Things You Should NEVER Do In An AIRCRAFT?!
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- Опубликовано: 3 дек 2020
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Last weekend a TikTok video of a man, cooking a steak in an aircraft toilet went viral al over the internet. Several safety organisation and airlines reacted violently to the video and the tiktoker had to take it down.
You should NEVER joke around with inflight fire! Under no circumstance should there be any fire or heat-source used anywhere in an aircraft cabin and in this episode I will tell you why.
An inflight fire is a pilots worst nightmare. It combines technical failures with toxic fumes, heat and panic.
It is basically the worst thing that can happen to a still flying aircraft.
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Brisbane Airport - Airport fire fighter
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UK CAA Fire instruction video
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Hi Mentour. What happened to your mentour aviation app? Is discord replacing that?
@@Hondalover3000 mentour aviation app is still quite active
How do airlines backup faulty or grounded plane for maintenance or what ever reason in the fleet.
hi Mentour! can you please explain what is RNAV? thank you
I just read a Washington Times post called the Saving of flight 1080, it's extremely impressive to my untrained eye and I'd really love for you to do a breakdown on it, your breakdown series is the best content you make in my opinion, I love hearing about these accident breakdowns from an expert. Hope you are well
Edit: It happened in 1978 I think a year after the Tenerife? disaster, I'm sure the reports are all out, don't know if you can easily get them but I'd assume so.
Me and my family experienced a cabin fire immediately after start in an airbus. All of the crew members did a great job. The cockpit crew made a nose down maneuver that gave us a zero-g experience followed by a dive bomber like descend. Landing happened after one or two minutes with thrust reversers active for an extremely long period, because we were heavy from full fuel. Also, the cabin crew prepared us in this very short time for a crash landing and succeeded in extinguishing the fire, wich was behind a panel. When disembarking, the fire brigade already sprayed water on the smoking brakes in the main gear. My kids took it as an adventure, so they had no psychological damage. Also, all passengers were led to a waiting area with food and beverages and there were people asking if anybody had psychological problems and needed someone to talk to. This all was done by an extremely professional crew, trained fire brigade and ground personal people who really cared for the passengers - thanks to al of them in Düsseldorf!
Crew "embers"!!!
@@NakuWeed0- are you confused?
Glad that everything turned out alright for you.
@@NakuWeed0- lmao nice one.
@@HippieInHeart Every incident has usually some level of investigation as due to how and why the incidents occurred, but not a fixed rate of the chances between safely arriving and incident occurring, but generally and relatively tips over to arriving safely. Amogst the incidents of in-flight fires was Air Canada Flight 797.
A flashover can happen in every contained area. I am a volunteer firefighter in a small german village. Not much to do, but I experienced a flashover in a real fire. It's like all hell breaks loose. Gate of oblivion is opening right in front of you. Fire is not bright and loud, like in hollywood movies. Its pitchblack. And suddenly its everywhere. Stay safe everyone!
Open the door at burning room is most stubit thing to do, because firegases get oxygen and flash. Sealing openings is a more effective way to suppress a fire. No any reason to go into fire hot room. If someone is in there, is dead.
Indeed. I think in the most devastating fires, people have been caught out by the speed and ferocity of a flashover. They look in the direction of where the fire started, and they think they’re ok because it’s ‘over there’, when actually there is already a cloud of superheated explosive gasses forming right above them. Look at the British Airtours Manchester disaster, or the Kings Cross underground fire for some examples.
@@jarikinnunen1718 That makes sense but good luck convincing a human with emotions about that, I wouldn't be surprised if emotional decision making will at times even get to firefighters despite being familiar with the risk and presumably having procedures for what is and isn't acceptable risk.
Nahhhh dude lolz like that only happens to people on the news brah! ! Stupid people. Not like me. Flames r cooooool
Thanks for keeping people safe 😄
I am a respiratory therapist. My small hospital in Northern Kentucky received the majority of passengers who survived Air Canada DC-9 flight 797 that landed - on fire - at the Cincinnati airport. Half of those on the flight died in the plane from the smoke and the heat. It was catastrophic. Fire fighters were devastated by the sight of these passengers. That is the event that led to the banning of smoking in planes. I recall it vividly to this day.
I remember the mayday episode of that. That was a bad one! That’s also why there’s only 90 secs to evacuate! They never found the cause of that fire. Thank you for sharing and all you do!
I don't believe the fire on that flight was caused by smoking. Although the cause was never determined for sure, from what I have heard it was likely an electrical fire caused by a short circuit.
Yuck!!!! That’s sooo disgusting and at the same time it’s a stupid thing to do
Indeed!
Stupid? It's Criminal! I know that my brothers they found out that someone did that on a flight that I was on? That person wouldn't be alive right now.
Yes. But it only needs to be one slightly stupider that actually try this.
I think this is stupider than yelling BOMB
@@ingenfestbrems Stupid? I call it way more than stupid... I call it _lethal_
@@wendylynn7058: We don't know the answer to your question of whether or not you know that, because we're not mind readers. Perhaps you should just try _telling_ us what you believe you know. (Also, I bet that person wouldn't actually be dead. Hopefully your brothers wouldn't _actually_ murder someone.)
