Im a Muslim but i find the Christians rejecting the lords prayer appalling. This is one of the most beautiful prayer ever. For Heavens sake how can any right thinking person reject the Lords Prayer??? That would be the biggest disaster for Christianity!!!!!
Thank you. Especially for saying this.... "This is one of the most beautiful prayer ever." It doesn't matter what name we know God by, or how we worship God, or if we disagree on the details, the fact is that God has to exist, and I don't think that God would mind us disagreeing on the small stuff, it's the big stuff that matters, there's no way that this whole universe just came into being without something behind it, we use words like "God" to describe that force, we use names to refer to that being or force, but regardless of the name, or title, it exists.
Hussain, I have heard that imams in some middle-eastern countries are preaching stuff that devout muslims have never heard before and are shocked. Please check
Could not agree more. Just a few hundred years ago, the Protestant reformation occurred because they saw the Catholic Church as corrupt. I hear the word 'Hypocrite' in my ears whenever I hear or see any news items regarding the Church of England. Arch Bishop Justin Wellby, seriously has to realise that by accommodating a minority by changing the nature of God to basically an A sexual being he is going against the very teaching of not only the Church, but the very root of Christianity that being the belief in the Trinity and that has two masculine identities as you yourself know. Anyway, God bless you. 🕊
@@davidmccann9811you know the bible has been edited, mistranslated and misinterpreted for thousands of years right?? A lot of the original words have been mistranslated over time, completely altering the meaning from the original text.
Well of course. That's the whole point. Anti-Christ ~ Anarchist. It's all symbolic coding within the esoteric circles that run these agendas ... and "all by design."
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 the problem with silent majority is that it exists but the moment it wants to stop being silent is the moment its labeled by global corporate medias as "suprematists", "far-right", "racists", "nazists", "fashists", "homophobic", "transphobic" or whatever of this collection of handy newspeak and as labeled citizens we can not be seen as MAJORITY who have the most rights in so called democracy as democracy is "the tyrrany of majoroty" but we are seen as some "vocal" but marginal groups of extremists. While the ultra extremists are the bosses of medias :)
The Lord's Prayer has been a constant throughout all of the church's reformations in history. Emma is correct. Calling the words of Christ problematic is calling Christ, the true head of the church, problematic.
Hands down this tops my list of the woke ridiculousness. The problem doesn't lie with the church's doctrine it lies with the rogue interpretation of misguided fools. If the Archbishop finds what the church believes problematic he needs to step aside and find employment in a profession he can get behind. Christianity is not his forte.
If one of the leaders of your church has a problem with the Lord's Prayer, you are not in a church. The only thing worse that a false shepherd, is someone who willingly follows them.
I donnt go to church and i have some news for all of you The chirch is and never was a building, a location or a thing. The church is in you and always was ,you are the church
I say the Lords Prayer every night, I refuse to have ‘Our Father’ woked and taken away. I was abused by my father, but the one enduring man in my life is God, he has seen me through my troubles.
Christ is the foundation of the Church of England. But has gone astray by not continuing the apostles teaching. Organised Christianity (including Catholics)have gone astray and have nothing on Gods economy. Do you know Gods economy?
@@SB-cy4hb Henry VIII was. The state run religion of England is for Enlighmen only, who think an earthly king is above Christ the King. You have chosen to follow the wrong king. Your choice. Christ said, 'follow me'. 'I know mine and mine know me'. At the journey's end, it will make all the difference.
@@golden.lights.twinkle2329 yes it was taught by Jesus. The disciples asked Jesus how to pray, and Jesus Christ taught them the lord's prayer. It's in the Gospels. Matthew Mark Luke and John.
You do. Aetheism is very much a religion, as it assumes infinite knowledge that there IS no infinite knowledge! Man or self is God. Aetheists are also very evangelical. And Aetheism takes a massive amount of faith to believe that in it. I personally will never have enough faith to be an aetheist. You are, in fact, extremely religious! Cheers.
@@kelrogers8480 ///Aetheism is very much a religion, as it assumes infinite knowledge that there IS no infinite knowledge!/// Rubbish. Atheism is not a belief, it is the absence of belief. No evidence is required to not believe in something. You want to think atheism is just another belief system, because it would make atheists as irrational as you. The problem is you have to lie to get there.
@@kelrogers8480 I agree that atheism is a religion, it's the belief that there is no God. However he didn't claim to be atheist. Agnosticism is admitting that you don't know.
@@trishkearney the fact anyone takes the church of england seriously is worrying, it was only made to facilitate a divorce and calm some of the protestants that were rising up, its a sham
The Lord's Prayer, the one Jesus taught us to pray, has stood the tests of 2,000 years and there is no reason at all to tinker about with it. I carry it in my mind and heart and find it a great comfort in these troubled times. I am sad to see the state the Church of England has got itself into. It needs to find again the strength and spiritual stature it once had.
Emma Webb! She penned such a fantastic article "Britain is no country for Christians" . Her observations and arguments are spot on. So thankful that she is a Christian that is not scared to tell the truth! Praying for you & be blessed!👍💥✝️
@@StimParavane All hail the Flying Spaghetti Monster! He boiled for your sins! Eat pasta, drink beer and get laid (consenting adults). Wot's not to like?
As a life-long Oxymoronic Juxtaposed Existentialist I find the absurdities of reality becoming much less absurd in the eye of the beholder, and shall thus prepare to once more partake of the Sacramental mushroom . . . probably whilst in Sacramento!
@@HopeIsFleeting Making scripture the ultimate authority is the reason there are so many churches. Personal interpretation of the Word of God was the sin of Adam and Eve. God Himself is the ultimate authority and there is only one Christian church, founded by Jesus Himself.... *THE* Church .... that remains faithful to that universal fact.
As a practically militant atheist, I think this is absolutely appalling in the *extreme*. It's disgusting and wrong and immoral and I am so behind the Christians. Like, for once.
Say what now ???!!! The lords prayer was the very first prayer i was taught and 54 yrs later i say it to this day ...the lord is my father in heaven ..i am his daughter ...i love that prayer it has so much depth and meaning to it and is ancient and true ...let evil do what evil does...I'll still say my lords prayers exactly as i know it ...god bless ❤
You are witnessing the war that we Christian go thru. People are animated by that spirit of rebellion. They breathe murder and destruction. They want to destroy what stand in their way. Namely God and the Christians. Who else get persecuted like us?? No one. Not a one religion in eaeth is getting their holy book attacked like this!
