I don't see what people are complaining about?? The case design and finish looks spectacular. One of the best, somewhat contemporary, takes on the dress watch. The hidden octagon carries enough traces of the RO design language without being over bearing. The mix of polished and brushed details are well thought out and executed to prefection. The movements look spectacular. And that curved/domed crystal sounds like it would be a treat to actually see in real life. Who cares if the majority of keyboard warriors on social media don't like it. As if AP is standing their eagerly waiting for your approval 😆
Me neither! That’s what I said last year when I presented and defended the AP 11.59 collection... it needs time that we see the true beauty and discover that this is good design. I am very happy to read this, thanks for sharing!
Thank you! I have grown sick and tired of ppl looking at pictures on social media and slamming a watch they have never seen for real, let alone own. They wear a Tag Heuer or Seamaster at best and think they even remotely understand what has gone into the Code 11.59. A code is designed not to be understood by everyone and I for one think this is a good thing. Every time I look at my 11.59 I discover details that generally are only feasible for watchmakers that produce 3 watches a year by hand. The shape of the hands alone is a masterpiece of design and complexity. Are there better watches? Yes. Is it a true and worthy successor to the Royal Oak. Absolutely. Thank you again for cutting the ignorant nay sayers back to size.
I think the presenter missed the point of the "bashing" No one denied the technical side, but the design of the dial. It looks like a Michael Kors dial. So its the design language that got the bashing, we all know the technical side is always top-notch with AP
You can have your opinion and if you like them that’s great and you can’t be wrong it’s just an opinion. At the same time, in my and in most other people’s opinion the dials look boring and nothing new. The 1979 argument is invalid as the Royal Oak design and concept was something that was never seen before and the whole watch looked completely unique. The dials on these watches look like something that has been done before in much cheaper watches. The cases are cool but that’s not enough to save them from their boring dials. I’m sure AP will fix the dials if they don’t sell well, I hope for their CEO’s sake they do sell well as you can see the effort and pure passion he has put into these products. I genuinely hope I and most other people are wrong, but I fear I’m not.
Dawn Keebolz I think he was just panicking because he wasn’t expecting the hugely negative response. This new project is also like his baby so he got very defensive, as CEO you should be prepared for anything though. Hopefully he and AP learns from this and they sort out the dials for next year. I think the cases and movements have huge potential.
Very well said. I appreciated the passion and energy the CEO displayed during his into video. But the design just looks too overused. I am not APs market, i am sure they did some form of market research so maybe I am wrong.
@Dawn Keebolz I saw the interview but didn't think he was defensive. I thought he was excited to share the thought and detail that went into their design. The dial is round. That's about the only thing in the watch that has been done before. Everything else showcases new designs, structural improvements and new calibres. Also they not only made models to showcase. They are ready to sell and move. Show today, sell tomorrow. A real launch of a full line of watches. All these things put together make this CODE 11.59 launch a legit accomplishment.
Bob Graham12345 the royal Oak wasn’t received very well at launch. The real problem is people criticizing people, cars, architecture, watches and who knows what else just by a few press photos. How can anyone make an educated critique off the cuff of something without seeing and experiencing it firsthand? Your and others options are shortsighted at best. If everyone wants to see first and then trash it then so be it.
I appreciate and commend the common sense and wisdom you exhibit in this video. Your presentation certainly clears the air and sheds new light on these new watches. I look forward to seeing several of these pieces in the flesh.
Umm... its the hollow lugs not attaching to the case only attaching to the bezel is not appealing. Am sure the movements and build quality are exceptional, but the case and lugs are not attractive, but am sure some people will like them.
Thank you Alexander for a very nice and unbiased review. I think most of the people don't have a problem with the craftsmanship (and evidently it's top notch), it's the dial design. The indices and hands for me look cheap and underwhelming. I do like how the case is finished, however.
Honest, professional criticism: • The huge sizing is not good. That alone makes them look like cheap watches, especially from a distance. Look at the video at 6:55- those simply don’t look like $20k+ watches. Quite the opposite. Which leads to the next criticism- • The dial proportions. The hands, indices, name, etc look tiny in that giant case. Like little slivers. Everything is out of balance. • The 4 o’clock date window is a horrible implementation on any watch that’s not a chronograph. They’re abrupt and they throw off the symmetry. They’re simply not attractive or cohesive. • The worst of the collection in my opinion is the white 3 hand watch. If I’m being truly honest... it does look like a cheap Chinese watch. The case design, lugs & glass deserve praise. That’s good design, and quite radical(in a good way). I don’t think most people are contesting that. It’s the disconnect between such forward thinking in that design language vs the remedial, conservative, even pedestrian design of the dials. It’s as if the case designers and the dial designers were kept separate and didn’t communicate. Someone else stepped in when it came to those dials and restricted creativity. I’d venture to guess management, or at least that’s what it looks like. The case is bursting with creativity while the dials are completely void of it. And perhaps that’s how I’d sum up this line. To AP: It’s likely these watches won’t be a huge success. That’s okay. This is just a starting point. You now have amazing new movements to build upon and exceptional cases to house them in. Learn from the mistakes and criticisms, unleash your creativity and show the world what you’re capable of! Cheers!
New subscriber here. I’m just seeing this now as I am new to watches. I am currently in Geneva and looked at the current offerings of AP, Patek, VC dress watches. I have to say that the Code 1159 is spectacular in comparison to similar dress watches of other brands. And the dial…well, you simply have wear it one full day in the sunlight. The innovative design/shape of the sapphire makes for an ever changing dial depending on the angle of the sun/light. You truly have to test drive it to appreciate why the dial seems “simple”. Only 250 were made for each iteration (2019). I’m glad that this is the first watch of my collection. Haters will soon become admirers. You are absolutely correct.
Welcome to WatchAdvisor! Love your comment and thoughts! As you describe it … you have to see the 1159 in real! Always let me know if you have any questions…
He always makes me feel that the price he pays for the great access he gets is to say that he likes everything. Let’s hear if there’s any love for this watch from a commentator who is more objective.
Angus McIntosh Angus, simply because I really LIKE the new AP and you probably not does not mean that I wasn’t objective when recording this video... PS: I never said and will say „I like everything“ ...
WatchAdvisor Hi Alexander and thanks for your reply. Fair enough that you genuinely like the 11.59 - I know you are not alone. I do enjoy your channel and would enjoy it even more if I felt you were freer to be more critical on occasion. Otherwise it feels like you’re just an advertising window for the brands and a mouthpiece for their management.
Angus, I guarantee you that I am not an "advertising window for the brands and a mouthpiece for their management". In case of the 11.59 I first discovered the new watches live and then we taped the video. What I said was my opinion... Only because in January a majority (that even had not seen the watches in real!!) did not like the 11.59, but I did, does not mean that I am an "advertising window for the brands and a mouthpiece for their management". I don't care what others think, I have my own opinion and if I like something I like it.
Alex, when the code1159 was launched I have to admit I was not impressed with it and made my judgement before even holding one in my hands. I kept my opinion to myself though. Two years later today, my view on this watch has completely changed. I got the chance to see it in person at the boutique, the first time I hold it I still had doubts. But the watch grew on me and now I'm loving it. You warned us two years ago, and u are absolutely right! Love your content 🙂
Thank you VERY much! This design needs time and at least one or two touch and feel approaches to be understood. The 11.59 will make its way and will get some small fine tuning. I give a watch, when I see it the very first time, seven to ten seconds... If I don't like it then, at least for me, it is game over. I saw the 11.59 in real and I liked it in the just mentioned time window 😉 I would have not defended the 11.59 that much otherwise. No one tells me what to do and I couldn't care less what others think or fanboys try to explain me. As the so discussed A. Lange & Söhne Odysseus, that I also like very much, this Audemars Piguet 11.59 collection will make its way...
Yu-Gi-Oh Duelist , such as the AP Royal Oak. The RO was criticized for both the design and price. It took over a year before they sold the initial production of 1000 watches before the sales took off.
This is true, there are a few great watches that had a lot of "haters" upon release. But the vast majority of the time, when a watch is poorly received upon its release, it's going to be a flop in the market. I somehow suspect the "Code 11.59" (what a terrible name) will end up being a flop, particularly considering its price point and derivative dial design. The dial design looks an awful lot like last year's JLC Polaris, which is another watch that is performing very badly in the market.
Based on the interviews with AP CEO Bennahmias so far, it seems that it was his decision not to put a bezel on this watch. I think that made all the difference in the reaction to this piece. Sides are OK. The octagonal shape case sandwiched in the middle is GREAT. But what happened to the face? The dial seems rushed and uninspired, the stick hands from historical AP models look good, but without a compelling dial it looks mediocre. Finally, when you put a bland dial on a watch with no bezel, what character do you provide on the face of the watch? This is where the backlash is coming from. You don't need to see it live to see when a dial is uninspired. Although the reactions were extreme, I see why a lot of passionate AP fans felt offended by this code, particularly the basic model after AP saying it took them 8 years to develop this line.
These first watches are only the start of the 11.95 collection... Old AP passionate may be offended, new potential buyers too... Many others now get interested in the brand ... End of the day this collection will be a success and the first collection sought after since only 2700 were made ... Only time will tell ...
I think the dial is suffering from just too much empty space on the basic three hand models. The ones with complications or with non-solid color dial(like that minute repeater) looks alright. It feels strange to say, but I think the three hand basic models could you more writing on the bottom half to maybe balance out the top and to reduce the empty space.
Great review as always Alexander, It is a gorgeous looking watch with a very unique case design that in my opinion is stunning especially in real life hands on. François and the team at AP should be very proud
Actually the more I look at them the more fascinating details I notice. I honestly don't give dress watches a lot of thought. I barely ever wear suits. And I'm very picky about how my watch matches what I'm wearing from the overall design down to the color of the dial or the strap in many cases. And even though I can appreciate the work and talent the goes into making the dressy higher end timepieces by all the greats, I still find the dress watch design in most cases to be boring and almost generic as it will 95% of the time conform to the classic old school aesthetics and there's nothing wrong with that. But when I think about a dress watch that I would really want to own I would instantly gravitate to Lange with their big date windows and contemporary dials. And I've been recently introduced to H. Moser and their lovely dials. So for me this AP makes perfect sense and is now one of 3 dress watches that I would buy and quite possibly the first one on that list. And just to put things into perspective, a year later from AP's release and after spending 5 minutes on chrono24, there's less than a handful of Time-Date and less than a handful of Chronograph 11.59s. Meanwhile, and only from 2019-2020, there's +100 New Calatravas and +1000 New Daytonas on offer. Let that sink in.
Love your comment! That's what I said in the video and I wrote countless times in my comments: You need to discover the 11.59 and understand its design and positioning before you simply start bashing this Audemars Piguet. Experienced and serious retailers immediately fell in love with the 11.59 since they know what mature buyers are looking for. So thank you very much for sharing your thought with us! And I don't want to comment on you additional remark... I just want to say: I couldn't agree more! Let me know if you need any more information about the 11.59 and/or if you have a question...
WatchAdvisor Thank you Alexander. For the video and for keeping an objective point of view. I think this is one those cases where AP is a name many people “love to hate” for whatever reason. It is indeed a fabulous design from AP and quite the impressive line up. I just hope that when I’m ready to get one that they are still available.
jimmyjay122 The 11.59 is meant to stay and become another pillar of AP. So you have time and who knows what watches will until then be part of the collection... A functional GMT/UTC would be marvelous ...
I saw the watch in real life and was at the fair. All of my friends who also attended the fair and saw the watch also did not like it all. And it looks and feels cheap apart of the aventurine and super sonnerie
Are you talking about the minute repeater with the different blue dial and the aventurine dial.? They are the same watches just different paint and dial theme. So you kinda like the watch just not every material.
