Traktor Pro 4 First Look - Big New Features! | Beatsource Tech
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Native Instruments seem to be keen to keep the momentum going with their Traktor Pro DJ software, after a long period of hibernation. In the new version 4, they finally bring variable beat grids to the app for the first time, and they’ve upgraded their existing stems infrastructure to introduce in-app stem analysis - and there’s plenty more to talk about, too. Mojaxx gives it a first look on the new episode of Beatsource Tech.
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They delivered the 2 most requested features in one update plus got rid of the subscription model. It's probably their best work in a decade. Glad NI is finally back!
Yeah, when I upgraded to 3, I liked that there was a limiter integrated but completely turned off from the upgrade. I get the need to pay a team to keep up the software but it just didn't feel like NI (and a whole lot of other subscription model software) were doing enough to justify the subscription model and there's no critical need to keep the subscription since it's not an operating system with needs for security patches.
Well, not that hard considering what they have (not) done in a decade...
(but hey - better later than never)
Flexible beatgrids which you have to manually beatgrid, so mojax doesn´t use it because he doesnt have time for it. however you can buy algoriddim dj for automatic analyzation and then buy a third party conversion tool to copy those grids to traktor.
Stem separation which hammers your cpu on the fly or messes up your hard drive when preanalyzed. preanalyzing also takes you ages because you cant batch analyze.
Have always loved Traktor and tried many others but something about Traktor just was smoothe. I was hoping for a video option even if an add-on purchase. But I do love the updates. For me one of the great features not often discussed that no other software has that Traktor has is the "recording auto-break" where you can make the settings for your recordings that it will break down the recordings into 700mb or 1gb or 2gb, which for me is a great feature instead on just one long recording - which if there is a problem or a failure you are not losing the entire project. At least with the auto-break feature is great.
Great job Traktor...now just add a Video option!
“djay can pretty much beat grid an audio book” is the best quote ever and a great testament to that feature! Lol
Traktorbros we are so back
🤭😳
I started my DJ career with Traktor software, unfortunately I went with pioneers stand alone systems and recently came back because I found mixing 2 songs together in the pioneer ui was boring for me and not a challenge.
What a year it’s been. The x1 mk3 got me back into traktor! I repurchased my 2x f1 kontrols and woke up to this major update. Still use rekordbox usbs for my club sets but traktor is the most fun I’ve ever had as a DJ and I use it for hours. Now with the stems upgrade we are really going to be able to push new levels with our music. I couldn’t be happier with NI’s comeback with Traktor pro 4 👏🏾
NI made their fan base happy again❤. We knew this day will come, and you did a good job. Thank you
@@BarakaDJ you must be joking ... Right 🤷♂️
@@user-sf7ip7ik9c IMAO, your lovely name, is the funniest joke.
Welcome back to the DJ game Traktor. We been WAITING
This is very welcomed as a long time Traktor user. I would like them to continue to develop the stems analysis to make it quicker and able to do batches. Work on the grids to make them work better with non-quantized tracks (live drummers).
Then focus on getting Traktor working natively with other manufacturers' hardware, specifically inMusic and Reloop.
inMusic hardware "working natively" with anything NI is about as likely as virtual DJ bringing their UI to at least mid 2000s best practice standards.
Reloop makes some really tough equipment.. i have some of those indestructible HPs of theirs for over a decade, and I toured for a few years!
My Kontrol S8 is finally going to thrive!
i was thinking the same not used it in years will dust it of and see
I started on Traktor 10 years ago and haven't upgraded or changed since. I absolutely love it. I know it's a long shot, but if they ever released a standalone I would be all over it. Especially since they have somewhat committed to not using a subscription model unlike the private equity-owned majors
Denon should have let them write the OS for their standalones and adopted all their beat griding.. just sayin
Wouldn’t be surprised if they make a standalone based on the Maschine+ platform. Overall some of the best UI in the industry and a solid release.
Great news.
