So Low FPS Players Do Less Damage In Marvel Rivals!?
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Jarvis. Lag his pc.
Hi venti twink!!
"Of course, sir"
*Uses Dr. Strange portal*
@salj.5459 this couldn't be more relatable. I swear, whenever Strange's portal is near me my fps somersault into oblivion
@@pashokplay3325 Same. I go from a constant 120 fps to around 30-40 fps when strange opens a portal.
My game gets chunked by Stranger Portals now for some reason after the last patch. Which is funny cause I’m nicknaming it my spider sense
A programmer could explain this better. But it has something to do with delta times being tied to users FPS. Apparently this is a relatively easy fix that shouldn't take a ton of time. It was explained to me as more of a coding error than anything else.
you hit this on the nose. Delta time makes sure that movements in game are time dependent and not frame dependent based on someones device
yeah as an unreal dev this is something students do when they do uni projects because they don't know the best practices and is often just trying to make things "work" rather than make it "work well" (optimized). Surely the devs should be aware of this? I hope it was just a really bad oversight which happens sometimes.
Accidentally tieing deltas to fps instead of server clock or game clock is certainly a very common oopsies but im surprised this shipped to live with this mistake in place. Very small easy erro on a progammers part BUT major impact for end users. Good thing the honeymoon is as strong as it is or rivals would've flopped dead. Hopefully it's fixed in time for s1
@@ForgettherealityI mean, it took a whole month for people to realise. I don't think it's about a honeymoon phase so much as it not being that noticeable.
@@titan4257not really a month. Seems to be players noticed just mainstream didn't pick up the story most likely because they run high fps
I tried so many times to reproduce the flats movement technique on Dr. Strange.
I'm glad I'm not stupid... I'm just poor.
I tried dashing Magik using Magik and lost so many times thats so BS ;-;
How many fps 😼
I can barely do any of the movement techs in the game because i play on console. And i think it's max fps is capped at 60, even tho, both xbsx and ps5 can run games in 120 fps.
@@Rinkha_MRyea you must not live in America
@@darkmotion5917 nah it’s capped at 120
This is actually an opposite problem we experience in Destiny 2. Super high FPS actually makes the enemies do MORE damage than at, say, 60 FPS. Been an ongoing issues since the PC version came out in late 2017
Was looking for this comment lmao
this is the same issue
I see, no wonder I keep getting pummeled.
how is this the opposite?
@@tarrikgrigsby8452 In Marvel Rivals, you are at an advantage if you're at a high FPS (outside of the visual advantages). In Destiny 2, you are at a HUGE disadvantage if you go above 30 - 60 FPS. A lot of enemies will straight up just one shot you *cough cough* Scorn *cough cough*. I personally had to hard cap my frames to 30 for like 1.5 years cause I got tired of it
shit bro Im playing strange at 15 fps I thought it just went vertical
do you also load into matches slowly as well? cuz I do that and my fps is also 15 most of the time.
@@UthlaxI load so slow into matches
15 fps??? Why even play 😂?
Let em play
wait u play at 15 fps?? bro i play my game at 60-120 and have never even properly gotten into a game in Rivals cuz it doesn't load me in (and it performs even worse at lower fps somehow) so most of my time is spent in practice
This bug explained a lot because I was not having a good time on Wolverine or using any wall climb ability, and Strange's flight felt very slow and I thought that surely there was some kind of tech I didn't know, but it turns out it's just that I don't have the spare funds to invest into good hardware so my 25-30 FPS is screwing me over with movement and sometimes damage. It's genuinely caused me some grief but I'm glad it's not that I suck at the game and instead I just suck at having spending power.
As someone that mostly plays Magik, I'm glad that on my best hero I don't suffer the damage struggle that Wolverine and others might be facing, but the hit detection on her dash is still notable because it's somewhere between 0.5-1m of a difference which can be make or break when engaging on a backline to get a pick.
Sidenote: Load times and FPS shouldn't be compared, I have better load times than some of my friends that can actually break 60 FPS while I can't. man, anything above 60 feels privileged to me because I've played sub 60 pretty much my whole life apart from consoles.
Sounds like a ps5 or xbox would be a genuine upgrade 😂
How much did you spend on your gear?
As a fellow budget PC owner, I feel your pain. I could barely manage to get it above 30 fps and the number was like orange at best, the game was still fun but it feels bad sometimes especially when you get stutters in the middle of a fight.
I managed to actually get it to be 100+ fps most of the time now with a couple adjustments; First I lowered the resolution down to 1280x720 (obviously all settings at lowest) that got me above 60 fps which made a huge difference, then I went and downloaded the increase fps mod from nexusmods which I guess just basically gets rid of the shadows in the game that got me above 100. Hey, game doesn't look as good but it plays waaay better.
Xbox and Ps5 issues being 60fps standards at 1440, (their 4k options arnt real 4k, but 1440 upscaled with software which isnt real)
The issue here is if youre using 1080p, 120fps, (you dont benefit from the extra FPS for your dps/movement abilities.)
You dont ge that extra movement hntil youre 1440p(true) which for xbox and ps5 are locked to 60fps, (upscaling isnt true resolution, or anywhere as good quality as the real thing) so essentially xbox and ps5 take advantage that you dont understand as an average user what upscaling is, and essentially lie. Youve bought a 60fps locked machine for 1440p/2k resolution. Which is DOGSHIT in todays market.
My old pc rjns 1440p 144fps and its ancient. Where as xbox/ps5 modern (except for ps5 pro) is ,locked so youre fucked since it can't handle true native 2k. And box systems rely on upscaling to pretend.
@DreamerrSlays
@@Telarius I'd seen somewhere that the fps on consoles is a lie too, and that the latency is so high that you might as well be playing on 30fps.
when i get on a losing streak it doesn't become "man what a great game to come back on" it becomes "i need to waste time finishing a bot game before i can get to the next real game"
the one upside is that it's kinda useful for doing achievements
I mean it's a good game to practice mechanical skill
i hate it its awful keep bots out of qp pls theres literally vs ai mode it makes no sense to have bots in qp
yea 2 games is not enough it needs to be maybe 4
@alexmaganda5827 most people would quit the game if they get bodied every game, wich is why they occasionally put in bots, and most people play quickplay
@@boggart159 Only if you are at the bottom of the bottom of trash as a player, otherwise you are 1000% better off practicing against real people that move like real people.
