Why Enner Valencia's goal was disallowed: VAR Offside | Qatar 0-2 Ecuador (FIFA World Cup 2022)
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- Опубликовано: 19 ноя 2022
- What looked an extremely dodgy refereeing decision at first glance, was actually the correct call. #worldcup2022 #offside #var
Here is why: Offside in the build-up to the goal.
Timeline of events:
1. Ecuador take a deep free kick. Every player is on-side.
2. The Qatari goalkeeper contests the ball, with Ecuadorian player Félix Torres (number 2) also making contact with the ball. At this moment, Ecuador's Michael Estrada (number 11) is offside... his leg is beyond the 2nd last defender (the defender behind him, seen in thumbnail). The Qatari goalkeeper is actually the 3rd last defender.*
3. The ball bounces.
4. Michael Estrada heads the ball to Félix Torres. Offside must be called, Estrada was offside when his teammate last played the ball.
5. Félix Torres volleys the ball towards goal.
6. Enner Valencia scores with a header.
*Proof: DaleJohnsonESPN/s...
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1. Ecuador take a deep free kick. Every player is on-side.
2. The Qatari goalkeeper contests the ball, with Ecuadorian player Félix Torres (number 2) also making contact with the ball. At this moment, Ecuador's Michael Estrada (number 11) is offside... his leg is beyond the 2nd last defender (the defender behind him, seen in thumbnail). The Qatari goalkeeper is actually the 3rd last defender.*
3. The ball bounces.
4. Michael Estrada heads the ball to Félix Torres. *Offside must be called, Estrada was offside when his teammate last played the ball.*
5. Félix Torres volleys the ball towards goal.
6. Enner Valencia scores with a header.
*Proof: twitter.com/DaleJohnsonESPN/status/1594625743442612225?t=paTtf0Sgg1uCXI8CgDTqng&s=19
This makes no sense.
The keeper is the first person to make contact with the ball.
Therefore that rules out any offensive player being offside.
Do you fully understand the offside rule?
You say the Qatari goalkeeper is the third last defender, but that isn't clear from the shots. The VAR graphic is a joke as it completely removes the goalkeeper who looks to me like he is the 2nd defender, not much use having a graphic where you remove the player that looks like he might be playing the guy onside and just use some other random defender as the only player you compare against.
Hey Popelazo, howcome people, you included, keeps forgetting, that the play starts at the freekick.
-No men offside during freekick!
-The player heading the ball can't play himself to offside, and he doesn't!
-There's three Q men under the ball and receiving offender during the second touch to the ball
-There's four Q men under the ball and receiving offender during the second header
-There's five Q men under the ball and receiving goal scorer during the bicycle pass.
This was the worst refereeing seen for a long long time.
@@johnkeane3946
"The keeper is the first person to make contact with the ball."
Doesn't' matter. After that ball hit the head of Ecuador player. It was clearly offside.
@@Chuyew The play doesn't start when the player touches the ball on the box, not the goalie, or the attacker! The play starts at the freekick when everyone is onside!
It was a goal. Should been counted.
U know, the GK in Quatar ran and tried to catch the ball so the lowest defender was considered to be a GK now. But Ecuadorian player had his one leg away from the halfway line so he was in the offside position. It makes sense that the goal was refused. I agree that situation was hard to see by human eyes, but this is World Cup.
No, it wasn't. You should learn some football rules if you want to judge it. LOL 😀
@@ondradvorak Take your own advice. Since when is offside determined by position when a defender touches the ball?
Since the beginning of the offside rule. The ball touching a defender doesn't matter if it's not a deliberate play from the defender.
@@dibyajyotilahiri2667 You're correct that when the defender makes a deliberate play on the ball, there is no violation if the ball goes to an attacker in an offside position. You're incorrect if you think that answers the question I posed. And if you think the goalkeeper in this case was not making a deliberate play on the ball, I don't know what to say.
It's 100% a goal no matter how many times you explain. It's not even close to being offside
How can he be offside when the first touch from Ecuador was made after the free kick. Yes he is in front but they were all onside when the kick was taken... He passes to his teammate who is onside and scores
@Khayelihle Nyawose
Offside was in different moment. GK hit the ball into #2 head, then ball hit the ground and player #11 passed the ball to #2. In 0:20 was pass to #11 player.
