The problem with the MJ interview and documentary is that no one checked the facts. If you check them, they don’t add up. One claimed he was abused on a train but the train didn’t exist for 7 years after they were even at the neverland. Oprah didn’t let the family respond after they asked; she interviewed them after MJ’s death. Both of them suing the estate, which have been dismissed because the judge said they’re claims couldn’t be proven under any circumstances
I just wish someone would have taken a minute to really comfort Jeannie. This story clearly re-traumatized her and no one acknowledged it in the kind way she needed in that moment.
Agreed!!! Jeannie is always quick to comfort, I was actually shocked at Tamera. She always claims to be so kind and empathetic and sensitive but I’ve never seen her to be that person. She just sat there coldly listening to Jeannie. The only time she ever cries is when it’s an issue about herself or Adam. I think she’s rather self-centred.
you seem so sure of what you’re saying considering the fact that NOBODY knows what went on for those extremely long periods of times that he spent in the same room with one child
@@amiramir-qg7xv And yet so many people are willing to believe the worst possible scenario. When MJ gave us no reason to believe he would do something like this.
@@kca3346 the worst possible scenario also happens to be the most likely here… a grown man should never be this interested in having kids sleep in his bed. NEVER.
damn right i agree with what u said idc what anyone thinks about mj if they dont know the truth or cant agree with the truth then they just gonna have continue being wrong because its getting annoying and irritating
Oprah must really need attention ...you people need to leave Michael alone and stop doing these interviews..it's very disrespectful to the Jackson family...shame on oprah
I HAD to stop watching this interview because I felt like something off in the sense where Oprah wasn't trying to get to the HEART of their truth whether they're lying or not. This interview made it so difficult to see who was actually lying or not.
People need to stop projecting their BS on to this man! The people who have made accusations against him have been shady! The first family’s father tried to be a screen writer and when Michael refused to give him a hook up, there came the allegations. The family from the trial sued JC Penny for sexual harassment after they were caught shoplifting and also tried to con Jay Leno. These two men sued his estate for $1.5 billion dollars. Yes! Billion! Wade Robson testified in MJs defense during his trial. He also made several tributes to him throughout his career and tried to be lead choreographer for a tribute show to him. He didn’t get the job! Then he makes allegations and sues his estate for that ridiculous amount of money. This is all information that is readily available online. People don’t research because they choose not to. Michael Jackson went to trial and was acquitted. The FBI followed him around for 10 years and found nothing. Oprah was friends with Harvey Weinstein who prayed on hundreds of women and she didn’t bother addressing that. I hate false outrage. People believe these allegations because they think MJ was weird and didn’t seem like a “ladies man”. Meanwhile, all these men in Hollywood who’ve raped, harassed and terrorized thousands of women and children for decades went under the radar because they seemed like “normal” business men. It’s funny how people pick and choose.
#mjinnocent 🤞🏾 BREAKS MY HEART TO SEE HEARTLESS PEOPLE FALSELY ACCUSING SUCH AN INNOCENT SOUL FOR MONEY AND FAME!!💔 THIS HAS RUINED MJ AND STILL AFFECT HIS FAMILY AND THE ACCUSERS SHOULD BE CHARGED👏🏾
Anyways MJ deserves his full justice. What they did to him is awful. Nobody should ever lie about CSA. profiting off a deceased man’s name is disgusting. Stop using MJ’s name for your views.
if she wanted to have liars on that's fine but as a woman in journalism you have to have both sides present although it problem would have resulted in a fist fight the fact that she didn't invites the jackson family to be there speaks volumes but they probably would have rejected the invite
@@chandnik5471 They are not victims, they are proven serial liars, that's the point. In 2022 are you going to cancel common sense and critical thinking?
That's not true. In the first allegations back in '93 , he was never charged. He settled because he was told by his leagal team that the constant stream of salacious news was damaging his career and he should just give 20 million and get on with his life. The settlement said he was settling for NEGLIGENCE and was not accepting any sort of wrong doing. Besides the civil settlement didn't preclude the family of Jordan Chandler from taking Michael Jackson to criminal court. But they chose to take the money and run. The then District Attorney Tom Sneddon tried to find other "victims" between '93 and 2003. For 10 years he didn't let it go and even traveled to overseas to find victims but couldn't until the lying,grifting Arvizos. In 2005 Michael was vindicated and was not even found guilty for misdemeanors. It was complete vindication but the media wasn't interested. Please watch Square One on RUclips.
Loni and Adrienne are focused on facts. Tamara and Jeannie are focused from an emotional standpoint. Michael was too open and that bit him in the butt.
Billy John No. These two liars and their lying ass mothers are to blame. The problem is not with sleeping. The problem is that these vulture families made up disgusting allegations to rob Michael's children.
Exactly and I am a massive Beyoncé fan. Why would you allow your kids to have a sleepover with any celebrity. I still don’t believe the accusations though. The stories don’t add up. These parents brought their kids so they could accuse MJ, regardless of something happened or not.
I want to put the SAME scrutiny under the so called "victims" that MJ is put under. They are so obsessed with making MJ guilty that they DON'T even want to look at the "victims'" own stories. But they defend these "stranger" on the internet like they know these accusing families. 🤣Let me show you how FAKE these "victims" are if you look into their OWN stories. 1. Tell me what do you know about the 1st case in 1993 and the "father" of the boy Evan Chandler? Tell me what you know about him? If you say nothing, then stay out of PUSHING Jordan Chandler as a "victim?" Do you know Evan Chandler DRUGGED Jordan with Sodium Amytal to make the first accusation??? Do you know Jordan said nothing happened UNTIL he was administered this drug?? Evan is on tape saying "If I go through this, I WIN BIG...I will get everything I want." Is this something you would say as a parent??? Evan Chandler also tried to kill Jordy in 2005 and you can find the complaint that Jordy filed against him in the case of Jordan Chandler vs Evan Chandler at Justia Law. Jodan has told friends it never happened. Go watch Square One. So you are defending Evan Chandler who drugged Jordy and then tried to kill him. This is who you are defending? 2. What do you know about the 2005 case involving the Arvizo's?? Do you know how they got in MJ's life in 2000 by saying it was Gavin's "Dying Wish" to meet Michael Jackson as they CLAIMED he had 2 weeks to live. Do you realize the entire family would claimed it was MJ who SAVED his life?? On the Bashir doc that aired on U.S. TV on February 6, 2003, they discussed it. How they asked MJ if Gavin could call him "Dad." Then they would claim AFTER this doc aired, Michael would kidnap them and it was at this they claimed MJ molested Gavin for the FIRST TIME when an investigation was launched. Receipts were producing of them out in PUBLIC during their "kidnapping" and it KILLED their 2005 case. This is who you are defending. 3. Now we are on to the NEXT lie of James Safechuck and Wade Robson. These 2 are more ridiculous than the first 2. Let's start with Wade Robson whom you are defending. Have you ever participated in a Criminal Trial?? Do you know it's a crime to claim you LIED in a criminal trial. Wade Robson walked into a Criminal Trial in 2005 as an ADULT and testified for the defense WHEN HE DIDN'T HAVE TO. He said MJ NEVER TOUCHED him. So now he said he PERJURED himself in a CRIMINAL TRIAL by saying he LIED. That alone should make you question his story. Now let's add, Wade wanting to GET MARRIED AT Neverland, dating MJ's niece, and doing tributes to MJ when he died. Forget about him not selected for MJ's Musical One in 2011 then coming up with his accusation. The fact he is saying HE LIED already should make you question his story. This is WHO you are defending. Let's start with James Safechuck. James family was sued in 2014 and they HE got on board with Wade. But lets look at James tale. James couldn't even get his story together when he wrote his script and that's what happened when you RUSH. 🤣James was born February 28, 1978. When the Chandler case started in August 1993, James would have been 15 1/2 years old. James claims he was molested or as it put it had "sex" with Michael on the 2nd floor of this Train House. The permits PROVE the Train House DID NOT exist at Neverland until mid 1994. So James timeline of 1988 to 1992 IS A LIE. Add during the Chandler investigation, James Safechuck DEFENDED MJ. He and his mother. In fact when Michael was in Budapest with Lisa Marie in August 1994, James 16 1/2 and taller than MJ, and his mother WERE BOTH THERE as James had odd jobs, 1 of which CARRYING MJ'S UMBRELLA. 🤣 It's obvious why James is TRYING to get money from MJ now. IF he was "paid off" do you think he would have a job like that?🤣 This is WHO you are defending.
You know what's funny or should I say unbelievable? Everyone agrees that it doesn't matter how famous you are as a parent you wouldn't let your own kids go to another man's house. And yet it happened lol Everyone is just a damn hypocrite because they don't want to admit that they would probably let their kids go see Michael at his house. But of course everyone wants to seem normal and rational hahahaaa Unbelievable "smh"
I disliked Tamera from the time she spoke ill about MJ. To think that I watched her Sister Sister show religiously. She is so snobbish and think that she God himself or near God's perfection. I will never watch anything with Tamera. The worst part she didn't know a thing about MJ story. It was obvious how she put her emotions ahead of Facts, which she never researched.
Jeanie like other people who have been abused put their anger on MJ for something he DIDN'T do INSTEAD OF VENTING THEIR ANGER ON THEIR ABUSERS. MICHAEL CANNOT PAY FOR YOUR ABUSERS. DEAL WITH YOUR ABUSERS.
