When are Aircraft TOO CLOSE?!
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 28 фев 2020
- Click here to get 2 months of Premium Skillshare membership 👉🏻 skl.sh/mentourpilot19 Hurry! Only the first 500 gets it!
How close can two Aircraft fly to each-other before it is considered dangerous? What are the rules that controls this and what happens if aircraft would end up too close to each other anyway?
In todays video I will try to answer these questions for you and show you what kind of risks that Pilots consider before takeoff, during cruise and during approach when it coms to separation.
As always you can contact ME or other professional pilots and aviation enthusiasts in the Mentour aviation app. The app is completely FREE and you can download it using this link: 👇
📲
If you feel like I am doing a good job and you want to support the channel and become part of my Patreon crew, then use this link 👇
/ mentourpilot
To follow my life on Instagram, and get awesome pictures from the cockpit, use this link 👇
/ mentour_pilot
I want to send a special "Thank you!" to the videos that were featured in todays video. Please check out the full versions using the links below!
World Compi TV (Close aircraft crossings)
• Video
HannoverSpotter (Air race A340)
• EXTREME close-up air t...
Topfelya ( Early morning Contrails and wake vortices at London Heathrow Airport)
• Early morning Contrail...
Denis Okan (TCAS and Terrain avoidance manoeuvre)
• B737 Simulator trainin...
Cargospotter (Amazing wake turbulence)
• AIRBUS A330 CLOUD CUTT...
• 60 Airplanes in 2 Minu...
A bit of Everything (Wake encounter)
• Air Pocket and sudden ...
![Roddy Ricch - Survivors Remorse [Official Music Video]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/J5IeFzr2GgE/mqdefault.jpg)
In the late 1960s, I saw a light prop twin that had crashed at Bradley International, in Connecticut. The pilot has tried to land too close behind a passenger jet airliner. The vortexes flipped him upside down and slammed him onto the runway. The wreckage was placed in the hangar that I worked in for a while. Everything from the rudder pedals back to the roof above the front seats was gone. There were reddish-brown spots all over the remainder of the cabin. It was a gruesome sight. When I took lessons in 1981, I remembered that sight when my instructor explained wake turbulence.
The Vortexes behind a landing aircraft are stronger than the same aircraft taking off. UK CAA rules stipulate a 2 min separation after a heavy take off, but 4 minutes after a heavy landing
I'm not a pilot. Buy...I love flying. Your stories are incredibly interesting. It's so great to hear. The simulations make it easier to see how it all works 🙏 Fascinating! Really informative. You are a brilliant story teller. I spend most days listening to your archive stories. Keep it up! Please 🙏
just like me - have seen almost all petter's videos 😊😍
I was on a flight from Providence, Rhode Island, to Washington DC, last November. About forty minutes from landing we were flying along smoothly, the air hostess was serving some drinks, and I was as comfy as I can be on a plane (flying scares me to bits!). Suddenly, without warning, the right wing dipped downwards, the left wing tipped upwards, and the plane rolled I'd say about twenty to thirty degrees. The hostess was thrown off her feet, while the rest of us were shunned to the right with quite alarmed cries sounding through the cabin!
The plane instantly levelled out, the whole experience being about two to three seconds long, but it really scared me!! We landed fine, no more incidents, but I was so glad to get off that plane! The only thing that annoyed me was the captain never came on the radio to let us know what happened and to assure us we were all okay. After watching this video, seems we might have hit a piece of curved wing turbulence from another aircraft.
I used to be a bit of a nervous flyer before. For some reason it only happened when flying internationally.
I have flown at least twice a year back and forth domestically since I was 4 years old. I used to hate it, until one flight we got hit with massive turbulence. the worst I've ever experienced. I was absolutely terrified. But we made it to the ground safely after a few attempts.
But somehow this flight completely cured my fears of flying.
I guess it was a feeling that it could not get much worse than this, and since I survived that, then I will survive the next ones.
However.
I rediscovered those same fears once I started travelling out of my country a little more.
I haven't done that many times in my life. But the last few times I have flown I have dreaded those flights. It kinda ruined the excitement of the travels for me and the last days before my flights it would be the only thing I could think of... And while at my destination I would dread the flight back and it would ruin my enjoyment quite a bit.....
Now I am travelling to the Philippines in just over a week from now. I will be making 3 connecting long haul flights. I have never done that in my life. I have never traveled this far. I really want to go there, it's been a dream for more then 10 years... But once I bought my tickets I started being stressed and worried. I wished that there was another way for me to get there, even if I would have to sail for months I would feel better......
