IF You're This Type of Machinist, You Deserve $100,000+ Salary
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- After many comments and messages, we're continuing the conversation of lack of pay when it comes to machinists, which was previously discussed in last weeks video, "The Biggest Problem in CNC Machining."
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My old CNC instructor once gave me a word of advice: "If a machinist tells you they know everything about machining stay away from them."
I didn't understand him then but I do now.
That's very true..the old ones in the trade not willing to learn new things because they have been there done that... they need to be sacked to help the companies innovate
Insert any trade name in that. I’m a 36yo electrician and I meet and supervise guys that are much older than me. Don’t tell me what you know SHOW ME what you know.
I cringe whenever guys tell me how many years of experience they have and all the knowledge they know. I just stand there thinking "please stop".
Been in the game for almost 20 years and I am still learning. It's a great field!!
That's sound advice in general, not just for machining.
I adhere to the saying "Be wary of people who claim to know the truth but follow those who are looking for it closely".
Bad companies destroy the drive that allows normal people to become great at what they do. It's all fine and great to talk about what an employee deserves, but if that employee works in a place where there is a top pay and the guy that sits around and plays with his phone gets paid the same as the one getting things done, the company shouldn't expect top notch performance. The really driven employees always take 1 of 2 routes. 1) move to a company that appreciates dedication, hard work and skill. 2) they start their own shop where pay is dictated by the ultimate boss, the customer.
I’d rather be my own boss !
@@sloppyjonuts9162 I took option #2, never looked back.
Very very TRUE !!!
I agree.
Long story short , I stumbled upon Titan and his tv show during my first year as an operator. It helped me visualize how far this profession can stretch. I saw how opportunities, skills, and knowledge in this trade are endless.. Now the last 5 years I haven't learned as much as I would like, but my pay increased from $12 to $25 , and I attribute this to the philosophies learned from Titan. Thank you to Titan, your team, and thanks to everyone here that's enthusiastic about building up manufacturing.
Love this post and will do my best to keep training you and instilling knowledge😁
Everything Titan is saying about an employee that describes an employee worthy of 6 figures is literally my boss. Best role model I have ever had… EVER.
The "employee" he describes.... is running their own business in direct competition.
What he describes is a partner.. not a fixed salary employee.
You need a mix of do'ers and thinkers to have a successful business.
Know yourself, and know where you fit into this equation.
Its difficult maintaining top level attitude when you are well aware of the fact that you are underpaid. There are shops that underutilize and misuse top level machinists as well.
Very well said. I constantly tell the youngens in my shop that knowledge is power. 36 years in the trade and still learning!
Love it
Educated by Engel Austria as a machine-tooling engineer 20 years ago, still learning every day .
Keep plowing onwards, Fred !
A company I very briefly worked for gave their employees a £25 gift voucher as a bonus for doing an excessive amount of overtime and getting the company out of the crapper.
The directors both got a Porsche from company owner, it made the shop floor so mad that they stopped doing the overtime.
Same. I told them we need new cat40 tool Holder plus collets and even Haas recommend telling them we need new holder because they're pitted. Waited a month nothing. Waited for my 90 days interview nothing, a year interview nothing. After employee turnover 3 times I was their nothing, When I quit $2 raise. I'll pass that doesn't keep up with inflation, minimum wage.
I work for a contractor and we work for a major tire manufacturer. I’m an electrician and I build the equipment that builds tires. Recently at the corporate level of the tire manufacturer they canceled 50% of every outside contractors personnel on site and THEN told us we had to work overtime. Needless to say I told them to pound sand and piss up a rope. I cut out the 5 hours of OT I was getting before the cut and told them I refuse to over work a position to cover for a manpower deficit. If they want more hours of work get more people back on site.
What a kick in the pants. At least you only worked there briefly.
@@david24442 define briefly... Is almost a year a little too long?
@@themattrixrevolution I was there 4 months, you were supposed to get a review and a pay rise after 3.
The management totally blanked me with regards to this so I gave them a white envelope and I went back to work for my old boss.
I always suggest improvements. Not only in the work I'm doing on milling, but in everything within the company. In manufacturing processes, marketing ideas, health and safety and whatever comes up in my mind that could help the company develop and improve. I'm working on the shop floor and I see what's happening and what improvements can be made. Not people from the office.