Ultron is a Strategist because he can remotely make your computer spontaneously combust.
Ultron supports his team by uploading 100tb zipbombs to enemy players PCs
In Rivals, career profiles are public by default, like in early OW. If someone restrict their profile, it actually appears on it own page, but still very rare, only streamers tend to hide their profile.
Now, if you check you History and open a game, you can check "View Career" for each players, bots will not open on a new page, just a quick message above is shown which tells you it's restricted, and we know if it was a real player it would still open on a new page.
The format is always 4 real players + 2 bots versus 6 bots. Allied bots fill missing "roles" and enemy bots are always 2-2-2.
The bot lobbies work for Fortnite because there's 100 players in the lobby and you [EDIT: Interact here means talking to players, say, in chat, not interact with them as in see them and shoot them] interact with 3 of them at most, but in Rivals, where you may want to have a community like experience, with chat amongst 11 others, you would want to have real humans, especially with match chat.
I always see at least 10 fortnite bots per game. They always have a specific spot they like to group up at each season
I interact with atleast 15 of the bots I don’t now how you interact with 3 unless you’re camping
Nah Fortnite games r at least 30% bots for me.
I had to start exclusively playing ranked cause I would fight more bots than ppl. Only for them to introduce bots into ranked.
nah i literally get like 50 bots some games, and granted im not a bad player. been playing since 2018 too. in every match the only real player i face tends to be the last one
Edited my comment to update what I meant by interact. Hope this clears up any confusion.
the worst part about the bots is that if they are in the game then why am i backfilling into a losing match with 4 seconds left. it has happened so many times and its the most annoygin thing. just replace disconects with bots
Bot matches are for players to feel better, it's 4 players fighting bots.
Replacing a disconnected teammate with a bot is going to negatively impact 5-11 (12 if the disconnect wants to reconnect, as the game does not allow reconnect if someone is in that slot) people. The losing team won't want a bot on their team and will be upset they got one, especially if it's early in the match. Putting one person on a losing team is going to negatively impact 1 person at most.
@@kirinashia567
First half match, people.
Second half, bots.
I've lost count of how many times I've been put into a losing game with literally a minute or seconds to spare.
End up spending more time in the lobby and loading screen than I do in game.
it feels so awful backfilling into a game where the enemy team is basically spawn farming the team you just joined and not only do you lose but it counts towards your match history for some reason
@@xCoNa14My queuing experience has been being put in a losing match with 40 seconds left and the next game having 6 instalock dps vs a sweaty 2-2-2 comp and back to wasting time on bots which i don’t care for
@@kirinashia567 why are you acting like a bot can't be replaced mid match when the game finds a replacement?
The bot matches are crazy. If you're defending against bot team on a payload map, you will roflstomp them at spawn and as soon as it goes into overtime, they lock the fuck in and swarm the point, and once it makes it they immediately start throwing again.
I’ve seen the bots in QP. The dead give away is they do this weird walk towards you while facing away thing. Like they will push chokes…backwards. It’s weird
I’m thinking it’s supposed to mimic players checking on their teammates? I know when I play support I’ll sometimes walk backwards checking on my slower teammates
Jeff bots never throw people off the edge, so if you have a Jeff and they do that, you know it's a bot.
this might not SEEM like a lot, but think generally in a vacuum, a 120 fps wolverine will ALWAYS WITHOUT FAIL beat a 60 fps wolverine if both are on equal terms.
a 120 fps star lords ult will ALWAYS win against a 60 fps starlord when fired at the same time.
its not about how MUCH it influences, the fact that it influences ANYTHING AT ALL is a problem in of itself.
i get WHY theres bots, nobody likes losing streaks and a free win is always nice...but like...they don't NEED bots, they have more then enough people, though i guess theres a possibility rivals doesn't HAVE sbmm in qp, which means games will NEVER truely be even, and theres no guarentee you will get 50/50 win/loss records if your not at least middle of the playerbase in skill. in that sense, its dumb, but understandable.
PSA! There has been a clip going around of Cap “tech” where if you hold sprint you attack faster. This DOES NOT WORK unless you are specifically in the practice range and have ability cooldowns turned off. This attack speed is also affected by fps.
HOWEVER the first two non shield throw melee attacks are SLIGHTLY faster. Again basically non existent at lower fps but it is useful for (again very slightly) increasing burst damage since you need literally every advantage you can get on Cap
I knew there had to be a bot game. Got rolled twice in a row then get the symbiote map on defense and went 48-0 on Hawkeye and the enemies just walked forward and died
Thats weird if theyre that stupid. PVE bots are better than most of my teammates.
Honestly I think I've experienced this too
Like once I had so many matches
We're the 1st game was dominating
Like I had multiple games where I went like 30-1 or something like that
But then after that game it felt like I was playing with bronzes against a top 500 team
Where me and my team is barely a belt to kill anyone while the enemy team just rolled us over and over again
After I got another game where I dominated
And then the whole cycle just repeated
@@Dystinction1 it was the strangest thing I’ve ever seen. Legit conveyer belt
Yeah I didn’t believe the bot conspiracy but I’ve had two matches in the last two days that were 100% bots. So stupid this game has bot matches when it has plenty of players.
Yep. The bots are straight booty cheeks
Making sure fps arent tied to game mechanics is one of the first things you tick off as you make the code, recently there was a huge case of this when the Risk of Rain 2 dlc came out, and before the first patch there were a lot of big mechanics tied to it, so much crazier than this, and this is already big
I was there when false son beamed my health away in nanoseconds.
@@redfrog4275 the trenches were red brother, the trenches were red
@@redfrog4275 o7
@@redfrog4275 rivals is pay to win, seekers was pay to lose
I've been playing magik at about 40 fps and wondering why my e just doesn't work some of the time. This needs to be fixed asap asw as optimisation
L
Same goes with panther, his hit detection on his dash attack is ass, wouldn't be surprised if it was bugged as well
Set your fps to whatever it’s stabilized at it doesn’t change the detection it just changes the distance traveled. So just gotta practice your ranges at those fps
Or just wait till they patch this
@@MrWowwow2211 practice range at those fps LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
Her ideal range of E is 16 meters (which you can achieve on 60+ fps I think) I was consistently able to achieve that with 100+ fps. When you are on 30 fps her range reduces to 14m. I recommend you to just not use E from high distance and go ahead before using it atleast until they fix this.
