. Almost all of the people that play the game hate it, but they stay because for the longest time Overwatch never had any kind of alternative on the same level. Since Rivals came out, Overwatch players are flocking over to that game now. The Rivals devs prioritize players having fun, the Overwatch devs prioritize expensive skins and balancing the game around the top 500 competitive players. Now that Overwatch has competition, who knows if it’ll keep doing well.
@@cookies_and_mustard6414they don't balance for top 500. They balance the game for themselves. Ow "devs" have no idea how the game is played
@@racmanov I completely agree, the reason balance is so shocking is because they have 0 clue. They go on what they see in their game dev play tests and what the statistics say. Nothing about the actual player base and strangely nothing about the top 500 players.
@@racmanov TOP 500 doesn't comprise majority of the entire playerbase...you get back to a business decision of pleasing the majority or the minority...
I feel like I’ve been freed from Overwatch, I don’t miss it at all
Marvel Rivals is bringing back that OW 1 feel.
Haha it had the opposite effect on me. Rivals made me want to play OW again and I'm almost addicted again. 😅
Nobody care buddy.
@@X_Omen_Z Same. Playing marvel rivals after the first few days of novelty just made me wanna play overwatch instead.
Comment is toxic af. Its like saying 'well, i always played overwatch, but i found a new game i like more and now i start talking trash about overwatch'. Ughh..
After the PVE cancelation, I called this game Overboard, because the ship is SINKING
Very slowly over the course of 2 years since that cancelation
6v6 needs to come back
Overwatch is getting 40k players daily on steam, the launch of marvel rivals barely impacted it and the player count has been going up since the start of season 9
This game is not sinking
@@bennettnez4711 The player count has been increasing since they announced cancelation
@ni9274 not going up, it's been the same 20-40k
Overwatch is like an abusive ex, Rivals is the girl that treats you right
This whole narrative that hero shooters are over saturated is complete BS that games journalist came up with to cope with concord. It's the same as "super hero fatigue", no people are sick of BAD GAMES AND MOVIES!
I'm sick of superheroes. How about that? Literally haven't watched a single superhero movies since Spiderman 2.
Exactly. Rivals is adored because it pays homage to the source material, fans love that shit. They build it and we come to play our favorite heroes and all these journalists try to do is get an article out so they can make a name for themselves. The Blizz CEO calling out Rivals for saying Black Widow copied Widowmaker made me laugh so hard - "Hey, Unreal Tournament 2003 called and the robot Widowmaker demands its name back." The fact he deleted that tweet was icing on the cake.
So? You weren't the audience when super hero movies were the biggest movies in the world, so your opinion isn't valid in this discussion.
14:35
Overwatch 2016: $10 for a good quality mug shipped to your home
Overwatch 2024: $40 for a recolor of a Mercy skin
god i forgot about that
So true.
well thats what they get for abandoning overwatch's future for $20 skins, never forget the PvE
Played OW for three hours last night, loved it and had a blast. That being said, I was playing 6v6, if it was standard 5v5 I probably would have switched to Rivals after 30 minutes. 😂 If they keep 6v6 I'll be happy to bounce back and forth between the two.
6v6 is the only reason I have been playing OW2 at all. I accidentally joined a 5v5 game and said "oops, I thought I hit 6v6" and left immediately lol. They just need to decrease the damage output so TTK is increased, but the gameplay is already more enjoyable than 5v5, even with the outrageous damage.
@@Galistia
5v5 was the biggest mistake they could have made. And don't forget they tried to gaslight us into thinking 6v6 would be worse.
100% exactly what I was saying. I don't even think I would be touching the game in 5v5 I'm over it. I gave it 2 years it's just an inferior version of the game
Yes blizz knows this. If it wasn't for rivals they never would have announced 6v6 tests.
Yesss me too
what’s crazy is that net ease had shares and directory with blizzard, specifically Overwatch, when Bobby was in office, he fired the entire net ease directive, and now they come back with marvel rivals, I feel like this is karma, they had amazing management with net ease and now they are losing community
Bliz having a rough end to 2024.
Overwatch - Rivals.
Diablo - PoE2.
and in same day :D
Insert gif of Palpatine "good, good"
CoD - Delta force
The PvE betrayal is what killed OW. They deserve everything that’s coming to them.
Very true. I obviously want the game to succeed and do well and be a better game, but Blizzard deserve all that is coming to them for that
It's OVERwatch
Nooooooooooo
JOVERWATCH
(I'm doing this as a funny joke (and truth), I hope you (the reader(s)) laugh too) It's over for overwatch. It's overwhelming how marvel rivals just toppled over OV. It's obvious to me tho because overwatch kinda shot through their victim/target/shooted/holed/caped and shot there life systems. They shouldn't have been just trying to use their community as a money printer, by just giving random over priced BS.