Unfortunately in the company I'm working for, the effort is not valued. I get paid according to some skill matrix excel sheet. My lvl pays me under 18K with around 6 years experience on CNC. We have to be 90% efficient and with that, no one puts more effort. I'm the only one out of 400 people who suggest anything (according to the manager). But what saddens me the most is that not much get's implemented or improved. Regardless, I keep suggesting things even if they don't get implemented. They probably are fed up with me suggesting things. But I've done my part of the job. If they don't want to improve, that's up to them. I now will look for a new job.
Being in such a place for almost 5 years now managed me into burnout and depression. Being surrounded by people not wanting to do anything out of line breaks my brain. Standing still is like taking steps back without moving in any direction. Hope you found something. Im forced to look for something new too now.
@@sicstar Not exactly. I'm leaving UK for good and this job too. Engineers are undervalued. Will switch to IT.
@ Best wishes for your further journey then and good luck finding a new employer or the opportunity to be your own cheffe. And yeah most work nowadays is undervalued sadly...
You nailed it Titan. I owned a shop for over 40 years and had almost every kind of employee. There were many that would come in and think they knew more than me and that we were doing everything wrong just because they had many years experience . My favorite philosophy was bring them to me at 16 years old and fresh off the farm. I think you know where I’m coming from. Thank you for all you do. I spent the greater part of my life in trying to advance our trade.
Exactly. Bring me a kid that hasn’t learned bad practices from someone else. But I’ll take one that’s willing to learn any day, regardless of their previous experience. One of the best kids at our company managed a Domino’s. Realized he wanted a career, not a job.
He was scared of being yelled at, for any reason at all, because that was what he’d heard happens to you as a young guy in the trades. I’ll tell any one that works with me,
“You are GOING TO FUCK UP. You’ll break tools, you’ll cut stuff too short, and pretty much feel like you’re just in my way most of the time. But it’s fine, I’m expecting it. I’m not going to yell at you. I won’t give you anything to do that you can fuck up bad enough that I can’t fix it, I’ll teach you everything I know and I’ll try my absolute best to not let you hurt yourself.
You learn more from solving problems and having to get creative to fix your mistakes than you do from repeating a task over and over again.
Now, go fill my coffee and where the fuck are my gloves?!”
And strangely enough, all the kids I’ve trained absolutely crush when they go through trade school.
Every one of my apprentices over 22 years still keep in touch with me. And I’m proud of that.
When I think about what I could learn if I just work a month at this shop Im realy about to pack my stuff and fly over to the US
Hell, I’d be willing to give up a months salary to work for free just to learn from the best and Im just a hobby machinist.
It's all about propaganda
@@marcoantoniochierici what do you mean?
@@jackswegel7422
Propaganda - Trying to convince others that your job is superior, when in fact is just average.
@@marcoantoniochierici got it, true fact
Your so on point Titan. Years ago I worked with my grandfather and I learned from him in his shop on manual machines. I remember the one time he scolded me, it was over a cracked mill vise. He told me to stop waiting around for him to tell me how to fix it and think of the best way to fix it and fix it. From that day forward I stopped waiting for others and started pushing myself to limit after limit. Now at my current company we are not a machine shop but we or I build stuff to blueprints or napkin drawings. I started with a clone Bridgeport Knee Mill and we now have two CNC tables, I have built my own CNC machine, traded work for a CNC laser, built a 3D printer and at the moment am rebuilding a name brand CNC. The only thing I know is, Just Keep Going, keep pushing. Thank you Titan for all you do. Who cares what the doubters say, just keep going.
Every day is a new lesson in this trade and you should never be content with where you are. You should always be happy and grateful, but the day you stop learning is the day you gave up trying to. Always strive for greatness and forward motion.
Unfortunately alot of times you can have all those qualities and improve on all that productivity only to be shown the door by asking for more money, I've seen and lived this reality. I improved upon countless setups and created multiple fixtures while simultaneously doing 2nd ops on a proto trak between runs all while making $17.80 hr and when I asked for $25 they told me no. And that they were looking to get me some help for me to train them. Needless to say I don't do machining anymore.