As a long haul 777 pilot I could not agree with you more. In flight fires are the most serious issue. Thanks for putting this out to people.
What I don't understand is why didn't the People who worked on the Hindenburg not have the training to even try and put out the first Explosion erupted I guess it was just to fast
@@charlieirvin5423 I don't think there's conclusive evidence that the Hindenburg erupted from inside the cabin where the crew had access.
A South African Airways flight 295 (747 - Combi) went down on the 28 November 1987 in the Indian Ocean 134 nautical miles North East of Mauritius as a result of fire that had started in the cargo area. Flight was from Taiwan to Johannesburg. 159 people died as a result of this fire that went out of control. It fills me with horror to think that there is enough crazy people out there that think this is something to try based on the video.
@@charlieirvin5423 The Hindenburg was painted with a paint that had a mixture of aluminium and iron oxide. That's thermite, almost impossible to extinguish when burning.
@@charlieirvin5423 Regarding the Hindenburg, there wasn't any time to do anything, I think it took less than 20 seconds from normal approach to smoldering wreck on the ground....
No one would have had time to do anything....
WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO EAT TOILET MEAT
THATS a fair question
@@MentourPilot Maybe he wanted to join the Mile-Fry Club... (Sorry, couldn't resist the joke. Am still outraged by the TikTok, however.)
In China there's 'toilet restaurants'. There's all sort of weirdos in the world
@@youtubestolemyusername3419 I think that was in Japan and to my knowledge they weren’t actual toilets but novelty bowls made to look like toilets
I love flying... But near the end of long haul flights I've seen toilets that would gag a maggot. I can't think of a worse place to prepare food lol
Had that been a real fire, that could've lead to a repeat of the Air Canada DC-9 incident where there was a toilet fire, then it exploded killing half of the passengers during evacuation.
Exactly
That was Air Canada flight 797, if anyone wants to read more.
I just saw this last week on air crash investigation
In the Air Canda flight 797, nobody actually knew where did the fire started from, it seems from under the toilet.
That was the crash landing in Ohio that killed the great Canadian folk singer Stan Rogers. Who I met, BTW.
Had an absolutely terrifying experience with this when I flew from Amsterdam to Oslo last month. I woke up from my sister shaking me awake and pointing at smoke rising from a few rows in front of us, cabin crew moving hurriedly, and neither of us knew what was going on. We both thougth this is it, we're screwed. The smoke and burnt electricity smell made us think something must be horribly wrong with the aircraft. Turns out, somebody's phone battery had exploded. Thankfully, the cabin crew had it under control within minutes, putting the phone in some sort of fire-safe box. Noone got hurt besides the guy whose phone is was, who got minor injuries on his hand. That incident lead me to find Mentour Pilot, and I have been bingewatching his videos for weeks now!
I worked in Aeronautics for 30 years, and remember many of these aviation accidents in our training. But I think your videos are not only more informative, they are more entertaining. I never feel like falling asleep like I did at our safety meetings!
And much of this is not only the well-composed text, but the animations, transitions and other great effects in your videos keep our attention. The editing is top notch! Really good.
Why being so stupid and disrespectful to start a fire in the plane. We are a guest while flying and must behave like one. Crews are trained to be nice to passengers, it is so rude not to respect them back and cause the harm
There is a VAS aviation video of an ATC recording of what I think was a Virgin Atlantic flight declaring a Mayday due to a cabin seat fire and making a rapid emergency landing. I found this an interesting recording for several reasons. The pilot declared his emergency, selected divert destination, and headed down hill REAL fast. HE told ATC where he was going to go and what he was going to do. ATC shoved everyone out of the way and cleared the road for him. Even after the cabin crew reported the fire contained, the pilot maintained his emergency and still went to ground as fast as he could and did a full runway stop and held position until fire crews made sure there was not a hidden fire going on inside the walls of the plane.
That's what the training is for. When you need it you really need it.
Wow! I do not remember Mentour ever being so involved and energetic about a subject.
Fires are terrifying.
Even more so than his video about the pilots who completed a flight of a couple of hours after an engine failed soon after takeoff, and failed to divert for economic reasons - this is even more outrageous aviation stupidity
The one other subject I see him get fired up about is flight crew treating each other disrespectfully, because that's a recipe for a disaster.
@@nerysghemor5781 Aye, it’s killed hundreds of people. Honestly I’m really starting to suspect that the pilots and flight attendants I work with either as an aircraft cleaner or ramp agent depending on the operational need have some kind of specific training forcing them to be nice to us.
If doctors and nurses don’t respect their cleaners I can’t imagine pilots and flight attendants do. On the other hand, if a pilot spills their coffee everywhere except most of the control panels the cleaner is going to be the one that sorts it out. In my case I was considerate enough to spread a bin bag over the part of the seat that was wet and even taped it down. So the Tui captain that didn’t have to fly with a wet butt probably didn’t need the “be nice to the lesser people” training I suspect they undergo. 😆
I can remember when checking into a flight we were asked "smoking or non-smoking".
Yep, got my fingers slapped for playing with the in-seat ash-tray on my first flight as a child. A memory that stayed.
Yes, & the overhead lights included a smoking indicator.
