Why 3D Ghibli Doesn't Work
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what’s your favorite ghibli movie???
Spirited away
I really like ponyo
Dragonball Z
The Wind Rises!
I adore Howl's moving castle!
I always heard that ghibli actions look like how things feel. The giant tears looks like how it feels to be crying uncontrollably, the food looks like how it smells and tastes
It doesn't
I think this is a really good description
woah
This makes sense.
My goodness, the food, ESPECIALLY the FOOD!
We need to stop thinking of 3D animation as the successor to 2D. They are different mediums, and they have their time and place. This studio is so cherished because we appreciate their dedication to detail in each frame. And 2D animation, in my opinion, gives the artists so much more freedom.
Yes!! Wonderfully said
for sure but we also shouldn't write off 3D because of a poor implementation of it. the new ghibli is just bad animation and models of course its off putting. but something like Into the Spiderverse represents 2D in 3D so well every frame is like a comic strip. People here on RUclips make great 3D ghibli stuff. ruclips.net/video/AjVdhaHzO9c/видео.html&ab_channel=Kevandram
3d gives freedom as well, just differently. Honestly, there is nothing wrong with Ghilbi trying new mediums. They fail in some aspects, they learn what's working and how to adapt their style and make it distinctive. People were saying that Disney shouldn't do 3d, but they managed to polish their style, Coco, Soul, Tangled were beautiful and didn't lack expressions.
It doesn't necessarily mean Ghilbi will stop doing 2d. Just because we love them because of 2d, It doesn't mean their attempts at trying something new should be frown upon.
Demon Slayer beat Spirited Away's Box Office record in Japan and it uses a lot of CGI, the problem isn't CGI, just poor implementation.
You all need to stop thinking 3D animation is in some type of competition with 2D animation, is there is one studio in the world who will try new things that is Studio Ghibli and i really love how they didnt got stuck on doing only what fans order them to do and just did what they felt like i hope they dont sell out and start doing fan service movies
what they really lack is the hair expanding every time something incredible is happening
I never really thought about that, but it totally does lol.
Long time ago a friend explained that hair and clothes being ruffled in such moments is to represent a presence of the divine.
Lol
Yea like when Kiki starts flying
Hackles
This movie looks more like a netflix series than a Studio Ghibli movie.
Tru
Yes
Ouch
Agreed.
Yes!!!
i feel kind of bad for goro miyazaki. everyone criticizes him so hard for not being the same as his father. that expectation must take a toll on his life
The Miyazakis are dysfunctional aren’t they?
I really do hope he finds his own style that pays the right balance of homage to his fathers work but also finding a new path.
Yeah, i get that, but also his movies are not that good, even without comparing them to his father's works.
@@Hopper_Arts maybe it's due to the pressure of continuing his dad's legacy. he should honestly just make what he wants to make bc i feel like he's being really limited to a specific genre that he's not well versed in
Yes... I really mad when i watch this movie (i am a huge Ghibli fan), not knowing it is direct by Goro Miyazaki, but now i feel really bad for it, i mean, the 3d quality actually really good, just need the "umph" like other Ghibli movies
My biggest disappointment with this movie is how, despite it being a cgi movie, they don’t take full advantage of the medium. A film like Ratatouille can make the culinary dishes look so tasty and vibrant, so don’t understand why they would go for a more realistic and bland looking food for this clearly cartoony setting. CGI is also great at applying cloth and hair physics, like in any Pixar movie or the recent Lupin the 3rd cgi movie. This just feels like a 2d movie that was simply remade with a CGI coat of paint. So disappointing.
Also, the story sucks.
I think they really underestimated how expensive and just how much work goes into 3D films. I think they though “Oh we masted 2D so 3D will be a cinch!” And it wasn’t.
@@LaLaLaLaNom yeah, you can really tell this was a first attempt for Ghibli. Thankfully from what I’ve read, the studio will still pursue 2D going forward. CGI is a completely different medium from hand drawn and thus different rules apply to how to make them properly and requires talented artists for that medium to pull it off.
What’s the story about?
Also, I actually feel sorry for Goro about the situation.
Damn I just found out about these two cgi movies. I can’t believe they’re remaking Lupin I love that movie so much but they’re gonna ruin it
The hand drawn animation is what made me obsessed with ghibli movies since the first time I watched spirited away. It being in 3D takes all the life, and what made it magical all away
it's like watercolour pictures that magically move on their own... out of a child's fairytale storybook.
@@Lil72722 : Agreed -- And that's BTW what people also often say about Disney's early 2D animated features like _Snow White_.
Its not the hard drawn you liked. You liked the decisions HOW they have drawn it.
This good decisions are just missing in this movie.
There are so many other 3D movie where it works which proves that its not the fault of the medium.
@@KalkuehlGaming Agree, and I would add that while you can enjoy poorly drawn or animated movies in 2D, I feel like there is nothing as unappealing as bad 3D animation. But maybe that's just me.
I feel like they will go back
When he said "a 2d character in ghibli movie can stare into space without moving can make me cry for 2hours " Gosh you just spoke my mind
That line reminded me of the train scene in Spirited Away and about shed a few tears😭
@@jasonzavala6631 aw hell yeah
@@jasonzavala6631 wow you cry way too much. The only time I've ever cried in a movie was probably when I was a baby and also when I watched the start of the tale of the Princess Kaguya. Maybe I just don't cry that much.
@@Xavier17.5wow, you’re just plain rude. Heavens forgive someone has feelings
@@-suguru- I can't understand what you're saying
it looks like a Ghibli scene remake you'd find on RUclips lmao; it seems so lifeless compared to 2-D
You mean 2-D?
@@leifhelland6313 mhm, sorry about the error
Bruh it’s in ur profil pics name!??? Come on man. Disgrace to the band. Not a true fan.
Ha! you said 2d! get it because your profile picture
profile pic checks out
I can’t imagine having a man as extremely well known and revered as Miyazaki as my dad and trying to reach his expectations. It has to be crippling.
Miyazaki's a pretty big asshole too from what I've heard, especially to his son. His movies are killer though.
