Hayao Miyazaki & The Forgotten Son: Goro Miyazaki | Documentary | Forgotten Ghibli
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- Опубликовано: 18 май 2024
- Hi, I'm Tim and welcome back to a very special episode of Forgotten Ghibli. In this chapter, we dive into not a specific film, but rather the forlorn story of a forgotten Miyazaki.
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This is the tale of a complex and contentious father-son relationship - an examination of two separate, yet inseparable lives ensnared by the unforgiving demands of artistry.
Hayao Miyazaki is renowned for his prowess and accomplishments throughout the history of the animated film industry. Almost everyone is familiar with his most famous and prolific of masterpieces, but one of his most overlooked creations is his first born son, Goro Miyazaki.
For his entire life, Goro only knew his father through his animation, as Hayao was often absent due to preoccupations with his work. This inevitably led to Goro's fervent desire to better understand his father, and ultimately, to follow in his footsteps - the world of directing animation.
Goro has directed 3 films, as well as Ghibli's only animated series. While they have received mixed critical acclaim, this essay focuses on the complicated and strenuous relationship between him and his father.
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00:00 Intro
01:08 I. Zero Marks as a Father, Full Marks as a Director
07:20 II. Frames of the Father, Frames of the Son
12:39 III. The Tohoku Crisis
16:13 IV. The Demands of Greatness
20:00 Final Thoughts
More information can be found in the following:
Studio Ghibli
ghiblicollection.com/
My Neighbor Totoro (1988)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Neig...
Princess Mononoke (1997)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princes...
Spirited Away (2001)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirite...
The Castle of Cagliostro (1979)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cas...
Goro's work:
Tales From Earthsea (2006)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tales_f...)
From Up on Poppy Hill (2011)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_Up...
Ronja, The Robber's Daughter (2014)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronja,_...)
Earwig and the Witch (2020)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earwig_...
Ghibli Documentaries:
Poppy Hill - 300 Days of War Between Father and Son (2011)
ghibli.fandom.com/wiki/Poppy_...
The Kingdom of Dreams and Madness (2013)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kin...
10 Years with Hayao Miyazaki (2020)
www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/on...
Never-Ending Man: Hayao Miyazaki (2016)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Never-E... 
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Hello all! Hope you enjoyed the video, a very complex and interesting dive into the lesser known familial side of a renowned master.
If you enjoyed this video and wanted to hear more of my thoughts about Hayao and Goro, or just wanted to get a peek behind the scenes - be sure to check out my companion retrospective video!
ruclips.net/video/Mn8rDC0w0pI/видео.html
Beautifully edited and narrated. Thank you Tim for sharing your work. 🙇🏽
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@@djr3386 Thank you, and welcome aboard! 🙂
Does anyone else wanna give this guy a hug? Like I love ghibli but for the love of God someone give Goro a hug
Seeing how that "Earwig and the Witch" movie came out, I'd say papa Miyazaki was right to ask him to change careers
@@Big_Daiayos first movie literally flopped. You are not an artist if you don’t fail along the way. People with passion just don’t throw everything when facing difficulty, that is literally the lesson taught in ALL of Studio Ghiblie’s movies!!! You have to rewatch them it seems…
@@Big_Dai make a better movie
he really needs that hug
Count me in I can relate to him
You know what's sad? That his son detested his father for being MIA in his life but still follows his father around in his shadow. probably the closest thing he can get to a son-father relationship bec he knows his father is invested more in work and not for family
A lot of that going around in Japan.
The pain Goro must have felt... I get it, Hayao was obsessed with his work being perfection, but to let the life you brought into this world suffer just due to your own pride.. I can't look at Hayao the same way.
If I ever have a child one day, I will make sure to keep this video in the back of my mind.
Indeed it's a very difficult situation and it feels like Hayao put his work in front of his family. If we can take something positive away from it all, perhaps it's how we may best prevent ourselves from falling into the same pitfalls
Hayao himself was not a stranger to failure either, his initial works also flopped, but what kept his head high was to find his resolve again to learn from it to get a better insight as to how to do it better in the next. I can only hope Goro can do the same, if not better so he can finally stand out from his father's shadow
Yeah, his earliest films like Lupin were still great.
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I read "hayao should be nicer." or "he shouldn't be so harsh." in the comments. Sadly I believe, they started a pattern to be together in a certain way, early on. As we see in this documentary, hayao rushes into work after a disaster happened. He deals with trauma in this way. His relationship with his son is sadly another disaster. He deals with.. In the same way. As we saw in ponjo. He chose to make a film for goro instead of sitting with him and saying: "I love you. I will support each film you make. I don't have to like them.". Sadly, this is just not.. What he chose. I guess, I just wish.. I would have had a lovely parent to guide me. I gotta be my own and I am proud to be my own loving mom and dad. We got this!
I am glad, goro did his own movie, in his own way by now.
I personally had to disconnect from family to heal.. I wish us all a healing journey through life.
Yes, I completely agree with you. Hayao is acting simply in the only ways he knows how. For whatever reasons, he has cemented his own ways of doing things and dealing with trauma. Unfortunately his established methodology is not one that resonated with many people and in fact causes unintentional harm to those close to him.
It really is a very complicated and nuanced situation, and I'm sure Hayao himself wishes he could have done a better job at raising his own son.
I too wish us all the healing journey you speak of. Thanks for your thoughts!
@@TimThoughts thank you for engaging with both of my comments on your video. I really appreciate your love and attention that you give through your words and answers. My needs for connection, healing and love are fullfilled.
I see right here, how RUclips Videos and engagement actually brings healing, connection & love in this world. Thanks for doing that Tim! Thanks for your loving ways in this universe.