Imagine the shitshow if this happened on ow 💀
Heads would be flying
Idk how more people didn't realize there are bot quickplay lobbies. I was suspicious after my literal first time watching "real people" do the single-file death march to the objective in the last 30 seconds and not use abilities for movement. It's really not hard to spot. A lot of people were borderline aggresively adamant the game didn't have them, too. As if it's some unheard-of concept to throw bots in quickplay matches on occasion
Not to be an ass, but you seem to have to lose two qp in a row just for a chance to see bots. I don't really get on loss streaks in qp unless I am playing with friends who are new to the game or having network issues. In either case, there are other issues that take priority over noticing bots in the game.
It could also just be pride. Sometimes people want to feel like their win was real and not hand fed to them. You tell them their wins are actually bot games and it may hurt.
They are not bots. In a conquest map, that just happens pretty normally, esp in lower ranked lobbies. People just wanna touch the point and not everyone knows how to play their heroes, that's why they are in qp. Besides, I also get solo tossed into enough half finished games as the last fill to doubt the bot explanation they are claiming here.
I think you may be underestimating how many low rank people actually DO single file death march though.
The only redeeming thing I can say about them is Jeff can heal his team pretty easily.
You dont seem to realize how many people are way below average in game skills, because you are so used to playing games.
yeah sorry buddy but coming from other games I've never lost two quick plays in a row lol
This is literally risk of rain 2 moment right there
Saw the title and immediately went “First time?”
We sure love fps tied game mechanics
My exact thought. I love both games, but seeing the difference in community reaction is CRAZY. People were clowning on gearbox hard for this same error
@@leotheliongames I mean, risk of rain 2 had almost every mechanic in the game tied to delta time when the dlc came out. In Rivals it's some slight disparities between movement and damage. Risk of Rain 2 Stinkers of the Shitstorm was fundamentally unplayable without mods to try and mitigate the damage. Delta time would screw you over whether you had high or low fps. most natural was 60 and even then the game was cooked. And most people were already skeptical of gearbox' success with the IP since they have a record for ruining games, so when shit really hit the fan people were naturally furious.
@@lilwheedle don't forget the fact the dlc literally completely bricked the box version and made it unable to be opened
6:25 Exactly. As a pure casual player it does seem nice to get an easier game fed when your on a frustrating losing streak, but when you become aware its because your fighting bots it just becomes patronizing. Because the feature is already optional, Practice against AI
I did my own test of the bots thing last night.
Lost three matches in QP as an excuse to play new heroes lol.
Enemy team had 5/6 players I could not find profiles of. The one person I could find in Friends search had the same name as the bot but the real person hadn’t played since Dec 14. Two of my teammates had profiles hidden so I assume they were bots too. The thing is not only do they fill supports or tanks, they choose team ups too. Had someone select Strange so I went Ironman, the bot went Hulk.
Only need 2 losses in a row its pretty consistent unless they changed it
The end result of game design centered around player retention so they buy more cosmetics, literally rigged matches for the sole purpose of making people feel good.
Come to OW2, where they will let you lose all day and experience trash talk both verbal and written.
@@anubis4032 I always got them after 3 losses in a row.
@@bruhvenant Play comp then
Jarvis blame the supports for not healing the tank
Dexerto guy here, I partially run the Twitter acc and have played a big role in planning, writing, and editing our Marvel Rivals stuff. If you're wondering who on the Dex account is yapping about Eskay and bogur and making Marvel Rivals shitposts, that's me 💀
As a longtime Flats enjoyer, I'm glad to see our content highlighting and explaining community issues getting reach and was pleasantly surprised to see him make a video using our stuff. Genuine issues with the game aside, Marvel Rivals has done a lot to make my job more fun. Covering this game is a great time.
And yes, the first thing I thought of when I saw the PC performance bug was "Jarvis, nuke that guy's PC", I had to throw that image in there.
you should make a post about how you cant type shit like ''free taiwan'' but you can say taiwan sucks
@@naizy To what end? I think everyone is aware of the overt authoritarianism of China. Dexerto aren't reining in the CCP with an article. NetEase is a Chinese-owned company and to keep the game available in China they employ censorship. Free Taiwan is also not the same as Free Hong Kong, because Taiwan for the most part is moderate and content with its equilibrium.
@@naizy the devs are from china, you think their government would let this slide lol
@@skarloeythomas5172 holy nerdge, im just making a joke and bro over here is nerdging
@@naizy so was I bro, just joking, like chill tf out cuz, you rage over the granny on the subway smiling at you too?
me and my friends noticed the bots immediately, because we aren't exactly pro gamers but certain matches had us keeping the enemy team in spawn as the ai was really, really bad, and predictable and felt more like practiced dummies' walking back and forth, and it was almost always after a 2 or 3 loss streak.
man I wish I had even 80 FPS or 80 Ping
Life is pain when you have 20 FPS and 160 Ping in games
Yea I have bad fps drops and stuttering too so probably not gonna play the game anymore on pc because I definitely lose fights because of it.
Bro save up
spawn diff 😂
If you have 20fps in this game even on low settings then you don’t even meet the minimum req for the game to begin with. The high ping also means you have generally bad internet. Even without this bug you were always going to be disadvantaged.
@@SH1NK1R01 I never said I played Marvel Rivals because of my Nvidia 1050 (its the best piece of Hardware I got and its line 12 years old) I cant even launch it I meant other games like Teamfortess 2 or SCP Secret Laboratory and about the ping its cause I was sold 5G internet in an Area with out 5G I am currently on the switch to glassfibre cabels
I can confirm there are AI bots in QP games. For context, im on PS5 and had console only checked. I played for a few hours the other day and at some point lost a few games in a row. The following game I noticed something odd. I died in the most insane way. This player tracked me all the way through a wall, locked on to me, and kileld me, and then continued to lock onto all my teammates. I thought the guy was ximming his a$$ off, so I was furiously in chat during the match. I watched the replay after the game, and noticed the ENTIRE enemy team was locking onto me and my teammates through walls. I quickly realized okay this isnt just ximming this would legit be rage hacking. So they have to be bots. What do ya know, I looked into it and there were hundreds of other people om reddit threads etc all saying theyve come across this as well and that there are AI bots. Not sure what triggers them to statt filling lobbies but this turns me off the game REALLY badly, and what also turned me off of Fortnite years ago when they had bots in game. I dont want to face bots to give myself false feelings of performing well to keep playing after a few bad games. That is not how you improve at the game. I want to always be facing real players. They need to do away with this immediately and game devs need to stop protecting bad players for the sake of coddling their feelings for player retention, at the expense of other players. I dont want this sh** in my games.