To explain this better because I finally understand it, right where they pause there are 3 people in the air contesting the ball: the keeper the defender and the Ecuadorian player (who is conveniently hidden in almost every view jersey number 2...this is what confused me the most). This is when the pass starts. The Ecuadorian player heads the ball straight up, then after it bounces back up #11 who is offsides heads the ball up and then #2 does the bicycle kick to pass.
I was confused because I thought the VR image with number 11 being offsides was the same person who contested the first header next to the goal keeper...it's not the same person there are two people right next to each other, #2 and #11 but the camera angles are so bad that we only see #11 until after everything happens.
I'm sick of these marginal calls. Next up, goal disallowed because several hair strands were offside
@Atharv
It was not marginal. It was pretty clear but from different camera angles.
@@Chuyew Argentina ones were bullshit
His fingernail was too long.
This is why offside is so controversial. The line between onside and offside is very thin and it's causing too many discrepancies.
no, may be you misunderstand, player 's body parts which not take part in a potential goal are not counted. It means the goal would still be accepted even if hair, arms are offside
The GK is the 2nd defender when the 1st header was won by an Ecuadorian player so a line needs to be drawn at GK's bum vs the 2nd Ecuadorian player's foot. The CGI image shown ignores the GK and compares the Ecuadorian player's foot vs a Qatari defender.
It needs to be drawn from the ball,if you're behind the ball as it's passed, you're onside
@BabsW
He wasn't there was another camera shot showing that GK was not 2 defender.
@@Chuyew Do you have a link to that video?
@@BabsW I cannot post. Yt is blocking this. It was on TVP Sport on twitter. There was a analyze from different camera angles.
When did offside count when the ball TOUCH the player?? Offside count when the ball is PLAYED!! Total Corruption 100%.
Frankly, I think the locals were doubly offended:
First, by the goal.
Then, about 30 seconds later, the Ecuadorian players formed a circle and gave a prayer of thanks. I think the sight of a Catholic prayer group, on their turf, was too much for the home supporters.
The pass in question here is the header after the cross. Not the cross itself. So it’s at that time that he is offside.
Just looked at it 5 times. Header….? They showed reply not Bc of the header (which was to himself, in the sequence maybe)? Anyways, are they working with only 3 cameras?! Big step to overturn the goal without showing better views. All in all, FIFA at its worst as per usual every World Cup.
@@mombaassa what does that matter?
When the ball had some chip on it.🙄😒
Gk is the second defender right but offside line is wrong. How is this possible in the world cup ? Terrible VAR...
프리킥 시작시점에서 오프사이드가아닌 헤더시점에 바로오른쪽선수가 발이 나와있는걸 잡은겁니다. 가려져서 안보이는것이어서 프리킥시에는 전혀문제가없어보여서 한참을 찾아보고 돌려보니 헤더시점 바로옆 겹쳐서 안보이는 선수가 발이나와있었습니다 헤더한 선수의 발이 아닙니다
I think you know how.
They got a special Offside setup installed, with a sensor in the ball, loads of cameras on every player. Gives the offside decision instantly, without referees checking the monitors for it and deciding themselves.
The offside pass wasn't the freekick, it was the header from #2 to #11, meaning the line was correct. It's not clear from this angle but strictly speaking it's offside.
Just to clarify, the goalkeeper was NOT the second to last defender. He was third to last defender. VAR pushed out the graphic and everyone is wondering why the goalie is not in it. The defender in the graphic is the actual second to last defender and that's where the offside line is drawn
Theres offside if the reciever stand in offside when the ball is passed, this never happened.
Michael Estrada was offside when the ball was *played* by Félix Torres (i.e. the header)
@@FuSoFo What are you talking about???
The offside should be called at the moment when the free ball is kicked , Not the time to receive it. This is the rule I was told 40 years ago, unless there’s any updates recently.
@@PiscafondsL The offside position is determined every time an attacking player plays the ball. The initial header (Ecuador number 2) after the free kick is not offside, no chance. It's the second header (Ecuador number 11) which was called offside.
@@FuSoFo even if that's true that's not what var showed, the player they claimed to be offside wasn't.
Now i finally get it (after looking at multiple other replays and angles).
What was confusing for me was that at the first header there were two ecudorian players pretty much at all the same spot, at least from the main angle. From this side I could never really understand who took the first/second header and where they came from. Only after seeing footage from the other side I was able to understand what was going on.
