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True, but the systems each of them play in are different. Steph's teammates are more willing to pass Steph the ball not only because he's a prolific scorer, but that Steph has far more experienced and talented teammates around him that can get him good looks. He'll get screen after screen, and then another screen before he has just enough space to shoot. Also when Klay and/or KD are on the floor it takes a lot of pressure off of Steph because defenders are less likely to double team him because then they'd most likely be leaving Klay or KD wide open somewhere. The Warriors system is just insanely proficient which is the reason they succeed. Both on a collective and individual levels. Where as Kyrie is pretty much the only guy on his team, possibly other than Tatum that can regularly create his own shot. The Celtics have good ball movement, but when Kyrie and his teammates aren't putting in the extra effort, especially effectively (not setting additional screens for example), they force bad shots or just move the ball around until they are forced to shoot it due to the shot clock. Plus when Kyrie has to dribble so much to score, going iso, it restrains the flow of their particular offense. Kyrie does make it look hard due to the system that he is in, but that's how he plays and he's pretty damn good at it. What many people do not realize is that Kyrie is not in as good of condition as he should be, or should I say needs to be.
Derek Lowery: I wasn't saying why, just that it's true. But you said that they each play in different systems. I think it's more that the systems are designed for the players they have. The Celtics played their system because that's how Kyrie wants to play or insists on playing. Completely different mindsets. The Warriors mindset is "Strength In Numbers" and Kyrie's is "Strength In Me".
@@b-radg916 You're alluding to what I said, but you get it. When you're mentored by Kobe (both Tatum and Kyrie), you're going to have that mindset. Kyrie has a long way to go before he's a real point guard.
Derek Lowery: Obviously, the point guard position has stretched and evolved over time, but if you think about the stereotypical definition, Kyrie *_ain't_* one!
Kyrie is my favorite but Steph really changed the game with his play style. Kyrie thrives in a more ball dominant offense where as Steph thrives in one where they move the ball more & look for the best shot. I’ll take Kyrie when it comes to ball handling & finishing but Stephs otherworldly shooting gives him the edge over any PG now. Not saying that he isn’t a great finisher tho.
Id say steph is a better finisher but we just dont see it as much anymore, in his mvp years he took it to the rim and could finish just as good as kyrie. The same i would say goes for his handle, he used to be so much more flashy and crafty dont get me wrong kyrie is a better ball handler but its closer than people think its just people dont see steph doing it as much anymore so they forget
the answer no I agree but I feel like even this video downplays Steph and fails to take into account the player he was in his MVP and earlier seasons. The Steph curry who would attack anyone in isolation and not only make it from deep but who was an elite midrange shooter, a more craftier dribble who froze his defender and a more crafty finisher than he is today
LeBeautiful Trae Young is gonna end up being a better shooter than curry. Curry is my fav player of all time, mainly because he’s an elite shooter and pisces like myself, but Trae already has certified deep range like curry... he nearly averaged 20 points his rookie season, and can arguably win ROY over Luka, but Trae isn’t the same type of player as curry so he might not break records, trae plays similar to kemba, but with better passing, trae is already a top 5 passer in the league not even debatable, watch his highlights, and he averaged 7 assists... SEVEN, come on now bro, and he’s a rookie? Completely insane
@@realtruth1448 Can't say that for sure. He undoubtedly has the potential, But Steph has shown he can be the center piece you build around and win 60-70 games with and win championships. Trae Young got big shoes to fill and it'll take a lot more than deep range to surpass Steph all-time..
Black Phillip Trae can pull it off bro, curry came into the league averaging 17 4 6 shooting 47% trae came in averaging 19 3 8 shooting 42 % lol I thought it was 7 assists.. making him seem worse than he is LMAO, come on bro, Trae rookie season is better than curry’s first 3 seasons in the league.... look it up yourself, Trae is gonna average a smooth 22-24 next season, and his 3rd season he’s gonna end up being top 5 PG
@@user-vv3zu1bo7n 2015, should've won overall vs Iggy. they did in 2015, 2019, Raptors peaked defensively and while there not a super team that was dealing with injuries, they had a loaded team with Vanfleet, Lowry, Leonard, Danny Green, Powell, Siakam, Ibaka, Gasol. None were injured besides Leonard who had tendonitis. GSW had Durant out, Klay out, Looney out, Iggy at 50% with his calf injury and Demarcus was out of shape and barely getting fit after his quad tear. Curry was literally pulling a Lebron 2015 with the injuries and they did not have depth from the bench. Congrats to Raps, no injuries and capitalize on jumping ahead and caught GSW with major injuries and never look back. That's why they are the champs. You got to respect Curry this finals that past, 6 games raps needed for an injured GSW.
@@user-vv3zu1bo7n Draymond did, but it worked out fine because both Durant (aside from career ending Achilles) and the warriors benefited from both. KD needed the warriors as much warriors needed KD. KD is their insurance for guaranteed rings and KD needed Curry, Klay, Draymond to help him get to the finals since he couldn't carry OKC since 2012 finals against MIA.
I think Steph scores easily because his team is sharing the ball more, in boston, Kyrie has the ball and first thing he does i Iso/ easy pass to a teammate. And beacuse steph is the best shooter in the history. That might be it
That's because of Steph's game that's why his game is more desirable to play with than Kyrie's If you switched Kyrie for Steph , Boston would beat Golden State
Systems don’t benefit scorers/superstars only role players who can’t create their own shot. It’s on the system to get them open..steph can score anywhere
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People always love the flashy players and think they're the best because of all the glitz, but its the basics that win those rings more. Awesome breakdown!
so long story short steph exerts more energy off ball and by relocating and kyrie exerts his by going iso, contact and tough finishes. this just shows how even such similar players work for their shots and puts a perspective on how unique the game of basketball is. it’s a joy to watch these two play.