Does that mean I'm actually not that good as Iron man?
You get the bot matches if you lose about 2 in a row on qp
Sounds like you need to play competitive. No bots in ranked games.
While I agree that bot lobbies for player retention is bad, I don't think bots themselves are the issue.
Coming as someone who played Gears of War games, they had AI opponents in part for offline play, but they also filled out online lobbies. When a player left or the game had trouble finding a quick lobby, they just filled slots with bots. Now unless you were playing in the middle of the night, the bots would get replaced by real people as people joined the game (after the bot died). Granted in gears they were also named obviously as bots.
@@crietonfightin899 maybe you're a bot
My only issue with the bot lobby thing is that the game doesn't seem to differentiate those games in your quickplay career stats - I wonder what % of players have set their killstreak record vs bots, for example.
I have a 42 ko streak and it had to be from a bot lobby. They just walked out of spawn room 1 by 1
Pretty sure most clips you see are in bot lobbies.
I have a pretty decent computer that's never really given me issues with games since I put it together, but for some reason this is the only game that WRECKS it. Sometimes I'll have a decent match and then the lag in the next one makes it unplayable. I'm sure it's partly cause I need a better GPU, but I also think the way this game was put together is super unfriendly to anyone that doesn't have a high end system.
When i do storms ult, I wont even get the circle right away, storm will move in the direction i would move the circle and turn into the circle a second before doing the ult. I basically have to treat it like a witch ult. Jeff isnt the same, but i noticed my time to place my circle on him is also much shorter than streamers i watched. Its messed up how badly optimized this game is but no one was talking about it because most streamers have crazy pcs. Also, paladins is a lot like marvel rivals (including hero bans), and i think their downfall was using bots to fill lobbies. I hope rivals will stay away from that strat.
If you thought paladins downfall was bot lobbied I don’t know what to tell you man. That game was NOT attractive to most people. If struggled to ever find any interest or attention. Bot lobbies had nothing to do with it. Most people wouldn’t even know it had it at all either. Because they didn’t play to begin with. That game just wasn’t that good.
nah paladins is good in concept but it's horribly buggy, the bots are not the problem
If Overwatch had these discoveries, EVERYONE would be clowning on it.
Womp womp woooomp
First off the FPS fix is quitew easy for the rivals team. Second off like said in the video fortnite has bots so it's not even a bad thing, it's literally for people with skill issues like you. Third, Overwatch is shit so of course it would be more clowned on. Of course a game gets clowned on when it costs 20 dollars for a cat girl kiriko skin.
Did you buy the kiriko skin? Oh my God. Dis guy.
@@VlNCEY bro skins cost 20 dollars for marvel rivals too... You don't even have a point lol. Infact you just proved his point with double standards
@ you don’t have to pay for marvel rival skins. In marvel rivals there are two currencies, lattice and units (I believe) lattice is what you can buy, units you get for free (like crafting materials). But every single skin can be bought with units and not lattice. And in overwatch you don’t see your skin at all, in marvel rivals you see it every single game. Being a blizzard defender in 2025 after WoW, After COD, and then after OW2 is crazy.
9:20 “toaster pc because of loading times” nope. My PC is actually the best you can commercially get. My internet however… lets just say where I live there’s only one provider and I’ve considered moving just because of how bad it is
Internet might be another issue, however I found out that installing the game in a HDD causes the game to load way slower, I now have the gane installed on my SSD and the loading times got 10 timez better (i was unable to see the character select screen previously because of how bad it was
@ that’s a great point. I hadn’t considered that. I don’t personally have a HDD but I have seen many posts stating the same as you, installing the game on the HDD has a considerable impact on loading
Noooo way duddeeeeeeeeeee. Downloading your game on smth slower than an ssd it loads slower???? Really broo???? Wow??? Are u sure sure it's faster on the ssd????
@@frankonaig7278 not really sure why you took that so personally.. but I hope you have a nicer rest of your day
@frankonaig7278 you would be surprised knowing how many people don’t know about that, either way, there are games that doesnt affect loading times that much and others (like MR) make the game almost unplayable with invisible characters and random FPS spikes. Some of us only have 500gb on an SSD so we have to pick and choose
From what little programming experience I have video games are usually developed with certain actions tied to frame rate. Older games are great example of this were things such as physics are tied in to frame rate, so as frame rate increases the physics break. Typically, software developers are supposed to account for this as it is a decades old problem that we have solved, but due to crunch or laziness it commonly gets glossed over.
Fighting games are mostly still done this way since all their moves are tied to frames
The one im sure of is that guilty gear is still capped at 60 fps is cause 60 is what all the characters attacks are balanced/designed around
@jeph7434 that is all fighting games. The entire premise behind hie fighting games function it a 60 fps game. Some allow upscaling if they programmed for it and some don't
Netease has another game (Naraka) with the same issue, and I don't think they have fixed that yet. I guess they never saw this as an important problem. I know that DeltaTime is one way to potentially fix the problem, but I don't know how complex the code is and if they are willing to go through the entire code to replace all the events.
@@kito1121 if the game is built from the ground up with DeltaTime in mind it's fine. It's like one of the first thing game developers learn is to never pin game logic to frame rate.
I personally enjoy the bots as a casual because after losing a lot while trying to to play certain characters or challenges going against bots makes it doable. There's characters I wanna play and do well with and then the games asks me to play characters I don't do well with.
There already is a more for playing against ai tho
Just have a "VS AI" mode. No need for this in qp
Glad to see some (rightful) criticism for this game. I don’t want it to fail in the slightest but I’ve been calling out the bad since day 1 and people get PISSED. I think there’s a very strong double standard between rivals and ow which is understandable because of how fed up the ow community is, but if people genuinely want rivals to succeed problems need to be vocalized, not just shrugged off
I also challenged they didnt get 20 million downloads. Crazy how a free to play game supposedly has 20 million downloads but didn't break any player count records for playing, right?
I'll rather lose and be trash but get better eventually than having a fake victory hanging over my head, no sir.