But the rear end of the goalie was on the same level as the strikers foot (And you can technically score a goal with your butt)
So no offside here.
Mate just check pics online or on Twitter with a different angle.....as a football fan how do you not know that offside lines are very difficult to see with the naked eye? This is like basic shit that people are confused about 🤦
@der suchende. When you don't know what you're talking about please don't comment . It clearly shows that the leg of the Ecuadorian attacker number 11 sticks out pass the last qatari defender (the qatari keeper) . The rule says any part of the body of the attacker ahead of the last defender is an offside. Therefore VAR made the correct call.
You are arguing about the wrong thing.
Where are the players standing as the ba is struck?
Your taking about their position when the ball is already in the air
@Diagonale supernova what 🤦♂️ offside is when the player is behind the line WHEN the ball is played, NOT when the ball is recieved
@@ossiia. The offside is not from the free kick it is from when the player challenges the keeper and the ball is headed upwards from the free kick. At that point when the Ecuadorian player challenges and touches it his teammate's foot is fractionally offside I believe. The VAR not showing the goalkeeper who looks like the 2nd defender or the player heading the ball so you can see the other striker is ahead of the ball and actually offside is comically inept though, why even bother with the graphic if it doesn't show all the relevant info.
The offside has to occur when the ball is kicked. When the ball was kicked, the Ecuadorean player was onside. The commentator even says this. The goalkeeper ran out to fist the ball away after the free kick was taken.
They’re not making sense.
The pass in question is not the cross from the foul. At that point, you're right, they're all onside.
The pass in question is the header from number 2 to number 11, after the cross.
Peter, why are you commenting on things you don't know nothing about LMFAO....
@@daniell9442 Error...hay un defendor mas atras que el arquero al momento de ese toque de cabeza que habilita a todo el mundo...vealo bien y vera que este offside esta mal aplicado y sacado de un sombrero...
@Daniel Valdez That’s because they did a very poor job of defining who was offside. Even during the broadcast they made it sound like the first header was the player who was offside.
Either way it was NOT clearly offside the player was offside by half of his foot.
@@cmavz3 hacen falta dos jugadores contrarios. La gente se confunde porque normalmente hay un portero atrás que cuenta como uno peor en este caso el portero se adelanta. Y solo queda un defensa.
Tu error es común porque la gente asume que el portero ya es uno.
Well this is lovely analysis but what happened to the phases of play?
The goalkeeper's ass was on the same level as the striker's foot 👀
Not same level but I'm sure it's closer to the offensive player's foot than the defender
But the keeper ran out to fist the ball after the free kick was taken. The attacker has to be in an offside position when the ball is kicked.
@@peterdallman4550 that's not entirely correct. Outside is calculated from last contact with the ball which in this case would be the header. So if the guy who received the header was offsides then that's the call. Positioning during the free kick does not matter at that point
Not just that..the keeper isn't even the one they used for reference in the 3d tech. They used the 3rd defender from Qatar 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@alonzoharris6424 Yeah. But the offside is checked when the ball is played not when the ball i received. Plus here the goalkeeper is making the first touch. So any pass from the opposite team is not considered an offside right? I am not sure about the rules
Please look at the two freeze frames you provided (or VAR provided). In the first freeze frame number 11 is not in the same position as the second frame. Look back at the original footage (or on the fox highlights) and watch where 11s foot is. He is not in the same post that you see the “offside leg”. I believe the leg you are looking at is number 2s leg, the very one who is challenging for the ball and therefore can’t be offside on his own touch.
In the first freeze frame you can see that 11 is a full step behind the play.
Not an offside.
It wasn’t offside. If you pause exactly when the goalie touches it the Ecuadorian player is onside. The second screenshot when the players leg is offside is a moment later when the ball is actually a few feet in the air over the goalie, the white is just the goalies gloves
@popezola the rule you are explaining does exist yes but it does not apply. The moment you are pausing is when the ball is already in the air at a couple of feet from the keeper.
The offside rule only applies to when the ball iss truck by the free kick taker.
At the point the freekicktaker strikes the ball with his foot, the Ecuadorian players are meteres away from being off side.
It baffles me how no one is talking about this
Read the description or pinned comment.
Okay so the ball from the keepers hand to the Ecuadorian player, is where you are claiming the offside?