@@damianhenniger I have to agree with you those 2 watches with different dials I'm sold. But both come over 70k. I feel like we have been robbed with the dial a bit. But the case itself is nice along with the glass. I kinda like the white dial but different layout maybe.
@@kevintoth5365 i mean it's too expensive A, the basic models should have been cheaper. B ap wanted to make a fully autonomous model line but still incorporated the octagonal ring to play it a bit safe.
I love this case design. The choice of brushed with polished edges is beautiful. The decorated movement is beautiful. Plus the wrist shot was of a thin man and it showed that the watch wore smaller on the wrist than you would think. That crystal is very unique. The enamel dials are very deep and glossy. I really like it. I guess people where expecting a textured dial and a unique bracelet to top the Royal Oak. I've seen some hideous $700k watches and this AP line shouldnt be bashed. I look forward to seeing more lines from them.
Mad Hatter Great 👍 comment Mad! Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us and as you can imagine I couldn’t agree more. I hope you will very son have an opportunity to have a touch and feel with the new 11.95. I am also curious to read your feedback then...
I think I’m one of the few that loved this from the start and time has just deepened that. If I had the money that stunning perpetual would be mine. Oh, and I think I’m the only person to like the date at 4. To my eyes it disappears when I don’t want to focus on it but when I do I can see it easily.
The 11.59 perpetual calendar in fact is a stunner! Just to let you know, I don’t have a problem with the date at”4 o’clock” either... 😉 The Blancpain Fifty Fathoms Bathyscaphe has it there too and I like the diver very much...
I do agree with you.. the second I put it on my wrist I found it gorgeous, and with time the love just kept increasing. There are numerous details that cannot be captured at first sight.. So forget about a picture or even a video.
I do - I own a two-tone rose and white gold Chronograph model. I heard that some people didn’t like the Code when it was first revealed at SIHH 2019, but I loved it at first sight.. First, I was attracted by the double case, a round one and an octagon-shaped for the middle part (an obvious hommage to the RO). I normally don’t get dual tones, but the pairing was gorgeous in this particular instance.. plus, the rose gold is very discreet, and highlights the dual case construction. Finishes are incredible - Polished and brushed AP-style. Nothing surprising, but I had to mention it since haters described the watch as « cheap looking ».. I also appreciate the fact that AP used rose gold for the hands and many other parts on top of that grey lacquered dial. Again, very discreet and it makes it even more elegant.. It’s also a very versatile watch - Depending on what I wear I can switch the straps to something more casual or dressy, and it does the job very well.. But I have to admit that in most cases I go for the black alligator leather one! Obviously this is just my opinion. There’s a ton of options on the market, but I fell for this particular AP Code 11:59.. and I now wear it more than my Daytona or my submariner..
Great video and opinions. Yes I agree reaction was aggressive. If AP uses a similar color combination for their time as their minute repeater .. and launched a thinner case at least for the time only I guarantee you things would have been different. A simple time only white on gold with that big case and dial just didn’t work and put the whole collection down. The biggest issue was with the time and chrono color combinations, thickness, and execution. The qp and minutebrepeater were much better received. My biggest disappointment is indeed the thickness of the watches.
Even for people who defend the watch, if it doesn't shout out as amazing it's a fail anyway. People try to find these good points about that watch and that itself is a fail for AP. It should sing the moment you see it.
Bravo! Well done! When did you buy yours? Did you first discover the watch online or real? Do you agree with what I said in the video that one needs to see the watch in real first?
WatchAdvisor brought it a week ago. I did see both in real and online (through your channel) a year ago. But the 2 tone this year is something else. It was love at first sight. I totally agree, pictures don’t do justice. One needs to see it in person for its beauty and all that hard work gone in.
I think the cases are interesting and the nee movement lineup is great to see. The movements look beautiful. However, I am still not inspired by the design of the dial. They may be excellently constructed, but I dont think they live up to the personality or the case. Everyone wanted a "wow" from AP. When you only have one watch in your collection and people love it (RO) you better make sure you next big release 50 years later is something special.
Alexander I think you’ll find that most people are viewing the images on a new or nearly new smartphone with some of the best, sharpest displays this side of the IMAX. It is the dial they will be looking at constantly throughout the day, so they are correct in trashing dials which are effectively trash. They are not caressing the lugs all day or comparing case edges. Everyone’s opinion should be respected, yours and ours. Negative opinions should not trashed by you, by you suggesting that they are reacting out of some madness or blind hatred. People are looking at the professional images produced by the company and saying ‘I don’t like that dial’. And the fact that this is the majority opinion should make Francois quite worried. You asked him in your interview if his reaction was like Teflon. He said no but then proceeded to demonstrate that, yes, it is exactly like a kind of delusional Teflon.
One of the best videos on the code 11.59 since introduction. You got a new subscriber here. Extremely nice and detailed imaging angles. I do think this and VC new movement are the 2 highlights of this year's show. The case is truly brilliant.
Congratulations! Thanks for sharing our passion! Which one did you choose? The “11.59” is in fact a beautiful and cool watch… some hardcore collectors tried to “destroy” the “11.59” even before it came to the markets… it was a kind of meaningless organized protest/reaction at the time… May your “11.59” always show you happy seconds, minutes and hours…
So I went and tried these at the boutique. They are not ugly like some individuals proclaim online, however I must agree these are a hard sell. To start, the sales associate had to recite a very long list of features and push the merits of the watch. It felt forced and sad somehow. “The designer spent 5 years thinking the design, the glass took 2 years, only 11 person can polish the case, etc.” This and more, I’ve heard from the SA. Ok but are you proud of this or do you try to convince me these have some aura I can’t see by myself? To me the issue is triple: First, the bracelet is a letdown. It is the same architecture as a swatch bracelet. 2 straps, 5 holes and a buckle. Why no déployant ? Second, the fact they are so proud of the movement, but only the chronograph has a skeletonized mass, meaning the regular date model is less interesting And finally the dial. It looks good, but it also looks very bland. The fact there is zero lume doesn’t help. These are the reasons why I am not interested at the moment. I hope AP will change things a bit and update the proposition, and tell their SA not to push these so hard. I know they must, but it felt close to being in a Souk where a random man tells me his devices are the best. Last thing; AP’s CEO is a smart man and must know this isn’t going to work for the moment. When I hear (also from the SA, and others) that in its time, the Royal Oak was controversial, I must remind them that the issue was related to its back-then gargantuan size, not the design. To finish with a positive note, I will still say that the watch, despite what I said, is good looking in the flesh and shows superior craftmanship. I also will never blame a watch company for trying something new. This isn’t “weird for the sake of being weird”, like so many other brands will do. I wouldn’t like being in AP’s CEO’s shoes, because the situation they are in isn’t easy. I can certainly appreciate that.
The new AP collections are absolutely amazing. Spectacular. Mesmerizing. I think they will top Patek soon if they are going like this. Alexander, I agree with you, there will always be haters. But these are people who talk but never buy. I am currently reviewing my finance, and hopefully I will get myself a new AP's soon. Thank you, great review as always.
there's something about the stance of this piece that reminds me of a domed grand seiko SBGR305 (which is different in that it has sword / calatrava-type hands)
This is the first release from AP that I really like a desing! Classic base but every detail is modern. Very well harmonized! Beautiful simple clean dials (with inner chapter ring, basel less), perfect stealth date window, nice number font, logo, second hand, case, lugs,... caliber. Everything is just right! Nothing cheap. Comparison with DW, Armani, Fosil is totally stupid!
I’ve been thinking about this watch over the past year, withholding my comments. Speaking as a design and branding professional, here are my thoughts, that may help explain people’s reactions. With an entirely new model, there is always some “getting used” to the design. But I think there also may be some additional factors at play here that justify the negative reactions. It has a great movement, but its style keeps it from being as great of a watch as it could be. I see some troubling signs here, along the lines of Piaget's Polo re-launch. I have to wonder if maybe just a freshened up RO, or even a similar, lower-cost steel model may have been a better idea for attracting new, younger customers. 1. The watch is a modern interpretation of a dressy strap watch in Gold. This category is not as popular as a sports steel model, especially with the younger audience AP is trying to attract. And large, bulky dress watches are even less popular. Therefore, the watch is limited by its very concept from the beginning. The execution of the concept further dooms it.... 2. It looks completely different than anything AP has done before, so it has no visual connection to the brand, apart from the subtle octagon sides of the case. To have no styling cues carried over from a brand is risky and almost never done. The fact that the original OAK accomplished this is more an exception rather than the rule. Things have changed and AP is in a much different position today. Its customers have a valid expectation for the watch to look like an AP, given its high cost. 3. The watch looks quite interesting and distinctive from the side profile, but rather generic from the front. This gives it a bit of a "split personality." And it's the opposite approach of most watches, that get their main character from the watch’s face.The face of the Code 1159 lacks the distinctive details that would help to brand it. With so many watches being sold and promoted online this is a big problem, where the watch is pictured flat and in 2D. 4. The narrow, bezel-less face allows the dial to dominate, overpowering the rest of the watch with its "plain-ness" when viewed from the front. There is a trend for colored dials to have a matt finish on upscale watches. Also for textures to be used. The Code 11.59 dial is very smooth and glossy and lacks a guilloche pattern, and the big chapter ring almost looks like plastic. This is very uncharacteristic of AP and similar watches. I think that is why people call it “cheap looking.” A better approach may have been to have the dial mirror the sides of the case, by echoing the cutouts on the indices, like with Panerai. Or perhaps use the instantly recognizable guilloche pattern of the Oak to give it a stronger connection to the brand.
This is a very interesting read! Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts with us! This should start a broad discussion now... Unfortunately RUclips is not the best platform for this... I still hope many here read it and jump right in... I want to wait before sharing my today's point of view ...
You have a great many good points. As a loyal Piaget enthusiast for over 40 years, I own the old Polo. In my view, the relaunch of the line with stainless steel was a positive move. Piaget has always catered to ultra thin movement aficionados, and bejeweled watches for the ladies. The new polo was truly needed to round out the brand to attract a younger range of potential buyers. What most people do not know is that Piaget is a top-tier movement house since 1874. They only started casing and selling their own brand after WW2. Even PP and AP and many others put Piaget movements in their own proprietary cases. So much the better. Getting back to the relaunch, I would have made the new Polo dials slightly different so avoid confusion with Patek. Patek Phillipe certainly stands on its own as a paramount maker, as does Piaget.
@@alexp3752 Thank you for that compliment! I too am a Piaget fan. The original Polo was one of my favorites, and the only Piaget I ever owned. But times have changed. I agree that they needed to make its concept more relevant to today's buyers, and I think they largely achieved that. I think where they fell down was in the styling dept. I can't find one element from the original model. I don't have a problem with the dial so much as as the odd bezel shape and plain looking bracelet. The original's styling was harmonious and flowed together well but I find the new one disjointed. I tried to like it, but just couldn't!
The date window is poorly thought out and evidence of lazy design. Instead of throwing your hands up and asking how they could place the date anywhere else I'd suggest you look at the new Zeitwerk for an example of how things are thoughtfully and tastefully done. Case architecture and movement design is very good, its just the dial that kills the watch.
Shahwaiz Ahmed How can you compare the Zeitwerk with the new 11.95. By the way I have no problem with the date being positioned at 4 o’clock! I just recently bought a watch with such a date configuration...
Thank you for your honest opinion. I do not like the design of the dial and the date position. This at least I can say from the pictures. But will check out the watch at SIHH for sure.