The Archbishop isnt in the right job, if he thinks The Lords Prayer is problematic. Send him an application form for Macdonalds. He could be "head burger flipper".
@@chriscurtain1816 Absolutely, and he (if that's not too strong a word) couldn't have that. The burger flipping Bishop of York would probably want the 'Happy Meal' banned too, as it isn't mood inclusive enough.
Emma Webb was absolutely spot on with her comments. Christ will certainly find this "Archbishop" problematic. The hubris is just beyond belief. It's the Archbishop who will have the problem when he will have to give an account.
The same Archbishop that asked for forgiveness for child abusers,what about the victims? he’s forgotten about the millstone necklaces in the Bible 🤦♂️
I will recite the Lord's Prayer this evening in exactly the same way as I've always done. The bible warns us that many will turn away from Christ in the end times, it seems the bishop is leading the way.
@@GavTatu I'm Riman Catholic. I went to am English school in Rosario, Argentina. On Fridays we prayed "Our Father, which art in Heaven, hallowed be Thy name"... Most ofvthevouoils eere Catholic, a few were of Anglican families and there were also some Jeweñs.
Canterbury is a heretic, no Anglican can now take him seriously. There has to be a break away for the Church of England because this goes deeper than Canterbury himself.
There has been. Anglicans have left and started AMiE, (Anglican Mission in England.) They are still part of the Anglican Communion but no longer part of the Church of England. The same has happened in every English speaking country by those faithful to biblical teaching on sex, marriage,gender, women's ordination etc. GAFCON churches are Anglican churches where you can find good solid biblical teaching still. The CofE is finished. They have gay "married" priests but say they must be celibate. Yeah right! As if. Of course they are blessing gay ppls civil marriages in the Church, how could they not when their own clergy are in gay relationships!!
Ive been saying for 40 years that these institutions are all infested with Communist radicals, and people just laughed at me. Called me the new Senator McCarthy and asked me if I'd checked for Reds under my bed lately. Well nobody's laughing now. They've all jumped on the same band-wagon.
The Church of England has been too careless about who it allows to become vicars, bishops etc. They have managed to turn God into an all forgiving comfort blanket who requires nothing at all of his followers. This is where the rot set in.
When I was ten years old, a local neighborhood evangelist gave me a red letter edition of the bible. He was careful to point out that what this edition could provide me was every recorded word (printed in red ink) that Christ was alleged to have spoken. So I took the thing home and I did just that. I read every red lettered word, time and again, until I had committed much to memory. Then and there, at the age of ten, I decided that Christ was a pretty cool guy. There and then, it became apparent to me that of course the foundational basis of Christianity was Christ himself. Which was why when around that time "x" for xmas showed up, I was not amused. The point being, of course the clowns are going to have a problem with Christ. He doesn't compromise. He doesn't back down. He doesn't buy their word salad. As followers well know. Which is why for many years now I've also suspected that what we refer to as Natural Law for many, is in fact the Lord's Law. It is not man-made. It has absolutely nothing to do with humans, other than the fact that it is not a bad idea to pay attention to it, adapt its principles as we figure them out (the basis of science) and carry on. We live in an era of human myopia and manic obsession with the idea that man plays god. As if this is his purpose. Man couldn't play his way out of a paper bag. Lacking respect for this Law was never a good idea. We don't get to choose. We have no power of control. Natural Law does not care about us. There is no grace, gentleness, forgiveness, compassion, empathy, kindness, humanity in it. These are all human things. But our laws do not run or guide the universe. Our laws do not spin galaxies, birth stars, orbit planets, paint that gorgeous mural across the heavens. Our laws cannot even so much as create the miracle of a single human baby's birth. We need to get over ourselves.
All of it is Christ's Word. And there's nothing inherently wrong with using the X in Xmas. It's the same as writing Christmas in English. It's just a way of writing Christ from the Greek alphabet, and its been a Christian symbol/word and Christians have used it for a long long time. It's a common misconception. Some may use it wrong and use it with a bad intention in their hearts but that's their problem and their error. Doesn't mean we're somehow doing something wrong to use it or must change it to accommodate some heathens error and sin.
When he was a bishop he refused to support a vicar over a ridiculous Mermaids trading which said people can change sex. The vicar (who did have a 1st class Biology degree from Oxford btw!) tried to disagree and was treated abominably by the trainer. I think he subsequently left the church. My heart sank when he was appointed Bishop of York.......
Merely reading your bible and believing is the cause of this problem, not the solution. Even 10 people reading the same scripture passage will all have different interpretations then draw different conclusions on what it means. That is why the original split away from the mainstream church happened and it why churches are splitting exponentially to this day. Division of God's people is the devil's work, not God's work. Best advice is to come back to Christ's own church and make Him the ultimate authority, not scripture. Read scripture to know Him better and love Him and obey Him 🙏
This is shocking. These kinds of individuals should not be in positions of office within the church, they are a complete disgrace. I got tolerance and forgiveness but there is a line for tolerance in particular
To God be the Glory, His words are Holy, He is same before, today, tomorrow and forever. Heaven and earth shall pass but the Word of the Lord God the Father shall remain forever. Those who tamper with the Word of the Lord shall face His judgement. Please brothers and sisters do not reason God's Holy Words with the unjust, for it is written; "without the remittance of blood there is no understanding".
My heart is heavy for our Heavenly Father😔😔😔...at my church,they are talking about Mother God,climate change...even put pride flag...this does not feel right with me...time to leave..😔😔😔
This is the prayer the Lord God of Heaven gave us. HE is Lord of all. We all need to stand up for Christianity and do away with woke. Imagine The Muslims reaction to calling Allah She !?!
Its not BAME ppl that pushed this though. 99% of this comes from white Brits. We would be better off if this country were far more BAME influenced..far more Afro-Caribbean folk are Christians in proportion to numbers
As a Buddhist. I feel beliefs are being hijacked and insulted by this trend, but believe the truth is and always will prove to be unassailable. May your God go with in in Peaceful loving kindness.