Hayao literally told Goro that one of his movies (after leaving the theather in the middle of the film) was trash and all of his movies will still be trash if he doesn't "grow up", he looked so damn dissapointed that he went directly to smoke a cig, savage af.
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@@thedudeguy242 There's a difference between having unrelenting standards and being an asshole.
A fine line perhaps, but an important distinction nonetheless.
2D animator here!! I think the reason why the 3D style just doesn't work for Ghibli is because in this point in time, it seems like the studio is trying to find that sweet spot between maintaining their signature style while also pushing the limits of the medium they're working in. 3D animation has always been a difficult thing for me to work with because you're constantly fighting between cartoony and realism. The entire movie feels like a struggle between the two styles, whereas with Ghibli's 2D style, they know what works for them and so do we, as viewers. I do feel like some people tend to discredit 2D animation because it's been largely used for a younger audience (especially in Western media), but there are some things that translate so much better in 2D then it does in 3D or CGI, because our brains are constantly trying to translate 3D to realism that fits within our real, physical world. Pixar displays insanely realistic renders and props that could easily be shoved into reality and fit perfectly, but then you have their characters with obviously disproportionate features that would look so out of place because we know that's not how people look in real life. You look at hand-drawn fire and it moves and looks like fire, but you know that's not what /real/ fire looks like. Idk, some food for thought, but personally that's why I like 2D because it's kind of on its own level of perception that just...works?
Any tips for anyone trying to enter the business/get started?
I love this comment. Ooh hey. Some movies use 2d and cgi/3d together. For example: Pokémon: Celibi. We go through a forest and to my eyes it looked so real, and now that I looked back? It seemed like they were using 3d/cgi elements. Hm. Maybe Earwig and the witch would've done better if they used a sort of combination of both...
@@imsorryrumham7686 Does the youtuber had a Chinese accent? I heard that same comment about this movie from accented cinema
I too prefer 2D animation, especially the animation we use to have with Don Bluth. I wish we had more of 2D than 3D. 2D is just more magical, or as Walt Disney once said, "A pencil can be like a magic wand, bringing characters, creatures, and magical places to life." At least, that's what I think he said.
Oh! So it's like the suspension of disbelief between theatre and film!
The 3D animation quality is also straight-to-DVD-tier.
It looks like an animated movie I’d see on Cartoon Network in the mid 2,000s
Sir Billi had better animation
Reminds me of scary Godmother, I think it had sooo much potential and I think some elements are brilliant. The framing of the scenes was good and some of the special effects look good. It’s the facial expressions and lighting that ruin it for me.
it's similar to an indie short film almost
@@digitominal it's kinda does a bit😅
can we popularize 2D animation again?? why does everything have to evolve to become 3D and CGI, why can't some mediums just stay the same.
it's less practical for movies nowadays, 3D is usually quicker and better paid.
Its not better paid if they loose a big fanbase. Which I think they would, if they only focused on 3D.
@@-postapokalypso-7289 true, since most animation studios like diney or pixar use 3D nowadays, Ghibli stands out since they still use 2D animation which is why they have a loyal fanbase.
If theyre low on budget, I wouldnt mind them using 3D animation but since it's ghibli's first time, its a pretty bad first impression and it may lead to fans worry about future projects.
@@quopi7183 yeah and they’re not low on budget, ghibli is one of the largest animation studios in the world with so many critically acclaimed movies that they could receive backing from anyone if they wished so it really doesn’t make sense.
3D and CGI is just quicker and cheaper, unfortunately big corporations such as Disney popularized the medium because they’re able to pump out movies super quick and make a shit load of money. 2D animation focuses on quality over quantity, something that capitalist filmmakers can’t afford.
karsten: "ghibli food looks better than real food"
me who's been obsessed with the dumplings in spirited away since i was 7: correct
DUDE SAME
@@stupidass69420 stop they look SO good!!!
The red bean buns on the veranda 🤩
that bacon from Howl's, the closest i've ever gotten was my gramma's bacon
Same, knowing that thing will never exist makes me wanted even more ; ;
"3d anime was a mistake."
- Hayao Miyazaki
"Go back I want to be 2D"
I could not agree more
How so?
Its like the whole logo redesign thing
From the CGI artist perspective, the film itself is student quality.
Shots fired 👀
Oof this comment 😂
I really wish studio ghibli immediately come back to hand drawn animation, it's one of the reasons that makes them special.
I'm pretty sure that this is a different part of Studio Ghibli that managed the 3D. So don't worry, the main part will still make 2D movies!
Bruh it was their first 3D animated film ever made? Wtf you on? I’m pretty sure after it getting bad reviews in Japan and not doing well in box office I’m gonna take a wild guess and assume they’ll go stay in there 2-D lane.
They are. Hayao’s beast of a film has been in production for years and is still nowhere near finished - that’s where all the time, resources and experience are. Remember - this was a cheap, made for TV experiment made with a new crew and directed by a former architect who was forced into his dad’s industry - only to be criticised by him. This certainly isn’t Ghibli’s long term direction!
@@ihavenoname.6078 theses people hate experimentation
@@ihavenoname.6078 I understand the original comment though, since a lot of companies are starting to use 3d or already use it, it feels like 2d animation is being viewed as "outdated". So of course if Studio Ghibli switched to 3d it would be really sad, but I don't think they're doing that any time soon.
Goro wants to be his dad, but he should be himself.
is it bad that i just wanna give Goro a hug. the man needs a W but he just can’t get one.
@@sids5514 i know same :( and it's a lot of pressure to be doing the same things as his father when hayao is already kind of like an unreachable standard
@@bruh2843 exactamundo
Goro might acomplish so great things if he stops being forced to hide under his father's shadow.
No matter how many fails he gets in his carreer, i hope him the best in the future.
Idk, kinda seems like what he’s doing here. Innovating and bringing new techniques to the studio. It didn’t work too well here, but neither did Disney’s first 3DCG outing.
I really like that you brought up Soul as an example of CGI animation looking and feeling "real". The animation in that movie is an example of how to do CGI right.
the volumetric characters were amazing in soul. such an interesting technique
Soul released at a bad time, legit didn't hear it even released.