HAY PARA MEJORAR! Sobre todo el Automático con esfera negra pues tiene poca visibilidad. El bisel es excesivamente delgado. La esfera, al reducirse el bisel, es enorme y desprovista como un desierto. La fecha debe estar al lado del 3, sin eliminar el número 3. La gran esfera del automático es insulsa, debe tener algún contraste, alguna tapicería o color en degradé que la haga más interesante, tal vez como el Bolshoi. La caja es excelente. Tal vez el cristal tan grueso oscurece la visibilidad de la esfera negra. El cronógrafo está bien. Aunque yo eliminaría el tachímetro que ya no tiene uso ni sentido mantener. El calendario perpetuo está muy bello. Es el mejor. No lo toquen. ¡Una vez hechas todas esas modificaciones al Automático, NO HABRÁ QUIEN SE RESISTA A ESTE RELOJ!
Here is the translation of Daniel's comment into English: ... "THERE IS TO IMPROVE! Especially the Automatic with black dial because it has poor visibility. The bezel is excessively thin. The dial, as the bezel shrinks, is huge and devoid of desert. The date should be next to 3, without eliminating number 3. The large dial of the automatic is bland, it must have some contrast, some upholstery or a gradient color that makes it more interesting, perhaps like the Bolshoi. The box is excellent. Perhaps the thick glass obscures the visibility of the black dial. The chronograph is fine. Although I would eliminate the tachometer that no longer has use or sense to maintain. The perpetual calendar is very beautiful. Is the best. Don't touch it. Once all these modifications have been made to the Automatic, THERE WILL BE NO RESISTANT TO THIS WATCH!"... Daniel, thanks for sharing your thoughts with us!
I tried these watches on in person, and I still dislike them, the dial is just not ok imo. The problem is that you have to explain the engineering for someone to appreciate it...a watch should speak for itself!
Henri van den Idsert What exactly do you have to explain to someone? What do you mean with the engineering? I am just curious to understand how you discovered the 11.59 in details... looking forward to read your explanations...
WatchAdvisor i was in the AP boutique in Geneva where I live. Got a brilliant explanation from a great sales lady called Mina - on the complexity of the case, the glass, complete with larger demos of those components to illustrate how innovative the design aspects are. How the casing mounts on top of each other, the convex/concave shape of the dial with thicker edges on the outside, how the open lugs are mounted as isolated pieces to the outer case (By the way this is not new despite the marketing - there is a S.T Dupond hyper dome that has these lugs as well). I was however, impressed by the casing, as well as the process they undertake to make the AP logo stand out from the dial (forgive my layman terminology, as I’m not an expert). But we moved on from the demonstration and I tried them on...my reaction was an immediate “no”. Nothing about the watch excited me anymore. To be honest the 11.59 was not the model I was after when I walked in the store, I love the new royal oak ST, so naturally was not excited about this. In my opinion, a classically styled watch like this should not be larger than 37-39mm, it just looks off, and then the white, flat, plastic dial on top of that really creates too much empty, unforgivable space. the darker dials are much more appealing imo. I don’t think this model will do well with younger consumers, and reading up on forums, including this one - many people have the same reaction I did. Having said that, the movement / case back is stunning, particularly on the chrono, which also features some innovations in the fly back mechanism. But again, this is something you don’t see...The price point is also major issue that makes it easier to dismiss the watch as unattractive, because let’s face it, for that price you have quite a few options on pieces that have ‘withstood the test of time’. In short, I don’t believe this watch will create any kind of hype, and the fact that AP is only producing 2000 a year alludes to the fact that they might be aware of this. I just hope they begin producing more ROs 15500ST, it’s the same movement, and they are so difficult to get at the moment.
Henri van den Idsert Thank you so much for this extensive and spontaneous review of the 11.59. I think you brought it to the point: The watch seems to please more an elder generation. That’s what I meanwhile heard a view times. This might also be the reason I like the watches. Readability is good and the design for me is refreshingly new and different. Maybe I have already seen to many RO and ROO in my life. I even posses one ROO. The 11.59 when I saw them the first time and when I recently saw them again still have this little extra appearance for me others don’t have. It will take some time until this particular design will make its way. In the watch industry we say every decade brings out one iconic design. This decade is the decade of the Octo Finissimo from Bulgari, maybe the next decade will be the one of the AP 11.59 ... Once again thank you for your feedback and good luck getting your desired AP RO ST...
Made my way to your video now as I'm tempted to get an almost new gold 11.59. Good value now compared to the ridiculous Royal Oak prices in the market these days.
I went to an AP boutique in Dubai to check out the CODE watches, I’ve been presented with this whole line + two Tourbillons. I can honestly say that nothing, absolutely nothing about this watch felt cheap to me or Michael Kors ish as the jokes go. As I put it on my wrist it felt like an AP and I really love it.
Thank you for sharing your experience and thoughts with us. I don't need to point out here, that I do share this 100% with you ... The design will make its way. It will probably take a little bit longer, but it defentifely will ...
I have always liked odd ball watches from great watch companies. Waited almost 3 years, now I finally pulled the trigger on code 11.59 burgandy dial. However, I bought it in the grey market for about $23k. Probably, the best value watch I own. Love the watch, however, I love it more when its 30% MSRP. Great video.
The marvelous perpetual calendar with aventurine dial for me, please! I mean wow!!! Not a fan of the lacquered dials in the other models and the sense of emptiness but there are tons of possibilities with patterns on the dials to make them look more interesting perhaps. Huge potential with this new model. I like it.
I think the case, glass and movement are great. For me, the blue dial automatic is a winner, but I would prefer it on a black strap. I think the 1159 dials could be improved by complementing the characteristics the double curved glass provides. From what I have seen the experience with this glass is similar to looking through shallow crystal clear water at say a river bed. I think a dial with asymmetrical textures and color variations would work better than a glossy lacquered single color. Imagine that river bottom through clear water with pebbles, sand, moss or driftwood. These dial design cues would possibly work better to create the best dial design for this watch.
I get why people don't like the dials, they do remind me of designer watches. I like the calender one, but the rest don't look like anything special to me. I definitely appreciate the larger 41mm size. Being a big guy, it works for me. For the price though, not at all. I would expect something better
traveler last I have repeatedly written that one should have the watch on the wrist to either like or dislike it. Whenever you have the change put the AP 11.59 on that sought after little spot on your wrist and please let me know what you thought...
I hear and appreciate your Royal Oak comparaison at the end of the video, but Gerald Genta is what you are buying when you buy a Nautilus or a Royal Oak, and I'm afraid that with the Code 11.59 - at least from my perspective - the design is a miss. And yes AP's finishes are always sublime (the best when it comes to cases/bracelets/dials imo) so no it's by no means a "cheap" watch. All in all, where Genta innovated, i feel like whoever is responsible for this design just put together a marketing report of watch trends between 2014 and 2019 into a renderer and the Code 11.59 poped out.
Yes, Genta designed some nice watches... The Nautilus is not among them. I don't like that design at all. The watch just is so popular because you can't buy it. Would the watch be available, I doubt so many would wear it and that there would be any hype at all... Just my two cents. I like the design of the Royal Oak and in my opinion the design of the 11.95 is not bad at all. It will make its way and clearly positions Audemars Piguet somewhere else than before, and I think this was part of the entire exercise ...
@@WatchAdvisor I do think Patek got a little out of hand with the modern Nautilus, but the 3700 is a beauty. But i agree with what you said in the video, when comparing the Ingenieur to the Royal Oak (and even the nautilus) it is the brand's savoir faire that brings those designs to life, through the movement of course, but the extremly high tolerances when it comes to case/bracelet finishings and most importantly, through these incredible dials. And yeah Genta did have some "questionable" designs with the Pasha and the Ellipse for instance. Sitting at 41mm - and here is just my personal opinion - for this style of "large dress watches on a strap" i would rather go with an IWC 500107 or a JLC 1278420 which also happen to have precious metal variations. But then again they might be so far ahead that we can't see yet how they anticipated the upcomming trends in the watch industry - but i somehow doubt it due to their heavy reliance on the Royal Oak line and the fact this piece has been designed (from what i have heard from the reportings - and it might be wrong) fully in house.
Impale Thank you for sharing your thoughts! I personally hope for AP that the new 11.59 will take some pressure from the Royal Oak. So far it was a risky decision to rely only on one icon. I would say it is probably better to have a second pilar in the pipeline. You never know ... Yes the 11.59 was designed in-house. I don’t think that a designer from outside would have done a better job. In the end the design had to please the management and owners and it did as we see... I believe in this revolution and I think the 11.95 will make its way. Already the amount of free advertising and promotion the 11.59 got so far is in fact a brilliant start for a new product. Everybody talks about the watch... positive or negative... but people talk and get involved... many other brands get not attention at all ... neither positive nor negative... When you had the chance to put a 11.95 on your wrist let me/us know what you think 🤔
For all seasoned collectors, a classic high end THREE CENTRE HANDS Manual WIND, with long minute hand, and an even longer second hand, is the most desirable. One from Patek would cost you a Benz or a BMW. So, kudos to Grand Seiko, again, for continuing with the SBGW series, giving watch lovers an opportunity to enjoy what the connoisseurs called the Best of watches, at an affordable price, with finishing even Patek would not want to compete. Wonder when Rolex would come out with one and make themselves credible? In this world of marketing, unless you know this basic principle, you would be so intoxicated that there would be no chance for you to wake up to this simple truth.
Alexander Linz ist super cool! Er verteidigt AP zu Recht. Allerdings verstehe ich auch wenn das Gehäuse auf den ersten Blick 1. zu normal bzw. nicht besonders genug aussieht und 2. deswegen auf den ersten Blick nichtssagend und billig wirkt. Besonders die ausgesparten Bandanstöße erinnern mich an Designs von sehr viel billigeren Uhren. Die Uhr ist Understatement und die Qualität liegt in den Details die man auf den zweiten Blick erkennt. Vielleicht ein zukünftiger Klassiker. Radikale Neuheiten brauchen immer ihre Zeit. Die neueste Seamaster Diver 300M wurde doch auch erst zerrissen und mittlerweile gefeiert.
Bruno Schoelkopf Die Zeit wird zeigen, ob die 11.95 die Herzen der AP Gemeinschaft erobern kann. Die Uhr ist jedenfalls sehr viel besser, als diejenigen behaupten die die Uhr noch nicht einmal in natura gesehen haben.
It is an interesting new direction. The watch itself looks quite large, so will likely appeal to those that prefer dress watches with a lot of presence. When something is as different as this design, of course it will be polarizing. Before I comment too much, I will reserve my opinion as you advise. But, I will say that the new movement looks very nice and much improved.
Dan Finch The AP 11.59 is the new design language of the brand. What I have heard so far the watches do sell well. I even saw the first on a wrist... so there we go, probably not as ugly as many here thought and for sure not a flop! New design always needs time to get accepted ....
Love the case but not the dial. I think you can make a snap judgement of the overall look. Seeing this watch in the metal won’t change my opinion of the layout or lack of legibility. Sorry my friend but the backlash could be justified. AP’s CEO could lose his job over this bad launch.
All his points were very valid. I like the passion in his voice. It's like defending his child. Completely true about if Social media had existed with the release of the Royal Oak. I mean, non-watch people still think the Royal oak is ugly. I like this design. Just don't like the date at 4 'o' clock.
I really like the case and lug design, and the crystal is absolutely amazing. But I do think the dials (and specifically the fonts) are a bit bland. I think if a lessor brand had launched these in steel, they would be a great hit. But maybe the expectations are just too high for a brand like AP, and the price points are too high for these watches, and that's what has led to the backlash
Thank you so much for this great video Alexander! What do you think about introduction of Code 11.59 Self winding (Time only model）in stainless steel with green dial (like AP RO Offshore boutique edition) ? If you have a chance to talk to Mr Bennahmias next time can you ask him about it? That lime green or toxic green would look cool and unique since white, black, blue are quite common.