I am with Emma totally. I have been a CofE christian all my life and am in utter despair at the way the church is going. I was in tears the first time they insisted in my church that we recite the new woke version of the Lords Prayer. More and more churches are going this way and there is nowhere for traditional christians to go anymore. I go less and less because I now feel uncomfortable and discriminated against in church. So much for the CofE being inclusive. Not for the likes of me.
@@seansmith445 I used to enjoy the fellow feeling and community of a church. I actually think a lot of others feel the same but it is the vicars who don't, or are doing the bidding of the woke Bishop of the diocese. I don't actually attend my local church because it is even worse than the one I do attend. To me a church is a family of like souls and I do not like being solitary but this is what I am being driven to.
@@Goldenlion148 I totally know what you mean. But you must stay away from the woke Vicars and Bishops. They are the deceivers and false prophets. (you must know what times we are in) I wish you well in finding a church and a fellowship.
We have to speak out against this. Other members might also protest in silence, but won’t dare to speak either. Speaking out can give others courage. These atheists and apostates don’t belong in the church. The church precedes them by at least 2000 years. They should be the ones leaving.
I love the Lords Prayer. I was brought up Christian, I'm not so much now but this prayer has brought me much comfort over decades. Please leave it alone woke clerics.
It sounds like maybe you'd like to be Christian again? But probably not Church of England haha. So check out the mainstream church that goes directly back to Christ....the Catholic Church :)
That's why He is our Celestial Father!! Because He is not like a human father!! He is the father we can go to when those kind of things happen (abusive father, etc), we can find refuge and healing in Him!!!
I agree with her 100% , how dare the archbishops of york contest the lords prayer .absolute disgrace .some parts of the church of England are buckling under the woke pressure. The lords prayers are words straight from christs mouth 🙏
They can say what they like, but those of us who have surrendered their lives to Jesus will totally ignore this. He is obviously an enemy of Christ. He needs to rightly fear God.
The archbishop of York is a prat. I'm a bloke, not overly religious though I have said that prayer all my life and will not be told by anyone what I can and can't say in my prayers. Whatever other peoples gender, identity etc I totally respect but I also expect my own to be respected as well.
God's gender is unknown / irrelevant. So as is the convention in English grammar everything in these situations defaults to male. The Archbishop should remember that before having a pop at Christ and the words / message / prayer he himself gave us.
All language could be deemed problematic to someone . Let’s just cancel all spoken and written words lest one person be offended . When will this insanity stop?
If anyone has a problem with the image of fatherhood in the Lord's prayer then they need to look inside themselves and fix those issues instead of expecting an entire religion to change to bend to a few offended people's sensibilities.
Oh dear God, the Archbishop needs to loose his job. This is absolutely insane, I for one will be saying the lord's prayer the way we have been saying it for ever.
People haven't stopped going to church! They just boycott anything that is woke. The catholic church is not woke and never will be. People are converting like crazy and it is glorious!
Thats really not the reason..materialism and secularism and ppl thinking they are cleverer than God. There are lots of Bible believing conservative Evangelical churches that people can go to
Frankly I gave up on CoE 55 years ago when a vicar excluded my RC friend from the only youth club in our village and told them to travel 7 miles to go to the RC club Well I took the advice and my parents drove us there and back twice a week Said vicar hounded my family to attempt to get me back to the church at 13 I called him out and many other church members also left I attempt to follow Christ's teachings l will continue to do so and suggest the Archbishop tries refreshing his memory and read his New Testament
The Archbishop of York said: “I know the word ‘father’ is problematic for those whose experience of earthly fathers has been destructive and abusive, and for all of us who have labored rather too much from an oppressively patriarchal grip on life. We remain stubbornly unreconciled, appear complacent about division, and often also appear all too ready to divide again […] We have gotten used to disunity. We think it’s normal when in fact, it is a disgrace, an affront to Christ and all he came to give us." I would put forward that the Archbishop is the affront to Christ.
Matthew 6:9-13 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: for thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
@@michaelbrunsdon8938 No, I said if we didn't sin then the sacrifice would be pointless as he'd be paying for nothing. It's just a stupid old nonsense story anyway, makes bugger-all sense.
I struggle terribly with the hypocrisy towards Christianity. How can it be that the very prayers people hold dear, must be changed to appease the offence of other, non believers, while we must show constant, absolute acceptance at every turn, never being allowed to stand up for or defend what matters to us. Which, by the way, is for peace, freedom, honour, value, service, kindness, patience, amongst others. Anyone paying attention should read Revelation in the Bible and see OUR FATHER'S words coming to pass.
@@sandersson2813 yes I believe Gods Holy word, it has transformed me, bringing me out of the darkest depression, something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. Peace be with you
@@carolinewhite6010 Ha ha. This is a god who sanctions slavery, treats women as second class citizens, calls for unruly children, adulterers, gay people and those who work on the Sabbath to be stoned to death, who says a rape victim MUST marry her rapist, who condones genocide, demands human sacrifice, revels in torture and suffering and who thinks infinite punishment for not believing in it is just? How can you worship such a monster?
Heaven is complete unbothered by this. They have the beatific vision.....they are in the presence of God and so they cannot feel anything but overflowing joy. And they love us....even the Archbishop!
its a god, it created the universe with but a thought, humans are less than subatomic particles compared..... do you really think it would care what happens on this tiny mote of dust floating in space ?
@@kyrman6038 I know athiests who burn bibles mock god on live TV attack preachers burn churches etc. Oh you mean these too? You sn athiest but thats not hard tobtell is it.
we all sin, each and every one of us. Only Christ was righteous. Therefore only He is qualified to forgive us of our sins. Only Christ defeated death to come back as the life giving Spirit.
I'm an atheist, and I'm amazed that the leading members of of the church hierarchy are also atheists. I had no idea that it could be a career option fur non believers
Church of England is a political party and pretty much always has been. It broke away from the real church so that the King could be in charge of it rather than God.
If the Archbishops of York and Canterbury believe Christianity to be problematic then it is time they vacated their positions in favour of someone who doesn't and sought some more suitably 'woke' employment elsewhere..
