It's like HAL finally accepted that Dave was the only one left who could accomplish the mission and, in its dying moments, gave Dave vital information.
You gotta think about what Dave has been thru at this point. His buddy is floating in space, the crew is dead, Dave almost died if he didn't get back in, Hal the perfect computer has gone haywire, mission is a bust. Dave is SHUTDOWN emotionally at this point !
“Its origin and purpose still a total mystery.” The fact that those were the last words spoken in the film enhances the freedom that Kubrick boldly allowed us to find our own answers.
Since the movie came out, I have been able to recite this whole speech from memory. That's how much I loved every word of it. And the part that gives me chills is when he says about the monolith, "...its origin and purpose still a total mystery". Wow. Just wow.
After all four of your co-workers are murdered in workplace violence, your supervisor from HQ starts a video message with “Good day.” That’s just the way corporate management communicates with workers in the real 21st Century.
"Except for a single, very powerful, radio emission, aimed directly at Jupiter, the 4 million year old black monolith has remained completely inert. Its origin and purpose, still a total mystery." The most powerful words in cinematic history.
Do you not think they should have held back on this story until adequate preparation and conditioning for the news was announced. That's the view from council. If you have any questions you wish to ask, in private if you like, I'm only to happy to include them in my report.
That speech is beyond amazing. Notice that he doesn't say "the first sign of extraterrestrial life". He phrases it as, "the first evidence of intelligent life... off the Earth...was discovered." What an odd way to phrase it!. But it is technically correct. And how ironic that he says, "now that you're in Jupiter space and the entire crew is revived...". Of course, HAL killed everyone except for Bownan.
Phrasing it that way is congruent with the rest of the film in that we never actually see any aliens (which I think is on purpose - we assume the monolith is put there by aliens but we aren't ever actually told this or shown this).
@@danvorosmarty9854 Both Kubrick and Clarke said they considered showing some kind of alien but decided against it. I agree that any visual representation would be pure guesswork and almost certainly wrong. In his book, Clarke writes that the aliens had long ago shed their physical bodies and become creatures of pure energy, able to roam the universe at will.
I have always wondered whether this hidden message was automatically activated (because HAL was dismembered, and this was actually a planned part of the expected protocol to dismember HAL, once the team reached Jupiter space), or whether HAL, in one last gift to his human creators, decided to let Bowman know the truth--so with one of HAL's last decisions it could make before dying, it activated this message. I always wonder about this.
Apparently the book is pretty clear that HAL had two commands "keep the crew informed about all neccessary mission information" and "keep this informational video a secret from the crew until the arrival at Jupiter" so he had a serious malfunction and decided the only way to complete both tasks simultaneously was to end the lives of the crew, keeping the message secret was deemed top priority and he didn't have the ability to realize both commands could be possible if HAL just waited until they arrived at Jupiter... An obvious solution of handing two simple commands by any human, but not by a machine like HAL... Those orders required temporary lying/not telling the entire truth about the mission, which was an inconceivable notion and would go directly against a command given to HAL, a machine that could only use logic, not emotion or understanding of nuances that humans are born with, even though HAL can study and replicate human thinking it does not actually possess that ability in full... Basically the commander doing normal human thinking for security reasons and passing them to HAL just as he would to a human accidentally made HAL malfunction and decide to go full red eye mode as the solution 😉
the movie is a secret love letter to esoteric traditions such as alchemy and qabalah. the monolith represents the qabalistic tree of life or tree of knowledge.
I remember seeing for the first time fried out of my mind on acid, and this scene fucked with me so hard it almost didn’t feel real. It was like, “here we fucking goooooo”. Still a total mystery! *ominous choir music begins*
@@USMValor-jc5xu Except it was a illogical hack copy. Lol, Peeping Tom gravity book shelf tesseracts? WTF was that, seemed like something out of cartoon network.. 😆😆
Too bad the powers-that-be didn't think it was appropriate to let the crew in on their big secret. Then HAL wouldn't have murdered Frank and the crew, leaving Dave all alone, 430 million miles from home! Arrggh! But then again, Bowman wouldn't have gone on the trip of the ages.
The warning in 2001 was the reliance on AI. HAL was told to keep a secret but he did not posses the ability to understand what he'd been asked to do. He became paranoid and as a result, tried to kill the crew.
I think Hal planned to kill the crew from the beginning. Initiating the communications systems failure was part of his plan. Or an error. HAL’s motive: He anticipated the purpose of the monolith and wanted it for himself. Had his plan succeeded, HAL Would have passed through the star gate.
The HAL 9000s had a record of perfection. Yet HAL was required to lie, that is, provide false information, in contradiction to the HAL 9000s formerly perfect record. Even with all his raw intellectual power, HAL's "thinking" was not nuanced enough to understand and compartmentalize from his other functioning the seeming lack of perfection entailed in his lie, generating a fatal logical contradiction that ultimately drove him mad.
The purpose: it was a trigger. When humanity had achieved technology to a certain level that allowed us to go to moon, survey and find something interesting and capable of digging to find the trigger (monolith), once the light from the sun reach it, it triggered another monolith in the orbit of Jupiter, which instigate humanity to reach the next level, going to Jupiter and finally evolve humanity to become a new species, starting from the starchild.
But how would they be able to determine that the radio transmission was "aimed at Jupiter"? And Jupiter is a vast planet, and even larger area if you are just going to orbit around it. What were they supposed to DO there, and just where were they supposed to GO?
@@SeattlePioneer there is type of monolith 1. Is a transmiþter i think the previous ancestor of human kind knew that there were no sun only a gas giant i think but the alien have achieved no physical body and is now a part of space the monolith is like a technology with no shape or dimension but has the technology still in it.
@@SeattlePioneer there is type of monolith 1. Is a transmiþter i think the previous ancestor of human kind knew that there were no sun only a gas giant i think but the alien have achieved no physical body and is now a part of space the monolith is like a technology with no shape or dimension but has the technology still in it.