Hopefully I'm not overwhelming you you with over over and over again, they are over tho all you have to do it watch.
With all that texted I do genuinely hope that the good devs get a good job. Most If not all of this BS about OVERwatch is done by the CEO type people. The devs obviously love the game they just can't make something good unless it sells because their bosses boss boss is a greedy asshole.
Have a good rest of y'all's day.
It’s over, watch
MY WATCH IS OVER
I love seeing games compete. Not destroy each other. Just compete.
I’m loving this because THIS is what we need.
I’m glad both games will be going head to head now!
overwatch will die as it should of a long time ago
@@Suspect333Overwatch couldn't even kill itself. Get a grip bro it ain't dying
That's stupid and selfish for you to say. What about the people that like ow and wants to play them? Fuck them, I guess. @@Suspect333
this fight was over long before it began
Nah, I hope marvel Rivals ends overwatch 2.
To answer your question: DC was mid 30s, marvel was late 30s. Technically DC came first but they both released in the 30s
Wow do you have a degree?
What gets me is that Sty used to be the absolute MOST POSITIVE Overwatch creator in the space for 5-6 years. Blizzard fumbled the IP so badly that they got HIM to step away from playing the game as much & even sapped away his positivity around the OW game & universe, even though he loved/loves it so much (like many of us).
Similar to Sty, I thought Marvel Rivals was going to flop. Then, I saw a few decisions that they were making around monetization, battle passes never expiring, hero bans at higher ranks, progression systems, being able to use free currency for shop items, etc. I REALLY like the game more than I expected to & have played it every day since release. 94 hours in 2 weeks 😳
The biggest thing that should worry OW/Blizz is that Marvel is almost undoubtedly the biggest pop culture entity right now. They print money. Marvel is also well known for not being afraid to go big & they’re also pretty big on giving fans what they want in many ways. Hell, Jeff is already being reported to be coming to the MCU. He started as a one-off character in a singular comic, but fans loved him so much that he got his own little miniseries run of comics. If this is any indication of where things can/will go for Rivals, this is worrying for OW. Imagine if Marvel went all out & made an animated series based on this game’s story? It’d absolutely EXPLODE.
OW was already losing players despite Team 4 seemingly making decent decisions. Add a worthy competitor to the mix? That’s an UH-OH for OW. I don’t even think Rivals is better in terms of gameplay & optimization or even modes. It’s not. But here I am, an Overwatch player since 2016, that has taken multiple hiatuses from the game, playing Rivals over trying the 6v6 test we’ve all been yearning for. It’s not looking good for Blizzard.
they dindt fumble at all
@@gamerbeast3616 LMFAO
@@StudioYami the way i verbally laughed too lmfaooo
Holy cope
ow2 defenders rly delusional
it sure has stole me as a player. I though hazard was a cool character but even that isn't enough to bring me back to playing overwatch, and if even a new hero isn't enough to bring me back pretty sure nothing will.
Blizzard really made me feel betrayed as a player, and now someone else is giving me the overwatch fix. I'm not coming back.
If Overwatch kept their promise about PVE, this might've turned out differently LOL
the devs are incompetent it literally doesnt matter what direction the game goes they will butcher it anyway
what I like about rivals are the team-ups you can do with other heroes, like hulk throwing wolverine into combat
I also like the destructible terrain and environments, which opens up lots of gameplay possibilities
also they aren't afraid to give the heroes very powerful abilities. they are imbalanced but it's fun to have two teams both with crazy imbalanced abilities going up against one another
but also some very sensible abilities. for example black widow is a sniper like widowmaker, but in addition to a grappling hook she also has a zenyatta style kick, which she can use to kick enemies away if they get close
yet people cry when anything in overwatch is overpowered lol
The destructible environments are kinda jank and the team up stuff preassires you to play certain heros. Both ass in ny opinion
I love the team up abilities and the potential they have. It looks like they are also going to be seasonal or there are slight seasonal buffs to encourage different teams to be played each season.
No it doesnt. Just because they have a certain character on the team you dont need to be forced to team up. @duckseatbread104
While I'm not quitting OW. I'm for sure spending more time on MR when OW is shitting the bed in balance, which is almost every season.
ow balance is fine
@@gamerbeast3616you playing the same game?
@@gamerbeast3616what was the point of this?
Erm OW balance is in a better spot than MR balance.
@@gamist8166aside from the few outliers balance is mostly fine
Instead of making their games better or making new games. Blizzard spent their money on Bobby’s third chin …. That company is shot , on life support . They are only around because of games they made 20 years ago that people still want to play .