Michael never ever said he slept in the same bed, he would sleep on the floor with a sleeping bag, please get your facts right as you sounded so convinced that Michael guilty. Taj Jackson is working hard on an 11 doco series about his uncle. Michaels not guilty of any wrong doing, and I now have to regret watching you.
This documentary. sorry, "mocumentary" and the inconsistent testimonies of the two men make it hard for legitimate victims of sexual abuse to come forward
Oprah is a total shame! She didn't even bothered to do her own research on this subject. She is not professional and lost all her credibility in my eyes forever!
@gonzoyork1908 Peter Nygard was a rich finnish-canadian business man actually in jail for sexual abuse. OW went several times in his mansion in Bahamas and made a reportage about the beautiful luxury place which was in fact a place of sexual slavery. It was obvious, a reporter of Vanity Fair told it to her staf so OW could not have seen nothing. And John of God is a bresilian healer-crook who was condemned in 2019 to stay 63 years in prison for having raped hundreds women, for pedophilia, incest. OW invited him on her TVbroadcast to praise him and she went in his place in Brazil.
For Tamera to make an example of Bashir documentary about sleeping in the same bed is SIMPLY DUMB AND IGNORANT. MOST IMPORTANTLY IT SHOWS THAT she can COME ON TV AND MAKE FALSE STATEMNT THAT SHE DIDNT RESEARCH. That documentary MJ makes it clear that she slept on the FLOOR. GO AND LISTEN TO IT TAMERA. And also MJ bedroom is like a double story house. Its not the traditional room that you are presenting the show in. So when people sleep in his eoom they sleep in a double story upstairs or down stairs.
I'm glad Tamera stated the facts. Loni and Adrienne are too biased to publically speak on this. Loni was trying to shift blame to the victims parents. Yes they may have responsibility there but who is responsible for the abuse Loni? Loni, just because one kid is not abused doesnt mean other kids weren't abused
It’s not bias thinking of both stories and trying to figure out the truth… and the problem is the money hungry parents forcing their child to lie. And it’s even on recording one of the parents saying “I’m gonna get what I want, his career is gonna be ruined” even before the allegations came out…
What facts did Tamera bring? She is brainlessy using emotion as manipulation instead of proper reasoning or atleast show that she researched anything. She is the mist biased out of everybody in that table. She is basicaly stupid to me and very snobbish. The people that showed brsins snd reasoning are Adrienne and Loni. YOu Have to question certain things. You csnt just look at adults and think they are innocent in accusing peopl. Kids yes, you gave to listen to them but adults can have any motives for what they say. Snd Robson and Safechulk are men in their 40s. And in their 20s they swore that MJ never did anything to them. Now situation has changed and they suddenly sue a Dead person who cannever be in the courtroom with them? Is that fair? They had all that time as adults to take MJ to court and didn't. Now whom does it benefit to appear in court when its only them and a dead man's lawyers , whom I must say never saw nor met these men before, to argue about facts? Obviously it benefits the living cause the dead man has been silenced forever.
@9:28 Jay Leno commented on the mother trying to get him. Wish there was more clarification on that. Lopez also made similar statement “about a family doing things that were underhanded. That being said, they both made endless joke about Jackson & SA of children.
@@kungfu4003 Don’t be obnoxious. The court transcripts are hundreds of pages. My point was Jay & George were very clear about there thoughts about MJ when it brought them ratings. But conveniently not so clear on the nonsense the family was doing when they made jokes nightly.
@@kungfu4003I believe your comprehension of what I said is incorrect. I never said it would take yrs to read. Also not lashing out. Not interested in gossip. Again my point was how both George & Leno were derogatory towards Michael for entertainment. But, how vague they were when it came to the family’s behavior. I didn’t like how Leno & George behaved during that time considering how large their audience were.
@@kungfu4003 The last paragraph of what you said was rude and obnoxious. You are in such a hurry to make a point, you are not actually taking the time to comprehend what i said. My issue is that I dislike how Leno & others were so misleading in the things they said about MJ intentionally. And that was not fair. Nowhere did I say I doubt MJ’s innocence or believed the tabloid garbage. Again my annoyance is with comments Leno & others made. They know the general public are not going to read transcripts. Unfortunately the public at that time listened to late night shows & daytime talk show host for truth. And the majority were cruel & bias.
Even tho this is old..I'm so glad that people have been bringing attention to the PARENTS BEONG HELD RESPONSIBLE (loni) and COMPENSATION of any sort (adrienne)
Loni and Adrienne have class and reasoning ability. They don't use emotion to adress and issue. Look at Tamera's face. She has condemned MJ without even knowing thhe facts. I can hear in her speech snd emotional manipulation that she has never rsken time to resaerch everything and then make a deduction. Jeanie is taking her situation and putting it on MJ's shoulders. And that is wrong because MJ never abused her nor encourage an abuser to do harm her. It's no excuse to ignore facts and just look at a movie that is not looking into every aspect but that of 2 adults who have questionable motives and very telling lies. One of them being that Michael made sure that they ( Robdon and Safechuck) were never in one place at the same time and didn't want them to know each other and that Robson and Safechulk never met before until this documentary.But a picture of Robson, Safechuck and others together with MJ is all over social media. What kind of nonsense is that. They were not 7 or 5. They are in an age whereby they could remember everything and they were all familiar with each other in the picture. Im tired of this manipulation and lies. Tamera is off permanently on my "to watch people".
I was sexually abused as a kid In the uk care system the abuser got 8 yrs was in the papers and on tv ruined parts of my life the guys in the documentary were lyin they couldn’t have said the opposite in court before that I would never deny what happened to me if one kid felt they could open there mouth and get help by me tellin my story then it’s worth it as embarrassing as it is being a man who’s had this happened to him anyways in my opinion Michael Jackson was innocent Jus very immature and nieve and people have never seen a person so open and loving and it made people scared and confused especially once the press got hold of it plus the way he looked affected peoples judgement had the thriller looking Michael Jackson bin accused people would never have believed it as a white female ish looking unusual man it’s much easier to believe
I’m so sorry that happened to you :( people need to stop comparing their sexual abuse to Michael Jackson and the accusers. Bc it’s really not the same. They like to say well this happened to me so I think he’s guilty. So I’m glad you had a open mind ❤️
Shaelyn Olson And did you also harass people, falsely accuse numerous people, label other people who denied abuse liars, lied in court , hid evidence in court? I doubt it. These two men get away with everything because they are white who accused a black man. That's it
I agree with them when these happen it's just so bad cause you don't wanna disbelieve the kids but then you have to wonder if somebody lying ppl just need to stop doing shady things
Those two men are not kids. They are grown men who lied and lied in and out of court. Their history shows both wanted to make it big in showbiz and failed. Their bitterness over that is palpable. They lash at the black man who achieved what they could not, and they wanted a piece of his estate.
@@theansweris4241 I still think something happened, Aaliyah lied and said nothing ever happened with r Kelly and look what happened years later her uncle and another woman admitting to sneaking Aaliyah out and all the stories that came out, I'm sure parents know how to get money for a lie but some are even willing to do it with a scandalous story for a huge buck at the cost of their own children, in ct I remember years ago a woman selling two of her daughters to a man in the government for years until he was charged probably for not paying her and another story of a store manager of stop and shop was allowed to abuse a mentally challenged girl by her own mother also especially since back then many people were quiet about alot of things especially for a stable life.
There was no need for them to make money with this documentary or the channel. In fact, this documentary was served to earn money from the lawsuit that was already ongoing at the time it was broadcast. Motivation hoax, simply.. Get people to look elsewhere so the response becomes your defense.
How do people not know the truth when everything is in broad daylight...put your emotions to the side, look at the situation like regular pedestrians and everything is crystal clear.