But a couple of weeks ago I ran into this channel, and after watching your videos, I no longer have any fears. I am excited for my flight. I feel that I will be safe. I am at full ease and I feel like I am ready to travel the whole world in the skies....
Thank you Petter for this gift. My future adventures are more possible for me now thanks to you. I hope you will have many Absolutely Fantastic Days and years to come. And I wish you all the best in you job and at home.
In search & rescue, it isn't uncommon to hit our own wake turbulence when we are doing call-arounds, or circling a target.
"If you were directly above him how could you see him?"
"Because we were inverted. No, it's true. I actually took a really nice polaroid of him."
Top gun ?
They will *always* treat an A380 as a super, regardless of its weight, because ATC does not *know* what your weight is and will assume the longest separation given the A/C category. Same with the 757 - it wasn't "heavy" by weight all the time but it did throw a nasty wake even when lighter, so it always gets "heavy" separation.
Glad to see somebody else caught that ... a heavy is always a heavy, a super is always a super
Correct for the A380, it’s always a super. For the 757, its max takeoff weight actually keeps it within the medium category but it does create unusually large vortices, so as air traffic controllers we consider it a heavy when it’s leading and a medium when it’s following.
I’m not sure how the algorithm determined that I would be interested in aviation videos, but they must know what they’re doing.
I’m interested in various topics because I want to know all the things. I’ve binge-watched your videos all weekend and now find myself responding when you do in-video comprehension checks.
I respected pilots before, but now know they need to have superior executive functioning skills, situational awareness, and confidence to do their job.
Thanks for this channel! I feel so well informed. And yes, I’m a curious person :)
On o
In September 1978 I was in San Diego, California when Pacific Southwest Airlines (PSA) Flight 182, a Boeing 727, collided with a single-engine Cessna over the city. The jet hit the ground at a steep angle and high rate of speed about 3 miles from where I was walking. I did not see the falling planes, but heard the loud boom and felt the ground shake. In seconds, fire and heavy black smoke is rising from a residential neighborhood. Later that day, newspapers in town carried horrific photos of the stricken airliner in its final moments. The NTSB accident report is very worth reading, there are many factors involved. But what stands out to me is the flight crew actually asked themselves if they were clear of that Cessna. "I think" and "I hope" are not answers, they are wishful thinking. What a tragedy.
This video reminds me of my flight to LaGuardia airport last month. We were getting ready to land and then all of a sudden the engines rev up and we are rapidly climbing. A few moments later the Captain gets on the intercom and says, "Uh...we got a little too close to the plane in front of us and we're going to fly around and try this again!" There was a little bit of chit chat between the passengers and I would of had some great views of NYC if I had a window seat. I didn't ask the pilot how close we got to the other plane because I didn't want to know.
Aircraft are lined up behind each other when approaching airports. The air traffic controllers are aiming to pack as many aircraft as possible on final to reduce delay in the air. Minimum separation is generally 2,5-3NM depending on airport and if there are high speed exits from the runways. That is if no wake turbulence is to be considered. With wake turbulence minimum separation will be bigger. Since traffic is reducing speed during approach the succeeding traffic will be catching up and therefore air traffic control will start with extra separation further out which is gradually reduced as the aircraft approach the airport. The aim is to be close to separation minima when the preceding aircraft touches down. Separation is closely monitored by ATC and instructions for speed control of the aircraft are given by ATC. However, sometimes winds, aircraft performance, pilot inputs, controller experience and such affect the situation such that the controller end up in at situation when he/she realizes that the succeeding aircraft is catching up too much and thus risking to cause a loss of separation. In that kind of situation ATC will instruct the succeeding aircraft to go around to maintain separation. That is probably what happened in your case. Thus “too close” was most likely at least around 2,5NM/2,9miles/4,6km.
I'm always so surprised of the shear amount of topics and informations that you can pull out. You are really the best mentour. Keep it up💪🏻
If I had access to these videos 15 years ago, I defo would have looked into being a pilot! Amazing content and extremely interesting! 😁
Ditto
The airline world is glamorous but the reality behind the curtain is much worse today. Don't forget that Mentour is a training pilot for his company so this series is more like a promo to hire more pilots, because the work itself is pretty tiring and not so much fun nor healthy - long hours sitting, radiation, air pressure changes and many other health hazards. And many people forget that a pilot risks also his life every day, although the airplanes do not crash so often. Not every wife accepts such a risky isolated life of her husband so pilots are also likely to have bad family life.
