Hi there, Kartikeya here! Adding info to some things Shumi and I spoke about in the video and some extra fact nuggets you might like: -The 7.2KW charger cost was Rs50,000 pre-facelift. Should remain the same. - Vehicle to Vehicle charge transfer rates - Nexon to Nexon - 50km - in 1.2 hours, to any other vehicle it is 50km in 2 hours. - If you were wondering about the digital real estate on offer - The Empowered gets - a 12.3” (centre) + 10 (driver), its 10” + 10” on the Fearless and 7” + 7” on the Creative - Motor noise is 3dB lower, which helps with the quietness - Tyres have reduced rolling resistance by 10%. The range has gone up by about 30kms. It adds up. 😊 - Weight distribution is 50:50. Quasi BMW! - Eco mode is capped at 120kmph. City mode went past an indicated 140kph. Thanks for joining in the conversation!
I think in the past they have claimed a LRR tyres on the nexon, but mine has the same ecotread tyres which is shared with the ICE. I don't know why they claim that.
ev to ev charging is an welcome thing. This comes in handy at places where fast chargers are not available or further away from the location where you are at but you have a fellow ev owner who can then top you up just enough to reach to the nearest charger.
I love the fact that Kartikeya is like a little child, so excited when talking about a car and Shumi is like that no-nonsense uncle who just can't wrap his head around all these new gimmicks these manufacturers provide. As I grow older, I can empathize with Shumi more and more. 😂
I feel that this is their strength. One will be a listener for bikes and the other will be a listener for cars. THAT gives us the feel of being involved in the conversation with this listener's POV. Superb combo❤
His insights(sarcasms) are sooo on point! Sometimes it feels like - Hmm, why didn't anyone mention this before which was right infront of everyone's eyes! 😂 And then karthik also gives that - "Whaaaat?! I DUNNO" reaction! So funny and beautiful! 😂
I am convinced that the idea of separating the ICE and EV videos was the best. So much to learn. Tata EV is on a great heading and their efforts show. The 12 inch brilliant screen that wowed Kartik would also be appreciated a lot by the folks stuck in traffic jams 😊 Wonder if this was the inspiration behind it ?
Watching the World Cup on Hotstar would be a nice use case when stuck in Pune/Bangalore traffic. On the condition that it would stop the video bit and continue the audio as soon as the car moves 😊
I have a bone to pick with the Nexon. The charging is just too slow. Having it as someone's only car, you will end up doing some long distances some time over your ownership period of 5-8 years, and having to wait an hour at a desolate station to get back home can get really irritating very quickly. They need to fix that in their future models. Once you have enough range, which this does, charging speed matters a lot. And Tata have stopped the ball again
Given the limitations of the charging infrastructure and batteries in general, speeding up the charging process won't be easy. Also, electric vehicles cannot serve as single vehicle garages if long distance road trip duties are expected. Also, no matter how quick the charging times become, one will have to wait for an hour, which also depends on whether charging slot is free or not.
This series and the conversation is just fantastic. I'm sure most of us wouldn't mind a little bit longer episodes as well. Splendidly put together and presented. Compliments to the whole team.
Just a thought: This format of MotorInc First for older vehicles would be so cool. I feel a conversation between these 2 covers so much more about the vehicle than a review story does. And I can listen to them endlessly. ❤
Unsurprisingly fantastic. I am a car guy. I dream about motorcycles, but I know I can't risk my life on two wheels whenever I drive out. But I love Shumi's expression of exasperation at all the fussy car jargon, "personas", and minor features made out to be life-changing.
Even by Tata Motors standards and their penchant for special editions, they have taken it way too far this time. I agree with Shumi. The bosses at Tata Motors slipped up, they could have curated this far better. Too much meaningless choice makes it difficult to select the variant you want to buy. Nexon crossed that line and just kept on running, with someone sleeping at the wheel😅.
Using nexon max from past 6 months as a primary car. Doing intercity every day about 220 km. End of the day left with 35-40% with avarage speed of 75kmph. The game is all about speed vs range. Highest i travelled 280km with 13% left with 75kmph speed. On other hand covered 152km in just 32% with the avarage speed of 58kmph. When you are using continuously you got to know better about your vehicle.
The XUV4OO felt like a unfinished project in comparison to the older Nexon EV and now with the Nexon.ev (dotted for extra pleasure?), they seem to have take the game 2-3 inches.. err.. notches above the existing XUV4OO and I think its a good thing. One, competition is always good. Customers are usually who benefit from it and secondly, the XUV4OO facelift is still in testing phase, so we can expect a lot of changes to either keep up or outclass the Nexon.ev. Offtopic, but I am wondering what Mahindra was doing after acquiring Maini Reva. They had the EV tech much much before Tata probably even started with the Nexon project and they just chose to just sit on it. They could have had the first mover advantage. But anyways, I think Tata did a fantastic job with the Nexon and even more so with the Nexon.ev. I feel (or rather assume) that the single pedal driving can still be achieved via a software update. While you talk about emergency braking, I think since the physical brakes can work in tandem with the regen braking, that shouldn't be a cause for concern. They could anyways limit the single pedal driving feature to say something below 40-50kmph. That way the issue of safety wouldn't be a concern at highway speeds. Did you guys get to check the headlamp performance of the Nexon /.ev? LED lighting seems cool and all but in almost every practical case its just overrated (Though Shumi's Ferocio could probably light up a concert). Its more to do with the color temperature than tech itself. it causes eye irritating for oncoming traffic cuz they use high beam as low beam doesn't really illuminate the road well. May be manufacturters should move to 4300k LEDs. Nexons has had the issue of being immovable if they break down (not sure if it is the case with other EVs too), have seen a few blocking apartment exits, roads etc. Has Tata done anything to address the issue?
Hey LWM! Didn’t get to check headlamps. Will keep that in mind for next time. Regen - just software won’t cut it - because the higher regen charge can’t be channelised to the battery. Will check about the lock issue.
What Shumi said is absolutely right here that the regen is designed for the engineer's goals rather than user's goals in any other vehicle. To add to it, back when I was working with the team doing regen part (not in tata), we had asked this question but the need to provide regen in a vehicle to showcase as a feature is much higher than giving a usable feature. The 7% number can be practicle although the theory suggests more than 10%, but even the testing team really struggled to reach that number. If you so aggressively focus on getting the highest regen possible, you will end up degrading your driving experience for sure.
In city, a range of 120 kms is good enough to become a primary car! Here in Bangalore, there are several charging points and there’s no reason for range anxiety.
Large Cities like Bangalore, Mumbai Delhi etc will build charging infrastructure, for smaller tier2 and tier3 cities, range is not a problem as people don’t drive 120kms a day and can always charge at their homes. It’s only for long distance travel, range becomes an issue.
@@motorinc we live South of Electronic City, and have 4 x 100+ JioBP-Pulse charger parks as well as multiple Statiq/Shell and others within a 10km radius. I think the range debate is a deflection on the real issue, which is simple - investments made for ICE engines/cars will have to be used up & purveyors of fossil fuels fuel our elections too.
@@ashiqshajoos378 Kerala, booked two weeks before. They had 2 vehicles in transit during my booking, I arranged funds and confirmed one of them. Actual waiting period is 1.5 to 2 months .