I didn't like the watch so far, however I do agree with you ... the watch community members need some time to digest the new ideas, concept and the message of watch. I have to see it in real to build my opinion about it. According to AP CEO, it took them 7 years of R&D to develop this watch, so the one can't absorb the whole 7 years in just few seconds. Moreover, the watch passion "syndrome" is an evolving thing, one day you don't like the watch, the day after it is your ultimate dream... you never know, maybe in a few years from now it will be the most wanted watch , or it will be just another watch in the product portfolio. I would love to see it on a braclet rather than a leather strap. Keep up the good work.. big fan of the channel. Regards MAN
amazing one to one! the case amazing and the movements to die for.. but the legibility? that is key for a watch in my opinion.. the white one looks great as is crisp and easy to read...again great video!
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and the positive feedback. Legibility has become an issue with almost all watches these days, especially when you need reading glasses as I do ....
I think this collection sucks, regardless of what you say. It's ergonomics are horrible with the barrel shape ,it dosn't slide under the shirt,and the dial layout is empty and not proportionate. I acknowledge the materials and the technics applied ,but as Winston Churchill would say : " No mater how brilliant the strategy one should always look at the results ". Off course tastes differ but this brand remains the Royal Oak brand ...
You know when you're a member of the Swiss holy trinity, people expect things off you. You've made money off your reputation but what have you done to earn it? The fact that the only watch from ap that gets mention is the royal oak is everything. These watches are fine... But ap isn't breaking technical ground. Compare that to a brand doing everything right like lange. They could have coasted on the 1815 or datograph but no. They did the double split, a world first and still in a class of its own years later. Triple split a world first and in a class of its own. Rattrapante perpetual. Zeitwerk, a world first. Zeitwerk minute repeaters with a decimal minute repeater with the power actually coming from the mainspring? What? That's crazy... Turbograph. Lange time zone. Every year something new and updates on the old. There's a real sense of luxury and marvel there. Vc and Patek new offerings seem stale by comparison with less finishing. Lange meanwhile is single handedly making bedroom poster watches near every year. Ap in my mind is what happens when a brand just kind of gives up and coasts on reputation and a one hitter. These watches are cool. Beautiful even... But coming from grand complications level stuff they used to do it's just whatever.
I fully agree with you on A. Lange & Söhne. I expressed my admiration not only once in my videos. By the way: did you watch my video where I show the new Lange 1 Zeitzone with the black dial? Let me know what you think! Audemars Piguet could in fact do better and surprise us with something new and not only concept watches... The brand very much relies on its bestsellers ... The 11.59 will make its way, but it will take some time though. The potential at AP is there...
AP's RO have the most iconic designs: Fact AP's movement are beautiful: Fact AP's time accuracy are crap: Fact 11.59 movement and casing look astonishing more so than on pictures: Fact 11.59 _dial_ look crap and cheap: Fact 11.59 new movement accuracy... I guess we'll have to wait and see the reviews In the end... if you like it, you can afford it and it doesn't bother you... buy it.
yes AP should change the movement on the Royal Oak they look too small also the dark dials on the new watch lack contrast the case design and finishing is very nice I would like a folding clasp on the watch
Ok, I agree, the watch is pretty. But, what is it? It's not a dress watch (too big, futuristic and complicated case shape). It's not a sports watch (just 30m WR, precious metals, leather straps.)
In my view the watch looks too big and too thick for a dress watch! On top of that the design of the dials seems in line with generic low cost mass produced watches for hipsters and draws no clues from the brands history and culture.
Giannis Nikolinakos I don’t think AP particularly conceived a dress watch... It’s the 11.95! A new watch that can be everything. Concerning the dial please have a look at the watch in real and you will think different. We tried to film the 11.95 as good as we could but still these pictures are not showing you everything. And you have to have the watch on your wrist... Then you will know ...
Sorry but not buying anything you said about the look of the watches. When you see a Ferrari, you don’t have be inside of it to know that it’s beautiful, same with landscapes, people, etc. Why did AP insist to the press not to take pictures just of the dial of the watch anyway? For me that Dial it’s from a Michael Kors Watch. It’s lazy, without any imagination possible.
The machining of the movement, case and crystal can be agreed by all as excellent. The fact remains, that dial in blue is unreadable. You cannot argue against that.
Many other watches from AAA brands on the market have the same problem and there is no shitstorm ... It is a general problem, that many dials do reflect too much light and therefore the readability of the time is not great.
Thank you for sharing your opinion on this line of watches Alexander. Even before I came across your video, I had already formed my opinion on the release and found it extremely intriguing. I agree with the majority that the 3-hander does not do much for me. But starting with the chronograph, to the perpetual calendar, to the tourbillon, to the skeleton and the sonnerrie, I think AP did a great job with the line overall. And I think the brand did very well with their strategy. 1. They introduced 3 new calibres with this release 2. They introduced a new case design that quite obviously appeals to the majority 3. They introduced a double curved cover to increase clarity, something that also seems ok to most 4. They are ready to roll the line out immediately with units available within the next few weeks. To do all these things at the same time would not be possible if they did not plan it this way. So kudos to AP for having a lot of foresight and organization to make this happen. AP is really known as a luxury line. And for such high-priced watches, I think one would really need to love everything about the watch to buy one. It is a bit unfortunate that the dial does not appeal to the majority. Because I think it takes away from all of the other things they achieved in this line. When the headlines could say that 3 new calibres, including the much awaited chronograph has finally come out, it might end up saying AP's dial could possibly sink the whole line. When the headlines could say AP pulls off major accomplishment by being able to roll out watches immediately after launch, it will say the line has more detractors than supporters. Even though the movements and other elements of the line will be lauded, 11.59 might end up not getting the credit it deserves. I think AP did well to only produce 2,000 watches. I think these will still sell out to the minority who like them. If 11.59 does become a huge hit, AP should thank those early buyers by awarding them for their loyalty! If I had the money for it, I wouldn't mind having the black on gold chronograph or the aventurine perpetual calendar myself!
With this design, AP is absolutely distinguishing itself. Very elegant house, double curved dial - a very unique signature, distinction. It is a beautiful step up! My favorite between those presented here, is the one with white dial and matte brass colored case.
More and more people seem to like the 11:59 design. Thats what I predicted when it was launched and heavily criticized. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us. Let me ask you one thing: Did you have the chance for a touch and feel yet?
Did you have the chance to see the 11.59 in real? I think if you already like the video, then you will be astonished how cool these watches are when you go for a go he & feel. Keep me posted!
I really like the case, REALLY like the case , my problem is the date location , but that is a personal choice . The dial is just too minimalistic for the black (the big empty space between the center and 6 (top heavy)) but the minute repeater looks more balanced. The white dial i like because it adds depth (or it can be easily seen) which adds a bit of busyness . Don't know if putting a simple AP instead of the whole name would balance it more . Maybe also faceted Pencil hands instead of needle hands (Personal choice again). The watch is OK , and i think that people expected more while the others are just riding the hate train , but for me the case is a winner . The chrono i find too busy , drop the date and it should be ok ........... and would make it easier to produce . Im sure they will sell , and the future iterations will be better (dials) . Did i say i like the case 😁I don't really look at AP as the Genta design is not my cup of tea, but it's refreshing to see AP trying something new .............this has a better case than the RO in my opinion
In my opinion, AP should design the watch from the outside. They should not design the machine first, then design the housing of the watch. It is the same as designing a car; do you think Rolls Royce design the interior first, then design the look of the car?
Alexander Tan Did you see the watch in real yet? I think just like a car you have to see the real thing. Pictures/videos won’t show you all ... Let me know when you saw the 11.59 and when you had it on your wrist what you think...
The case and lug design are simply spectacular. I see many iterations of dial designs, materials and complications. I think in its most simple form there’s an undefined appearance concerning the dial design that people are responding to. I rather like the three dial complication chronograph. This is twenty first century formal elegance.
Bruce, that’s the way to see the new 11.59 from Audemars Piguet! Twenty first century formal elegance. BRAVO! This design shocked the AP community and hopefully woke them up too... Only by daring you will be successful... of course the design will still need some to get accepted by more potential buyers and collectors, but I knew it from the beginning that it would become an iconic design one day... thanks for sharing your thoughts with us...
My words! You need to try the 11.59 on the wrist and you will like it... The new design needs more time to get accepted by a greater audience... you discovered it earlier... BRAVO! Keep us posted and let me know if you have questions...
@@WatchAdvisor I bought it yesterday at the boutique. It is so beautiful. Blue and white gold. One has to look at things with open mind and heart and think for oneself. I fell in love!
WOW! Congratulations! May your Audemars Piguet always show you HAPPY seconds, minutes and hours! Please share more feedback with us once you have worn your 11.59 for a while...
Love the new series. Its AP’s way of saying “this is how its done” . Its one of those, many people didn’t like it at first but now look its double/tripled in price.
Lets be honest here, if i buy a 20-30k watch, i want it to look like a 20-30k watch.
Thank god they've broken away from the Royal Oak style and gone for something interesting and modern. That's progress 👍
MiataBRG You have to dare to be successful and the 11.59 is successful meanwhile...
I don't see what people are complaining about?? The case design and finish looks spectacular. One of the best, somewhat contemporary, takes on the dress watch. The hidden octagon carries enough traces of the RO design language without being over bearing. The mix of polished and brushed details are well thought out and executed to prefection. The movements look spectacular. And that curved/domed crystal sounds like it would be a treat to actually see in real life.
Who cares if the majority of keyboard warriors on social media don't like it. As if AP is standing their eagerly waiting for your approval 😆
Me neither! That’s what I said last year when I presented and defended the AP 11.59 collection... it needs time that we see the true beauty and discover that this is good design. I am very happy to read this, thanks for sharing!
AP is obviously paying homage to the Armani chrono..
Thank you! I have grown sick and tired of ppl looking at pictures on social media and slamming a watch they have never seen for real, let alone own. They wear a Tag Heuer or Seamaster at best and think they even remotely understand what has gone into the Code 11.59. A code is designed not to be understood by everyone and I for one think this is a good thing. Every time I look at my 11.59 I discover details that generally are only feasible for watchmakers that produce 3 watches a year by hand. The shape of the hands alone is a masterpiece of design and complexity. Are there better watches? Yes. Is it a true and worthy successor to the Royal Oak. Absolutely. Thank you again for cutting the ignorant nay sayers back to size.
Thanks for sharing your passion with us! Bravo! Well, there is nothing to add here... I just can write: I couldn't agree more!
I think the presenter missed the point of the "bashing"
No one denied the technical side, but the design of the dial. It looks like a Michael Kors dial. So its the design language that got the bashing, we all know the technical side is always top-notch with AP
In sure materials and finish are second to none... but the watch is just not that visually appealing.
You can have your opinion and if you like them that’s great and you can’t be wrong it’s just an opinion. At the same time, in my and in most other people’s opinion the dials look boring and nothing new. The 1979 argument is invalid as the Royal Oak design and concept was something that was never seen before and the whole watch looked completely unique. The dials on these watches look like something that has been done before in much cheaper watches. The cases are cool but that’s not enough to save them from their boring dials. I’m sure AP will fix the dials if they don’t sell well, I hope for their CEO’s sake they do sell well as you can see the effort and pure passion he has put into these products. I genuinely hope I and most other people are wrong, but I fear I’m not.
Dawn Keebolz I think he was just panicking because he wasn’t expecting the hugely negative response. This new project is also like his baby so he got very defensive, as CEO you should be prepared for anything though. Hopefully he and AP learns from this and they sort out the dials for next year. I think the cases and movements have huge potential.