Reminds me of a flight i was on being delayed for 2 hrs on the tarmac because the bathroom had the wrong ashtray installed... you couldn't even smoke on planes anymore at that point which left me thinking that they were lying and something more important/dangerous was wrong but they didnt want to tell us.
The good old days, when you could even smoke in a hydrogen filled zeppelin while giving the stewardess a clap on the tushy.
I served in the Navy and everyone aboard ship was trained in firefighting to some extent, especially us engineers. Up in the air or in the middle of the ocean, it's a bad day if you have a fire. Thanks for another fascinating & informative video Mentour!
Is firefighting still week 7?
@@MWGrossmann Jeez, that was back in the 80s, I don't remember lol! Do remember the smokehouse though..
@@ARWest-bp4yb Yep, early '80s. It only took a week or two for the smell to fade (or get tuned out).
Did Susie make you cry?
@@ARWest-bp4yb Yep, early '80s. It only took a week or two for the smell to fade (or get tuned out).
Did Susie make you cry?
I cant imagine a fire in a submarine
I work on roadferries in Sweden, and the same goes for ships. A Fire is the one thing we are really don't want to happen. Toxic fumes from the new electric cars, fire in the engine room, abandoning the ship. We train for it every week, but still really scary. Once it started we have to quickly contain it, or we might have to abandon ship to ensure the saftey of the passangers. Scary.
Good grief. I was aware of how bad electric cars are when they are burning, but never thought about how dangerous they are on a ferry. Or imagine them on the shuttle train in the channel tunnel. 😱 Yet here we are, depending on the country you live in, the political goal is to replace all cars with electric cars. This will be awful.
@@murphychurch8251 If it is a car that is burning (The battery), there is no way to put it out. Extremly toxic, and the only thing we can do is to use the wind to drift the fumes away from the areas where there is ppl. We do NOT have equipment to put out a batteryfire yet. I know that the norwegians are working on something, but haven't seen anything so far.....
Social media was a mistake... LMAO
Not all of it, but this constant attention seeking certainly is
I compare it to like when humans first grouped together into cities, before we understood diseases and sanitation. We didn't know what we didn't know, and having so many people and animals in close contact in unsanitary conditions meant that diseases that would normally fizzle out after emerging, by being too lethal in small settlements, could instead spread like wildfire and be sustained in cities. That's one big reason why plagues came from the "old world" to the "new" and wiped out so many natives but not the other way around. (Our understanding of diseases and pandemics has gotten better, but now there are new challenges and social media has played a big part in the difficulty combating this current pandemic. Some countries have this under control, and SOME refuse to). Similar to early urban development and sanitization (or lack thereof) we don't really understand the mental hygiene needs and best practices, or psychological impacts of social media yet. We're experiencing that sort of revolution like the first cities, but in thought and information space, and as a result a lot of "mind viruses" like BS conspiracy theories (with no basis in reality, because conspiracies do really happen, like Mk ultra and Iran contra and Watergate and what was revealed by Snowden and so on) that would normally fizzle out or only claim a few village idiots or an isolated cult, now spread globally and can even claim educated people. And we're still struggling to understand why, while throwing our metaphorical idea-sewage out the windows into the streets. I believe there is a lot of good that has and will come from social media, but Facebook is going to go down in history as a prime example of how NOT to do things, and I haven't looked back since I deleted my account.
The problem is never with the tool, it`s the user. There is no vaccine for stupidity.
@@petkucius
The vaccine is called the Darwin award. Not too bad if it only affects that one individual. Very bad when other go down (pun intended) with him/her in the process.
@@Trotters79 the Darwin award is a diagnosis, not a vaccine.
Dramatic video effects! Made your speech on fires in the cabin so powerful. A well-placed use of visual effects. In my opinion. P.S. Your message about battery dangers makes me think that commercial flying is not just an amusement-park ride, it demands that passengers have some knowledge and respect for the technology of aircraft.
And respect for the universe. The wrath from high atop the thing. Whuch can wipe u out in a second
I'd suggest that charging your phone with a power bank should be forbidden and should be part of the cabin crew initial speach to the passengers.
Because of the information about overheating batteries, I will discard an inexpensive power bank I was given by a business. It gets really warm when I recharge it, warmer than the expensive one I own.
Because of the information about overheating batteries, I will discard an inexpensive power bank I was given by a business. It gets really warm when I recharge it, warmer than the expensive one I own.
yes, makes me remember all the videos and stories of phones catching fire on planes while they were being charged using the charging ports on airplanes.
Military man, firefighter and an airline pilot. Stor respekt.
My Farfar (grandfather) gave up his flying career to serve as a firefighter at a military base in my country, after many years of flying.
He is 83 years old today and still works in this field. Although now he's settled for a more relaxed job designing sprinkler systems and improving on old designs for better fire safety.
This needs to be reprimanded before someone actually tries this. Tik Tok is the best example of the worst part of social media.
I was about to say 4chan is the worst, but when you think of it... no, 4chan just says stupid things, TikTok, on the other hand, DOES stupid things and prompt other mentally handicapped teens to do the same.
Seems like they need rules against boarding with flammable substances.
Seems to me that TikTok is deigned to show idiots doing idiotic things. And while we've all done stupid stuff in ourr lives, posting it on theiinterweb means it exists forever.