Thats so true Titan, im 6 years in my actual company, its a small company. my Boss watched me the last few month how im acting with other machinists and how im improved the productivity. a few weeks ago a company orders some preety nice pieces from us, the time to finish this job per piece was about 7 hours, i said to him pls let me try something if it goes wrong i take it. he gave me the trust and i was able to bring the time down to 2 hours. he was completly flashed an say to me this was crazy and he gaves me a new contract with a big plus for money. i was so proud of myself to never give up! the words he says means so much to me. sry for my english im from germany and i love your videos best greetz =)
I absolutely love your videos and appreciate all that you post. I have only been in the industry for 1 year after being a stay at home mom for 12 years and soooooo wish I could come learn at your shop. I could actually learn so fast! . The guys at my work don't like answering my questions, and I have lots because I like to know the why behind everything lol, so I have been self learning through RUclips. So thank you for giving me tips. I have the work ethic to make a lot of money just not the knowledge. So thank you for helping this single mom get the knowledge I will need to succeed.
This is not 100% true, but a 1000% true.. in my previous company we made parts for ASML. When I wanted to test new tools and new feeds and speeds they got angry and said: we do it like this for more then 20 years (with hss tool steel end mills) do not touch it. It's one of the reasons they had to let me and 25 other people go because ASML found a cheaper supplier that made the parts better, faster and cheaper..
Yep, happens all the time.
Shop owners will complain about work going to China… and then walk into their own shop where they refuse to innovate… Culture drops and attitudes drop… and jobs leave unnecessarily
Yes, and thats exactly what happened to me, to us.. and it is such a shame..
You will be underpaid until you own the company.
And when you own the company you will realize why you were underpaid 😂
@@ryanallkins7788 Well said
Reminds me of when I was a CNC Foreman and I increased the depth of cut on a part by 50% and the operator was freaking out. He literally ran away from the machine when I hit cycle start.
I looked at the load meter, no problem machine has enough HP. Told the operator no problem, run it. I get that same thing, " We never cut that deep before, it's too much."
I go through everything from the tool max. depth of cut from Sandvik, part's not slipping in the chuck, machine has enough power. The tool life actually improved and I come back by the next day and the guy has changed it back. I had to finally tell the operator that I was going to fire him if he changed it again.
" We've always machined it this way."
People just can't understand that fewer chips usually means longer tool life. My dad learned that in a blacksmith shop in the 50's.
Watching your videos makes me appreciate my job more. I wish I had more responsibilities and was trained more at work. But I end up learning from RUclips instead. Thanks for everything that you do.
Man I wish I could have worked with you in my younger years. Your words resonate to the core of a real machinist.
Hey Titan, I liked your comments about Changing the Program. I have been machining for 46 years now ,36 Years (Self Employed) , 23 years with CNC Machines. I constantly tweak, change, and modify my programs, and Fixtures, to try and improve the part and or the process. I still want to learn so much more. People always say" Man You know it all" . I say Man I feel like I am just getting started. I have a Lot To learn. Your parts and video's are pretty awesome, Thank You
Let’s be honest, the pay in manufacturing isn’t very good in general.
Nope, we have to compete with countries like China. Nothing against them but search for anything on eBay and then price sort it and look at how cheap they sell their products.
These videos have already gotten viewers more money… There are always companies will to pay the money… but you also have to be worth it.
Define ‘good’. I’ve been machining for twelve years. Set Ups on Lathes and Mills. I make mid 50’s a year. The problem is I live in California lol
@@F30586 even here in Germany the average wage for a machinist is around 16 euros per hour which is not much compared to others jobs
Actually i can earn more as a delivery guy 😂😂😂 but i wouldn't enjoy it
@@TITANSofCNC videos didn’t get viewers more money, they did that themselves.
I'm starting my first Job this Monday at a machine shop, and this video was super helpful Thank you for all the great content...
Best of luck! Fun trade!
@@micahcrewson5374 Thank you very much
Make sure you fill out your ID10T form!
@@anthonydevault8425 well it’s part time do I still need it I’m not sure what it is?
@@lateatday9826 lol it's a joke. It spells idiot. They will fuck with you your first day
Just started a new job at a shop after being away from the trade for a couple years. Hope I can bring some of Titan’s attitude back in and start leveling myself and my coworkers up.