I'm curious to see how this affects overwatchs generosity in the future. More free stuff? Less fomo around BP and skins?
Absolutely. They only got away with their disgusting business practices because they basically had a monopoly on the genre. Now with a competitor they have to try to win us over instead of having us by default.
@@copiagueeagleI can just imagine how bothered blizzard is now that they have to treat their fans with respect😂
they already giving 4 skins for free right now when usually they would have been sold in the store
@@lukeGGlee ...do u think they just stop here, especially if their player numbers keep dropping or overall sales dip?
Makes no difference to me. I won't be going back even if they gave you every single skin that exists for free. Blizzard is dead to me.
after squeezing out the loyal base for years and still are, no wonder.
The worst part is that they had a new hero released and no change, Overwatch 2 is DEAD.
Que times have been very low. Yes, super dead [/sarcasm].
PvE was something they could use to combat rival's popularity but they fumbled that.
They would have no choice but to do it. Microsoft needs to step in
Horrible balance, terrible matchmaking, consistent dumbing down of characters, dei, making everything as forgiving as possible... Ow has a lot more problems than only pve
@@racmanov True. But PvE is what most will remember about overwatch 2... Or rather the lack of it. The reason they even called it 2.
On top of that the inconsistencies with their own lore and the abnormal push for Mercy x Pharah.
@jen-EL we played after pve was canceled. Horrible balance and matchmaker, and pushing of dei are the reason why our discord server is dead
@@jen-EL wait they're trying to push that? Mercy is so much older than pharah wtf
Should've never got rid of 6v6, that's what did it. I'm still showing up to support the 6v6 test but if it doesn't stay Rivals is gonna be the game for me.
You really think you can play Rivals for 7 years without complaining more than OW LMAO
@Adam-vx6to I really think that 5v5 is the worst shit to happen to OW, Mauga and Venture are a result of it so like, ew 🤢
@@TheBoy4LifeI swear every hero design after Ram has just been terrible imo. At least marvel rivals literally cannot go wrong since they're just adapting tried and true characters
@@NoSmoke1 Juno is great and Hazard is at least fun gameplay-wise, but looks a bit goofy
@@bigfudge2031 For me, Juno and Ram are the only OW2 additions that feel like OW, er no sorry Illiari too. Not a fan of Hazard
Now about the " Marvel Rivals is probably smashing overwatch on console at the moment" Overwatch may possibly have a slight advantage because it has a previous gen version unlike marvel rivals which is only available on current gen consoles.
Stylosa, good job on thw branching out. I found you during helldivers but here we are now for rivals. Safe to say that was probably a smart decision imo.
Blizzard failed the minute they cancelled PVE and especially the Talent trees. Should’ve focused on talents and allow people to play a “build” of their favourite hero.
They should have realized that the moment the Junkenstein rogue-like was popular enough to extend another week
You got it wrong, theres no competition. The numbers on Steam show that, but the 'Free' skins confirm it! Simply put for competition to happen there has to be 2 or more parties willing to compete. OW has been in maintenance mode almost since lunch, how is it going to compete with a game that just lunched?! Theres more thought and care in MR UI animations that in the last 3 OW2 battlepasses. More than competition, I feel this is going to be a funeral tbh.
Had a cheater in Rivals yesterday & someone left the lobby, it was nice not having to put up a meaningless fight for the inevitable SR loss.
20 dollars is much but the fact they give SOME credit helps more than overwatch cause i havent gotten skins much since overwatch one
I unistalled OW and havent played since MR came out. I'm loving the gameplay loop of Rivals!
Rivals got really boring and repetitive for me after a week
@@anonymous01201I got the same feeling when I played ow everyday for hours. But to each their own.
Blizzard still owes OW2 a campaign.
I cried for hours when overwatch 2 released and it was a shell of the game I had been playing for years.. marvel rivals has brought back the feeling I had playing og overwatch. Sometimes I wish I could download overwatch and play dps doomfist
Same honestly.
I feel I had 400 plus hours on Overwatch 1 doomfist
Cried for hours????
@@dboyedoe Right, like you what?
"Cried for hours" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Are you a child?
Ever since rivals have come out, I’ve haven’t played Overwatch once
I haven’t played since Mauga came out
Relax guys, I asked him
i have not played Overwatch since around 2019
Haven’t played overwatch since they canceled the PVE
I played one night to get the Mei Avatar collab skin and items.
Stopped playing after they cancelled PvE, only reason I was still playing was for those Borderlands-style skill trees. Wasn't going to stick around for literally the worst matchmaking system I've ever played in a PvP game. You shouldn't have to no-life the game and play with groups in order to crawl out of Diamond, personal performance should play more of a factor.
