The complicated legacy of Spain's super-rich 'indianos' - BBC REEL
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- In the late 19th Century, hundreds of thousands of Spaniards left Spain for America. A few made an exceptional fortune and returned home; they are known as 'indianos'. Their new fortune helped to transform their country, and their lavish mansions are still a symbol of this today, however there is also a dark past behind how some gained their wealth, one that Spain is only now beginning to confront.
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In that time Cuba was a region of Spain, equal to Asturias or Galicia, and one of the most developed of the Spanish Monarchy.
That wasn't true until the very last years of Spanish presence in Cuba. And of course, during the 20th century it wasn't a part of Spain.
Creo que te olvidas de alguna que otra revolución y de un tal General Weyler...
@@luisbreva6122 Cuba siempre fue provincia española. La diferencia es que hacía el final de la dominación se le ofreció estatuto de autonomía.
@@luisbreva6122 That's right, until then It was firstly a part of EEUU and afterwards become a perennial dictatorship. Yeah, That's the outcome of becoming independent from the rest of Spain.
@@luisbreva6122 No it is true! It was a province of Spanish Empire, and enjoyed all the same rights and privileges as peninsular Spain.
Indianos no es solo de la peninsula iberica. En Canarias, hubo muchisima gente que emigro a latinoamerica y regresó años después . En la isla de la Plama, se celebra la llegada de estos canarios emigrados en la fiesta de Los Indianos
Dicen que el acento caribeño (PR, RD y Cuba) se debe, en gran parte, a los canarios.
Se dice que tanbién que el patrimonio genético de sus islas caribeñas es en gran parte originario de Canarias, a pesar de la contribución consecuente africana o de otras partes del mundo
El catalufo que habla en el vídeo no sabe nada y da lecciones como el maestro Ciruela.
My grandfather emigrated from Asturias to Cuba when he was 12, only with a cardboard luggage. He worked his ass off , met my grandmother (from Galicia, also emigrated on her own ) made a fortune and came back to Spain in 1936 to invest their wealth in Galicia. Strong fellas they were…
1936: buen momento para volver a España...
@@javierburgos7 Galicia was quiet back then. He always said that. They werent commies, so all good for them
A lot of their descendants also emigrated again during the Franco regime, didn't they, leaving behind deserted villages? I've been to Cantabria and Asturias and seen some of these ghost villages.
Historical hustle, respect the grind bruv.
Made a fortune doing what? Lot's of people work their asses off.
Well, Spain must be the only "colonial power" to make its colonies far richer than its own metropolis, up to the point that its own poorest had to emigrate to those territories. At that time, Cuba was a Spanish region of Spain, same as Andalucia or Catalonia. The "indianos" phenomenon has been massively exagerated in this video I know it because my great-grandparents were indianos themselves same as many other people of their own village.
They came back richer than they left, but not one of those "indianos" was as rich as to build those sort of mansions. What made the North of Spain richer than the south was industrialization which became true as a result of a mixture of factors: abundance of cheap work force, mining resources (coal, iron, tungsten, copper, etc) and above all, the national government's protectionism of those manufactures which translated into subsidies, high taxes on certain imports, prevention of the industrialization of other regions in Spain, etc. But all those policies had been already put into place in the late XVIII century and early XIX and it took almost a century for them to have a certain success.
My great-grandparent fought in the Anglo-Cuban war as a volunteer to, as he said, "prevent the protestants to take Cuba from us" which at that time was an integrant part of Spain.
The first Spanish railway was the line La Habana-Güines in 1837, in the Spanish Peninsula there wasn't any yet.
My great grandparent stayed in Cuba after the war and some of his brothers as well. He worked cutting sugar cane in the plantations and did other jobs not wanted by the locals, very often worked next to black people but never confronted a slave, as for the slaves was really easy to buy their own freedom. Slavery was far more common in huge plantations owned usually by Catalan burgeois who constantly pressed the national governement not to ban definitively slavery.
I must also say that even though British and others had oficially banned slavery, that doesn't mean that slaves ceased to exist. Actually, what they forbade was "the Atlantic slave trade". Millions of slaves and poor workers closer to slavery existed in the British, French and Dutch colonies of Africa and Asia.