The worst part of social media? That's like trying to decide what the worst part of Nazi Germany was. Or the worst part of the Holocaust.
This provides more evidence that there is nothing useful with 'social media', dick-dock is just the latest iteration for idiots to expose themselves to morons. But, if you break their rules, they can kick you off and it is your fault. Only the government can restrict speech.
I remember my fire training as Traincrew (UK railways). Generally trains are actually a great transport for fire because they are made of multiple discreet vehicles with a fair amount of isolation from one and other. Generally get the passengers out of the carriage concerned - tackle the fire only if its safe to do so . . . And evacuate only if all vehicles are comprised.
But thats on train - we have all been told of hideous events like the Kings Cross fire . . . Where a fire started at an underground station on an escalator - and the trench effect came into play. Worse, the underground trains where kept running for evacuation purposes - the trains running through tunnels basically acted as giant bellows and fueled the fire by introducing a new source of oxygen from beneath.
The result was a massive flash over up the escalator well that led to 31 deaths including several firemen.
Hey Mentour, thank you for this. I live in Nova Scotia where Swissair 111 crashed into Saint Margarets Bay as I'm sure you know. That is what happened, a fire broke out in the wiring of an uncertified IFE system (brand new at the time) and spread behind the cockpit. And the remarkable thing is how quickly it happened. From smoke in the cockpit to hitting the water (almost upside down) it was less than half an hour. Only about twenty minutes. They were dumping fuel as per Swissair operating procedure before heading to YHZ but even then it was too late. If they had gone straight to Halifax airport they would have crashed over land likely. And SW111 was a codeshare with Delta Airlines so the Americans aboard would have bought their tickets from Delta. VERY sad! There is a beautiful memorial for them out near Peggy's Cove. And that is another story. About a private pilot I knew of who visited there and ain't around anymore. Erissa Yong-Wilson and her Cessna... You should look into that incident in British Columbia, Mentour.
Being a former firefighter too (though not specialized as an airport firefighter), I can only second what Petter is saying about the dangers of a fire inside the aircraft during the flight. Especially since the first thing you would do in any fire on the ground - getting out and away as quickly as possible - is simply impossible while the plane is airborne. (Well, at least in commercial aviation, for a military transport full of paratroopers it may be slightly different.)
Even though I still know how to deal with fires, I certainly don't want to experience an inflight fire.
One thing that makes me wonder though is citing fire safety as the reason for banning smoking on the flight. While not allowing people to smoke certainly lowers the risk of a fire in the cabin, I would have thought that the primary reason for banning smoking was the same as it is in many places on the ground - protecting the health of people who don't smoke by not exposing them to second hand smoke. Along with other benefits like less and easier cleaning (don't need to deal with burn marks on the seats, sticky deposits everywhere and full ashtrays), reducing operational costs.
Seems crazy that cigarette smoking was ever allowed on flights. What were they thinking!
Especially so when you consider that the fabrics used for the seating, etc, were made of more readily ignitable materials back then!
Small packs of cigarettes were even provided on our dinner tray.
Well, there was a time when people thought "if we go down, we may as well with style". I am pretty certain that people's psychology of the time was affected by two recent world wars and the constant threat of annihilation so our collective brains just broke, people stopped being afraid of anything, they simply didn't care...
Yeah, just imagine how many lives could have been saved from all those fires.
Those times were before the nanny state
Hearing all of the sophisticated procedures of the cockpit and even the strategic delineation of cabin crew roles is fascinating. One great thing about Mentour Pilot is revealing that there are a lot of, lot of facets in place that you'd never think about as you whine about the dry chicken in the meal.
And oh, how serious this one is. A business associate of mine was in a multi fatality violent crash - yet less than half died from blunt force trauma. More than half primarily died of inhalation. I've read other major accident accounts where people survived the crash but not the smoke :(
It's ironic that going through "Security" you could/can keep a cigarette lighter in an airplane??
Bill Woo
died of inhalation?
You did not complete the sentence.
Every living creature is inhaling and they are not dead yet.
-here are a lot of, lot of facets ?
I've ?
And you are excellent at bastardizing the English language
much like a 15th-century peasant.
No one survives smoke for a great length of time. Learn that fact.
I worked on subway tracks in electrical dept. I put out many fires from paper to people to electrical with different various chemicals. Wr were on a plane & they told us to deplane. They thought iy was a bomb but found out it was a jerk lighting a hairspray blast as a joke. He was removed from the plane & arrested. But we had to land in Arizona on our way to Las Vegas Nevada. A 2 hour delay and who knows how much fuel? We reboarded but some people changed planes out of fear. What a waste.delay scary.
I’d prefer to have an engine failure, unsafe gear or unreliable airspeed than a fire or smoke in a cabin.
Right--those are bad, but a pilot can use their skills to overcome them. A fire--everybody could be dead or the plane damaged beyond control in just a few minutes
pretty sure most pilots would rather loose their hydrolics
Totally with you, Trevor. The others can be dealt with by what we know from training and good decision making, the cabin fire requires all that and a huge amount of luck to get the aircraft on the ground within the eleven minutes that we have.
When I was a kid people used to smoke cigarettes onboard an aircraft. Unbelievable these days.
