THE SPAWN DIFFERENCE IN 60HZ VS 120HZ (YOU WON'T BELIEVE IT)
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- Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
- Hecz and Karma talk about the difference in the Modern Warfare CDL Servers and normal scrim servers. They also discuss Warzone and the effect it has had on competitive Call of Duty.
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Worst spawn system in any CoD. It's not battlefield.
Shipment spawns are so funny lol
K did the word fucked auto correct to funny?
If it ain’t broke, don’t break it
Keegan Duke ur just trash bro get better
@@idontwantone132 true xD
these Karma clips are gems. When he talks competitive...you cant help but listen.
Mw is only alive because of warzone.
Idk about that
@Bobby Frags A lot of players including myself only bought MW after playing warzone
I feel like you're saying this because Scump said it lol
Loki the sly one can’t stand the idiots that NEED to triple cap for no fkn reason...
@Bobby Frags but the only thing you heard about it was that the game is trash... Now everyone talks about it and not only the CoD people. So regarding the sells of the next CoD, warzone also helps a lot
Broken audio( inconsistent footstep audio), sbmm, inconsistency with ping due to platform, fov not being universal on platforms, broken spawns.......these things were not prevalent in previous cods......
Latency and online connection is abysmal, bullet reg is horrible in this game, I think it has something to do with character models and super sprint
I think they just don't know how to update their own game tbh it seems like it gets more bugged every update they do, I can't count how many windows I've got stuck in and spazzed side to side like my character was gonna explode while trying to crouch out them, now after the most recent update whenever I get shot at in warzone I start lagging I've never experienced the amount of problems on any other cod than I have this one. They should honestly just burn all copies and delete it off the stores
Iw sound design be like: make everything fucking loud as possible, except enemy footsteps
agree i have a 1 Gb connection with latecy of 19 ms. it spikes from 80-120+ ms then back to 19ms again.
I feel like IW has always been the casual players CoD and Treyarch has always been the competitive CoD. 🤷🏼♂️. Just remaster BO2 and sell it for $40 people would buy the shit of it.
plot twist; there is no competitive call of duty lol. it's a joke. csgo is a competitive game. all cods are casual games
kappa bitch it’s funny to me how every game that gets a lot of support for competitive and was focused around competitive is liked by the casual community more. Bo2, Bo4, AW, Bo1
kappa bitch ewwwww csgo 😂
MW2 and MW3 > BO, BO2, BO3 and BO4
Ghost-Xx - bot
The hit detection and servers in Modern Warfare bottleneck the competitive and casual experience.
Hit detection, terrible custom games connections and SBMM ruined this game. All i wanna play in warzone atm
Casuals really dont care about anything but getting on the game and playing. That's it. As long as the game is up, they dont care.
@@Adizzle235 Thats the thing tho cod has never strived adhering to the casuals and noobs, the pros and high up twitch streamers bring them in the marketing and the sale, the real dosh so they should tailor it to more comp play - not saying only listen to comp players but keep SBMM to League Play and stop making so many maps with damn buildings with easy sighlines and maps with no movement, its bad for the game and its development
@@Moltrositythis isn't a criticism but you're completely wrong. The noobs and casuals make up most of their profit, so why not make the game for your cash cow? The devs even admitted it flat out.
@@Moltrosity I agree whole heartedly with your first comment
They need to remaster bo2 for conpetitive, play those maps raid, standoff, etc., same game modes just update weapons etc like how Csgo does
frrrr
Factssss
The reason this CoD done so well in sales... Covid 19. I nor any of my friends group would have played the game if not for Covid & I know countless others who bought it because everyone else was playing it during lockdown.
Sstt don't talk for other people
Absolutely correct, I completely agree. CoD has died but the virus has pushed people to play it again out of boredom.
How old are you guys ?
making warzone f2p was genius, because people are hooked on it (great social game to play w friends), but then a new OP weapon comes out and people buy mp just to unlock them quickly on shoot the ship
Lmaooo the game was doimg ridiculously well even before coivd.