Honestly
If overwatch fulfilled their promises and did not over price their content and made it customer friendly
It would still objectively be better than rivals
But alas
We live in a different time line
Suq it Blizzard
Honestly, I like Overwatch more but I’d rather play Rivals because of 6v6 and a fair monetization. Overwatches monetization is so toxic it’s stupid. Had the prices been fair and the focus was on the game instead of their store I would still be playing Overwatch. But I’ll stay on Rivals because Blizzard won’t change.
I liked OW1 more then I'd agree, but marvel would win more over instatnly by being able to see my character. Its why I like league and fornite more, I wanna see my character that I like to play. Not the hands. This isn't COD or halo, I wanna see my character lol and OW2 doesn't let me do that.
I heard an Overwatch content creator say "It's a new patch and you expect this from me so I'll make a balance patch video, but please stop asking me for Overwatch videos every 2 minutes because right now I'm playing Rivals so stop asking me about Overwatch" or something to that effect.
Overwatch lowering skin prices? That was a good one
It’s good and if they refuse to lower down to 10 bucks, rivals will force it
@@xlbthedemigod5662 How Rivals is going to force it when they also charge 20$ (or more for bundles) for skins? This is Netease we are talking about.
@@xlbthedemigod5662 i just really doubt it’d happen, Blizzard has too much of an ego. One can only hope tho
My biggest problem with Overwatch is the balance changes and the rank system.
I should not be losing the same amount of points that i get from winning and the fact Widowmaker didn't got nerf despite every player ask for it is laughable
I didn't ask for a Wid nerf. But I did ask for an S9 revert, because IMO the biggest problem with Wid and other hitscans is the increased hitboxes.
I also believe that it is the hitboxes that has resulted in an explosion of accusations of cheating - it is so easy to land shots that it looks like cheating.
Widow doesn't need a nerf... she's super easy to counter and you just can't peek (or peek obviously).
@@MidorixAsuka Hawkeye is like that too we're finding which is why he is banned in competitive games haha but I mean, that's a skillsealing issue - catch him out of position and capitalize. Overwatch is just all around mess of balance issues though.
@@MidorixAsukawidow needs to be nerfed 100%. The character forces your whole team to play the game in a completely different way. Also she shouldn’t be able to one tap 250 hp reduce it to 225
@osaruonamenn So, what about Hanzo lmao. He's the projectile sniper lmaoo. Just sounds like you're projecting a skill issue because she's quite easy to counter lolol.
I played Overwatch at launch and continued off and on through the years. It has been one of my most played games ever. Rivals has been a breath of fresh air. Some of it is the novelty of a fresh game and everyone learning and the chaos of it all. The experience has just felt more engaging. The diversity of characters abilities, the team ups, destructible environments. It adds extra layers that make it more enjoyable. I mostly solo queue so the lack of role lock allows me to look at the needs of the team and fill that role. Also nice seeing the amount of healing or blocking at the end to quickly quell the criticism when unwarranted. Win or lose, I’m having fun.
They tricked me when they released Overwatch 2. Never again
How did they trick you?
@ acting like they released a new game and it was the same shi
Tricked? There wasn’t a choice
I told people the day they announced overwatch 2 that it was gonna be an overpriced dlc. I was wrong, it wasn't even a dlc because it removed content and didn't add jack shit.
This is legitimately the reason why I will never trust blizzard again
I had someone leave a ranked game, and the game just ended. Nobody was able to snowball or struggle with less 1 person, it was a nice surprise.
exactly. every hour i play comp in ow2 i get at least 1 leaver and its usually too far in the match for the game to shut down. its not fair to the team with less players and it's not fun or enriching to be on the other side of that either. no toxic chatting, no toxic spawncamping, just nothing. such a breath of fresh air
Havent had a leaver yet but if thats true thats truly goood step. I agree the game just needs to fucking end in ranked/competitive when someone leaves or lags out.
had several leavers and the game doesnt end what are u talking about? talking nonsense
@Gan-n9x it happened last night. A message popped up about a player leaving and being penalized, and then the game ended.
@@W4RM4T then the leaver left/got dc within the time period for the game to close, same in OW. if the leaver leaves/gets dc after a specific time the game doesnt shut down. nothing new rly, but its good that MR also have that ofc.
Most of the original ow audience hates blizzard and touched grass
By 2027 the only people still playing OW will be the Mercy mains
Probably you are correct.
Mercy main here.
Stopped playing OW2 a month after it's release.
Haven't touched it since.
Still sad about that sometimes...
I was going to disagree but then I think about how when I log in to OW to play now I just play Mercy 🤣 You're probably right. I've spent too much money on her skins to fully leave. Adam Warlock on MR has Mercy's old ult btw. A bit fiddly to execute but in theory it can bring back dead teammates. Not sure if you can bring back the whole team though.
their biggest mistake was adopting drastic changes to a framework which worked previously and very well..