Very well said. I appreciated the passion and energy the CEO displayed during his into video. But the design just looks too overused. I am not APs market, i am sure they did some form of market research so maybe I am wrong.
@Dawn Keebolz I saw the interview but didn't think he was defensive. I thought he was excited to share the thought and detail that went into their design. The dial is round. That's about the only thing in the watch that has been done before. Everything else showcases new designs, structural improvements and new calibres. Also they not only made models to showcase. They are ready to sell and move. Show today, sell tomorrow. A real launch of a full line of watches. All these things put together make this CODE 11.59 launch a legit accomplishment.
Who would want a Royal Oak now?!
Bob Graham12345 the royal Oak wasn’t received very well at launch. The real problem is people criticizing people, cars, architecture, watches and who knows what else just by a few press photos. How can anyone make an educated critique off the cuff of something without seeing and experiencing it firsthand? Your and others options are shortsighted at best. If everyone wants to see first and then trash it then so be it.
I appreciate and commend the common sense and wisdom you exhibit in this video. Your presentation certainly clears the air and sheds new light on these new watches. I look forward to seeing several of these pieces in the flesh.
Thank you David!
Umm... its the hollow lugs not attaching to the case only attaching to the bezel is not appealing. Am sure the movements and build quality are exceptional, but the case and lugs are not attractive, but am sure some people will like them.
Thank you Alexander for a very nice and unbiased review. I think most of the people don't have a problem with the craftsmanship (and evidently it's top notch), it's the dial design. The indices and hands for me look cheap and underwhelming. I do like how the case is finished, however.
Like your comment !
I really like the white dial version. The dark dials are hard to read. Overall, I like this new design.
I wonder if that is true in person.
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what's funny when you say this?
WatchAdvisor funny cause I still cannot afford it though it personally looks so unappealing
@@feraldorozanandy1114 Never mind!
Sam Grant it’s a pointless comment and you know it.
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A "sportier" version of this with a bracelet I think would be very very nice.
I’m not convinced 🤷🏻♂️ ... see it more to be worn with a strap... Sportier? I’d choose a good looking high-tech tissue strap ...
Honest, professional criticism:
• The huge sizing is not good. That alone makes them look like cheap watches, especially from a distance. Look at the video at 6:55- those simply don’t look like $20k+ watches. Quite the opposite. Which leads to the next criticism-
• The dial proportions. The hands, indices, name, etc look tiny in that giant case. Like little slivers. Everything is out of balance.
• The 4 o’clock date window is a horrible implementation on any watch that’s not a chronograph. They’re abrupt and they throw off the symmetry. They’re simply not attractive or cohesive.
• The worst of the collection in my opinion is the white 3 hand watch. If I’m being truly honest... it does look like a cheap Chinese watch.
The case design, lugs & glass deserve praise. That’s good design, and quite radical(in a good way).
I don’t think most people are contesting that.
It’s the disconnect between such forward thinking in that design language vs the remedial, conservative, even pedestrian design of the dials.
It’s as if the case designers and the dial designers were kept separate and didn’t communicate.
Someone else stepped in when it came to those dials and restricted creativity.
I’d venture to guess management, or at least that’s what it looks like.
The case is bursting with creativity while the dials are completely void of it.
And perhaps that’s how I’d sum up this line.
To AP: It’s likely these watches won’t be a huge success.
That’s okay.
This is just a starting point.
You now have amazing new movements to build upon and exceptional cases to house them in.
Learn from the mistakes and criticisms, unleash your creativity and show the world what you’re capable of!
Cheers!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us!
New subscriber here. I’m just seeing this now as I am new to watches. I am currently in Geneva and looked at the current offerings of AP, Patek, VC dress watches. I have to say that the Code 1159 is spectacular in comparison to similar dress watches of other brands. And the dial…well, you simply have wear it one full day in the sunlight. The innovative design/shape of the sapphire makes for an ever changing dial depending on the angle of the sun/light. You truly have to test drive it to appreciate why the dial seems “simple”. Only 250 were made for each iteration (2019). I’m glad that this is the first watch of my collection. Haters will soon become admirers. You are absolutely correct.
Welcome to WatchAdvisor! Love your comment and thoughts! As you describe it … you have to see the 1159 in real! Always let me know if you have any questions…
He always makes me feel that the price he pays for the great access he gets is to say that he likes everything. Let’s hear if there’s any love for this watch from a commentator who is more objective.
Angus McIntosh Angus, simply because I really LIKE the new AP and you probably not does not mean that I wasn’t objective when recording this video... PS: I never said and will say „I like everything“ ...
WatchAdvisor Hi Alexander and thanks for your reply. Fair enough that you genuinely like the 11.59 - I know you are not alone. I do enjoy your channel and would enjoy it even more if I felt you were freer to be more critical on occasion. Otherwise it feels like you’re just an advertising window for the brands and a mouthpiece for their management.
Angus, I guarantee you that I am not an "advertising window for the brands and a mouthpiece for their management". In case of the 11.59 I first discovered the new watches live and then we taped the video. What I said was my opinion... Only because in January a majority (that even had not seen the watches in real!!) did not like the 11.59, but I did, does not mean that I am an "advertising window for the brands and a mouthpiece for their management". I don't care what others think, I have my own opinion and if I like something I like it.
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Alex, when the code1159 was launched I have to admit I was not impressed with it and made my judgement before even holding one in my hands. I kept my opinion to myself though.
Two years later today, my view on this watch has completely changed. I got the chance to see it in person at the boutique, the first time I hold it I still had doubts. But the watch grew on me and now I'm loving it. You warned us two years ago, and u are absolutely right! Love your content 🙂
Thank you VERY much! This design needs time and at least one or two touch and feel approaches to be understood. The 11.59 will make its way and will get some small fine tuning. I give a watch, when I see it the very first time, seven to ten seconds... If I don't like it then, at least for me, it is game over. I saw the 11.59 in real and I liked it in the just mentioned time window 😉 I would have not defended the 11.59 that much otherwise. No one tells me what to do and I couldn't care less what others think or fanboys try to explain me. As the so discussed A. Lange & Söhne Odysseus, that I also like very much, this Audemars Piguet 11.59 collection will make its way...
Some of the best watches in the world had “haters” upon release. As always, the customers will decide. And I think these watches will do fine.
Such as?
@@100yugiohtrader Royal Oak and the Offshore
Yu-Gi-Oh Duelist , such as the AP Royal Oak. The RO was criticized for both the design and price. It took over a year before they sold the initial production of 1000 watches before the sales took off.
This is true, there are a few great watches that had a lot of "haters" upon release. But the vast majority of the time, when a watch is poorly received upon its release, it's going to be a flop in the market. I somehow suspect the "Code 11.59" (what a terrible name) will end up being a flop, particularly considering its price point and derivative dial design. The dial design looks an awful lot like last year's JLC Polaris, which is another watch that is performing very badly in the market.
Based on the interviews with AP CEO Bennahmias so far, it seems that it was his decision not to put a bezel on this watch. I think that made all the difference in the reaction to this piece. Sides are OK. The octagonal shape case sandwiched in the middle is GREAT. But what happened to the face? The dial seems rushed and uninspired, the stick hands from historical AP models look good, but without a compelling dial it looks mediocre. Finally, when you put a bland dial on a watch with no bezel, what character do you provide on the face of the watch? This is where the backlash is coming from. You don't need to see it live to see when a dial is uninspired. Although the reactions were extreme, I see why a lot of passionate AP fans felt offended by this code, particularly the basic model after AP saying it took them 8 years to develop this line.
It took until last year to accomplish the movements, the case design was only started two years ago ...
These first watches are only the start of the 11.95 collection... Old AP passionate may be offended, new potential buyers too... Many others now get interested in the brand ... End of the day this collection will be a success and the first collection sought after since only 2700 were made ... Only time will tell ...
In any case, AP became a trend on social networks with this watch 😆
@@AntonioLeoni Indeed they got a lot of attention! Now everyone knows the brand. Should Francois manufacture 80.000 watches per year now? :-))
I think the dial is suffering from just too much empty space on the basic three hand models. The ones with complications or with non-solid color dial(like that minute repeater) looks alright. It feels strange to say, but I think the three hand basic models could you more writing on the bottom half to maybe balance out the top and to reduce the empty space.
Great review as always Alexander, It is a gorgeous looking watch with a very unique case design that in my opinion is stunning especially in real life hands on. François and the team at AP should be very proud
New design needs time to be accepted… now slowly more and more potential customers do like the code 11.59 …
This is the most brilliant watch design created since the a. lange und söhne perpetual calendar, and people have yet to realize it
I couldn’t agree more and I said it from the beginning…
Actually the more I look at them the more fascinating details I notice. I honestly don't give dress watches a lot of thought. I barely ever wear suits. And I'm very picky about how my watch matches what I'm wearing from the overall design down to the color of the dial or the strap in many cases. And even though I can appreciate the work and talent the goes into making the dressy higher end timepieces by all the greats, I still find the dress watch design in most cases to be boring and almost generic as it will 95% of the time conform to the classic old school aesthetics and there's nothing wrong with that. But when I think about a dress watch that I would really want to own I would instantly gravitate to Lange with their big date windows and contemporary dials. And I've been recently introduced to H. Moser and their lovely dials. So for me this AP makes perfect sense and is now one of 3 dress watches that I would buy and quite possibly the first one on that list.
And just to put things into perspective, a year later from AP's release and after spending 5 minutes on chrono24, there's less than a handful of Time-Date and less than a handful of Chronograph 11.59s. Meanwhile, and only from 2019-2020, there's +100 New Calatravas and +1000 New Daytonas on offer. Let that sink in.
Love your comment! That's what I said in the video and I wrote countless times in my comments: You need to discover the 11.59 and understand its design and positioning before you simply start bashing this Audemars Piguet. Experienced and serious retailers immediately fell in love with the 11.59 since they know what mature buyers are looking for. So thank you very much for sharing your thought with us! And I don't want to comment on you additional remark... I just want to say: I couldn't agree more! Let me know if you need any more information about the 11.59 and/or if you have a question...
WatchAdvisor Thank you Alexander. For the video and for keeping an objective point of view.
I think this is one those cases where AP is a name many people “love to hate” for whatever reason.
It is indeed a fabulous design from AP and quite the impressive line up. I just hope that when I’m ready to get one that they are still available.
jimmyjay122 The 11.59 is meant to stay and become another pillar of AP. So you have time and who knows what watches will until then be part of the collection... A functional GMT/UTC would be marvelous ...
I saw the watch in real life and was at the fair. All of my friends who also attended the fair and saw the watch also did not like it all. And it looks and feels cheap apart of the aventurine and super sonnerie
however they will steel sell out as it is ap
Are you talking about the minute repeater with the different blue dial and the aventurine dial.? They are the same watches just different paint and dial theme. So you kinda like the watch just not every material.
@@kevintoth5365 yes and yes and yes haha. Obviously the dial is a big factor of a watch haha.
@@damianhenniger I have to agree with you those 2 watches with different dials I'm sold. But both come over 70k. I feel like we have been robbed with the dial a bit. But the case itself is nice along with the glass. I kinda like the white dial but different layout maybe.
@@kevintoth5365 i mean it's too expensive A, the basic models should have been cheaper. B ap wanted to make a fully autonomous model line but still incorporated the octagonal ring to play it a bit safe.
I love this case design. The choice of brushed with polished edges is beautiful. The decorated movement is beautiful. Plus the wrist shot was of a thin man and it showed that the watch wore smaller on the wrist than you would think. That crystal is very unique. The enamel dials are very deep and glossy. I really like it. I guess people where expecting a textured dial and a unique bracelet to top the Royal Oak. I've seen some hideous $700k watches and this AP line shouldnt be bashed. I look forward to seeing more lines from them.