If medium range Nexon is used 1,60,000 Km in eight years how much it will save compair to ICE Nexon with same Km running.(Add approximate maintenance cost of both.)
About 16lakh if you consider 10 rupee per km for petrol Nexon... ev with 1..2 rupee per km. I suggest you to invest in solar if possible to save that bit also ..
As a country, Bharat needs a national EV technology mission. To develop all software, hardware design and battery technology and rare earth free motors, batteries, and design charging network. Companies can then license this technology and build their own cars.
@@motorinc I would argue that India should stop FAME2 subsidies and PLI schemes and use that money for developing core EV technologies. This will spur industrial development and value creation.
This is सत्संग for automotive enthusiasts! And the USP of this is absence of sudden and loud music in between. Just clear sound and discussion and that’s it. You guys are doing it great. 👍🏻
These discussions feel like a breath of fresh air for the hungry mind! Gamechanger! One suggestion- Time availability is a real constraint for most of us. 3 formats- Long(30-45min), Medium(10-15min), Short (your faq style series of shorts) should serve a larger audience!
Guys, I'm still waiting for the videos on the Jimny.... Are there any on the way? I thought there would be a more detailed one involving a comparison with the Thar
The problem with EVs in this price range is that the premium one pays against the ICE counterpart takes nearly 1-1.2 lakh km to set off against the fuel cost saving. This, on an average, would take 8 years (@12000 km/year driving). Coincidentally, 8 years is also the time when battery warranty expires, and if anything happens to it post warranty, thats 5-6 lakhs worth of replacement. Given that we have zero clue about resale value of EVs and accounting the battery factor, I feel EVs desperately need a price cut as value proposition isn't very clear. Is a price cut even possible? No. Feels like EVs are just a transitional placeholder till we find a viable gasoline substitute. Hydrogen fuel? Only time will tell.
Fearless+ Petrol DCA is 16.4L and F+ EV LR is 19.4L EMI Diff is around 5K (19k vs 24k), if you spend more than 60k per year in fuel + servicing then it makes sense to go EV, if not then use petrol while prices drop This difference halves when you compare XZ+ tiago LR and XZA+ tiago AMT to 1.5L so technically, so does breakeven. All these prices are without subsidy.
@@shresthsonkar9207 At what point does EV make sense completely depends on in how much time one wants to retrieve his extra initial investment (on EV over ICE). In Nexon's case and for an average user, it is 8 years (so it doesn't make sense). If someone wants it in 2 years, his driving should increase by 4 times which translates to roughly 50,000 km per year, which is extraordinarily high even for commercial purposes. For Tiago EV, an average user will get ROI in 50-60k km, which is decent enough. Now what companies are doing is, in order to reduce the ICE-EV delta, instead of reducing EV prices, they're increasing ICE prices especially at the top end!
@@vardanrathi7777 60K difference per year for Nexon EV comes to 5y for 3L premium The one for Tiago will be barely 2.5y The 60k is worth only 600L of fuel per year ie 9K km of driving in a year@15kmpl, a reasonable mileage for Nexon petrol. For everyone above 9k, it’ll be cheaper to go EV provided they have the budget. Regarding price hikes of ICE, it’s natural that newer pollution norms, safety norms and engine tech will need price hikes. I’m not advocating for the companies but even they have to run a business and pay people working for them. At the same time, these norms are also important to keep evolving in terms of safety and emissions as well.
Here is the deal, India is yet to reach the charging infrastructure penetration for 200km range even though the Metro city folks see charging stations regularly. . We need a real world 300km range for this thing to take off. I am talking about an average user like me who doesn't mind not having AC intermittently over my journey. . Pune Mumbai is okay but Pune Solapur or Pune Kolhapur or Pune Nasik is not there yet. Plus apart from Gujarat, other states don't have that kind of infrastructure. I have driven from Pune to Indor and it doesn't inspire confidence in me that EV would be feasible for such travel. There are such large patches all over india
Here is a wild guess.... Every Indian car and motorbike company key people have been asked by their bosses to subscribe to motorinc and never miss any of shumi's and Karti's videos.
Really appreciate you talking about single-pedal driving. 😊 I have one question, when it comes to aggressive regen, how important it is to engage the break light for safety concern ❓
Thank you for the clarity. Please would you suggest nexon ev for a daily commute of around 80-100kms. Which is financially more viable ice or ev. If ice which one petrol or diesel.
Both videos are very informative and specific, got me more clarity on the EV. Any chance to get a Hybrid for TATA ? Harrier with 2 Ltr ICE and a good battery pack which will be fun with added independent suspension which they miss still or may be i am just trying to fit all good things in one car @20- 25 lakhs :)
Glad you enjoyed the video. A hybird Tata would also make a lot of sense and we hope they are on to something. As the Grand Vitara and the Toyota Hyrider have demonstrated, hybrids are a big success.
@@motorinc Recall seeing a video clip of a journalist asking Tata Motors about hybrids, and they suggested that car makers who don't have competitive EVs may need hybrids for compliance with CAFE rules, and said that Tata Motors don't need hybrids and their focus is pure BEVs. It is possible that it is truer of their passenger vehicles than LCVs.
We are not ready for full EV's yet till we have the grid setup everywhere :) Hybrids are the way to go atleast for me is what i think , hope we get better hybrids @@dgupta42
A thought about the aerodynamic wheels on EVs and ICEs. On ICEs, most of the braking is done by… well… the brakes. With all the heavy lifting they do, I think that these brakes need better ventilation than their EV counterparts whose brakes, while dealing with more mass/momentum, are aided by the regenerative braking by a large degree. Hence, with EVs, aerodynamic alloys suddenly become a viable way of making the car more slippery and thus more efficient while this is not possible with their ICE counterparts.
Great video per usual! But partially disagree with one point here. That is with respect to single pedal driving. Having had a Nexon EV Max , for a year now, i agree that single pedal driving is not intuitive. Its a slightly longer learning curve. I do 60 plus kms everyday of ORR driving, west BLR to east BLR, and after about 2k kms on the ODO, the regen is good enough that you adapt to single pedal driving automatically. There have been days where ive done the 30km to office without touching the brakes apart from the need to engage autohold. The previous gen Nexon Max blew my mind to the extent of sophistication that was on offer from Tata. And the fact that my previous car was a Indica Vista for a better part of a decade, it felt very natural when i shifted over to the EV max. And this iteration, is gonna be even better! Great car for what you get for the price IMO. Only thing i would have liked would be the option of turning off creep mode, then absolute single pedal would be possible with a bit of practice. On the range front, 280 to 300 km is easily possible with sedate driving. In my ownership experience, the worst that i got was 250km to 8% soc and the best ive had was 322km to 2% soc(range anxiety was real that day). Keeping the soc between 85% and 20% should give 240 to 260km on a regular basis once you get used to the car.
Hi Kartikeya/Shumi, Your channel and specifically these 101 conversations are just another level. Your content, knowledge , humor, delivery & everything is just amazing..Kudos!! I drove the Empowered + and I am very positively surprised. It's a great package I feel. Just a query - Why everyone discusses just the math when it comes to comparison between EV vs Petrol/Diesel?? I drove Seltos ( IVT and DCT), Creta, City but none of them comes even iota close to the kind of drive quality Nexon.ev provided. Especially the Sports mode was just so much fun, the acceleration and then smoothness. None of this I saw in other mentioned cars, but still in all reviews it concludes with number of km you need to run to make this economically viable. Is there something a miss here?