Van Dave All he was doing was iso scoring and he was the main reason his team lost 4 straight games, Kyrie in that series was 102 field goal attempts and 101 points scored, I KNOW this is one series but Curry has being scoring when it has mattered and it was iso as well
people forget how good steph is as an iso scorer cause he hasnt done it as much since KD's arrival, just watch his mvp highlights and youll see he was every bit the scorer kyrie is in isolation
The fact that he always can give up the ball knowing he has a better scoring oppurtunities through cuts and screen. I feel that shooters who screen honestly benefit the most because they can get open three point shot looks better. shooter screens are the most dangerous in my opinion for setting picks.
@@MOGE_ not necessarily. mid range is harder to shoot esp considering it'll be highly contested. More lower bod strength and elevation is needed to hit tough jumper's inside the paint. And almost 90% of mid range shots will be contested. Kyrie is one of those very few players capable of doing this. Not very many guards in the league shoot the middy like Kyrie. Usually larger sf and sg's like kd, derozan, dbook and Middleton shoot it cause it's easier for them. Steph's one motion is not suitable for the midrange game hence the reason he resorts to driving to the bucket or working on scoop layups or floaters :)
Long story short: Playing with Curry is like partying for a whole year while Playing with Kyrie feels like you’re a janitor to clean up his mess when he messes up
Steph's ability to hit 3s consistently is one of the reasons. Another reason is the system of the team. Warriors love motion offense. Everyone is consistently moving, cutting, and setting off ball screen. Offense likes this usually benefits shooter the most. Steph doesn't need to run the show all the time. Everyone is always moving to create a good look for each other/shooters. On the other hand, Kyrie has a lot more load on him offensively. He is a ball dominant guard, but he could definitely could learn to play under the warriors system. Both of them are great players tho. Love em both!
Kyrie CHOOSES to have more load on him. The Celtics offense isn't supposed to be isolation. Brad Stevens wants his team to move the ball and be efficient. If you really want to find the difference between Steph and Kyrie, it's in the decision making.
Kerr needs more credit, his plays and team strategy laid the groundwork for all those threes and drives. Curry may be legendary, but its 50% screens and off ball movement. (And obviously a shoutout to the whole team)
How is this even an debate, Steph is by far the better player. Steph doesn't look for hard shots and isos because he realizes that getting a good shot would be more beneficial for his team. Steph is also similar to Shaq in a way where they draw so much attention from the defense that they create easy opportunities for their teammates. Honestly Steph might even be better then Kyrie at isos. He doesn't have the same handles or other worldly finishing That Kyrie has but because of his shooting defenders have to get so tight that it gives him easier blow by opportunities.!
Bruno Caboclo steph handles and finishing are easily as good as kyrie his handles are way more effective while kyrie is flashier and his finishing for someone whose 6’3 and not really athletic is spectacular
Shawn Valverde more like a logical person that criticizes someone else's game not out of malice but instead he thinks one player is better than another.
I'm from the "less is more" school of thought, and "get the best results with the least effort" camp as well. Watching Kyrie, while entertaining, is (for the most part) tiring. The way he whirls and steps away and whirls again is like watching the Tasmanian Devil from Looney Tunes chase his target.
Most videos like these are just the person's opinion, you actually broke it down perfectly. Good video. In my opinion Kyrie has a Kobe Bryant skill set with better handles but is shorter. Kobe could score without exerting alot of energy. Kyrie being a few inches shorter makes it hard for him to get that clean look whenever he wants so he uses more dribbles and finesse which looks great but isn't doing anything for his team mates
‘Currently’. That doesn’t change the fact that Kyrie is the most skilled offensive player in the league. The game is really mental rn, last year Ky had a great season.
Because as much as Steph keeps winning with he's team... when he plays against Kyrie you can't even say you will win the Matchup honestly those two is a real toss up head to head
I'm not even sure he's a pure PG. He's more like a SG that occasionally handles the ball with how much he plays off the ball. He's certainly top 3 all time PG
Kyrie has the greatest handles I’ve ever seen. But if I were a coach I would definitely not teach my players to play like him. Him doing all those unnecessary dribbles can be totally energy wasting. Curry has good ball handling skills but it’s nothing too flashy. It’s efficient and does just enough damage with at least half the energy.
Man thats a great look. I wonder what would it be if kyrie were coached by steve kerr or some other coach that would made him play less ISO-ball and look for more off ball oportunities
A I think he meant natural talent. Some players are just natural at playing the game and others get there through more practices and dedication. Think of someone like Kobe who most agree did not have the sort of natural talent that players like shaq had but got there through insane work ethic. I’m not sure if there is actually a distinction since all great players have to practice but in saying this is what HE was trying to say. That kyrie is more naturally talented player whereas steph is more calculated. though, as the video goes on to suggest, is the better player,
Steph could have developed his efficient playstyle because earlier in his career he was injury prone. Kyrie could get away with more physical contact due to his innate tenacity.
@@javerjimbau6309 What does innate tenacity have anything to do with injuries lmao, the injury is not psychological but physical. If you twist your ankle no amount of "innate tenacity" is going to make you better. Kobe was also a persistent iso player, played tough until his body gave up near his old age. Kyrie might just end up the same way if not earlier than Kobe.
Great breakdown. I believe that the fact that steph moves without the ball wayyy more than kyrie gets him so many wide open catch and shoot shots and where defenders have to close out which makes it easier to get to the bucket
Great video. If I remember correctly, Steph was coached to play like a classic off-ball shooting guard on offense by Steve Kerr. Mark Jackson was using him more like a traditional PG & expect him to run the entire offense (like CP3). It helps Steph that his entire team is built to maximize his talent. The team is full of great shooters (Klay, KD), passers (Green, Iggy), and athletic finishers/cutters (all the Hamptons 5) that open up Curry's entire game.