Smoking was banned on planes for public health reasons, otherwise they didn't pose such a great fire risk
When you were a kid there were more plane crashes around the world.
When I flew in the early 70's, the aircraft was divided longitudinally into smoking and non-smoking sections. Non smoking was at the rear end. It worked to some extent unless you were near the boundary of the smoking/non smoking curtain. I am pretty sure they abolished the smoking section out of safety concerns, but correct me if I am wrong.
@@CubicSpline7713 - yes it was at the back, I remember it in the early nineties. But yea the smoke still moved into the rows in front.
@@mohammadzohorul8887 - cheeky, I’m only 46. I don’t know if there are more crashes now per passenger flying (ignoring the present situation) though. Thank you for the comment.
22 years as a flight attendant. My worst fear was a fire…..
I remember the day Valujet 592 went down because of fire onboard. It still gets to me to this day as bad as when it happened. Imaging the horror those poor folks were going through when it became a full blown inferno. And then there is the Swiss Air 111 cockpit inferno.
As a lifetime non-smoker, I was so happy when airlines banned smoking. The world as a whole had smoking issues back in the 1960's and 1970's, but second-hand smoke trapped in an enclosed space was especially bad, even if you weren't sitting near the smokers. On the plus side, seats were bigger back then and in-flight service wasn't cut to the bone or eliminated.
On a bouncy flight, I barfed when sparked up a fat cigar behind me. Stupid bastard laughed at me. He stopped laughing when I turned around and let fly on him. Very satisfying. Received a lot of clapping and hoorays for that.
"Triangle of Fire" - Thanks for the band name :D
Play the song Ring of Fire
I did work experience at Luton airport, and have walked through a simulated smoke filled cockpit. It’s scary, even when you know it isn’t real. I can’t imagine how terrifying and difficult it would be to be in that situation
I had fire fighting training in a facility where there is a big container (like the ones they have on ships) where they light a fire. And it's absolutely true, you don't see anything because of the smoke, it's incredibly hot and you just kinda lose orientation.
Thanks for your explaination on the battery thing. I was aware there were rules in place but never really questioned it why.
Exceptional video. Safety is paramount. No words enough to praise this video and your clear explanation. Thank you.
If anyone wants to see what happens with airplane fires, may I suggest the following Mayday episodes: S1 E3 "Fire on board"; S4 E3 "Fire fight"; S5 E4 "Fanning the flames"; S12 E2 "Fire in the hold".
I’m addicted to that show!
Sorta reminds me of the incident of the Galaxy Note 7 batteries and how they were banned on airplanes.
I'm still sad because of this. Mine was good, i believe.
The Valujet crash being an example of how truly terrifying--and completely unsurvivable--an in-flight fire is.
Great graphics! Thank you for your service. This is a really scary video. When I was in the US Navy and I had to fight a fire onboard ship. I can laugh about it now.
This video reminds me of two accidents related to in-flight fire: Swiss Air 111 and UPS Airline flight 6. Fires on aircraft really mess everything up and could lead to a series of consequences, some of which are not covered in this video. They not only produce smokes that obstruct vision (and make it hard to read everything, including instrumentation and checklist) but also burn down vital systems onboard (so you will be losing hydraulics and electronics one by one). Those who are interested can check out these two accidents and see how the fires sealed the fate of the flight as time went by and how desperate the flight crew was at the end. So don't ever try to mess with fires when onboard a flight (be it passenger or freight), because you may never know what it will end up with. That being said, I think those accidents have taught us a lot about how to handle such a situation now.
Another issue about cabin fires you didn't mention. If they get intense enough and are in the right location. It can reek havoc on the aircraft's systems.
You can end up with a Swiss Air 111 situation in addition to an out of control cabin fire.
Try aboard ship. When I was in the Navy I was on a Damage Control party. I was the #1 nozzleman. That means I was the guy with the hose that was actually fighting the fire. There is no where to go. You HAVE to get that fire out. You then have to check for poisonous gases. You have to check for leaks from the various pipes running through the compartment. Some pipes might be carrying jet fuel. Some might be carrying live steam at 600-1200psi.
Remember the fire earlier this year aboard the USS Bon Homme Richard? It took 4 days to put that out. My guess, as I haven't seen the final report, is that it took so long because the ship wasn't sealed up like it normally would be. Bonny Dick is now going to be scrapped. The damage was too bad and would cost too much to repair her.
If you don't have training in fire fighting, call emergency services and get the hell out of there.
Had a battery bank that was on its last legs, was rattling when I shook it, one of the main reasons I replaced it was I was flying away on holiday and didn't want to risk taking the old one on an airplane due to watching too many air crash investigations
no such thing as too many - you meant "enough"
Thats funny, lol
Agreed 100%. It was a very immature and dangerous thing for that person to tweet that video. Someone out there would think it cool to replicate or improve on it and the results could be catastrophic.
As a much older man i can remember a few major accidents that occurred because of fire in my lifetime. Canada, Swiss Air etc. It is very dumb to upload a video like this prank or not. I do hope this person is made to realize the seriousness of it.
Thanks for another informative video.
@@thetowndrunk988 Just stop it. You learned nothing from this video did you?