I want to put the SAME scrutiny under the so called "victims" that MJ is put under. They are so obsessed with making MJ guilty that they DON'T even want to look at the "victims'" own stories. But they defend these "stranger" on the internet like they know these accusing families. 🤣Let me show you how FAKE these "victims" are if you look into their OWN stories. 1. Tell me what do you know about the 1st case in 1993 and the "father" of the boy Evan Chandler? Tell me what you know about him? If you say nothing, then stay out of PUSHING Jordan Chandler as a "victim?" Do you know Evan Chandler DRUGGED Jordan with Sodium Amytal to make the first accusation??? Do you know Jordan said nothing happened UNTIL he was administered this drug?? Evan is on tape saying "If I go through this, I WIN BIG...I will get everything I want." Is this something you would say as a parent??? Evan Chandler also tried to kill Jordy in 2005 and you can find the complaint that Jordy filed against him in the case of Jordan Chandler vs Evan Chandler at Justia Law. Jodan has told friends it never happened. Go watch Square One. So you are defending Evan Chandler who drugged Jordy and then tried to kill him. This is who you are defending? 2. What do you know about the 2005 case involving the Arvizo's?? Do you know how they got in MJ's life in 2000 by saying it was Gavin's "Dying Wish" to meet Michael Jackson as they CLAIMED he had 2 weeks to live. Do you realize the entire family would claimed it was MJ who SAVED his life?? On the Bashir doc that aired on U.S. TV on February 6, 2003, they discussed it. How they asked MJ if Gavin could call him "Dad." Then they would claim AFTER this doc aired, Michael would kidnap them and it was at this they claimed MJ molested Gavin for the FIRST TIME when an investigation was launched. Receipts were producing of them out in PUBLIC during their "kidnapping" and it KILLED their 2005 case. This is who you are defending. 3. Now we are on to the NEXT lie of James Safechuck and Wade Robson. These 2 are more ridiculous than the first 2. Let's start with Wade Robson whom you are defending. Have you ever participated in a Criminal Trial?? Do you know it's a crime to claim you LIED in a criminal trial. Wade Robson walked into a Criminal Trial in 2005 as an ADULT and testified for the defense WHEN HE DIDN'T HAVE TO. He said MJ NEVER TOUCHED him. So now he said he PERJURED himself in a CRIMINAL TRIAL by saying he LIED. That alone should make you question his story. Now let's add, Wade wanting to GET MARRIED AT Neverland, dating MJ's niece, and doing tributes to MJ when he died. Forget about him not selected for MJ's Musical One in 2011 then coming up with his accusation. The fact he is saying HE LIED already should make you question his story. This is WHO you are defending. Let's start with James Safechuck. James family was sued in 2014 and they HE got on board with Wade. But lets look at James tale. James couldn't even get his story together when he wrote his script and that's what happened when you RUSH. 🤣James was born February 28, 1978. When the Chandler case started in August 1993, James would have been 15 1/2 years old. James claims he was molested or as it put it had "sex" with Michael on the 2nd floor of this Train House. The permits PROVE the Train House DID NOT exist at Neverland until mid 1994. So James timeline of 1988 to 1992 IS A LIE. Add during the Chandler investigation, James Safechuck DEFENDED MJ. He and his mother. In fact when Michael was in Budapest with Lisa Marie in August 1994, James 16 1/2 and taller than MJ, and his mother WERE BOTH THERE as James had odd jobs, 1 of which CARRYING MJ'S UMBRELLA. 🤣 It's obvious why James is TRYING to get money from MJ now. IF he was "paid off" do you think he would have a job like that?🤣 This is WHO you are defending.
I agree. Michael was stuck in childhood he never got to grow up normally, he played with kids because he saw himself as them. It doesn’t make it right to sleep next to those kids, but I generally think he didn’t do anything sexual. I think it is the wrong move to lay with the kids though just to protect himself from any issues like this. But I don’t think he thought of that
I'm not so sure about that - MJ _'wanting to sleep with kids?'_ Let me give an example. My nephews come and sleep in my bed, whenever I'm at their place or they're at mine. *They* want to sleep in my bed. *I don't want them to...* I like my space (but their kids so I let them get away with it). I'm guessing it was the same with MJ, and so instead of a _'grown man wanting to sleep with kids'_ it's most likely, those kids wanting to sleep in his bed. Similar statement, but the situations are very different. An even more extreme example - pedohphiles want to sleep with kids, but we can't say kids want to sleep with pedophiles...
@@Thesilentvoice... Being stuck in childhood has nothing to do with wanting to be around kids lol I BARELY had a childhood and I have no desire to be around kids like that
Michaels only mistake was to open the doors of his house to a lot of people and most of those people took advantage of that and betrayed him. Look into who these two guys were, they are going against the MJJ state, not Michael.
And if u are like jeannie and tamera says if u are going to do a documentary then doing it without MJ but this shouldn't be about michael. Necessarily and also what loni said was great and Adrienne said well about Austin about the one guy which was true about him saying crap after 10 years. Also the kids they have nothing wrong or bad to say about they're father so that tell u that he wasn't that type of person so just like loni said let the man rest in peace
I hated the documentary. I 💖 Oprah Winfrey She made an mistake for interviewing James & Wade , Its too painful to watch by me an fan of Michael Jackson I'm angry & hated this
I used to like Oprah, after this she can go to hell, Oprah used michael, his mother and his daughter, they opened the doors to their home and then she goes and does this??? It disgusting
I want to put the SAME scrutiny under the so called "victims" that MJ is put under. They are so obsessed with making MJ guilty that they DON'T even want to look at the "victims'" own stories. But they defend these "stranger" on the internet like they know these accusing families. 🤣Let me show you how FAKE these "victims" are if you look into their OWN stories. 1. Tell me what do you know about the 1st case in 1993 and the "father" of the boy Evan Chandler? Tell me what you know about him? If you say nothing, then stay out of PUSHING Jordan Chandler as a "victim?" Do you know Evan Chandler DRUGGED Jordan with Sodium Amytal to make the first accusation??? Do you know Jordan said nothing happened UNTIL he was administered this drug?? Evan is on tape saying "If I go through this, I WIN BIG...I will get everything I want." Is this something you would say as a parent??? Evan Chandler also tried to kill Jordy in 2005 and you can find the complaint that Jordy filed against him in the case of Jordan Chandler vs Evan Chandler at Justia Law. Jodan has told friends it never happened. Go watch Square One. So you are defending Evan Chandler who drugged Jordy and then tried to kill him. This is who you are defending? 2. What do you know about the 2005 case involving the Arvizo's?? Do you know how they got in MJ's life in 2000 by saying it was Gavin's "Dying Wish" to meet Michael Jackson as they CLAIMED he had 2 weeks to live. Do you realize the entire family would claimed it was MJ who SAVED his life?? On the Bashir doc that aired on U.S. TV on February 6, 2003, they discussed it. How they asked MJ if Gavin could call him "Dad." Then they would claim AFTER this doc aired, Michael would kidnap them and it was at this they claimed MJ molested Gavin for the FIRST TIME when an investigation was launched. Receipts were producing of them out in PUBLIC during their "kidnapping" and it KILLED their 2005 case. This is who you are defending. 3. Now we are on to the NEXT lie of James Safechuck and Wade Robson. These 2 are more ridiculous than the first 2. Let's start with Wade Robson whom you are defending. Have you ever participated in a Criminal Trial?? Do you know it's a crime to claim you LIED in a criminal trial. Wade Robson walked into a Criminal Trial in 2005 as an ADULT and testified for the defense WHEN HE DIDN'T HAVE TO. He said MJ NEVER TOUCHED him. So now he said he PERJURED himself in a CRIMINAL TRIAL by saying he LIED. That alone should make you question his story. Now let's add, Wade wanting to GET MARRIED AT Neverland, dating MJ's niece, and doing tributes to MJ when he died. Forget about him not selected for MJ's Musical One in 2011 then coming up with his accusation. The fact he is saying HE LIED already should make you question his story. This is WHO you are defending. Let's start with James Safechuck. James family was sued in 2014 and they HE got on board with Wade. But lets look at James tale. James couldn't even get his story together when he wrote his script and that's what happened when you RUSH. 🤣James was born February 28, 1978. When the Chandler case started in August 1993, James would have been 15 1/2 years old. James claims he was molested or as it put it had "sex" with Michael on the 2nd floor of this Train House. The permits PROVE the Train House DID NOT exist at Neverland until mid 1994. So James timeline of 1988 to 1992 IS A LIE. Add during the Chandler investigation, James Safechuck DEFENDED MJ. He and his mother. In fact when Michael was in Budapest with Lisa Marie in August 1994, James 16 1/2 and taller than MJ, and his mother WERE BOTH THERE as James had odd jobs, 1 of which CARRYING MJ'S UMBRELLA. 🤣 It's obvious why James is TRYING to get money from MJ now. IF he was "paid off" do you think he would have a job like that?🤣 This is WHO you are defending.
Loni really grossed me out in this episode, continually repeating the phrase ‘real sexual assault’ how can you invalidate someone’s experience this way? How is it not clear to people that these men probably were afraid of MJ and it was probably much easier to tell this story without fear of what he can do? Yes people see him as a sweet idealistic childlike pop star but he also had POWER. Don’t forget that.
Or maybe she was just looking at both sides. Those allegations are false. And there is a documentary to prove it, you should watch lies of leaving neverland.
kmcd You made that up. They never said that they were afraid of MJ, nobody was afraid of him. Chandlers Arvizos and all those ex-employees who accused him were not afraid of him, nothing ever happened to them so what power are you even talking about? MJ was not some Al Capone you imagine him to be
kmcd Real sexual assault victims do not do what these two frauds have done since 2012. you have no idea. And Jackson was not some mobster. For god's sake
That last comment from Loni.. in hindsight Loni could have been more considerate to sexual assault victims and her choice of words all through the segment just missed the mark for me. She had some good points but was just insensitive in general..