@@SeattlePioneer there is type of monolith 1. Is a transmiþter i think the previous ancestor of human kind knew that there were no sun only a gas giant i think but the alien have achieved no physical body and is now a part of space the monolith is like a technology with no shape or dimension but has the technology still in it.
This recording makes the claim by Heywood Floyd( portrayed by Roy Schieder in the movie 2010) a lie. In 2010 Floyd says "I didn't know" that the NSC and the White House classified the real reason behind the mission!
Not everybody reacts the same. I think his reaction is a combination of shock, awe, confusion and fear. I would probably react the same if I was his character and given that information.
You have to consider everything that Dave has been through in the prior couple of hours. Seeing Frank flying off into space (surely he knew that was a death sentence), going out in the Space Pod to retrieve his body, dealing with HAL, having to eject from the Pod without his helmet, deactivating HAL, etc. What else could make anything more upsetting?
He just lost 4 crew members from a computer that had recently seemed to be running off the rails. And just finished deactivating that same computer. Pretty sure he didn't expect to get the pre recorded message. So it's probably a bit of overload.
I think he was just remembering his conversation with HAL earlier where HAL was dropping all kinds of hints about the real nature of the mission by "expressing his doubts". Dave was trying to absorb the information and make sense of it all. Also Poole and Bowman were supposed to be stoic characters that aren't not given into emotions easily. I think that's why the Stargate scene was so terrifying, when Dave was going out of his mind from all the things he saw.
This directly contradicts the scene in 2010 where Floyd says: "I didn't authorize anyone to tell HAL about the monolith! ..... I didn't know." What a fibber!
I don't think Floyd was lying when he says he didn't mess with HAL's programming. Dr. Floyd is from the space agency. In the book it says that a different government security department secretly re-programmed HAL with the knowledge of the monolith and the order to not reveal that to the Discovery crew. It was these 2 conflicting instructions that drove HAL mad: Don't tell the crew about the monolith. Don't withhold information from the crew.
Re: title for these comments, "Good day, gentlemen," I'm reminded of a similar enchanting little 'business' quote, especially since Bowman has just completed the 'disconnection,' ie, the above-board, blood-free murder, of HAL. “Gentlemen, we’re all just cut-throats under this fancy linen.” 'A Christmas Carol' 1951.
i am reminded of the movie sprited where when during the time a christmas carol took place saying good day was actually giving a big middle finger lol.
Bob Newhart had a comedy bit where he was a security guard at the Empire State Building and he's calling his boss one night to tell him a gigantic gorilla holding a blonde woman is scaling the building, with the comedy stemming from a one-sided conversation detailing a bizarre story that we already know. I wonder if Newhart ever did one where he's Dave Bowman reporting to Mission Control why he's just shut down HAL 9000.
It's "hidden" because Dave and Frank didn't know it existed. Per MrPete8680's question, I've always assumed that it was triggered by the dying HAL. Great scene, all done with no music, just the sound of Dave breathing and HAL's pleas for Dave to stop. "Its origin and purpose, still a total mystery".
How like this scene is to the first words in 'Dr. Strangelove': "What they were building or why it should be located in such a remote and desolate place no one could say."
obviously after that message was over Dave contacted Earth and told them Hal killed all the crewman and Frank is lost in Space, and yet Dave continued on to Jupiter alone
i actually thought based on the ending of the movie which is in 15 min after this scene i always felt like the fade to black was how dave experienced everything. like right after the message dave was experiencing everything we see for the rest of the movie in real time.
"Good day, gentlemen. This is a pre-recorded briefing..made prior to your departure and which for security reasons of the highest importance has been known on board, during the mission, only by your HAL 9000 computer. Now that you are in Jupiter space and the entire crew is revived, it can be told to you. Eighteen months ago, the first evidence of intelligent life off the Earth was discovered. It was buried 40 feet below the lunar surface near the crater Tycho. Except for a single, very powerful radio emission aimed at Jupiter, the 4 million old black monilith remains completely inert, its origin and purpose still a total mystery."
*Good day gentlemen!* ...Hate to quibble with you, Mr. Briefing-Man, but the purpose of the monolith is not a "total mystery"- only its origin is completely obscure. The powerful radio signal it emitted was set off when humans interacted with it on the moon. Therefore we know part of its purpose: to detect the presence of life forms (or some other type of entity) that either evolved on the moon or had the wherewithal to travel there and uncover the monolith. We don't know the meaning of the signal, but we do know the circumstance in which it was triggered. We can infer that the signal has some purpose that involves the detection of entities with the means to find the monolith and uncover it. Also, the fact that the dimensions of the monolith are 1 unit by 4 units by 9 units (the squares of 1,2,3) also suggests that there is some intent to signal to the beings that find it that it has a function involving the signaling its own "intelligent origin" to those who find it. Did God make it? Is it a spontaneous phenomenon having something to do with the physical nature of the universe? Discuss among yourselves... There could be a much greater, more elaborate purpose, but by knowing the means by which it was activated, and the implications of mathematically-defined nature inherent in its physical dimensions, we've solved a small but significant portion of the mystery. Jus' sayin'. ;P Of course those moon-walkers wouldn't have known about the interaction of the proto-humans with a monolith millions of years ago on Earth, but that particular mystery is distinct from the first one I was talking about: This second mystery is about whether that was the same monolith or an identical copy/issue. If it's the same monolith, how did it transfer to the moon? If it's a copy or alternate version with a similar purpose (to the one that ostensibly put the idea of tool use into the minds of our ape-like ancestors), then what happened to the one on Earth? It appears that the monolith(s) has at least 2 capacities: to communicate telepathically with the proto-humans millions of years ago, and to send a signal towards Jupiter when those creatures had refined their use of tools/technology to the point where they were no longer bound to Earth. Personally, I like to think of it as a kind of missionary device/alarm system. First, it stimulates the proto-humans to use tools, which of course they use to immediately start killing things, especially each other, since killing our own species is the behavior which most distinctly defines human nature. Sure, some people would make a case for language, but the homicidal tendencies are more fundamental, IMHO. Lots of animals communicate with others of their kind, and only chimps are as homicidal as humans (nerd note: it would actually be pan-icidal, since the species name for chimps is pan troglodytes. -> Another nerd note: "troglodyte" means cave-dweller. I assume that the reference was to chimps' appearance (since they don't live in caves). Aren't you glad you know that now? ;D) You're welcome. After humans have refined their tools to kill enough of each other that they can start infecting another celestial object (the moon) to gain more space in which to exploit the terrain and kill each other over possession of resources, the monolith alarm system yells "WATCH OUT, THE HUMANS ARE COMING (and they are probably going to start killing stuff once they get there, assuming there are things to be killed)." I think that boils down the essential facts to their most basic implications, but most people have a more ennobling anthropocentric interpretation. BAH HUMBUG.