🙏 May we love our wounds, so we can heal. 🙏
@@TimThoughts My husband is half Japanese with his mom being from Tokyo & dad from the US. I have known my hubby for 43 yrs, married almost 33yrs. I can attest that most Japanese parents of a certain generation do not always show or express love to their children verbally or with hugs & kisses. When we would drive 800 miles to visit his parents & get ready to leave we would tell his parents by & we love you. His dad would say" Love you guys" and his mom would say "Bye". He'd repeat I love you mom. She would say" that's nice, ok bye." He'd say ," I love you mom", and she would say I hear you ok bye. His dad would just look at us and say "I'm sorry you guys." It killed my husband. His mom never told him she loved himband she died 23 yrs ago. She did loving things for him or spent $$$ on gifts but even your adult child needs to hear I love you. My mother in law lived in Japan during the bombing raids and both Nuclear bombs that were launched on Japan. Her own family did not speak to her for 14 years for marrying an American. My mother in law was very hard on my husband growing up & was only affectionate with our kids. She would give a hug goodbye and even that was a lot for her. I feel bad for Hayao's son. I love Miyazaki's movies immensely but feel for his son. I saw an interview with Hayao & he admitted that his relationship with his son was not great and Hayao actually verbalized that he is emotionally immature & it affected their relationship. I was shocked because that was a big thing for a Japanese dad to admit. I hope they can heal and find closure in their relationship before Hayao passes away. It's such a missed opportunity without having a loving relationship with his child who deserved to be loved. 😞
@@debbiefox6846 Thank you for your personal and illuminating story. I hope that others may read and understand the struggles of your husband and resultingly, better understand the cultural difficulties separating Hayao and Goro. One thing I would like to say, is I think it is noteworthy and commendable how your husband has come to express love for his own family. It is a wonderful thing that he has grown past some hurtful cultural norms.
I agree that it is unfortunate, and at times, heartbreaking - the way that traditional Japanese mentality can shun loving care and affection for one's own children and family. I too hope that the Miyazaki's may find their way to a more harmonious relationship. Thank you for sharing!
@@TimThoughts Miyazaki gave all his time for these films, Goro has never created anything, I can totally see the problem Miyazaki has with him being a director, its ridiculous, Goro has talent though yes because he's Miyazaki's son, but still he should start as an inbetweener, and learn how to actually animate.
Poppy hill is actually one of my fav Ghibli movies and idk why? It just puts me in a happy mood and I love the Latin quarter concept and just that 60s Japan feel. It’s truly a fine film
Same! I
I love the jazz soundtrack. Very unique compared to the other Studio Ghibli movies I’ve seen.
Mine too!
@@cakeandicecream1582 definitely! That soundtrack is phenomenal. The sunrise song too has that jaunty jazzy early 60s feel! Makes me wanna watch it again
I loved it too and I remember it more fondly than some other Ghibli movies. Don't care what anyone else says, it's a beautiful story.
It always feels like Hayao Miyazaki was desperate to convey a peace and contentment to the world that he was never able to attain.
I think you're touching on something profound to the act of creating art in itself here 👍
I always felt that Miyazaki’s films, particularly some of the protagonists, are expressions of Miyazaki’s ideal self that he couldn’t attain to be in real life, but nonetheless yearned to be as well.
I agree.
It feels to me like Miyazaki is deeply torn by not only his personal trauma but by what the world is (in the most negative aspects) and what it could be (in the most positive ones).
I see his movies as a way to portray all of the magic, beauty and goodness he can’t quite reach in real life.
what strikes me the most is that goro still has the eyes of a hurt, lost child... it's sad that one way or the other, he will be compared to his father. even if he never joined studio ghibli, people would ask why didn't he follow his father's steps? why walk away from such legacy? how ungrateful and selfish he must be to turn his back on his father who worked so hard for him... unless he outgrows his father and creates a masterpiece that would trump his father's film, he'll always be "hayao miyazaki's son" instead of his own person.
mine and my father's relationship is very similar in the way of us having very little in common and his tyrannous personality. they seem to share the same sentiment of "i want you to be your own person and do what you want but i want you to be your own person the way i imagined it and act the way i'd have acted". until hayao decides it's time to really let go of his expectations, there's nothing goro can do except maybe letting go of the father-son relationship he craves. in my experiece though, letting go felt a lot like losing and it was another process of trying to get over the resentment. if i stopped trying, my father would sure as hell do nothing to reach out to me. so it's really a choice between burning yourself out chasing the unatteinable or admitting defeat.
I genuinely appreciate the nuance of your insights. Goro was essentially forced into a difficult and polarizing life simply by virtue of his father being such a powerhouse in modern animation. Being in such a high profile family, combined with the lack of support from a young age - there's no question the difficulties and challenges he would face (not to mention the media scrutiny).
It was destined to be a life fraught with its own challenges and frustrations. It's one thing to have difficulty connecting with your father, and it's an entirely other thing for him to be one of the godfathers of an entire medium.
I did learn recently that Goro is credited as executive producer on his father's last work - so hopefully that is a sign of growth in their relationship since the end of this story.
Thanks again for your comment, wish you the best.
it must be difficult. Seeing a parent create such undeniable beauty. And never personally feeling any of that sentiment from said parent. You find yourself trying to learn about your parent through their work and other's praises. But at the end of the day, you sit back and wonder where all that glory was held. Such deep emotions embody each of Hayao's works. How must it feel knowing he is capable of that, but not for you? At least, not capable of expressing in such a way in which the loving relationship is undeniable. Parental roles are so complicated. But as a society we know how to blanket love our children properly. But we fit ourselves into these "role boxes" so well, the seams are flawless. Gotta break out of it.
Well said. Such depth of work demands great sacrifice, but what if those left in its wake? A truly nuanced and complicated situation.
Well Said 🙂
Nobody talks about how in Chapter 5 just after when Hayao said about Goro quitting, a few days later the painting on the desk and the new character design made by Hayao set everything in motion. If he didn't wanted Goro to succeed, then why did he do that ?? I think was his way to make Goro realise what he had to do
Great point, I very much so agree with you. I personally do think he did want Goro to succeed - partially for Goro's sake, partially for Ghibli's, and partially for his own. His problem, however, was his real inability to be honest with not only Goro, but himself and the surrounding staff. This presented a whole slew of mixed messaged and communication difficulties that caused a lot of drama for everyone involved.