Went to Sunday service at York Minster the other day, never have I been to any service where staff kept you standing while hymns were sung, then urged you to leave as soon as possible afterwards! Christianity is on a ventilator, with little hope of surviving before rapture happens!
Us Catholics believe in "transubstantiation" at the Last Supper Jesus said, "this is my body, this any blood, take if if and eat". Jesus Christ is present in every tabernacle in every Catholic Church but this Archbishop needs to hang up his mitre and leave, how dare he question Jesus Christ.
Im a Muslim but i find the Christians rejecting the lords prayer appalling. This is one of the most beautiful prayer ever. For Heavens sake how can any right thinking person reject the Lords Prayer??? That would be the biggest disaster for Christianity!!!!!
Because the lord doesn't exist?
It just goes to show how lost the Church of England are.
Thank you.
Especially for saying this.... "This is one of the most beautiful prayer ever."
It doesn't matter what name we know God by, or how we worship God, or if we disagree on the details, the fact is that God has to exist, and I don't think that God would mind us disagreeing on the small stuff, it's the big stuff that matters, there's no way that this whole universe just came into being without something behind it, we use words like "God" to describe that force, we use names to refer to that being or force, but regardless of the name, or title, it exists.
Thanks, Hussain.
Hussain, I have heard that imams in some middle-eastern countries are preaching stuff that devout muslims have never heard before and are shocked. Please check
I’m a Catholic, I am appalled that a so called man of God could say this about the Lord’s Prayer
I am CofE and this idiot is someone at the top of it 😢
Could not agree more. Just a few hundred years ago, the Protestant reformation occurred because they saw the Catholic Church as corrupt. I hear the word 'Hypocrite' in my ears whenever I hear or see any news items regarding the Church of England. Arch Bishop Justin Wellby, seriously has to realise that by accommodating a minority by changing the nature of God to basically an A sexual being he is going against the very teaching of not only the Church, but the very root of Christianity that being the belief in the Trinity and that has two masculine identities as you yourself know. Anyway, God bless you. 🕊
He's clearly not a man of God. He's in the other camp.
Spoiler: They're NOT men of God ... or even GOOD men. The Church clergy are renown for their depravity.
We're living in clown world 🙄
The Bible calls this the spirit of Anti Christ.
@@G_P2023
Try one in a language you can read. Hope that helps.
@@davidmccann9811you know the bible has been edited, mistranslated and misinterpreted for thousands of years right?? A lot of the original words have been mistranslated over time, completely altering the meaning from the original text.
Several books were left out of the Bible because they did not fit 'the narrative'.
Well of course. That's the whole point. Anti-Christ ~ Anarchist. It's all symbolic coding within the esoteric circles that run these agendas ... and "all by design."
@@EKF-jo5kz
And it's also more recently been translated from the original language by some very expert scholars.
The Archbishop should resign immediately. He is a disgrace.
Resign?….needs to be tossed out on his arse
I agree ; he must resign. Men like him are a shame to the Christian faith.
I am not religious but this nonsense has to stop. Way beyond a joke now. The 'silent' majority need to wake up.
I have heard that term silent majority all my life. There is no silent majority. It doesn't exist.
Who is the 'silent majority' idk who exactly you are talking about 🤷
@@smallhelmonabigship3524 the problem with silent majority is that it exists but the moment it wants to stop being silent is the moment its labeled by global corporate medias as "suprematists", "far-right", "racists", "nazists", "fashists", "homophobic", "transphobic" or whatever of this collection of handy newspeak and as labeled citizens we can not be seen as MAJORITY who have the most rights in so called democracy as democracy is "the tyrrany of majoroty" but we are seen as some "vocal" but marginal groups of extremists. While the ultra extremists are the bosses of medias :)
@@smallhelmonabigship3524it’s called silent for a reason man
The Lord's Prayer has been a constant throughout all of the church's reformations in history. Emma is correct. Calling the words of Christ problematic is calling Christ, the true head of the church, problematic.
Well, Jesus is problematic to the "world" - that is why (one of the reasons) why we love him so much :D
Hands down this tops my list of the woke ridiculousness. The problem doesn't lie with the church's doctrine it lies with the rogue interpretation of misguided fools. If the Archbishop finds what the church believes problematic he needs to step aside and find employment in a profession he can get behind. Christianity is not his forte.
Not the forte of many christians
We warned 2000 years ago about wolves among sheep. The Archbishop fits the bill.
@@nancycrayton2738 It's the sheep you should be worried about
Exactly
Maybe he should go and work for the BBC.
If one of the leaders of your church has a problem with the Lord's Prayer, you are not in a church.
The only thing worse that a false shepherd, is someone who willingly follows them.
A Wolf in Sheeps Clothing is the Shepherds enemy
You are in a coven instead
I donnt go to church and i have some news for all of you
The chirch is and never was a building, a location or a thing.
The church is in you and always was ,you are the church
@@MajesticArtimus she may be wise then. People going to church for the wrong reasons .
Well said my friend!
I say the Lords Prayer every night, I refuse to have ‘Our Father’ woked and taken away. I was abused by my father, but the one enduring man in my life is God, he has seen me through my troubles.
So your fictitious 'god' didn't protext from your own father? An ignorant or impotent god is not a god at all..
Praise God
💛
*"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves"* Matthew 7:15
The Lords prayer given to us by Jesus is the foundation of Christianity. The Archbishop should step down. Evil is evil.
Christ Himself is the foundation of Christianity.
@@SB-cy4hbHenry VIII is the foundation of the C of E.
Christ is the foundation of the Church of England. But has gone astray by not continuing the apostles teaching. Organised Christianity (including Catholics)have gone astray
and have nothing on Gods economy. Do you know Gods economy?
@@SB-cy4hb Henry VIII was. The state run religion of England is for Enlighmen only, who think an earthly king is above Christ the King. You have chosen to follow the wrong king. Your choice. Christ said, 'follow me'. 'I know mine and mine know me'. At the journey's end, it will make all the difference.
@@golden.lights.twinkle2329 yes it was taught by Jesus. The disciples asked Jesus how to pray, and Jesus Christ taught them the lord's prayer. It's in the Gospels. Matthew Mark Luke and John.