I want to put the SAME scrutiny under the so called "victims" that MJ is put under. They are so obsessed with making MJ guilty that they DON'T even want to look at the "victims'" own stories. But they defend these "stranger" on the internet like they know these accusing families. 🤣Let me show you how FAKE these "victims" are if you look into their OWN stories. 1. Tell me what do you know about the 1st case in 1993 and the "father" of the boy Evan Chandler? Tell me what you know about him? If you say nothing, then stay out of PUSHING Jordan Chandler as a "victim?" Do you know Evan Chandler DRUGGED Jordan with Sodium Amytal to make the first accusation??? Do you know Jordan said nothing happened UNTIL he was administered this drug?? Evan is on tape saying "If I go through this, I WIN BIG...I will get everything I want." Is this something you would say as a parent??? Evan Chandler also tried to kill Jordy in 2005 and you can find the complaint that Jordy filed against him in the case of Jordan Chandler vs Evan Chandler at Justia Law. Jodan has told friends it never happened. Go watch Square One. So you are defending Evan Chandler who drugged Jordy and then tried to kill him. This is who you are defending? 2. What do you know about the 2005 case involving the Arvizo's?? Do you know how they got in MJ's life in 2000 by saying it was Gavin's "Dying Wish" to meet Michael Jackson as they CLAIMED he had 2 weeks to live. Do you realize the entire family would claimed it was MJ who SAVED his life?? On the Bashir doc that aired on U.S. TV on February 6, 2003, they discussed it. How they asked MJ if Gavin could call him "Dad." Then they would claim AFTER this doc aired, Michael would kidnap them and it was at this they claimed MJ molested Gavin for the FIRST TIME when an investigation was launched. Receipts were producing of them out in PUBLIC during their "kidnapping" and it KILLED their 2005 case. This is who you are defending. 3. Now we are on to the NEXT lie of James Safechuck and Wade Robson. These 2 are more ridiculous than the first 2. Let's start with Wade Robson whom you are defending. Have you ever participated in a Criminal Trial?? Do you know it's a crime to claim you LIED in a criminal trial. Wade Robson walked into a Criminal Trial in 2005 as an ADULT and testified for the defense WHEN HE DIDN'T HAVE TO. He said MJ NEVER TOUCHED him. So now he said he PERJURED himself in a CRIMINAL TRIAL by saying he LIED. That alone should make you question his story. Now let's add, Wade wanting to GET MARRIED AT Neverland, dating MJ's niece, and doing tributes to MJ when he died. Forget about him not selected for MJ's Musical One in 2011 then coming up with his accusation. The fact he is saying HE LIED already should make you question his story. This is WHO you are defending. Let's start with James Safechuck. James family was sued in 2014 and they HE got on board with Wade. But lets look at James tale. James couldn't even get his story together when he wrote his script and that's what happened when you RUSH. 🤣James was born February 28, 1978. When the Chandler case started in August 1993, James would have been 15 1/2 years old. James claims he was molested or as it put it had "sex" with Michael on the 2nd floor of this Train House. The permits PROVE the Train House DID NOT exist at Neverland until mid 1994. So James timeline of 1988 to 1992 IS A LIE. Add during the Chandler investigation, James Safechuck DEFENDED MJ. He and his mother. In fact when Michael was in Budapest with Lisa Marie in August 1994, James 16 1/2 and taller than MJ, and his mother WERE BOTH THERE as James had odd jobs, 1 of which CARRYING MJ'S UMBRELLA. 🤣 It's obvious why James is TRYING to get money from MJ now. IF he was "paid off" do you think he would have a job like that?🤣 This is WHO you are defending.
Well you didn’t hold him accountable when he was alive. Don’t give me the bullshit about his ability to defend himself in death. His Neverland staff knows. His sister knows. His mother knows.
I want to put the SAME scrutiny under the so called "victims" that MJ is put under. They are so obsessed with making MJ guilty that they DON'T even want to look at the "victims'" own stories. But they defend these "stranger" on the internet like they know these accusing families. 🤣Let me show you how FAKE these "victims" are if you look into their OWN stories. 1. Tell me what do you know about the 1st case in 1993 and the "father" of the boy Evan Chandler? Tell me what you know about him? If you say nothing, then stay out of PUSHING Jordan Chandler as a "victim?" Do you know Evan Chandler DRUGGED Jordan with Sodium Amytal to make the first accusation??? Do you know Jordan said nothing happened UNTIL he was administered this drug?? Evan is on tape saying "If I go through this, I WIN BIG...I will get everything I want." Is this something you would say as a parent??? Evan Chandler also tried to kill Jordy in 2005 and you can find the complaint that Jordy filed against him in the case of Jordan Chandler vs Evan Chandler at Justia Law. Jodan has told friends it never happened. Go watch Square One. So you are defending Evan Chandler who drugged Jordy and then tried to kill him. This is who you are defending? 2. What do you know about the 2005 case involving the Arvizo's?? Do you know how they got in MJ's life in 2000 by saying it was Gavin's "Dying Wish" to meet Michael Jackson as they CLAIMED he had 2 weeks to live. Do you realize the entire family would claimed it was MJ who SAVED his life?? On the Bashir doc that aired on U.S. TV on February 6, 2003, they discussed it. How they asked MJ if Gavin could call him "Dad." Then they would claim AFTER this doc aired, Michael would kidnap them and it was at this they claimed MJ molested Gavin for the FIRST TIME when an investigation was launched. Receipts were producing of them out in PUBLIC during their "kidnapping" and it KILLED their 2005 case. This is who you are defending. 3. Now we are on to the NEXT lie of James Safechuck and Wade Robson. These 2 are more ridiculous than the first 2. Let's start with Wade Robson whom you are defending. Have you ever participated in a Criminal Trial?? Do you know it's a crime to claim you LIED in a criminal trial. Wade Robson walked into a Criminal Trial in 2005 as an ADULT and testified for the defense WHEN HE DIDN'T HAVE TO. He said MJ NEVER TOUCHED him. So now he said he PERJURED himself in a CRIMINAL TRIAL by saying he LIED. That alone should make you question his story. Now let's add, Wade wanting to GET MARRIED AT Neverland, dating MJ's niece, and doing tributes to MJ when he died. Forget about him not selected for MJ's Musical One in 2011 then coming up with his accusation. The fact he is saying HE LIED already should make you question his story. This is WHO you are defending. Let's start with James Safechuck. James family was sued in 2014 and they HE got on board with Wade. But lets look at James tale. James couldn't even get his story together when he wrote his script and that's what happened when you RUSH. 🤣James was born February 28, 1978. When the Chandler case started in August 1993, James would have been 15 1/2 years old. James claims he was molested or as it put it had "sex" with Michael on the 2nd floor of this Train House. The permits PROVE the Train House DID NOT exist at Neverland until mid 1994. So James timeline of 1988 to 1992 IS A LIE. Add during the Chandler investigation, James Safechuck DEFENDED MJ. He and his mother. In fact when Michael was in Budapest with Lisa Marie in August 1994, James 16 1/2 and taller than MJ, and his mother WERE BOTH THERE as James had odd jobs, 1 of which CARRYING MJ'S UMBRELLA. 🤣 It's obvious why James is TRYING to get money from MJ now. IF he was "paid off" do you think he would have a job like that?🤣 This is WHO you are defending.
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The problem with the MJ interview and documentary is that no one checked the facts. If you check them, they don’t add up. One claimed he was abused on a train but the train didn’t exist for 7 years after they were even at the neverland. Oprah didn’t let the family respond after they asked; she interviewed them after MJ’s death. Both of them suing the estate, which have been dismissed because the judge said they’re claims couldn’t be proven under any circumstances
couldnt said it better myself thank you :)
@@Net-hf7pt I never was an Operah fan and I am less of a fan now.
Jeannie looks terrified. This triggering for her. Her pain and fear should have been acknowledged.
I just wish someone would have taken a minute to really comfort Jeannie. This story clearly re-traumatized her and no one acknowledged it in the kind way she needed in that moment.
who cares about her?
I agree V SS. When Jeannie was talking about Luke Perry's passing, you could see she was still upset about the subject of the documentary.
Agreed!!! Jeannie is always quick to comfort, I was actually shocked at Tamera. She always claims to be so kind and empathetic and sensitive but I’ve never seen her to be that person. She just sat there coldly listening to Jeannie. The only time she ever cries is when it’s an issue about herself or Adam. I think she’s rather self-centred.
maybe they have had this talk behind the scenes when planning for the show
So true
There is nothing to be confused about, Michael is innocent and proven innocent ! period!
you seem so sure of what you’re saying considering the fact that NOBODY knows what went on for those extremely long periods of times that he spent in the same room with one child
The Michael Jackson Rebuttal (Part 1) / The Rageaholic
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@@amiramir-qg7xv And yet so many people are willing to believe the worst possible scenario. When MJ gave us no reason to believe he would do something like this.
@@kca3346 the worst possible scenario also happens to be the most likely here… a grown man should never be this interested in having kids sleep in his bed. NEVER.
Like OJ right
I don’t care what anyone says, I’m gonna believe MJ till the day I die. They did this for money, especially now since he’s gone.
damn right i agree with what u said idc what anyone thinks about mj if they dont know the truth or cant agree with the truth then they just gonna have continue being wrong because its getting annoying and irritating
I agree..He was innocent
So you think it is normal for grown adult man to sleep with other peoples kids? Ok...
@@devilsfavorite999that's not what this is about. You are clearly missing the whole point here. Wake up kid
@@Snyper1405 what's the point? Why does a grown man have kids in his bed?
Oprah must really need attention ...you people need to leave Michael alone and stop doing these interviews..it's very disrespectful to the Jackson family...shame on oprah
I HAD to stop watching this interview because I felt like something off in the sense where Oprah wasn't trying to get to the HEART of their truth whether they're lying or not. This interview made it so difficult to see who was actually lying or not.