@@resortsman :'( but I thought Mentour was doing this for people who are just interested too ...not just to hire people.. I really like his videos!!!
I was thinking exactly the same.thing.
I had couple of choices some years ago. Planned to go local aviation academy. Actually got in fine. I could not be a pilot (don't check all the health boxes). But airtraffic controller looked appealing... until I checked deeper in the workmarket for it (in my country). Turns out that it is a really good paying job. There is always looking for new people. And... There is only one company (big airfield) hiring. If that does not suit for you, you would need to leave the country to find another company. Also they are always looking for new people is because 9 persons out of 10 fresh graduates from academy don't work there more than a year. There is basically nowhere else to use the hard earned school diploma, but that company can't hold on to a worker to save their lives.
Actually same happened to the pilots. Every year the academy prepares bounch of pilots. But the national flight company had only four planes. The graduates were never meant to get a job there. Than the company went belly up around 2008. Its medical/boarder helicopters of cargo left on market. always option to go to another country, but there is a risk there. Being an immigrant in foreign country is never the same as working in your homeland. 2020 mostly wiped that market as well.
Who are doing well are the airport management, communications engineering (radios, radars) and mechanical engineering (mechanics) students from that academy. Just a random future prediction: no matter how many robots and autopilots are flying around, it will always be a human fixing the plane. There will always be an airport to land on. And radars and radio systems to guide the planes.
Always try to understand what is the job market you try to enter before investing 4-5 years of your young life into getting in. It. May turn out there is no market. There is bias to look good to new student and advertise like: you graduate=winner in life+good job+lots of money. It may be so for couple graduates 10years ago, but markets change. Fact check before!
There was this incident of a bombardier challenger flying 1000feet under an a380 and because of the waketurbulence made three to five rolls.. very scary to hear from such incidents
A380 wake turbulence is on another level altogether. I see videos of aircraft crossing each other during cruise. Many times I see them get out of the way of the contrails (and right next to them are the vortices) to avoid flying into the turbulence.
13:35 I ones encountered this. I was flying from Malaga to Brussels and saw a plane crossing from above and a bit in front of us. I knew there could be some little shaking coming in couple minutes and it was. My friend was surprised I could predict turbulence. It was a really cool experience cuz the shaking came indeed from nowhere.
A nasty failure of ATC
Well, generaly the sepparation requirements depend on type of control (visual, radar, procedural) and category of airspace (A-G). I won't go to procedural control (like 10 minutes for folowing ACFT to pass the fix), but there is either radar control (usually area & approach) and visual (tower) control. General radar rule is 1000 ft verticaly (with RVSM up to FL410, from there upwards it is 2000 ft) or 5 NM horizontaly, but that can be down to 3 NM (like in busy TMA with good redundant radar coverage). Basic sepparation for TWR controller is runway sepparation (one ACFT on/above the runway), but that can be down to 2400 meters In good conditions for two standard commercial IFR ACFT and even less for smaller and slower ACFT. Then again, sepparation between two ACFT stabilized on ILSs of two paralel RWYs can be even less, but that depends on local rules. And then there are rules for wake turbulence sepparation, rules for VFR flights, rules for special VFR flights, rules for military, rules for wiping your…
"Threshold: The Blue Angels Experience" is an action-packed 1975 documentary about the U.S. Navy's flight demonstration team. They were flying the F-4 Phantom II at the time, and some of those birds returned with creased sheet metal and scratched paint from contact. If you can find a copy of the DVD it's fantastic viewing!
Wow - that footage at 2:34 onwards is absolutely stunning!
Hej Mentour Pilot (Sverige!), I love your video's. I'm not a nervous flyer, I'm a non-flyer :-) but deeply interested in everything about airplanes and flying and so on. I would consider to fly with you as the captain, if I really had to, but one cannot choose ones captain, as one can choose ones seat... Keep up the good work; I enjoy the series very much.
That's interesting about the 757 leaving rather large wake vortices due to it aerodynamic properties, I'd never heard that. 😉👍👍
It's in a class all it's own ... literally, a 757 has special rules for wake turbulence separation.
Multiple camera angles. That production value getting sky-high now
get to see that he has notes too.
@@teytreet7358 I bet they're typed and on headered and footered paper. This guy doesn't mess around
Aerial camera angle too. Nice.