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i think what makes ghibli’s 2D animation so great is that every frame feels like a piece of art. when you get into 3D animation, it loses that feeling of stepping into a painting, where someone has created each background, each person and object by hand. it feels impersonal.
So ur saying no one make each person object and background in a 3d scene have u never made 3d art before?
3D Animation can still be as gorgeous as 2D where every frame just looks fantastic to look at. If you played video games like God of War or watched a movie like the Spiderverse, you can see how much effort they put into making a really immersive world to get lost at; kind of like a walking painting of sorts.
@@bluethumbbuttoneek9465 i said by hand. it doesn’t feel like it’s made by a person, it feels like it’s made by a computer.
@@lupaloops4166 you’re totally right - i shouldn’t have generalized. i mostly meant about this specific film where the animation is pretty lack luster. my main point is that i think the specific charm of a ghibi movie comes from the painting-like atmosphere 😊
@@solastacey127 it looks like the monster house movie..
One of the things I noticed with this film is the lack of wind. There's so much wind in other ghibli movies. I think this project was doomed from the start. If they had done 3d animation with the same immersive detail and movement as their 2d films, it could fall into the uncanny valley.
I’m sorry, but what you are saying doesn’t really make sense. How is uncanny valley connected to wind sim in 3D environment?
@@TheRustyguY yeah, if anything adding more movement to this movie would be such an improvement!
@@TheRustyguY hah yeah reading this back, I didn't make my thoughts super clear. I kiiinda combined what should have been two comments into one. I just (separately) think that the lack of wind in this movie is really odd, and that these character designs would be really unsettling if they moved realistically. That second part might just be me though, I'm also of the opinion that Stephen Spielberg's Tintin had real creepy animation. The textures and movement are so realistic, and half of the characters even have realistic proportions, but half of them don't?? I think this movie would fall into that too if they tried harder on the movement of it.
For me yeah it's the wind & lighting. They look like animated dolls.
@@TheRustyguY I don't know. Maybe you should check out on some RUclips artist where replicated Ghibli film scene using Blender. Not gonna lie, he used 2D drawings in a 3D software and that's called "greasepencil".
I think it's that awkward first 3d movie thing. Hopefully they get a hang of that.
Also am i the only one who things the movie looks too dark at times?
yes! I wanted to appreciate the whimsy of the potion making room, but I couldn't see the ingredients half the time!
Definitely! The dark scenes remind me of cgi movies that make almost everything dark to hide their mistakes. Ghibli manages to make their 2D night scenes feel alive with different shades of blue, but the new movie doesn’t have that.
I hope they don't get the hang of it and return to form. Animated media is so inundated with this style and it's becoming more lifeless with each itteration.
yep, it’s way too dark. that’s something i’ve noticed about older like barbie movies too, they’re always very dark. this movie reminds me a lot of those old barbie movies in the animation style, they look similar and they make me wanna turn the brightness up
I just hope they stop trying.
I still cannot forget Princess Mononoke, even though I watched it a few times. The 2D style just looks... dreamy and lucid, and serene like I feel good remembering how the background and characters look like, same goes with other Ghibli films I watched.
My best guess about why Earwig feels off (especially compared to the 2D Ghibli films) would be stiffness. With the characters, each expression seems to toggle on or off, without smooth changes or variations of the expression. With the clothes, the cloth just hangs straight down, unaffected by a passing breeze. With the food, each item acts more like a shaped brick than something that can be squeezed and torn. With the worm scene, each worm searches for the hole like a robot and goes in like it's getting sucked in by a vacuum, and her hands just switch from holding it to releasing it, without moments of stroking it or moving to catch it if it starts to fall.
Exactly! I always love in Ghibli films when a character is chocked or really happy because their face building into that expression like a rollercoaster. They don't just go from one expression and snap to the next
I can really feel Goro struggling under the image of his father. I think he should focus on smaller projects and try out different things that have a lot of soul in them, that come from his heart and not his pursuance of his fathers image. He could become something even better than his father if he can get past this barrier.
Well this was exactly that, it's a TV movie.
goro doesn't even want to animate.
@@shinjikun10yt69 Why would you think that?
@@tvsonicserbia5140 he started on a different career just to escape the shadows of hayao.
@@shinjikun10yt69 Yes but he became a director, at around the same age Hayao did too.
That shot of Earwig laughing is really interesting because it’s one of the few shots from the movie in this video where the character models have any sort of flexibility. And I feel like that’s the real Ghibli touch: the elasticity of motion. Characters and landscapes and objects are all alive in Ghibli films, almost to the point where everything in the frame seems like it’s secretly breathing. In this movie, they all look static and dead. A 3D movie in the Ghibli style and tone could be breathtaking. Goro just doesn’t have the chops yet to make that work. Or he and his team aren’t willing to put in the effort to do so. Hopefully he improves in the future. Most animators do.
You took the words out of my mouth, I was thinking just that. The 3d just feels bland and I don't know how they could capture the movement and expression of 2d with out it looking creepishly cartoonish and awkward as that mouth scene seemed to me. Maybe they just need more practice and effort... idk, I have my doubt. It makes me sad to see a Ghibli film turn out this way, hopefully this won't become the norm.
The animation in "Lupin III The First" absolutely avoided that. During quiet moments the characters move in realistic and relaxed ways, but during action/slapstick scenes there is a lot of flexibility and somewhat of a 3D squash and stretch, but without being over-exaggerated like Hotel Transylvania or Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs. Not to mention that the facial expressions are excellent.
In this video when I saw the "laughing face" of the girl protagonist I was like "Whoa, shit, another actual facial expression that isn't just your shitty plastic doll frown lessened or exaggerated!"
I agree with you, but I think after having the characters be static the entire film, that sudden laughing shot scared the shit out of me... definitely uncanny valley territory
I feel like it's less of a lack of effort and more of a lack of experience
@@magipup7698 Agreed! Most artists build their experience in the shadows, they don't just manifest fully formed: Goro has the unfortunate privilege of legacy, honestly, I believe the best thing he could have done was start in a different company and work his way up, make his mistakes away from the spotlight.