If the person has so much expertise and everybody can rely on him why not build his own company instead being an employee?
expertise in a industry is'nt equal to company running/ getting your own bussines , you have to have much knoledge on that , not all people are good buisness men even though you are good at you do
If they're content with what they're doing I don't see the problem. Owning a company comes with a lot of downsides and stress. Why bother if you can lay back and earn 6 figures while doing what you love? Money only improves your life until your basic needs are covered, after that point it becomes more and more useless.
@@chas1878 Sorry but I don't see it that way. If your work is increasing the company productivity with 10% whatever salary increase you get is nothing compared with the amount of money the company makes. For me that salary increase is not an incentive and at my age it would not feed my ego that I did something extraordinary for the company.
It's called money.
@@dman0042 The extra nothing at your salary or the money you can make building your own company?
I actually make over 120 k a year. When I work 80 hours a week. 😂😂😂
If I worked 12 hours a day 5 days a week, I'd be at 100k. Some people do that at my work, and also steal lunch time by claiming they don't take one and their productivity is low. The overtime isn't always available for me and there has to be someone else willing to do the same hours since someone else has to be there too. I used to work 11 hours a day just to make what I make working 40 now. Burned out doing that
Sounds like you work Sundays, when do you enjoy life?
My dad was a machinist, I’m a auto tech, I love the challenge, still at the age of 65, of diagnosing and repairing the new electronic failures of these newer cars. I have the same structure and attitude in my work that Titan talks about and it started with my dad.
Awesome info. I dont machine, but as an automotive tech (diy) and electronics (by trade) tech, this channel has great info. A true teacher.
Thanx man. I love being that guy that innovates. People look forward to the days I work. And I love teaching them to do what I do.
Culture goes up… excitement goes up… the floor rises…
Nice
Big respect man .You gave me motivation to learn some something new every day.
inspiring words like always Titan, i've been used by companys before and i lost the struggle. i was left out even though i made a Global change for the company saving millions and gave them everything i could. But it came down to who has the greasiest mouth and right to speak to whom in a technical sense. i've lost all faith in humanity all i see is greed i cant stand to help anyone because i know they want it for free. so i back out... i have 3 patents but i cant do anything with them i lost 3 due to no protection so it has been taken.
A n y h o w.. i wish i had boss like you i would give you everything with the biggest smile i could get.
I've seen it in companies and bosses too. They just use you up to their own detriment.
I work for a materials testing laboratory since 2019, where I make the tensile tests from the most violent materials. And thanks to you, I'm as good as I am. I learned a lot from your channel. Thanks.
Pastor Titan, Spreading the Gospel of Machining. Respect Brother.
Amen!
You know your ready to move toward top level, when you're excited about the ass kicking and education you may get today.
I got into machining from computer programming. We often talked about 10x programmers, who are the legendary guys that just constantly outperformed everyone else by a factor of 10x. I've met three of those 10x'ers in machining and 2/3rds of them were terrible people. It was the same in programming. But the rare 10x'er that also the guy that people look forward to seeing everyday deserves every penny they have coming. I'm trying really hard to always be that guy.
i recently switched from welding to cnc and cutting mechanics and wow.. this trade is one of the most fun i've ever had and also the most infuriating. Especially some old heads that are stubborn and not willing to learn and teach.
This is my favorite machining and workshop channel.
With regards.
Every day is a new day to learn something in machining. I find myself saying "learned something new today!".
"Kissing things right into spec"- Titan. That's my new favorite quote of the month 👊
I don't know about America but in the UK the trade is definitely underpaid...We recently had an apprentice finish his time and a company offered him a job and he didn't take it as they were paying less than he could make being a checkout operator at a local store..Its crazy what some companies are trying to pay at the moment
Very similar 😂 I get 4 bucks more than a bagger and I’ve been there 2 years
Employee's that treat the instruments and equipment like they purchase it are best.
I have a couple guys that only want to run 1 machine and not let anyone else touch it. Now if I could only get him to have that attitude with 3 machines!!
I'm that type of guy at my work, I work hard and find solution to gain time, I do the same job as my collegue but it take me half the time.