I have no religion. However how is this man the second most important person in the Church Of England, if he thinks the Lords Prayer is problem?
He's not.
He's a pagan 🐀 whose chosen GREED over faith.
He's no man of GOD
You do. Aetheism is very much a religion, as it assumes infinite knowledge that there IS no infinite knowledge! Man or self is God. Aetheists are also very evangelical. And Aetheism takes a massive amount of faith to believe that in it. I personally will never have enough faith to be an aetheist. You are, in fact, extremely religious! Cheers.
They should give up the religion altogether. Its a man-made story designed to control the masses for the benefit of a specific group
@@kelrogers8480 ///Aetheism is very much a religion, as it assumes infinite knowledge that there IS no infinite knowledge!///
Rubbish. Atheism is not a belief, it is the absence of belief. No evidence is required to not believe in something. You want to think atheism is just another belief system, because it would make atheists as irrational as you. The problem is you have to lie to get there.
@@kelrogers8480 I agree that atheism is a religion, it's the belief that there is no God. However he didn't claim to be atheist. Agnosticism is admitting that you don't know.
I agree with this lady, the archbishop should go. This is blasphemy.
The Archbishop isn't an Archbishop. Henry VIII wasn't God.
@@trishkearney the fact anyone takes the church of england seriously is worrying, it was only made to facilitate a divorce and calm some of the protestants that were rising up, its a sham
Technically and biblically it’s not blasphemy but it is heresy.
@Cernunnos-2024 It is clear you are not a person of learning. Henry VIII is good enough for you.
blasphemy is a victimless crime.
The Lord's Prayer, the one Jesus taught us to pray, has stood the tests of 2,000 years and there is no reason at all to tinker about with it.
I carry it in my mind and heart and find it a great comfort in these troubled times. I am sad to see the state the Church of England has got itself into. It needs to find again the strength and spiritual stature it once had.
Emma Webb! She penned such a fantastic article "Britain is no country for Christians" . Her observations and arguments are spot on. So thankful that she is a Christian that is not scared to tell the truth! Praying for you & be blessed!👍💥✝️
As a long-time Buddhist even I can see that the Archbishop is completely wrong on this. Astonishing.
As a long-time Pastafarian, I agree with you.
@@raypurchase801 Jah Pastafari?
@@StimParavane All hail the Flying Spaghetti Monster!
He boiled for your sins!
Eat pasta, drink beer and get laid (consenting adults).
Wot's not to like?
As a life-long Oxymoronic Juxtaposed Existentialist I find the absurdities of reality becoming much less absurd in the eye of the beholder, and shall thus prepare to once more partake of the Sacramental mushroom . . . probably whilst in Sacramento!
@@sirbarnabyst.johntoffingto9017 not even good trolling. Do better...
The archbishop needs to get another job, preferably away from the church.
I agree 100% that if anyone within the church thinks the word of God and the written word in the bible is wrong then they must go.
They have. That's why there are so many different churches 🤣
Written by men, for mass control.
You actually think the bible has anything to do with any god and isn't just an immoral, man made load of shit?
@@HopeIsFleeting Making scripture the ultimate authority is the reason there are so many churches. Personal interpretation of the Word of God was the sin of Adam and Eve.
God Himself is the ultimate authority and there is only one Christian church, founded by Jesus Himself.... *THE* Church .... that remains faithful to that universal fact.
Run from them!!!
As a practically militant atheist, I think this is absolutely appalling in the *extreme*. It's disgusting and wrong and immoral and I am so behind the Christians. Like, for once.
Say what now ???!!! The lords prayer was the very first prayer i was taught and 54 yrs later i say it to this day ...the lord is my father in heaven ..i am his daughter ...i love that prayer it has so much depth and meaning to it and is ancient and true ...let evil do what evil does...I'll still say my lords prayers exactly as i know it ...god bless ❤
Christ has never been the problem. Human frailties are the problem.
I’m not a Christian but this craziness seems to have no end.
It's simply what you get with the dark ideology of "humanism".
Totally agree!
Welcome to the last days, it says in the Bible that this would happen. It's prophecied.
You're not a 'Christian'? I'm guessing you're an 'Edge' then 🤣
You are witnessing the war that we Christian go thru. People are animated by that spirit of rebellion. They breathe murder and destruction. They want to destroy what stand in their way. Namely God and the Christians. Who else get persecuted like us??
No one. Not a one religion in eaeth is getting their holy book attacked like this!
The Archbishop isnt in the right job, if he thinks The Lords Prayer is problematic.
Send him an application form for Macdonalds.
He could be "head burger flipper".
Vegan burger ?
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He needs to give his Hassocks a wobble.
The guy would probably find the name 'Big Mac' "problematic" because it sounds a bit sizest.
@@davidmccann9811 Definitely. Mac means 'son of'.
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Absolutely, and he (if that's not too strong a word) couldn't have that. The burger flipping Bishop of York would probably want the 'Happy Meal' banned too, as it isn't mood inclusive enough.
If the Archbishop of York has a ounce of integrity he would step down and retire.
Emma is spot on here with her analysis. The bishop needs to resign.
The Lords Prayer already has everything it needs in it!
The C of E has lost its way .
And it's congregations
It's like they themselves are purposefully trying to do away with it. Very odd...
And the Catholics aren't far behind..
They're desperate to make the CofE so "all inclusive" that they stand for nothing anymore.
decades ago
The Bishop of York should quit the church and get a job at Bud Light or Coutts.
Emma Webb was absolutely spot on with her comments. Christ will certainly find this "Archbishop" problematic. The hubris is just beyond belief. It's the Archbishop who will have the problem when he will have to give an account.
Oh dear !
The same Archbishop that asked for forgiveness for child abusers,what about the victims? he’s forgotten about the millstone necklaces in the Bible 🤦♂️
Seriously? That ‘archbishop’ asked for forgiveness for child abusers specifically? Welby has a great deal to answer for!
I will recite the Lord's Prayer this evening in exactly the same way as I've always done. The bible warns us that many will turn away from Christ in the end times, it seems the bishop is leading the way.
Why the hell would you believe that obvious crap?
no one is forcing you to do otherwise, are they ?