Steph is just better, Kyrie choked hard a whole series against the Bucks while Curry showed up big in game 5 and 6 when it mattered the most against harder competition
You not wrong, but this is Kyrie's first legit choke as the #1 option. While his method is harder and more energy consuming, he has shown that he can compete with even the likes of Curry on the same lvl.
@@claycox1829 Kyrie choked both series he played as number 1 option, while curry carried his team to 2 consecutive finals appearances as the number 1 option. its as simple as that kid.
I would argue that the energy exersion is near enough the same, curry does not stop moving until he manifests good looks - hence 40% of shots with 0 dribbles required - kyrie on the other hand really thrives off the pick and iso, so whilst their styles are different, their individual styles are exhausting
I notice that you left out the fact that Curry has Durant and Klay, two great shooters, on either side of him which prevents the defense from overloading to him. Something Kyrie doesn't have.
@@RumbleFighterSolid On losing teams where his numbers had absolutely no impact on winning. Empty numbers... He also averaged 8.5 pts, 6.8 rbs on 36% shooting when the Cavs won the title. He's not a factor on a good team.
@@anirudhnataraj3729 I don't know if this is a true statement but I'll just leave it here...."Anonymous Celtics Player Roasts Kyrie Irving: “He’s Hard To Play With”"
Kyrie plays the same way Harden and LeBron play, whereby their success comes at the expense of others. Steph plays in a way where everyone gets better playing with him, even though the stats don't show it.
lol these comments. I think many are missing the point: BOTH players are amazing and all-time great talents, this wasn't to shade one player over another like many of you are attempting to do. They have different skill sets, different talents, and different playstyles.
It's not that Curry gives up the ball and 'trusts' he will get it back, it' that it is an integral part of the Warrior motion offense that his teammates will move to get out of his way and draw their defenders with them and while they look for Steph. It's the beauty of Warrior basketball. Someone will say 'Steph single handedly took over the 4th quarter', but if you watch the highlight closely the whole Warrior team is shifting and moving while Steph is moving for that pass back to him. That game 6 -4th quarter against the Rockets was a thing of beauty. While Draymond is doing a pick and roll on the right side Jerebko and Cook are running screens against their defenders and moving around but not messing up good spacing. Steph is the perfect guy for the system he is in.
How much you drive for 2 or just shoot for 3 would depend on team/game strategy. Coaches and players have to know the matchups and who is shooting well and how the defense is shifted to take away X, giving you Y. If your favorite strategy wins, then great. But, if the other side adjusts, you have to know what you can do to overcome that. It pays to have players who can adjust in multiple ways!
This is another great breakdown video. I was wondering could you guys do a one for point Guard that was something of a precursor to Steph and Kyrie in Stephon Marbury. Would really love a attention to detail breakdown of the Coney Island Point Guard's whole game. Thanks for the great vids!!! Great Work!!!
To me this seems to be the reason IT scored more in Brad Stevens offense. Kept his game simple, great off the ball. When Kyrie initially got traded to the C’s thought he was gonna average 30
Irving is a very efficient player in his own right. Curry is one of the best offensive players ever. But Irving just averaged 24 ppg on 48/40/87 shooting splits. Reading the comments and seeing people act like he's trash is frustrating. Also, he had a higher assist rate than Curry, Paul, Harden, Lillard, Kemba, and Simmons. So people need to quit acting like he's not a point guard.
FACTS Kyrie had a career year leading the Celtics and they had their own injury problems throughout the year too. Big egos from the young guys after last postseason really got to them after game 3 in Boston. Such a shame, they actually played best when Kyrie was averaging 20pts, 11ast
@@shauryanathanmathur4294 Thank you. Twitter, especially, is an infuriating place to be for a Kyrie fan like myself. I would like him to stay in Boston because I think it's the best situation going forward, but seeing how the fanbase talks about him I half want him to leave. Was he the best leader? No. But there's blame to be passed around. The team isn't one guy. And whatever you think of his off-court comments, they were much better with him on the court by the numbers.
Huge Kyrie fan right here, but I do think Steph is significantly better. Here is what I think Curry is better at than Kyrie: 3s in general (catch and shoot, off the dribble etc.), defense (kyrie has good on ball defense but gets lost a lot), efficiency which stems from the ability to shoot. Here what I think is comparable: passing (both have good passing game, Kyrie with more flare, but Steph with more willingness in a ball movement system at GSW). Lastly, what I think Kyrie is better than Curry at: Mid range (only because he takes more, efficiency wise, their quite similar), handling (Curry has amazing handles, but Kyrie is a just a little bit better e.g. 9/9.5 vs 10 out of 10), finishing at the rim/taking contact (Curry has great finishes, but Kyrie has that creativity advantage). Overall, I would take Curry to base my team around but I am still a hardcore Kyrie fan ahaha.
Matty Gee kyrie is the more talented and skilled scorer (currys crazy talented and skilled too) and I’d take kyrie iso over curry iso but if I wanna win I’d take curry over kyrie
Biggest Kyrie fan there is, hope he finds great success wherever he ends up next season, wish he would incorporate more Steph like things into his game, simple things like this video talked about could get him to that MVP level so lets see what happens
THANK YOU for posting this! You made this just when I'm trying to teach my son (@jnoza30 aka JE HIGHLIGHTS) on understanding how important it is to manage/sustain his energy for the full length of a game. He's a very passionate sophomore & this video makes this point bright for young players that need to understand this fact/aspect of the game📚✏🔒📈🎒🙏
The reason why Curry is always dropping players on their asses is because they’re always coming with one thing in mind “ he’s going to shoot” and when they’re coming to block a shot, there’s no balance and that’s when curry drives.