So early widow hasn't headshot me across the map yet
But...she's been in the game since 2016?
@@RacingSnails64MR better then weak OW2🫵🤣
The thing with marvel rivals is they can go ok open up a marvel comic book and go ok this is the hero & this is the villain & this is their powers & this is the map they already have a lot of generations they can choose from because they already created them which as for overwatch and others, they can't they have to start from scratch
Overwatch 2 really took the soul out of OW1. 6v6 made Overwatch feel so different and it ruined my stack so since then we have all been just looking for games we can all play together
No PvE? Me no play Overwatch. I never wanted to play a pvp shooter game. I wanted a PvE story mode / campaign based RPG-like hero shooter with talents you can customize, levels you can progress, maybe even ITEMS you could equip. Instead, the only experience on offer is "log in and play QP or comp, and deal with getting 1-shotted by Widow all day, and deal with getting stalked by Sombra all day." No effing thank you. I wanted Jeff Kaplan's Overwatch to come to fruition: a PvE-focused game (with PvP still as a side option for the small percent of players who genuinely enjoy that). I wanted a campaign, talent trees, maybe alternate weapons or abilities for existing heroes, plus new heroes to play with. And I wanted a story mode (campaign) as I said earlier, with the option to play through it in co-op with friends, too.
Overwatch will never have any of that. All it will ever be is some PvP mini-game, and a miniscule fraction of what it ultimately had the potential to be. Blizzard killed off the PvE, so I will never play the game again. I'm not holding a grudge, I just understand the reality of what the game is AND what it isn't, and it just isn't for me. I put up with PvP in overwatch for years in Overwatch 1 because I knew PvE was coming and the game would transform from "pvp only" game into "pve-focused game with pvp still offered on the side." So yeah. I don't even like shooter games. I like RPGs and stuff with unique heroes/characters/classes, like Diablo, Path of Exile, WoW, and so on. Overwatch could have been among the greats, but Jeff was never allowed or able to make the PvE version of this game that he wanted to. So sad to me. I have given up on Overwatch.
Are you my clone or something? That's exactly what I've been thinking since Overwatch released.
finally, someone said exactly what i was thinking
You hit the nail on the head. Overwatch 2 feels empty now because it literally is. It was supposed to be a huge expansion to what we already had and allow PVE to take center stage. But then they cancelled it and gave us scraps, greedy monetisation and broken promises
Yeah, Blizzard has burned me too many times. I hate everything that is Overwatch 2. The change to 5v5, the pricing and getting skins through battle pass, the lies with pve. I'm done. Never going back.
They’ve only got themselves to blame. They had something special and decided the money was more important than nurturing the game.
I'll keep it brief
Rivals release means competition. Competition means both games uplift one another which also means more content for players and content creators. :D
The truth is, OW has a lot to improve if they want people back, or if they want to compete with MR. Currently, i personally think they're way too incompetent to do so. I don't think there's a single chance in hell that they're gonna start doing things right now. I mean, i've been waiting since 2016...
Here's the things that I've noticed that MR has that OW doesn't:
- You can actually carry.
- You have way more impact, and playing DPS is probably the most rewarding thing in the game, with all of the combos that operate much like a fighting game. It's amazingly rewarding to a degree OW has never achieved.
- People (like you mentioned) recognize and have already bonded with the characters.
- No ugly, modern audiences character design bullshit (like Venture and Weaver).
- 3rd person means you actually get to look at the skins you've acquired, which is brilliant.
- They got shit like Widow right, FROM DAY ONE. No one shot Bullshit besides Hawk Eye, which rarely ever happens, and it's pretty much as random as getting one shot by a Hanzo spamming a choke.
- Reports work almost instantly, and they'll notify you directly when someone you've reported got the boot. For example a hacker i reported got banned for 100 years... How old is ow? and they've still not been able to get this shit down...
- leaving games only get's you a 5 min penalty, which is better than being forced to play with throwers, and guess what? if you reported them for throwing your games, they'll likely get the boot as well (like they deserve).
- (this could be subjective) You'll find games way faster without role Q, and not having role Q means you get to play the role that's lacking (mostly talking about casual games, which is probably what most people play anyways). You could have 3 dps and 3 supp, and still win. or have 1 tank, 3 dps (one being straight up retarded), and two supports, and win. You could go 1 tank, 4 dps, 1 support, and win... In my experience what ends up happening with a role Q, is you get people who don't really want to play their role, but want fast Qs, which leads to DPS MOIRA, DPS Juno, DPS Lucio, etc. To put it short, a bad fucking time.