@@johnkeane3946 That doesn't make sense either. As near as I can tell, here is what people must have come up with for offside, although I don't think the video is clear enough to support it, and certainly it's not what Popelazo Futbol is saying. (A) #2, challenging the keeper for the ball, actually hits it after the keeper (I don't think the video shows this, but it's not 100% clear) (B) #11 has a foot offside at the time #2 hit the ball (C) #11 is the next person to play the ball, after it comes down from #2 heading it. This would actually be an offside violation, but I don't think the video is nearly clear enough to overturn the call on the field.
@@FuSoFo Your explanation in the pinned comment is completely different from your explanation in the video.
@@Seytom Which part? The one mistake in the video is that the keeper is 3rd last defender, not 2nd. But that is not relevant to the offside moments.
people saying that’s no offside are just laughable. they’re “experts” who think they know everything but never touched a ball in their life
How can that be offside? Offside rule comes to play when the ball is PLAYED, not received
@@juanszelvach1505 The offside pass wasn't the freekick, it was the header from #2 to #11, meaning the line was correct. It's not clear from this angle but strictly speaking it's offside.
@@juanszelvach1505 my guy you have no idea. when #2 from ecuador touches the ball with the head #11 from ecuador is offside. the ball bounces, everybody misses it, and the NEXT player to touch it is #11 (not offside anymore, but he WAS when the ball was played) = offside call justified
Hay algo que yo no entiendo, quizás alguien pueda explicármelo. En la imagen del VAR se ve al arquero saltando junto a dos jugadores. Luego se quita la imagen del arquero y quedan los jugadores involucrados donde se ve el pie del jugador ecuatoriano adelantado. Si esto es así quiere decir que no se congeló la imagen al momento de partir el pase, sino cuando la pelota llegó a destino. Para ver si es off side o no, no se debería congelar la imagen al momento de partir el centro?
Y ay un defensor mas atras del arquero que habilita a todo el mundo...definitivamente no se que regla es la que se esta aplicando...Nadie, pero nadie estaba en offside en ningun momento del video...Mal arbitraje
@@cmavz3 explicó en el vídeo que la regla no aplica al último defensor, si no al segundo. Normalmente el último defensor es el arquero así que no damos cuenta de este regla. Entonces, ese man que parece que está habilitando a todo el mundo realmente no está habilitando a nadie. Te ayudaría a imaginar ese man por atrás como si fuera el arquero, y al arquero si fuera cualquier otro jugador. Así se aplica la regla.
@@cmavz3 ese jugador no cuenta
This guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about. No offside. When the ball was kicked, no one was offside; so exactly when did someone become offside after that?
There's literally a defender behind the goalie, is he invisible???
No, he is the last defender. Offside is determined by the 2nd last defender. Usually the goalkeeper is the last defender so this point is not mentioned.
@@FuSoFo ohhhh ok, makes sense now
@@FuSoFo Lol! Who exactly was offside? The most bogus call ever! What number does this supposed player wear?
I have a question. Why is not offside when a player passes the goalie then passes the ball forward to his teammate who is ahead of the goalie for his teammate to score the goal?
@@Rayunicorn1 #11 was offside when #2 headed the ball near the goalkeeper.
wait what. what logic is this.
IT doesn't matter where the goalie's position is , there is a defender behind the goalkeeper to make that entire part onside
100% not offside
It is offside 🤦♂️
@@SzefSztabuGeneralnegoPLAA its not mate... keeper isn't even on the 3d lol
@@User-gr8rq even if it was the keeper, it would still be offside, that guy's foot is ahead of both the red's leg and the keeper's ass
@@justin13601 it's not the header's foot, it's other player
@@riadinriadin2685 I didn't say it was the header's foot. The heading pass from #2 to #11 was the offside call. #11's foot was offside, with respect to both the keeper's ass and the qatari player on the 3D rendering.
Two points: First, the offside is determined when the ball is PLAYED, not when it is received. Second, a players position for determining offsides is his sternum, NOT the most forward part of his body(the protruding foot). Anyone backing up this decision has zero clue.
My man said sternum
@@FuSoFo Yes, the sternum. That is what is taught in the FIFA refereeing certification course, which I am guessing you have never attended.
@@Kreege right. But how many times do we see players called off by VAR with a leg or arm in an offside position. It happens a lot.