Curry is a point guard who doesn't need to dribble the ball to score 30, but he has top 5 handles in the league and is great at passing and isn't selfish. That's basically impossible to find in another player.
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Curry's passing and relocating is so impressive to me. That guy never stops moving.
Chandasouk it’s insane!
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I forgot exactly what it’s called but he does move around the most in the entire nba statistically
Steph makes the game look easy. Kyrie makes it look hard.
True, but the systems each of them play in are different.
Steph's teammates are more willing to pass Steph the ball not only because he's a prolific scorer, but that Steph has far more experienced and talented teammates around him that can get him good looks. He'll get screen after screen, and then another screen before he has just enough space to shoot. Also when Klay and/or KD are on the floor it takes a lot of pressure off of Steph because defenders are less likely to double team him because then they'd most likely be leaving Klay or KD wide open somewhere. The Warriors system is just insanely proficient which is the reason they succeed. Both on a collective and individual levels.
Where as Kyrie is pretty much the only guy on his team, possibly other than Tatum that can regularly create his own shot. The Celtics have good ball movement, but when Kyrie and his teammates aren't putting in the extra effort, especially effectively (not setting additional screens for example), they force bad shots or just move the ball around until they are forced to shoot it due to the shot clock. Plus when Kyrie has to dribble so much to score, going iso, it restrains the flow of their particular offense.
Kyrie does make it look hard due to the system that he is in, but that's how he plays and he's pretty damn good at it. What many people do not realize is that Kyrie is not in as good of condition as he should be, or should I say needs to be.
Derek Lowery: I wasn't saying why, just that it's true.
But you said that they each play in different systems. I think it's more that the systems are designed for the players they have. The Celtics played their system because that's how Kyrie wants to play or insists on playing. Completely different mindsets. The Warriors mindset is "Strength In Numbers" and Kyrie's is "Strength In Me".
@@b-radg916 You're alluding to what I said, but you get it.
When you're mentored by Kobe (both Tatum and Kyrie), you're going to have that mindset. Kyrie has a long way to go before he's a real point guard.
Derek Lowery: Obviously, the point guard position has stretched and evolved over time, but if you think about the stereotypical definition, Kyrie *_ain't_* one!
@@b-radg916 Very true. On occasion, maybe Kyle Lowry, John Wall and Mike Conley, but that's about its. Other than Chris Paul, there's really none.
He makes it look “Stephertless” as the TNT crew say
*stephortless
I was searching for this comment, I knew it would be in here.
Everyone except Barkley and his hating, donut munching ass
@@swaggy3987 lmao
@M fuck off already the last reply was a year ago
Kyrie is my favorite but Steph really changed the game with his play style. Kyrie thrives in a more ball dominant offense where as Steph thrives in one where they move the ball more & look for the best shot. I’ll take Kyrie when it comes to ball handling & finishing but Stephs otherworldly shooting gives him the edge over any PG now. Not saying that he isn’t a great finisher tho.
Id say steph is a better finisher but we just dont see it as much anymore, in his mvp years he took it to the rim and could finish just as good as kyrie. The same i would say goes for his handle, he used to be so much more flashy and crafty dont get me wrong kyrie is a better ball handler but its closer than people think its just people dont see steph doing it as much anymore so they forget
@@bilzkhan3029 ur clearly biased towards steph😂😂 kyrie is a better finisher and ball handler. Steph is better though
the answer no I agree but I feel like even this video downplays Steph and fails to take into account the player he was in his MVP and earlier seasons. The Steph curry who would attack anyone in isolation and not only make it from deep but who was an elite midrange shooter, a more craftier dribble who froze his defender and a more crafty finisher than he is today
@@bilzkhan3029 for me steph is still just as good as in mvp seasons its just that kd takes a part off his game away from him
the answer Steph is a better finisher better percentage and more attempts
He’s curry. Can shoot 3s over 40% off the dribble? Amazing
Man i an a Lebron hater but i like you
LeBeautiful Trae Young is gonna end up being a better shooter than curry. Curry is my fav player of all time, mainly because he’s an elite shooter and pisces like myself, but Trae already has certified deep range like curry... he nearly averaged 20 points his rookie season, and can arguably win ROY over Luka, but Trae isn’t the same type of player as curry so he might not break records, trae plays similar to kemba, but with better passing, trae is already a top 5 passer in the league not even debatable, watch his highlights, and he averaged 7 assists... SEVEN, come on now bro, and he’s a rookie? Completely insane
@@realtruth1448 Can't say that for sure. He undoubtedly has the potential, But Steph has shown he can be the center piece you build around and win 60-70 games with and win championships. Trae Young got big shoes to fill and it'll take a lot more than deep range to surpass Steph all-time..
Black Phillip Trae can pull it off bro, curry came into the league averaging 17 4 6 shooting 47% trae came in averaging 19 3 8 shooting 42 % lol I thought it was 7 assists.. making him seem worse than he is LMAO, come on bro, Trae rookie season is better than curry’s first 3 seasons in the league.... look it up yourself, Trae is gonna average a smooth 22-24 next season, and his 3rd season he’s gonna end up being top 5 PG
Black Phillip and he might even average a double double... 8 assists rookie season?
Currys gravity to attract the double is so strong that everyone thinks Kd is the best player on that team lol
\/ibestr I agree..
kd is on a whole nother level....
Fug otra here. KD without Curry with this warriors team is 1-15 since he joined the warriors and he had Klay and green . KD overrated and overhyped!!!