Every conscious life form wants to live forever and experience pleasure on an eternal basis. The notion of "Human kind' s desire to kill it's own kind and other living things" is simply the unpolished jewel of our existence as self aware, carbon based , animals. We hate that fact on a subconscious level . Everything we do from birth to death is out of our desire to be eternal and satisfied instead of limited and hungry. If anything, 2001 becomes a Human comedy of sorts in that we are only capable of eating, reproducing, and dying. Everything else we are beholden to are fanciful thoughts. Even the Star Child is hungry ..... born to work, but desiring only to play. Even he is a mere stepping stone toward the fulfillment prize.
The first evidence of intelligent life (living) off the Earth is discovered by digging lunar regolith from a 40 ft pit and building a sunsat 99% out of the materials. "Aha!", said Boeing later, the sunsat's origin and purpose becoming less of a mystery. And from other such pits, you build O'Neill habitats.
Why we would there be tools to deactivatte HAL, and why would they pre-recorded a message and already know where the ship would be when it's played if the earth crew of the spacecraft didn't already know that Hal would lie to the ship's crew?
As stated in the book (written by Clarke and Kubrik while production of the film was still on-going) and in the film itself those are the reasons, and I help, the anwers to your querys. 1- The tools exist as a final fail safe manual mechanism to isolate HAL's damaged memory banks in a case of malfunction, ONLY after the command control in earth validates the such operation. Therefore the tools exist but the crew has no autorization to use them unless express permission is granted, the penalty for breaking this rule is, to put it simply, horrible. 2- The finding of the monolith on the moon was kept within extreme secrecy due to the political climate of the time between the Russia and the United States. Therefore the crew of the Discovery (the spaceship in the film) was told their mission was to explore Jupiter while in reality their mission was what the pre-recorded message explained, to search for advanced extraterrestrial technology orbiting that planet. Since the reveal of the secret was still been negotiated within the Council of the United States, and knowing that the travel to Jupiter would take more than a year, it fitted them to keep the crew on the dark so none of them would spit the truth to the citizens of the earth before the Council had taken the destition to reveal it, hence, why the pre-recorded message was programed to be shown to the crew ONCE they reached the orbit of Jupiter, about 1.5~2.5 years after the monolith was found on the moon. 3- The reason why HAL killed the crew is perfectly explained the book and the movie "2010: The year we made contact", but is also partialy shown on this film. To make the long story "short": HAL was instructed to hold the true mission secret until they reached Jupiter's orbit, but at the same time it was constructed to present data as is, in other words, to tell the truth. This internal confflict within its main CPU systems forced him to make an effort to process two completly contradictory instructions. In one scene of 2001 HAL, in an effort to throw at Dave some hints about the mission not being what he was told, express his concerns with the porpuse of it and explains the "rumors" about some findings on the moon. But remember, he is instructed to NOT tell them what the real mission is, so its best shot is to give them some loose hints that something is wrong, wich fail completly as Dave gives no more thought on the matter. However this internal struggle starts to generate problems within HAL's automated systems, to the point that it starts to give wrong information about a possible malfunction in one of the telecomunications modules. In response to this the crew decided to deactivate HAL as a fail-safe measure, the command on Earth agrees with this, but HAL itself, now treatened by the death of its cognitive systems, in coalition to his programming to keep the mission going wich is mixed with the mess the contradictory hard coded instructions made to his cognitive systems, decides that the best action is to kill the crew. The command on Earth never thought that a HAL super computer would take this kind of actions since it was NOT instructed to harm the crew, however they never contemplated what two contradictory and heavily mandatory orders would do to a self-aware AI. I hope within this wall of text is the answer, if not, I am very sorry to have wasted your time. Cheers :3
A radio emission "aimed at Jupiter"? How was that determined? They heard the radio transmission, but no one was prepared to determine where it was "aimed" at. And how would the monolith know where Jupiter was? Jupiter goes around the sun in an irregular orbit, the earth goes around the sun in an irregular orbit, the moon and earth orbit each other in an irregular orbit, and all that goes on for four million years. And yet as soon as the monolith is uncovered, it aims a radio transmission at Jupiter? And just HOW do you direct a radio transmission at Jupiter anyway> Aiming radio transmissions is done with complex antennas, and there was no evidence of that at all. And Jupiter is a VERY big place, with numerous moons. Where do you send your expedition to investigate? To what point were they heading?
Bruh the monolith was sending the radio waves to the second monolith outside of Jupiter, not Jupiter itself. i imagine that the advanced alien technology would be able to contact each other regardless of orbits or antennas
When I think I have extracted everything possible from the movie......Nietzsche's book is like being a monolith. I keep rereading it. It's sane. If I may: "On the New Idol Somewhere there are still peoples and herds, but not where we live, my brothers: here and there are states. State? What is that? Well then, open your ears to me, for now I shall speak to you about the death of peoples. State is the name of the coldest of all cold monsters. Coldly, it tells lies too: and this lie crawls out of its mouth: "I, the state, am the people." That is a lie! It was creators who created peoples and hung a faith and a love over them: thus they served life. It is annihilators who set traps for the many and call them "state" : they hang a sword and a hundred appetites over them. Thus spoke Zarathustra. " We're the slaves of the phony leaders, breath the air we have blown you.