As for the FPS problems, I'm on PS5 so not much I can do but hope they can fix things so we all can have a better experience.
i am so glad actual criticism is finally coming for the game, even if its slowly. i want to enjoy the game but performance issues, this bs, bots, crashes and that all problems without talking about balance or even game mechanics.
i was so tired of talking about bad things about this game and the continious idea that i was just an OW fanboy
I promise if your comments were pulled up it would be obvious why you were called that. I’ve seen criticism of this game since day one without issue. But people often Misrepresent themselves and then cry foul.
so you just wanted to hate the game and now you feel vindicated, got it
I mean, no game is perfect, there's absolutely things that need addressing in every game. MR is doing a LOT right though, and if you feel some of these things are enough to "come for this game", you're going to be disappointed.
Honestly, you shouldn't want MR to fail. What should happen is that Blizzard finally lights some fire under their butt and listen to their community.
MR mechanics and balancing are fun the way they are. Major OW heads say that, Your Overwatch and Samito have been wanting what MR has. I'm sorry Blizzard didn't care, but wanting to doom a game that's bringing people together is petty af.
When people ask. “What’s the difference between 30fps and 60fps. They both look fine.” This is the exact reason why people care if it’s 30 or 60. It’s because of Input delay
if this happened in overwatch there would be much more outrage and doom posting
Imagine you try to pick a name and it’s taken by a bot
Idk how they expect this shit to be competitive
Reminds me of how the Risk of Rain 2 developers linked a bunch of items of fps some how
That's Bethesda levels of spaghetti code. In the creation engine world speed is often tied to your FPS which is why most Bethesda games lock you to either 30 or 60.
I'm guessing that this is something like that, but I don't know if they can get away with the Bethesda fix which is to just force you to play it at 30fps
All of the old souls games also tie gameplay mechanics like character speed and jump height/distance to fps. Dark souls 1 is notorious for this
it is possible to fix without limiting the frame rate
most bethesda games have mods that untie the game to the fps
thank you, you just solved my aim issue got the game low setting that i can get more than 100 fps and magically i don't miss my shots anymore just tested spylock, widow and Hawkeye
This game competitively is a bit of a joke. This is like game dev 101, knowing not to tie player movement and the physics engine to fps in a competitive multiplayer title. Say what you want about Blizzard but shit like this would never fly. The overwatch engine is at least loads better, both in optimization and physics.
It’s not a surprise that a game that is loved by the player base would get more room for error by the players. I mean they already have 7 or more characters on the way while their counterpart has been dragged through the mud for a good while now. I mean can the player base really complain when this is such a minor issue, attached to specific characters.
@@Macambs MINOR issue ? Do you seriously believe that ? I understand glazing your fav game but saying something like this is a minor issue is absurd.
My game always takes about 30 seconds after the match has started to fully load in. The itself lags a lot and can occasionally freeze for about a minute, usually causing my team the game; it's especially frustrating in comp. I don't particularly have a terrible pc, this doesn't happen to any other game, so I pray its a game optimization issue and will be fixed around the upcoming patches. It's unbelieveably frustrating to always lose first point on defense, or have the team already lost a fight before I load into the match. Thankfully I'm a good player and we can usually come back from these. It's also a blessing that comp waits for everyone to load in before starting the match.
Same here, mine is on an ssd too
Soooo not only am I bad at shooters but I have an active disadvantage? Well now I’m sad
Yea but at least its only a disadvantage in poorly coded and poorly optimized games like marvel rivals lol.
this wouldnt be such a huge deal if the game wasnt so terribly optimized
im on an alienware laptop that's only a couple years old. i can get 200-300 fps in valorant just fine (though i intentionally cap it at 120) but cant even consistently hit 60 in MR. it's insane
anyway, add dr strange to the list of chars that counter wolverine now ig
The bot lobbies are def true. I did my own testing of looking in my history and looking at the matches after i lose 2 or 3 times in a row, which i quickly figured out that all the other team has their account information restricted, one time would be coincidence however i have checked this many times and what are the chances that the whole enemy team goes into their settings to hide their profile, these are all games where i won by a landslide as well. It just doesn't feel good to win against bots and just feels insulting.
I will say that i dont think all bots are level 1 either since most i found were higher.
Also you said "the game will throw you a bone" but if we wanted to be in a ai lobby we would select vs AI
I can assure you, majority of the casual player base of a free game would quit after a losing streak, nobody is praticing vs ai willingly lol
@@owenSHOKidk about that. At least back then before sbmm there were a lot of noobs going 3-45 all day long. They almost don’t care. They’re not smart people so why would they stop playing if they don’t do well
@@ArmedandDangerous918 back then they payed for the games, now the games are free so if you don't retain an audience (those that are not the best at the game) to buy cosmetics to, you close the servers.
One fix is upping the losing streak threshold for the bot lobby to kick in because if it's really 2 that's brutal lol
Magic: "I got you!"
Morgan Freeman in the background: "She didn't get him"
Someone in MR put in chat “I hate these bot matches.”
I had to respond, “no we just suck.” 😭
Did they respond "Damn they're getting smarter!" lol
Almost the same exact thing happened in destiny with the Colossus enemy. The higher frames the player had, the more damage they took from the Colossus attack all the way up to getting one shot
Can someone test this with magiks portals. I feel like I see other magiks instantly go through their portals but I’ve had so many instances where I literally have a second before I go through a portal and I’ve gotten stunned and pulled out of my portals when I’m supposed to be invincible for a small duration
I have not tested it, but have experienced what you have. It's an ability, so it may also be effected.
The Magik bug has actually happened to me so many times in game, I thought I was going crazy.
They have practice vs ai so no need for bots in quickplay. If they want to entertain casuals then make a pve mode with all the lore at their disposal. Beating bots doesn’t feel better than humans.
Also, it is easy to see who is a bot. Their profiles will be resteicted. Every single profile on the enemy team.
This is something I noticed. When I was playing when I first installed the game. I had some settings messed up and I was running tops 45 fps. Then when I switched I noticed a very obvious jump in animation speed when I fixed my settings and started getting 70-80.
I mean in general? This games number 1 flaw is that it runs like ass.
Theres really no excuse, its not a case of "well, 2024 game vs 2016 game", or "buy a PC".
This is not a technical showcase game, its a MP game. Half the reason it has a strong artstyle, should be BECAUSE it helps the game to run well.
People intentionally put their settings on low, use DLSS, and still the game flops around with its framerate.