11) I don't agree on bigger battery pack size for better ReGen; but they do need bigger buffers in the BMS. 12) I don't want to comment on the OE tyres because that brand is our family's top-favourite for ICE cars going back; but there is a huge difference in performance from another brand. 13) What is a "good range"? 20% and upwards. My spouse gets 15% or so better kms per percentage point than I do. I'm heavier and I also have a heavier foot. 14) The Nexon Max steering . . . story of the cups. Maybe TaMo engineers will update you! 15) Sunroof - increased overall weight of the car. Yes. 16) Top variant without sunroof, owner's delight, dealer's hmmmm 17) Not just heavy battery pack on rough roads, but no engine speed messing with the complete dynamics, please also see "critical speeds" and vibrations therein. 18) "Continuous Cell Balancing", thanks, that's news!! 19) 3.3 charger vs 7.2 charger; makes a big difference for the safe load at home, people need to figure out the increase in fixed costs. 20) Display system, frankly, the older Nexon EV Prime has better tactile controls especially for EV. And as for watching TV in the car, my fast charger location in BLR has a bar attached which serves draught beer at 99/- a pint, welcome to Electronic City. 21) Instead of seat-charging, pragmatic customers like me would like a few pragmatic changes - physical locks for the USB ports known & hidden; built in dashcam wiring front & rear; re-build both the apps. (to be continued)
Car brands should feel completely at ease with their naming choices. Shumi and Kartikay are just waiting eagerly to shower them with endless praise and admiration for their impeccable taste in naming the variants.
Shumi talking about cars, even if it’s just a briefing is something we don’t see everyday. Talking about the variant list from TATA it irritates even a person who prefers cars, so shumi would be twice as irritated in this manner😂
Karthik maybe forgot about a cool feature. Understandable. But the DRL in the front of Nexon EV indicates the level of charging. Which is pretty neat for this segment.
Neat, but a gimmick. As the light doesn’t stay on. It comes on for a bit at the start of charging. Unlikely you will be able to make use of it after walking away since the car will be facing toward the charger in most cases.
Tata and Mahindra need to split up their car units to free up EV designs from ICE heritage. All EVs must have ADAS level-2 or above. ADAS will allow cars to be built safer and this simplifies body design. EV must be built around car OS - which like Tesla forms a central brains of the car - instead of a mix of several systems. In short, EV needs a ground up re-engineering, and this cannot be achieved by tying it up with ICE cars.
Any idea, what is the resale value of Nexon EV? Don't want to be in a situation where I buy a 19 lakh EV and after 6 years the 2nd owner says that the battery is exhausted or useless now and 2nd owner has to spend say 7 lakhs to buy a new battery pack. As a result, a 19 lakh EV instead of having a resale value of 10 lakh after 6 years has a resale value of 2-3 lakh by weight?
Ev car’s are not suitable for primary car.. Because lack of unplanned journey. In medical emergency time we can not plan journey.. in emergency time we cannot give half an hour time to ev cars to charge.. in emergency time you will be not having enough time to take care of your loved one, in that circumstance who can you go out to charge you ev car..
I agree to what Kartikeya said and wanted to add something about Shumi's remark of one pedal driving on the Tesla - based on a 13 month long ownership and 20k kms driven on a Tesla Model 3 Long Range in the US. One pedal driving is predictable for the most part when it comes to braking but it is not as accurate as using a mechanical brake which becomes like a 2nd nature to you. One pedal driving can alter its behaviour based on the battery / motor temp, outside temp and also the state of charge. I have had experiences specially during the cold winters of Eastern United states that the regen brake felt way too weak and even though tesla compensates it by using friction brakes automatically to give you the same feel as that of regen but it still feels off at times. All in all one pedal driving is still a must have in EVs because it adds to the ease of use.
I love your channel!!! Indeed it is underated rn my gut feeling says this channel is gonna be a big name in future ❤ keep going we love your mature and on point conversation
I was actually considering buying a CURVV EV & didn't get much good videos out there. But this conversation solved all the questions I had although its about the NEXON EV.
Hi @vishnuashokkumar1782! Thanks for watching this one but we actually have a similar one for the Curvv EV too, check it out here: ruclips.net/video/vzfeTQmW1gw/видео.htmlsi=Sm2DmGm9qBgwfW1R
Hi. Please make a video on diesel cars. Is it advisable to buy diesel in 2023 especially for big Suvs like harrier and xuv700. I think thats a needed discussion.
Hey Kannan, the caveat is - you need to have highway used factored into your use. The regeneration process of the catalytic converter needs fast highway running. Without which it won’t drive smoothly. Many kilometers need to be clocked for it to be worth it too. So, do you really need diesel? We would recommend strong hybrids.
@@motorinc what do u think about 5star ratings at 64km/hr with UNSTABLE BODYSHELL? Good enuf to pass the 5star exam but a killer in real world? Verna Safe or unsafe at 70km/hr or above? (Yes, assuming driving responsibly but accidents happen)
@@motorinc lol. I wonder how all these new tech will age on tata cars. Don't trust the service guys will handle them with care. I can already foresee the steering panel coming back from the service centre with a lot of scratches. Please do ask the tata management at the new harrier/safari launch if they can upgrade those glossy black panels to scratch resistant material.
As a person who have done multiple 1300+ km trips in a nexon EV prime my opinion is watching OTT is not the best way to kill time in an EV while charging. It's fuelling up yourself. Where do we use DC fast charging? Inter-district long highway trips. When do we generally stop for food? Around every 4hours. We take food stops even in an ICE car. By syncing the car's charging and our foodstops & washroom breaks (It's possible with planning) we can reduce the "extra time due to charging" for the trip. needless to say, risk appetite is the deciding factor for EV long trips
Hi there! I bought a ford ikon about a year ago 2009 model that with a engine of a fiesta (TDCI) the engine was in good condition but that was it!!! Everything thing else was NOT SO GOOD . And i drove this car 50k kilometre in this short period and i guess it was too much for the car to handle because now I’ve been facing plroblems like my lower arm was in bad condition but I didn’t realised untill my tyres were totally “ganje😂” then my ac compressor needed to be replaced then some other parts too . But still i like the way it drives , its soo natural and raw so should i consider applying for the re-registration because it just runs well or just let it sit in my garage because i bought it for 60 k so already paisa vasool liya maine gaadi ka
I don't have a question but a caution 1. Nexon ev charging gun always locks in pretty bad when charging is paused or stopped 2. Nexon real range is just 220 kms for Long range varients 3. Roi ,thats something you guys are not discussing 4. Whats happens post 7 years ,is tata have a infra to swap batteries 5. Post sales , service issues why you guys are not toching this point 6.what about people leaving in rental flats like cites in mumbai , banglore etc where landlord refuses to get a charger installation 7. What about RSA once battery dies of ,tata has those niggels 8. More over is it really green energy when our power plants are still using coal and other fossils Please paint a clear picture this is not a trend ,ev is a dead stick for now and an anxiety RANGE anxiety Do you want to suffer with it
Hi Shrikanth, the range will vary depending on driving style and conditions. We agree with and understand your point of view - the ROI will make sense for a few. You have to decide it’s worth it or not.