All my boss see is more money in his pocket and doesn't gave it a bit to myself. I really need to change or search for a new job to have something there.
I worked at the number one seller/manufacturer of road tanker in Europe. Sometimes I really thing I need to move of country when I saw other people being well paid for the job like in the US or Australia (I live in France)
Yann Goarant I live in Australia,have my own machine shop but I tell you what the majority of the machinist jobs don't pay that well here either.When you compare the skill required to be a machinist to say a plumber,electrician.carpenter or even painter to name a few is above most but the pay is possibly the lowest.Before I started my own business I have worked for numerous companies during my most productive younger years to get paid peanuts.I'm sure in a country like France there are more opportunities than Australia.Over the last 30 years or so our manufacturing declined so sharply that from four car manufacturers to none all gone and supporting industries mostly closed doors some moved to other areas of manufacturing.
@@mehmettemel8725 a friend move to Australia, I made a job that look like mine, he get paid 45AU$ an hour, I get 19€ (30AU$). But we have a lot of help from our government in France (we don't have to pay for doctor, hospital, dentist etc...)
@@yanngoarant1302 Average wage is about 36 AUD/HOUR your friend must be a really good machinist or very lucky unless he is working on casual basis.The other issue is you need to compare cost of living not just income.
It's mind boggling to me if this is true a Machinist with skills like this can't make 6 figures. I would think they would make bank I can't do this stuff I'm a truck driver I work 5 days a week and I make over 100k a year. What I do can be stressful but for the most part it's easy just don't hit things and your doing good.
I have education in law, but now changed my career to hands on job. I saw an career opportunity as machinist apprenticeship at Schlumberger and I applied for it .Wish me luck 😁 . Hope i got the position since there is less competition .
What happened to me (twice) is when I had to train a new guy (he had 'some' experience) and found out he was hired in at a higher rate than I was making. That's why attitudes suck and the older generation told their kids to go do something else. I liked what I did (I enjoy these videos) but the politics I could do without. I started my own carpet cleaning business and make more money/ work less hours. - anyway I was in tool&die for 25 years in southwestern PA, if that matters.
I've been a Machinist for almost 20 years here in Franklin county pa. I'm ready to move on from it.
Absolutely right ! Machinists don’t have the salary they deserve.
Titan I been following you for a while and someday I wanna run at 700ipm, definitely met alot of people "from the past" I'm just striving for a chance to excel. Keep doing what you do.
Thanks😁
It's interesting that I see a lot of comments criticizing "the old guy". I believe there is a place for experience and knowledge. Without that, your redesigning the proverbial wheel over and over again. "The old guy" has been there and done that, and they are aware of the failures. As someone that LOVES innovation and technologies, I don't want to be held back by the past, but at the same time, I want to learn from "the old guy" and pay closer attention to his advice. Especially on where they failed, and why. Without the old, there will never be new, and everything you learn today, will be different tomorrow.
Omg I know those types of people that don’t want anyone to touch anything they do because it can’t possibly be done any better and they know everything all too well, especially if your younger than them, they really are a cancer and most of the time they’re the ones with the bad habits, I love learning, knowledge is power, I will continue learning till the day I die, stay open minded and never stop learning and improving your game!
I follow you from Colombia and I like how you work with cnc machines
Thats life advice there. Push yourself to become better, Help those who need help. We are in this together.
Ima show my dad this. Hes been a machinist for 45 years. The dudes absolutely insane on a manual. Theres nothing he cant make. But when it comes to the CNC hes super hard headed. Maybe this will level with em. Hes been letting me make programs for jobs now that I have been learning from the Academy but is still stuck on slow and doesnt buy into all the fancy tools. :D
I feel where your dad is coming from. Manual machine work requires a whole different set of skills. You are trying to do what a C.N.C can all by what you know and using the tools you have. It's becoming a lost art along with the skills involved.
That's the right attitude right there. Top-notch.
"Sometimes, ya just gotta reinvent the wheel." (Different fixtures to hold it better or whatever needs to be made to work better, ect...)