People need to stop projecting their BS on to this man! The people who have made accusations against him have been shady! The first family’s father tried to be a screen writer and when Michael refused to give him a hook up, there came the allegations. The family from the trial sued JC Penny for sexual harassment after they were caught shoplifting and also tried to con Jay Leno. These two men sued his estate for $1.5 billion dollars. Yes! Billion! Wade Robson testified in MJs defense during his trial. He also made several tributes to him throughout his career and tried to be lead choreographer for a tribute show to him. He didn’t get the job! Then he makes allegations and sues his estate for that ridiculous amount of money. This is all information that is readily available online. People don’t research because they choose not to.
Michael Jackson went to trial and was acquitted. The FBI followed him around for 10 years and found nothing. Oprah was friends with Harvey Weinstein who prayed on hundreds of women and she didn’t bother addressing that. I hate false outrage. People believe these allegations because they think MJ was weird and didn’t seem like a “ladies man”. Meanwhile, all these men in Hollywood who’ve raped, harassed and terrorized thousands of women and children for decades went under the radar because they seemed like “normal” business men. It’s funny how people pick and choose.
I wish someone would have comforted Jeannie too. I heard her entire story. She went through HELL!
#mjinnocent 🤞🏾 BREAKS MY HEART TO SEE HEARTLESS PEOPLE FALSELY ACCUSING SUCH AN INNOCENT SOUL FOR MONEY AND FAME!!💔 THIS HAS RUINED MJ AND STILL AFFECT HIS FAMILY AND THE ACCUSERS SHOULD BE CHARGED👏🏾
The only thing is that It IS an Attempt to Destroy his LEGACY but the LIARS keep being exposed for just what they are LIARS.
Real victims should be heard, but these Michael Jackson accusations don’t add up. They want money and fame .
Anyways MJ deserves his full justice. What they did to him is awful. Nobody should ever lie about CSA. profiting off a deceased man’s name is disgusting. Stop using MJ’s name for your views.
We all now know that the film contained over 60 lies
Oprah deserved to be criticized for having those two on. Their claims in that documentary have been looked over and debunked multiple times.
💯
if she wanted to have liars on that's fine but as a woman in journalism you have to have both sides present although it problem would have resulted in a fist fight the fact that she didn't invites the jackson family to be there speaks volumes but they probably would have rejected the invite
Isn't that awful? That same mother went after JAY LENO!! What the bloody HELL!
I Believe Michael Jackson was innocent all along...
I've never really believed any of the accusations....but if you put yourself in situations where people can take advantage of you....THEY WILL!!!
@@chandnik5471 They are not victims, they are proven serial liars, that's the point. In 2022 are you going to cancel common sense and critical thinking?
@@chandnik5471 Simon was referring to MJ letting those leeches in his life , families who took advantage of him
MJ was innocent
And will forever be innocent
@@rickaliawhite998 damn right
DAMN RIGHT!👑💯
Yes💯MJ forever and always 👑Innocent❤️
MichaelJackson was Found innocent 1993 to 1996 to 2005 to 2022 Forever and ever Innocent!!! King of POP 👑❤️🔥
That's not true. In the first allegations back in '93 , he was never charged. He settled because he was told by his leagal team that the constant stream of salacious news was damaging his career and he should just give 20 million and get on with his life. The settlement said he was settling for NEGLIGENCE and was not accepting any sort of wrong doing. Besides the civil settlement didn't preclude the family of Jordan Chandler from taking Michael Jackson to criminal court. But they chose to take the money and run.
The then District Attorney Tom Sneddon tried to find other "victims" between '93 and 2003. For 10 years he didn't let it go and even traveled to overseas to find victims but couldn't until the lying,grifting Arvizos. In 2005 Michael was vindicated and was not even found guilty for misdemeanors. It was complete vindication but the media wasn't interested. Please watch Square One on RUclips.
He settled in 1993
Loni and Adrienne are focused on facts. Tamara and Jeannie are focused from an emotional standpoint. Michael was too open and that bit him in the butt.
I think Michael J. Was a victim and may have shared too much behind scenes causing others to benefit from his own victimization
Loni is taking the words out of my mouth.'
THE PARENTS are the biggest to blame. I wouldn't even let my children sleep at Beyonce's house.
Billy John No. These two liars and their lying ass mothers are to blame. The problem is not with sleeping. The problem is that these vulture families made up disgusting allegations to rob Michael's children.
Exactly and I am a massive Beyoncé fan. Why would you allow your kids to have a sleepover with any celebrity. I still don’t believe the accusations though. The stories don’t add up. These parents brought their kids so they could accuse MJ, regardless of something happened or not.
I want to put the SAME scrutiny under the so called "victims" that MJ is put under. They are so obsessed with making MJ guilty that they DON'T even want to look at the "victims'" own stories. But they defend these "stranger" on the internet like they know these accusing families. 🤣Let me show you how FAKE these "victims" are if you look into their OWN stories.
1. Tell me what do you know about the 1st case in 1993 and the "father" of the boy Evan Chandler? Tell me what you know about him? If you say nothing, then stay out of PUSHING Jordan Chandler as a "victim?" Do you know Evan Chandler DRUGGED Jordan with Sodium Amytal to make the first accusation??? Do you know Jordan said nothing happened UNTIL he was administered this drug?? Evan is on tape saying "If I go through this, I WIN BIG...I will get everything I want." Is this something you would say as a parent???
Evan Chandler also tried to kill Jordy in 2005 and you can find the complaint that Jordy filed against him in the case of Jordan Chandler vs Evan Chandler at Justia Law. Jodan has told friends it never happened. Go watch Square One. So you are defending Evan Chandler who drugged Jordy and then tried to kill him. This is who you are defending?
2. What do you know about the 2005 case involving the Arvizo's?? Do you know how they got in MJ's life in 2000 by saying it was Gavin's "Dying Wish" to meet Michael Jackson as they CLAIMED he had 2 weeks to live. Do you realize the entire family would claimed it was MJ who SAVED his life?? On the Bashir doc that aired on U.S. TV on February 6, 2003, they discussed it. How they asked MJ if Gavin could call him "Dad." Then they would claim AFTER this doc aired, Michael would kidnap them and it was at this they claimed MJ molested Gavin for the FIRST TIME when an investigation was launched. Receipts were producing of them out in PUBLIC during their "kidnapping" and it KILLED their 2005 case. This is who you are defending.
3. Now we are on to the NEXT lie of James Safechuck and Wade Robson. These 2 are more ridiculous than the first 2.
Let's start with Wade Robson whom you are defending. Have you ever participated in a Criminal Trial?? Do you know it's a crime to claim you LIED in a criminal trial. Wade Robson walked into a Criminal Trial in 2005 as an ADULT and testified for the defense WHEN HE DIDN'T HAVE TO. He said MJ NEVER TOUCHED him. So now he said he PERJURED himself in a CRIMINAL TRIAL by saying he LIED. That alone should make you question his story. Now let's add, Wade wanting to GET MARRIED AT Neverland, dating MJ's niece, and doing tributes to MJ when he died. Forget about him not selected for MJ's Musical One in 2011 then coming up with his accusation. The fact he is saying HE LIED already should make you question his story. This is WHO you are defending.
Let's start with James Safechuck. James family was sued in 2014 and they HE got on board with Wade. But lets look at James tale. James couldn't even get his story together when he wrote his script and that's what happened when you RUSH. 🤣James was born February 28, 1978. When the Chandler case started in August 1993, James would have been 15 1/2 years old. James claims he was molested or as it put it had "sex" with Michael on the 2nd floor of this Train House. The permits PROVE the Train House DID NOT exist at Neverland until mid 1994. So James timeline of 1988 to 1992 IS A LIE. Add during the Chandler investigation, James Safechuck DEFENDED MJ. He and his mother. In fact when Michael was in Budapest with Lisa Marie in August 1994, James 16 1/2 and taller than MJ, and his mother WERE BOTH THERE as James had odd jobs, 1 of which CARRYING MJ'S UMBRELLA. 🤣 It's obvious why James is TRYING to get money from MJ now. IF he was "paid off" do you think he would have a job like that?🤣 This is WHO you are defending.
You know what's funny or should I say unbelievable? Everyone agrees that it doesn't matter how famous you are as a parent you wouldn't let your own kids go to another man's house. And yet it happened lol
Everyone is just a damn hypocrite because they don't want to admit that they would probably let their kids go see Michael at his house. But of course everyone wants to seem normal and rational hahahaaa
Unbelievable "smh"
Please see the ' square one' documentary which talks about 2003 and 2005 allegations. Taj Jackson is making a documentary out 2023.
I disliked Tamera from the time she spoke ill about MJ. To think that I watched her Sister Sister show religiously. She is so snobbish and think that she God himself or near God's perfection. I will never watch anything with Tamera.
The worst part she didn't know a thing about MJ story. It was obvious how she put her emotions ahead of Facts, which she never researched.
She was stating facts actually
@@MrChaseBlueoh please just stop with that crap 😂
@@MrChaseBlueoh please just stop with this crap 😂
@@MrChaseBlueoh please just stop with this crap 😂
Jeanie like other people who have been abused put their anger on MJ for something he DIDN'T do INSTEAD OF VENTING THEIR ANGER ON THEIR ABUSERS.
MICHAEL CANNOT PAY FOR YOUR ABUSERS. DEAL WITH YOUR ABUSERS.