I can tell you what is wrong with this movie: lack of experience. Ghibli has 0 experience animating in 3D and you can clearly tell, because they forget two key elements of CGI animation, the importance of good ilumination and ambient occlussion. Their shots feel flat because they don't add any depth of field to the shot, their characters look plastic because they don't apply a different light source to them to add more detail or accentuate their features.
They are applying 2D techniques and knowledge to a new medium, and they just don't mesh well. Not having depth of field could be excusable in a traditional scenario, because you can simulate it by the level of detail of your drawings. You can dictate all the lighting in the scene when drawing it by hand, but when working on 3D you need to apply a subtle yet different lighting to the models or else they'll feel like plastic. Them feeling plastic may also be a problem of the shaders they used for the material.
I believe we shouldn't judge them that hard for their first attempt at 3D animation, since they must feel like a fish out of the water. But it's clear their talent is in 2D. It would be cool if they learned to make 3D as well, they could produce amazing movies with CG, since the particle effects they have were very good anyway. Or even better, they could apply what they learned and apply it to 2D, you could save up so much time and do so much more detailed effects thanks to implementing 3D software into 2D animation. Just look at Claus.
This
You should’ve seen Winx Club: The Mystery of the Abyss, their animation was recycled from the TV show. And it looks pooooooooorrrrr!!!!
I agree!
It depends on how the 3D is handled. If it uses cel-shading to mimic 2D then it can be just as captivating as Ghibli's traditional animation. Ni no Kuni is a great example of the iconic Ghibli style being transliterated into 3D without coming across as sterile or soulless.
@@kaitlynnelimbergvoiceactingoff Budget reasons, my dude.
@@liansmith4038 not necessarily, 3d models need a lot of computing power and new systems to simulate (those unnecessarily complex fur, hair etc) and render frames so it needs more technicians(3d modellers, technicians, riggers, lighting artists etc) than 2d animation
@@khantnyarhtun2387 Not necessarily that, either. With 3d, you model something and rig it a single time, and then you can use it whenever, wherever, and however you need to. Making 100 frames of animation with a 3d character takes barely a fraction of the time it would for a 2d character.
Similarly, you only need to light a scene and create a shader that determines how the models receive and display that lighting a single time, as well, so instead of having to render each frame individually, you can just make sure it works in general and you don't have to mess with it again until you need to light another scene- but at that point you don't have to re-write a shader, because you already have one.
You don't have to resort to slow simulations for fur or hair or cloth- you can just hand animate it, too. But these days, those simulations don't take very long at all- many programs allow you to pre-bake the result of the simulation, after which you don't need the simulation anymore.
3d is basically almost entirely one-and-done for the majority of a project's resources.
@@kaitlynnelimbergvoiceactingoff have you ever watched Spiderverse or Arcane? That’s why
I agree that it depends on how the 3D is handled as well. There's an analysis video from Accented Cinema that goes all-out on the issues it has as a 3D animated film.
I hate how the main characters face looks weirdly like those animoji things on Iphones
Omg, it does.. it does😫
God, that explains even better why I hate it so much.
Really well put! I've done graphic design for about 16 years, including some 3D work, though I would never claim I'm an EXPERT. The two things that stand out as wrong to me in this film are lighting and tweening. Nearly every shot has a very dim, colorless, cold lighting style, as if the room is lit by the cold morning light. Ghibli films always had bright, colorful and deliberate lighting, emphasizing the most important parts in a shot.
The second problem I see is the tweening, that's when you take two poses and use the computer to transition between those two poses. It results in very sterile, robotic movements that don't feel natural or lifelike - compared to the hand-drawing of every frame you see in traditional animation.
The lighting really is the biggest issue. As for tweening, I think you're partially right. Thing is, almost all cg animations use tweening, it's the default after all. Still, pixar movies look great, why? Since the animators know how to set keyframes optimally and also adjust the animation curves for natural and pretty interpolation in-between keyframes. I think this is a symptom of unskilled computer animators, much as the lighting must be due to unskilled lighting and lookdev artists, and the supervisors can't have been very experienced either. I just wanna point out that the reason why this movie doesn't look great isn't really because of the medium, but the unskilled use of it (and I'm sure you didn't mean to trash 3d or anything, I'm just commenting here for anyone part of the "3d sucks"-crowd to see and gain some additional understanding).
Also, can't wait for the 3rd part of the cyberpunk docu! Really impressed and entertained by the previous two, fantastic work!
You're right on the money IMO
to add to this, the 'weight' doesn't seem right either. the way she jumps into that lady's arms seems so so so off. the way she walks is too 'floaty'. it's all just so off-putting.
I think we all can agree that they Grease pencil is a great mixture of both.
Poses. Gods, how much headache i had with these back in the day, having to literally make pose frames between poses to get a real look and not pistons and hinges XD
"I was the only one among the people at Ghibli who knows that method of creation, so I was able to push the project forward without consulting with anyone," Goro Miyazaki said in a press conference according to Mainichi Shimbun's Mantan Web (via the Anime News Network). "Hayao Miyazaki told me to go ahead with it, and producer Toshio Suzuki encouraged me, saying that it seemed like a fine idea, but after that, I was left to my own devices. I was basically abandoned, so I made the anime with a young staff and didn't consult with the old guys at all."
This was also a made for TV production and possibly (almost certainly) had a much smaller budget and team.
Amogus
@@thatonedude1835 very insightful
Ni no Kuni is how you do 3D Ghibli right, shit looks gorgeous.
Yeah! Especially with the outlines. It feels like it's both 2d and 3d.
Yep. It just looks more sphere-y 2d.
It's so awkward bc you can FEEL how they wanted 3D's best impression on 2D. Instead of taking advantage of what 3D has to offer...
5:07 That laughing face terrifies me
We need a jumpscare warning lol
I actually kinda like it. Feels like the kind of exaggerated expression you’d see in something 2D
@@newdivide9882 Glad you liked it then
was it just me who got disgusted by that worm in a hole scene.....