The only people that don't like the game are sweats and people that don't have their own opinions
Favorite game was BO2 to play and to watch. The competitive aspect of it was so good, felt good winning in league play. Super fun to play anchor for your team holding the spawns. But I’m this game it doesn’t even matter people just spawn everywhere and if you’re behind and it almost impossible to make a comeback in the res pawn game modes
I think there’s a problem in playing competitive gaming when the game companies incentive is towards casual players. You can’t really be mad at COD when they’re not tuning their came for competitive gaming when their money is coming from casual gamers. Valorant, and CS, are kind of different. Competitive gamers need competitive games and call of duty isn’t really a competitive game. In the next decade or two I’m really excited to see where competitive gaming goes. One bad game can screw the whole competitive industry for a year, it’s a bad business model.
Idk how I got here but I listened to the whole video and went to change it and seen the “H3CZ” at the end and had insane Mw2 flashbacks. Hope you’ve been well these last 9 or so years.
I feel like the only person alive that remembers the 'state of Call of Duty' podcast you did a the start of IW with crim and scump talking about things we need and must see, and yet somehow competitive cod has gotten worse since then
The casual love it bc they are all playing each other.
I miss Blitz on Ghosts. I always played that with my friends and we were in top 1000
I was top 50 on cranked is the US at one point. Only for like a few days though.. :(
I was top 100 in drop zone along with many big snipers at the time
I was #80-#90 without getting free score from the obj, it was always the kills which only gave you like 100 spk
Same with Headquarters back in World at War :( now it’s ruined with awful spawns and terrible maps
Really good video. But i think at this point a lot of casual have find out the problems about the gane and they stop playing it . I have a couple of friends, People who play on the weekends and after their normal job and even them have find that gunfighst are not good. That the servers are not good and the respponds suck
A casual but i ve play call of duty since ps 2 . I find this is the worst repaunds i ve ever since on a call of duty game . Karma has the best energy and his thoughts are so insightful.
Playing casual on this game is basically impossible. Bad spawns, Terrible maps, overpowered weapons (fal etc) people camping the same head glitch the whole game. It’s either play casual and rage after 3 games or play CDL rules and get shit on. I’m tired of getting home from a long day of work just to not be able to enjoy the game
Casual players I don’t think love standard multiplayer this year like they did many of the other cods, warzone and gunfight are basically the only things fun. Pub matches are slow and weird with campers and doors everywhere with broken spawns.
I don’t know how many times I shot someone and stopped shooting because the hit marker sound and the amount of bullets usually kills but they don’t die and they shoot me back and I die super fast
It’s so frustrating. Happens every game. Then you watch these streamers who 1v4 lobbies and dominate. Getting lit up by a whole team and being able to get out of it. I empty a whole clip in an enemy and don’t down them and they destroy me. I watch them and they can hear footsteps across the map with ridiculous accuracy. When/if I hear them it’s usually not accurate at all.
It’s so frustrating because MW has the best gunplay graphics and movement out of any cod but then they fuck up everything else
feel like it’s a tad dark, but the detail except from that is 👌. i love the feel of guns, customisations are excessive and ttk is way too low though, ADS speed is also way too slow and in addition to this, as karma said SPAWNS, making SnD the only mode i play
Joshua Haynes do u play cod? the whole problem with this game is first bullet wins due to the fact that you can just camp or pre aim and then flinch the fuck out of people. worst multiplayer i’ve ever played
The one year cycle for each version for the sorting issues doesn't help. Pretty much as soon as it is released the devs are probably haveing to start on the one after next release. Giving them a couple of years each would help I think.
You’re stupid
take a shot every time karma says core
Congrats on the W against faze
i REALLY hope next cod actually has a real league play and reason to play multiplayer.
comp cod peaked in BO2 and every year after that it just got slightly worse and worse, Ghosts had good SnD but that was it, AW was good, BO3 was good, IW was eh, WW2 was dogshit, BO4 was ok, and now MW is dogshit
AW???? Cmon bruh.
God AW had good competitive
Pistol Pete Shoots yeah it was hella fun
God AW had good maps and i actually enjoyed the cheesy ass SnD meta lmao. CTF was good, and even tho i sucked at uplink it was still fun af. also was great from a viewing perspective.