Tata should seriously work on their naming convention. Right now, it's juvenile & plain stupid. Not to mention the massive confusion it creates for a buyer. Trust me, this confusion is enough to drive a customer straight out of a Tata showroom. Please try and work on simplifying this terrible thing that you guys have started. And you should have really fixed the interior issues / ergonomic bugs too. P.S. - I'm a prospective buyer and I will be stepping into one of your showrooms pretty soon.
I hate Shumi's sarcasims, he interruptus Kartikeya and iterjects his flow. Plz stop doing that. I have watched Kartikeya solo covering and it use to be so much more enjoyable. With Shumi it became artificial and he shows he knows better but using Kartikeya like a dummy
Hey shumi sir. Can we have a discussion about suggestions of first fared bikes like rr310s gixxers 250 etc for guys who got bullets and jawas and whatnot for the looks but want to get onto riding riding.. I wouldn't say it would be an upgrade to the performance but a gateway to learning riding and not just commuting
I agree that a half-baked ADAS system is next to useless in India, but why isn't there any attempt to ape some useful parking features like the auto parallel park assist or the move car forward or backward from your key a la Hyundai, to get in and out of tight parking spaces? Those are definitely helpful and idiot proof. EVs should be futuristic and thus are the perfect carriers for features like these.
Everyone talks about range, features, price and running cost. Can you have one discussion about long term cost like how much range degrades every year, cost of replacing the battery. I believe after 7 to 8 years range will be very less and we may need to replace it. After replacing will it be cheaper than petrol?
Whenever Shumi says "I Understand" in reply to Karthik.. it just reminds me of some interviewer who plans next question based on your answer just to trap you. 🤯🤯
Does the MID RANGE is sufficient if daily commute is 40k and once a 6 month 200 km one way trip long drive? Some points which were not discussed in any of the online platforms? Does the battery life goes down leading to more recharging cycles after 5 years. Does the cars range goes down gradually every year and at what percentage?..if not does not stay same for 8 years ? Just like smart phones which goes dead suddenly in an average of 3 years. Does the same thing might happen with ev cars? Let say after 7 years the battery condition is bad or worst ,Do companies have provision to replace it with new battery and what would be the cost of it Even if do 40 km daily and that compare to a petrol car, i will be benefited approx after 5 years with added range anxiety...
You can get a MR - the range is sufficient for what 40km/200km. - Batteries have reserve capacity - the cells of which are used to balance battery health and longevity. So don’t worry about range slumping. It can happen - but would be rare. -You have a 8 year warranty so if anything goes wrong before that you will get a replacement - yes, batteries can be replaced.
Is price discussion coming up in next vid? The way prices are rising , It still feels kind of hard to justify to myself purchasing top model of sub 4 meter cars instead of mid level car of next segment.
Hope with the ev cars, car makers keep it simple variant differences limited to range n charging speed and not those usual bells n whistles! N Nexon ev for sure looks like ev n premium now in flesh, good job by tata.
Don't get me wrong, but kartikeya tries too hard to please his master (shumi) and it can be seen in these videos as well, just like subordinates smile/laugh at boss' silly jokes/talks , relax man try to be natural not a fake ass anchor
Tata should fire the person/s who designed the steering wheel and capacitive touch panel for aircon and hazzird light... this facelift is just to fool people...
Should i go with thar diesel right now would it make a sensible option or go for petrol Diesel(1.5l) rwd would give good mileage plus it is less expensive than petrol .
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Hi there, Kartikeya here!
Adding info to some things Shumi and I spoke about in the video and some extra fact nuggets you might like:
-The 7.2KW charger cost was Rs50,000 pre-facelift. Should remain the same.
- Vehicle to Vehicle charge transfer rates - Nexon to Nexon - 50km - in 1.2 hours, to any other vehicle it is 50km in 2 hours.
- If you were wondering about the digital real estate on offer - The Empowered gets - a 12.3” (centre) + 10 (driver), its 10” + 10” on the Fearless and 7” + 7” on the Creative
- Motor noise is 3dB lower, which helps with the quietness
- Tyres have reduced rolling resistance by 10%. The range has gone up by about 30kms. It adds up. 😊
- Weight distribution is 50:50. Quasi BMW!
- Eco mode is capped at 120kmph. City mode went past an indicated 140kph.
Thanks for joining in the conversation!
Thanks a lot for such a wonderful content, always loved your content and separating EV and ICE videos was good call. Good to hear you guys on Nexon EV
Thanks ❤
Kartikeya, how do you feel about the iMT gearbox of the sonet? Comparing it with the 1.0 manual of fronx.
I think in the past they have claimed a LRR tyres on the nexon, but mine has the same ecotread tyres which is shared with the ICE. I don't know why they claim that.
ev to ev charging is an welcome thing. This comes in handy at places where fast chargers are not available or further away from the location where you are at but you have a fellow ev owner who can then top you up just enough to reach to the nearest charger.
I love the fact that Kartikeya is like a little child, so excited when talking about a car and Shumi is like that no-nonsense uncle who just can't wrap his head around all these new gimmicks these manufacturers provide. As I grow older, I can empathize with Shumi more and more. 😂
Hahaha! Inner child.. inner child .. wakey.. wakey!
Shumi is super chill for Car reviews 😂 and Karthik is very comfy in these car reviews
True that
I feel that this is their strength. One will be a listener for bikes and the other will be a listener for cars. THAT gives us the feel of being involved in the conversation with this listener's POV. Superb combo❤
I love the way shumi sarcastically makes fun of cars and kartikeya laughs😂
His insights(sarcasms) are sooo on point! Sometimes it feels like - Hmm, why didn't anyone mention this before which was right infront of everyone's eyes! 😂 And then karthik also gives that - "Whaaaat?! I DUNNO" reaction! So funny and beautiful! 😂
😂 The two of them, we tell you....
I am convinced that the idea of separating the ICE and EV videos was the best. So much to learn.
Tata EV is on a great heading and their efforts show.
The 12 inch brilliant screen that wowed Kartik would also be appreciated a lot by the folks stuck in traffic jams 😊
Wonder if this was the inspiration behind it ?
Not to be used in a moving car!
❤️ That could be the case!
Watching the World Cup on Hotstar would be a nice use case when stuck in Pune/Bangalore traffic. On the condition that it would stop the video bit and continue the audio as soon as the car moves 😊
Please add more graphics/photos/videos. Lot more when u mention about the car
We shall look into it.
I have a bone to pick with the Nexon. The charging is just too slow.
Having it as someone's only car, you will end up doing some long distances some time over your ownership period of 5-8 years, and having to wait an hour at a desolate station to get back home can get really irritating very quickly.
They need to fix that in their future models. Once you have enough range, which this does, charging speed matters a lot. And Tata have stopped the ball again
Fast charging? Have you been using one?
Given the limitations of the charging infrastructure and batteries in general, speeding up the charging process won't be easy. Also, electric vehicles cannot serve as single vehicle garages if long distance road trip duties are expected. Also, no matter how quick the charging times become, one will have to wait for an hour, which also depends on whether charging slot is free or not.
This series and the conversation is just fantastic. I'm sure most of us wouldn't mind a little bit longer episodes as well. Splendidly put together and presented. Compliments to the whole team.
Thank you! We will pass this on to the team.