Again though, this is a very complex situation and I'm not trying to specifically say Hayao was bad or in the wrong for everything - I do think his heart was in the right place, he just had an inability to express himself in a way that would have been more beneficial for everyone involved.
@@TimThoughts He may have been quite conflicted - on one hand, wanting his son to succeed, but on the other, concerned about being eclipsed by him.
A child is a continuation of your own life, there should never be any fear of them eclipsing you. You should hope that you did enough so that they could.
@@lilycd4505 That's a very profound thought, and one that has direct relevance to me at this moment in my life. I'm retired, 78 years, and living with my daughter and her husband and children - my grand children (a boy and a girl), and although I enjoy both of them, my grandson clearly wants to follow the same path in life that I also chose - electronics and computer engineering, so I can offer a great deal to him. I have spent a lot of time with both of them - but mostly with him - but I could do more. You've got me thinking. As you suggested, he's much brighter than I was, so I'm sure he wiill easily eclipse me. Thank you.
This is exactly what many here are missing.
I just realised, that he called goros films: "too emotional" and I always thought ghibli films are emotional as hell... But now as I think of it.. They are not. They have small room for crying scenes and emotions built into them.
Mostly he captures the simplicity of life and those small moments, people don't put into films - how chihiros puts on her shoes - how ponyo smells the fuzzy blanket - how Kiki lies in the grass - how totoro and the girls wait @ the bus stop -
This is why they are so soothing for my own anxiety, there is an emotional distance and at the same times, leaves the feelings inside those simply moments of life.
Hm.. I never saw it this way.
Maybe I'll see it differently tomorrow.
Thank you for this video. This insight. This creation of yours!
Love, Mabel
This is a beautiful thought and thank you for sharing it. It's something I had also not considered much before and am glad to learn from you as well.
Wishing you all the best! 🙂
I think by "too emotional" Hayao meant his son put too much of his own emotions into the film, not true enough to the original story.
Many of us have had traumatic events in our lives that can cause emotions to come tumbling out of us when triggered by something as small as a comment or a film scene that would affect very few other people. To me, Poppy Hill is among my 5 or 6 favourite films of all time - and as an old man I have seen many films. I loved this one for its its beautiful drawings - especially the detailed background drawings, for its entirely believable story, and for the poigancy of its teenage love affair, which was shown through the characterisations and the story line, accutely perceived by the audience, although never uttered by the characters. They were clearly in love - as I, too, was once in love, and it tugged at my heart strings, and brought tears to my eyes.
How is My Neighbor Totoro not emotional? There is literally a scene of a four year old ugly crying after her sister told her to grow up. There are so many instances, too many to count, where the emotions hit an all-time high. I deeply disagree with your comment, and idk what Miyazaki was on to have himself say that.
@@justanothermortal1373 nice that I get to see another view through you. Thank you. I love you.
Everybody knows Miyazaki is a brilliant director, but very old fashioned when it comes to new animation techniques. Goro should let go of constantly seeking approval of his father and just do his own thing. He is the one who can take Ghibli into new animation territory, even if it means that some pictures will fail while perfecting the technique.
Good point. I think this is what Goro attempted to achieve with Earwig and the Witch which was... interesting. But that's definitely what it takes sometimes - that willingness to take a risk and try something new!
@@TimThoughts I didn't read the original story by Diane Wynne Jones, but from what I've read online they stayed pretty close to it, warts and all.
@@pastichiorocker Very interesting, good to know. Appreciate the insight!
@@pastichiorocker Maybe Goro should publish his own manga with an original story and then think about becoming an animator before he jumps up to director, this was and is crazy, I feel bad for Miyazaki.
after Ghibli sold a lot of shares and gave a reason that they couldn't find an heir to Hayao I guess that's the end of Goro in animation
I don't care what anyone says. Goro gave me two of the most powerful films I've needed in my life. That itself has earned my eternal respect and gratitude.
I just watched From Up on Poppy Hill again tonight, it's such a moving tale that I relate so much to my own grandparents.
same❤ it’s one of my favorites
What is the second Goro film that you needed in your life?
Apparently, Hayao Miyazaki has two kids. One of his kids doesn't (seem to) have any connection with Studio Ghibli. Goro, on the other hand, does, and despite making some animations with some not-so-good reviews, he is heavily involved in some aspects of Studio Ghibli, such as the Studio Ghibli theme park that was recently opened. However, he doesn't seem to have given a reason, but Hayao Miyazaki has made it clear that he doesn't want his son Goro to be the successor to Studio Ghibli after he dies.
Appreciate the added context for viewers! His other son is named Keisuke Miyazaki and he is a Japanese printmaker. While he isn't involved in Ghibli at any capacity similar to Goro, his work is featured in "Whisper of the Heart"; he created the image of the violin maker. He also has some designs he's made for sale as prints at the Ghibli museum in Tokyo! I actually bought a couple while I was there, he's a skilled artist as well!
From Up the Poppy Hills is best film by Goro
When he said the movie was "too emotional", he was practically witnessing his son making light of Hayao's failings as an absentee father *live on the big screen*, then a little later he says it felt like it was "3 hours long". If anyone is in a class for example, if it bored the students or they outright hated it (for whatever reason), of course it would feel longer! He was practically reliving his failures to his son! I really, really sympathize with how much much pain he felt because when family is involved, things get emotional and volatile as heck!
But I am fucking glad that their relationship is better than it was before and that they are connecting to each other again with the time they have left together
Great point, it must have been extremely difficult to see all of your perceived shortcomings as a father projected on the big screen right in front of you, especially in such a public setting. And I very much agree with you, I'm glad they found a middle ground - it may not be perfect but it's a resolution they needed.
Thanks for your insights, your comments are greatly appreciated!
@@TimThoughts didn't expect a reply, hi! Also thank you very much
Thank you for this beautiful nuanced look at Goro’s directing career and relationship with Hayao ❤ I really appreciate the care you put into this video!