Yes, batteries are pretty dangerous if not manufactured properly... Boeing has something to say about that regarding the 787 🤣🤣🙈🙈
I don't ever charge my laptop batteries before flying. I can do that in the hotel. I like to have them almost fully discharged when I bring them onboard.
Yeah, just put it in a fireproof enclosure, no worries problem "solved" :)
@@kenmore01 they are actually more dangerous if over discharged, the ideal would be to have then all the time around 70-50%
@@kenmore01
You're right about minimization of stored energy that can turn into heat causing a fire.
However, due to their chemistry, Li-based battaries are actually designed to be kept at ~50% during storage and transport. Overdischarged li-polys are prone to rapid degradation and gas release, just as overcharged ones. Usually an overdischarge doesn't result in fire (gas pressure isn't high enough to tear the battery apart), though, almost every time it kills the battery.
All in all, my advice is to keep them around 20-30% charge for short flights, 50% for long-term storage.
@@DevilsVideos1 Thank you and jaalcaid for the advice! I did not know that.
A toilet seat is really the worst place in the aircraft to light a fire. Under this is a big container of sewage, and this releases quite a lot of methane. If a candle falls into that, it might even go boom.
Except its neither underneath it (there are pipes to storage containers) nor full of methane - its vented by the vacuum system and all quite wet in there. The worst part would be the fire burning through the plastic pipe, into an inaccessible void under the floor where the crew can't put it out.
Thanks for this video. I went through a smoke in HVAC at cruise altitude incident. The emergency descent to flush the air was really frightening. Feel better knowing what went on.
Hi Mentour! Ineresting Video (as always). My Dad (He was Swissair DC9-32 and 51 Pilot in the 70s later DC10) once had such a Situation on a Haj Charter from Nigeria to Jeddah. One Passenger startet to make a fire in the aisle. he has just startet making his Lunch and luckily the Cabin Crew reacted very fast and no further damage happened.
Awesome! I was an Aircraft Firefighter when I was in the military, too! I was stationed in Cuba and the US.👩🚒⚓️ I was also a plane captain on the T-45C and later, after 9-11, a TSA Screening Manager at CLT.
Just like on an aircraft, fire is devastating on a ship, as well. You never want fire in isolated spaces, clearly. Even on the ship, fire is the worst scenario. I totally understand why the video was pulled. There are some people that would not only try it, but try to take it a step further.😳
I've been binge watching Mayday tonight and one of the episodes I watched was Swissair Flight 111. That'll convince you to take fire on an airplane seriously.
Mentour's production value must have gone up, especially in scene one where he lights his studio on fire to prove a point.
Got to look again: does it bother the dog?
@@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648 The dog is so brave!
My dad was a fireman for the city of Philadelphia. He faced many dangers. He is my hero!
Brilliant Petter , remember Swiss Air 111 . If you have a chance to talk with a Condor Flight Attendant flying in the 70 and 80 ‘tis , they have a lot to tell about open grill fire in the aisle of a B727 and so on , with Turkish people flying home for vacation . ( Gastarbeiter) .
I've been through alot of fire training with my job over the last 30 years.....I will honest in saying I've never heard fire explained so well!! Never knew the black smoke was still fuel. Great Job!!!
Realised my earlier reply was quite wrong, brain got distracted but the flashover from this video reminded me about the wood fired stove my parents have to heat the living room.
Once it's up to normal working temperature there's a jet of fire that comes from the back plate with a hole in the middle, I guess it injects most of the air from the bottom but also from that hole resulting in a jet of flame from the rear towards the window (and slightly up). Since there's no wood hiding back there it's probably just remaining combustible gases getting some oxygen to burn.
And yes this video was excellent, I always knew fires were bad on planes considering how cramped they are and evacuating is pretty hard. But fighting fires is pretty challenging in addition, I wonder how they'll do it now that halon is no longer allowed to be manufactured and no new installations are typically allowed (maybe airlines have an exception here?). Are there any allowed replacements for this today that use the same mechanism?
That fire effect on the couch at the start was really cool. Nice editing!
Short of actual acts of sabotage and terrorism, I can't think of a worse thing someone can do over lighting a Sterno can and flushing it into the poop tank. Hell, just knocking it onto the floor would be bad, but having a fire somewhere inaccessible to the flight crew (and near vital lines, cables and parts of the aircraft) is downright scary.
I think one point about the consequences of a fire onboard that was missed is that the fire might just as well start damaging cables and systems, so not only the fire is raging, the smoke is increasing and the danger piling, you might also be losing aircraft systems. Cannot be more scary.
Good video man, I was a firefighter for 7 years and got the opportunity to be a Lieutenant, I had to of course go through flashover training (one of the best live fire trainings I did, loved it) I also did aircraft firefighting training with the military based fire department that we had in the same area our jurisdiction was! I definitely understand everything you said, it's definitely crazy no being able to see when fighting fire. ARFF is definitely a unique part of the fire service, whoever flys with you is very lucky with your knowledge of aviation and the fire service!! Rock on man!
Great video as always! I'd suggest that charging your phone with a power bank should be forbidden and should be part of the cabin crew initial speach to the passengers.
Excellent coverage Petter. Well done!
That fire effect at 0:45 looked way too real 👀 ! Well done.
It brings back to memory the deadly fire in SAA 747 combi flight 295 !