I've been considering jumping ship in search of stems & flexigrids, but this hopefully means I can get another couple of years out of my fantastically reliable S4 Mk3.
Thank you NI! Now we need an update for the Traktor Z2
The lack of an update for the Z2 is the reason I'm actually considering the new Reloop Mixtour Pro.
Yes! We need a new Z2 asap
I am going to support this new upgrade, for the type of music & how I play Traktor is the one for me. I have tried them all and always keep come back to Traktor. Some of the gimmicks I hear people request really don't interest.
So now we need good new mixer like Z2 MK2 or somethink like this.
I was very upset when I couldn't find the Z2 on the website. I hope we'll see an update on the Z2 mixer (not the controller, but the mixer) in the near future.
The implementation of the new features still has room for improvement, but it is certainly a good starting point for future developments. I like the possibility of having modular setups. I dusted off my F1 and am now completely in love with it again. From now on, it will always come with me to gigs in my DJ bag.
rocking v4 this afternoon
the stems and pattern player works great with my D2s
In my opinion, NI was always the better alternative. It got a bit behind others because they were slow to react to new markets, and also because they didn't win the club scene marketing battle, but the built quality and love they put in they're product is unseen.
So glad to see Stems coming to Traktor - I hope that older NI stem-focused Controllers like the D2 are supported.
They are :)
Removal of SaaS is huge. Great to see the stems feature being added. Instant buy.
FINALLY! So glad to see a stems offering in Traktor now, I've been using NUO stems for a couple of months, and am glad to see NI finally incorporate this technology as a core feature. Partner that with flexible beatgrids, and we're back to seeing a strong contender in the market, a few more tweaks from mass user testing and I think the next update will really solidify NI's reputation again.
Traktor was the first DJ software to feature stems in 2016
Not convenient
Required external conversion
My best and most fun years of DJing were with an S4 MK1 and an F1. Sweetbaby jesus I am coming home to Traktor now. , x1 and an A&H Zone product me thinks....
As a lifetime Traktor user I feel seen by NI. Finally.
As they bought Izotope a long time ago it was ludicrous we had to wait this long for stem seperation.
I think the Ozone boost is going to be quite the gamechanger for where you can mix without an energy drop - so I'm really looking forwards to testing that.
All in all - I think it's a massive step forwards and they are back to where they should be imo
I've been using traktor 4 for a week now and I have to say the following, the main future I was expecting was the flexible beatgrid and I'm disappointed with them.
positives:
1) the ozone maximizer is brilliant! traktor always had the best sound quality, compared to other software's by far! now... whoaw! my mind was blown, better than ever! very useful in our work!
2) pattern players are amazing, all this drum machine's are great for live remix, amazing tool for us techno DJs! they work perfectly with amazing sound quality.
takes you to the next level of your dj abilities!
3) no subscription model.
4) stems
negatives:
1) flexible beatgrid we waited many years for traktor and unfortunately it is pure disappointment because you have to do them manually, they should have been at least automatic, after so many years of waiting, I expected it to be something like...2.5 beatgrid generation.
check out DJ PRO's liquid beatgrid THIS IS A GAME CHANGER!!
this is the main reason DJ PRO is selling like crazy.
the first thought I would work to update if I were NATIVE INSTRUMENTS would be to bring BEATGRID 3.0
2) NATIVE INSTRUMENTS please for many years to bring us new hardware!
now is the time!
we want a new Z2, we need deck's something like the Denon LC 6000 would be perfect for the traktor, we want new modular controllers, controllers.
3) we need a lot of new hardware to be plug n play with TRAKTOR, finally wake up and collaborate with other companies!!
NATIVE must to start making .tsi files for as many 3rd party hardware controllers as possible !
Held on to my S8 all these years knowing one day, Traktor would implement real time stems.. my prayers have been answered
Stem separation sounds alright. Still prefer Virtual DJ's but not bad. Overall looks like a good update and really like them not moving into the subscription model.