Mad Hatter Great 👍 comment Mad! Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us and as you can imagine I couldn’t agree more. I hope you will very son have an opportunity to have a touch and feel with the new 11.95. I am also curious to read your feedback then...
I think I’m one of the few that loved this from the start and time has just deepened that. If I had the money that stunning perpetual would be mine. Oh, and I think I’m the only person to like the date at 4. To my eyes it disappears when I don’t want to focus on it but when I do I can see it easily.
The 11.59 perpetual calendar in fact is a stunner! Just to let you know, I don’t have a problem with the date at”4 o’clock” either... 😉 The Blancpain Fifty Fathoms Bathyscaphe has it there too and I like the diver very much...
They could do so much better...
I do agree with you.. the second I put it on my wrist I found it gorgeous, and with time the love just kept increasing. There are numerous details that cannot be captured at first sight.. So forget about a picture or even a video.
Thanks for sharing, so true… Do you actually own one? If yes, please share more thoughts with us…
I do - I own a two-tone rose and white gold Chronograph model. I heard that some people didn’t like the Code when it was first revealed at SIHH 2019, but I loved it at first sight..
First, I was attracted by the double case, a round one and an octagon-shaped for the middle part (an obvious hommage to the RO). I normally don’t get dual tones, but the pairing was gorgeous in this particular instance.. plus, the rose gold is very discreet, and highlights the dual case construction.
Finishes are incredible - Polished and brushed AP-style. Nothing surprising, but I had to mention it since haters described the watch as « cheap looking »..
I also appreciate the fact that AP used rose gold for the hands and many other parts on top of that grey lacquered dial. Again, very discreet and it makes it even more elegant..
It’s also a very versatile watch - Depending on what I wear I can switch the straps to something more casual or dressy, and it does the job very well.. But I have to admit that in most cases I go for the black alligator leather one!
Obviously this is just my opinion. There’s a ton of options on the market, but I fell for this particular AP Code 11:59.. and I now wear it more than my Daytona or my submariner..
Great video and opinions. Yes I agree reaction was aggressive. If AP uses a similar color combination for their time as their minute repeater .. and launched a thinner case at least for the time only I guarantee you things would have been different. A simple time only white on gold with that big case and dial just didn’t work and put the whole collection down. The biggest issue was with the time and chrono color combinations, thickness, and execution. The qp and minutebrepeater were much better received. My biggest disappointment is indeed the thickness of the watches.
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Even for people who defend the watch, if it doesn't shout out as amazing it's a fail anyway. People try to find these good points about that watch and that itself is a fail for AP. It should sing the moment you see it.
Code 11.59 is a breath of fresh air. I’m in love and in time it will be loved. Proud owner of the automatic 2 tone gold with black Sunburst dial.
Bravo! Well done! When did you buy yours? Did you first discover the watch online or real? Do you agree with what I said in the video that one needs to see the watch in real first?
WatchAdvisor brought it a week ago. I did see both in real and online (through your channel) a year ago. But the 2 tone this year is something else. It was love at first sight. I totally agree, pictures don’t do justice. One needs to see it in person for its beauty and all that hard work gone in.
I think the cases are interesting and the nee movement lineup is great to see. The movements look beautiful. However, I am still not inspired by the design of the dial. They may be excellently constructed, but I dont think they live up to the personality or the case. Everyone wanted a "wow" from AP. When you only have one watch in your collection and people love it (RO) you better make sure you next big release 50 years later is something special.
Nice attempt. Interesting case and lug design. Tho the thickness is not as desired as a dressy watch.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us... The 11.59 is not a pure elegant watch but more a sporty-elegant one...
Alexander I think you’ll find that most people are viewing the images on a new or nearly new smartphone with some of the best, sharpest displays this side of the IMAX. It is the dial they will be looking at constantly throughout the day, so they are correct in trashing dials which are effectively trash. They are not caressing the lugs all day or comparing case edges.
Everyone’s opinion should be respected, yours and ours. Negative opinions should not trashed by you, by you suggesting that they are reacting out of some madness or blind hatred. People are looking at the professional images produced by the company and saying ‘I don’t like that dial’. And the fact that this is the majority opinion should make Francois quite worried. You asked him in your interview if his reaction was like Teflon. He said no but then proceeded to demonstrate that, yes, it is exactly like a kind of delusional Teflon.
the first 2000 and something are anyhow sold, then let us see what is next
The backlash of code 1159 is insane
Dawn Keebolz oh boy!
One of the best videos on the code 11.59 since introduction. You got a new subscriber here. Extremely nice and detailed imaging angles. I do think this and VC new movement are the 2 highlights of this year's show. The case is truly brilliant.
Thank you Oe for the positive feedback and for following us in the future! I will pass the compliment to Jorge, one of my two cameramen.
It’s 2022 and I got one. This watch’s beauty is all in the details.
Congratulations! Thanks for sharing our passion! Which one did you choose? The “11.59” is in fact a beautiful and cool watch… some hardcore collectors tried to “destroy” the “11.59” even before it came to the markets… it was a kind of meaningless organized protest/reaction at the time… May your “11.59” always show you happy seconds, minutes and hours…
So I went and tried these at the boutique. They are not ugly like some individuals proclaim online, however I must agree these are a hard sell. To start, the sales associate had to recite a very long list of features and push the merits of the watch. It felt forced and sad somehow.
“The designer spent 5 years thinking the design, the glass took 2 years, only 11 person can polish the case, etc.” This and more, I’ve heard from the SA.
Ok but are you proud of this or do you try to convince me these have some aura I can’t see by myself?
To me the issue is triple:
First, the bracelet is a letdown. It is the same architecture as a swatch bracelet. 2 straps, 5 holes and a buckle. Why no déployant ?
Second, the fact they are so proud of the movement, but only the chronograph has a skeletonized mass, meaning the regular date model is less interesting
And finally the dial. It looks good, but it also looks very bland. The fact there is zero lume doesn’t help.
These are the reasons why I am not interested at the moment. I hope AP will change things a bit and update the proposition, and tell their SA not to push these so hard. I know they must, but it felt close to being in a Souk where a random man tells me his devices are the best.
Last thing; AP’s CEO is a smart man and must know this isn’t going to work for the moment. When I hear (also from the SA, and others) that in its time, the Royal Oak was controversial, I must remind them that the issue was related to its back-then gargantuan size, not the design.
To finish with a positive note, I will still say that the watch, despite what I said, is good looking in the flesh and shows superior craftmanship.
I also will never blame a watch company for trying something new. This isn’t “weird for the sake of being weird”, like so many other brands will do. I wouldn’t like being in AP’s CEO’s shoes, because the situation they are in isn’t easy. I can certainly appreciate that.
Interesting read! Thanks for sharing!
The new AP collections are absolutely amazing. Spectacular. Mesmerizing. I think they will top Patek soon if they are going like this.
Alexander, I agree with you, there will always be haters. But these are people who talk but never buy. I am currently reviewing my finance, and hopefully I will get myself a new AP's soon. Thank you, great review as always.
Sb Sb your nuts mate no way they gonna best Patek with these dress watches. How’s this best a 5270? Now that’s a masterpiece.
Thanks for the feedback! Let me know if you need anything else...
there's something about the stance of this piece that reminds me of a domed grand seiko SBGR305 (which is different in that it has sword / calatrava-type hands)
Really?
This is the first release from AP that I really like a desing! Classic base but every detail is modern. Very well harmonized! Beautiful simple clean dials (with inner chapter ring, basel less), perfect stealth date window, nice number font, logo, second hand, case, lugs,... caliber. Everything is just right! Nothing cheap. Comparison with DW, Armani, Fosil is totally stupid!
... "Comparison with DW, Armani, Fosil is totally stupid!" ... I couldn't agree more!!!
@@WatchAdvisor thank you!
I’ve been thinking about this watch over the past year, withholding my comments. Speaking as a design and branding professional, here are my thoughts, that may help explain people’s reactions. With an entirely new model, there is always some “getting used” to the design. But I think there also may be some additional factors at play here that justify the negative reactions. It has a great movement, but its style keeps it from being as great of a watch as it could be. I see some troubling signs here, along the lines of Piaget's Polo re-launch. I have to wonder if maybe just a freshened up RO, or even a similar, lower-cost steel model may have been a better idea for attracting new, younger customers.
1. The watch is a modern interpretation of a dressy strap watch in Gold. This category is not as popular as a sports steel model, especially with the younger audience AP is trying to attract. And large, bulky dress watches are even less popular. Therefore, the watch is limited by its very concept from the beginning. The execution of the concept further dooms it....
2. It looks completely different than anything AP has done before, so it has no visual connection to the brand, apart from the subtle octagon sides of the case. To have no styling cues carried over from a brand is risky and almost never done. The fact that the original OAK accomplished this is more an exception rather than the rule. Things have changed and AP is in a much different position today. Its customers have a valid expectation for the watch to look like an AP, given its high cost.
3. The watch looks quite interesting and distinctive from the side profile, but rather generic from the front. This gives it a bit of a "split personality." And it's the opposite approach of most watches, that get their main character from the watch’s face.The face of the Code 1159 lacks the distinctive details that would help to brand it. With so many watches being sold and promoted online this is a big problem, where the watch is pictured flat and in 2D.
4. The narrow, bezel-less face allows the dial to dominate, overpowering the rest of the watch with its "plain-ness" when viewed from the front. There is a trend for colored dials to have a matt finish on upscale watches. Also for textures to be used. The Code 11.59 dial is very smooth and glossy and lacks a guilloche pattern, and the big chapter ring almost looks like plastic. This is very uncharacteristic of AP and similar watches. I think that is why people call it “cheap looking.” A better approach may have been to have the dial mirror the sides of the case, by echoing the cutouts on the indices, like with Panerai. Or perhaps use the instantly recognizable guilloche pattern of the Oak to give it a stronger connection to the brand.
This is a very interesting read! Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts with us! This should start a broad discussion now... Unfortunately RUclips is not the best platform for this... I still hope many here read it and jump right in... I want to wait before sharing my today's point of view ...
You have a great many good points. As a loyal Piaget enthusiast for over 40 years, I own the old Polo. In my view, the relaunch of the line with stainless steel was a positive move. Piaget has always catered to ultra thin movement aficionados, and bejeweled watches for the ladies. The new polo was truly needed to round out the brand to attract a younger range of potential buyers. What most people do not know is that Piaget is a top-tier movement house since 1874. They only started casing and selling their own brand after WW2. Even PP and AP and many others put Piaget movements in their own proprietary cases. So much the better. Getting back to the relaunch, I would have made the new Polo dials slightly different so avoid confusion with Patek. Patek Phillipe certainly stands on its own as a paramount maker, as does Piaget.
@@alexp3752 Thank you for that compliment! I too am a Piaget fan. The original Polo was one of my favorites, and the only Piaget I ever owned. But times have changed. I agree that they needed to make its concept more relevant to today's buyers, and I think they largely achieved that. I think where they fell down was in the styling dept. I can't find one element from the original model. I don't have a problem with the dial so much as as the odd bezel shape and plain looking bracelet. The original's styling was harmonious and flowed together well but I find the new one disjointed. I tried to like it, but just couldn't!
The date window is poorly thought out and evidence of lazy design. Instead of throwing your hands up and asking how they could place the date anywhere else I'd suggest you look at the new Zeitwerk for an example of how things are thoughtfully and tastefully done. Case architecture and movement design is very good, its just the dial that kills the watch.
Shahwaiz Ahmed How can you compare the Zeitwerk with the new 11.95. By the way I have no problem with the date being positioned at 4 o’clock! I just recently bought a watch with such a date configuration...
Thank you for your honest opinion. I do not like the design of the dial and the date position. This at least I can say from the pictures. But will check out the watch at SIHH for sure.