AW comp was the goat in my eyes👀 damn Solar s&d was so good
So all I got from this was:
-spawns suck because we cant predict them
-spawns suck because I cant spawn trap them
Theres no competition if you're not fighting for spawn control .,
When good players know a map , and know the spawn layout . Good players fight for control of that area to control the spawns . Best player wins . Noobe players get spawn trapped .
It creates high intensity , and better players . If you have a brain .
Also if your okay with killing someone and him spawning literally right behind you that’s so unfair because your literally caught off guard like there is nothing you can do I personally don’t care about spawn trapping just don’t let them spawn in a position where I’m not capable of fighting back or doing anything
LOVE the HONESTY! CoD is my favorite game and these nonsensical changes are ruining the game! Thanks for having the courage to speak up! *Treyarch, I’m counting on you!*
Damon’s opinions are facts💯 Always love hecz podcasts!
I hate how they are probably even more confused on what the people want in cod because this one is popular due to warzone and COVID-19
get me on those 120hz servers
120 tick* servers.
@@madaadog8720 it's supposed to be 12Hz server, Pros play on PS4 Which is locked at 60 hz refresh rate so its Irrelevant
KLZ6 sorry that makes sense
@@KLZ619 Actually, PS4 Pro and Xbox One X plays at 120HZ Refresh Rate if you have a 120Hz or above monitor. Came out in a software update late 2019.
@@Stryxx They're capable but the games are locked at 60
This is the first CoD that I only play search and destroy. There isn’t a league play apart from CDL which is just boring because there’s no ranking system
Karma is right. You can’t keep the game the same. I’m sorry, as much as pro players deserve respect and support. These games are not built for them. The competitive gaming scene for COD probably doesn’t even rake in 50% of the earnings from game sales (I’d be interested to know the real numbers). You can tell because warzone came out for free and everyone wants to play it. And warzone has no CDL aspect to it besides for fun. Activision cannot keep a game that makes them this much money? The same every year. There only option is to somehow create and support the competitive league on the side. Whether that means more rules that make the more “complex cods” more basic. Or a voting system in which people vote for which COD they will play in the CDL. Even then I still don’t think that’ll work. This is the game, this is how it works, CDL will just have to adapt! COD brings in way tooo much money. Like way too much for them not to stick to the idea of creating different game’s every year. It’s the sad truth :/
A good developer would try to balance the game for all players and keep everyone interested and try to get everyone to enjoy their game.. sadly you can’t be perfect and there are flaws with every game but the competitive scene is getting bigger and bigger every year and these developers need to make the game for all types of players
Dylan McDonald no I totally get you. Listen, a good développer in the eyes of the players is one that does what’s best for us right?? But the problem is from a développer and business standpoint you have to do what’s best for the company first, while then supporting the players. But money will always be first right? Yes it’s a problem but if you’re the ceo of the biggest gaming développer in the world you would have to look money first or else you wouldn’t be in that position in the first place. And the reality is casual players bring in more money than competitive players. It’s the sad truth and I wish it was different I’m sure they’re trying their best to have a compromise.
I try to turn of cross platform due to the terrible net code in the Cross play servers, every game I play I get shot round an object.
That's a good point though: other Esports like Overwatch, league, CSGO, etc. are played on the same game year after year. Sure they update and change the games but it"s still the same game at its core. CoD is unique because it works the opposite: instead of the same game with some things changing it's another game but with some things staying the same.
@fifa @nba @ufc
Games have gotten so convoluted. To much randomizes trash. I will always praise the arena shooter eras. The golden Halo days, Quake, Unreal Tournament. The core fundamentals where simple and worked and players where put on an even playing field to test each players skill and abilities. Now its about quantity vs quality and we have to tweak 80% of the games rules and in game equipment to put it in a competitive state. If you are having to do that then the game wasn’t designed to be competitive. The COD sandbox at its core is not designed from a standpoint to be competitive and that’s it.