Also the UPS Flight 6, Li-Ion batteries burst into flames on the cargo compartment, taking the aircraft down.
Reminded me of Saudia Flight 163. That was a really strange and sad incident.
@@annamallett879 Yes, Mentor linked the video from TheFlightChannel on the upper cards.
As an airline captain are you allowed to refuse to board this person? I wouldn't want him on board even if he had the sense to use a fake candle and not do it for real.
@Daniel Schein
Absolutely, the Captain is the last word in emergency situations like this.
why not just refuse to board anyone with items that can start a fire?
First you have to determine if the person is going to do something stupid like this. If they look and act normal that will be hard to do. And if items to be used are in their carry on or otherwise concealed, how is any going to be able to screen that person out?
That's why we have TSA/ airport security.
@@bishop51807 It's been proven that the TSA has been totally ineffective at finding dangerous contraband over and over again, and they have prevented ZERO terrorist acts.
0:42 Sofa is on fire and it looks absolutely great! Kudos to your 3D-artist!
Happened to me in Polish airlines flight from Chicago to Warsaw. Pilot announced that there was a fire in luggage compartment. We landed in Glasgow. Later they said that there was no fire but system falsely reported one and discharged all extinguishers. I was a dreamliner not long after series of fires from batteries. People were really scared. Some pregnant lady couldn't stop crying.
Yikes! I'm a pilot and also a blue water sailor. Fire in both of those cases is as Mentour Pilot says --- terrifying. At least on my boat I have a life raft. The only parallel in an airplane is a parachute. But imagine the horror in the passengers if they saw the pilots bail out.
Yes, but pilots in most commercial passenger aircraft don't have parachutes.
Our pilots do not have parachutes either. They have to fly down rapidly & climb out the window. Only military aircraft have bail out. You must be trained to jump or hurt or kill yourself if you hopped out in mid air. You also have to be 10000 ft. Up in order ti survive a jump. Low oxygen up higher.
There is nowhere to go... which makes it 2,000% worse to me!
So what he is saying is:
wouldnt it be nice if apple themself would give their customers access to certified batteries and a battery exchange service so ppl dont to a hackjob with their 1000 euro phone with cheap stuff from overseas...
Also: fire = bad.
They do, you just have to send the device to them 😫
As a Swiss Fierfighter I must say, really good explainig about the firedynamics. (Special your fire triangle realy good)
Thanks for the info....really meaningful and helps to explain things that I have had questions about......thanks!
Another problem with fires is they can eat through the controls/ control surfaces of a aircraft rather quickly. You may end up dead in a stall spin accident first ON FIRE due to a fire because the planes controls go away from the pilot. Another reason why fires are so dangerous on aircraft.
A example of this is the concorde crash where a inflight fire started from FOD, data recorders clearly show the pilots alive up until impact due to loss of control.
So fires are no joke on aircraft.
This channel has some really amazing 3D artists at work !
I am not into aviation, but the mentour pilot episodes are fun to watch, very well scripted, narrated and explained, even the technical stuff. Great graphics and CGIs add to it.
Thank you for the amazing work!
Wow... Amazing content as always 👍👍🙂 Visual effects were awesome. Thanks👍
Good info , sir Mentour. ThumbsUp!
I always wondered why it took so long to ban smoking on board! Thank you for another great video.
2 Perfect examples of how devastating in flight fires can be, look up - Swiss Air 111 & Valuejet Flight 592
On board fire is horrible!
I still remember the DC-9 ValuJet Flight 592 that was lost due to fire on 11 May 1996 in the Florida Everglades.
Thanks for sharing that subject
9000 hours flying time here... 4 engine failures which I was well twined for and handled with no loss of life and very minimal damage
One cabin fire though scared me beyond belief... Hester exhaust instllled backwards
No loses of life but major damage and mentour is right... fire is the biggest risk to aviation because we don’t really have the right gear and can’t sue to our environment
I can excuse the "Cooking With Hoarders" level of sanitary obliviousness, but the lack of seasoning on that meat is a war crime.
You only need a smudge of salt and pepper for good steak. hehe....
Hey, he poured some wine on there.... :-)
Somehow I don't think Gordon Ramsey would be giving our "Poo Chef" two thumbs up!
Dont worry he had plenty of brown sauce available.
Thanks for this important video, Petter! Happy Christmas!
We learn so much about flying on your channel THANK YOU!
When I first heard of this, I knew it was a hoax. Aircraft cans are equipped with very sensitive smoke detectors. Within seconds, the smoke alarm would have sounded and the pilot would be aware of it.
Forget the pilot...the fa having their lunch next to that door would knock within seconds
there arent sensor for idiots. and that sensitive smoke is a bullshit couse a tons of electric fire went undetected until was too late
@@riccardoz2953 Either English isn't your first language, or you are severely under-educated. It's quite apparent that you are not an aeronautical engineer.
@@NCF8710 yes english is not my first language and i apologize for grammatic mistakes, BUT, about sensors le'ts clarify it:
several planes crashed or had big problems on shorts and over heating, and there was smoke in the cabin\cockpit without any "smoke sensor" tripping alarm.
Smoke detectors detect smoke, not fire. u can have a fire in the toilet but unless enough smoke is made, the detector will not trip.