I see that shit in my nightmares
Pixar needs to give Studio Ghibli lessons just like they did with Disney.
Yup. But idea behind Ghibli is that they don't make in 3D coz in 3D movement doesn't look so clear.
Here's the thing. I absolutely understand why it seems as though CG could never work for Ghibli. I partially agree, and I'm a 3D Artist. When it comes to Ghibli, they've gotten an incredibly unique and instantly recognizable style in 2D, and it feels like that charm is lost when they switch to 3D like this. However, I absolutely think it could work, as long as they do it right, if they use one special thing:
NPR.
For those unfamiliar, NPR stands for Non-Photorealistic Rendering. Essentially, 3D that emulates a 2D Style. Some great examples of this are movies like Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse, games like BOTW, Wind Waker, Jet Set Radio, and shows like Hi-Score Girl, Revisions, and The Dragon Prince. Under the right circumstances, this style can get all the charm that comes with 2D, in a 3D space. But it's a dangerous path to walk, as it can also fail miserably, as shown by shows like Berzerk 2017 and Ex-Arm. When it works, however, it REALLY works.
“I wouldn’t say Ghibli doesn’t work in 3D”
*the video is called why 3D Ghibli doesn’t work*
Cl ick ba it.
@@dmarsub You're being ironic right?
i can't imagine what gaoro went through to make that film with a whole new team and no support from his dad. that whole sink or swim mentality really put pressure on his son. and this style of art could have worked perfectly like it did for spiderverse, lupin the third, and even something like coraline.
Coraline was stop-motion, not CGI.
@@arnvonsalzburg5033 I meant the style of the art, not how it was produced.
The art style of those movies were impactful and left an impression. Stop motion or CGI, there's always some details to be taken note of from successful movies and shows.
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Am I the only one who remembers Ronja the Robber's Daughter?
That was a 3d Ghibli show, and from what I remember, it slaps.
It does! I thoroughly enjoyed Ronja and its visuals
Curious fact. Animators from Ghibli Studio did Heidi series too.
If anyone has the Bluray of Ponyo, there is an interview with Hayao Miazaki along with all the people that worked on it. They break down each stage in the process and show how they made the film. Miazako talked about how they really wanted to make it feel different than what CGI could convey at the time. Ponyo was one of the films that leaned into it looking like how a child would look at the world with all of the rounded shapes and divergence from the intense detail of the movies before Ponyo. The background artist even used crayon to add soft details. There is something to be said about the personal touch that comes with imperfection. Not to say that CGI cannot convey it at all. There are many CGI artists on youtube that can convey that personal touch through their work. But this movie, like you said, feels like watching dolls as opposed to actual characters.
This film looks like a video game cut seen
A good example of Ghibli 3D from a video game is Ni No Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch
To me, it looks more like early 2000s CGI movies. The woman with the blue hair especially reminds me of Coraline
It looks like it belongs in the scary godmother universe
@@newdivide9882 Coraline isn't an early 2000's or a CGI movie
its called a Cutscene btw
Imagine if it was “Earwig and Matt Damon” though. Masterpiece.
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@@AxxLAfriku My opinion is that you should reassess your definitions of “star” and “loser self-promoter”.
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@@AxxLAfriku Check out his other comments, it's ducking hilarious
Your review is perfect, I agree 100%!
But I don't think Studio Ghibli wants to venture into the CGI world, I think it was just an experience, a cheaper and less expressive direct to TV movie. In fact, Studio Ghibli is practically closed, and at one point or another they release something, but the golden years of productivity are gone and I don't think they will return. Master Miyazaki is very old and retiring, trying to finish his last film , a pledge for his grandson, but we don't know if he will make it (I believe that this film will be finished after his death by other co-workers). Plus Isao Takahataa has left us. Anyway, they are the last gasps of the biggest Japanese animation studio. In addition, Earwig is the first Ghibli experience in the CGI world, they are learning to create in this technology, for the first film they did well, it would be unfair to compare the lack of details and expressiveness with Pixar that is already in their twentieth third film. Besides, I think this is more a Goro solo movie than Studio Ghibli film, the old guard wasn’t there to help. Anyway, Earwig and the Witch is just an unpretentious film that doesn’t stain or add to Ghibli filmography.
it would've been so beautiful as a stop motion claymation.
I really hope Goro finds his style and his own footing soon. He's only done a few movies so far, and I ADOR
ED Up on Poppy Hill. While you could look at that movie as another homage to his father's work, I could at least see the love and life that was poured into that world. It can not be easy being the son of Hayo Miazaki while working in the industry, especially with his standards. While Earwig has gotten some pretty bad reviews, I wish Goro nothing but a successful career moving forward.
"He's not an adult yet."
- His dad
Up on Poppy Hill to me feels more like an Isao Takahata movie than a Hayao Miyazaki movie and I think that style suits Goro Miyazaki better.
I think when he is old enough, he will understand his way and the right path to go
"Or this laughing face"
DAMN THAT'S TERRIFYING-
It looked like a Charlie brown style expression, that is what fascinated me. It looked like a distinct style, but one I recognized from a totally unrelated place.
@@PinkBunnyCorporation that's exactly what I thought of! I remember their way of laughing that tilted their heads almost 90 degrees and all you see is the nose and mouth.
YUH
Its terrifying in 2d too -
I think if they played around with lighting, it would help as well. Many of the shots often only have one light source and temperature. There's no play with ambient light, bouncing light, temperature change as light bounces from different coloured surfaces or finishes. If you look at games and other 3d movies, they exaggerate lighting to fit mood and atmosphere. It could help bring back some of the dreaminess we love from studio ghibli's 2d work.
We need to appreciate all that Miyazaki and his crew did for anime and art culture... All the nostalgia and emotions Studio Ghibli made. Miyazaki’s work of art will always be eternal... Give this man all the roses while he’s still here.