I was gonna say that!! Not because you were abused it means that all the alleged victims are REAL victims
Michael never ever said he slept in the same bed, he would sleep on the floor with a sleeping bag, please get your facts right as you sounded so convinced that Michael guilty. Taj Jackson is working hard on an 11 doco series about his uncle. Michaels not guilty of any wrong doing, and I now have to regret watching you.
I'm getting more sick and tired of watching these kind of talk shows about MJ. Nothing positive really comes out of it
This documentary. sorry, "mocumentary" and the inconsistent testimonies of the two men make it hard for legitimate victims of sexual abuse to come forward
Oprah is a total shame! She didn't even bothered to do her own research on this subject. She is not professional and lost all her credibility in my eyes forever!
@gonzoyork1908and John of God, and Peter Nygard
@gonzoyork1908 Peter Nygard was a rich finnish-canadian business man actually in jail for sexual abuse. OW went several times in his mansion in Bahamas and made a reportage about the beautiful luxury place which was in fact a place of sexual slavery. It was obvious, a reporter of Vanity Fair told it to her staf so OW could not have seen nothing. And John of God is a bresilian healer-crook who was condemned in 2019 to stay 63 years in prison for having raped hundreds women, for pedophilia, incest. OW invited him on her TVbroadcast to praise him and she went in his place in Brazil.
Mj was innocent
Yes!
Why
facts
@@uhohstinky5850 cause the evidence shows his accusers lied for money
Yup
#mjinnocent 🤞🏾🤞🏾👑👑👑❤🕊
For Tamera to make an example of Bashir documentary about sleeping in the same bed is SIMPLY DUMB AND IGNORANT. MOST IMPORTANTLY IT SHOWS THAT she can COME ON TV AND MAKE FALSE STATEMNT THAT SHE DIDNT RESEARCH. That documentary MJ makes it clear that she slept on the FLOOR. GO AND LISTEN TO IT TAMERA. And also MJ bedroom is like a double story house. Its not the traditional room that you are presenting the show in. So when people sleep in his eoom they sleep in a double story upstairs or down stairs.
I love these ladies they are so Smart and intelligent. Bring it back
MJ is INNOCENT.
They dont wanna go back maybe except for lonie lmaoo
Tamera is not smart.
Jeanie is an emotional freak
Great episode of the real they have so many great hot topics
I'm glad Tamera stated the facts. Loni and Adrienne are too biased to publically speak on this. Loni was trying to shift blame to the victims parents. Yes they may have responsibility there but who is responsible for the abuse Loni?
Loni, just because one kid is not abused doesnt mean other kids weren't abused
Shut up
It’s not bias it’s facts both can be true how can a man who’s dead defend himself? . People in this industry do a lot for power and money .
It’s not bias thinking of both stories and trying to figure out the truth… and the problem is the money hungry parents forcing their child to lie. And it’s even on recording one of the parents saying “I’m gonna get what I want, his career is gonna be ruined” even before the allegations came out…
What facts did Tamera bring? She is brainlessy using emotion as manipulation instead of proper reasoning or atleast show that she researched anything. She is the mist biased out of everybody in that table. She is basicaly stupid to me and very snobbish. The people that showed brsins snd reasoning are Adrienne and Loni. YOu Have to question certain things. You csnt just look at adults and think they are innocent in accusing peopl. Kids yes, you gave to listen to them but adults can have any motives for what they say. Snd Robson and Safechulk are men in their 40s. And in their 20s they swore that MJ never did anything to them. Now situation has changed and they suddenly sue a Dead person who cannever be in the courtroom with them? Is that fair? They had all that time as adults to take MJ to court and didn't. Now whom does it benefit to appear in court when its only them and a dead man's lawyers , whom I must say never saw nor met these men before, to argue about facts? Obviously it benefits the living cause the dead man has been silenced forever.
MICHAEL NEVER ASKED CHILDREN TO COME SLEEP WITH HIM IN HIS BED.
@9:28 Jay Leno commented on the mother trying to get him. Wish there was more clarification on that. Lopez also made similar statement “about a family doing things that were underhanded. That being said, they both made endless joke about Jackson & SA of children.
@@kungfu4003 Don’t be obnoxious. The court transcripts are hundreds of pages. My point was Jay & George were very clear about there thoughts about MJ when it brought them ratings. But conveniently not so clear on the nonsense the family was doing when they made jokes nightly.
@@kungfu4003I believe your comprehension of what I said is incorrect. I never said it would take yrs to read. Also not lashing out. Not interested in gossip. Again my point was how both George & Leno were derogatory towards Michael for entertainment. But, how vague they were when it came to the family’s behavior. I didn’t like how Leno & George behaved during that time considering how large their audience were.
@@kungfu4003 The last paragraph of what you said was rude and obnoxious. You are in such a hurry to make a point, you are not actually taking the time to comprehend what i said. My issue is that I dislike how Leno & others were so misleading in the things they said about MJ intentionally. And that was not fair. Nowhere did I say I doubt MJ’s innocence or believed the tabloid garbage. Again my annoyance is with comments Leno & others made. They know the general public are not going to read transcripts. Unfortunately the public at that time listened to late night shows & daytime talk show host for truth. And the majority were cruel & bias.
I didn’t know Luke Perry died!!! 😢 I just have to say this was a great discussion. They brought up very good points when viewing the whole situation.
Wade was trying to secure the bag ooo lol
Even tho this is old..I'm so glad that people have been bringing attention to the PARENTS BEONG HELD RESPONSIBLE (loni) and COMPENSATION of any sort (adrienne)
Loni and Adrienne have class and reasoning ability. They don't use emotion to adress and issue.
Look at Tamera's face. She has condemned MJ without even knowing thhe facts. I can hear in her speech snd emotional manipulation that she has never rsken time to resaerch everything and then make a deduction.
Jeanie is taking her situation and putting it on MJ's shoulders. And that is wrong because MJ never abused her nor encourage an abuser to do harm her.
It's no excuse to ignore facts and just look at a movie that is not looking into every aspect but that of 2 adults who have questionable motives and very telling lies. One of them being that Michael made sure that they ( Robdon and Safechuck) were never in one place at the same time and didn't want them to know each other and that Robson and Safechulk never met before until this documentary.But a picture of Robson, Safechuck and others together with MJ is all over social media. What kind of nonsense is that. They were not 7 or 5. They are in an age whereby they could remember everything and they were all familiar with each other in the picture.
Im tired of this manipulation and lies. Tamera is off permanently on my "to watch people".
Michael was innocent and will always be.
I was sexually abused as a kid In the uk care system the abuser got 8 yrs was in the papers and on tv ruined parts of my life the guys in the documentary were lyin they couldn’t have said the opposite in court before that I would never deny what happened to me if one kid felt they could open there mouth and get help by me tellin my story then it’s worth it as embarrassing as it is being a man who’s had this happened to him anyways in my opinion Michael Jackson was innocent Jus very immature and nieve and people have never seen a person so open and loving and it made people scared and confused especially once the press got hold of it plus the way he looked affected peoples judgement had the thriller looking Michael Jackson bin accused people would never have believed it as a white female ish looking unusual man it’s much easier to believe
I’m so sorry that happened to you :( people need to stop comparing their sexual abuse to Michael Jackson and the accusers. Bc it’s really not the same. They like to say well this happened to me so I think he’s guilty. So I’m glad you had a open mind ❤️
To the girl in black: thanks!
I don’t believe these people lied. You’d have to win an academy award
I didn't say anything for more then a year and when I did I was called a liar and who I told never believed me..
Shaelyn Olson And did you also harass people, falsely accuse numerous people, label other people who denied abuse liars, lied in court , hid evidence in court? I doubt it. These two men get away with everything because they are white who accused a black man. That's it
Shaelyn Olson These two proven liars said a lot though: the opposite of what they decided to say when they went after the MJ Estate's money.
Shaelyn Olson You really don't know much about Robson and Safechuck, do you?
I'm sorry you had to go through that.💐
And look at Loni and Adriennes response. This is why real victims like you don't speak up
I agree with them when these happen it's just so bad cause you don't wanna disbelieve the kids but then you have to wonder if somebody lying ppl just need to stop doing shady things
Those two men are not kids. They are grown men who lied and lied in and out of court. Their history shows both wanted to make it big in showbiz and failed. Their bitterness over that is palpable. They lash at the black man who achieved what they could not, and they wanted a piece of his estate.
@@theansweris4241 damn right I'm so pissed that they wanna release part two when clearly part one was a lie like omg bruh 😑🙄
@@theansweris4241 I still think something happened, Aaliyah lied and said nothing ever happened with r Kelly and look what happened years later her uncle and another woman admitting to sneaking Aaliyah out and all the stories that came out, I'm sure parents know how to get money for a lie but some are even willing to do it with a scandalous story for a huge buck at the cost of their own children, in ct I remember years ago a woman selling two of her daughters to a man in the government for years until he was charged probably for not paying her and another story of a store manager of stop and shop was allowed to abuse a mentally challenged girl by her own mother also especially since back then many people were quiet about alot of things especially for a stable life.
Oprah would never do an interview like this about a white entertainer
There was no need for them to make money with this documentary or the channel. In fact, this documentary was served to earn money from the lawsuit that was already ongoing at the time it was broadcast. Motivation hoax, simply.. Get people to look elsewhere so the response becomes your defense.