@@GavTatu I'm Riman Catholic. I went to am English school in Rosario, Argentina. On Fridays we prayed "Our Father, which art in Heaven, hallowed be Thy name"... Most ofvthevouoils eere Catholic, a few were of Anglican families and there were also some Jeweñs.
Canterbury is a heretic, no Anglican can now take him seriously. There has to be a break away for the Church of England because this goes deeper than Canterbury himself.
There has been. Anglicans have left and started AMiE, (Anglican Mission in England.) They are still part of the Anglican Communion but no longer part of the Church of England. The same has happened in every English speaking country by those faithful to biblical teaching on sex, marriage,gender, women's ordination etc. GAFCON churches are Anglican churches where you can find good solid biblical teaching still.
The CofE is finished. They have gay "married" priests but say they must be celibate. Yeah right! As if. Of course they are blessing gay ppls civil marriages in the Church, how could they not when their own clergy are in gay relationships!!
I would rather they kick out Welby and replace him with a decent man of God.
Splitters!
@@rb1062 you would need to kick out more than him.
COE FAKE CHURCH PROMOTING LGBT STUFF TF
It’s an arms race between institutions as to who can look the most completely barking mad and irrelevant. 🤪🤪
Ive been saying for 40 years that these institutions are all infested with Communist radicals, and people just laughed at me. Called me the new Senator McCarthy and asked me if I'd checked for Reds under my bed lately.
Well nobody's laughing now. They've all jumped on the same band-wagon.
All planned,all designed and all being put into effect as we speak.
If the aim is to dismantle a country from within, this is what happens when enough of its core institutions have been 'infiltrated'.
The Church of England has been too careless about who it allows to become vicars, bishops etc. They have managed to turn God into an all forgiving comfort blanket who requires nothing at all of his followers. This is where the rot set in.
When I was ten years old, a local neighborhood evangelist gave me a red letter edition of the bible. He was careful to point out that what this edition could provide me was every recorded word (printed in red ink) that Christ was alleged to have spoken.
So I took the thing home and I did just that. I read every red lettered word, time and again, until I had committed much to memory.
Then and there, at the age of ten, I decided that Christ was a pretty cool guy. There and then, it became apparent to me that of course the foundational basis of Christianity was Christ himself.
Which was why when around that time "x" for xmas showed up, I was not amused.
The point being, of course the clowns are going to have a problem with Christ. He doesn't compromise. He doesn't back down. He doesn't buy their word salad. As followers well know.
Which is why for many years now I've also suspected that what we refer to as Natural Law for many, is in fact the Lord's Law. It is not man-made. It has absolutely nothing to do with humans, other than the fact that it is not a bad idea to pay attention to it, adapt its principles as we figure them out (the basis of science) and carry on.
We live in an era of human myopia and manic obsession with the idea that man plays god. As if this is his purpose.
Man couldn't play his way out of a paper bag.
Lacking respect for this Law was never a good idea. We don't get to choose. We have no power of control. Natural Law does not care about us. There is no grace, gentleness, forgiveness, compassion, empathy, kindness, humanity in it. These are all human things. But our laws do not run or guide the universe. Our laws do not spin galaxies, birth stars, orbit planets, paint that gorgeous mural across the heavens. Our laws cannot even so much as create the miracle of a single human baby's birth.
We need to get over ourselves.
All of it is Christ's Word.
And there's nothing inherently wrong with using the X in Xmas. It's the same as writing Christmas in English. It's just a way of writing Christ from the Greek alphabet, and its been a Christian symbol/word and Christians have used it for a long long time. It's a common misconception. Some may use it wrong and use it with a bad intention in their hearts but that's their problem and their error. Doesn't mean we're somehow doing something wrong to use it or must change it to accommodate some heathens error and sin.
When he was a bishop he refused to support a vicar over a ridiculous Mermaids trading which said people can change sex. The vicar (who did have a 1st class Biology degree from Oxford btw!) tried to disagree and was treated abominably by the trainer. I think he subsequently left the church. My heart sank when he was appointed Bishop of York.......
People can and do change sex...and its even natural. They're called "Guevedoces" Look it up.
GOD BLESS !!!
Read your Bible & Believe in Him
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Merely reading your bible and believing is the cause of this problem, not the solution. Even 10 people reading the same scripture passage will all have different interpretations then draw different conclusions on what it means. That is why the original split away from the mainstream church happened and it why churches are splitting exponentially to this day.
Division of God's people is the devil's work, not God's work. Best advice is to come back to Christ's own church and make Him the ultimate authority, not scripture. Read scripture to know Him better and love Him and obey Him 🙏
Reading the bible is what freed me from believing in him I refuse to follow any being that cruel and incompetent.
Respect to this young lady, spot on views on this issue 👏🏿👏👏🏻👏🏽👏🏻👏🏿👏🙏
This is shocking. These kinds of individuals should not be in positions of office within the church, they are a complete disgrace. I got tolerance and forgiveness but there is a line for tolerance in particular
To God be the Glory, His words are Holy, He is same before, today, tomorrow and forever. Heaven and earth shall pass but the Word of the Lord God the Father shall remain forever. Those who tamper with the Word of the Lord shall face His judgement. Please brothers and sisters do not reason God's Holy Words with the unjust, for it is written; "without the remittance of blood there is no understanding".
God bless you.
It Its good enough for Lord Jesus then it's good enough for me.
Jesus spoke Aramaic, yet the original gospel is in Greek, King James is in English - How do we know what was really said?
Are you going to start wearing a robe walking around in public preaching about the apocalypse too?
Calvin should be the Archbishop of Canterbury.
No.
Calvin is a closet gay who outwardly shows his hatred of gays
He wouldn't be able to wear the mitre without a haircut!
Absolutely!
He can't, he's not bent.
Interpret that however you like.
That is how Jesus himself said we should pray. The Archidiot can take a flying leap to Sheol.
People have no idea of the terrifying severity of God’s righteous and Holy judgement that is coming. There will be NO debate at any time.
My heart is heavy for our Heavenly Father😔😔😔...at my church,they are talking about Mother God,climate change...even put pride flag...this does not feel right with me...time to leave..😔😔😔
Yes, get out quick before the church goes up in smoke like the ones in France.
The C of E have gone mad 😡
The C of E has been in heresy since 1559.