What do you play on? For me and everyone I know it runs amazing
@@yournightmare6969I have a 5600x and a rtx 3070 and frames still mess up
@@yournightmare6969 who's everyone you know bro? Even streamers with high end rigs say the game chugs especially when portals come into play
@@perseusapollon1926 ive a 5800x and a 3080 and the fact that ive to play in low settings where the game doesnt even look that great to warrant the performance and still not get enough fps to match my monitor refresh rate is crazy. Somehow people still defend it because its their new favorite game lol.
True it runs wayyy worse than other multiplayer games, even ones with better graphics
makes you wonder if those mirror matches were one-sided solely because of a higher FPS
I love how many people are preoccupied with bots that don’t affect their gameplay (only their pride) and not the actual, hardcoded unoptimization happening in game that affects actual real human players.
I've had like three to five projectile shots no reg on a tank standing five feet from me during FPS drops. It's rare for it to be that bad and it seldom happens on hitscans (which should be more likely to miss at super-close range) but it legitimately does happen, and it feels so brutal. I can't imagine how awful this game must be if your FPS is consistently super low. Mine is not even that bad, but it's still enough for me to avoid mobility-based heroes and primarily stick to hitscans. The funny thing is in OW I have better projectile aim and like a thousand hours on projectile-based heroes. I rarely play hitscans there because my aim with them is super inconsistent in comparison to projectile aim especially at close range, but in this game it's the exact opposite, and I swear it's because projectiles just love to no reg in this game.
Being put into a completely unfun game that's a waste of time that's trying to psychologically manipulate me into the illusion that I'm better than I am certainly affects my gameplay experience. And it's something being done intentionally and being intentionally hidden by the devs.
The FPS thing is an unintentional bug that they'll work on. No big deal. If it's still that way 6 months from now, I'll be less happy.
Edit: It's even worse. I'm actively getting mad at teammates probably just screwing around because now their performance is a major reason I'll be stuck for 10 mins in a bot game. It's worse than ranked. I don't care about my rank. I do care about being stuck in a bot match going 30-1 again before a real game.
@ZeroRed78 but it’s really not that deep, you’re tying your enjoyment of the game to how well you perceive yourself at it. If playing the game irregardless of the mechanic isn’t satisfying you should probably play something else that makes you happy. This is your pride, your ego, and your centrism affecting how you perceive games.
Rivals didn’t make that happen, it just highlighted it. You’re going to carry that with any game you play until you divorce yourself from it.
This is the demiurge my dude. The cell is open and you’re free to walk away any time. If this mechanic doesn’t make you happy or makes you mad at other people, this isn’t for you.
Also reflect on why you’re getting mad at other people in the first place. The bot issue bothers YOU the person, not the team at large. But if you’re coming into the round tilted already, you’re going to perform less well to begin with. That makes your teammates not want to try either. It’s not their fault how YOU feel.
Your mental is getting played with by this discovery. If that’s what’s happening it’s time to reevaluate whether you want to spend your limited, valuable time on a game like this.
@ like genuinely take these words in and realize you’re comparing yourself more than you’re playing the game ruclips.net/user/shortsF77xHSKSKc8?si=_WnPPlExx8h6V233
@@ZeroRed78 This shouldn't be all that different to any game that has an MMR system that is trying to keep you at a 50% win rate. If you lose more than you win it feeds you easier matches until things balance out. If you win more than you lose it does the opposite. Playing against bottom of the barrel humans can honestly be easier than bots because they not only have weak movement, and bad aim but the worst human players also make gigantic mental errors. They stagger themselves and refuse to reset, try to ult one vs. six, or ult to chase kills when a team fight is already won, they refuse to swap, or ego-swap, throw away the value of early picks by overextending and feeding, go AFK in spawn to rage at teammates, outright rage-quit, etc.
I promise you there are human players in both this game, and overwatch, who are just as impossible to lose to as bots. Even more so in this game because it damn near lets you lose in spawn when you get an entire team of duellists who don't even realise they have no supports until three team fights in for example.
As a venom main, i had no idea he could turn that quick on the walls
Regarding the BOTS, I will have to test this myself. I always practice VS. BOTS on Hard Difficulty every log in to warm up. Im very familiar with how BOTS behave in this game... and they aint completely dumb. Bots will push, flank, they dont spam ULTS, ect. They even spawn trap if the majority of your team gets wiped, and fall back to objectives. The AI Bots have an aim assist a medium to long-range and bots legit lock on to you at close range to them(how I know this is from a BOT Punisher on a turret. Its impossible to jump and/or dash around him to flank him. The bot tracks you perfectly). So I will be on the look out for these things from now on in QP lobbies.
About the FPS? The way it effects damage and heals will be a deciding factor in teams from now on(even if you cant do anything to change it). Toxicity in this game will no doubt get worse because of this discovery.
From my experience, what people are saying about the behavior of bots in QP line up with the activity of Easy AI match bots (specifically, beelining to a control point if your team is at 99%).
You’ll see usernames like MirandaCho and you can go invisible with loki and go up behind them and the second you become visible they will 180 degree lock on to you
As a developer myself, they might be tying a lot of movement or movement based abilities to every physics frame to stop people on low end PC's falling through platforms like bridges etc., detecting collisions and all that jazz. Think of it like an animation, everything has to happen in each frame. At higher frames, your character is able to do more within a second because you're getting 260 "frames" in that second, and each frame it's running code for damage, collisions, all of that. But low end PC's are only getting 30 frames, and are only producing 30 actions each second. So they're only getting 30 frames worth of movement, damage, all of it. It IS unreal engine 5, so they might not be using physics frames., but it might be an equivalent. Physics frames are also very heavy and might limit FPS even further as you as a player are forced to run physics calculations every frame (you don't need to run them for other players, just yourself).
a meter or two of distance doesn't seem like much difference, so long as you don't think of it as a whiffed ability vs an ability that lands. Most times it won't make a difference, but when it does, it really sucks. What happens when people 6 stack with high end pcs and purposefully chose character skins that have the most poly's and moving particle effects to try and debuff the enemy team... in some other games people abuse stuff like this to make people with low end rigs crash
in my experience some people like doing it with strange if you put his portal up around a team fight it lags I have a pretty good pc and it still drops my fps a bit so i imagine its much worse for low end systems. I have a few skins and I honestly use them cause I like the skins I don't want to make anyone crash.