One of the best pieces of advice I could give someone trying to be a step ahead of others in a technically fast paced career is pretty simple - browse catalogs and white papers for trade relevant companies and vendors. I am old school and prefer paper ones, but edocs are even more easily available. I have found seeing new parts, tools, and supplies really gets my creativity flowing. In many cases, a purchase isn't even needed as you can come up with something similar with parts on hand. It also allows you to be a step ahead of others in problem solving as you are aware of new solutions and tooling that may apply to whatever pickle your company finds themself in. Its a really easy practice to pickup that is free from most companies. I am only a hobby machinist, but I work in IT as an infrastructure architect and this really helped me coming up. CNC machining is just as much on a fast paced technical evolution as IT and you cannot be static. You will NEVER know everything as there are new solutions, techniques, and tools coming out daily to learn about. Like Titan said, anyone that claims they know it all is on a sinking ship and not in the right career.
Finally we got to see the final passes on this big titanium part. Man it's been a long time, and was one of the most interesting ones to me due to getting to see huge roughing passes all the way down to this.
As to the video, I've been in IT and currently am a network admin for a roughly ~$1Billion per year organization, and the more I learn the more I find out I have a lot more to learn.
We had put it on AerospaceAcademy.com
the whole series is actually.
LEARN , LEAD , SUCCEED
TITAN close to 300K subs lets get him over the LINE
If you work like this... invest in yourself, and make a company. Make a more competitive environment for employers.
I wish I would found you when I was in the shop. They would bring in a new guy that had a degree in anything and pay him 3 dollars an hour more than me then have me train them. None of them would listen and they a would crash the machines.
I started not even knowing how a cnc machine worked and when I left I could run setup and program, I asked several times to be sent out for more training and they refused.
They were all about tool life. We had incolnel parts that had a 1 hour cycle time, with your way probably half hour.
Agree 100% I tell my best employees that if your not learning something everyday then you are falling behind! this is true in any industry .
That pillar is a FORCE MULTIPLIER. 5X, 10X, 20X. They make the whole team, shop, company better. They also have the ability to spawn new pillars and the cycle continues! Love the content!
Good video this for the big heads that think they know it all, but can they walk the talk. Much respect A+
Actually we are running small cnc shop but everyday i learn something new. That,s good thing that,s point im never get boring this journey.. love this.👌👊 and another good vibes thanks for sharing.
I’m starting a job on Monday that pays 50% of the labor quote on the job. Each machinist “owns” a handful of repeat small batch jobs. When you do the job the first time, you make 3-4x the order and hold the extras as inventory. When they order more, you bag em up and hand em over. You still get paid 50% on the labor, every time.
Everyone there makes over $100k and most are around $150k with a few hitting $200k on good years.
I get hourly $35 for the first few months until I have a portfolio of jobs.
What everyone needs to remember is that Titan is in California. A $100k out there is a lot different than here in the Midwest. If his guys are running 2 or 3 machines the way that he wants them to run, then THEY should be making $100k working 45-50 hrs. a week. I wouldn't live in California for $200k. I wish he would move to Indiana. I'd love to work for him.
A self taught guy in 1999 held a stop watch and showed me (a tradesman!) how to save huge amounts of cycle time.
The mark of a man who knows something is that he'll be the first to tell you he knows nothing!
Now a days $100,000 really isn't that much money.
Always been my motto. Proudly made in the USA. If it's worth doing it's worth doing right, and make your company rich so they will share some of it with you.
been working at a shop for about 4 years as a tool and die maker, we run a lot of D2 tool steel and supply 5 satellite shops with parts, I took a process that took a week for a set of blades for one of our shearing machines and made a fixture and ran a years worth in 5 days on a 1994 haas vf-3.
When I first started in the shop I am currently in I tried to push things to a higher level and I got shut down because nobody else wants to.
It’s not only crazy, it’s boring and depressing…
@@TITANSofCNC It really is.
I can relate
I'm retired, and when I started in the shops, NC was the big thing.
CNC didn't really get 'on the floor' until decades after I first learned to G-code my way through a part and then run aircraft production. I made acceptable coin then, and when I retired, I was worth the six figures a year I was pulling down.
Forty+ years of experience, education and knowledge piles up.
You've heard that old saying "I've forgotten more about x-y-z than some kid will ever know"? Yes, that's me.
More than once, I've straightened out an engineer on something, be it stress equations, dimensions, processes or whatnot. The CEO of more than one company has come to me to see "Is this possible, can we make it for this much, and lose our shirts?"