Unreal was my shit
It took a solid week of installing and updating off and on before I could even play multiplayer, played for about 2-3 weeks and honestly really enjoyed more than any COD ina LONG time, and then needed another 90GB+ update and haven't played it since. It's ridiculous, and ruins what was honestly my favorite COD since Black Ops 2.
Did you take advantage of the ability to uninstall portions of MW? If you're having space issues, this might help.
Hit detection is trash in this game as well. But spawns is ruining it 100%
I literary got shot in the back right after spawning by the same guy 3 times in a row, like I couldn’t even move. It was on hard hat
No lie karmas been speaking facts. MW is just runnin and gunnin. You don’t have time to think. You just do. The black ops series is the complete opposite
They made it to where a bad player can still be rewarded and thats not cod... cod was always if your better, your just better and the other guy just had to learn and practice to beat you...
Great video
The game came out broken, another reason not to buy the next one 😂 the amount of weapons that got ga'd proves how this game is not competitive at all. The spawning system is abysmal
By the next one do you mean the next infinity ward game? Or the next call of duty game in general? If it helps the next CoD will be made by treyarch lol that’s the only hope I have for competitive CoD at this point
@@moto6153 the next one, between bo4 and this one its proper put me off touching another call of duty 😅 happy to watch the pros, but have not enjoyed the last two at all. I do feel bad for the pros having to get through non competitive cod's
@@buddybleeyes wtfff bo4 was one the best. What are you on about. I didnt buy MW and I still play bo4 regularly.
@@buddybleeyes And fyi, 95% of pro players also liked it.
@@klutchboi3266 it was the loot box situation I hated. The game was fun, but that sucked alot of the fun out of it 😅 I agree there, I meant mw for the pros. Edit: is bo4 much better now? Been tempted to go back since I've heard the drops are better. Not sinking money into it, but I know you can earn them alot easier now
Love this channel
It's not competitive because you can't predict where they gone spawn if you could predict and make simple spawn traps then it's NOT competitive competition isn't supposed to be predictable
The spawns are BROKEN. you die and spawn a foot behind the guy who killed you so you can get the easy kill on him and in reverse ending whatever good streak you were on
Should be 60hz tick rate for console and cross play, 120hz for pc only. Remember this isnt the same infinity ward that made MW2/MW3, pretty much a whole new team and you get a completely different game that sucks. If shitty 343i can do 60hz tick rate for halo mcc servers so can MW.
The spawns hurt every player that plays this broken excuse of a COD. Havent fully tested this theory, just what ive experienced and seen with my own eyes. But I'm pretty sure they have two spawning algorithms. The squad based spawns, and a seperate death streak spawn where if you've died multiple times, it will spawn you next to the last enemy that killed you in hopes that it will give you a free kill. Instead, you spawn into the sights of the enemy and get shot immediately.
Hecz you the man!
more casual players then competitive. cod shouldn’t listen to what these sweaty little virgins want.
Shut up
The sweaty little virgins are the competitive players🤣
@@darraghbuttimer5213 Should CoD cater only to the needs of competitive players? I'm no pro. I like mp as it is so far.
Don’t forget the footstep audio in warzone
This cod by far has the worse spawns I've ever seen in a cod. Shit pisses me off so bad and I just play for fun but am still super competitive and like to win so getting spawn trapped and spawning in the same spot the whole fucking game really just makes it not that fun.
I hope for a bo2 remaster game so i can grind again on that league play again... miss those days
2:18 is exactly why all the pros complaining about spawns is a bunch of bullshit . Your literally all but hurt at spawns because they don’t spawn in the same place you gotta look at your map now? I think this current cod was just trying too show evolution within itself but people “pros” couldn’t conform therefore complain about everything in the game
i think the game’s mechanics feel really smooth and the game in that sense is great. but for some reason the spawns and the basic things every call of duty had before just wasn’t there. if the spawns were fixed then it would make the experience much better
So this guy is mad cause he can’t spawn camp?? Spawn camping doesn’t take that much skill, random spawns will make you all around better
It's spawn trapping you bot lmao 🤣 not spawn camp . And it does take skill to control the spawn ,. It also makes you better at the game , because if you do it correctly your in full control of the flow of the game .