Sometimes i feel that Hayao movies are kinda without an specific focus or an specific theme. It's like they are developing themselves as we watch them, but Goro films feel like a strong objective towards something and they all end with a strong emotional response, that's why i love Goro's movies more than Hayao's, because in the end, it's the movies made by Goro that give me a strong memory in my heart
Very interesting perspective, I can totally see where you're coming from. Appreciate the insights, cheers!
Hayao Miyazaki : Honey i want a son ( Anno Hideaki )
Wife : but we have a son at home
Although I think Hayao can be pretty strict with his son, I do think that he has a point that being a director out of the gate wasn't the right way to break into the industry. Goro probably should've tried working entry level and work his way up in the studio, though honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Hayao thinks even that's too much for him.
The problem is that the studio just literally gave him the offer because he’s storyboards were that good
@@julianezekielyaranon9037to me I feel like IF your truly wanted direct a film while being a storyboard artist, then its best if to talk to the writers, animators, heck even the director to understand the basics of film making
Imagine an anime film based on this being made in the distant future.
I could see it!
I think this kind of almost greek drama son vs dad has lots of story potential
@@TimThoughts directed by Goro in full poetic fashion
The Boy and the Heron.
Hayao Miyazaki: "I want another me."
How many times must this lesson be taught?! He really should listen to T-Pain's "DO SOMETHING ELSE!" rant.
Their relationship might make for a good Ghibli movie
Hayao is clearly is a lonley wolf type. Just like Albert Einstein and Isaac Newton, he also put everything into his passion and interest. People like this type shouldn't have a family of their own because they don't know what to do with it. Even if they wish there would be double of them, they can't give up the things what they like the most.
If someone start a family or get married, they have to give up their big part of their own time, in order to take care of their wifes and children. People like his type simply can't do that. Due to this, both his wife and his son, but expecially his son, got a mental damage what the fame of the father just made it worse.
I hope you are right and the animation clearly able to serve as a bridge between them.
I think you touch upon some important points here. There is only so much a human being is capable of. To get to such a level professionally requires a great deal of sacrifice in other aspects of one's life. Appreciate your insights!
I feel like he’s an addict. Sure it’s to art and production but in his pursuit for the next high he leaves so much damage to those around him. If he treats his own son like this imagine how he treats his employees.
Whenever i see Hideaki Anno my heart jumps a little, i love him more than i love my dad.
no matter how strained or absent he was.... as someone who doesn't even know what his father looks like, i would take it anyday!
I really liked the tales of Earthsea actually,well done Goro you did a great job.
Your videos always have an inspiring amount of effort put into them Tim! They’re very interesting, wonderful use of music too! You will be big on RUclips one day
Thanks Alex! Means a lot to me to know that the effort is appreciated 🙂
I really feel for Goro, I know first hand what it is like to have a father absent from your life because of their work.
My dad didn't do it for some passion but rather to give us a good life, but a lot of the time I find myself wishing he didn't work so hard and that he would have spent time with me instead, to do father and son activities.
I feel unable to bond with my dad properly anymore, because his work doesn't interest me, it is not what I am passionate about, yet I can be as much of an obsessed workaholic at times, but I feel like I actively pull myself back from that mindset a lot of the time to my detriment because I loose the drive to do a lot of the stuff I was doing leaving stuff half finished and never really feeling happy with anything I do.
I feel uncomfortable and scared jumping fully into anything because I don't want to end up like my dad, I don't want to work all my life to climb higher, I don't want to be a dad who turns away their child when they want to play only to find myself in my 40's and finding my child as an adult who feels like I am a stranger to them.
Goro is both lucky and unlucky compared to me, my dad was home more than his father but he wasn't really here, I didn't have some visible means to see his work like a movie to bond to his work, I simply felt lonely and like I can't connect to him I am already 24 and find myself scared of working not because I can't perform well but rather because I am scared of turning into my dad.
I at times feel angry at him because he neglected me and made me feel like I didn't matter, but at the same time I am thankful he has given me so much, but I wish he would have been there for me more when I needed him by my side the most in my life, I grew up knowing my dad couldn't spare the time for me because even a child will take the hint when you are told they are busy for the 100th time, the worst part is that even when he was home he was still working or studying, meaning I was a secondary priority over his work.
There are few things I know about my own dad, because he has never talked to me about his life, he has never shared his passions with me, he never taught me anything, all the things I picked up to try to bond with him always end up with me doing everything on my own like always, with music he would just give me a book to teach myself, with programming he would give me a book to teach myself, with scale models he would just give me the tools and the model and expect me to teach myself, with videogames I would just play by myself.
No matter what I do it feels like there is never time for me and I just gave up after I tried so many times to bond with him, to be closer to him and to try to salvage the time we have left, it is like there is a big gaping wound in your heart, because if he had just been some deadbeat who abandoned me I wouldn't think of him but he works hard to provide for us which just makes me angry because I don't want material things but rather his time and affection but he never did give me those things.
Goro and Hayao at least have animation as something to link them together and help them bond but I feel like I have nothing.
I'm sorry to hear of your troubles with your father. It truly sounds like a difficult and complex situation and I hope that you can find your peace with it.
The one thing I would like to share is that you do have a say in how you shape and create your life. Your life matters and you matter, your feelings are valid and are worth exploring. Your strained relationship with your father can be a great motivator to be the kind of person (and perhaps father) you had always wished your own father was.
I know none of these things are simple or easy to grasp, and even more difficult to commit to changing - but I truly do believe you can do it. Just the very fact you've written this and explored those feelings and emotions puts you on a your own unique, growth-oriented path that can and will take you to new heights.
I wish you the best!
I empathize with your situation. I've a distant relationship with my dad right now in my mid 20s, yet I found as a kid, I practically got along with him more than any of my other family members. I wanted to be like him but I didn't understand him, and he didn't, and doesn't understand me in his 60s.
He worked 7 days a week with sundays only being a half day, but he was still very much not..."there" much. He'd get home, monitor his investments, make dinner if mom wasn't working, and then mostly just watch tv before sleep, rinse and repeat. Sometimes he'd drive me or my sister around to extracurricular stuff but not often. It was always about making money to support the family. But not being a family man. He always had anger issues and Im still afraid of that to an extent as he'd take it out on all of us; sometimes I wonder how he and my mom ever got married since they don't have much in common. He's got a lot of conservative views which obviously put me and him at odds, as I went to university for mental health education but he went to a tech school to work in the oil industry.