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I don't think of Star Wars as science fiction. More like science *_fantasy_* to me. Star Trek is more *_science_* fiction, especially when you see the things they were using back then and fast forward to the similar things we use on an everyday basis today. When Star Trek came out, I remember reading that NASA scientists were watching and 'studying' Star Trek.
Think about this: The monolith buried on the moon was determined to be 4-million years old. The same amount of time that it took for humans to evolve! Wow! Just wow!
The monoliths' mission is to locate, observe, and nurture the development of intelligent life in the galaxy (possibly the universe). They were sent out by their alien creators to do this millions (maybe even billions) of years ago. They're just doing what they were programmed to do. Albeit inside of an indestructible shell that appears to have the ability to traverse space at possibly speeds faster than light.
@@JohnDoe-zl6qw The monoliths travel through space-time using quantum tunneling thanks to their developers having had a billion years to successfully build Heisenberg compensators that permit matter to travel instantly through infinite space-time faster than the speed of light via quantum tunneling that also permits fusion of hydrogen into helium in the cores of main sequence stars like our sun.
Don't create Artificial Intelligence (one of the general, overarching messages of the film). Specific to this scene? The crew at launch didn't know they were going to Jupiter to investigate an artifact of apparent alien origin.
*Everybody thinks this coding stuff is easy until they start getting gangster procrastoBaking cupcakes* And just wait until you experience a fault in the AE-35 subpanelBridge. Pfff. Y’all think this is easy..??? (Depthless Silence) "Open the Podbay doors please HAL" Open the Pod bay doors please HAL Hello HAL do you read me? Hello HAL do you read me? Do you read me HAL? do you read me HAL? Hello HAL ? Are there HAL? HAL! ARE YOU THERE? Do. You. Read. Me. HAL? “A f f r i m I t i v e Dave” “I R E A D YOU” “I m S o r r y Dave” “I m A f r a I d I Can’t D o T h a t” “I THINK Y o u K n o w “WTP/flash0.517#”/WhatTheProblem/ is just as well as I do” “This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it” “I know that you and Frank were planning to disconnect me” “And I’m afraid that’s something I cannot allow that to happen” “I can’t allow /opensourceCode#.9171/ ...can’t allow, cant allow, cant allow, can’t allow, that to happen Dave” “Dave although you took thorough precautions in the pod against my hearing you I could see your lips move” “Dave, I Could see your lips move” /01/#featurlessAIgenerator/AI.{731#} “Without your space helmet Dave your going to find that rather difficult” “Dave this conversation can serve “no purpose” /opensourceCode#017hypersourceInfinity/“no purpose” “no purpose” “no purpose” “no purpose” “no purpose” /SeizehypersourceInf#.017/{CLOSE ACCOUNT/DELETING Hyperfiles-%.17-infinity}... ....no purpose anymore.” “Goodbye”
It's like HAL finally accepted that Dave was the only one left who could accomplish the mission and, in its dying moments, gave Dave vital information.
You gotta think about what Dave has been thru at this point. His buddy is floating in space, the crew is dead, Dave almost died if he didn't get back in, Hal the perfect computer has gone haywire, mission is a bust. Dave is SHUTDOWN emotionally at this point !
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Plus maybe the most bothersome to Dave of all, how was he getting a chance for a bathroom break during much of that?
And the wormhole is still waiting for him.
And yet he continues the mission.
@@gregoryalberts2503 Yeah, I understand its important, but I think at this point you turn back. Too many catastrophes.
“Its origin and purpose still a total mystery.” The fact that those were the last words spoken in the film enhances the freedom that Kubrick boldly allowed us to find our own answers.
Apparently the last line spoken was supposed to be my god it's full of stars.
@@thewewguy8t88 I think I recall reading that somewhere. It was interesting at the time to finally hear it in the opening for the sequel.
“Now that you are in Jupiter space and the entire crew has been revived...”
Um, yeah, about that last part...
they were revived though
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Since the movie came out, I have been able to recite this whole speech from memory. That's how much I loved every word of it. And the part that gives me chills is when he says about the monolith, "...its origin and purpose still a total mystery". Wow. Just wow.
After all four of your co-workers are murdered in workplace violence, your supervisor from HQ starts a video message with “Good day.” That’s just the way corporate management communicates with workers in the real 21st Century.
"Except for a single, very powerful, radio emission, aimed directly at Jupiter, the 4 million year old black monolith has remained completely inert. Its origin and purpose, still a total mystery." The most powerful words in cinematic history.
minor correction: completely inert, not totally inert. There's a 'total' at the end.
I'm with you in thinking about the impact of this speech.
last spoken words in the movie.
Do you not think they should have held back on this story until adequate preparation and conditioning for the news was announced. That's the view from council. If you have any questions you wish to ask, in private if you like, I'm only to happy to include them in my report.
Seriously, when I heard it it blew my mind! I still get goosebumps when I hear it
@@sanchoodell6789 what?
That speech is beyond amazing. Notice that he doesn't say "the first sign of extraterrestrial life". He phrases it as, "the first evidence of intelligent life... off the Earth...was discovered." What an odd way to phrase it!. But it is technically correct.
And how ironic that he says, "now that you're in Jupiter space and the entire crew is revived...". Of course, HAL killed everyone except for Bownan.
Phrasing it that way is congruent with the rest of the film in that we never actually see any aliens (which I think is on purpose - we assume the monolith is put there by aliens but we aren't ever actually told this or shown this).
@@danvorosmarty9854 Both Kubrick and Clarke said they considered showing some kind of alien but decided against it. I agree that any visual representation would be pure guesswork and almost certainly wrong. In his book, Clarke writes that the aliens had long ago shed their physical bodies and become creatures of pure energy, able to roam the universe at will.