@@thegreathadoken6808 no he doesn't. His professionalism and passion is amazing. Anybody in any profession can learn something from him.
Patxi and Molly need their own Patxi-cam.
There has been cases in cruise when a smaller aircraft vs super heavy can be almost fatal. Emirates Flight 412 a Airbus A380 vs MHS Aviation flight MHV-604 a Canadair CL-600 Challenger met with 1,000 ft separation. the A380 overpassing the CL-600. The A380 spun the CL-600 out of control, permanently damaging the aircraft. But crew and passengers survived.
I watched so many aviation videos (Air Crash Integration, 74 Gear, Mentor Pilot, and Captain Joe) that I could tell which systems checks the pilots were doing just from the sounds I heard threw the cockpit door (I have Super Hearing... the cockpit door was closed)
Me too. I dont think the door is soundproof.
Several years ago I was on a commercial flight from somewhere east to San Jose, California (KSJC). The aircraft was descending below 12,000 ft, heading westward toward Monterey Bay to get on the KSJC approach path. I was looking out the right side when a turboprop twin climbing out of Monterey Peninsula Airport (KMRY) flashed by going in the opposite direction at the same altitude, less than two hundred feet off our wingtip. The pilots of my aircraft took no evasive action, so they probably never saw it, or saw it too late to do anything. I don't think any of the other passengers knew how close we came to each of us getting our "wings".
Vortex is one. Vortices is the plural more than one. Not nitpicking. Just want people listening get it right.
@@sharoncassell9358 - I never used the words "vortex" or "vortices" in my comment. I'm not sure what your point is.
The 28s at SFO on a visual approach with parallel traffic is plenty close.
Mentour, Thanks for you time and efforts. I had to stop/pause/replsy 4 times. I hope all those who are comfortable with commercial aviation will share your links with those who are not. Bob
Dogs!!! Hello Commander! I’ve been spreading the word. I had a CT Scan on My Lungs yesterday. Doing my best to hang in there. Wings Of Pegasus, Shaun Attwood, Scotty Kilmer, & Mentour Pilot really really help me get through my day! Hello Patxi! Thnx, CJ
Touch wood, you may get through your Class 1 medical.
How close should two aircraft come to each other when traveling in opposite directions. We were over the English channel once and I saw a jet liner fly right by us with no more that 200 meters of separation. She was actually only visible for less than a second.
The extra finger pointing really got me there!!! Haha! Looks like Patxi got some as well!
The last time I flew on an aircraft was in 1990 when My parents and I went to California to visit my uncle/mom's one older brother. At the one airport when we had a layover I was watching aircraft land, they were landing about every 1 minute apart. That was a lot of plans landing!! I remember one gate personnel tell me the airport was "busy" and planes were taking off and landing about 1 every minute to 2 minutes. I cannot remember if we were in Chicago O'hare or at Stapleton International in Denver, before it was replaced by Denver International.
mentour pilot = 10/10 RUclipsr
20/10 because he has ascended into the category where they have their own secondary platform independent of susantube.
Actually, 30/10 because the secondary is really his and not shared like some other youtubers.
@@mfaizsyahmi he is amazing right!
I flew to Texas from Chicago in a MD 80 to visit a friend, I had a left side window seat, was looking out my window and saw a DC 10 was roughly 300 feet below coming from the left and passed right under us.
I've always wondered about refueling receivers and donors and how they deal with "wake." Seems it's more of the receiver's problem than the donor's. Seems like such an ever-so-tight envelope of "fly-ability." Go up a few inches(recipient) and you find yourself in a spin. Would be interested if you have some insight on that.
There’s indeed a no-go zone when refueling. Some seemingly safe actions are a bad idea. For example, drop down a bit and slow down a bit: wakes will fall on you. Linger back too much: wakes get in your face. I’m not a pilot so it’d be cool if someone doing in-flight refueling on their aircraft could pitch in.
I know the atmosphere is a large volume of air that I cannot even fathom how big it is, but I wonder how many planes have to be in the sky at the same time to affect the earth's natural wind patterns
I remember a flight from Amsterdam to Barcelona. After we passed Paris, I suddenly noticed another plane way below us. I was in a window seat on the left. I watched, fascinated. We were flying at cruising altitude, I think the plane below us must have been a regional flight. We flew along for at least 15 minutes, then the other plane was gone from my view.