I really do think I have an inkling of the feelings you have with regards to your dad, how yeah, sure, he paid for my education, he made sure we always were in the green financially, but I find as I type this out in bed at 2:20 in the morning, I find that I wish we could've just had a happy relationship back then that was more than skin deep, especially since now we aren't on good terms. Im thankful for the fact he thought about my future but I resent how he hates that I didn't follow in his footsteps or act like him as an adult. Shit his first name is my middle name and I honestly despise that these days because of how much we argue, as if I should feel honored about that. I think about how I know a lot about him, but I don't like what he likes. He knows a little about me, but I'm apprehensive of telling him what I like because he always judges me for what I enjoy. Our household is as isolated from each other as ever. My sister moved out so now my dad focuses his attention on the one kid who never lived up to the standards set by the favored one. And I wish I wasn't here.
Trying to cultivate a better relationship just feels impossible because we have next to nothing in common and he's a brick wall with regards to admitting he does shitty things to other people when he gets upset.
I don't think it's wrong for me to wish my dad had just...cared less about making hundreds of thousands of dollars by spending so much time doing overtime and staring at stock prices...and cared more about...being a good dad. But i suppose his idea of being a good dad is very boomer minded: don't show emotional vulnerability, let kids figure it out on their own, and the only thing that matters is money, not happiness or fulfillment.
Bro is real life Shinji
😂
Anno probably took notes in a corner
I love most of Goro's work. From Up on Poppy Hill is simply brilliant. I thoroughly loved Tales from Earthsea as well. Yeah sure... it took a very loose inspiration from the source material rather than a proper adaptation, but the same can be said about Howl's Moving Castle. The only problem was that the audience was thrust into a world with too little context to appreciate its intricacies. It felt like the second movie of a trilogy.
Miyazaki doesn’t want his son to be a successful director. Yes, partly because he is jealous and doesn’t want him to get credit because of him. He is flawed as a human being like all of us.
I remember when my sister and I watched Tales of Earthsea, I told her that Hayao Miyazaki, the god that he is, is actually a brutal father.
She replied with "Oh, that's why the King father was killed on the film", and we thought it was somewhat a subliminal message. Oh well.
So sorry, Goro. Let's stay strong. It doesn't matter if our works are emotional, it's our way of expression anyway.
A god is the last thing i see hayao, as yeah he makes good movies, but that doesn't make him special any compentent film maker can make a good movie.
If Goro wants to be great in animation, he has a lot to learn. He may not have his father's experience but I have faith that he can be better and make his own beautiful movies. Failing is a part of the creative process. Success is built on a mountain of failures
This was a beautiful analysis and video you made tim, your words at the end combined with the melancholy of their relationship made me shed a tear. Im proud of you, and both of them.
Thank you for your kind words, it means a great deal to me. Wishing you well! 😄
tim this video goes so hard please keep making them , you deserve way more views and subscribers
Thank you, really appreciate the sentiment! 🥲
Beautiful video,it made me cry multiple times. 😭Miyazaki is my hero, but so flawed ❤️🩹
Thanks for the amazing video, I hope you do more in the future!
Thank you as well! And yep, absolutely more coming up so stay tuned! ✌️
Ahhh
Such a beautiful documentary, not afraid of showing vulnerability Mr hao, really appreciate for this raw and authentic piece of art... May God bless you both father- son relationship will be restored soon🙏🙏 amen
Thank you! Glad you appreciated it :)
Oh my God the craftmanship and storytelling of this documentary is world-class. Hat off to you Tim
Thank you, your kindness is greatly appreciated! Hope you have a great weekend! 😀
This is an amazing video, well done! Thank you for sharing this story, I've always felt bad for Goro.
Thanks, appreciate it! I also have sympathy for Goro, but at least it seems like he's found his own path now
Hayao isn't the only one being the problem to Gorō, a bunch of shit heads attack him unnecessarily
Absolutely true, people are unnecessarily harsh towards him - very much so because of who his father is.
I did talk about this a bit more in my companion retrospective, but I think it's also a great point to bring up here.
Hopefully this video can help change the narrative around Goro to be a bit more positive in the future!
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I am a massive fan of Hayao's work, admire his dedication and incredible talent for film making - however I think his ego got in the way of his relationship with his son. "I want another me", I think if he'd taken the time to nurture Goro technically as an artist and allowed him room to find his own voice I don't think Earthsea would have been burdened with the projection Goro's own emotions, I think what parents often forget that their children despite being adults do still need some support, especially if they're following them into a difficult industry.
I think Hayao may have been bothered by the nepotism of Goro being given that job by Suzuki, which is valid but unfair to put the blame at Goro's door. It was short sighted of Suzuki to offer the role to Goro, being a smart guy he probably knew how much tension it would cause in the family, I think he was probably just looking at it from a business perspective hoping to bottle some more Miyazaki talent. Anyway I think despite that Hayao should have been much more supportive of Goro from the get go, I mean he was an absent father already, why only make that wound worse? ... The answer is nothing much more than just a massive oscar sized ego... He's been told most of his life how great he is and is adored by millions so who can blame him!
Wonderful video thank you
I think this is an apt description of the situation. It seems like a scenario where Goro wasn't quite ready for the spotlight, but Suzuki pushed him anyway and Hayao didn't act as the support he needed. Definitely an interesting dynamic that formed over the years.
Appreciate the insight, cheers!
It's interesting, because on the opposite end of the scale you have someone like George Lucas stopped making movies and sold Lucasfilm so he could be a good father. But he doesn't have as many acclaimed films and his legacy was later ruined by other people.