Do I know everything about machining? Nope. There's stuff I haven't wrapped my brain around and made into quality parts, floor to floor. But...
What I did, for all the myriad parts of all kinds of materials across all kinds of machines with loose to tight tolerances, I did well and made the company money with quality parts for their products and for customer's products. IF it had my 'stamp' on it, it was known to be good. Period, End of Conversation.
THAT'S why I was worth six figures per year.
NOT because I stamped my foot and cried "Cuz I said so!!! WWhhaaaa!!"
A successful relationship is built on a two way street. Sadly most of corporate America is driven by a one way street.
Every second saved on a cycle is worth money! Sadly, what one deserves, and what one gets, are usually miles apart, especially in the metalworking/machining branch...
So beautiful your info it makes me push up to starting my tiny workshop
Thanks
Leaning towards being a leader in my shop even if I'm being miss treated and one of the youngest in the shop thanks for the video
I make about 120,000 a year as a 5 axis machinist. All that you say is true, but it is hard to get the experience needed to advance. I had to make myself valuable then threaten to leave in order to get a real raise. Most shop owners wont give you a chance, you have to make it in spite of their restrictions and limitations, and in the end it's not my shop. I can make a 3 or 5 axis mill do my bidding but I have no horizontal experience because I never had an opportunity run or program one.
For what it's worth.
This video made me ask for a raise. Moving up to 35 dollars a hour in the south east it's not bad
@8:12 "Running fast and Hard, and Coming And Kissing Everything" 😂😂😂
"That person" would be running their own damn company right now if they had the financial backing that half of these trust fund babies use for start ups. I've ran into a handful of those individuals throughout my career and in the end, most of them throttle their work to match their compensation. If companies want individuals like that to shine then they'll not only compensate them for it, but they'll invest in making them better through continued education and classes, and the majority of these companies won't do that. The majority of these companies want a six star worker at a single star salary and then they wonder why "nobody wants to work" for them and why their employees hate the company... They want employees to be as passionate as the owner while being paid as little as the janitor.
You have no excuses
As a machinist, not a shop owner, you will realize, what you think you deserve, (and you may be worth what you think you deserve), and what the company is willing, or permitted by policy, to pay you based on your job title, may be miles apart. Excel at your position for your own benefit and satisfaction and growth, do not expect financial reward. I made a darn good living, (46 yrs and retired) as a machinist, tool designer, CNC programmer, (and CNC software developer) at many small Mom and Pop shops up to Fortune 500 (3 of them) in NE Ohio. MOST shops have pay scales (I’m talking hourly positions) and do not deviate from them, no matter what your efficiency or attitude is. If you want more money, change titles or shops. I found the best way to get a large raise, was to change companies. If you are lucky enough to work at a place that recognizes talent and rewards it, do your best and stay put. Good luck and cheers from Akron, Ohio.
I'm glad you said this. YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. Now how do we get the industry to see this, to understand it as a whole, to take that leap of faith and implement the higher pay when THAT GUY is doing it for 45k annually already? A guy who has to move a family to a new region to even see a 20k increase. I tell you what tho, I've been watching your videos and I can see several ways to increase production. A: Put the schunk pull studs on the fixture plates for that tow hook job and not on the base plate. You only eliminated the dialing in of the fixture. Eliminate the bolting and unbolting too. Boom, there is an extra hour for 15 pcs. And please consider a crane. My back aches just watching the vid.
Amen brother.you have a lot of wisdom.I’m a welder always wanted to learn cnc.
Great advice. You get out what you put in.
Having a memory in mirror image isn't it's catalyst, guessing unstrung limits are only part of it , conquered unknowns is GOLD
I started at a new shop and man theres like only 10 people there and a good half of them come in grumpy most days and it sucks
I'm glad I'm retired. For me it was never the money, it was creating things never made before. Making the best products possible. Making a difference. If all you care about is making money then play the stock market...