Well look how that turned out .. 🤡🤡
How do people not know the truth when everything is in broad daylight...put your emotions to the side, look at the situation like regular pedestrians and everything is crystal clear.
What do you believe is the truth?
I want to put the SAME scrutiny under the so called "victims" that MJ is put under. They are so obsessed with making MJ guilty that they DON'T even want to look at the "victims'" own stories. But they defend these "stranger" on the internet like they know these accusing families. 🤣Let me show you how FAKE these "victims" are if you look into their OWN stories.
1. Tell me what do you know about the 1st case in 1993 and the "father" of the boy Evan Chandler? Tell me what you know about him? If you say nothing, then stay out of PUSHING Jordan Chandler as a "victim?" Do you know Evan Chandler DRUGGED Jordan with Sodium Amytal to make the first accusation??? Do you know Jordan said nothing happened UNTIL he was administered this drug?? Evan is on tape saying "If I go through this, I WIN BIG...I will get everything I want." Is this something you would say as a parent???
Evan Chandler also tried to kill Jordy in 2005 and you can find the complaint that Jordy filed against him in the case of Jordan Chandler vs Evan Chandler at Justia Law. Jodan has told friends it never happened. Go watch Square One. So you are defending Evan Chandler who drugged Jordy and then tried to kill him. This is who you are defending?
2. What do you know about the 2005 case involving the Arvizo's?? Do you know how they got in MJ's life in 2000 by saying it was Gavin's "Dying Wish" to meet Michael Jackson as they CLAIMED he had 2 weeks to live. Do you realize the entire family would claimed it was MJ who SAVED his life?? On the Bashir doc that aired on U.S. TV on February 6, 2003, they discussed it. How they asked MJ if Gavin could call him "Dad." Then they would claim AFTER this doc aired, Michael would kidnap them and it was at this they claimed MJ molested Gavin for the FIRST TIME when an investigation was launched. Receipts were producing of them out in PUBLIC during their "kidnapping" and it KILLED their 2005 case. This is who you are defending.
3. Now we are on to the NEXT lie of James Safechuck and Wade Robson. These 2 are more ridiculous than the first 2.
Let's start with Wade Robson whom you are defending. Have you ever participated in a Criminal Trial?? Do you know it's a crime to claim you LIED in a criminal trial. Wade Robson walked into a Criminal Trial in 2005 as an ADULT and testified for the defense WHEN HE DIDN'T HAVE TO. He said MJ NEVER TOUCHED him. So now he said he PERJURED himself in a CRIMINAL TRIAL by saying he LIED. That alone should make you question his story. Now let's add, Wade wanting to GET MARRIED AT Neverland, dating MJ's niece, and doing tributes to MJ when he died. Forget about him not selected for MJ's Musical One in 2011 then coming up with his accusation. The fact he is saying HE LIED already should make you question his story. This is WHO you are defending.
Let's start with James Safechuck. James family was sued in 2014 and they HE got on board with Wade. But lets look at James tale. James couldn't even get his story together when he wrote his script and that's what happened when you RUSH. 🤣James was born February 28, 1978. When the Chandler case started in August 1993, James would have been 15 1/2 years old. James claims he was molested or as it put it had "sex" with Michael on the 2nd floor of this Train House. The permits PROVE the Train House DID NOT exist at Neverland until mid 1994. So James timeline of 1988 to 1992 IS A LIE. Add during the Chandler investigation, James Safechuck DEFENDED MJ. He and his mother. In fact when Michael was in Budapest with Lisa Marie in August 1994, James 16 1/2 and taller than MJ, and his mother WERE BOTH THERE as James had odd jobs, 1 of which CARRYING MJ'S UMBRELLA. 🤣 It's obvious why James is TRYING to get money from MJ now. IF he was "paid off" do you think he would have a job like that?🤣 This is WHO you are defending.
Michael Jackson is innocent period
Still why would a grown man want to sleep with kids , like that part alone don’t sit right with me
Exactly. Then if you know, you not guilty then, why give up money for something you didn’t do ? That don’t sit right with me either. Jus being honest
People do anything for money
I agree. Michael was stuck in childhood he never got to grow up normally, he played with kids because he saw himself as them. It doesn’t make it right to sleep next to those kids, but I generally think he didn’t do anything sexual. I think it is the wrong move to lay with the kids though just to protect himself from any issues like this. But I don’t think he thought of that
I'm not so sure about that - MJ _'wanting to sleep with kids?'_ Let me give an example. My nephews come and sleep in my bed, whenever I'm at their place or they're at mine. *They* want to sleep in my bed. *I don't want them to...* I like my space (but their kids so I let them get away with it). I'm guessing it was the same with MJ, and so instead of a _'grown man wanting to sleep with kids'_ it's most likely, those kids wanting to sleep in his bed. Similar statement, but the situations are very different. An even more extreme example - pedohphiles want to sleep with kids, but we can't say kids want to sleep with pedophiles...
@@Thesilentvoice... Being stuck in childhood has nothing to do with wanting to be around kids lol I BARELY had a childhood and I have no desire to be around kids like that
Is this a re-upload???
Yes
Michaels only mistake was to open the doors of his house to a lot of people and most of those people took advantage of that and betrayed him. Look into who these two guys were, they are going against the MJJ state, not Michael.
And if u are like jeannie and tamera says if u are going to do a documentary then doing it without MJ but this shouldn't be about michael. Necessarily and also what loni said was great and Adrienne said well about Austin about the one guy which was true about him saying crap after 10 years.
Also the kids they have nothing wrong or bad to say about they're father so that tell u that he wasn't that type of person so just like loni said let the man rest in peace
Happy 😃 Mardi 🍎 😢
I didnt watch cause i know it’s not true
I hated the documentary. I 💖 Oprah Winfrey She made an mistake for interviewing James & Wade , Its too painful to watch by me an fan of Michael Jackson I'm angry & hated this
I used to like Oprah, after this she can go to hell, Oprah used michael, his mother and his daughter, they opened the doors to their home and then she goes and does this??? It disgusting
I want to put the SAME scrutiny under the so called "victims" that MJ is put under. They are so obsessed with making MJ guilty that they DON'T even want to look at the "victims'" own stories. But they defend these "stranger" on the internet like they know these accusing families. 🤣Let me show you how FAKE these "victims" are if you look into their OWN stories.
1. Tell me what do you know about the 1st case in 1993 and the "father" of the boy Evan Chandler? Tell me what you know about him? If you say nothing, then stay out of PUSHING Jordan Chandler as a "victim?" Do you know Evan Chandler DRUGGED Jordan with Sodium Amytal to make the first accusation??? Do you know Jordan said nothing happened UNTIL he was administered this drug?? Evan is on tape saying "If I go through this, I WIN BIG...I will get everything I want." Is this something you would say as a parent???
Evan Chandler also tried to kill Jordy in 2005 and you can find the complaint that Jordy filed against him in the case of Jordan Chandler vs Evan Chandler at Justia Law. Jodan has told friends it never happened. Go watch Square One. So you are defending Evan Chandler who drugged Jordy and then tried to kill him. This is who you are defending?
2. What do you know about the 2005 case involving the Arvizo's?? Do you know how they got in MJ's life in 2000 by saying it was Gavin's "Dying Wish" to meet Michael Jackson as they CLAIMED he had 2 weeks to live. Do you realize the entire family would claimed it was MJ who SAVED his life?? On the Bashir doc that aired on U.S. TV on February 6, 2003, they discussed it. How they asked MJ if Gavin could call him "Dad." Then they would claim AFTER this doc aired, Michael would kidnap them and it was at this they claimed MJ molested Gavin for the FIRST TIME when an investigation was launched. Receipts were producing of them out in PUBLIC during their "kidnapping" and it KILLED their 2005 case. This is who you are defending.
3. Now we are on to the NEXT lie of James Safechuck and Wade Robson. These 2 are more ridiculous than the first 2.
Let's start with Wade Robson whom you are defending. Have you ever participated in a Criminal Trial?? Do you know it's a crime to claim you LIED in a criminal trial. Wade Robson walked into a Criminal Trial in 2005 as an ADULT and testified for the defense WHEN HE DIDN'T HAVE TO. He said MJ NEVER TOUCHED him. So now he said he PERJURED himself in a CRIMINAL TRIAL by saying he LIED. That alone should make you question his story. Now let's add, Wade wanting to GET MARRIED AT Neverland, dating MJ's niece, and doing tributes to MJ when he died. Forget about him not selected for MJ's Musical One in 2011 then coming up with his accusation. The fact he is saying HE LIED already should make you question his story. This is WHO you are defending.
Let's start with James Safechuck. James family was sued in 2014 and they HE got on board with Wade. But lets look at James tale. James couldn't even get his story together when he wrote his script and that's what happened when you RUSH. 🤣James was born February 28, 1978. When the Chandler case started in August 1993, James would have been 15 1/2 years old. James claims he was molested or as it put it had "sex" with Michael on the 2nd floor of this Train House. The permits PROVE the Train House DID NOT exist at Neverland until mid 1994. So James timeline of 1988 to 1992 IS A LIE. Add during the Chandler investigation, James Safechuck DEFENDED MJ. He and his mother. In fact when Michael was in Budapest with Lisa Marie in August 1994, James 16 1/2 and taller than MJ, and his mother WERE BOTH THERE as James had odd jobs, 1 of which CARRYING MJ'S UMBRELLA. 🤣 It's obvious why James is TRYING to get money from MJ now. IF he was "paid off" do you think he would have a job like that?🤣 This is WHO you are defending.