@@lpstweetytv5242 yeah George was able to let go of it and probably is happier for it really despite it being painful letting go of Star Wars at first, Hayao can’t because in his mind if he doesn’t create he doesn’t deserve to exist, even his son Goro apparently said he would die if he didn’t carry on making films, which on the one hand could be seen as selfless dedication to art but romanticism aside Hayao probably could have used some therapy! In the end the audience gets the best end of the deal and can enjoy one last movie from the master himself
@@landapictures1701 True i alway thought that. Hayao literally grew up during world war II. I feel like so many people out of this time period need mental support. His obsession with work always represented his escape from reality and trying to hide from trauma to me. The movie that goro directed looked liked a mirror to his own life and when Hayao realized that he failed as a father, he was in denial. I see that with many people his age. My aunt is the same. She can't understand why her son isn't visiting her or talking to her.... when the signs are very clear.
He is good at making films but unlike most people im not gonna treat him some kind of god over it any compentent film maker can make a good movie
BRO YOU DESERVE 1 MILLION VIEWS ON THIS VIDEO SO GOOD!!!! I had no idea about Miyaza's relationship with his son. Painfully it reminds me of a similar relationship with my own father. Loved this video man!
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the video and were able to resonate with their struggle. Your kind words are much appreciated, wishing you the best! ✌️
I just think Miyazaki Hayao deeply knows how tough it is to carry such massive project. As a stoic artist himself, I think he knows he was able to do it only because of his life experiences. Studio Ghibli is basically his very own story. It's not wrong to think maybe Hayao wants his son to live his own life he truly desires? Instead of feeling the pressure to carry his fathers burden.
Upon Poppy Hill is a Masterpiece that I saw today for the first time & my fav Film after Whispers of the Heart.
i love your documentation, so relax and ure voice so soothing
Thank you, your kindness is much appreciated :)
Well made video !
Also, Hope Goru find his own path
Much appreciated, cheers!
With dynamics like these, it's sad. The ultimate goal of a generation is to surpass the next. However, Goro will always be known as the son of Hayao. Hayao will never be recognized as the father of Goro.
Funnily enough, after "Earwig and the Witch" was released, the almost unanimous consensus is that it was pretty bad, probably the worst Ghibli film - but apparently Hayao praised it, saying Goro (who directed it) used CG "skillfully" and that it "is really something" and "it turned out really well". According to Goro, even his mother, who had never praised him for his work before, did so after Earwig.
Yep a very interesting tidbit I also came across! It does lead me to believe that this whole experience helped bridge the gap somewhat between them, though of course it's all just conjecture. Very interesting nonetheless!
Great topic to do a video on, keep up the good work brother
Hey, much appreciated! Glad you liked it :)
From Up On Poppy Hill may not be the best Ghibli movie, but knowing the background of it's production: the strained father-son relationship, the Tohoku earthquake, and the limited time to create the movie (in less than a year), it's hard not to appreciate the movie.
Thanks for the video ❤️
Thank you, as well! ✌️
a great artist, but a coward of a father.
Wow, this makes me view The Boy and the Heron in a totally new light
hi I just found your channel and i already love what you are doing
thanks! glad you found my channel :)
Hayao ego is enormous.. I had no ide... it seems for some brilliant creatives, it goes hand in hand...
I love his movies and I’m not surprised he’s this kind of jerk and awful father. His reaction to earth sea tho was really hard to stomach, I always assumed he was gentle because of his films but he’s definitely not.
I can definitely understand where you're coming from. It is jarring to see the man behind so many masterpieces act in such an abrasive manner, especially to his own son.
That being said, I do think there is some nuance to the situation - and much of the negativity is from his younger days. I'm not trying to defend or condone his actions, but I do think he has softened on this topic considerably over the years, and has gained some important perspective. Fortunately it appears him and Goro seem to have a much more workable relationship these days.
Your video quality is really good.
Thank you! :)
Very good documentary keep going
When I heard he walked out of his sons movie to have a smoke it broke my heart, a good creator and shit father
This vídeo is a masterpiece.
amazing video!
Thanks! 🙂
TIMVID dropped :O Will watch this after work!
This video text, is pure poetry. 💚
Many thanks 🙂
Artist's, geniuses in general masters tend to be not good parents.Biggest asset that artists have is time . Even evolutionary, artists tend to have less interest in having children including women. (Could explain why lot's of artists tend to be queer as well) That is because some people are born to make breathtaking art, invent and some to raise, and love and be loved. None is better or worse but that is my own opinion. That is to why humans are so unique . Some people shouldn't have children even if biology is telling them to do so. Even Hayao claimed "Im not mature, I still feel like a kid" when asked why he doesn't want to see Goro. This man is an artist, genius and a master but he was not meant to be a parent. Feel deeply sorry for Goro .
Very interesting perspective. I agree that an artist on Miyazaki's scale just simply doesn't seem to have enough time for his art, let alone the many other facets of life that inevitably occur. Unfortunately this creates a lot of hard feelings all around.
Thanks for your thoughts
he might doesn´t know it, but Goro now has all the trauma needed to be a great artist. and there´s nothing Hayao can do about it now, You have to see the silverlinnings wherever you can.
I love From Up on Poppy Hill so much, it one of my favorite movies. Such a comfort film:/
I know his 3D film "Earwig and the Witch" was a failure but I'll still encourage him to continue to do digital animations and takes his own spin on it.
結局あなたの人生ですから、マイペースに自分のやりたいことをやればいいんですよ。
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the clubs in the poppy hill was one of my favourite scenes ever.
13:40❤ Miyazaki's dedication
Love it
FROM UP ON POPPY HILL IS MY FAVORITE STUDIO GHIBLI MOVIE FR! ❤ I ALwAYS REWATCH IT!
It seems that cultural differences are the main reason why Hayao Miyazaki's attitude toward Goro is not accepted by Westerners.
We Japanese do not feel that the way Hayao treats his children is cruel, although we do think it is strict.
If your own child, now an adult, is standing in the same place as you at work, it is understandable for Japanese people to treat him or her strictly with a sense of professional tension.
In fact, they may even take a stricter attitude so as not to be perceived as "patronizing because they are your children."
Hayao Miyazaki is an artist. As an artist, Hayao would have found Goro's first film unbearable to watch.