I feel bad cause I am older now and don't have anyone to spend money on but me and my cat so I actually want even more of an upgrade to play mh wilds at higher fps if it runs as bad as the beta. That was the first game my system couldn't hold over 80fps in a game and I had dips down to 45.
I honestly don't want to crash anyone just use the skins I paid for and I don't disagree with more optimization and hope everyone with a low end system gets to a place in their life where everything is better including their gaming rig.
@@jjay2771hey don’t worry play the game how you wanna play, these are very specific circumstances and I’m sure you having one unique skin out of only a few players in a lobby won’t make anyone crash. If you had 5 other friends doing the same thing and trying to crash people it’d be different but don’t sweat it
Netease has had only show your/teammates skins in other games so I could see that being a thing if there's a skin that actually just straight up affects performance.
SF5 Gill comes to mind…
They really took that "frames win games" saying to heart.
Is there a cutoff where more fps has no further movement/damage benefits? Is it 160fps?
120 fps
120 fps is the cutoff for any benefit
@@xxcridonxx7614 They are talking about the bug not the feel in general.
@@GreatWalker yes that’s what I’m saying. The gaming merchant mad a video and the cutoff for all the differences due to fps ends at 120 fps or higher
Its quite common in games to be coded around frames. Remember fire abilities dealing way too much dmg in Diablo with super high fps because it allowed faster damage ticks
Bro why did Netease program the bots to tell me to k myself?
That's just cruel!
what makes this worse is the fact that rivals has the most shitty optimisation in the world
My IRL friends and I are abusing the bot lobbies. Me and my duo are D2 and our friends are bronze/silver. If we get two losses in a row we get the bot lobbies and are doing the harder achievments to obtain during those bot lobbies. 😅
Their profiles are always "restricted" as opposed to "limited" when a human has hidden their profile. They always show up as Xbox players as well.
Ai gamemode counts for all progress, so I wouldn’t say abusing.
@@illitaret8780I play a few games of Practice VS AI everything I log in. My stats, achievements, proficiency have never been effected by these lobbies. The only thing that is effected is the Daily/Weekly Challenges(which is why I mainly play these bot lobbies).
@illitaret8780 I know vs ai mode doesn't count for Profeciency I already tested that. It does work for daily/weekly missions. I didn't think to try for achievements there though.
Just gives us stuff to do when playing with our IRL friends who aren't very good lol
the strange bug is def the worst of these. at low fps you don't even move faster than running speed so using your shift to kite when you're low becomes impossible. you just hover over the enemy team so all you can do is hold shield while ur getting healed and you burn through your whole shield hp
Happy New Year Everyone!!! who is your fav character in rivals?
Your mom
Your Ma
Dr strange and hawkeye
(I ain't gonna say ur mom i gotchu bro)
Your mom
Your Dad
This feels like in Resident Evil 2 Remake where the knife, a weapon that would break after a handful of uses, became the most powerful weapon in the game because one swipe would hit multiple times at framerates above 60.
rivals is objectively jank. which is fine but if you are used to games performing well and playing smoothly in OW and others this game wont ever be that.
people love to hate on ow but the game runs exceptionally well. honeymoon phase starting to wear down, itll be interesting to see where people land on this. if this kind of issue was in a lot of other games it would be a death sentence.
Your opinion is objectively jank
It's because what matters the most is a fun game. I honestly don't care how well optimized Overwatch is because I've had no interest to go back and play it for years. I can forgive Marvel Rivals having bad optimization because it's been incredibly fun and already got over 100 hours of enjoyment out of it.
Marvel ip is carrying rn. Any other game would've been dumped already
@@horicrow2657 jank isnt an insult its an observation. jank fighting games and shooting games have been popular in the past. but in modern gaming most jank games (multiverses, nick toons brawl, arcade sports games, ect) havent had large playerbases.
only game slike mario kart and mario party have been huge jank games recently and those games are old now. mario kart 8 relased in 2014
@@pfalzFinest then thats fine. but what im saying if OW was filling lobbies with bots, had this level of performance issues when it launched it wouldn't be excused.
as for rivals fun factor its there but the question is does it have the depth needed to keep hardcore players because causals move on they always do. ask mortal kombat.
I saw the bot thing in quickplay first hand yesterday, it was crazy. The Loki only placed clones by going invisible.
The amount of people that I've gotten into full on arguments with because I said there were bots and someone on my team was like "Ur toxic it's a new game people are still learning!" 🤦♂
I wonder if this is an unreal engine problem because this EXACT same thing happened in Tarkov a few years back where the fire rate of your gun was tied to FPS. Made it miserable to have fights.
Does this make Rivals pay to win?
Technically, until they fix it
What do you expect from a Chinese game?
@@fortunawolf8852 that's crazy
There's literally a min and recommended settings for the game.. lol ppl mad cause their 1050 is getting 20fps... bro.... cmon
@@isaiahgreen5287 it's called a joke? You know how people always complain about pay to win?
After doing a quick test, frame generation definitely affects this. If you are lower than 160 fps I'd recommend turning it on, it might sacrifice some input delay though so keep that in mind.
the loading time to determine low FPS players idk how accurate that would be, because for example OW, i get 400 fps at 1440p, and whenever its either my first game of the day or if i just open the application, my harddrive doesn't like to go fast, so loading OW can take up to 3 minutes, game load speed, sometimes i get in slower then console players lmao. (for anyone curious, i smacked my hard drive a while back and yeah its been a bit slower since, she still works fine though)
You have a computer that can do 400fps at 1440p and you're using a hard drive?! Buy an M.2 NVME SSD my guy!
@@Alfabravo313 fr lmao
As someone who plays Identity V (the other game by netease), there are actually two types of bots in that game. There are stupid easy bots that appear when you're on a really bad loosing streak and slightly smarter bots that come up whenever in quick match. The second type appears so often that, as a casual player, I stopped playing as much because playing with and against bots is so unfun and will show up even if I'm on a winning streak. I called the second type 'slightly smarter' but sometimes it feels like the teammate bots are actually dumber because often times they'll just stand still and do NOTHING or rescue at half health when the bot is playing a character that CANNOT successfully do that. The hunter (opponent) bots feel actually a little smarter than the first type which would be fine if the bot teammates weren't absolutely horrible. The second type of bots didn't used to be here (only existing for more than a couple months) they're also more common in lower tiers which most casual players will be because ranked is horrible and most people don't want to play it. Though that is mostly because of other players toxicity, which has been getting worse. I'm just saying I'd rather wait a couple minutes and loose against real people than wait under a minute and win/tie with braindead bots because its NOT FUN.