Loni really grossed me out in this episode, continually repeating the phrase ‘real sexual assault’ how can you invalidate someone’s experience this way? How is it not clear to people that these men probably were afraid of MJ and it was probably much easier to tell this story without fear of what he can do? Yes people see him as a sweet idealistic childlike pop star but he also had POWER. Don’t forget that.
Or maybe she was just looking at both sides. Those allegations are false. And there is a documentary to prove it, you should watch lies of leaving neverland.
Also the producer literally admitted on tape that it was for money…
Also wades case has been debunked twice in court… in present time, not when Michael Jackson was alive
kmcd You made that up. They never said that they were afraid of MJ, nobody was afraid of him. Chandlers Arvizos and all those ex-employees who accused him were not afraid of him, nothing ever happened to them so what power are you even talking about? MJ was not some Al Capone you imagine him to be
kmcd Real sexual assault victims do not do what these two frauds have done since 2012. you have no idea. And Jackson was not some mobster. For god's sake
That last comment from Loni.. in hindsight Loni could have been more considerate to sexual assault victims and her choice of words all through the segment just missed the mark for me. She had some good points but was just insensitive in general..
Nah, she didn’t say anything that wasn’t true
I dont care what yall say but that man was very much guilty, I believe the victims
he got proven not guilty, cia investigated and searched his house for 5 years and found nothing. All the victims lied for money
@@amrit-2865 more like 13 and a little more but agree!!!
I want to put the SAME scrutiny under the so called "victims" that MJ is put under. They are so obsessed with making MJ guilty that they DON'T even want to look at the "victims'" own stories. But they defend these "stranger" on the internet like they know these accusing families. 🤣Let me show you how FAKE these "victims" are if you look into their OWN stories.
1. Tell me what do you know about the 1st case in 1993 and the "father" of the boy Evan Chandler? Tell me what you know about him? If you say nothing, then stay out of PUSHING Jordan Chandler as a "victim?" Do you know Evan Chandler DRUGGED Jordan with Sodium Amytal to make the first accusation??? Do you know Jordan said nothing happened UNTIL he was administered this drug?? Evan is on tape saying "If I go through this, I WIN BIG...I will get everything I want." Is this something you would say as a parent???
Evan Chandler also tried to kill Jordy in 2005 and you can find the complaint that Jordy filed against him in the case of Jordan Chandler vs Evan Chandler at Justia Law. Jodan has told friends it never happened. Go watch Square One. So you are defending Evan Chandler who drugged Jordy and then tried to kill him. This is who you are defending?
2. What do you know about the 2005 case involving the Arvizo's?? Do you know how they got in MJ's life in 2000 by saying it was Gavin's "Dying Wish" to meet Michael Jackson as they CLAIMED he had 2 weeks to live. Do you realize the entire family would claimed it was MJ who SAVED his life?? On the Bashir doc that aired on U.S. TV on February 6, 2003, they discussed it. How they asked MJ if Gavin could call him "Dad." Then they would claim AFTER this doc aired, Michael would kidnap them and it was at this they claimed MJ molested Gavin for the FIRST TIME when an investigation was launched. Receipts were producing of them out in PUBLIC during their "kidnapping" and it KILLED their 2005 case. This is who you are defending.
3. Now we are on to the NEXT lie of James Safechuck and Wade Robson. These 2 are more ridiculous than the first 2.
Let's start with Wade Robson whom you are defending. Have you ever participated in a Criminal Trial?? Do you know it's a crime to claim you LIED in a criminal trial. Wade Robson walked into a Criminal Trial in 2005 as an ADULT and testified for the defense WHEN HE DIDN'T HAVE TO. He said MJ NEVER TOUCHED him. So now he said he PERJURED himself in a CRIMINAL TRIAL by saying he LIED. That alone should make you question his story. Now let's add, Wade wanting to GET MARRIED AT Neverland, dating MJ's niece, and doing tributes to MJ when he died. Forget about him not selected for MJ's Musical One in 2011 then coming up with his accusation. The fact he is saying HE LIED already should make you question his story. This is WHO you are defending.
Let's start with James Safechuck. James family was sued in 2014 and they HE got on board with Wade. But lets look at James tale. James couldn't even get his story together when he wrote his script and that's what happened when you RUSH. 🤣James was born February 28, 1978. When the Chandler case started in August 1993, James would have been 15 1/2 years old. James claims he was molested or as it put it had "sex" with Michael on the 2nd floor of this Train House. The permits PROVE the Train House DID NOT exist at Neverland until mid 1994. So James timeline of 1988 to 1992 IS A LIE. Add during the Chandler investigation, James Safechuck DEFENDED MJ. He and his mother. In fact when Michael was in Budapest with Lisa Marie in August 1994, James 16 1/2 and taller than MJ, and his mother WERE BOTH THERE as James had odd jobs, 1 of which CARRYING MJ'S UMBRELLA. 🤣 It's obvious why James is TRYING to get money from MJ now. IF he was "paid off" do you think he would have a job like that?🤣 This is WHO you are defending.
Even though you aren't an investigator lol. Typical hater and so biased right there
First sane comment I have read on this post
Well you didn’t hold him accountable when he was alive. Don’t give me the bullshit about his ability to defend himself in death. His Neverland staff knows. His sister knows. His mother knows.
You clearly haven’t done your research
I want to put the SAME scrutiny under the so called "victims" that MJ is put under. They are so obsessed with making MJ guilty that they DON'T even want to look at the "victims'" own stories. But they defend these "stranger" on the internet like they know these accusing families. 🤣Let me show you how FAKE these "victims" are if you look into their OWN stories.
1. Tell me what do you know about the 1st case in 1993 and the "father" of the boy Evan Chandler? Tell me what you know about him? If you say nothing, then stay out of PUSHING Jordan Chandler as a "victim?" Do you know Evan Chandler DRUGGED Jordan with Sodium Amytal to make the first accusation??? Do you know Jordan said nothing happened UNTIL he was administered this drug?? Evan is on tape saying "If I go through this, I WIN BIG...I will get everything I want." Is this something you would say as a parent???
Evan Chandler also tried to kill Jordy in 2005 and you can find the complaint that Jordy filed against him in the case of Jordan Chandler vs Evan Chandler at Justia Law. Jodan has told friends it never happened. Go watch Square One. So you are defending Evan Chandler who drugged Jordy and then tried to kill him. This is who you are defending?
2. What do you know about the 2005 case involving the Arvizo's?? Do you know how they got in MJ's life in 2000 by saying it was Gavin's "Dying Wish" to meet Michael Jackson as they CLAIMED he had 2 weeks to live. Do you realize the entire family would claimed it was MJ who SAVED his life?? On the Bashir doc that aired on U.S. TV on February 6, 2003, they discussed it. How they asked MJ if Gavin could call him "Dad." Then they would claim AFTER this doc aired, Michael would kidnap them and it was at this they claimed MJ molested Gavin for the FIRST TIME when an investigation was launched. Receipts were producing of them out in PUBLIC during their "kidnapping" and it KILLED their 2005 case. This is who you are defending.
3. Now we are on to the NEXT lie of James Safechuck and Wade Robson. These 2 are more ridiculous than the first 2.
Let's start with Wade Robson whom you are defending. Have you ever participated in a Criminal Trial?? Do you know it's a crime to claim you LIED in a criminal trial. Wade Robson walked into a Criminal Trial in 2005 as an ADULT and testified for the defense WHEN HE DIDN'T HAVE TO. He said MJ NEVER TOUCHED him. So now he said he PERJURED himself in a CRIMINAL TRIAL by saying he LIED. That alone should make you question his story. Now let's add, Wade wanting to GET MARRIED AT Neverland, dating MJ's niece, and doing tributes to MJ when he died. Forget about him not selected for MJ's Musical One in 2011 then coming up with his accusation. The fact he is saying HE LIED already should make you question his story. This is WHO you are defending.
Let's start with James Safechuck. James family was sued in 2014 and they HE got on board with Wade. But lets look at James tale. James couldn't even get his story together when he wrote his script and that's what happened when you RUSH. 🤣James was born February 28, 1978. When the Chandler case started in August 1993, James would have been 15 1/2 years old. James claims he was molested or as it put it had "sex" with Michael on the 2nd floor of this Train House. The permits PROVE the Train House DID NOT exist at Neverland until mid 1994. So James timeline of 1988 to 1992 IS A LIE. Add during the Chandler investigation, James Safechuck DEFENDED MJ. He and his mother. In fact when Michael was in Budapest with Lisa Marie in August 1994, James 16 1/2 and taller than MJ, and his mother WERE BOTH THERE as James had odd jobs, 1 of which CARRYING MJ'S UMBRELLA. 🤣 It's obvious why James is TRYING to get money from MJ now. IF he was "paid off" do you think he would have a job like that?🤣 This is WHO you are defending.
WTF are you talking about!!??
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