This is a step in the right direction. The step sequencer is really fun. It means you no longer need Ableton to sync to trigger some drums when you're playing live. The only thing that really takes too long is the stem creation. Serato is miles ahead, there the separation runs instantly in the engine. Perhaps the Izotope RX algorithm is also a bit too oversized here.
Good start to revitalizing the software. Now we just need third-party hardware support outside of Pioneer.
There’s got to be more gear coming along soon now (I hope). Interesting to see how this new update works with the X1 mk3 as well.
Yeah...I've been seeing NI ads in my various feeds lately. So that may be the case.
NI is back! YES!
I dont care about flexible beatgrid or stems .. just wanna Traktor to work flawlessly with the latest pioneer equipment specially for the XDJ ‘s series because those decks are flooding the dj booth in small club or bars .. and also the latest mixers and cdj 3000 for more big club / rave set up
Hallelujah!! About time…..!! As a longtime S4 + D2 user, I’m looking forward to giving this a spin this weekend…..
I'll consider Traktor again. I'll put it high on my list
I don't really care for any of these features, but let's go Traktor!
I’m glad I invested in Traktor S4 three years ago. This update looks really good.😊
Jaxx you gotta do a review on Virtual DJ Pro 2024 fam. That software is very nice and a lot of fun to work with...
the only feature i want is a usb library export to pioneer format so i can use traktor when i have my laptop and a cdj/rb deck when the club has that, and not have to maintain two parallel libraries
THIS
It will be affected by the 26ms Cues offset bug, however
*Traktor kind of disappeared out of the limelight after 2012 when Pioneer started making controllers for Serato.*
As much as I love Traktor, it still doesn't have support for Pioneer controllers and prob never will have. So having had an S8 and been with Traktor since the mid 2000's and then about a year ago, getting an XDJ-XZ and moving over to Serato...... I cant see myself ever coming back to Traktor.....which is sad......but true.
I'm upgrading!!!
Brilliant news! Still love Traktor
I hope they will find some use for the F1 controllers. It seems that they would be useful with all the new features like stems and patterns.
Levels and EQ on stems is something I really hope serato introduces, so Qudos to NI for this innovation, hopefully others will follow suit
Hello, if you have contact with the friends of native instruments, tell them that the news is good... but the real change is in the serato flip. Automatic jumps of the parts of a song that we do not need to hear, such as intros or very long stops. .recommend serato FLIP
Asking me if I’m going to upgrade is like asking are we keeping the baby 😅🎉🎉🎉🎉
Awesome! Waiting for that since years! I think Native Instruments is back in town! Good work !
Anything that says an almighty f you to subscription models gets a thumbs up from me
Now kids from Club Standard district have nothing to blame. Except their old recyclables with Rekordbox 7. I'm not on the path to upgrade for now because i have ears and don't struggle with visual beatmatching, but i want to download trial version to prove that my controller from 2011 still works
As a Traktor user for the last 10 years - haven't switched, and have been on the lookout for a Serato controller, any update to the software is welcomed.
Thanks for the look. I was hoping your preview would be up already.
Never thought I'd see the day!
So glad I stuck it out with Traktor. Been using version 2.11 for about a decade, didn't bother with 3 because of the Retina display issues. If they can bring that support to 4 along with all these new features and scrapping the subscription model, the sky is the limit! Well done Native Instruments, it took a while but we finally got there in the end!!
I think the still work on real time stems as thats they forward for many open format djs
On the NI promotional videos, Sylwia states they have utilised their acquisition of iZotope and use the RX11 tech for the stem separation tech (just because you mention at around 11:00 that you don't know what underlying tech they are using).
We will find an explanation of this on djtechtools too.
I love Traktor, just updated now, but seeing as phase have done their bit where the hell is HID support Guys?