The horrible error is is that he was clearly onside when the ball was played.
@@Kreege correct, when the ball is played. When the ball is headed by Ecuador no2 then Ecuador no11 is offside. To be offside it’s any part of the body that can score a goal is closer to the goal than the second to last defender. Which not only includes the sternum but other body parts too (which I’m not going to list on here as a couple might get me band).
@@awwasson "To be offside it’s any part of the body that can score a goal is closer to the goal than the second to last defender." This is NOT true. it is the centerline of the body(IE the sternum) that is the determining factor of the player's position for offsides.
When did the rule change from when the ball was kicked is when you judge offside… I mean yeah when he makes contact with the ball he’s offside y a toe maybe, but when did it become the rule that you don’t go from when the ball was kicked??
Can you do the One from yesterday vs Netherlands
I agree that it didn’t look like an offside to me. And this video allegedly showing us what we missed and how it was offsides doesn’t show that at all. Very interesting that they’re pushing the narrative that it was clear. It wasn’t.
The video from the broadcast wasn't at all clear, the video and photos in this video aren't at all clear, but the video he eventually linked to in his pinned post is clear -- the keeper hit the ball, which then hit Felix Torres's(#2) head. His teammate's (#11) foot was offside at that point, and that teammate comes back and plays the ball. So it was a crazy play, and not at all clear from the original video, but they got the call right.
Nope. Definitely onside. Every player involved in the play was onside when the ball was played, therefore not offside.
The laws of the game dictate that it is an offence when the ball is played, not when the ball is received. Not sure how so many people are missing that, especially people making videos about it. Might wanna fact check first.
No there’s no offside this is insane I can’t believe ESPN and The Athletic released these articles wow. Unbelievable
There’s no way the goalkeeper doesn’t touch that ball when he’s still the last defender and that Ecuadorian is not behind his leg bro that’s crazy someone’s releasing doctored footage out there
@@TheGreenCouncil There is still another defender closer to the goal line that enable everybody. Doesn't matter what happened with the goalkeeper at all. That last defender enables all Ecuadorians
@@cmavz3 Indeed it makes offside impossible.
@@cmavz3 im trying to look at it from every angle bro supposedly they have this angle that shows he’s off when the other Ecuadorian heads it but no way that’s where they were all standing almost perfectly in line no way. Lol it’s onside
@@TheGreenCouncil Nope. There was a other camera view which showed Ecuador player was on the offside.
People that say that is offside should never watch football again
VAR checks the foot of the player who headed the ball....thats not quite right is it?
It looks like when the ball was hit with the head went in the direction of Ecuador's side , I don't see how did they not see that. No off side for me
I thought offside was from when the ball is PASSED, not when it is recieved?
I understand that his leg was in front of keeper when he headed it, but isn’t it suppose to be from the moment the guy kicked the ball from the free kick which obviously they were all onside, they stopped it when the ball was in mid air! 😂
yeah but the initial pass didnt go to the ecuador player the goalie got a hand to it which rules out that initial pass at that moment in time the player is off
@@eduardoesparza5147 What? When did that rule come in? That must be new for this WC.. Until now, if the ball comes off the goalkeepers hand, offside positions are not reset. It is taken from the last touch from your teammate.
@@eduardoesparza5147 you can’t be offside when the opposition is last to touch the ball unless you was offside at the initial pass and it was a deflection
@@RichardBlakey rule has been inplace for a while now
@@giovannit2k721 Has it? Not been in use in the Premier League, I don't think. I thought all associations had to use the same rules.
Of course it's rigged, they have "top technology" 12 cameras following the play, and they don't show us a different angle? Different angles will possibly show that the goalie made contact with the ball and, or the Ecuadorian player not offside.
No it wasn't, the player can stand where he wants as long as he's onside when the free kick was taken. Offside is when the ball is played, not received. Learn the rules my friend
ITS NOT OFFSIDE! When did the pass occurred? They never showed when the pass happened to the standing offside player. This WC writes CORRUPTION ALL OVER IT.
I think the new rule, the last defender is replaced as the goalkeeper, since the goalkeeper was already out.
lol so you're gonna tell me that player can also start using his hands or what?
This is BS even when that keeper is on the other side of the field it only takes one person to be between the final receiving end of a pass to lift offside and not two.