@@user-vv3zu1bo7n 2015, should've won overall vs Iggy. they did in 2015, 2019, Raptors peaked defensively and while there not a super team that was dealing with injuries, they had a loaded team with Vanfleet, Lowry, Leonard, Danny Green, Powell, Siakam, Ibaka, Gasol. None were injured besides Leonard who had tendonitis. GSW had Durant out, Klay out, Looney out, Iggy at 50% with his calf injury and Demarcus was out of shape and barely getting fit after his quad tear. Curry was literally pulling a Lebron 2015 with the injuries and they did not have depth from the bench. Congrats to Raps, no injuries and capitalize on jumping ahead and caught GSW with major injuries and never look back. That's why they are the champs. You got to respect Curry this finals that past, 6 games raps needed for an injured GSW.
@@user-vv3zu1bo7n Draymond did, but it worked out fine because both Durant (aside from career ending Achilles) and the warriors benefited from both. KD needed the warriors as much warriors needed KD. KD is their insurance for guaranteed rings and KD needed Curry, Klay, Draymond to help him get to the finals since he couldn't carry OKC since 2012 finals against MIA.
I think Steph scores easily because his team is sharing the ball more, in boston, Kyrie has the ball and first thing he does i Iso/ easy pass to a teammate. And beacuse steph is the best shooter in the history. That might be it
That's the point bro. Curry's all teammates are willing passers unlike Kyrie's.
Think It's cuz he a shooter the higher a person range or shooting consistently the less dribbled needed
That's because of Steph's game that's why his game is more desirable to play with than Kyrie's
If you switched Kyrie for Steph , Boston would beat Golden State
Systems don’t benefit scorers/superstars only role players who can’t create their own shot. It’s on the system to get them open..steph can score anywhere
Curry likes to make it simple while Irving likes it complicated..
This kind of channel is such a privilege to have as a resource.
By Any Means Basketball takes and illuminates accurate observations that most lucid sports fans have of basketball and proves them to be true in an unbiased manner. I feel as though this unemotional approach to factual analysis is largely missing in mainstream sports shows and the modern media as a whole. I really enjoy the calm presentation and pace of the videos.
Magnificent work as always, brother.
Appreciate that man! 🙏🏻🔬
By Any Means Basketball can you do a video like this on Michael Jordan
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agree
Try Thinking Basketball channel its even better
1 on 1 I have Kyrie by a bit but in a real basketball game of 5v5, Curry is way more dominant than Kyrie can ever be
Spot on.
Kyrie is a iso scoring
Facts
@@noluv_quan5233 kyrie iso kills the game he got low fg
What about the 2016 finals? 😂
People always love the flashy players and think they're the best because of all the glitz, but its the basics that win those rings more. Awesome breakdown!
Exactly, you can be flashy if you want but only do so after mastering the basic fundamentals.
🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️ Kyrie got rings too
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EXACTLY.
Teams win championships. Curry is a team player. I choose Curry. He is deadly at 3s. Never seen anything like it. Well, Klay maybe.
How bout korever?
@@loveofchristjesusholinessc8584 great, but not the same level as curry
@@loveofchristjesusholinessc8584 he is 3 and D, curry is elite pg
so long story short steph exerts more energy off ball and by relocating and kyrie exerts his by going iso, contact and tough finishes. this just shows how even such similar players work for their shots and puts a perspective on how unique the game of basketball is. it’s a joy to watch these two play.
Curry is better overall point guard while kyrie is better overall iso scorer
Van Dave All he was doing was iso scoring and he was the main reason his team lost 4 straight games, Kyrie in that series was 102 field goal attempts and 101 points scored, I KNOW this is one series but Curry has being scoring when it has mattered and it was iso as well
people forget how good steph is as an iso scorer cause he hasnt done it as much since KD's arrival, just watch his mvp highlights and youll see he was every bit the scorer kyrie is in isolation
Sorry but no lmaoo
CjStayGrinding watch his highlights then see
Hell fucking no !!!! He can’t do shit better than curry 😂😂😂😂😱🤥
What do y’all find most impressive about Steph? #AttentionToDetail🔬
The fact that he always can give up the ball knowing he has a better scoring oppurtunities through cuts and screen. I feel that shooters who screen honestly benefit the most because they can get open three point shot looks better. shooter screens are the most dangerous in my opinion for setting picks.
The biggest threat of Curry is his hability to move so quick when he doesn't have the ball
His shooting. I mean he is also a pretty clutch player
How he moves away from the ball to get open
That he hasn't missed a clutch free throw in the playoffs in 4 years
Kyrie's got the best handles in the game but Steph is just ultra-efficient
Steph is also a great midrange shooter way back on his rookie season
i mean if he can sink it 30ft out then surely he can do 18ft
@@MOGE_ not necessarily. mid range is harder to shoot esp considering it'll be highly contested. More lower bod strength and elevation is needed to hit tough jumper's inside the paint. And almost 90% of mid range shots will be contested. Kyrie is one of those very few players capable of doing this. Not very many guards in the league shoot the middy like Kyrie. Usually larger sf and sg's like kd, derozan, dbook and Middleton shoot it cause it's easier for them. Steph's one motion is not suitable for the midrange game hence the reason he resorts to driving to the bucket or working on scoop layups or floaters :)
@@teamirving.11Steph is automatic from mid range tho what you mean is kyrie shoots 2 motion shots when needed from mid range
@@sarsvfx yeah exactly my point. Steph has no jumpa in the middy lol. Can’t shoot two motion and resorts to alternative ways of scoring
Long story short:
Playing with Curry is like partying for a whole year while
Playing with Kyrie feels like you’re a janitor to clean up his mess when he messes up
damn straight
At the end of the day it's always a great game when these 2 go head to head.🏀🔥🔥
Steph's ability to hit 3s consistently is one of the reasons. Another reason is the system of the team. Warriors love motion offense. Everyone is consistently moving, cutting, and setting off ball screen. Offense likes this usually benefits shooter the most. Steph doesn't need to run the show all the time. Everyone is always moving to create a good look for each other/shooters.