Am not updating yet because stems still need work but way to go tractor 👏🏽.. And yes My z2 needs update
Still waiting for Video support. If i was doing a bunch of gigs without video all the time I would pickup pro4 right now to try. I have been wanting stems since traktor 1st did it. I own a pair of F1's because I loved the idea so much. But only ever played like 3 gigs with it back i n the day. Having another option would be nice.
stem separation powered by iZotope’s legendary RX technology.
a new traktor controler with a screen on it
One day a one that doesn't need a bloody laptop or pc that would be the next level
I think it likely they'll come up with a new Controller with bigger screens indeed. D2 and S8 are really nice, will go up again in 2nd hand value. Would live to see an S8 MkII or S4 MkIV 🥳
The best is back
I literally thought yesterday: "I wonder how that flexible beat grid is coming along for traktor?" and then this happens. So excited. If it works well I'll be so happy. I don't need to sync everything but if a disco track has a little travel from grid I don't have to go to anotehr program wo quantize etc etc etc. edit: doesn't seem to quite there yet but I'm happy there's some development on this front. idgaf about stems but better gridding tools YES PLS
Yesss
Very well said about the "flexible grid"!
You know that there is only one DJ software with fluid beat grid aka beat grid 3.0 (Djay Pro 5) and their windows version is way behind there MAC/IOS version. So, to say something about flexible beat in Traktor Pro 4 when it's the same for all other DJ Program. Serato DJ 3.15, Virtual DJ 2024, Rekordbox 7, Engine DJ 4. Well, let me correct that because Deckadance had fluid beat grid since 2015 but they were bought by inmusic and you never heard from Deckadance again. But Deckadance was way way ahead of its time. Even today it has features that none of the top tier DJ software has. Looking at you inmusic but you are worried about Serato DJ being bought by Alpha Theta.
Finally an update. They are so long between updates that I just gave up with it. Also some of these look half finished.
Still getting rid of the subscription s is awesome.
True while you can not batch process Stems in Traktor 4 you can however process many files to be processed one after another like queueing. While processing one file I wanted to see if I could process more, so I clicked on another file to generate stems while the previous file was still generating. I did the process about four more times. The outcome was great when one file finished the other started automatically it continued this cycle without any additional interaction from me until all songs were completed "Queueing". It uses a lot of CPU but, this method works just set it and forget, and it will complete the task. I have not tried to do more than 10 files in my testing. I'm sure I will steadily increase the number to see if there is a breaking point.
Trator 4 and rekordbox 7 works with flexible beatgrids in the same way. Manually
Awesome!!!!
Now we only need a new version of the s8 and the d2
No subscriptions! That's great!
I lost all faith, and here we are. They can top it off only by releasing Z3, since Z2 was a perfect battle mixer, serving me for almost a decade, but it's way outdated now.
So can you essentially beatgrid a live drummer whose tempo drifts, or is it simply a convenient for electronic tracks with changing, but still perfectly spot-on, tempo? In other words, could you warp a 50-year-old Funk track the way you can with Ableton? NI isn't very clear on this.
You can definitely do live drummer tracks, it’ll require a lot of grid markers though.
Finally …. So very happy
TRAKTOR, IM COMING BACK BABY!!! VDJ MEANT NOTHING I SWEAR!!!
The removal of SaaS makes it an instant sale from me, though i’ll probably wait until black friday as they always have a sale on before upgrading
Also, Pioneer removing support for last week’s controller because planned obsolescence, and the mapping system can’t understand that pressing and releasing a button is 2 separate midi note messages vs NI letting you download a mapping to let you control it with a 1949 sunbeam radiant toaster from the DJtechtools forums.
Kinda what started me switching a few months ago, which I should really finish doing
Just need a standalone controller like what they did for Machine+ and I might thinking about switching back from my Denon. (....maybe, Since I love my Prime)
Congratulations for this update. I'm frustrated about stems separation as it takes space on the HD and can't be done in batches but one track at a time. Not very useful.
Batch processing will be added back in an update.
I'm a Traktor user since its launch in 2000. The software still has catching up to do but it always had its strengths (like excellent DVS, FX, beat detection, and flexible midi mapping) that come into its own now with the version 4 update. Best feature by far is the fixed price though and its inclusion with the controller hardware. I still would love for NI to open its platform more to other hardware makers though. The closed ecosystem strategy they switched to at some point has clearly been a failure for them.