Just a thought:
This format of MotorInc First for older vehicles would be so cool. I feel a conversation between these 2 covers so much more about the vehicle than a review story does. And I can listen to them endlessly. ❤
Thanks for the recommendation! 🙏🏾❤️
Unsurprisingly fantastic. I am a car guy. I dream about motorcycles, but I know I can't risk my life on two wheels whenever I drive out. But I love Shumi's expression of exasperation at all the fussy car jargon, "personas", and minor features made out to be life-changing.
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Even by Tata Motors standards and their penchant for special editions, they have taken it way too far this time. I agree with Shumi. The bosses at Tata Motors slipped up, they could have curated this far better.
Too much meaningless choice makes it difficult to select the variant you want to buy. Nexon crossed that line and just kept on running, with someone sleeping at the wheel😅.
Using nexon max from past 6 months as a primary car. Doing intercity every day about 220 km. End of the day left with 35-40% with avarage speed of 75kmph. The game is all about speed vs range. Highest i travelled 280km with 13% left with 75kmph speed. On other hand covered 152km in just 32% with the avarage speed of 58kmph. When you are using continuously you got to know better about your vehicle.
Thanks for sharing! Will be super helpful for others here!
Thanks for this.
The XUV4OO felt like a unfinished project in comparison to the older Nexon EV and now with the Nexon.ev (dotted for extra pleasure?), they seem to have take the game 2-3 inches.. err.. notches above the existing XUV4OO and I think its a good thing. One, competition is always good. Customers are usually who benefit from it and secondly, the XUV4OO facelift is still in testing phase, so we can expect a lot of changes to either keep up or outclass the Nexon.ev.
Offtopic, but I am wondering what Mahindra was doing after acquiring Maini Reva. They had the EV tech much much before Tata probably even started with the Nexon project and they just chose to just sit on it. They could have had the first mover advantage. But anyways, I think Tata did a fantastic job with the Nexon and even more so with the Nexon.ev.
I feel (or rather assume) that the single pedal driving can still be achieved via a software update. While you talk about emergency braking, I think since the physical brakes can work in tandem with the regen braking, that shouldn't be a cause for concern. They could anyways limit the single pedal driving feature to say something below 40-50kmph. That way the issue of safety wouldn't be a concern at highway speeds.
Did you guys get to check the headlamp performance of the Nexon /.ev? LED lighting seems cool and all but in almost every practical case its just overrated (Though Shumi's Ferocio could probably light up a concert). Its more to do with the color temperature than tech itself. it causes eye irritating for oncoming traffic cuz they use high beam as low beam doesn't really illuminate the road well. May be manufacturters should move to 4300k LEDs.
Nexons has had the issue of being immovable if they break down (not sure if it is the case with other EVs too), have seen a few blocking apartment exits, roads etc. Has Tata done anything to address the issue?
Hey LWM! Didn’t get to check headlamps. Will keep that in mind for next time.
Regen - just software won’t cut it - because the higher regen charge can’t be channelised to the battery. Will check about the lock issue.
@@motorinc Thanks :)
I am nexon prime was a nice touch. 🤖↔🚚 As always an engaging conversation!
Glad you liked it!
Shumi's subtle expressions breaking 4th wall are SO DAMN GOOOD!! Reminds me of kevin spacey in House of card s!!
😂 Thanks!
What Shumi said is absolutely right here that the regen is designed for the engineer's goals rather than user's goals in any other vehicle.
To add to it, back when I was working with the team doing regen part (not in tata), we had asked this question but the need to provide regen in a vehicle to showcase as a feature is much higher than giving a usable feature. The 7% number can be practicle although the theory suggests more than 10%, but even the testing team really struggled to reach that number. If you so aggressively focus on getting the highest regen possible, you will end up degrading your driving experience for sure.
Noice! Glad to have an expert’s take. So how do you get around this? Because others have done it.
@@motorinc I would be happy to share once we do finish the right and usable solution, the process is still on.
@@pratiq7 Look forward to your update here. When you say 7% to 10%, does that include the top-buffer, please?
In city, a range of 120 kms is good enough to become a primary car!
Here in Bangalore, there are several charging points and there’s no reason for range anxiety.
Bangalore is one of the cities where the charging infrastructure is pretty good!
Large Cities like Bangalore, Mumbai Delhi etc will build charging infrastructure, for smaller tier2 and tier3 cities, range is not a problem as people don’t drive 120kms a day and can always charge at their homes.
It’s only for long distance travel, range becomes an issue.
@@motorinc we live South of Electronic City, and have 4 x 100+ JioBP-Pulse charger parks as well as multiple Statiq/Shell and others within a 10km radius. I think the range debate is a deflection on the real issue, which is simple - investments made for ICE engines/cars will have to be used up & purveyors of fossil fuels fuel our elections too.
Prebooked without a test drive and my empowered plus LR delivery is day after tomorrow. Happy for this positive review...❤😁😁😁
Have fun! Congratulations!
Bro when did you book and where is your place.
@@ashiqshajoos378 Kerala, booked two weeks before. They had 2 vehicles in transit during my booking, I arranged funds and confirmed one of them. Actual waiting period is 1.5 to 2 months .
If medium range Nexon is used 1,60,000 Km in eight years how much it will save compair to ICE Nexon with same Km running.(Add approximate maintenance cost of both.)
About 16lakh if you consider 10 rupee per km for petrol Nexon... ev with 1..2 rupee per km. I suggest you to invest in solar if possible to save that bit also ..
Thanks Ashiq!
As a country, Bharat needs a national EV technology mission. To develop all software, hardware design and battery technology and rare earth free motors, batteries, and design charging network.
Companies can then license this technology and build their own cars.
Interesting point!
@@motorinc I would argue that India should stop FAME2 subsidies and PLI schemes and use that money for developing core EV technologies. This will spur industrial development and value creation.
This is सत्संग for automotive enthusiasts! And the USP of this is absence of sudden and loud music in between. Just clear sound and discussion and that’s it. You guys are doing it great. 👍🏻
Thank you, Prathamesh.
We have driven nexon ev max on eco mode for 230km using 64% charge. 36% remaining and to our estimate we can run for more 100kms.
These discussions feel like a breath of fresh air for the hungry mind! Gamechanger!
One suggestion- Time availability is a real constraint for most of us. 3 formats-
Long(30-45min),
Medium(10-15min),
Short (your faq style series of shorts)
should serve a larger audience!
Thanks for the recommendation GS!
Thank you for the feedback. We will take that into consideration.
Happy to contribute😊
26:13 That's what she said! 🤣
Guys, I'm still waiting for the videos on the Jimny....
Are there any on the way?
I thought there would be a more detailed one involving a comparison with the Thar
Hi. We shall make a video as soon as we get the test car.
" I am NEXON PRIME" xDD
The problem with EVs in this price range is that the premium one pays against the ICE counterpart takes nearly 1-1.2 lakh km to set off against the fuel cost saving. This, on an average, would take 8 years (@12000 km/year driving). Coincidentally, 8 years is also the time when battery warranty expires, and if anything happens to it post warranty, thats 5-6 lakhs worth of replacement. Given that we have zero clue about resale value of EVs and accounting the battery factor, I feel EVs desperately need a price cut as value proposition isn't very clear. Is a price cut even possible? No. Feels like EVs are just a transitional placeholder till we find a viable gasoline substitute. Hydrogen fuel? Only time will tell.