Yes there is a difference between a thinker and a follower, the search goes on! Creativity is thinking up new things. Innovation is doing new things.
everyday is a learning day ... keep grinding...💪
I think your wrong it should be like 150.plus a year for that type of work
100%…I live by those words. And I say it almost everyday. You can have all the experience in the world, be the ‘best’ at whatever it is that you do…but if your attitude stinks then you’re just a thorn in everybody’s side at the company. Attitude and Effort. It has to be natural. A positive attitude will always enhance your effort. That’s what separates Us.
Tooling alone changes so much that if your not learning to use that NEW advantage then you will fall behind fast in the industry...
In big shops they don't want to change, like your talking. This small shop mentality. I love it though
So many shops out there just want one or two guys who know what they are doing that they can pay decent, but still lower end wages while they fill the shop with people they want to pay as little as possible. A lot of the older guys who really know their stuff, are retiring and there are not enough younger people willing to come into the trade at a replacement rate. The ones that do come in find it hard to move in these companies and really grow into very competent machinists. I can't blame them when they can go to Aldi and Walmart make as much as I see a lot of these companies hiring for. I've been a machinist for 15 years now, make 100k with OT, run a mill-turn department, and am a key voice with how things are run on the floor. If I didn't have to lose so much money to start over, I would apprentice to be an electrician or some other better paying trade. For how technical machining is, and how expensive machines are it's amazing that machining is one of the lowest paying trades.
yes!!! this! i come from a different manufacturing end area, but even today.. i got mad, and i was pissed, because at the end of my day i realized if the person who set up the machine spent less than 90 seconds actuality.. it would have saved me 10 minutes of cleanup time . that 10 minutes is making parts.. so i made the change for the next guy, but every little thing adds up. dont get me started on "my first response to a problem is slow the line down and leave it slow" guys...
I’m definitely not top level but have saved my company a lot of money and am paid fairly in my opinion! I’m always trying to learn new ideas too!
I had this problem with the first machine shop job I had. Knew how to run every machine and constantly trying to improve the run times along with the higher ups had me training people but only paying me $15/hr. Tried negotiating with them and never got anywhere. I was young and dumb thinking that they would eventually give a raise for my hard work. Yeah $.50/hr after 1.5 years. Decided to leave and start my own company and have heard that they are in a pretty rough patch right now and can’t get anyone hired. Gee, I wonder why?
Good word of advice titan!!👍🏼👍🏼
In my shop we only cut 1 thing
The threaded connections for drill pipe in the oilfield
I run a manual but I’ll see day shift arguing with night shift about adjusting the program
In this shop everything’s set up you just need to run the program, you’ll have a connection out in 1/2 an hour give or take
We had new guys show up and try to do it a different way or “this is how I do it”
One guy crashed the machine
Another guy would fuck with the program and spend all night on a single connection
12 hr shift
Those guys don’t last long
People that build up other people are increase moral among the workers are worth more than money can compensate them. If you can motivate a person and change their attitude from negative to positive and get them to be THEIR own driving force for a productivity increase that’s the type of person who is worth a lot of money.
Yes
Agree
simply said, you are 100% right sir, I have no doubt about. Great video.
If you’re a good machinist, buy a used machine and start working out of your garage. There’s plenty of one off work out there. I’m doing interesting work for a fair wage at a great company now, but I’d still make more working for myself. But I’m ready to retire soon and I just don’t have the hustle any more. What companies in Ky want to pay competent machinists is a joke, you’d make more $ with an old Prototrak and a manual lathe in a pole barn fixing tractor shafts and stuff. My friend who retired from Lockheed started a shop and he’s literally covered up in work. Once the word gets out you can get it done, you’ll be busy.
That's fine if..... You're not married, don't have a mortgage hanging over your head and have disposable income for at least a year.
What you've said applies to many things. Good stuff.
Where I work there is an old job that we make once in a while. After working on the first part with the old program and the old tool for this job I stopped running the machine and opened the program on the computer and after tinkering and editing for about 30 minutes with the program I ran it again and this time I shaved of 25 minutes off of the machining time. The floor manager was surprised that the job went so quickly then he was used to. One of the new programs stopped by for a chat and he was interested what i was doing and after running some ideas back and forth and sharing my thoughts what can be done to make this work more efficient he went back to his desk and started implementing those ideas for the next time a new order came in. At the end we managed to shave of an extra 20 minute of the work thanks to a new program and new tooling and better fixturing.