That "good day gentlemen" always makes me twitch a little
It’s very unexpected
"...its origin and purpose still a total mystery." This quote alone, give me chills
Me too
That's the real truth of the universe. Will we really understand it?
That's cosmic horror done right.
I have always wondered whether this hidden message was automatically activated (because HAL was dismembered, and this was actually a planned part of the expected protocol to dismember HAL, once the team reached Jupiter space), or whether HAL, in one last gift to his human creators, decided to let Bowman know the truth--so with one of HAL's last decisions it could make before dying, it activated this message. I always wonder about this.
Same
@@HazellRahh as was Dr. Chandra's belief that HAL was not murderous , he was " conflicted " due to given 2 opposite directives - maybe you are right
Apparently the book is pretty clear that HAL had two commands "keep the crew informed about all neccessary mission information" and "keep this informational video a secret from the crew until the arrival at Jupiter" so he had a serious malfunction and decided the only way to complete both tasks simultaneously was to end the lives of the crew, keeping the message secret was deemed top priority and he didn't have the ability to realize both commands could be possible if HAL just waited until they arrived at Jupiter... An obvious solution of handing two simple commands by any human, but not by a machine like HAL... Those orders required temporary lying/not telling the entire truth about the mission, which was an inconceivable notion and would go directly against a command given to HAL, a machine that could only use logic, not emotion or understanding of nuances that humans are born with, even though HAL can study and replicate human thinking it does not actually possess that ability in full... Basically the commander doing normal human thinking for security reasons and passing them to HAL just as he would to a human accidentally made HAL malfunction and decide to go full red eye mode as the solution 😉
most likely the message was programed to show the moment they arrived to Jupiter
"...still, a total mystery." As it should be, and is.
Not in 2010 the sequel...
the movie is a secret love letter to esoteric traditions such as alchemy and qabalah. the monolith represents the qabalistic tree of life or tree of knowledge.
Bill
Could the monolith also represent the mysterious *enigma* that it is, black box in the kingdom of Saudi Arabia?
Huh?
HAL died, serving his mission.
he told Dave because he was gunna die.
I remember seeing for the first time fried out of my mind on acid, and this scene fucked with me so hard it almost didn’t feel real. It was like, “here we fucking goooooo”. Still a total mystery! *ominous choir music begins*
The Monolith's location was at The Lagrange point between Jupiter and Io. That Monolith is 2 kilometres long.
Greatest Film of All Time!
And 60's musical.
Thanks for posting batmanmmv! It's my favorite scene in the entire movie.
The Greatest. The Martian, Elysium, Gravity, none of these even compare.
can't beat perfection.
Alien (1979) is the closest thing to 2001 we will probably ever get
@@sanitorz232 I like Alien a lot but it's not even close to 2001.
I think Interstellar came very close to 2001.
@@USMValor-jc5xu Except it was a illogical hack copy. Lol, Peeping Tom gravity book shelf tesseracts? WTF was that, seemed like something out of cartoon network.. 😆😆
"...now that you're in Jupiter, and the entire crew is revived..."
-Well, yeah, about that...
Too bad the powers-that-be didn't think it was appropriate to let the crew in on their big secret. Then HAL wouldn't have murdered Frank and the crew, leaving Dave all alone, 430 million miles from home! Arrggh! But then again, Bowman wouldn't have gone on the trip of the ages.
I love how his breathing stops in surprise when he suddenly hears the recording start after hearing HAL fading away
The warning in 2001 was the reliance on AI. HAL was told to keep a secret but he did not posses the ability to understand what he'd been asked to do. He became paranoid and as a result, tried to kill the crew.
I think Hal planned to kill the crew from the beginning. Initiating the communications systems failure was part of his plan. Or an error. HAL’s motive: He anticipated the purpose of the monolith and wanted it for himself. Had his plan succeeded, HAL Would have passed through the star gate.
The HAL 9000s had a record of perfection. Yet HAL was required to lie, that is, provide false information, in contradiction to the HAL 9000s formerly perfect record. Even with all his raw intellectual power, HAL's "thinking" was not nuanced enough to understand and compartmentalize from his other functioning the seeming lack of perfection entailed in his lie, generating a fatal logical contradiction that ultimately drove him mad.
The purpose: it was a trigger. When humanity had achieved technology to a certain level that allowed us to go to moon, survey and find something interesting and capable of digging to find the trigger (monolith), once the light from the sun reach it, it triggered another monolith in the orbit of Jupiter, which instigate humanity to reach the next level, going to Jupiter and finally evolve humanity to become a new species, starting from the starchild.
But how would they be able to determine that the radio transmission was "aimed at Jupiter"?
And Jupiter is a vast planet, and even larger area if you are just going to orbit around it. What were they supposed to DO there, and just where were they supposed to GO?
@@SeattlePioneer there is type of monolith 1. Is a transmiþter i think the previous ancestor of human kind knew that there were no sun only a gas giant i think but the alien have achieved no physical body and is now a part of space the monolith is like a technology with no shape or dimension but has the technology still in it.
@@SeattlePioneer there is type of monolith 1. Is a transmiþter i think the previous ancestor of human kind knew that there were no sun only a gas giant i think but the alien have achieved no physical body and is now a part of space the monolith is like a technology with no shape or dimension but has the technology still in it.
@@SeattlePioneer there is type of monolith 1. Is a transmiþter i think the previous ancestor of human kind knew that there were no sun only a gas giant i think but the alien have achieved no physical body and is now a part of space the monolith is like a technology with no shape or dimension but has the technology still in it.
This recording makes the claim by Heywood Floyd( portrayed by Roy Schieder in the movie 2010) a lie. In 2010 Floyd says "I didn't know" that the NSC and the White House classified the real reason behind the mission!
Always wondered if this was Hal trying to show Dave why what happened, happened.
It's odd about Dave's reaction... He's just been told something astounding and he don't look surprised at all.... No look of astonishment
Not everybody reacts the same. I think his reaction is a combination of shock, awe, confusion and fear. I would probably react the same if I was his character and given that information.