Well said! Thank you VR!
Fearless+ Petrol DCA is 16.4L and F+ EV LR is 19.4L
EMI Diff is around 5K (19k vs 24k), if you spend more than 60k per year in fuel + servicing then it makes sense to go EV, if not then use petrol while prices drop
This difference halves when you compare XZ+ tiago LR and XZA+ tiago AMT to 1.5L so technically, so does breakeven.
All these prices are without subsidy.
@@shresthsonkar9207 At what point does EV make sense completely depends on in how much time one wants to retrieve his extra initial investment (on EV over ICE). In Nexon's case and for an average user, it is 8 years (so it doesn't make sense). If someone wants it in 2 years, his driving should increase by 4 times which translates to roughly 50,000 km per year, which is extraordinarily high even for commercial purposes. For Tiago EV, an average user will get ROI in 50-60k km, which is decent enough. Now what companies are doing is, in order to reduce the ICE-EV delta, instead of reducing EV prices, they're increasing ICE prices especially at the top end!
@@vardanrathi7777 60K difference per year for Nexon EV comes to 5y for 3L premium
The one for Tiago will be barely 2.5y
The 60k is worth only 600L of fuel per year ie 9K km of driving in a year@15kmpl, a reasonable mileage for Nexon petrol. For everyone above 9k, it’ll be cheaper to go EV provided they have the budget.
Regarding price hikes of ICE, it’s natural that newer pollution norms, safety norms and engine tech will need price hikes.
I’m not advocating for the companies but even they have to run a business and pay people working for them.
At the same time, these norms are also important to keep evolving in terms of safety and emissions as well.
Damn that's some good summarization.
Thank you!
Here is the deal, India is yet to reach the charging infrastructure penetration for 200km range even though the Metro city folks see charging stations regularly.
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We need a real world 300km range for this thing to take off. I am talking about an average user like me who doesn't mind not having AC intermittently over my journey.
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Pune Mumbai is okay but Pune Solapur or Pune Kolhapur or Pune Nasik is not there yet. Plus apart from Gujarat, other states don't have that kind of infrastructure. I have driven from Pune to Indor and it doesn't inspire confidence in me that EV would be feasible for such travel. There are such large patches all over india
Hullo! Thanks for zooming into that. Guessing you are based in Pune?
Sorry guys I'll watch this at night 😂❤
अभी lecture चल रहा 😅
Koi bata nahi! Dekh kar batana ki aapko kaisa laga.
Electric version gets rear disc brakes also, front connected drl
Yessah! Rear discs were there on Max too. The LED indicator doesn’t stay on. It goes off after the charging process gets going.
Here is a wild guess.... Every Indian car and motorbike company key people have been asked by their bosses to subscribe to motorinc and never miss any of shumi's and Karti's videos.
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like your format of doing cars and bikes video.
Ijust want a review of NEW APACHE RTR 310
Thank you! We are waiting for TVS to send us test bikes.
@@motorinc I thought these guys had ridden it in singapore
Woke up to this. Great start to the day💚
Me too☺️
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I am always waiting for schumi jokes 😅 more than the car discussion
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I can listen these talks only if im buying this car...
Sorry!
No worries! See you later! 😁
Really appreciate you talking about single-pedal driving. 😊
I have one question, when it comes to aggressive regen, how important it is to engage the break light for safety concern ❓
The brake light is engaged when regen braking occurs. 😀
Thank you for the clarity. Please would you suggest nexon ev for a daily commute of around 80-100kms. Which is financially more viable ice or ev. If ice which one petrol or diesel.
Both videos are very informative and specific, got me more clarity on the EV. Any chance to get a Hybrid for TATA ? Harrier with 2 Ltr ICE and a good battery pack which will be fun with added independent suspension which they miss still or may be i am just trying to fit all good things in one car @20- 25 lakhs :)
Glad you enjoyed the video. A hybird Tata would also make a lot of sense and we hope they are on to something. As the Grand Vitara and the Toyota Hyrider have demonstrated, hybrids are a big success.
@@motorinc Recall seeing a video clip of a journalist asking Tata Motors about hybrids, and they suggested that car makers who don't have competitive EVs may need hybrids for compliance with CAFE rules, and said that Tata Motors don't need hybrids and their focus is pure BEVs. It is possible that it is truer of their passenger vehicles than LCVs.
Tata wont bring hybrids as of now.
We are not ready for full EV's yet till we have the grid setup everywhere :) Hybrids are the way to go atleast for me is what i think , hope we get better hybrids @@dgupta42
Debosed😂
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A thought about the aerodynamic wheels on EVs and ICEs.
On ICEs, most of the braking is done by… well… the brakes. With all the heavy lifting they do, I think that these brakes need better ventilation than their EV counterparts whose brakes, while dealing with more mass/momentum, are aided by the regenerative braking by a large degree. Hence, with EVs, aerodynamic alloys suddenly become a viable way of making the car more slippery and thus more efficient while this is not possible with their ICE counterparts.
Great video per usual! But partially disagree with one point here. That is with respect to single pedal driving.
Having had a Nexon EV Max , for a year now, i agree that single pedal driving is not intuitive. Its a slightly longer learning curve.
I do 60 plus kms everyday of ORR driving, west BLR to east BLR, and after about 2k kms on the ODO, the regen is good enough that you adapt to single pedal driving automatically. There have been days where ive done the 30km to office without touching the brakes apart from the need to engage autohold.
The previous gen Nexon Max blew my mind to the extent of sophistication that was on offer from Tata. And the fact that my previous car was a Indica Vista for a better part of a decade, it felt very natural when i shifted over to the EV max.
And this iteration, is gonna be even better! Great car for what you get for the price IMO.
Only thing i would have liked would be the option of turning off creep mode, then absolute single pedal would be possible with a bit of practice.
On the range front, 280 to 300 km is easily possible with sedate driving. In my ownership experience, the worst that i got was 250km to 8% soc and the best ive had was 322km to 2% soc(range anxiety was real that day).
Keeping the soc between 85% and 20% should give 240 to 260km on a regular basis once you get used to the car.
Thanks SV! Appreciate you sharing your learning’s! Will be super helpful to many!
Hi Kartikeya/Shumi,
Your channel and specifically these 101 conversations are just another level. Your content, knowledge , humor, delivery & everything is just amazing..Kudos!!
I drove the Empowered + and I am very positively surprised. It's a great package I feel. Just a query - Why everyone discusses just the math when it comes to comparison between EV vs Petrol/Diesel?? I drove Seltos ( IVT and DCT), Creta, City but none of them comes even iota close to the kind of drive quality Nexon.ev provided. Especially the Sports mode was just so much fun, the acceleration and then smoothness. None of this I saw in other mentioned cars, but still in all reviews it concludes with number of km you need to run to make this economically viable. Is there something a miss here?
11) I don't agree on bigger battery pack size for better ReGen; but they do need bigger buffers in the BMS.
12) I don't want to comment on the OE tyres because that brand is our family's top-favourite for ICE cars going back; but there is a huge difference in performance from another brand.
13) What is a "good range"? 20% and upwards. My spouse gets 15% or so better kms per percentage point than I do. I'm heavier and I also have a heavier foot.
14) The Nexon Max steering . . . story of the cups. Maybe TaMo engineers will update you!