On the other hand, Kyrie has a lot more load on him offensively. He is a ball dominant guard, but he could definitely could learn to play under the warriors system.
Both of them are great players tho. Love em both!
Kyrie CHOOSES to have more load on him. The Celtics offense isn't supposed to be isolation. Brad Stevens wants his team to move the ball and be efficient. If you really want to find the difference between Steph and Kyrie, it's in the decision making.
well.. he didnt in celtics system
AKFortyDevan have steph and kyrie switch teams steph won't get farther than kyrie with the celtics lol.
Ray Cutler sureeee
Shaun Boi you really think steph would get far with that celtics team?? Be honest
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Kerr needs more credit, his plays and team strategy laid the groundwork for all those threes and drives. Curry may be legendary, but its 50% screens and off ball movement. (And obviously a shoutout to the whole team)
Steph is the most complete offensive player, no one can shoot, finish, dribble, move off ball and pass like he can
I enjoy and appreciate Curry's game more.
@Shawn Valverde none of your business pussy
@@linhe6729 whoa language
How is this even an debate, Steph is by far the better player. Steph doesn't look for hard shots and isos because he realizes that getting a good shot would be more beneficial for his team. Steph is also similar to Shaq in a way where they draw so much attention from the defense that they create easy opportunities for their teammates. Honestly Steph might even be better then Kyrie at isos. He doesn't have the same handles or other worldly finishing That Kyrie has but because of his shooting defenders have to get so tight that it gives him easier blow by opportunities.!
Bruno Caboclo steph handles and finishing are easily as good as kyrie his handles are way more effective while kyrie is flashier and his finishing for someone whose 6’3 and not really athletic is spectacular
Bruno Caboclo spot on!
Shawn Valverde more like a logical person that criticizes someone else's game not out of malice but instead he thinks one player is better than another.
Kyrie is definitely better iso scorer.
Lol yeah steph better but when they matchup vs each other kyrie will win the matchup one of those wierd things
I'm from the "less is more" school of thought, and "get the best results with the least effort" camp as well. Watching Kyrie, while entertaining, is (for the most part) tiring. The way he whirls and steps away and whirls again is like watching the Tasmanian Devil from Looney Tunes chase his target.
Man, you know your stuff...keep it up!
Kyrie's world is flat, Steph's world is round.
Sorry, modern basketball is all about IQ
U know kyrie didnt really mean it right? Steph said the moon landing was not real, but he was joking.
@@ovosteph3244 Don't lie on Kyrie. The Earth is flat and stationary...
Kyrie's world is the court. Hence he thinks it is flat.
@@javerjimbau6309 Your world is the internet. Hence why you troll instead of build in the discussion...
YiFang Wooh More like Stephs team and coaching allows him to play better and more diversely than Kyrie, I think he just needs someone else to rely on
Doesn’t it also get influenced by GSW’s offensive scheme vs Boston’s?
Well done video. You should also do one to compare their defensive abilities, & this is where the huge difference is between the 2!
Steph is a two time mvp while kyrie has none of it. That speaks a lot. Debate closed.
@@userb72 cavs wouldn't have been in the finals without Kyrie either
Cosmin Czifra did you forget about last year?
@@cosminczifra2758 without kyrie they still made the playoffs so what is you saying? But no curry no playoffs for warriors or no finals
Cosmin Czifra dumbasss Lol lebron literally took the exact same team to the finals last year
Dominic dominic better than a one time sidekick in Kyrie lmao.
Most videos like these are just the person's opinion, you actually broke it down perfectly. Good video. In my opinion Kyrie has a Kobe Bryant skill set with better handles but is shorter. Kobe could score without exerting alot of energy. Kyrie being a few inches shorter makes it hard for him to get that clean look whenever he wants so he uses more dribbles and finesse which looks great but isn't doing anything for his team mates
You dropped the mic. STEPH >>> KYRIE.
Kyrie is great, but steph's on another level.
Kyrie should be compared to Kemba
w00t777 nah, Ky’s definitely on Curry’s level. His ability to finish in the paint (at 6’3”) is so far above any other PG’s
@@kevindibassinga Lillard is currently playing better than Kyrie and even he isn't on Curry's level...
‘Currently’. That doesn’t change the fact that Kyrie is the most skilled offensive player in the league. The game is really mental rn, last year Ky had a great season.
w00t777 he’s better than Curry so hush
Kevin D yeah and when both healthy they’re neck and neck. Curry’s still better...
Curry>>> kyrie
Idk why people think kyrie is better curry arguably the best point guard of all time
Brayan Bravo he isn’t the best pg ever not even close tbh
alex cruz what are ur facts to argue that? Not even a steph fan just curious
Because as much as Steph keeps winning with he's team... when he plays against Kyrie you can't even say you will win the Matchup honestly those two is a real toss up head to head
He’s already the second best point guard of all time and might finish as the best ever once he retires
I'm not even sure he's a pure PG. He's more like a SG that occasionally handles the ball with how much he plays off the ball. He's certainly top 3 all time PG
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Kyrie has the greatest handles I’ve ever seen. But if I were a coach I would definitely not teach my players to play like him. Him doing all those unnecessary dribbles can be totally energy wasting. Curry has good ball handling skills but it’s nothing too flashy. It’s efficient and does just enough damage with at least half the energy.
It's just not team ball. Uncle Drew is the ballpark.