From the first images I saw, I told one of my friends I thought it looked like an episode of Code Lyoko. After watching the movie, I completely stood by the statement. The lighting felt off in a lot of scenes, the character animations (especially the mouth movements) were incredibly stiff, the English dub lip syncing was WAY off, and some of the textures legit looked like when a game or google maps hasn't finished loading in the textures for a scene yet so it just all looks blurry. The animation looked like it was done on a tv budget, not a movie budget. Which is a real shame because most of the particle effects looked great.
Oh and about the food, I made a joke to my brother while we were watching the movie that it looked like smash bros food. Like they legit just took a 2d picture of the food and put it into a 3d animated setting.
My friend and I agree though that this movie felt more like an experiment and I'm sure if they tried 3d animation again they could definitely capture the feel of Ghibli. I mean there's literally a 3d jrpg that already was designed/animated (2d cutscenes at least) by Ghibli and the entire game feels like a Ghibli film in 3d. Also I'm sorry but Goro isn't great at making movies
From Up On Poppy Hill was good in my opinion. But yeah I agree. Isao Takahata passed away, and Hayao Miyazaki is very old... It honestly worries me about the future of the studio. I honestly have more hope on Studio Ponoc to carry Ghibli's legacy than I have on Studio Ghibli itself.
Ever seen the recent Lupin III: The First? That was actually, an impressive transition. ✏️
That Lupin III movie is what 3D anime should look and feel like. There's so much personality, charisma, fun and beauty in every frame, it's absurd in the best way possible.
@@miserirken bruh it looks 10x better than this for some reason.
Would love to see him review the new Lupin movie. I thought the story was pretty meh but the animation was freaking awesome -- such a cool style.
I was hoping to hear him mention Lupin III in this video. It seems to absolutely nail the stylistic change from the manga/anime to CG. The Peanuts movie also comes to mind for retaining the original style in CG.
@@hchappy125 no conversation about this stuff can be complete without spider-man into the spiderverse
This reminds me of the switch Disney did from traditional to CGI. The last hand drawn movie they did was Winnie the Pooh back in 2011
Sure the CGI movies are still great but their hand drawn movies will always be superior, because that's what they're known for. Same thing for Ghibli. Traditional animation is their thing, not CGI
Nah, all the good Disney movies are CGI. There's a few good 2D ones like Princess and the frog but I always turn to movies like UP and Brave. Ghibli is different, though. Anime is THEIR style. Disney movies can have more than one style to them depending on what mood of the movie they are going for and who the audience is. Ghibli's "The cat returns" had a more goofy, lighthearted feel compared to the more serious movies like Whisper of the heart and Secret world of arriety, which are still family movies but have a more emotional and serious feel. Obviously they're not going to go for the cartoony-ish ness of The cat returns.
@@jocelynecupcake “a few good ones” there’s a reason why the late 80s to late 90s were called the Disney renaissance
@@mr.anderson2241 Eh, the only good one was Mulan in my opinion
@@jocelynecupcake In my opinion, most Disney 3DCG animation films not actually bad, but just meh. Disney doing better in 2D animation, especially in their renaissance time. Also, UP and Brave is considered Pixar's film, even it was part of Disney nowdays, they actually have different vision. However, it's up to you what you think is the best
@@thiekus Well, my favorites are all Pixar ones. Chicken Little, UP, Coco, Brave, Frozen, and Tangled.
With 3-D animation, you need to have a specific art style to fit with the style of a 3-D world, since that medium makes it easier to fall into an uncanny valley, as well as having the characters fit in the depth of the environment
Idk man, this sounds more like “why *this* CG animation doesn’t work for Ghibli” rather than “why CG animation doesn’t work for Ghibli.” This is pretty subpar animation by today’s standards so it doesn’t seem like the best example to go off of for the point you’re making. It’s like saying Star Wars shouldn’t be animated and then using “The Clone Wars” movie to prove your point instead of the later seasons of the show or “Twilight of the Apprentice” or something. Disney Animation’s first 3DCG outing looked pretty bad but now we have Frozen and Zootopia and Raya.
Personally I think that if Ghibli keeps experimenting they could eventually develop a 3D style that works for them. I’d much rather experience a few subpar Ghibli films if that means the studio is gonna take risks and try to do something new rather than watch them just do the exact same things they’ve always done. That said, I hope hand drawn animation never stops. I just wouldn’t mind seeing more visually diverse films from them, y’know?
Yeah they need to just keep playing with it. This really does seem like a valid first attempt but it took a lot of the soul out of the animation.
Yeah but what makes ghibli special is the motion. There’s this video on RUclips called ‘Hayao Miyazaki: Mind of a Master’ and it describes really well the idea of what he tries to achieve in his films and you can imagine why it would be really difficult to recreate it in 3D.
UPVOTE. I totally agree with every word you say
@@doormantdarner7815 I've already seen multiple 3d movies having better motion than some Miyazaki films so that shit is wrong
2D animation is always amazing anyway
says the one with a character from the very first 3D animated feature film in their pfp😂😂
@@coolbeans5911 You mean the first ever Pixar villain of all time?
Such as Johnny test
@@coolbeans5911 so he cant like both? lol
Me attempting to animate.😬
his father has had more then 30 years at this. animation especially the quality of life details his father mastered, take a ton of time to understand and wiseley recreate and use, and he is also using a media which borders the uncanny valley. his father chose to not indulge that new art form as heavily because it wasn't in his original style. that being said his son is just as capable but needs time to grow in to a role so big. especially because all of his fathers movies were and if not are all instant classics
I feel like if they wanted to look into making a 3D movie, they had previous resources considering they worked with Level-5 who made Ni no Kuni and made the Studio Ghibli-esque style work in a 3D environment
As a kid I remember rewatching Ponyo about a million times, it felt like I was watching someone's dream.
You know, this isn’t actually Ghibli’s first step into 3D animation, they designed and illustrated the entirety of Ni No Kuni: Wrath of The White Whitch with the help of level 5 studio, and that looked like a fantastic transition to 3D for them.
They designed and illustrated, animated the cutscenes, possibly even painted the textures, but they didn't model or animate anything in 3D.