Still, I believe that if Goro had not been his own son, Hayao would not have left his seat in the middle of the film.
Hayao was strongly opposed to the idea of "Tales from Earthsea" being directed by Goro, who had never made a movie before. Goro, who had no career whatsoever in filmmaking, was chosen to direct the film because his father, Hayao, was a highly respected animation director. Goro would have worked hard in his own way, but as a result, he made the film that many people judged to be a bad film. Hayao probably could not forgive him for that. Japanese people cynically look at children who use their parents' big names to get ahead in life without any ability, calling it "oya no nana-hikari," or the "seven lights of the parents."
When Goro was a child, it was indeed unfortunate for him that Hayao was so busy making animation that he did not have much time to spend with his sons. However, I have heard that the field of animation production is and always has been a grueling one. I think it was partly unavoidable for Hayao to make the most of his talent.
Also, in Japan at that time, it was not uncommon for men to sacrifice time to be in touch with their families for work, and it was seen as "inevitable" if it was for the sake of work. Men worked furiously outside the home, while women guarded the house. It was a time when society as a whole considered this to be a good thing. (nowadays, people think very differently.) Therefore, it is not fair to blame Hayao for that.
Generally speaking, Japanese families are not good at expressing affection.
When children pass a certain age, parents and their children may have love in their hearts for each other, but they are less likely to express it in words and attitudes. The same is true for married couples. I think this is especially true for men of Hayao Miyazaki's generation.
(We Japanese are very attentive to our friends, colleagues, and strangers who happen to be in the same place, but we tend to forget to show appreciation and respect to our closest family members.)
I believe that Hayao Miyazaki has never not loved Goro. He has paid unreserved praise to his son for Goro's most recent film, "Earwig and the Witch".
(After translating it at DeepL, I have corrected the parts that I deemed necessary.)
Thank you for the cultural context as someone native to Japan. Your explanation is thorough and very understandable, and hopefully will allow others to glean some better understanding through the lens of a more traditional mindset.
I completely agree with you that Hayao has always loved Goro and wanted him to succeed, but as you mentioned - a very difficult thing for him to show and express within traditionally Japanese cultural norms. Also, it is 100% factual that Goro was not ready to direct Earthsea. His lack of experience and inability to create on that scale is readily apparent in his blog posts (I also go into this in more depth in my retrospective).
Thanks for your comment, some much needed perspective from someone who grew up in the society that is inseparable from their dynamic as father/son, master/apprentice.
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Thanks for the reply😉
@@TimThoughts Love for your children should not turn into nepotism. Hayao was really opposed to his son getting position just because of his father. But Suzuki thought it's the best way of ensuing any continuity in Ghibli.
Considering all the cultural/ societal factors, I believe Hayao and Goro's relationship should be a cautionary tale for the younger generation of Japanese families. Just because something is considered "the way everyone thinks" doesn't mean it is excusable. Otherwise, Goro wouldn't long so much for his own father. People are still people despite how much traditions are imposed on them. Just because Goro understands the typical work-centric lifestyle of Japanese men, doesn't mean he wouldn't feel the need for his father's presence.
I really do hope younger Japanese families will value familial relationships more. And really hoping that the Japanese government will be more helpful in encouraging more time for families. The Japanese population is literally in danger because the majority of people see having children or having their own family as a burden to their careers, and a host of other related reasons...
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Thank you very much for your interesting reply. It was thought-provoking.
I think you are absolutely right. I also completely agree that government initiatives are important for the younger generation (young people in Japan today are more concerned about balance between work and private life. The problem is that not all workplaces are able to meet their wishes).
As a matter of fact, when I was a child, my father was also very busy with work and had very little time to spend with the family. He used to go to work before we children woke up and come home after we went to bed.This was in the 1990s and 2000s. Is this unthinkable in your country?
The Japanese mindset is changing rapidly. I hope there will be no more children like Goro Miyazaki and myself in the future.
Finally, if you don't mind, could you tell me where you are from and what country you currently live in? I won't do anything once I know, but I'm just curious.
they worked together again :)) - goro was an executiuve producer on 'The Boy and the Heron' :>
Oh amazing, thanks for the info - I did not know that!
@TimThoughts no thankyou great video :)
watching this makes the boy and the heron hit different
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As an aside...Goro's pretty cute. Loving the dimples 😉
Nice.
Hayao knows well enough that only passion and talent alone will not bring his son to greatness. Failures and experience are also part of the equation. What Goro needs to understand is the harshness of reality, failures are part of the process and he is responsible for his own choice in life, he can't blame anyone else for his failures if he wants to be great.
For many many years my dad and I had a very similar relationship, until I finally figured out what I wanted for myself in life, walking my own path and finally obtained the acknowledgement from my dad. If he wasn't that tough on me, I believe I would still be lost, blaming others for my misfortune.
Hayao is a great man, he just wants Goro to find his own purpose in life, not because of Hayao's status / influence. At the end of the day it's not about seeking Hayao's acknowledgement. Goro needs to be more strict and harsh on himself than Hayao does to him in order to exceed his father's achievements, if he wants to beat his father as the greatest anime director ever.
This made me really sad... Came here bcuz of the boy and the heron, i didn't like the movie but i heard it was about their relationship
" you should'nt make movies about your emotions" why??
Ive been watching anime for decades now and love it but recently ive started to look into the creators of my favorite shows and find almost all have difficulty in life. Oda said he didn't want to spend time with his family because it would tempt him to spend time with them rather than making more One Piece
I think there is inherent struggle in being an artist, especially when your portfolio is as prolific as a Miyazaki or an Oda. Giving your all to a craft necessitates a level of sacrifice in personal relationships that unfortunately can cause a lot of harm to those closest to you. I don't know if there is a realistic "solution" to these issues, as it's fundamentally a matter of resource allocation.
That being said, I do think there is a lot to be learned from these challenges and sacrifices that many great artists have experienced. Perhaps it can teach the rest of us to better appreciate and cherish those loved ones around us.