Man thats a great look. I wonder what would it be if kyrie were coached by steve kerr or some other coach that would made him play less ISO-ball and look for more off ball oportunities
When I heard "Kyrie may have more talent" I was out
A I think he meant natural talent. Some players are just natural at playing the game and others get there through more practices and dedication. Think of someone like Kobe who most agree did not have the sort of natural talent that players like shaq had but got there through insane work ethic. I’m not sure if there is actually a distinction since all great players have to practice but in saying this is what HE was trying to say. That kyrie is more naturally talented player whereas steph is more calculated. though, as the video goes on to suggest, is the better player,
He's right kyrie has more aspects to his game but steph scores more with five threes compared to kyries five mid ranges think about it
Love the consistency!!!
Curry all day any day over kyrie. Kyrie style of play is not sustainable = injuries.
Steph could have developed his efficient playstyle because earlier in his career he was injury prone. Kyrie could get away with more physical contact due to his innate tenacity.
@@javerjimbau6309 What does innate tenacity have anything to do with injuries lmao, the injury is not psychological but physical. If you twist your ankle no amount of "innate tenacity" is going to make you better. Kobe was also a persistent iso player, played tough until his body gave up near his old age. Kyrie might just end up the same way if not earlier than Kobe.
Great breakdown. I believe that the fact that steph moves without the ball wayyy more than kyrie gets him so many wide open catch and shoot shots and where defenders have to close out which makes it easier to get to the bucket
Off the ball movement. Like you said he sets more screens and moves without the ball 10x more.
Great video. If I remember correctly, Steph was coached to play like a classic off-ball shooting guard on offense by Steve Kerr. Mark Jackson was using him more like a traditional PG & expect him to run the entire offense (like CP3). It helps Steph that his entire team is built to maximize his talent. The team is full of great shooters (Klay, KD), passers (Green, Iggy), and athletic finishers/cutters (all the Hamptons 5) that open up Curry's entire game.
Steph is just better, Kyrie choked hard a whole series against the Bucks while Curry showed up big in game 5 and 6 when it mattered the most against harder competition
You not wrong, but this is Kyrie's first legit choke as the #1 option. While his method is harder and more energy consuming, he has shown that he can compete with even the likes of Curry on the same lvl.
@@trollking4058 he didnt do good against pacers either he had 1 good game.
Curry choked a whole series against Kyrie when they blew a 3-1 lead and Kyrie outplayed Curry so what’s your point?
@@claycox1829 Kyrie choked both series he played as number 1 option, while curry carried his team to 2 consecutive finals appearances as the number 1 option. its as simple as that kid.
@@RumbleFighterSolid He did do good against the Pacers. If anything, he had one bad game that series.
I would argue that the energy exersion is near enough the same, curry does not stop moving until he manifests good looks - hence 40% of shots with 0 dribbles required - kyrie on the other hand really thrives off the pick and iso, so whilst their styles are different, their individual styles are exhausting
I notice that you left out the fact that Curry has Durant and Klay, two great shooters, on either side of him which prevents the defense from overloading to him. Something Kyrie doesn't have.
Curry averaged 30/7/5 on 50/45/90 with only klay. And you're forgetting kyrie also played with lebron and love. 0 excuses.
@@RumbleFighterSolid Kevin Love isn't in the same discussion with Klay and Durant. He isn't in any discussion, as a matter of fact.
@@thomascrowniii1693 Kevin love averaged 26/13/4 before joining the cavs.
@@RumbleFighterSolid On losing teams where his numbers had absolutely no impact on winning. Empty numbers...
He also averaged 8.5 pts, 6.8 rbs on 36% shooting when the Cavs won the title. He's not a factor on a good team.
@@thomascrowniii1693 he spaces the floor as a stretch big and allows lebron and kyrie to go inside at will. Just use your head for once.
A bunch of it is also just how good the warriors' motion offense is (scoring off-ball)
Moral of the story
Steph>Kyrie
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Kyrie will never surpass Steph if he can't control his ego.
Steph = unselfish player
Kyrie = selfish player
Shut up kyrie better
@@noluv_quan5233 sike lol L
“Selfish player” he’s had his best passing season in his career
@@anirudhnataraj3729 I don't know if this is a true statement but I'll just leave it here...."Anonymous Celtics Player Roasts Kyrie Irving: “He’s Hard To Play With”"
@@anirudhnataraj3729 huh? He actually said after losing to the bucks: "i shot 22 shots, i should have shot 30"
I love your videos bro, keep up the good work.
Kyrie plays the same way Harden and LeBron play, whereby their success comes at the expense of others.
Steph plays in a way where everyone gets better playing with him, even though the stats don't show it.
Off ball movement is how the warriors played and I honestly think is the best way to get the defenders
Steph is the greatest scoring point guard to ever play the game of basketball
It seems crazy when you first see it but when you really think about it, it's facts
That's not debatable. He scored 30ppg on 67TS% in 15-16, that's one of the best scoring seasons of all time, period.
Best shooting not best scoring.
@@brendanbloom3366 name a point guard that scores better
@@hassanhaulcy zeke west kyrie
lol these comments. I think many are missing the point: BOTH players are amazing and all-time great talents, this wasn't to shade one player over another like many of you are attempting to do.
They have different skill sets, different talents, and different playstyles.
KingAkintoba FACTS!
Because they have 5 all-stars
Things said by haters who doesn't even watch how steph run plays and how he move without the ball
To be fair his movement without the ball is greatly assisted by the fact that they have 2-3 (if boogie returns) dangerous shooters on the perimeter
Facts: They have 3 self-made GSW all-stars. At least give them that.
Paper Towel Boy look at now
great bball nerdout - watching it twice for notes, you da man.