A better example would be Ronja The Robber's Daughter, which I actually enjoyed
It kind of looks like if you were to hand a Ghibli remake over to Illumination or something. I'd much rather they uproot the style completely and go with something that works in 3d instead of forcing the old one
I keep hoping they’ll release a sequel in 2D where they actually delve into the good stuff that just started happening in the last 5 minutes of the movie.
Karsten: I’m not an Animation expert
Long Toast: am I a joke to you?
3d animation can be gorgeous and full of life, like in Spiderverse or httyd. Even a tv show like Trollhunters can have consistently beautiful environments and expressive character design. The problem with 3d Ghibli isn't the medium, it's how the medium is being used.
Spiderverse sucked
@@bluethumbbuttoneek9465 Elaborate.
"The problem with 3D Ghibli isn't the medium, it's how the medium is being used."
I like this quote. I mean it's Ghibli's first 3D film so who knows if they will get better on the second 3D movie.
@@bluethumbbuttoneek9465 WTF?????
@@maitherolfsenlisa5593 crazy people got there own opinions yeah I know crazy world man😏
My main problem with the animation of this movie was the lighting. Almost every freaking scene is lit by this flat and way too soft light that just doesn't tell any emotion. There is almost no contrast in anything which added with the quite boring cinematography and a lot of static camera angles just makes it all feel pointless. Nothing is really moving in this movie and everything is just lifeless, unlike the outstandingly lively animation we're used to from Ghibli.
I think a REALLY simple fix to most of the visual problems this film has, would be to keep the dark outlines and little detail lines that make hand drawn movies pop so much. There was a movie I saw that did this and it looked amazing! (I cant remember it rn) but I think if they did something like that it would help ALOT. Also more highlights.
This movie makes me feel like I saw an actual earwig.
As someone who’s studied animation for a while now, I think the biggest issue with this is that the studio didn’t utilize the medium (3D) at all. The choice of medium (3D) has to be intentional, and it has to be embraced. You can’t just apply the principles of 2D to 3D and expect it to look good, which is exactly what the studio did with Earwig. That’s why it looks so forced and awkward. I appreciate that they branched out in this way, and I think it could have been much better if they fully embraced the medium and experimented more with it. A good example of 2D to 3D actually working out is Lupin the III. Highly recommend.
I feel like the biggest problem is secondary motion and the lack of circular motion. It looks robotic because the movements lack a circular motion that people naturally have, you see that in soul with the movement of their heads, shoulders, and chests.
That's a really good point. There's so many aspect of Miyazaki's films that I wanted to experience firsthand. What would that taste like? What would that feel like? It's really impressive how they can bring this level of immersion from 2D animation.
I saw the thumbnail and instantly said out loud "What is this monstrosity"
at this point, i feel horrible for Goro. he wants to please his father, and he just cant be himself. and when he does leave his box, he is still pressured, hence mimicking ghibli in 3d. i wish i could say to him how badly he needs to be himself, or this cycle will never end
If Ghibli wanted to do 3d.. why not look at the work of the Ni No Kuni devs? I'd say they did a great job adapting Studio Ghibli's 2d animations to 3d so well, that it looks natural.
I saw the poster of this movie on netflix and thought it was just some short baby movie made by a small company. I was quite shocked to see that it was made by studio ghibli
I haven’t seen the film or video yet but from the screenshots of the new film it just looks cheap and nothing like what the studio has worked for to achieve!
3D Ghibli can work. Look at Ni No Kuni, Level-5 fooled me for years making me think it was Ghibli.
This. I thought I was the only one who new this game existed looking through the comments.
like, why does a 10 year old Ps3 game look so much better than this?
well, ni no kuni has the advantage of being scored by hisaishi, the same guy who scores every miyazaki movie
@@dippylovesmayo7228 Level 5 is master when it comes to cell shaded anime cg, the folks at Ghibli probably have no idea what to when making CGI lol
It is Ghibli! They worked with level 5 on the character designs and cutscenes.
All very good points here. The secret sauce seems to be that in this particular case the medium feels like a crutch. The positive examples I keep seeing here are of 3d studios which used each project to focus on one aspect of the medium to advance the craft. This is the same with the soul of classic ghibli, which is beyond the sheer effort their crew puts into every sequence; each sequence has a focus as if whichever animator who was in charge of each scene had made a pet project out of what otherwise would have been an unremarkably dull lull in the plot. It's time consuming work, so you want to keep yourself entertained with a challenge. There isn't the same flexing going on in these 3d scenes; rather, the animators and riggers seem to have their hands full trying to get a handle on the medium. I get the impression that they didn't have the freedom of mastery that lets someone gild the lilly.
It feels a lot like the early Pixar tests from before the first Toy Story, which is why that studio chose toys for the first cinematic project. Once they'd master something, they'd move on to a new challenge, lile the hair in Monster's Inc, or the water for Finding Nemo, there was always a central goal for advancing the medium, which would carry into whatever project would follow. Nemo's water made the sewer and soups of Ratatouille a cakewalk. Humans were rarely present early on, and were gradually introduced as highly stylized caricatures at first to avoid the uncanny valley; human animation was the ultimate goal.
They would plan the roster so that the more complicated projects came later since they would be able to build on all they had mastered previously. Ghibli has already mastered 2d but they bit off too much for a first forray into a new medium and dove headfirst into the uncanny valley; had they started small, it probably would have gone better.
If I had a singular counterpoint to this entire discussion, it is that culturally Japan is pretty young to 3d in so far as the technology exists in a production capacity in the US. We've been relying on 3d to reduce film budgets for decades and Pixar as a studio has been developing and finessing its techniques since the 90's. And Japan by in large has stuck to the things that 3d has largely replaced here, for example practical effects and hand drawn animation. And I think this is more important than most people realize. If you watch the first Toy Story and (i've lost track) the most recent one, the difference would be night and day. You can actually see a similar development with the blender open film projects. As the technology improved and the talent got acclimated to it they became better and better at executing on what we might expect a 3d animated film to "look like". And to that, I often malign what people expect a film to "look like" because it makes it harder and harder for new studios on the block to try their hand at it. To that end, Ghibli isn't new, but without a doubt, their 3d team is in many capacities. Finding something that hits the same notes as the effect that the Ghibli nostalgia nexus in a completely different medium is going to be difficult, but to keep pace with the times the change is in order. I'm not saying there isn't room for critique, there obviously is in this example, but to imply that it cannot be done strikes me as wrong-headed. Because we will only believe that until it does work because artists are creative types and are notorious for vaulting these sort of issues. And personally speaking, I hope they figure it out, and to do that they'll have to try something new.