HAY PARA MEJORAR! Sobre todo el Automático con esfera negra pues tiene poca visibilidad. El bisel es excesivamente delgado. La esfera, al reducirse el bisel, es enorme y desprovista como un desierto. La fecha debe estar al lado del 3, sin eliminar el número 3. La gran esfera del automático es insulsa, debe tener algún contraste, alguna tapicería o color en degradé que la haga más interesante, tal vez como el Bolshoi. La caja es excelente. Tal vez el cristal tan grueso oscurece la visibilidad de la esfera negra. El cronógrafo está bien. Aunque yo eliminaría el tachímetro que ya no tiene uso ni sentido mantener. El calendario perpetuo está muy bello. Es el mejor. No lo toquen. ¡Una vez hechas todas esas modificaciones al Automático, NO HABRÁ QUIEN SE RESISTA A ESTE RELOJ!
Here is the translation of Daniel's comment into English: ...
"THERE IS TO IMPROVE! Especially the Automatic with black dial because it has poor visibility. The bezel is excessively thin. The dial, as the bezel shrinks, is huge and devoid of desert. The date should be next to 3, without eliminating number 3. The large dial of the automatic is bland, it must have some contrast, some upholstery or a gradient color that makes it more interesting, perhaps like the Bolshoi. The box is excellent. Perhaps the thick glass obscures the visibility of the black dial. The chronograph is fine. Although I would eliminate the tachometer that no longer has use or sense to maintain. The perpetual calendar is very beautiful. Is the best. Don't touch it. Once all these modifications have been made to the Automatic, THERE WILL BE NO RESISTANT TO THIS WATCH!"...
Daniel, thanks for sharing your thoughts with us!
I tried these watches on in person, and I still dislike them, the dial is just not ok imo. The problem is that you have to explain the engineering for someone to appreciate it...a watch should speak for itself!
Henri van den Idsert What exactly do you have to explain to someone? What do you mean with the engineering? I am just curious to understand how you discovered the 11.59 in details... looking forward to read your explanations...
WatchAdvisor i was in the AP boutique in Geneva where I live. Got a brilliant explanation from a great sales lady called Mina - on the complexity of the case, the glass, complete with larger demos of those components to illustrate how innovative the design aspects are. How the casing mounts on top of each other, the convex/concave shape of the dial with thicker edges on the outside, how the open lugs are mounted as isolated pieces to the outer case (By the way this is not new despite the marketing - there is a S.T Dupond hyper dome that has these lugs as well). I was however, impressed by the casing, as well as the process they undertake to make the AP logo stand out from the dial (forgive my layman terminology, as I’m not an expert). But we moved on from the demonstration and I tried them on...my reaction was an immediate “no”. Nothing about the watch excited me anymore. To be honest the 11.59 was not the model I was after when I walked in the store, I love the new royal oak ST, so naturally was not excited about this. In my opinion, a classically styled watch like this should not be larger than 37-39mm, it just looks off, and then the white, flat, plastic dial on top of that really creates too much empty, unforgivable space. the darker dials are much more appealing imo. I don’t think this model will do well with younger consumers, and reading up on forums, including this one - many people have the same reaction I did. Having said that, the movement / case back is stunning, particularly on the chrono, which also features some innovations in the fly back mechanism. But again, this is something you don’t see...The price point is also major issue that makes it easier to dismiss the watch as unattractive, because let’s face it, for that price you have quite a few options on pieces that have ‘withstood the test of time’. In short, I don’t believe this watch will create any kind of hype, and the fact that AP is only producing 2000 a year alludes to the fact that they might be aware of this. I just hope they begin producing more ROs 15500ST, it’s the same movement, and they are so difficult to get at the moment.
Henri van den Idsert Thank you so much for this extensive and spontaneous review of the 11.59. I think you brought it to the point: The watch seems to please more an elder generation. That’s what I meanwhile heard a view times. This might also be the reason I like the watches. Readability is good and the design for me is refreshingly new and different. Maybe I have already seen to many RO and ROO in my life. I even posses one ROO. The 11.59 when I saw them the first time and when I recently saw them again still have this little extra appearance for me others don’t have. It will take some time until this particular design will make its way. In the watch industry we say every decade brings out one iconic design. This decade is the decade of the Octo Finissimo from Bulgari, maybe the next decade will be the one of the AP 11.59 ... Once again thank you for your feedback and good luck getting your desired AP RO ST...
Made my way to your video now as I'm tempted to get an almost new gold 11.59. Good value now compared to the ridiculous Royal Oak prices in the market these days.
Welcome to WatchAdvisor! Bravo! Let me know if you have any questions...
I went to an AP boutique in Dubai to check out the CODE watches, I’ve been presented with this whole line + two Tourbillons. I can honestly say that nothing, absolutely nothing about this watch felt cheap to me or Michael Kors ish as the jokes go. As I put it on my wrist it felt like an AP and I really love it.
Thank you for sharing your experience and thoughts with us. I don't need to point out here, that I do share this 100% with you ... The design will make its way. It will probably take a little bit longer, but it defentifely will ...
Since this video, I believe AP has come out with an Aventurine dial on the 11.59 which I like a lot.
Have you had the chance to see the 11.59 in real?
I have always liked odd ball watches from great watch companies. Waited almost 3 years, now I finally pulled the trigger on code 11.59 burgandy dial. However, I bought it in the grey market for about $23k. Probably, the best value watch I own. Love the watch, however, I love it more when its 30% MSRP. Great video.
Congratulations! Bravo! May your AP always always show you happy seconds, minutes and hours!
The marvelous perpetual calendar with aventurine dial for me, please! I mean wow!!!
Not a fan of the lacquered dials in the other models and the sense of emptiness but there are tons of possibilities with patterns on the dials to make them look more interesting perhaps. Huge potential with this new model. I like it.
Try to see the watches of the 11.59 collection in real and you will even like them more ...
@@WatchAdvisor yes, I will definitely try to see them in the flesh next week :-)
I love the code 11.59 . The whole collection speaks of elegance and beauty. It excites and stimulate the senses.
Thanks for sharing your impressions! Did you have the chance seeing the collection live yet?
I think the case, glass and movement are great. For me, the blue dial automatic is a winner, but I would prefer it on a black strap. I think the 1159 dials could be improved by complementing the characteristics the double curved glass provides. From what I have seen the experience with this glass is similar to looking through shallow crystal clear water at say a river bed. I think a dial with asymmetrical textures and color variations would work better than a glossy lacquered single color. Imagine that river bottom through clear water with pebbles, sand, moss or driftwood. These dial design cues would possibly work better to create the best dial design for this watch.
I get why people don't like the dials, they do remind me of designer watches. I like the calender one, but the rest don't look like anything special to me. I definitely appreciate the larger 41mm size. Being a big guy, it works for me. For the price though, not at all. I would expect something better
traveler last I have repeatedly written that one should have the watch on the wrist to either like or dislike it. Whenever you have the change put the AP 11.59 on that sought after little spot on your wrist and please let me know what you thought...
I hear and appreciate your Royal Oak comparaison at the end of the video, but Gerald Genta is what you are buying when you buy a Nautilus or a Royal Oak, and I'm afraid that with the Code 11.59 - at least from my perspective - the design is a miss. And yes AP's finishes are always sublime (the best when it comes to cases/bracelets/dials imo) so no it's by no means a "cheap" watch.
All in all, where Genta innovated, i feel like whoever is responsible for this design just put together a marketing report of watch trends between 2014 and 2019 into a renderer and the Code 11.59 poped out.
Yes, Genta designed some nice watches... The Nautilus is not among them. I don't like that design at all. The watch just is so popular because you can't buy it. Would the watch be available, I doubt so many would wear it and that there would be any hype at all... Just my two cents. I like the design of the Royal Oak and in my opinion the design of the 11.95 is not bad at all. It will make its way and clearly positions Audemars Piguet somewhere else than before, and I think this was part of the entire exercise ...
@@WatchAdvisor I do think Patek got a little out of hand with the modern Nautilus, but the 3700 is a beauty.
But i agree with what you said in the video, when comparing the Ingenieur to the Royal Oak (and even the nautilus) it is the brand's savoir faire that brings those designs to life, through the movement of course, but the extremly high tolerances when it comes to case/bracelet finishings and most importantly, through these incredible dials.
And yeah Genta did have some "questionable" designs with the Pasha and the Ellipse for instance.
Sitting at 41mm - and here is just my personal opinion - for this style of "large dress watches on a strap" i would rather go with an IWC 500107 or a JLC 1278420 which also happen to have precious metal variations.
But then again they might be so far ahead that we can't see yet how they anticipated the upcomming trends in the watch industry - but i somehow doubt it due to their heavy reliance on the Royal Oak line and the fact this piece has been designed (from what i have heard from the reportings - and it might be wrong) fully in house.
Impale Thank you for sharing your thoughts! I personally hope for AP that the new 11.59 will take some pressure from the Royal Oak. So far it was a risky decision to rely only on one icon. I would say it is probably better to have a second pilar in the pipeline. You never know ... Yes the 11.59 was designed in-house. I don’t think that a designer from outside would have done a better job. In the end the design had to please the management and owners and it did as we see... I believe in this revolution and I think the 11.95 will make its way. Already the amount of free advertising and promotion the 11.59 got so far is in fact a brilliant start for a new product. Everybody talks about the watch... positive or negative... but people talk and get involved... many other brands get not attention at all ... neither positive nor negative... When you had the chance to put a 11.95 on your wrist let me/us know what you think 🤔
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Alexander Linz ist super cool! Er verteidigt AP zu Recht. Allerdings verstehe ich auch wenn das Gehäuse auf den ersten Blick 1. zu normal bzw. nicht besonders genug aussieht und 2. deswegen auf den ersten Blick nichtssagend und billig wirkt. Besonders die ausgesparten Bandanstöße erinnern mich an Designs von sehr viel billigeren Uhren. Die Uhr ist Understatement und die Qualität liegt in den Details die man auf den zweiten Blick erkennt. Vielleicht ein zukünftiger Klassiker. Radikale Neuheiten brauchen immer ihre Zeit. Die neueste Seamaster Diver 300M wurde doch auch erst zerrissen und mittlerweile gefeiert.
Bruno Schoelkopf Die Zeit wird zeigen, ob die 11.95 die Herzen der AP Gemeinschaft erobern kann. Die Uhr ist jedenfalls sehr viel besser, als diejenigen behaupten die die Uhr noch nicht einmal in natura gesehen haben.
I haven’t seen them hands on, so I can’t comment on the watches. You make a fair point. Are the lugs really not attached to the bottom of the case?
The lugs are not attached, that's true... I am curious to read your comment when you saw them. Have fun with the first touch and feel ...
Nothing like being a watch enthusiast. Lots of emotion.
Very nice MVMT wacthes.
It is an interesting new direction. The watch itself looks quite large, so will likely appeal to those that prefer dress watches with a lot of presence. When something is as different as this design, of course it will be polarizing. Before I comment too much, I will reserve my opinion as you advise. But, I will say that the new movement looks very nice and much improved.
Dan Finch The AP 11.59 is the new design language of the brand. What I have heard so far the watches do sell well. I even saw the first on a wrist... so there we go, probably not as ugly as many here thought and for sure not a flop! New design always needs time to get accepted ....
Love the case but not the dial.
I think you can make a snap judgement of the overall look. Seeing this watch in the metal won’t change my opinion of the layout or lack of legibility. Sorry my friend but the backlash could be justified. AP’s CEO could lose his job over this bad launch.
All his points were very valid. I like the passion in his voice. It's like defending his child. Completely true about if Social media had existed with the release of the Royal Oak. I mean, non-watch people still think the Royal oak is ugly. I like this design. Just don't like the date at 4 'o' clock.