Yeah a wife murderer made the church. Yet liberals prefer it over catholic. Now think why !
This is the prayer the Lord God of Heaven gave us. HE is Lord of all.
We all need to stand up for Christianity and do away with woke. Imagine The Muslims reaction to calling Allah She !?!
We seem to be busy dismantling every aspect of our culture, while others jump up and down with glee!
The plan
All part of the Soro.s Wef agenda.
Its not BAME ppl that pushed this though. 99% of this comes from white Brits. We would be better off if this country were far more BAME influenced..far more Afro-Caribbean folk are Christians in proportion to numbers
As a Buddhist. I feel beliefs are being hijacked and insulted by this trend, but believe the truth is and always will prove to be unassailable. May your God go with in in Peaceful loving kindness.
You've reached nirvana?
Attack from within the church should be checked and stopped.
Well it’s sickening, the Lord’s Prayer should remain as is.
you mean translated into english ?
The Archbishop of York is the problem.
Nah, the problem is the holey bile
He's not alone or he would not dare to say that.
Justin Wokey is even worse.
@@trevornunn3285 Who hurt you?
It seems that York has always had problems with its Archbishops!
I am with Emma totally. I have been a CofE christian all my life and am in utter despair at the way the church is going. I was in tears the first time they insisted in my church that we recite the new woke version of the Lords Prayer. More and more churches are going this way and there is nowhere for traditional christians to go anymore. I go less and less because I now feel uncomfortable and discriminated against in church. So much for the CofE being inclusive. Not for the likes of me.
Despair..really? Just go and find another church. In fact you don't even need to go to a physical church at all. All you need is the bible.
What, they actually have a new woke version and ask the congregation to say it? That's crazy.
@@seansmith445 I used to enjoy the fellow feeling and community of a church. I actually think a lot of others feel the same but it is the vicars who don't, or are doing the bidding of the woke Bishop of the diocese. I don't actually attend my local church because it is even worse than the one I do attend. To me a church is a family of like souls and I do not like being solitary but this is what I am being driven to.
@@Goldenlion148 I totally know what you mean. But you must stay away from the woke Vicars and Bishops. They are the deceivers and false prophets. (you must know what times we are in) I wish you well in finding a church and a fellowship.
We have to speak out against this. Other members might also protest in silence, but won’t dare to speak either. Speaking out can give others courage. These atheists and apostates don’t belong in the church. The church precedes them by at least 2000 years. They should be the ones leaving.
I love the Lords Prayer. I was brought up Christian, I'm not so much now but this prayer has brought me much comfort over decades. Please leave it alone woke clerics.
It sounds like maybe you'd like to be Christian again? But probably not Church of England haha. So check out the mainstream church that goes directly back to Christ....the Catholic Church :)
He Loves you and is still waiting for you
That's why He is our Celestial Father!! Because He is not like a human father!! He is the father we can go to when those kind of things happen (abusive father, etc), we can find refuge and healing in Him!!!
Except he never gives anyone refuge does he? He just sits and watches the abuse and does nothing to stop it.
I agree with her 100% , how dare the archbishops of york contest the lords prayer .absolute disgrace .some parts of the church of England are buckling under the woke pressure. The lords prayers are words straight from christs mouth 🙏
Anti religion will be the absolute downfall of this country
It will be the downfall of the world. "In the last days there will be a falling away from the truth"
less than 50% of the UK is now Christian so yeah its already happening
If you look at any society evidently it’s the exact opposite.
The more authority religion is given the worse things are for everyone.
The archbishop of York is a disgrace, we are truly in the end times
They can say what they like, but those of us who have surrendered their lives to Jesus will totally ignore this. He is obviously an enemy of Christ. He needs to rightly fear God.
The archbishop of York is a prat. I'm a bloke, not overly religious though I have said that prayer all my life and will not be told by anyone what I can and can't say in my prayers. Whatever other peoples gender, identity etc I totally respect but I also expect my own to be respected as well.
The Lord’s Prayer is named that for a reason! I think we should all recite it more frequently.
Its named that by the people who thought up the bible. Its a pile of man-made dung
It teaches you good old English grammar 😂😂😂 .
WHY????????
What good has that EVER done???????????????
God's gender is unknown / irrelevant. So as is the convention in English grammar everything in these situations defaults to male. The Archbishop should remember that before having a pop at Christ and the words / message / prayer he himself gave us.
Christ is a Roman myth
The honourable thing to do would be resign.
All language could be deemed problematic to someone . Let’s just cancel all spoken and written words lest one person be offended . When will this insanity stop?
If anyone has a problem with the image of fatherhood in the Lord's prayer then they need to look inside themselves and fix those issues instead of expecting an entire religion to change to bend to a few offended people's sensibilities.
Absolutely spot on Emma Webb. Total voice of common sense in an illogical world.
Oh dear God, the Archbishop needs to loose his job. This is absolutely insane, I for one will be saying the lord's prayer the way we have been saying it for ever.
Lose his job.
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Thank you for picking me up
You sound like the sort of person that hasn't actually read the holey bile from cover 2 cover, old and new
@@trevornunn3285 a wee bit judgemental there , not very Christian like....
Welby needs to go first or at the same time.
No wonder people have stopped going to church with this nonsense going on
People haven't stopped going to church! They just boycott anything that is woke. The catholic church is not woke and never will be. People are converting like crazy and it is glorious!
Thats really not the reason..materialism and secularism and ppl thinking they are cleverer than God. There are lots of Bible believing conservative Evangelical churches that people can go to
I think it might have more to do with the thousands of children who were s.xually abused.
No, the Lord's prayer is a fundamental connection that Christians have with God. I cannot believe this, it's outrageous.
Emma Webb - 100% right!
We are definitely in the last days
Frankly I gave up on CoE 55 years ago when a vicar excluded my RC friend from the only youth club in our village and told them to travel 7 miles to go to the RC club Well I took the advice and my parents drove us there and back twice a week Said vicar hounded my family to attempt to get me back to the church at 13 I called him out and many other church members also left I attempt to follow Christ's teachings l will continue to do so and suggest the Archbishop tries refreshing his memory and read his New Testament
The Archbishop of York said: “I know the word ‘father’ is problematic for those whose experience of earthly fathers has been destructive and abusive, and for all of us who have labored rather too much from an oppressively patriarchal grip on life. We remain stubbornly unreconciled, appear complacent about division, and often also appear all too ready to divide again […] We have gotten used to disunity. We think it’s normal when in fact, it is a disgrace, an affront to Christ and all he came to give us."