@CyphaBorg buddy, it's the 2nd to last defender. It's not a new rule. You have to have 2 opposing players between yourself and the goal when the ball is played
el tipico golero peligro... jaja
@Piano Africa
It's not a new rule. In 2010 the same was in RSA-Mexico match.
Its simply wrong...
VAR shows that the 1st recipient of the ball is offside which is wrong
Still after contact is made, (by the 1st recipient) the ball is played by another equadorian player (a typo overhead kick) before it is scored.
At the moment of scoring qatar players had already retracted playing valencia onside
OK OK I see where all the confusion is.. @0:38 It all depends if whether an Ecuadorian player touched the ball or not. If he didn't touch the ball then it's legal. You can't see it in this angle but there is an Ecuadorian player challenging for the ball against the keeper. if he did in fact touch the ball it's offside because the next player to touch the ball after that challenge is in the offside position. It REALLY depends if whether the man challenging the keeper actually touched ball or not.. but I don't think they're going to show that angle. They have hundreds of cameras to clear this mess up! But I do see how they are declaring it offisde.
the header wasn't the pass to Enner tho right?
Fair play it was offside looking at it again. They only showed the replay once in the game
Im no expert but it is WHEN the pass I s played there has to be at least two defenders between the offensive player and the goal ..as far as I can tell there are actually three defenders between the Ecuadoran and the goal!!
How is this offside? The ball had already been kicked a few seconds from the kicker. We are still calling it offside when the ball is already in the air???
This is wrong. You lost me at the header part. You should roll the tape slowly and explain. Don’t use stills. When the free kick was executed, nobody was offsides, the guy was good to head the ball, which he did. The ball then I believe bounced up to another player, who was nearby and was WELL onside and scissor kicked it to 13 who headed the ball in. 13 was never offside the moment the scissor kick was made as there was two players at the line I believe.
The header right before the scissor kick was offside. That player (number 11) was offside when the ball was last played (by number 2, right after the free kick). Everything else was not offside.
@@FuSoFo It was not an offside. He was passed 2nd last opponent(which was gk in this case), as they showed his leg, it's the same situation when 2 attacking players have only goalkeeper in front of them, they can pass to each other, there is no offside when both are behind a ball and in front of 2nd last opponent... They should draw an offside line with a Qatar keeper and show that receiving player was on offside in other to be offside, not show a player who made a pass... It's BS...
nope narrator is wrong ..heres why .its WHEN the ball is played there has to be two defenders between the offense and the goal it was NOT offsides
The ball is played three times after the free kick and before the header to goal. See the video description.
Let's think about the case of France vs Spain in the Nations League Final in 2021. The referees decided that Mbappe's wasn't at an offside position as they claimed Eric Garcia had attempted to play the ball before Mbappe got it and scored.
When the Qatar goalkeeper went out and tried to grab the ball in the air, if such motion and his touch were also decided to be his attempt to play the ball, whether Ecuador player No.11's foot was ahead of the 2nd last defender had no relevance, shouldn't the ensued cross and header be an onside goal?
The claim is that an Ecuadorian player (#2) touched the ball at the same time as the Qatar goalkeeper. This was not the case in France vs. Spain 2021.
Seriously just ignoring that guy behind the line has to be the most delusional call ever.
as per the rules, if an off-side player does not touch the ball, its not offside.
You guys have to be joking right?
You really think that last defender behind him does not lift offside?
So it would need 2 players you say? so how do you explain it only needing one between the goalkeeper when he's in his box?
This explanation makes no sense.
No, the replays clearly show Ecuadorian no. 11 was not beyond the Ecuadorian #2 (not even close) from all angles in the telecast, so no offside. It is only after the VAR (which is a cartoon outline to represent the players and a supposed chip for the ball) which was obviously manipulated. Not like FFL which shows actual videos. Bogus!
The question is who could've possibly noticed it originally? AI is the only possible answer, right?
Yes. There's a special sensor in the ball that gives instant offside decisions without the need for human involvement.
@ :32 it appears # 19 and the defender behind the goalie keep the Ecuadorian player onside
Can you explain in English how it is offside????
Please read the offside rule again…..you are not offside when you touch the ball🙈 it’s when the ball is played and you are ahead of the last defender….incorrect call
How can it be offside if it comes from GK hands??