Michael Audemars Kors
Think first, then write. whoa whoa whoa...you just lost a lot of 'watch enthusiasts' there. But you also just gained one.
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A very bold and ambitious move following the Royal Oak. In life, one has to take risks to become and remain successful. Bravo.
The white face with gold numerals/markers... Exceptional!
You are in love with the technique. And I am too. But the dial does not work. Sorry. The chrono looks like a 100dol watch...
iloper Please go and are it in real in natural light conditions... I expect you then to change your mind...
I really like the case and lug design, and the crystal is absolutely amazing. But I do think the dials (and specifically the fonts) are a bit bland. I think if a lessor brand had launched these in steel, they would be a great hit. But maybe the expectations are just too high for a brand like AP, and the price points are too high for these watches, and that's what has led to the backlash
That applies only for the creamy white dial IMHO... in this combination there is space for improvements...
@@WatchAdvisor It's the fonts they used though - not the colours... the numbers do look a bit cheap and rushed
Thank you so much for this great video Alexander! What do you think about introduction of Code 11.59 Self winding (Time only model）in stainless steel with green dial (like AP RO Offshore boutique edition) ? If you have a chance to talk to Mr Bennahmias next time can you ask him about it? That lime green or toxic green would look cool and unique since white, black, blue are quite common.
Please see my answer at the other video ...
Thank you. I like the new design! Nicely done presenting AP.
This is what watchmaking is about. Evolve or be extinct. Case design is nothing I've seen before.
I didn't like the watch so far, however I do agree with you ... the watch community members need some time to digest the new ideas, concept and the message of watch. I have to see it in real to build my opinion about it.
According to AP CEO, it took them 7 years of R&D to develop this watch, so the one can't absorb the whole 7 years in just few seconds.
Moreover, the watch passion "syndrome" is an evolving thing, one day you don't like the watch, the day after it is your ultimate dream... you never know, maybe in a few years from now it will be the most wanted watch , or it will be just another watch in the product portfolio.
I would love to see it on a braclet rather than a leather strap.
Keep up the good work.. big fan of the channel.
Regards
MAN
amazing one to one! the case amazing and the movements to die for.. but the legibility? that is key for a watch in my opinion.. the white one looks great as is crisp and easy to read...again great video!
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and the positive feedback. Legibility has become an issue with almost all watches these days, especially when you need reading glasses as I do ....
I think this collection sucks, regardless of what you say. It's ergonomics are horrible with the barrel shape ,it dosn't slide under the shirt,and the dial layout is empty and not proportionate. I acknowledge the materials and the technics applied ,but as Winston Churchill would say : " No mater how brilliant the strategy one should always look at the results ". Off course tastes differ but this brand remains the Royal Oak brand ...
I think it is pretty nice, people tend to compare this piece to other ap models
You know when you're a member of the Swiss holy trinity, people expect things off you. You've made money off your reputation but what have you done to earn it? The fact that the only watch from ap that gets mention is the royal oak is everything. These watches are fine... But ap isn't breaking technical ground. Compare that to a brand doing everything right like lange. They could have coasted on the 1815 or datograph but no. They did the double split, a world first and still in a class of its own years later. Triple split a world first and in a class of its own. Rattrapante perpetual. Zeitwerk, a world first. Zeitwerk minute repeaters with a decimal minute repeater with the power actually coming from the mainspring? What? That's crazy... Turbograph. Lange time zone. Every year something new and updates on the old. There's a real sense of luxury and marvel there. Vc and Patek new offerings seem stale by comparison with less finishing. Lange meanwhile is single handedly making bedroom poster watches near every year. Ap in my mind is what happens when a brand just kind of gives up and coasts on reputation and a one hitter. These watches are cool. Beautiful even... But coming from grand complications level stuff they used to do it's just whatever.
I fully agree with you on A. Lange & Söhne. I expressed my admiration not only once in my videos. By the way: did you watch my video where I show the new Lange 1 Zeitzone with the black dial? Let me know what you think! Audemars Piguet could in fact do better and surprise us with something new and not only concept watches... The brand very much relies on its bestsellers ... The 11.59 will make its way, but it will take some time though. The potential at AP is there...
AP's RO have the most iconic designs: Fact
AP's movement are beautiful: Fact
AP's time accuracy are crap: Fact
11.59 movement and casing look astonishing more so than on pictures: Fact
11.59 _dial_ look crap and cheap: Fact
11.59 new movement accuracy... I guess we'll have to wait and see the reviews
In the end... if you like it, you can afford it and it doesn't bother you... buy it.
looks a lot better in the video here - production photos are always really hard to tell
MarkMash17 I will pass the compliment to my cameraman. He tried hard to show you guys the watch in an appropriate way...
yes AP should change the movement on the Royal Oak they look too small also the dark dials on the new watch lack contrast the case design and finishing is very nice I would like a folding clasp on the watch
Ok, I agree, the watch is pretty. But, what is it? It's not a dress watch (too big, futuristic and complicated case shape). It's not a sports watch (just 30m WR, precious metals, leather straps.)
It is the Audemars Piguet Code 11.59!
i like the case but the dial leaves me completely cold and looks cheap.
In my view the watch looks too big and too thick for a dress watch! On top of that the design of the dials seems in line with generic low cost mass produced watches for hipsters and draws no clues from the brands history and culture.
Giannis Nikolinakos I don’t think AP particularly conceived a dress watch... It’s the 11.95! A new watch that can be everything. Concerning the dial please have a look at the watch in real and you will think different. We tried to film the 11.95 as good as we could but still these pictures are not showing you everything. And you have to have the watch on your wrist... Then you will know ...
Thank you Alexander for giving us a honest opinion even if it’s not s popular opinion.
Time will tell who was right or who was wrong ...
Sorry but not buying anything you said about the look of the watches. When you see a Ferrari, you don’t have be inside of it to know that it’s beautiful, same with landscapes, people, etc. Why did AP insist to the press not to take pictures just of the dial of the watch anyway? For me that Dial it’s from a Michael Kors Watch. It’s lazy, without any imagination possible.
The machining of the movement, case and crystal can be agreed by all as excellent.
The fact remains, that dial in blue is unreadable. You cannot argue against that.
Many other watches from AAA brands on the market have the same problem and there is no shitstorm ... It is a general problem, that many dials do reflect too much light and therefore the readability of the time is not great.
9:21 Really hard to read. It seems like they didn't take into consideration how light and reflection works
I agree there is room for improvement! I’ve heard they have realized it and in the next models to come this should no longer be an issue...
I agree completely. The Royal Oak probably had a similar reaction
Thank you for sharing your opinion on this line of watches Alexander. Even before I came across your video, I had already formed my opinion on the release and found it extremely intriguing.
I agree with the majority that the 3-hander does not do much for me. But starting with the chronograph, to the perpetual calendar, to the tourbillon, to the skeleton and the sonnerrie, I think AP did a great job with the line overall. And I think the brand did very well with their strategy.
1. They introduced 3 new calibres with this release
2. They introduced a new case design that quite obviously appeals to the majority
3. They introduced a double curved cover to increase clarity, something that also seems ok to most
4. They are ready to roll the line out immediately with units available within the next few weeks.
To do all these things at the same time would not be possible if they did not plan it this way. So kudos to AP for having a lot of foresight and organization to make this happen.
AP is really known as a luxury line. And for such high-priced watches, I think one would really need to love everything about the watch to buy one. It is a bit unfortunate that the dial does not appeal to the majority. Because I think it takes away from all of the other things they achieved in this line. When the headlines could say that 3 new calibres, including the much awaited chronograph has finally come out, it might end up saying AP's dial could possibly sink the whole line. When the headlines could say AP pulls off major accomplishment by being able to roll out watches immediately after launch, it will say the line has more detractors than supporters. Even though the movements and other elements of the line will be lauded, 11.59 might end up not getting the credit it deserves.
I think AP did well to only produce 2,000 watches. I think these will still sell out to the minority who like them. If 11.59 does become a huge hit, AP should thank those early buyers by awarding them for their loyalty! If I had the money for it, I wouldn't mind having the black on gold chronograph or the aventurine perpetual calendar myself!
New AP design is certainly not ugly. But it does require getting accustomed to !
Look forward to the evolution of this line.
limyewheng Me too!
With this design, AP is absolutely distinguishing itself. Very elegant house, double curved dial - a very unique signature, distinction. It is a beautiful step up!
My favorite between those presented here, is the one with white dial and matte brass colored case.
More and more people seem to like the 11:59 design. Thats what I predicted when it was launched and heavily criticized. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us. Let me ask you one thing: Did you have the chance for a touch and feel yet?
My new wishlist.
Did you have the chance to see the 11.59 in real? I think if you already like the video, then you will be astonished how cool these watches are when you go for a go he & feel. Keep me posted!
I really like the case, REALLY like the case , my problem is the date location , but that is a personal choice . The dial is just too minimalistic for the black (the big empty space between the center and 6 (top heavy)) but the minute repeater looks more balanced. The white dial i like because it adds depth (or it can be easily seen) which adds a bit of busyness . Don't know if putting a simple AP instead of the whole name would balance it more . Maybe also faceted Pencil hands instead of needle hands (Personal choice again). The watch is OK , and i think that people expected more while the others are just riding the hate train , but for me the case is a winner . The chrono i find too busy , drop the date and it should be ok ........... and would make it easier to produce . Im sure they will sell , and the future iterations will be better (dials) . Did i say i like the case 😁I don't really look at AP as the Genta design is not my cup of tea, but it's refreshing to see AP trying something new .............this has a better case than the RO in my opinion
Very nice watches! 😍😍😍
I can imagine the prices!!????
Only an idiot would have anything bad to say about these beautiful masterpieces. Beautiful. Good job AP. Thanks.
Clear words! Love them! Is there any favorite among the new 11.59 models?
@@WatchAdvisor Chrono all day.
In my opinion, AP should design the watch from the outside. They should not design the machine first, then design the housing of the watch. It is the same as designing a car; do you think Rolls Royce design the interior first, then design the look of the car?
Alexander Tan Did you see the watch in real yet? I think just like a car you have to see the real thing. Pictures/videos won’t show you all ... Let me know when you saw the 11.59 and when you had it on your wrist what you think...
The case and lug design are simply spectacular. I see many iterations of dial designs, materials and complications. I think in its most simple form there’s an undefined appearance concerning the dial design that people are responding to. I rather like the three dial complication chronograph. This is twenty first century formal elegance.
Bruce, that’s the way to see the new 11.59 from Audemars Piguet! Twenty first century formal elegance. BRAVO! This design shocked the AP community and hopefully woke them up too... Only by daring you will be successful... of course the design will still need some to get accepted by more potential buyers and collectors, but I knew it from the beginning that it would become an iconic design one day... thanks for sharing your thoughts with us...
@@WatchAdvisor Thank you.
I have held the blue chronograph today. Entirely love it and am very tempted to buy it.
My words! You need to try the 11.59 on the wrist and you will like it... The new design needs more time to get accepted by a greater audience... you discovered it earlier... BRAVO! Keep us posted and let me know if you have questions...
@@WatchAdvisor I bought it yesterday at the boutique. It is so beautiful. Blue and white gold. One has to look at things with open mind and heart and think for oneself. I fell in love!
WOW! Congratulations! May your Audemars Piguet always show you HAPPY seconds, minutes and hours! Please share more feedback with us once you have worn your 11.59 for a while...
I agree 100%. IMO AP nailed it. These watches are simply beautiful.
like to read that!
Love the new series. Its AP’s way of saying “this is how its done” .
Its one of those, many people didn’t like it at first but now look its double/tripled in price.