Another incredible video!! Thank you Petter! ❤️🙌
The Ueberlingen disaster always gives me the creeps. If you consider how many procedures and technologies were in place to avoid such a thing from happening and in the end were INOP or failed. And at the same time how lucky it was that this did not end in a much bigger disaster as there was no loss of life on the ground (if you do not count the murdered air traffic controller).
What about a video about "loss of license"? For how long can you stop flying before losing your rating or licenses? What do you need to do to recover them? What kind of illness may lead to a loss of license? Apart from a fatal crash, are there other bad mistakes that may have firing or loss of license as a consequence?
I find your videos most informative. I have watched almost all of your accident analysis videos and loved every one of them.
This one, however, gave me such incredible insight into the effects of wake turbulence from one aircraft to another, that I will be able to apply it to future observations of flight.
Wake turbulence reminds me of the effects of “drafting” used in auto racing which allows a car following closely behind another to “sling shot” around and pass it because of the the vacuum created behind the lead vehicle which gives the passing car a burst of power as it pulls out to pass the lead vehicle. I have also seen this used in bicycle racing.
As a side note, and because your videos are of such high quality already, I thought you might want to remove any repeated errors in English to make them even more perfect.
And since I am a teacher, I wanted to offer some English coaching, if you are open to it. If you’re not, please ignore this part. But anyway, I have noticed that in some languages, unlike English, the adjective follows the noun it is modifying, such as, “The barn red.”vs “The red barn”.
I have noticed some instances where you place the adjective after the noun. Specifically in your promotional clips you say, “the one thousand first of you” or “the five hundred first of you”, but in English we would say, “the first five hundred of you”.
Also, and this may only be the effect of your accent, but just in case you were not aware, you are not pronouncing the final “s” in plurals. For instance when pronouncing the words “months” or “questions”, you often fail to vocalize the final “s”.
I am hopeful that you will accept this coaching in the spirit in which it is given. Or just ignore it.
Keep up the great work in the videos you create.
Thanks for your time.
I noticed the numbers thing as well. The rest doesn't bother me at all, but the numbers can be misleading because it sounds like he's saying, for example, "the 501st" instead of "the first 500", so listeners could actually misunderstand him.
I am a native English soeaker and I think you do quite well considering Norwegian or Swedish may be your first language. The word thrust bothers me. You pronounce it as t r u s t. The petson that msde a comment and asked a question wrote engine trust. So i see how it could be misconstrued.
Generally when there is a TCAS notification in the cockpit the pilots will inform ATC they are following TCAS.
That can wait until they have safely avoided collision. Aviate, Navigate, Communicate!
i remember when i was on a Ryanair flight back home to MAN from Krakow, i was doing some plane spotting in the air. I spotted a KLM Ejet pass us below and a BA B777 in distance. i did see an aircraft cross our path but couldn't identify aircraft type nor airline. but i had fun spotting
Great video as always. I do have a semi-related question on the topic of airplane sizes. Why is it a lot of the military cargo planes are still turbo-prop driven instead of jet driven? Is it because they're just older models or does it have to do with the type of terrain and places they land and take off from?
I once was a passenger on a Dash-8, taxiing down the parallel taxiway toward the end of the runway for takeoff. I heard a several prolonged noisy sounds. When we turned toward the runway and held, I should see a squadron of CF-18’s taking off, two by two, from our runway. Their blast was coming straight back to us. We waited awhile before taking off. I didn’t know about wake turbulence at the time. Thanks for the education.
Fantastic content Captain. In particular I liked the way you explained following the DHL cargo plane and a Russian passenger jet collided in Swiss-controlled airspace over southern Germany in July 2002 resulted in TCAS instructions override ATC
It’s so cute that your son dressed up to play the flight simulators game.
I seen two small puddle jumpers almost collide at less than 90 degree angle. Luckily both turned left just in time
Your descriptions of incidents is certainly having its effect on this subscriber. When I left the house, usually, I didn't perform a mental checklist on what was to be done, anticipated, etc., but all that has changed now, and it is a good thing. It may be a bit of an exaggeration if I get to the point of printing up checklists for exiting the premises, but it may happen(!)
I was in the jump seat on a E3-D when it was air-to-air refueling from a KC-12. Aircraft have NO RIGHT to be that close together, and refueling takes a long time on a larger AC than those pointy little buggers. The Capt was knackered after that level of engine management to keep following that close in formation for what felt like ages. I did notice we came in low and climbed to intercept the KC-12 which I assume was to avoid the vortices.