His explanation makes no sense. There's a qatari player even behind the keeper. It's a GOAL. Corruption tried to manipulate the game early on.
*Can someone PLEASE throw FIFA out of the tournament?*
AFTER TWENTY MINUTES images were displayed showing FIFA disallowed the goal because somebody's knee was in front of somebody else's A GOOD FEW SECONDS AFTER the ball had actually been kicked.
Can someone explain why this is offside, while another Qatari player is behind the goalie?
Why can’t they make the offiside rule apply when the players full body surpass the last opponent’s body.
This is completely incorrect that still you showed the Ecuador player didnt touch the ball... it bounced the keeper then stepped back then the Ecuador player touched it.
Check description on this video.
Horrid mistake by the referees.
referees or VAR team?
This video is extremely unclear, is it possible you could show who touches the ball first the keeper or the Ecuadorian player
Nope. Incorrect. Defender is first defender then the goalkeeper.
Off side goals have broken many hearts in the history. This rule should be eliminated.
This fifa technology will def make justice for a lot of teams, I support this technology cause always the same teams get unfair advantages
Show the whole clip. When the foul is taken, every Ecuadorian is on side. The rule applies as to when the ball was moved towards the receiver and not when they receive it. The ball then bounced, eventually a scissor kick taken (when Valencia was on side), goal by the striker and it is ruled as offside? All hosts have since a long time now protected with the thought that if they exit early the seats may go empty.
After the free kick, there were two touches before the scissor kick. See the video description.
@@FuSoFo that is why I am asking you to show the whole clip. If you are beyond the second last player and pass backwards, should it be called offside?
@@robertidenya1432 Yes, the direction of pass is irrelevant. Difficult to show the whole clip due to copyright issues; it needs to be cut and annotated.
@@FuSoFo I went back to another clip and I finally saw it. Final verdict, offside!
Sorry but I don't think you know how the offside rule works. Opposition player behind the ball no offside
How is everyone ignoring the player BEHIND the goalie who's making Valencia on-side by 2 meters though? I mean look at it? Who's behind the goalie with his foot almost on the 6m-line? Whereas Valencia, when the ball is headed towards him, is between the penalty spot and the 6m line (6m line is the inner area infront of goal). Was he photoshopped out when VAR got this!? He enables all plays, by several meters. Not even anything to discuss imo. HOW is this ever offside!?
@UCi72tYBuZhy8V9qwA-Effng Whilst watching the game I was thinking the same as "Toni Radanov". I did not know about this particular off-side rule. Now that I know about it, as you say, an impressive call by the VAR referees.
ESPN editor, Johnson, explains that because the ball came off Ecuador defender Felix Torres and was immediately picked up by team-mate Michael Estrada, whose knee was in an offside position, the call was the correct one. This is because Al Sheeb came out to claim the cross, leaving just one defender behind the goalkeeper - which is classed as offside. Estrada then headed the ball back to Torres, who floated in a delightful cross for Valencia to head home. However, Estrada's involvement is why the goal was disallowed.
To anyone who still don't understand how it work watch *kepa offside trap move*
Guessing linesman made a call it's high kick not offsides... Ref usually make those valls
And all these years I thought I knew football
This just shows that most people don't really understand the offside rule 🗿
Easily to understand. Look at min 0.28 of this video. There you can noticed at least 2 Qatari players behind the central Ecuadorian striker. Even the Qatari defender who jumps to the ball next to the GK seems to be the third player behind the striker. So explain the rule please if I am wrong mistaken. The shown situation with the leg is a total different situation
@@denniskylau6375 It's just a camera angle. He was on offside.
This dude doesn’t know how the offside rule works.
It offside after the ball bound but the ball bound like 3 time isn't it turn into not offside. Technically it not offside when the freekick kick but it when the goalkeeper bound the ball but the ball keep bound to go there until goalkeeper already step back and those 2 defender to and it happen before the ball was pass to him. Valencia is not offside on that One.
By definition it's correct, it's offside. We are just not use to this accurate Systems judging football. I think I like the game becoming more fair, but you also have to do something about all these players falling and cheating.
Its when the pass was made. Not when the player received the ball. Goal!
Still searching for the video that shows that the goalie DID NOT touch the ball
Goalie touched the ball but the ball touched also a head #2 Ecuador player.