- (this could be subjective) In my experience servers are better on MR. That's not to say they don't have their stutters, but so do Blizzard's. In fact, in OW it's been quite common that servers would crash and you'd have to start a match from 0, at least in my region. So yeah...
- Because of the report system + their ranked system not feeling as punishing + more stable servers (again, in my region OW ranked servers are A FUCKING JOKE) + what seems to be a slightly better matchmaker, Ranked is just a better experinece in MR.
- They seem to be giving away a decent amount of skins.
- They don't have OW's bad history. Is it unfair to bring this up? maybe, but they've not failed us yet, and i think that counts. OW should forever be reminded of every single time they've let us down over the years.
- Even bot matches for practicing are better in MR.
Honestly, I'm not sure OW can keep up. Going back to 6v6 already means they'll have to rebalance everything, and it's gonna take them like a year to do that, knowing how incompetent they are... so yeah... it's game over in my opinion.
6v6 was pretty much my last hope for Overwatch, it has proven to me that this team can not balance Overwatch. It was horrid. Only thing I’ll come back for is the classic mode at this point, at least they somewhat knew how to balance back then.
I don't think the issue with OverWatch is solely PVE like a lot of people are saying in the comments. The problem is that they gave up on what gave OverWatch won its heart that most people enjoyed the most, which was the lore and story and the characters. They stopped doing the animated shorts in order to do glorified advertisements for skin collaborations and they ultimately stopped moving the story forward which was the whole purpose in making OverWatch 2. The biggest thing people were asking for in OverWatch 1 before they decided to make a sequel was a battle pass and more story.
literally everything in overwatch 2 is just a downgrade from ow1 or was a lie, everything is the issue
Im actually gonna spend some money on skins in Rivals. They've earned it and at least i can actually see the skins i buy in that game. I can't even remember last time i spent actual money on Overwatch. Probably before the stupid "2" was added lol
Even their abilities match the skins lmao
Like rickets Christmas one @@DerpyICEcube
I was the same way at first. Very skeptical about Rivals. The thing is, it was free so I figured i had nothing to lose but some time.
I went into it thinking I was just gonna try it for an hour and then uninstall it. But after 1 game turned into 7, after a planned 1 hour play session turned into a 5 hour marathon- that's when I knew. This was lighting in a bottle.
Like most people I relived a high I had not felt since the first time I played the original Overwatch.
i feel this way too. i could care less for mcu or marvel but the game is really addictive
Spot on brotha, dedicated 6 years to ow and it just felt like a chore at this point,bad balance, so money hungry, I wouldn't even care if ow got wiped off earth as long as this game is out
I'm right there with you. I didn't really feel up to another hero shooter but friends kept playing marvel rivals so I said fuck it and decided to give it a shot. 1 game turned into 5 and that turned into us 6 stacking and having a blast.
There are still a lot to improve, though.
They need to punish AFKers more.
They need to reward good gameplay and punish bad gameplay more, regardless of whether or not the player wins.
They also need to match premades with and against premades. If the team is 2-2-1-1, the enemy team must also be 2-2-1-1.
I honestly bet they were hoping marvel rivals would flop like these cod of duty copies. Thank god Overwatch deserves nothing
I was skeptical of the OW2 when it was announced, I was like " nothings wrong with OverWatch" and then i realized FAUXerWatch 2 was made to milk their players even more. Especially when they canceled PvE. And I just quit after that
Im someone with over 2000 hours between overwatch 1 and 2. I switched over to Rivals and have no intentions on going back. For one, it’s a fresh start. I don’t know everything and I’m staring down a hallway full of open doors. Not only that, but I genuinely have an interest in learning how to play all of my favorite heroes. In Overwatch, I have literally never played some of the characters because I just don’t care to. I have no interest in Overwatch lore. I don’t even really care about skins because I can’t see them. Marvel rivals on the other has really has me intrigued. The game could go in so many different directions. Like Overwatch hyped up a pve mode and did ‘t deliver.. Imagine if Rivals gave us a pve scenario and it was the end of the first Avengers film. Not only that, but there are so many characters thats I would love to see put into the game. I could also accept characters that share some abilities, like adding in a Miles Morales and giving him a similar movement to Spiderman, with different attacks. There are just so many things they could do. What can overwatch do at this point? Give us a 6v6 that you took away from us? Give us the pve you lied about? Give us back all the CC you took away from us? Im good. Id rather get my ass kicked trying to learn Black Panther than fuck around in Overwatch.
It's going to be interesting to see how many characters Rivals will release each season, because the rate OW is going is not particularly engaging enough. Meanwhile even if a hero is garbage in Rivals, people still want to play it because of their brand identity.