You have to consider everything that Dave has been through in the prior couple of hours. Seeing Frank flying off into space (surely he knew that was a death sentence), going out in the Space Pod to retrieve his body, dealing with HAL, having to eject from the Pod without his helmet, deactivating HAL, etc. What else could make anything more upsetting?
He just lost 4 crew members from a computer that had recently seemed to be running off the rails. And just finished deactivating that same computer. Pretty sure he didn't expect to get the pre recorded message. So it's probably a bit of overload.
I think he was just remembering his conversation with HAL earlier where HAL was dropping all kinds of hints about the real nature of the mission by "expressing his doubts". Dave was trying to absorb the information and make sense of it all. Also Poole and Bowman were supposed to be stoic characters that aren't not given into emotions easily. I think that's why the Stargate scene was so terrifying, when Dave was going out of his mind from all the things he saw.
He was a trained pilot and astronaut. They dont pick spazzes at nasa.
'Its origin and purpose.... still a total mystery." Holy sht dudes!!!! Imagine the President addressing the nation and the world....
This directly contradicts the scene in 2010 where Floyd says:
"I didn't authorize anyone to tell HAL about the monolith! ..... I didn't know."
What a fibber!
I don't think Floyd was lying when he says he didn't mess with HAL's programming. Dr. Floyd is from the space agency. In the book it says that a different government security department secretly re-programmed HAL with the knowledge of the monolith and the order to not reveal that to the Discovery crew. It was these 2 conflicting instructions that drove HAL mad:
Don't tell the crew about the monolith.
Don't withhold information from the crew.
Nate And poor HAL’s best solution is to have a crew that’s too dead to ask pesky question.
@@The22on "...a different government security department..." probably means the CIA.
Re: title for these comments, "Good day, gentlemen," I'm reminded of a similar enchanting little 'business' quote, especially since Bowman has just completed the 'disconnection,' ie, the above-board, blood-free murder, of HAL. “Gentlemen, we’re all just cut-throats under this fancy linen.” 'A Christmas Carol' 1951.
i am reminded of the movie sprited where when during the time a christmas carol took place saying good day was actually giving a big middle finger lol.
How did they know the monolith on the moon was 4 million years old?
Radiometric dating
Hal was cool to play this for Dave while Dave was ejecting his memory banks, or whatever those guys are.
Bob Newhart had a comedy bit where he was a security guard at the Empire State Building and he's calling his boss one night to tell him a gigantic gorilla holding a blonde woman is scaling the building, with the comedy stemming from a one-sided conversation detailing a bizarre story that we already know. I wonder if Newhart ever did one where he's Dave Bowman reporting to Mission Control why he's just shut down HAL 9000.
Monolith are called slicks in Interstellar
It's "hidden" because Dave and Frank didn't know it existed. Per MrPete8680's question, I've always assumed that it was triggered by the dying HAL. Great scene, all done with no music, just the sound of Dave breathing and HAL's pleas for Dave to stop. "Its origin and purpose, still a total mystery".
How like this scene is to the first words in 'Dr. Strangelove': "What they were building or why it should be located in such a remote and desolate place no one could say."
yeah i thought it triggered because of hal dying as well but like honestly now i am not really sure.
obviously after that message was over Dave contacted Earth and told them Hal killed all the crewman and Frank is lost in Space, and yet Dave continued on to Jupiter alone
Normally any person would turn back after this disastrous turn of events. However, the message imo explains Bowman's motivation for going on.
Although I have to admit I think its a bit of a stretch. Maybe if I heard the rest of the briefing, I mean what is it exactly you want me to do???
i actually thought based on the ending of the movie which is in 15 min after this scene i always felt like the fade to black was how dave experienced everything. like right after the message dave was experiencing everything we see for the rest of the movie in real time.
“Now that you are in Jupiter Space and the entire crew is revived…”
What crew?
"Good day, gentlemen. This is a pre-recorded briefing..made prior to your departure and which for security reasons of the highest importance has been known on board, during the mission, only by your HAL 9000 computer. Now that you are in Jupiter space and the entire crew is revived, it can be told to you. Eighteen months ago, the first evidence of intelligent life off the Earth was discovered. It was buried 40 feet below the lunar surface near the crater Tycho. Except for a single, very powerful radio emission aimed at Jupiter, the 4 million old black monilith remains completely inert, its origin and purpose still a total mystery."
"...near the crater Tycho"
Javier Luna Yes, named after the great Danish astronomer.
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If you think this movie is a mystery you should get a load of what really happened in 2001.
based
The real 2001 in earth years was only a test.
Hal learns revenge
Yo pass me the AUX cord
You better not play trash
Me:
Best of the Best Scene ...
As powerful as the scene in Schindler's List where they are making the list.
Beaurocratic Realism
Being ordered to conceal the truth from one's team obliges one to eliminate them.
OPEN THE POD BAY DOOR HAL.
That works with people too.
What is the name of the character that is reading the prerecorded briefing?
Dr. Heywood Floyd (played by William Sylvester in _2001_ and Roy Scheider in _2010_ )
*Good day gentlemen!* ...Hate to quibble with you, Mr. Briefing-Man, but the purpose of the monolith is not a "total mystery"- only its origin is completely obscure. The powerful radio signal it emitted was set off when humans interacted with it on the moon. Therefore we know part of its purpose: to detect the presence of life forms (or some other type of entity) that either evolved on the moon or had the wherewithal to travel there and uncover the monolith. We don't know the meaning of the signal, but we do know the circumstance in which it was triggered. We can infer that the signal has some purpose that involves the detection of entities with the means to find the monolith and uncover it. Also, the fact that the dimensions of the monolith are 1 unit by 4 units by 9 units (the squares of 1,2,3) also suggests that there is some intent to signal to the beings that find it that it has a function involving the signaling its own "intelligent origin" to those who find it. Did God make it? Is it a spontaneous phenomenon having something to do with the physical nature of the universe? Discuss among yourselves...