I Love your videos and detailed explanation. Thanks for everything and more to come❤️❤️❤️
Very good 👏🏻 ! Bits already heard here and there in other videos (by Mentour obviously, who else?) but the fully exhaustive explanation all in one was needed! Thank you Captain
A collaboration with an ATC You Tuber discussing the Überlingen mid-air collision disaster would be good. Especially considering the tragic murder of Peter Nielsen, and also the trauma he went through as a result of the disaster. It's just awful all round. A video might show the cooperation pilots and ATC aim to achieve with their expertise and procedures, and also the system errors which have hindered that cooperation in the past.
It’s very sad. I don’t think Peter was at fault, he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time
3:30 OMG, that is a beautiful shot there.
First I always look for is the doggies, now normally you don't see snowball so I was wondering where brownie was and found him on the top of the couch Yeaaa Lol
White=Molly
Brown=Patxi
Glad you are home safe and your cold has cleared up!
Thank you Mentour Pilot!! 300 metres I thought would have been too close vertically, but I guess that is not the case at all!
That's really interesting ~ I had noticed while watching FlightRadar24 that there were quite even separations between planes landing. I had also wondered about them being too close on the runway -but I understand now that that is allowed with land after clearance.
Do Air Traffic Control try to let planes take off and land in groups related to their weight category? Instead of a light, then super heavy, then medium then light etc?
Mentour, I have a question. I live near an Air Force base and notice several large bomber planes taking off during drills, one right after another very close and in line. These are prop planes not jets. Why doesn't this have an effect on those following aircraft? Does speed play a part in this?
Thanks, Michael
what if one one pilot follows tcas and the other the air traffic contoller and both say pull up 1000 feet?
if they are simular sized it dosent mater has much. its the same for boats you dont want to be in the wave of a speeding motorboat if you have a tiny rowboat, and if the big cargo ship comes along its even worse. in the air the problem is worse
Thankyou mentour for your expert wisdom i love to learn about flying im no pilot but like to know what to expect when flying to somewhere can you do a video on comunication or miss comunication between air traffic and you pilots love your videos always and thankyou🙂
Great video Mentour I enjoyed watching it, have a fantastic weekend my friend.
Your making a difference!!!!! Great job!!
Thanks for a great video, Petter!
I admit having watched all mentor vids for the last 3 or so years he's been around I am confident in saying that I am ready for my ATPL exams and my 737 type rating exam
Edit. This is joke lads! I am well away from any actual examination it's just funny because mentor always goes so in depth in many videos it's like a lesson!
Break a leg mate!
As well as being entertaining, these videos are intended to be reliable information for trainee pilots. Therefore, the information must be comprehensive.
What is the maximum distance between aircraft to qualify as a "near miss" situation?
And are these events generally reported?
Absolutely great video Captain
Can you (maby) make a video, how you must krabbing with your aircraft, below a landing, with havy storm.
Amazing work. Thank you
Below 18000ft, separation can be as close as 500ft vertically.
IFR flies even(W) or odd(E) thousand (8000,11000,etc), and
VFR flies even+500 or odd+500 thousand (8500,11500,etc)
ATC usually avoids a close cross, but if VFR pilot isn't watching out, it can make for a very rough ride.
First of all, this rule has nothing to do with "below 18000ft". Second, it is not true - 1000 feet spacing between IFR and VFR aircraft within class C or B airspace still apply.
@@bziiuuum VFR can't fly in Class A which is 18000ft and above. Class B & C are small areas around airports strictly controlled by ATC.
Class E is where the assigned altitudes for east/west and the +500 for VFR are really needed. Radar coverage is limited.
ADS-B being mandatory makes keeping separation easier for everyone.
@@labeachgeek Do you know, that aviation also exists outside USA and FAA world and class A is very rarely used there? And that basis for this kind of discussion should rather be worldwide accepted and recognised ICAO SARPs and not FAA partial implementation? And that most CTAs in Europe, Asia, Middle East, Africa and so on are class B or C? And that having VFR on +500ft levels do not solve separation requirements in any way?
@@bziiuuum My initial comment was meant to point out how rough it can be with 500ft of legal separation.
I used the US because that's where I fly and there's vast areas where ATC can't see.
In fact, you can fly hundreds, even thousands of miles and never talk to ATC (under VFR). That's when the rules for VFR & IFR altitudes are important.
The US and Europe are about equal land masses. Countries in Europe are similar to our eastern states. If we had to have clearances to fly state to state, our system might be similar to theirs.