And if your being trapped you'll learn how to get out of it. With movement and reaction . The punishment for camping was being trapped , the reward for rushing was total domination ., Now there's no flow to the game , the real competitive nature of cod doesn't exist .
Now it's about holding a particular position , rather than fighting for spawn flow .,
But your a bot 🤣 wtf would you know ?
Bryden P cam down there guy. So the changes in spawns are what is ruining your chances of being a COD pro huh
Big DTLS that’s one of the reasons yes. Comp plays completely different to multiple, so shitty influenced spawns can make the game soo shit at a competitive level
@@0MrPepeSilvia0 actually it just makes the game shit ,, for anybody that's actually good at the game , but the Devs had to make safe spaces for you " so you can feel safe 🤣 and not die as soon as you spawn .
I've lost all interest in competitive cod... BO4 was the last fun pub/comp game. WZ is pretty fun but, not competitive at all.
What blows my mind is the mini map. The pros get red dots for enemy fire. Pub lobbies don’t. They have comms they should rely on instead of red dots! That’s like NFL players only need one foot in bounds for a catch and college players need 2.
I need what you smoking dawg
Charles S really though. Think about it. The pro players should have to rely on quads. When do you ever have CDL like comms in pub lobbies? Never! Giving pros red dots for enemy fire is like giving college hockey kids a bigger rink to skate on than the NHL. That’s like NCAA having NBA regulation 3 point line and NBA having NCAA regulations
I fully agree with him
Fortnite killed their game. Looks like MW is doing the same...
I disagree. Unlike Fortnite, MW is just one game in a series. If one CoD game disappoints the next one could be an improvement. I believe previous CoD titles still have supported servers, so if a player finds a CoD game they like, then an individual title in the whole can still be successful.
The tick rate of COD servers are abysmal. I believe consoles are too outdated to facilitate hosting a 120tick server. Also, if you can’t maintain 120 FPS as a benchmark (console players CANT) then you will not feel any real difference with a higher tick rate except PC players will dominate even MORE as they will be able to utilise the higher tick rate as they can maintain 120fps. Without FPS, tick rate makes little difference except giving PC players a huge advantage.
hit detection would still improve though.
I believe it.
Spawn system, traffic flow, and map design are by far the worst aspect of this cod. And those are very important when it comes to gameplay.
Man I love Karma
120hz? Who has 120hz servers? Pubs and CDL playlist are 12 tick (12 Hz) and GB servers are 60hz.
Oh I believe it, 60Hz on console Vs 120Hz on PC is a MAJOR difference. This is why I KEEP saying PC has no business in the console world.
I would gladly play a version of bo4 for life. remove half the dumb guns and just keep adding maps. add CTF and uplink as optional modes for comp that game can be played for years. entertainment value for fans high as hell. right now I skip Dom in most matches it's stale.
I feel Like Due to Warzone ALOT of attention has been diverted from Multiplayer.. Were lacking so much NEW content.
Except nerfing the MP5 and M4 which are the two main competitive guns all season long right as the season is coming to an end...
There aren't even 120hz servers in COD tho? And why would you need them when sonsoles are locked at 60fps. What kinda title is this
Just wait.. if/when comp dies out og fans will eventually miss the comp gaming events
Halo is more competitive than cod, change my mind
Formal competes in cod instead of Halo
@@TheColts1027 because theres no money in halo comp... but halo is 10x more balanced and stable than cod mw
@@hyperion808gaming7 theres no money because its trash
Joseph Mouncey the game’s not trash, it’s just that kids like you don’t understand what makes a FPS competitive and you’d rather play an easy game like cod MW cause you’d be shit at any game that actually has competitive integrity. Smh
Enda O'Rourke can your dumbass read? I said “halo is more competitive than cod, change my mind” not once did I compare csgo to halo you thick skulled kid
Black ops 2 is the only cod that had it right! The perfect recipe
There is nothing wrong with the game you guys just don’t like change
If u actually test it cod servers arent 12hz m if u dont believe go ahead test it
Custom games unless you use dedicated servers are 12 hz public matches aren't 12hz either
@@Cristian_D63 if u dont use dedicated on customs its player host so yeah its probably 12hz
The casual players are the target market... I know it’s frustrating being a competitive player but y’all just don’t generate the income that casual players do because it’s all business... if you’re looking for something more competitive player focused play a different game... sucks to say and sounds super mean I know but it’s the truth... wish it was different for y’all but it is what it is
nope
Yea ig but think about how many people bought the game because they watch or want to get in the comp scene, all the players who bought cdl skins, the champs pack, the 300 MILLION dollars that they made just from the buy ins to the league, the events, sponsors, etc etc etc.