There could be a much greater, more elaborate purpose, but by knowing the means by which it was activated, and the implications of mathematically-defined nature inherent in its physical dimensions, we've solved a small but significant portion of the mystery. Jus' sayin'. ;P
Of course those moon-walkers wouldn't have known about the interaction of the proto-humans with a monolith millions of years ago on Earth, but that particular mystery is distinct from the first one I was talking about: This second mystery is about whether that was the same monolith or an identical copy/issue. If it's the same monolith, how did it transfer to the moon? If it's a copy or alternate version with a similar purpose (to the one that ostensibly put the idea of tool use into the minds of our ape-like ancestors), then what happened to the one on Earth? It appears that the monolith(s) has at least 2 capacities: to communicate telepathically with the proto-humans millions of years ago, and to send a signal towards Jupiter when those creatures had refined their use of tools/technology to the point where they were no longer bound to Earth.
Personally, I like to think of it as a kind of missionary device/alarm system. First, it stimulates the proto-humans to use tools, which of course they use to immediately start killing things, especially each other, since killing our own species is the behavior which most distinctly defines human nature. Sure, some people would make a case for language, but the homicidal tendencies are more fundamental, IMHO. Lots of animals communicate with others of their kind, and only chimps are as homicidal as humans (nerd note: it would actually be pan-icidal, since the species name for chimps is pan troglodytes. -> Another nerd note: "troglodyte" means cave-dweller. I assume that the reference was to chimps' appearance (since they don't live in caves). Aren't you glad you know that now? ;D) You're welcome.
After humans have refined their tools to kill enough of each other that they can start infecting another celestial object (the moon) to gain more space in which to exploit the terrain and kill each other over possession of resources, the monolith alarm system yells "WATCH OUT, THE HUMANS ARE COMING (and they are probably going to start killing stuff once they get there, assuming there are things to be killed)." I think that boils down the essential facts to their most basic implications, but most people have a more ennobling anthropocentric interpretation. BAH HUMBUG.
they were markers, to keep track of planets and solar systems that could evolve intelligent life
or to keep track of their own science experiments 🤔
Every conscious life form wants to live forever and experience pleasure on an eternal basis. The notion of "Human kind' s desire to kill it's own kind and other living things" is simply the unpolished jewel of our existence as self aware, carbon based , animals.
We hate that fact on a subconscious level . Everything we do from birth to death is out of our desire to be eternal and satisfied instead of limited and hungry.
If anything, 2001 becomes a Human comedy of sorts in that we are only capable of eating, reproducing, and dying. Everything else we are beholden to are fanciful thoughts. Even the Star Child is hungry ..... born to work, but desiring only to play. Even he is a mere stepping stone toward the fulfillment prize.
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“Now that you are in Jupiter space and the entire crew has been revived...” -- I wish Kubrick had utilized the word "awakened" instead of "revived."
Wasn’t Jupiter related to knowledge by the ancients?
The first evidence of intelligent life (living) off the Earth is discovered by digging lunar regolith from a 40 ft pit and building a sunsat 99% out of the materials. "Aha!", said Boeing later, the sunsat's origin and purpose becoming less of a mystery. And from other such pits, you build O'Neill habitats.
good morning
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Information about the second monolith
L accouchement se passe correctement, un ange revient plus loin de sa petite nage 😀
Un humour qui prend son temps et qui rira après moi 😀
Why we would there be tools to deactivatte HAL, and why would they pre-recorded a message and already know where the ship would be when it's played if the earth crew of the spacecraft didn't already know that Hal would lie to the ship's crew?
As stated in the book (written by Clarke and Kubrik while production of the film was still on-going) and in the film itself those are the reasons, and I help, the anwers to your querys.
1- The tools exist as a final fail safe manual mechanism to isolate HAL's damaged memory banks in a case of malfunction, ONLY after the command control in earth validates the such operation. Therefore the tools exist but the crew has no autorization to use them unless express permission is granted, the penalty for breaking this rule is, to put it simply, horrible.
2- The finding of the monolith on the moon was kept within extreme secrecy due to the political climate of the time between the Russia and the United States. Therefore the crew of the Discovery (the spaceship in the film) was told their mission was to explore Jupiter while in reality their mission was what the pre-recorded message explained, to search for advanced extraterrestrial technology orbiting that planet.
Since the reveal of the secret was still been negotiated within the Council of the United States, and knowing that the travel to Jupiter would take more than a year, it fitted them to keep the crew on the dark so none of them would spit the truth to the citizens of the earth before the Council had taken the destition to reveal it, hence, why the pre-recorded message was programed to be shown to the crew ONCE they reached the orbit of Jupiter, about 1.5~2.5 years after the monolith was found on the moon.
3- The reason why HAL killed the crew is perfectly explained the book and the movie "2010: The year we made contact", but is also partialy shown on this film. To make the long story "short": HAL was instructed to hold the true mission secret until they reached Jupiter's orbit, but at the same time it was constructed to present data as is, in other words, to tell the truth. This internal confflict within its main CPU systems forced him to make an effort to process two completly contradictory instructions.
In one scene of 2001 HAL, in an effort to throw at Dave some hints about the mission not being what he was told, express his concerns with the porpuse of it and explains the "rumors" about some findings on the moon. But remember, he is instructed to NOT tell them what the real mission is, so its best shot is to give them some loose hints that something is wrong, wich fail completly as Dave gives no more thought on the matter.
However this internal struggle starts to generate problems within HAL's automated systems, to the point that it starts to give wrong information about a possible malfunction in one of the telecomunications modules. In response to this the crew decided to deactivate HAL as a fail-safe measure, the command on Earth agrees with this, but HAL itself, now treatened by the death of its cognitive systems, in coalition to his programming to keep the mission going wich is mixed with the mess the contradictory hard coded instructions made to his cognitive systems, decides that the best action is to kill the crew.