Curious if they will be coming out with a new controller this year.
Nice review good to hear there is a team working on Traktor now. I take issue with your nuo-stems comment though - "quality of algorithm not good enough to recommend"?! 😂 Easily on par or better than any algorithm out there, and crucially it's a tool which let Traktor users take advantage of stem functionality.
I did like the way nuo-stems worked, but once VDJ Stems 2.0 and Algoriddim's latest stems dropped, stock Demucs wasn't really cutting it for me anymore.
I watched the Stems Comparison video by DJ NUO including the Traktor Pro 4 stems and to my ears Nuo Stems 3.0 and Traktor Pro 4 create the most useable stems of all the DJ Software programs. Really interested to see how things will have progressed in a year or two.
Traktor was my first DJ Software. I haven’t used it nearly 10 years.
Im new to djing. I like the perpetual license "feature".
Seems like a good update, my only issue is every club near me uses CDJ/Serato so I can only really use this when im doing everything myself
“Beatgrid an audiobook” 😂😂😂😂
Can please anyone answer this now the beatgrids are flexible will using timecode vinyl be better its never felt right to me on traktor
I know it's a big task but I wish they would re-program the whole app. These new features just seemed to be blutacked onto TP3. The stems as you pointed out, is really what you could do before, just more convienent within the software. Flexi beatgrids are very welcome but could of used algorithm djay approach.
The best part is being non-subscrition.
As for now I don't see any point with upgrading. I have used Traktor long enough that the Flexi beat grids isn't much of an issue with what I play and I can make stems when I need using other software.
I will wait until it becomes cheaper and hopefully improved.
Haha he is waiting until its cheaper🤣🤣🤣 its only 150! Virtual dj is 399 and upgrading traktor is only 75. If you dont want to pay this little money djing is not for you.
More streaming possibilities like Tidal. I use Tidal now for my Belgium music for weddings... that's not available on other dj streaming services. Maybe they can be the first to at Apple Music ;-)
Well I'm happy ❤
Add TIDAL to streaming……Im all in. Just need to blow the dust off my brand new looking S4 & S2 MK3’s.
The batch mode will be coming soon on an update so we shouldn't be waiting too long
is there any open AI sources or website can fix beatgrid (wrap) of any song exact on beat ? 🙏🙏
My biggest pet peeve with Traktor has been key lock quality for some time now and I don't understand how it's not a bigger topic. It's just bad, sounds horrible, while Serato kills it on that front. If NI implement a better key lock algo, that's an instant get for me, until that time comes I think I'll stay on T3.
Wow finally. Great they did away with the pro plus. Maybe win back some rekordbox users with older gear that’s not compatible anymore.
Never
At this time with new update i dont see me move to any other software,unless i grab a gear thats not compatible with traktor
They got lots of work to do!!
Sup Mojax; Ive got just 1 tiny gripe matey. It's a shame you didn't loop a bar from each of the tracks, and run through the 4 different stem options to truely get a reasonable feel of the revamped "STEMS" options.
Sorry Mo I feel like I'm just picking,but I've subscribed to your channel now for 5 - 6 years and this is my first gripe Ive had with you! (Clearly it's obvious that I'm a dedicated Traktor user!)
Is your crystal ball suggesting N.I may release an updated Z2 mixer in the foreseeable?
Props for all the dope content geezer
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Looking forward to trying it out.
question: most of the vid, the platform looks like a sleek black, but in one shot, the color changed to its old color. which one is it?
Those to congratulate for dropping the subscription model are probably the users that didn't buy into it :)
Regarding only being able to create stems one track at a time rather than in batches....
Fill a playlist with the tracks you want to analyse
Right click the 1st track & select "generate stems". Analysis starts
Right click the 2nd track & select generate stems. Traktor will add it to the queue to analyse
Rinse & repeat
Still manual work
@@djestrela2 At least you can queue them up, & go & do something else.
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