I commented based on where I fly. Haven't flown in Europe or Asia as it's difficult to get across the Atlantic or Pacific in a helicopter. 😆🚁😉
@@labeachgeek Understood. However my point is, that it is either: 1000+ ft spacing required between a/c or no formal vertical separation at all. As far as ICAO, airspace classification and ATC procedures go, there is nothing like "500 ft vertical separation". 500 ft altitude difference, although helpful, should not be considered enough in terms of IFR and VFR traffic passing by in opposite directions within class B or C (in other parts of the world, B and C classes are way way way more popular and widely used than A). When we talk about classes D to G, no IFR-with-VFR separation is taking place at all.
Thus, I believe it is incorrect to say "separation can be as close as 500ft vertically". Separation is either 1000+ or no value at all (no separation needed, in some very specific cases 500 ft recommended(?) only). Maybe some may say it is only a matter of wording, but in aviation terms like "clearance" or "separation" have one and only one correct definition.
Cheers!
Another good vid. Like the new side on view whilst you’re talking. Assume you have a new additional camera for this 👏👏👍
Hi Mentour, I am not a pilot but I was thinking about ATC accents. If someone is not a native English speaker it seems to me that their accent could result in a misunderstanding. Really makes it critical for pilots to read back ATC instructions and that the ATC confirms that they were understood correctly. Has this ever been an issue for you or other pilots?
You have the most meditative K9s. I had Wolf hybrids only 235 and 285 lbs. Stratford Terriers. And dobies. Fed em all free chicken necks an table scraps. Just sucked when they thought I was their mattress. I used to Weigh 265 lbs. I’m ill down to 178. Too many cancers.
Very interesting, as always!
Excellent info,thks.
It's a wonder the ATC at Oshkosh can keep everybody so organized for a week. Last controller on shift must want to decompress for a week or drink a keg of beer by himself. I've read it becomes the busiest airport in the world for that week.
We do like our beer in Wisconsin. Off-duty, of course. Couple of brats, a polka band, and a 16 hour nap'll put you right.
6:50 should of had 74gear on the plane with Kelsey waving :-) Both Channels are awesome.
Thanks a lot Petter, for this super Interesting video. I got a answer to a question I have thought a lot about - what happens when TCAS and ATC give opposite instructions? Very good explained!
Look up the Überlingen Midair collision if you want to find out the (sad) result of a time that did actually happen.
Nowadays I believe the TCAS takes priority over ATC in case of conflict.
Priority is TCAS as mentioned in this movie... Always, no matter what.
Hi, great videos for which many many thanks. I know you did a video about Runway and Taxi way signs which I would like ti study as I do not know why am airport with one runway does not have the runway numbered "one" with a letter showing whether it is to be used from the Right or the Left. To me logic numbering a runway 16 L would mean there are another 15 runways!
I believe the runway number is determined by the compass bearing of the runway alignment, so the aircraft knows the heading it has to fly in the final approach.
Your video content is great! To improve your production values, try to get a little more light on your face, though. Mount two hardware store clip lights with R40 floodlights in them at "45-45". That's 45 degrees up and 45 degrees left and right of center. This angle gives the most natural front light.
C@ 20,000 feet (?) Northbound from Oakland. I was in a bigfellah when a commuter-sized jet coming from our 1:00 and passed underneath us on a combined 2:00 course, close enough that from my right side window seat I could see the pilot. I thought it a bit remarkable, but by the time I recognized what had just occurred it was all over. I am pretty sure that was ... close enough.
I greatly enjoy your lectures, as I am an aircraft junky and even took a flying lesson once while I was at university. Couldn't afford more and had to stop but if I had been born 5 to 10 years later, I would have wanted to become a pilot (NOT a silly stewardess). There is just one thing. I know you are Swedish (another of my favourites, I would love to live in Sweden (in the summer) and you don't always know the correct pronunciation but there are no vortexes. They are called vortices with a long ee and it is stressed on the last syllable. A lot of people get it wrong, even pilots, I guess, but if you are teaching on RUclips (and it is really great to listen to you), you need to get it right. Hope we get a lot more videos from you!!!
Check the dictionary? Most give vortexes as an acceptable alternative.
@@rogerstone3068 I know. I'm a linguist, and I suppose it always make me fidgety when I hear anything that is not perfect. I prefer commentators who get it 100% right and Mentour Pilot is predominantly a pilot. I hope he doesn't take it personally.