Anyway, just thinking out loud. Appreciate the insightful commentary. Thanks for sharing your experiences :)
I think his father did the right thing (sorta) He made sure to be truthful and genuine with his son about how he thought his future would continue if he kept pursuing animation as a medium, and gave him the advice he believed he needed in order to make better changes in his life and succeed at his own thing…
It just so happened that his son’s own thing was his own thing as well…
Both Hayoi and Goro COULD have gone a better way at bettering their relationship, yes, they could’ve… but the way their dynamic was from the start and how their culture fundamentally works, I FIRMLY believe that the way they mended their bond in the way that they did it. Was the correct path. Was it the perfect path? No. It wasn’t, But it didn’t have to be, nor should it have been, after all everyone likes to forget that no one and NOTHING in this world is perfect.
The way that Hayoi and Goro went about repairing their father-son relationship and healing each other’s wounds, was beautifully orchestrated. Almost like it was destiny. And it doesn’t leave a doubt in my mind that these 2 gained more from this trail and test of endurance than any other thing that could’ve happened in their lives. It’s honestly a plain miracle.
That’s how I would describe it, maybe I’m being a bit too dramatic, but in my opinion this is how real-life Miracles are suppose to look like. Not overly-flashy and magical… but subtle and intricately weaved. That’s what I’d call a Miracle, and these 2 made it happen. Through pure strenuous effort and hardwork, they made their dreams come true, while also solving their past trauma and insecurities, that’s something special. I look forward to what Goro and Hayoi will direct in the future, as both individual artists with their own unique and creative takes on how the world can be, AND as Father and Son producers of equal skill.
May the Miyazaki name be blessed
His dad's an asshole still
From up on poppy hill is my fav studio ghibli movie along with kikos delivery service. 🤭 fuoph is beautiful
just like me and my mom on our family business, when she mad she refuse to communicate for days that it affect the business.
i wish she could put things aside when working together, i wish i could corner her to talk what's the beef about, but im as dumb at communicating.
I hope you may find a way to establish some common ground. Family tension is always so difficult to overcome, wishing you the best!
ıt s saddening that Mr.Hayao's reason to keep going is children and their imagination but he could not appreciate his son in the same way and give the amount of time Goro deserved.
So he runs away from his son after watching his film and he can't even relay his true feelings to his son directly? Yet he says Goro needs to grow up? What a joke. I wish Goro would rebel. If he can make money directing, he should just do it how he wants. He is not his father, so why try to appease him. Dude needs to live his own life.
Not sure if I can watch Ghibli Movies the same way I did before, now knowing what a complete a**hole Hayao Miyazaki is. Goro on the other Hand has my full support from now on.
Goros work is the worst I have ever seen but knowing that he never even wanted to follow his footsteps softens my heart.
Hayao fails to recognize that it doesn’t matter how other people feel about your film as long as you, the creator are happy with it.
His harsh criticisms are inappropriate and unrequested
I agree with you, his comments were unnecessarily harsh and he could have been much more helpful if he put his ego aside.
But coming from this hard-nose traditional Japanese mentality, combined with his obsessive creative tendencies - led him to not be able to see much farther than his own perspective on how to do things "right".
A very interesting study of a master artist.
I appreciate your insightful comment, thanks!
@@TimThoughts it just bothers me because he’s being a hypocrite to what he said in other documentaries about trusting your heart or whatever
@@buster5661 I can definitely see your point.
While I don't agree with his treatment of his son, I do think that there are a lot of factors that are difficult to understand from an outsider's perspective.
He is definitely a complicated man and has a lot of strong opinions. I suppose inevitably some of those same opinions will upset a good amount of people.
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I am with you. Those shit heads who attacked Gorō should put themselves in his shoes and see if they can do better.
You all think Hayao should treat his son less harsh, but in terms of art creation and film making, he SHOULD treat his son as another artist, not his son. He should give his honest opinions on the work itself, otherwise Goro would never know what he did well or not well. Hayao's accomplishments did come from being soft.
Goro got cast directing his first film in one of the biggest studios purely because his dad is the founder. He has no experience. Help too much and it just becomes a Hayao film with his son taking credit. Help too little and you are a terrible father and overall mentor. He is a terrible father for neglect and his brass words but recent years has become a point where Goro must overcome the impossible and carry the Ghibli legacy or everyone’s childhood crumbles beneath his feet. No matter the outcome, it will no longer be Hayao’s studio. It will become Goro’s. There may be hope of steering the legacy in a new direction, but it will definitely not be the same as it once was.
From up on poppy hill is my 2nd fave Ghibli
Hideki ano cameo👍
I think Goro’s gonna get out of his father shadow the exact moment he will stop to think about it. He should just find his way, his voice e do what makes him happy, regardless that old grumpy father. About Hayao, it’s very childish to think that your son is gonna be your younger version…. Childish and unhealthy for your son.
I agree, parenting is hard - and being Miyazaki's son must be incredibly challenging as well. I do think that over the past few years Goro has found his own path.
People may not agree with what he's doing or think his art is as good as his father's, but I think he is finally living for himself and finding his own way.
父親が偉大すぎるから、色々バグってるだけ。親子の関係って誰の目から見ても明白なものでも、本人間ではこうも難しく拗れることがあるんだもんな
色々アニメを見てきたけど、やっぱりジブリは素晴らしい。時代遅れな宮崎駿、新しい技術を試さない、なんて思ってましたがやはりジブリにしか出せないアニメの躍動感、感動、プロの細かい技術。それはジブリにしか出せません。だからお金も時間も労力もめちゃくちゃかかると思うけど、完成されたら作品は一生思い出に残り、何度でも見たい、未来に残したいと思います。
たしかにジブリのアニメは素晴らしい。私は宮崎さんと、彼らの仕事を可能にしているすべてのアニメーターをとても尊敬しています。洞察力をありがとう。
Well it must be hard to be deemed as a failure by not only your father but the most revered guy in this profession 😢 I would quit and not even try
My brain took a sec to load and after the short and I was like HOLD UP
I thought the Earthsea adaptation was incredible as a first attempt at directing
can someone tell me the music used in the intro?