Some suggestions
Magic Johnson attentionto detail
Larry Bird Attention to detail
Chris lykes breakdown
Setting picks helps you create space and keeps your defender off balance. Anyone defending Curry is always guessing what the next move will be.
Kyrie ain’t no all time great
Well done video sir
Very nice and indepth analysis bro! Kudos!
That 2k edit was nice! 😎
Man kyrie has good handles..but curry just does everything so smooth man it unbelievable how easy he makes it look
Nice vid bro🙌
Great analysis! When it comes down to it, most things come down to efficiency.
New vid let’s go!
Thanks for this vid I’m an 8th grade star coming out of a shadow and I’m working on how to get best of both worlds with these two amazing olayers
It's not that Curry gives up the ball and 'trusts' he will get it back, it' that it is an integral part of the Warrior motion offense that his teammates will move to get out of his way and draw their defenders with them and while they look for Steph. It's the beauty of Warrior basketball. Someone will say 'Steph single handedly took over the 4th quarter', but if you watch the highlight closely the whole Warrior team is shifting and moving while Steph is moving for that pass back to him. That game 6 -4th quarter against the Rockets was a thing of beauty. While Draymond is doing a pick and roll on the right side Jerebko and Cook are running screens against their defenders and moving around but not messing up good spacing. Steph is the perfect guy for the system he is in.
Should do a Dame vs Steph breakdown overall game
How much you drive for 2 or just shoot for 3 would depend on team/game strategy. Coaches and players have to know the matchups and who is shooting well and how the defense is shifted to take away X, giving you Y. If your favorite strategy wins, then great. But, if the other side adjusts, you have to know what you can do to overcome that. It pays to have players who can adjust in multiple ways!
This is another great breakdown video. I was wondering could you guys do a one for point Guard that was something of a precursor to Steph and Kyrie in Stephon Marbury. Would really love a attention to detail breakdown of the Coney Island Point Guard's whole game.
Thanks for the great vids!!! Great Work!!!
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after the game winner, you should make a video about the mechanics of kawhi’s fadeaway
I thing that shots mechanics where shoot and pray
This entire video is beautiful
Great vid bro
I like your anatomy of this very good work dear keep up the good work people see a lot of things you see very well of Steph 👍
Steph for sure,but i dont know why i dont like the shooting gesture of steph but he shoots well
To me this seems to be the reason IT scored more in Brad Stevens offense. Kept his game simple, great off the ball. When Kyrie initially got traded to the C’s thought he was gonna average 30
That’s on kyrie everybody assumed that. He tried to become a playmaker instead of becoming this generations a.i
Irving is a very efficient player in his own right. Curry is one of the best offensive players ever. But Irving just averaged 24 ppg on 48/40/87 shooting splits. Reading the comments and seeing people act like he's trash is frustrating.
Also, he had a higher assist rate than Curry, Paul, Harden, Lillard, Kemba, and Simmons. So people need to quit acting like he's not a point guard.
FACTS
Kyrie had a career year leading the Celtics and they had their own injury problems throughout the year too. Big egos from the young guys after last postseason really got to them after game 3 in Boston. Such a shame, they actually played best when Kyrie was averaging 20pts, 11ast
@@shauryanathanmathur4294 Thank you. Twitter, especially, is an infuriating place to be for a Kyrie fan like myself. I would like him to stay in Boston because I think it's the best situation going forward, but seeing how the fanbase talks about him I half want him to leave. Was he the best leader? No. But there's blame to be passed around. The team isn't one guy. And whatever you think of his off-court comments, they were much better with him on the court by the numbers.
This actually helped alot thanks man
The perfect PG!
Steph shooting ability
Kyrie handle & finishing ability
Westbrook athleticism
Chris Paul IQ
Dame Leadership
Great video illustrating a great point
Great Video!!!
Huge Kyrie fan right here, but I do think Steph is significantly better. Here is what I think Curry is better at than Kyrie: 3s in general (catch and shoot, off the dribble etc.), defense (kyrie has good on ball defense but gets lost a lot), efficiency which stems from the ability to shoot.
Here what I think is comparable: passing (both have good passing game, Kyrie with more flare, but Steph with more willingness in a ball movement system at GSW). Lastly, what I think Kyrie is better than Curry at: Mid range (only because he takes more, efficiency wise, their quite similar), handling (Curry has amazing handles, but Kyrie is a just a little bit better e.g. 9/9.5 vs 10 out of 10), finishing at the rim/taking contact (Curry has great finishes, but Kyrie has that creativity advantage). Overall, I would take Curry to base my team around but I am still a hardcore Kyrie fan ahaha.
Matty Gee kyrie is the more talented and skilled scorer (currys crazy talented and skilled too) and I’d take kyrie iso over curry iso but if I wanna win I’d take curry over kyrie
Biggest Kyrie fan there is, hope he finds great success wherever he ends up next season, wish he would incorporate more Steph like things into his game, simple things like this video talked about could get him to that MVP level so lets see what happens
Curry is the ultimate team player who is unselfish. Kyrie fantastic highlight reel with acrobatic layups and dribbles
About time you talk during your videos
Excellent analysis ✨
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2:18 w8, there are stats for contested shots? I mean what makes a shot contested? Or he made the numbers up?
The only reason people think kyrie is better than steph is because he has flashy handles.
Beautiful other then perfect breakdown
Hey guys can you breakdown a bodyweight or exercises program for basketball players? Like with sets and reps.
The reason why Curry is always dropping players on their asses is because they’re always coming with one thing in mind “ he’s going to shoot” and when they’re coming to block a shot, there’s no balance and that’s when curry drives.
Great vid
Curry is a point guard who doesn't need to dribble the ball to score 30, but he has top 5 handles in the league and is great at passing and isn't selfish. That's basically impossible to find in another player.