If you think about it it’s actually pretty close
ur mom lol the buy in to the league is a one time thing though, 12 new teams won’t be buying in every year. People also heavily overestimate how much impact streamers have on getting people to buy games. For the most part, the majority of people know if they’re gonna buy a game before they ever see it on stream. Second, all any streamers do these day sis bitch about everything that’s wrong with every game they play, so it’s not exactly great advertising to begin with
So true. When you have a in game store. The games will never go back to the old days.
But the multiplayer is fucking ass no matter if you’re a pro casual or moron.
I personally think the problem is Activision
and I also believe unfortunately, looking at a competitive aspect, Warzone probably is going to change call of duty forever. Theres something for everyone in warzone, for try hards, casuals, pros
MW TOOK THE BIGGEST L IN MULTIPLAYER AND WARZONE SAVED THEM CAUSE MUTIPLAYER IS ABSOLUTELY GARBAGE LMAO.
funny thing is that base MW only runs at 22Hz and CDL at 60Hz unless they changed it lmao
No. Custom games = 12 Hz, 6v6 / 10v10 MP = 60Hz, Groundwar = 20-22 Hz or so.
This game is just trash and does not require as much skill as every other CoD. The game in every aspect except Warzone is absolute trash. Probably the worst competitive CoD ever.
True facts karma
They cater to the BAD PLAYERS there are more of them spending money than good ones!!! Its forever gonna be setup so anybody could can get lucky and get a few kills and have fun while all the good players get in sweatier and sweatier matches
It went cod1, cod2, cod3, cod4 MW, WaW, MW2, BO1, MW3, BO2, Ghosts, AW, BO3, IW, WW2, BO4, MW
Call of Duty: Modern Campers
Spawns or getting spawn trapped is far more annoying than campers, footsteps IW did this on purpose. Sometimes you have to slow down and camp especially when spawn bombardment kicks in. This COD had set a new standard but obviously need to sort spawns, T2K, Footsteps tone down and map voting.
I've loved MW & Warzone.👍.
Best COD since BO2 or MW3. Just my opinion.
Did you mean 12Hz? There wasn't 120Hz servers my guy.
"I jussssss wannet to run around knowing where you were and spawn trap you for easy kills, now I gotta ya'know look at the map and stuff sssssso hard."
After playing at 144fps, I just can't go back to 60fps.... Shit is trash
Spawn trapping isn't good for casual call of duty.
Someone please fix the typo in this eye sore of a title
Why is he saying 12hz ?
Kinda just sounds like a kid complaining they cant spawn trap people... it's always these "pros" that cry about the exploits getting fixed
The spawns do suck though.
There is a video you should check out explaining of how halo could of kept its core gameplay. But it changed it sandbox. Like he explained so well. And the same principle Apply’s to Call of duty.
Ahh HECZ. Your click bait picture and title finally got me. Clicked on it for something but got nothing. Respect tho good adv
Is it not 12Hz?
Differencr between 12 and 60 no?
Infinity Ward: caters to 9-11 year old kids
Box: Mature Audiences only. 18+
Me: Epsteins myself
Ah but you see good sir, Epstein didn’t kill himself
Go back to black ops 4 and you will be happy they changed the hit detection
HecZ, don’t you mean 12Hz?
12hz vs 60hz*
Cant believe i payed 60 euros for mw
Its 12hz vs 60hz
What some of these guys that been involved/stream cod along with cod og’s put out a FPS and just kill call of duty I’m sure some of these guys like hecz is well connected
MW just isn’t COD