Also even if the smoke is present has to arrive to the sensor to be detected, if for any reason (like airflow, different pressure) doesnt trip the sensor.
About being or not an aeronautical engineer im not, but electronic devices are used in different fields so being a technician is enough to know how sensors works.
About Aeronautical engineer ... after boeing maX and litium battery packs that killed hundred of people ... being an aeronautical engineer doesnt means they are above all.
U should respect everybody, regardless his degree or workplace.
not to mention there's no way a candle could cook a steak the way he did it lol
It’s a fire tetrahedron. The 4th being the chemical reaction that allows the fire to be self sustaining. This is the basis of halons used in fire suppression.
This was a great tutorial and you gave a lot of good information! Thanks for sharing this and while it is a scary subject it something we all need to be aware of.
Great lesson...Much appreciated.
You don't hate fires until the fire extinguisher the apartment gave you didn't work when you needed it.
Another great video. I miss the doggies, where are they?
Great video! It was interesting to learn that you used to be a firefighter.
Great video on an important issue thanks sir!
1:30 We call them "Sterno" (brand name of gelled chafing fuel) here in the US.
Statistics have shown that once a fire had declared onboard of an airliner, there is in mean only 17 minutes before the plane to crash.
Fire in an airplane is terrifying. 😨
Indeed, the Swissair 111 fire and crash that happened here in Nova Scotia was less than half an hour from smoke in the cockpit to hitting the water in Saint Margarets Bay. Only about twenty minutes or so.
@@michaelrmurphy2734 That one always sticks out in my mind even among other airline disasters. There's something particularly grim about it. The final minutes onboard during which the airplane was completely dark, after radio contact was lost, are just unimaginable.
@@michaelrmurphy2734 thye had half an hour and did not land?
why?
@@samuelmatheson9655 The fire had gotten too out of control by that point. Since then it has been speculated that they might have been able to land here in Halifax. More likely is if they had gone straight to the airport they would have crashed over land. Somewhere between Saint Margaret's Bay and the airport. Very sad and terrible nonetheless.
@Michael R Murphy. I was speculating that the switching off the recirculating fans was the final nail in the coffin that sealed the fate of Swissair 111. So sad and tragic!
Thank you for this video. Retired FF here so great message. Thank you for your FF service. Stay safe.
Very clever video Peter..very well done as always.👍👍
I'm gonna have to push back on EASA trying to scare people from repairing their own phones. (Swapping out a dead or dying battery)
I've seen repair people purposely try to make these runway events and failing to do so.
Also we've seen people swap out batteries with a new authentic battery from a brand new phone give a warning that the installed battery is uncertified. These batteries are becomes serialized and tied to their original device.
I highly recommend checking out Louis Rossmann channel as he dose a far superior job explaing this.
With all that said, I'm so glad you produce this video. Thank you.
The thing that EASA is worried about is some counterfeit Chinese cell phone battery that ends up on cites like Alibaba and Ebay. Lithium Ion batteries are notoriously sensitive in how they're manufactured, and it's the knock offs that may have design and/or construction flaws (like metal flakes in the electrolyte solution) that makes them great fire hazards. I've replaced the battery in my Samsung Galaxy G3 several times, but I've always used a reputable brand from a reputable store like Batteries+. And even then, when I needed to replace the battery, it was puffing up like a hot pocket. (So, no bueno.) And the whole Samsung battery fiasco was specifically construction issues where metal flakes did end up in the electrolyte (for one brand) and crimping at the ends (for the other brand) causing the runaway effect and leading to fire. (Yeah, they had two companies making batteries, and both of them dropped the ball in regards to their quality.)
The EASA aren't speaking out against the right to repair. They're saying if you're going to swap out the battery in the phone, "don't cheap out with some dodgy shit."
I worked at a Samsung manufacturing plant, when the S7 issue started. Out of curiosity I punctured a battery from a different model, it caught fire in some 10 seconds, shooting a 15 cm flame, like a blowtorch. Really nasty stuff
Friendly reminder that the element lithium reacts violently with oxygen. Lithium ion batteries prevent oxygen from reaching the lithium with chemical coatings, but thermal runaway gets rid of that protection.
Also, I'm curious- is it considered self defense to punch someone or smack their hands if they light a fire near you in an airplane?
If someone is stupid enough to light a fire inside an aircraft then you'd better act first and then consider legality. It's better to be wrong than dead.
Great video today Mentour... It's powerful information for the flying community to have! I never really gave much thought to the issues with batteries but it makes sense! Thanks!!
Your editing was absolutely fantastic!
no, just fantastic
thanks for uploading this video! hope you have a nice time too and never a passenger who lights ur toilets.
I have never thought about this topic before (fighting fire in a plane) and if I see now, how well flight attendants are trained ALSO ON THIS, then it's even more than anyway a shame, how little they get paid, I'd like to see 10€ higher ticket prices JUST for better flight attendant payments.
Thought-provoking as always. After watching your videos, I am always challenged to rethink how I do my work as a semi-retired automation engineer trying to bring my client out of a chaotic mess created over the past 25 years. Thank you for your excellent work... I would be very happy knowing that you are in the cockpit when I am in the cabin!
I love how you explain things.