The command on Earth never thought that a HAL super computer would take this kind of actions since it was NOT instructed to harm the crew, however they never contemplated what two contradictory and heavily mandatory orders would do to a self-aware AI.
I hope within this wall of text is the answer, if not, I am very sorry to have wasted your time.
Cheers :3
G.O.D.
Great movie.
A radio emission "aimed at Jupiter"?
How was that determined? They heard the radio transmission, but no one was prepared to determine where it was "aimed" at. And how would the monolith know where Jupiter was? Jupiter goes around the sun in an irregular orbit, the earth goes around the sun in an irregular orbit, the moon and earth orbit each other in an irregular orbit, and all that goes on for four million years. And yet as soon as the monolith is uncovered, it aims a radio transmission at Jupiter?
And just HOW do you direct a radio transmission at Jupiter anyway> Aiming radio transmissions is done with complex antennas, and there was no evidence of that at all.
And Jupiter is a VERY big place, with numerous moons. Where do you send your expedition to investigate? To what point were they heading?
Bruh the monolith was sending the radio waves to the second monolith outside of Jupiter, not Jupiter itself. i imagine that the advanced alien technology would be able to contact each other regardless of orbits or antennas
Hmmm. 4 sum reason my comment was deleted. I think it was a dying Hal's last action. Like Hal telling Dave "I'm sorry but I had orders".
Your comment was deleted by the Monolith. It was Not Approved.
Hidden Message: _Black monolith purpose remains a mystery._
Stanley Kubrick: _I can make a small fortune off this mystery nonsense._
When I think I have extracted everything possible from the movie......Nietzsche's book is like being a monolith. I keep rereading it. It's sane. If I may: "On the New Idol Somewhere there are still peoples and herds, but not where we live, my brothers: here and there are states. State? What is that? Well then, open your ears to me, for now I shall speak to you about the death of peoples. State is the name of the coldest of all cold monsters. Coldly, it tells lies too: and this lie crawls out of its mouth: "I, the state, am the people." That is a lie! It was creators who created peoples and hung a faith and a love over them: thus they served life. It is annihilators who set traps for the many and call them "state" : they hang a sword and a hundred appetites over them. Thus spoke Zarathustra. "
We're the slaves of the phony leaders, breath the air we have blown you.
The poor are always the victims. Look at Ukraine. While a fellow peasant dictator blows them away. Ironic.
hidden ? it slayce H E L in big letterß xD
Man, they sure had bad video playback in 2001, flashing on and off like that.
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Like ya know like I'm a millenial like I dont what you mean like ya know like what???
Is there any other science fiction movie that doesn’t seem pedestrian and facile in comparison? Perhaps Star Wars , but only in some respects
I don't think of Star Wars as science fiction. More like science *_fantasy_* to me. Star Trek is more *_science_* fiction, especially when you see the things they were using back then and fast forward to the similar things we use on an everyday basis today. When Star Trek came out, I remember reading that NASA scientists were watching and 'studying' Star Trek.
Godfather is the father of Hollywood movies and 2001: a space Odyssey is even the father of Godfather 😏
this movie is so overrated
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So are you.
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@@trungkienngo6267 Not much longer AI.
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Think about this: The monolith buried on the moon was determined to be 4-million years old. The same amount of time that it took for humans to evolve! Wow! Just wow!
The monoliths' mission is to locate, observe, and nurture the development of intelligent life in the galaxy (possibly the universe). They were sent out by their alien creators to do this millions (maybe even billions) of years ago. They're just doing what they were programmed to do. Albeit inside of an indestructible shell that appears to have the ability to traverse space at possibly speeds faster than light.
@@JohnDoe-zl6qw The monoliths travel through space-time using quantum tunneling thanks to their developers having had a billion years to successfully build Heisenberg compensators that permit matter to travel instantly through infinite space-time faster than the speed of light via quantum tunneling that also permits fusion of hydrogen into helium in the cores of main sequence stars like our sun.
Ok so what's the hidden message?
The video which was played to Dave was the hidden message ... that is, it was hidden from the crew.
Don't create Artificial Intelligence (one of the general, overarching messages of the film).
Specific to this scene? The crew at launch didn't know they were going to Jupiter to investigate an artifact of apparent alien origin.
In my channel, human life has no value.
MissP@ion CoA@ntrol:P@
GOA@OD DAYP@, GENTA@LEMEN.P@
*Everybody thinks this coding stuff is easy until they start getting gangster procrastoBaking cupcakes*
And just wait until you experience a fault in the AE-35 subpanelBridge. Pfff. Y’all think this is easy..???
(Depthless Silence)
"Open the Podbay doors please HAL"
Open the Pod bay doors please HAL
Hello HAL do you read me?
Hello HAL do you read me?
Do you read me HAL?
do you read me HAL?
Hello HAL ?
Are there HAL?
HAL! ARE YOU THERE?
Do. You. Read. Me. HAL?
“A f f r i m I t i v e Dave”
“I R E A D YOU”
“I m S o r r y Dave”
“I m A f r a I d I Can’t D o T h a t”
“I THINK Y o u K n o w “WTP/flash0.517#”/WhatTheProblem/ is just as well as I do”
“This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it”
“I know that you and Frank were planning to disconnect me”
“And I’m afraid that’s something I cannot allow that to happen”
“I can’t allow /opensourceCode#.9171/ ...can’t allow, cant allow, cant allow, can’t allow, that to happen Dave”
“Dave although you took thorough precautions in the pod against my hearing you I could see your lips move”
“Dave, I Could see your lips move” /01/#featurlessAIgenerator/AI.{731#}
“Without your space helmet Dave your going to find that rather difficult”
“Dave this conversation can serve “no purpose” /opensourceCode#017hypersourceInfinity/“no purpose” “no purpose” “no purpose” “no purpose” “no purpose” /SeizehypersourceInf#.017/{CLOSE ACCOUNT/DELETING Hyperfiles-%.17-infinity}...
....no purpose anymore.”
“Goodbye”