Bots are super easy to identify from how fast they ready up, how they move, and the decisions they make in game. I would not be surprised if Rivals gets loads of bots and ruins the experience for casual players.
The moment i put the game into a ssd nvme the loading into matches and fps got significantly better. After that i didnt load into the game late anymore. DO NOT download the game into a hdd, significantly hinders your gameplay is all that will do.
Nvme is definitely where it's at nowadays. They're so good.
Bro i have to beg my gf not to install stuff she wants to run without problems on her hdd
Why did u even try to install this onto a hard drive?
@@47dynasty28it's much cheaper than nvme per TB.
Lower fps = less dmg and movement
Strange portal = Lower fps
I might have found another purpose for Strange portal
Strong defensive cooldown
The most shocking part is discovering that some people didn't already know that bot lobbies existed.
Lol. I thought bots were obvious. This is why i refuse to play quick match
It's because in OW is more subtle.
This is my first game of this style. (Ignoring my 1 hour in OW beta. That game was trash from the start) so I just thought people sucked real bad. I also never watch kill cam so that could be it too
@@albinofroggy instagram just released that they are adding AI generated bot profiles. Are these real comments? 🤔
@@TheDorianTubeThe only bots in OW comes from people who want to farm playtime to sell their accounts, you could never match an entire team made of bots. Also the "official" overwatch bots are really fucking bad, it would be completely obvious if you have a team full of them
There is also a potential additional application to the quickplay bots
A way for players to actually complete some of their achievements for the blue currency and both the Storm and Star-Lord skins
Its Unreal Engine 5. They could possible fix all this later because this wasnt a thing in testing until full release. Ig we need just to wait for get things a bit better on low pc. But its still not the game itself, its most of the time bad optimization of Unreal Engine 5
Stop with the euphemism
@@shrek2542 its just true what are you talking about. Unreal Engine 5 is from 2022 its only 2 years and still pretty new for game dev. And its also true that this engine has bad optimization and also sometimes it really connect with FPS to some details (like movement ability in Marvel Rivals as we can see). And this is really bad and should be fixed, but its still the Unreal Engine 5 problem overall, not the game itself. Of course they could use another one when started making game but we got what we have and lets just wait.
@@He7atiB Bro, you cannot distinguish between the game itself and the engine if the game has problems.
Plus its never "the engine", its ALWAYS the developers fault if the game has technicall difficultis.
@@shrek2542 that's why I said they need to fix this ASAP. But this is still the problem of ALL Unreal Engine 5 games you can't just ignore this and say that only marvel rivals are bad. This is the problem of engine overall not only one game.
This only exists because abilities are coded a certain way. It shouldn't be tied to fps to begin with and has nothing to do with the bad performance
That is so amazing! I was wondering why I was so fast, way too fast for my taste. Now I can play the game slower and get more control of my favorite fast heroes by just playing with low fps. What a feature this is ❤
maybe hot take or a truth people don't wanna hear but if this game wasn't a Marvel game then people wouldn't be praising it and would be calling it unbalanced and unfinished and unpolished
Edit: yall are right about Marvel has nothing to do with it. What im trying to say is that things like the fps issue and the mouse acceleration thing shouldn't be acceptable from any game
No. Because the game is simply fun. You’re free to stop playing though
I feel like that's true for the 2nd part alot more than the firsr
That's kinda true but people don't hesitate to call marvel projects trash if it is like the last four years of marvel projects are called bad and they're plenty of marvel games that are called trash
@@EdWuncler3rd hey real quick tell me where I said that the game wasn't fun
Actually didnt play the betas because I hate the marvel tings so much but tried this game once it did come out and its straight bussin
this happened on Risk of Rain 2 after the second DLC, things like speed of bullets shot by you and hit can result into more ticks of dmg cause of fps.
IVE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TECH YOU WERE DOING TO GO THAT FAR ON STRANGE!
Try holding space before levitation. This got me similar results with lower fps
I didn't know Strange was supposed to have horizontal movement with his fly . . .
So is anyone else having matchmaking issues in quick match??? Sometimes it inserts me into an ending game & sometimes its loading through a finished one & the arrow shows highlight moment when scrolling properly....
It happened to me once or twice
It reminds me of another game where the durability of items would break faster if you had higher fps (dont remember from where that was tho if someone as an idea).
Honeymoon phase is over and people finally start noticing major problems this game has
LOL
Not really cause the game is still fun.
My wifi bill was $140 I get an offer for $50 same speed with another company. I call my wifi, they lowered it to $40. I call the other company, they lowered it to $30. I call my wifi company again. They lowered it to $20 a month and doubled the speed to 2gb Fiber, Unlimited Data, No contract.
Retention seems to be verrryyyy important to companies.
You'd be surprised how many people are okay playing against bots. I remember listening to a dev QnA for a card battler game I've forgotten the name of (like Hearthstone or Shadowverse basically) and one thing that shocked me was just how many players they said just log on to play against bots; despite the game's PvP focus. I think something similar could be true for Marvel Rivals even if people don't necessarily know at the moment that they get bot lobbies.
I only get bot games when I lose to many games in a row. I'm not looking for bots but sometimes I just want to kill some bots after getting destroyed last game lol
I don't really care about playing bots in a card game. I do not want to play against them in a FPS or a 3PS.
if people want to play against bots why not choose the play against bots option
I swear ive gotten bots on my team in quick play. There is no other way to explain the usernames, and going 2-24, and actively running into walls
Us console players down bad
But you can play at 120 fps at least
@@theelusivememe1772if your tv/monitor support that topped off with needed a pretty good connection to even allow that. cause i was on a hotspot before and got the packet loss after death bs in rivals. upgraded internet and now that much is fixed. the graphics on this game is already higher compared to space marine 2 actually so the sheer amount of stuff happening can still tank the consoles fps and other stuff.
@@theelusivememe1772please do some testing yourself before saying some bs or dont say anything at all
@@SamFagundes what do u mean. Like there is literally a setting to put it at 120, nothing i said is wrong
Am i stupid cus i can't find that setting
@@theelusivememe1772
Im so glad that he saw stuff about bots in quick match.