15) Sunroof - increased overall weight of the car. Yes.
16) Top variant without sunroof, owner's delight, dealer's hmmmm
17) Not just heavy battery pack on rough roads, but no engine speed messing with the complete dynamics, please also see "critical speeds" and vibrations therein.
18) "Continuous Cell Balancing", thanks, that's news!!
19) 3.3 charger vs 7.2 charger; makes a big difference for the safe load at home, people need to figure out the increase in fixed costs.
20) Display system, frankly, the older Nexon EV Prime has better tactile controls especially for EV. And as for watching TV in the car, my fast charger location in BLR has a bar attached which serves draught beer at 99/- a pint, welcome to Electronic City.
21) Instead of seat-charging, pragmatic customers like me would like a few pragmatic changes - physical locks for the USB ports known & hidden; built in dashcam wiring front & rear; re-build both the apps.
(to be continued)
Car brands should feel completely at ease with their naming choices. Shumi and Kartikay are just waiting eagerly to shower them with endless praise and admiration for their impeccable taste in naming the variants.
All good things must be appreciated.
Shumi talking about cars, even if it’s just a briefing is something we don’t see everyday. Talking about the variant list from TATA it irritates even a person who prefers cars, so shumi would be twice as irritated in this manner😂
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Karthik maybe forgot about a cool feature. Understandable. But the DRL in the front of Nexon EV indicates the level of charging. Which is pretty neat for this segment.
Neat, but a gimmick. As the light doesn’t stay on. It comes on for a bit at the start of charging. Unlikely you will be able to make use of it after walking away since the car will be facing toward the charger in most cases.
@@motorinc Oh I didn't read that part, you're right then it's just a gimmick.
Wow that was short ...shorter
P.S LOVED IT😊
Thanks!!
Brother, can you please review MG Hector 2023 CVT Petrol version...top model ...I'll be grateful.
Tata and Mahindra need to split up their car units to free up EV designs from ICE heritage.
All EVs must have ADAS level-2 or above. ADAS will allow cars to be built safer and this simplifies body design.
EV must be built around car OS - which like Tesla forms a central brains of the car - instead of a mix of several systems.
In short, EV needs a ground up re-engineering, and this cannot be achieved by tying it up with ICE cars.
Ola is working on that, for their EV cars, as they have done in their EV scooters. Hoping Tata & Mahindra also take on this.
Agreed on the ADAS tech. But it needs to work well, in the same way as it does in cars like the Innova Hycross
@@motorinc ADAS is a stable technology and widespread adoption will make it even more better.
Ground up EV design and manufacturing is the best way forward. Tying up to ICE cars makes EV clunky and subpar
Any idea, what is the resale value of Nexon EV? Don't want to be in a situation where I buy a 19 lakh EV and after 6 years the 2nd owner says that the battery is exhausted or useless now and 2nd owner has to spend say 7 lakhs to buy a new battery pack. As a result, a 19 lakh EV instead of having a resale value of 10 lakh after 6 years has a resale value of 2-3 lakh by weight?
Next lineup, Tata is working on Nexon words with powerful meanings S variety HT+ % minus😂
Ev car’s are not suitable for primary car..
Because lack of unplanned journey.
In medical emergency time we can not plan journey.. in emergency time we cannot give half an hour time to ev cars to charge.. in emergency time you will be not having enough time to take care of your loved one, in that circumstance who can you go out to charge you ev car..
I agree to what Kartikeya said and wanted to add something about Shumi's remark of one pedal driving on the Tesla - based on a 13 month long ownership and 20k kms driven on a Tesla Model 3 Long Range in the US.
One pedal driving is predictable for the most part when it comes to braking but it is not as accurate as using a mechanical brake which becomes like a 2nd nature to you. One pedal driving can alter its behaviour based on the battery / motor temp, outside temp and also the state of charge. I have had experiences specially during the cold winters of Eastern United states that the regen brake felt way too weak and even though tesla compensates it by using friction brakes automatically to give you the same feel as that of regen but it still feels off at times.
All in all one pedal driving is still a must have in EVs because it adds to the ease of use.
I love your channel!!! Indeed it is underated rn my gut feeling says this channel is gonna be a big name in future ❤ keep going we love your mature and on point conversation
Thank you! We've only just begun and with the continued support from people like you, we hope to to grow big.
i come here to watch u guys talk.
Thank you!
Thank you guys Phele mujhe bohot confusing lg rha tha varient ? persona of the Nexon
aap logo ka mention kar karke mujhe yaad ho gya
Thanks
You are welcome!
I was actually considering buying a CURVV EV & didn't get much good videos out there. But this conversation solved all the questions I had although its about the NEXON EV.
Hi @vishnuashokkumar1782! Thanks for watching this one but we actually have a similar one for the Curvv EV too, check it out here: ruclips.net/video/vzfeTQmW1gw/видео.htmlsi=Sm2DmGm9qBgwfW1R
Hi. Please make a video on diesel cars. Is it advisable to buy diesel in 2023 especially for big Suvs like harrier and xuv700. I think thats a needed discussion.
Hey Kannan, the caveat is - you need to have highway used factored into your use. The regeneration process of the catalytic converter needs fast highway running. Without which it won’t drive smoothly. Many kilometers need to be clocked for it to be worth it too. So, do you really need diesel? We would recommend strong hybrids.
Kind of an unrelated question but what are your thoughts about Verna getting 5 Stars GNCAP rating?
We think that's great but one should not take that for granted and drive irresponsibly. That's true for every car, star rated or not.
@@motorinc what do u think about 5star ratings at 64km/hr with UNSTABLE BODYSHELL? Good enuf to pass the 5star exam but a killer in real world? Verna Safe or unsafe at 70km/hr or above?
(Yes, assuming driving responsibly but accidents happen)
You forgot the charging indicator on the front led strip.
It’s forgettable. More of a gimmick.
@@motorinc lol. I wonder how all these new tech will age on tata cars. Don't trust the service guys will handle them with care. I can already foresee the steering panel coming back from the service centre with a lot of scratches. Please do ask the tata management at the new harrier/safari launch if they can upgrade those glossy black panels to scratch resistant material.
It's M-Powered, guys. They're secretly using the German juices.
Can you connect your laptop on the 12inch screen to take your Teams Calls ?
As a person who have done multiple 1300+ km trips in a nexon EV prime my opinion is watching OTT is not the best way to kill time in an EV while charging. It's fuelling up yourself.
Where do we use DC fast charging?
Inter-district long highway trips.
When do we generally stop for food?
Around every 4hours.
We take food stops even in an ICE car.
By syncing the car's charging and our foodstops & washroom breaks (It's possible with planning) we can reduce the "extra time due to charging" for the trip.
needless to say, risk appetite is the deciding factor for EV long trips
Awesome! Thanks for sharing that! Would love to know more about your trips. Will be super helpful!
Binging your channel
Glad to hear that! Any feedback?
Bicycle journalist angle is what i miss along the podcast... 😂😂 sorry, yet i missed CV, LCV, journalism point also.. (Just funn) 😂 LOL...
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Harrier Safari Petrol is very important nowadays.
Ofcourse you don't have the smart trim for the EV.. You are buying an EV, so you can't be smart...
Sarcasm Pro Max!
Hi there!