I still don’t see how this is the correct call… seems like a bs call to protect the host nation
But it doesn’t matter that he was offside when he touched it because he was on when it was played to him…
The var shows the player clearly in an offside position. But 0.5 seconds after the pass was made. It is an absolite scandal. The police should investigate rhe payments made into the officials accounts. Thjs is fifas way to manipulate matches. We need the big football nations to wihdraw from fifa and make there own world federation.
going by that I have the goalkeeper as third last defender
So the goalkeeper's error causes the offside? that should be judged as a deliberate pass and not give offside because basically it rewards that the goalie screwed up
No offside. Corruption at its finest.
Get a grip mate, stop blaming everything on corruption and learn the rules.
@@justin13601 what rules man
This was no offside VAR is trash.
@@sy7692 Rather than just being braindead and saying VAR is trash, enlighten me on how this is not an offside.
Completely inaccurate. The rule is to be offside when the pass is made. Not when you contact said pass. Learn the rule please. Don't swallow what they're selling.
Apologies if it wasn't clear in the video, but there are three more plays of the ball after the free kick and before the header on goal. See video description.
I think football would benefit if they modified the offside rule. The way it's always been favors defense and leads to controversy. They should only consider a player offside if there's a visible gap between torsos. If the players "overlap" no offside should be called. Who wants to see a goal disallowed because of protruding foot? In a way it would be similar to how we require the ball to fully cross the line.
How would you determine how big a gap is acceptable? It's difficult.
@@FuSoFo I think some sensible variation of that idea would be possible but of course I recognize that the rule must (among other things) take into account the referee's ability to quickly judge the situation. On the other hand, even spotting a protruding foot is difficult.
@@baze3SC This offside would never be called without VAR. But the reverse is also true. South Korea goal against Germany in 2018, could only be confirmed with VAR.
What ever that gap would be it's very time consuming to measure that distance. What I would suggest is as long as there is a overlap of playable body parts then it's not offside, this would also favor attacking play as the attackers can start their run earlier and only have their trailing leg be in line with the defender
Dispute between Qatar fan and Ecuador fan
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The keeper backside is playing the strike on…no lines can prove that as offside
This vat offside decision is too techincal and accurate . It wont be fun
They show You one hundred diferent angles of every play but the here i'm the camera we can't Even tell if the gk touch the ball first
Two Qatari players behind the ball this shouldn't of been a offsides.... Not on that play or the play before since when did the rules change ??? Your second frame is photoshopped or edited the play didn't happens like that
The World Cup is a scandal already lol..also half of the audience left before the game was over 😢😅
From the freekick, all players are onside. That's where VAR fucked up.. my guess is VAR/FIFA are trying to avoid a Qatar imbarressment, as host nation 🤷
it's not about money Qatar, it's about playing the fucking game
you can't bribe CONMEBOL
My question is why is that a rule? So a keeper gets bailed out for making a mistake?
exactly my thought. the goalkeeper made a rookie mistake barely any other keeper playing in the world cup would have done.
Thus has been a rule for more than ten year so stop complaining 😴
Literally explained nothing, the supposed player offside didn’t even touch the ball. Just a terrible zero effort explanation
Are you blind? He touched the ball after ball hits the ground. Watch replay of this goal again.
BE call! So happy Ecuador won!
Offside. Only the VAR can catch these types of Offsides.
Naw no offside when the ball is played every Ecuadorian player is onside and that’s what matters when the ball is played not when you receive the ball the call was bs
The header. It’s when the Ecuador player heads the ball not when the free kick is taken.
@@awwasson So who exactly was offside? What’s the jersey number? A very bogus call. No one was offside.
@@Rayunicorn1 when the ball is played into the box Ecuador no.2 heads the ball, he is onside. However when the ball is headed Ecuador no.11 is offside (his leg). No.11 is the next to make contact with the ball so therefore it is offside.
@@awwasson what are you talking about the ball is played in from a free kick no one was offsides at any point here’s a better video ruclips.net/video/YNnyYQwC0qQ/видео.html
@@carlosmendez2591 have you read what I just wrote? It’s not when the free kick is taken. It’s when Ecuador no2 heads the ball no11 is offside.
As you can see on 00:20 the player that you say is offside is the same that do de pass. The other one which make the next pass is behind him, so no offside
The goal was valid and the VAR failed. The technology of the money won today. 🤑🤑