I would put forward that the Archbishop is the affront to Christ.
Leave the prayer alone and allow the people who practice their religion to choose for themselves.
Yes, she's totally right and the Archbishop of York should go and work for some local charity who requires such thinking.
Matthew 6:9-13 After this manner therefore pray ye:
Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: for thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever.
Amen.
The Lords Prayer is sacred to me! Leave it alone. 🇦🇺
It is the woke wolves in sheep's clothing that is "problematic" !
@@AwakenedAvocado The woke have degenerated from a random bunch of isolated degenerates into a viciously intolerant, highly toxic and violent cult.
Sin is problematic. To humans at least, not to God...he already sorted it on our behalf.
@@michaelbrunsdon8938 But that's problematic too. If we don't sin as much as we can it makes god's sacrifice worthless, so it's not a disincentive.
@@rozzgrey801 Why do you think it makes the sacrifice of Christ worthless?
@@michaelbrunsdon8938 No, I said if we didn't sin then the sacrifice would be pointless as he'd be paying for nothing. It's just a stupid old nonsense story anyway, makes bugger-all sense.
I struggle terribly with the hypocrisy towards Christianity. How can it be that the very prayers people hold dear, must be changed to appease the offence of other, non believers, while we must show constant, absolute acceptance at every turn, never being allowed to stand up for or defend what matters to us. Which, by the way, is for peace, freedom, honour, value, service, kindness, patience, amongst others. Anyone paying attention should read Revelation in the Bible and see OUR FATHER'S words coming to pass.
The Bible isn't true, so who cares if the words to something as worthless as a prayer are changed? Not as if there's a god to hear it.
My people will not be offended we are told in scripture, so those who are offended are clearly not Gods people.
@@carolinewhite6010 Do you believe the Bible 100%?
@@sandersson2813 yes I believe Gods Holy word, it has transformed me, bringing me out of the darkest depression, something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.
Peace be with you
@@carolinewhite6010 Ha ha.
This is a god who sanctions slavery, treats women as second class citizens, calls for unruly children, adulterers, gay people and those who work on the Sabbath to be stoned to death, who says a rape victim MUST marry her rapist, who condones genocide, demands human sacrifice, revels in torture and suffering and who thinks infinite punishment for not believing in it is just?
How can you worship such a monster?
Smallest verse in Bible: Jesus wept.
All of Heaven must be sobbing...
Or fuming...
Heaven is complete unbothered by this. They have the beatific vision.....they are in the presence of God and so they cannot feel anything but overflowing joy. And they love us....even the Archbishop!
its a god, it created the universe with but a thought, humans are less than subatomic particles compared..... do you really think it would care what happens on this tiny mote of dust floating in space ?
"the depth of rot ... blasphemy, heresy ... theologically deviant" = all spot on
The church have no faith to not believe in Christ they must believe in the Devil
Well only Christians do. Don’t you?
I'm not a Christian but this is appalling
He’s not a Christian…he’s a deceiver!
Brothel keeper
The guy on the right needs to keep his mouth shut.
This is why I left the Church of England and became a particular baptist.
What a sensible young lady.
What did Paul say about those in the church who refuse correction? Remove them from the body.
Which Paul? The Gnostic one that the Christian church attempted to downplay?
@@jaySean11111-kris. yep
As an atheist, even I can see how wrong this is. Love listening to Calvin - he’s brilliant 😊
I know atheists who are more respectful of God than these ''modern Christians''.
@@kyrman6038 what by believing he is made up while we sin like godless pieces of poo. To put it lightly
@@kyrman6038 I know athiests who burn bibles mock god on live TV attack preachers burn churches etc. Oh you mean these too? You sn athiest but thats not hard tobtell is it.
@@kyrman6038 so we apes? Or you full blown athiest meaning you dont know at all why we here?
we all sin, each and every one of us. Only Christ was righteous. Therefore only He is qualified to forgive us of our sins. Only Christ defeated death to come back as the life giving Spirit.
The Archbishop should be IMMEDIATELY EX-COMMUNICATED !! He has a problem with how CHRIST taught us to pray ?
Those persons advocating woke ideologies and claim to be christian are not Christians and are not loyal to The Lord and his Father Almighty God.
I'm an atheist, and I'm amazed that the leading members of of the church hierarchy are also atheists. I had no idea that it could be a career option fur non believers
Never forget Judas. Jesus warned us, so it's no surprise.
Im not surprised, tons of priests/pastors in England were non believers for hundreds of years.
A friend of mine is an atheist and behaves in a more Christian like way than most people I come into contact with. Jesus despised hypocrites.
You can believe in religion without believing in God and a lot of church leaders are secretly in this mindset.
Church of England is a political party and pretty much always has been. It broke away from the real church so that the King could be in charge of it rather than God.
If the Archbishops of York and Canterbury believe Christianity to be problematic then it is time they vacated their positions in favour of someone who doesn't and sought some more suitably 'woke' employment elsewhere..
You're so right lady.😢🙏
the stone which the builders had rejected has become a stumblingblock...
Went to Sunday service at York Minster the other day, never have I been to any service where staff kept you standing while hymns were sung, then urged you to leave as soon as possible afterwards! Christianity is on a ventilator, with little hope of surviving before rapture happens!
The madness of woke !!
Us Catholics believe in "transubstantiation" at the Last Supper Jesus said, "this is my body, this any blood, take if if and eat". Jesus Christ is present in every tabernacle in every Catholic Church but this Archbishop needs to hang up his mitre and leave, how dare he question Jesus Christ.
A flesh eating ritual followed by a blood sacrifice sounds gross and very pagan.
These people do realise that Christian literally means a follower of Christ 🤔
The Lords prayer is the Lords prayer, no human shall change it .
They already have that’s how you can read it in English.
I mean, they're finally saying the quiet part out loud. They want Christianity, or their perception of it, without Christ. It's insanity.