I bought a ford ikon about a year ago 2009 model that with a engine of a fiesta (TDCI) the engine was in good condition but that was it!!! Everything thing else was NOT SO GOOD . And i drove this car 50k kilometre in this short period and i guess it was too much for the car to handle because now I’ve been facing plroblems like my lower arm was in bad condition but I didn’t realised untill my tyres were totally “ganje😂” then my ac compressor needed to be replaced then some other parts too . But still i like the way it drives , its soo natural and raw so should i consider applying for the re-registration because it just runs well or just let it sit in my garage because i bought it for 60 k so already paisa vasool liya maine gaadi ka
Hahaha! Amazing! Thanks for sharing!
I don't have a question but a caution
1. Nexon ev charging gun always locks in pretty bad when charging is paused or stopped
2. Nexon real range is just 220 kms for Long range varients
3. Roi ,thats something you guys are not discussing
4. Whats happens post 7 years ,is tata have a infra to swap batteries
5. Post sales , service issues why you guys are not toching this point
6.what about people leaving in rental flats like cites in mumbai , banglore etc where landlord refuses to get a charger installation
7. What about RSA once battery dies of ,tata has those niggels
8. More over is it really green energy when our power plants are still using coal and other fossils
Please paint a clear picture this is not a trend ,ev is a dead stick for now and an anxiety RANGE anxiety
Do you want to suffer with it
Hi Shrikanth, the range will vary depending on driving style and conditions. We agree with and understand your point of view - the ROI will make sense for a few. You have to decide it’s worth it or not.
Shumi, I hope the college was good for you (if not the school) (although your college is named ‘school’ of…)
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Where do you guys get your clothes from?? Both look fabulous!
Tata should seriously work on their naming convention. Right now, it's juvenile & plain stupid. Not to mention the massive confusion it creates for a buyer. Trust me, this confusion is enough to drive a customer straight out of a Tata showroom. Please try and work on simplifying this terrible thing that you guys have started. And you should have really fixed the interior issues / ergonomic bugs too.
P.S. - I'm a prospective buyer and I will be stepping into one of your showrooms pretty soon.
Please let us know how it goes?
I hate Shumi's sarcasims, he interruptus Kartikeya and iterjects his flow. Plz stop doing that. I have watched Kartikeya solo covering and it use to be so much more enjoyable. With Shumi it became artificial and he shows he knows better but using Kartikeya like a dummy
They’re having a chat - one is more outspoken than the other. Thanks for sharing what you think. But, it’s all good.
Hey shumi sir.
Can we have a discussion about suggestions of first fared bikes like rr310s gixxers 250 etc for guys who got bullets and jawas and whatnot for the looks but want to get onto riding riding..
I wouldn't say it would be an upgrade to the performance but a gateway to learning riding and not just commuting
Sure, we can think about it.
I agree that a half-baked ADAS system is next to useless in India, but why isn't there any attempt to ape some useful parking features like the auto parallel park assist or the move car forward or backward from your key a la Hyundai, to get in and out of tight parking spaces? Those are definitely helpful and idiot proof. EVs should be futuristic and thus are the perfect carriers for features like these.
Great ideas!
Everyone talks about range, features, price and running cost.
Can you have one discussion about long term cost like how much range degrades every year, cost of replacing the battery.
I believe after 7 to 8 years range will be very less and we may need to replace it.
After replacing will it be cheaper than petrol?
Thanks Dhruv for the recommendation!
Whenever Shumi says "I Understand" in reply to Karthik.. it just reminds me of some interviewer who plans next question based on your answer just to trap you. 🤯🤯
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Superb reviews.. I got lot to learn from you guys... Keep making videos like this... Kartikeya can you please tell your shoes name and model?
Thanks Prashant! Appreciate that! Stay tuned!
Does the MID RANGE is sufficient if daily commute is 40k and once a 6 month 200 km one way trip long drive?
Some points which were not discussed in any of the online platforms?
Does the battery life goes down leading to more recharging cycles after 5 years.
Does the cars range goes down gradually every year and at what percentage?..if not does not stay same for 8 years ?
Just like smart phones which goes dead suddenly in an average of 3 years. Does the same thing might happen with ev cars?
Let say after 7 years the battery condition is bad or worst ,Do companies have provision to replace it with new battery and what would be the cost of it
Even if do 40 km daily and that compare to a petrol car, i will be benefited approx after 5 years with added range anxiety...
You can get a MR - the range is sufficient for what 40km/200km.
- Batteries have reserve capacity - the cells of which are used to balance battery health and longevity. So don’t worry about range slumping. It can happen - but would be rare.
-You have a 8 year warranty so if anything goes wrong before that you will get a replacement
- yes, batteries can be replaced.
You know what would be great? Altroz EV. This would be a really hit in the middle class community for daily travelling.
Absolutely! And Punch EV!
Is price discussion coming up in next vid? The way prices are rising , It still feels kind of hard to justify to myself purchasing top model of sub 4 meter cars instead of mid level car of next segment.
True that!
Hope with the ev cars, car makers keep it simple variant differences limited to range n charging speed and not those usual bells n whistles! N Nexon ev for sure looks like ev n premium now in flesh, good job by tata.
Simpler would be better!
I'm waiting for your punch review. I have pre-booked my car but waiting for your review to confirm...
Punch EV's coming to the channel soon Arun!
I scratched my laptop screen 2-3 times, thinking, that black dot on Shumi sirs forehead is something on my screen. 😄 He sits so still.
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But it is based on Tata Indica vista right?
You guys missed the comparison of Nexon.ev with Vista😂
Staaap now! 😁
Why didn't you recommend Nexon diesel?
Don't get me wrong, but kartikeya tries too hard to please his master (shumi) and it can be seen in these videos as well, just like subordinates smile/laugh at boss' silly jokes/talks , relax man try to be natural not a fake ass anchor
Maybe that’s who he is?
Tata should fire the person/s who designed the steering wheel and capacitive touch panel for aircon and hazzird light... this facelift is just to fool people...
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To increase subscribers, please create a Hindi channel/videos
There's a reason you didn't get reply....they're not here just for the number game.
when are we going to get ip69 rated electronics in indian ev's
Has the top speed for medium range variant increased from 120 to 140? Nexon EV prime had a top speed of 120.
Hi Govind, the top speed is still 120kmph.
@17:10 Just to sure which version are we talking about when saying we can get 260km? LR or MR?
LR.. sorry about the confusion - we only drive the LR.
Trust me on this fam, people will vote for longer videos but thats only handful of us. The masses want quick videos with more info less watch minutes
Good to know what you want!
The days of " bhai 20% battery de na, aglibar mujse le lena " is not that far off😂
7:55 to 9:09 that was amazing. If you know what’s I mean. 😜
So minimal. So professional. Absolute gold. Love how you guys discuss and present.
Thank you for the kind words @AakashSingh999!
Should i go with thar diesel right now would it make a sensible option or go for petrol
Diesel(1.5l) rwd would give good mileage plus it is less expensive than petrol .
The RWD with the 1.5 is good enough.
Without showing the Nexon...both make you visualize the car through their conversations.
Awesome! That’s superb to hear!
Okay, after Shumi said ' I am Nexon Prime'. Optimus Prime actually left the chat🥲
Not coming back either!
You guys should make a chart of these nexon cars. These charts should be explained in similar videos. 🤣
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