I'm interested in this also. Marvel rivals doesn't have to spend as much money to build characters because the ideas are already created. They just need to think up and design abilities
I don't think Rivals is going to avoid the same issues that Overwatch had. Rivals is still new, so a lot of people are just messing around with many heroes, but with meta coalescing it will be selected few that you see in almost every match. Just like Overwatch has its share of heroes that you see in majority of games.
I believe Marvel has stated that each season will contain at least a hero and probably multiple. So we could expect maybe 1-3 a season. Since the IP is already established, it is easier to keep turning out heroes whereas OW takes time to think of concept heroes and abilities that fit them (And we also don't think about nor see the hero concepts that get scrapped). Marvel Rivals can skip them steps for the most part since the heroes are already established.
This alone makes it 1000lvls beyond ow. Like bro, who gives a shit about Venture or Hazard? Now imagine a Tank Dr.Doom 😂
Marvel just has a lot of advantages no other hero shooter trying to break into the market has. Pre established characters and lore. They don't need to spend months coming up with new characters and backgrounds and skins because that work has already been done for them decades ago. They can focus on making a good game as opposed to making an entire world to compete with Overwatch.
I still prefer Overwatch. The characters, their animations, their weaopons their movements, their first person POV their voice acting.... also the way mouse and keyboard input feels in Overwatch is just unmatched with anything I have ever played.... its just better quality imo. Also i run Overwatch with over 200 FPS and Rivals at 90FPS at 50% render scale... ouch. Badly optimised game. But I am glad Overwatch is getting some competition, and I am glad people are enjoying Rivals. I enjoyed the few games I played, but after a few games I was like... I could just log into overwatch =).
I've been playing a fair amount of Rivals, I've also been playing a lot of Overwatch since the 6v6 test started. There's definitely room for both. Rivals is the new kid on the block, everyone's enjoying the novelty of it.
Jeff is probably the best hero design
13:35 You're not the only one who thought like this Sty, many many people were calling cope to us who have played the beta and enjoyed the gameplay. Saying we just prayed for OW's downfall and monetization will be worse than blizzard's absurdness all the bs when all we said was that the game is genuinely just good and fun and Blizzard should start opening their eyes to upcoming competition. Many people still stand by what they said but I'm glad you speak for yourself and gave the game a chance cause it's fun. And we the consumers win in this situation regardless.
Havent played overwatch for a few months now and have been having lots of fun with rivals. The portion of this video on the ow2 dev update makes me want to play overwatch even less than I already do😅. I forgot about that ridiculous change to comp points where they split it into 2 currencies for seemingly no reason. That combined with only being able to buy their ugly jade weapons and not the golds I was trying to earn for all supports really pissed me off.
My friend group calls it "Overbotched".
I do want to say that this is still from netease a mobile game company primarily, so I am still on edge to see how extreme micro transactions will go, rn it doesn't seem bad especially with earning credits (slowly but surely) and the free Jeff skin. But we'll see how they evolve overtime
Also pricing for skins are primarily same as ow practically
@@Rocko_101true but it Feels Like you get more out of your Money, because of the third Person perspective
If you've played any gacha games, the home screen of rivals is eerily similar to them. It doesn't provide much reassurance.
Also, once the achievements are done, I don't know where you will get an income for free currency for skins other than the ones given by the battle pass. Which is about the same as what you get in overwatch all things considered.
@@adeeshadeegala5900You will get new tasks every day and week
All we need now is Riot's MMO to come out and blizzard are finished
Remember that one time they brought back skins you couldn’t obtain anymore so you could purchase them with the legendary credits and then it just went away, never to be seen again. I was hoping old shop skins would go into that page for credit exchange
Those free skins are incredibly boring. Marvel is giving out handfuls of free chocolate chip cookies and Overwatch is out here giving you 1 single oatmeal cookie.
No they’re giving you the ingredients atp and food coloring cause they love to record same skins and sell at the same price
Nah it has to pass the 1.5 month check before this video can drop
Even then, Helldivers passed the 1.5 month check.
Where is it now? Not in a great spot. They introduce an entire faction that was hyped since the beginning, and then before I even have a chance to try it out apparently they already got wiped out. Cool, guess I'll just not reinstall it then and wait until they come back.
@@wahhnopfp you must have not seen the playercount recently.
I'd say your comment aged like milk but it didn't even have to age to be outdated it's just plain wrong
Either way, the game stabilised at around 30k which is the same for other similar games, being destiny and warframe. So the game is doing poorly according to who exactly?