The animation in this is much closer to Monster House than something from Pixar/WDAS/Illumination. Hell, this animation seems like it's on par with those Barbie movies!
Ghibli dominates the 2D space. I really hope they don't lose sight of their niche.
I feel like 3D animation is a weakness in Japan overall. It just isn't very good. I can only think of two goodlooking 3D anime - Land of the Lustrous and Beastars. Otherwise for some reason, no other anime looks good in 3D. At least not as good as it look hand drawn.
i didn't know Beastars was 3D🤔
that explains a lot tbh...it looks so good😪❤
Berserk also has some pretty good 3D animation. It also mixes 2D animation as well.
Lupin 3: The First is the best-looking 3D anime by far. Watch the trailer, it seriously looks amazing
@@joereno955 yeah i have been meaning to watch that
I like Polygon Studio’s 3D animation (Sidonia, Ajin, Blame! etc.) even though most people seem to hate them... :( Dorohedoro from Mappa also looks pretty good
What’s funny is that Studio Ghibli worked on Ni No Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch and the games 3-D models look way more palette-able than the current CGI we got. I wish we would have gotten the game model CGI to replicate with a few upgrades and clean ups to make it more movie-like and BOOM! It would look much better.
Everything that happened in this movie felt like it could’ve happened in 30 minutes. There wa no real progression and something about the plot was so boring whereas so much could happen in the span of 10 minutes in most other Gibli films. That’s part of why the studios films are so good: each film feels so alive, busy, and messy, whereas Earwig felt mundane for a world which literally has magic in it. the main character staying in a dark empty house for the majority of the film can’t help much either
Karsten: "I wouldn't say Ghibli doesn't work in 3D"
Also Karsten: "Why 3D Ghibli Doesn't Work"
Lupin III the First does a 2d to 3d anime design perfectly. It looks great, the animations great, the detail is perfect, and it has a good story. There were a couple things i wouldve personally taken out of the film as they dont add anything, but dont really take away from it either. If you havent seen it, i highly recommend it.
If you watch Ratatouille the movie from Pixar once your an adult,it feels a lot like Ghibli
no it doesn’t
I disagree but I’d like to understand why you think so?
@@usmanc479 because food looks beautiful? I dunno . I don't personally see the connection
i agree
I think Wall-E and UP feel more like Ghibli films than Ratatouille because of the settings.
I’m really excited for Luca because the Italian backdrop reminds me of the village in Kiki’s Delivery Service.
The way the characters are designed and the way they move in this movie remind me a lot of Scary Godmother for some reason
the thumbnail scared me ngl
I honesty really bad for the director Goro Miyazaki , who's dad is HAYAO MIYAZAKI. Imagine the pressure on him all the time.
When I’m watching this, everything looks like it’s a regular animated Ghibli film, but then changed it to be 3D afterwards, like they turned on a 3D filter.
Worm robotically entering the mystical wall hole over and over with all the camera fades definitely gives me some "Were In A Tool Music Video" vibes
I remember actually being excited for this movie, because I thought their 3D animation wouldve been so much fun and a different route to take, but it just wasnt it. The plot to the movie wasnt even fully there and youre left wanting more at the end since it seemed to be marketed as a cool rock band movie instead of 90 minutes of being an evil witches apprentice. The movie was not made with love like the other Studio Ghibli films were.
The issue isn't that it's 3D. Simply lack of experience making 3D. I reckon more movies like these will wow just as much as the classic 2D movies
I knew when I saw the trailers for this, it was gonna hurt to watch.
I remember Brad Bird (director of Incredibles and Ratatouille for the maybe 2 of you who don't know) saying that "Animation is about bringing something down to its essence." I think this explains why ghibli food and clothing generally looks amazing. It's simple. There's not too much detail. The colors picked are just the right colors, and everything looks clean. The dishes compliment each other visually, just like a master chef would treat their dish. Some art styles just don't translate mediums too well. I think that in this case they tried to overcomplicate the simple nature of Ghibli films in the first place. 3d, by nature, has more shades of colors to work with, however the style didn't change enough to adapt to that change. Sometimes the middle ground isn't the way to go. They're trying to make a 3d movie but truly not embracing the details that 3d allows for, probably being held back by trying to integrate the old 2d Ghibli style, but not totally embracing that either. Soul works because they took complete advantage of all the benefits that 3d allows for and worked from the ground up. The failure of this film probably stems from the lack of experience this studio had in this medium. This doesn't mean they're bad animators, on the contrary. I'm glad that they stepped out of their comfort zone, even if it wasn't that much out of it. I think the animation team learned a lot from this project, and I'm interested to see what comes out in the future of Ghibli!
They don't require 3d they have stunning genius masterclass filmography
I think Lupin III: The First movie seems to have done the 3D anime right
I knew i had enough animation for the day when i saw the laughing animation.
I respect what they have done on the film and I haven’t seen it yet. That was a ton of hard work and that’s amazing but you’re right as far as I can see haha Tbh the 3D in this kinda makes me feel a little scared?
i actually think that 3D and ghibli could mix, had it been done correctly. Maybe a mix of 2D and 3D? This movie just seemed like a trial attempt akin to monster house(2006) level of animation, which was so disappointing.
like cg + 2d, kindof like the anime “d4dj” it looks 2d but it is 3d and very well done!
The difference was that Monster House actually had a great story, and Earwig... not so much.
@@nem6588 can't argue with that
And Monster House was motion captured, only animation the eyes and little details, and the House, if was stopmotion Monster House can be a laika's movie
looks like one of those disney junior 3d shows
All the footage of the movie I saw on this video made me feel like if Windows 7 Wallpapers were a movie