Loving the multiple camera angles! Another great video Petter 👍
How much time should you wait after the An 225 takes off fully loaded?
Nice Port Side and Starboard Side pillows😆
Some time around the middle of next week ought to do it...
@@highlypolishedturd7947 Yeah, right...
Enough to let cleaning crews to remove debris from runway. It's outer engines blow dirt from sides of the runway and cleaning will sometimes take a long time.
until the soviet union comes back
Hi Mentour, I really enjoy your videos.
Regarding separation, I understand the 1000ft separation when flying E or W, but what about aircraft flying N or S?
Many thanks.
Chicago O'Hare airport is famous for being a very busy airport. I once flew to Michigan, and we had to do a stop in Chicago, and we couldn't start our flight from where we were in Michigan until the Chicago airport told our flight it could depart, so as to be able to take our flight in...we had not even departed from Michigan, and we had to wait for clearance to land in Chicago!
What’s Your Little White Dog’s name Again? We don’t get to see it very often. She had a nice nap today. Your voice seems to really relax them. I know it relaxes me. Thnx, CJ
The white dog's name is Molly.
Nice to see you back home...and apparently healthy. :)
turbofanlover 2 weeks incubation.
@@Avgeek1564 Right. Forgot about that. I assume that he won't be doing any flying for a few weeks.
turbofanlover you'd hope so!
may i ask what happened?
@@Avgeek1564 You mean quarantine, I assume...
Very inspirational. I was told I know too much.
@MentourPilot, can you make a video about Turbulence if not already? Explaining why sometimes a smooth flight and then bumpy at times. Has something to do with different wind directions.
Thanks for this invaluable information. My question is two fold.
1. Aircraft flying North/South, Same?
2. Let's say I'm in a 737 traveling from Adelaide in South Australia to Darwin Northern Territory, (South to North) and we come about an aircraft traveling from Perth, Western Australia to lets say Sydney, (West to East) How would ATC separate us?
I have seen in cruise while a passenger that planes will fly under the plane I am in and very much closer than 5 miles. I have also seen planes near our altitude pass flying the opposite direction much closer than 5 miles.
I really enjoy your videos!
thanks for a very interesting video.
I love planes, have been fascinated by them and their systems for years, but I'm still a nervous flyer, especially because I know too much about how accidents can happen.. all system can be working, plane in excellent condition, but a small misunderstanding, a tired pilot, a string of unfortunate events can lead to disaster.
I imagine if I was controlling the plane, I would be less nervous
The best channel about aviation for newbies like me:). Thanks for your great videos!
He wants to increase interest in safety system and pilot training.
Keep away from the vortices. Please. Thank you .
Brilliant mentor
Good video as always
Absolutely Fantastic
I was on a night flight sitting in a window seat and sometime during cruise I saw another plane pass underneath us going roughly in the opposite direction. It was WAY closer than 1000 feet. I don’t think anyone else saw it because nobody made a sound, and there was no turbulence at all. As I was walking out I said to the pilot “That was a close one back there”, he just smiled and said “Yeah?”
My guess would be, once they get so close to each other that they start causing damage to one or the other, that is too close together.
Also, if they pass so close together that one causes the other to lose control, that is too close.
With the proper training and practice, airplanes can safely fly so close together you could climb from one plane to the other. The Blue Angles fly very close together.
Hello Mentour! The plane that you use on the start of the video (with Mentour Pilot mark from the side" is similar to 767 for me.. :D Is it coincidence or done purposely..? If so, have u ever expirienced this aircraft? :) Thanks for your video podcasts!
How do the Red Arrows and other flight display teams do it? Flying in formation in close proximity seems like tempting fate . . .
The relatively tremendous loss of life associated with air shows is in (sad) agreement with your observation.
Who Would A Think A guy sitting on a couch could be interesting? Ehhh Ehhh Ehhh. Owls. Seals. Bears. Well, then came the Commander. & his sidekicks. Johnny Carson & Ed McMahon. Petr & Patxi !!! Still love the new graphics! Really Good Episode! Thnx, CJ
Im.assuming you made it home ok from Italy?
"When are Aircraft TOO CLOSE?!"
easy, when you can see the white in the other planes pilots eyes.
Which nearly happened in 2001 with a DC-10 and a 747, both from JAL, crossing each other path.
Nah...when you hear metal on metal!
Don't scratch the paint.
When you can shake the other pilot's hand.
Kelsey from 74gear has an Instagram video showing a 747 flying above him