Considering it surpassed OW playercount lile 20 fold, id say it doesnt need that lol
@@hardboiled2987no it didn’t at all.. what do you mean. Don’t tell me your basing it of steam numbers
lol wait till Christmas when kids get a new console
The real reason Marvel is winning is because they have a Jeff
I like overwatch, put hundreds of hours into it and as a fan I was let down by 2 and the monetization, like most people, I think their loot boxes were better because you had a chance to get new skins. I love that marvel rivals is eating their lunch and I hope it is the big kick they need to get it together. I am not playing overwatch, too busy playing rivals.
i like rivals too but the monetization is basically the same with the same pricing
@lilwintery6434 its still cheaper even if not by much, with the plus side being that you can see your whole skin and not just the weapon
@@catnepz it depends what you are comparing because the mcu skins like $26 but in overwatch a legendary skin is $19 without the bundle
@@lilwintery6434 that’s fair, I guess the monetization in rivals doesn’t bother me because I like the skins and mvp animations, not to to say the Overwatch developers are lazy but most POTG are very uninspired and the skins are a hit or miss with me.
honestly overwatch has let me down over too many things for too long and rivals actually feels fun to play
I feel like the dips at 5:30 in the video are people going to sleep lol
But every night, more people go to sleep, and less people wake up....
I've seen nothing but Top 500 playing Rivals. I wanted to unlock the Twitch unlockables and none of them were playing. What I loathe is they've ruined all the holidays with these shitty collabs. I don't want the collabs as my main menu, where's the holiday themes? I brought up on the Blizzard forum that I missed Jeff's Yule Log videos, the thread from 2019 was immediately locked and closed. They're so fucking salty.
My friend has been playing Rivals and says that playing support just feels better on there.
EDIT: I'm at the part talking about the Tracer mug. I miss being excited for Overwatch merch. Now I have an abundance of this shit and just want to get rid of it. I still have a box of Luci-O, where it says "get free loot boxes". Blizzard really killed the magic with this game.
I really hope ow just dies. Almost 10 years of playing and when I tell you, I stg ow just kept getting worse
I'm so frustrated with Blizzard for deciding to release the 6v6 mode when Marvel Rivals released. So many people who were excited for it were tired of being forced to wait. They made us wait too long and so many people went to Marvel Rivals. Even Samito, who was the 6v6 Poster Boy, has been too busy with Marvel Rivals to care. I personally have LOVED having 6v6 back and I think it really needs to be a permanent feature. I'm just sad that almost none of my favorite creators are playing it, EVEN during drops with three free skins!
*Noise of Deadlock stretching muscles before the release*
I left DBD for Marvel Rivals and I am absolutely loving this game.
17:20 im still calling him McCree
I read your comment, thinking when I reached the timestamp Stylosa was going to make a big deal about it. Nope, he just said “Cassidy” and moved on. You just want attention
You are SO brave oh my god
You are SO brave oh my god
Nobody asked
Me too
It's almost like Overwatch could have had an alternative game mode that extends past the limits of PVP in order to widen their audience and build upon the world they created. Perhaps it could be story driven and even include animated cut scenes to support the gameplay. Oh wait...
Matchmaking is trash....... broken promises. ..... not listening to the community... updates that take forever....... fuck overwatch. I hope it burns..... at least we got jeff back.
they have not broken any promises lol
@@gamerbeast3616 PvE was the biggest promise in the history of gaming. Where is it? I´d sure love to see it
@@gamerbeast3616shut up shill, real people are talking.
Overwatch team had years to remove hero like Widow and Sombra which don’t belong in this game at all, now they can take these hero to the grave with them
I find it funny how overwatch fans are going 'stop comparing rivals to overwatch they aren't even close to being the same" when yall did the same thing for years towards paladins and battle born.... doesn't feel too good now does it to have a game you love in the shadow of another game and getting unfair comparisons that's karma my dear overwatch players
oh you sweet summer child. ever heard of tf2?
loved OW for so many years (even though I haven't enjoyed playing it since OW2 for various reasons). I'm just glad that Rivals has come out and punished blizzard for years of bad decisions and taking the player base for granted
Overwatch cannot be in the shadow when marvel fans talk more about overwatch than rivals
@ I’m not sure anyone’s talking about OW anymore. Too busy having a good time in rivals. I don’t even have the right console to play Rivals and it’s made me stop playing OW, even with the 6v6 test (which I’ve been waiting for since OW2 came out
@@matthewbrears2129and here you are talking about it
Blizzard has been shitting the bed for the past year. They knew about Rivals, fired people instead of hiring more people to make something competitive, and sat on their thumbs.
You can debate that valorant has better designs. Especially overwatch newer characters which are complete garbage. But you’re right about Apex. They’re the bottom of the barrel and the worse character designs in the industry. Concord level bad and I’m surprised that anyone even still plays that game to be honest.
Bad character designs except for loba 😏