One of my grandparent's brothers stayed in Cuba after the war, and after several decades both sides of the family lost contact ( at that time there wasn't internet or even telephone), it wasn't until 2010 that I received a phone call from Florida USA from a far cousin who had left the island during the Cuban revolution of 1959 with his parents.
¡Una historia muy interesante!
Fascinating.
Adventures like this are hard to come by nowadays... Just impossible.
Have you ever heard of Portugal?
Cuba was a very wealthy country in that era. The most advanced nation in Latin America. Not a fair distribution of wealth, true, but few countries had that in the 19th Century.
@@MrMatavelhas XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
BBC talking about black Spanish legend . 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.
I am an Indiano descendent from Asturias. My great grand father made his money in Cuba and built a mansion named "El Palacion" (The big palace), the church that has his statue and a School. He went to Cuba with a lot of money and invested in retail stores (Ultramarinos) and created a fortune. I never ever heard about Indianos doing slavery and I know many families from Indianos in my County. Could be some at the beginning of the 19th century but I can assure you that it was a very small percentage because later I lived eight years in the Caribbean and I never heard that. Of course coming from England I assume that is part of the "Leyenda Negra". We just can't forget that the enemies of Spain they never mixed with the native poulations and very openly proclaimed the "The best Indian was the dead Indian" and nowadays you have all the native American reservations to prove it.
This is a BBC attemnt of sharing the responsability of Slave Trading to others, like Spain... But the MONOPOLY of Slave Trade was English, and Portuguese as well.
Curioso que hables de leyenda negra y cuba cuando fue en cuba y otros países más q los españoles exterminaron a los indigenas.. y no me vengas con el cuento de q se murieron todos por las enfermedades q eso eso es una mentira descarada
@@hassan9902 Por supuesto que hubo abusos pero la colonizacion Hispanica trajo el mestizaje y al cruzar las razas se crearon los Criollos, zambos y otras mezclas que todavia perduran. Mira a ver si la colonizacion Inglesa, Francesa o Holandesa hicieron lo mismo. Seguro que con esas colonizaciones no quedo ninguna poblacion nativa viva para contarlo.
@@louaceveu1925 en cuba, puerto rico y república dominicana los indígenas fueron exterminados y asesinados por los españoles mientras en india q fue 200 años colonia británica está llena de nativos
@@hassan9902 Yo vivi en Republica Dominicana y hay todavia mucha poblacion indigena y negra. Los Ingleses no podian aniquilar tan enorme poblacion en India pero si que les cortaron los pulgares a millones de mujeres para que no pudieran coser y competir con los telares de las ciudades Britanicas como Manchester. Ademas Gandhi inicio una revolucion pacifica a la que los Ingleses no supieron como responder.
In Portugal we don’t call them INDIANOS. We also have these ostentatious and over size houses that we call “brazilian’s houses” or “torna-viagem/the ones that came back”
What about the "avecs", don't they build nice houses too?
@@tupisamba211 they do. Different style though.
@@tupisamba211 what are avecs?
@@Vonneumann747 a name that Portuguese people use for Portuguese-French people who are wealthier and come vacation in Portugal thinking they are better than regular Portuguese people.
In my mother's town there was an Indiano who, among other things, built what is now the secondary school, and dedicated himself for many years to paying with his money for the studies of the children of the town. As he was intelligent, and knew that his money was not going to last forever, he left in his will that, when money began to be scarce, the first to pay for studying were the boys. This was because the families were going to invest the little money they had in having their sons study first and not the girls, which is why many girls in that town had a minimum education, which in many other areas in At that time, they did not have
Boys first because they would be the breadwinners
Isn't that nice. Blood money to educate the little girls & boys. If the blood doesn't run out.
@@MJ-hg1mk Most of the indianos made their wealth when slavery was already abolished. Don't be a fool.
@@MJ-hg1mk sugar and tobacco money
On the contrary, Brittons travelling all around the world at that time were not slavists nor some of them even pirates at all….
Eran lo peor de lo peor y en el fondo lo saben.
Everything was relatively okay until the final message about Spain hasn't confronted its own slavery past. So that is the purpose of this video, trying to create a shared guilty feeling about slavery, as if the past of the Spanish Empire was the same as the protestant side. Nice try, but everyone who likes history knows which is the truth.
The porpoise, huh? 🐬
@@minskdhaka thanks
No importa que haya sido peor en otros lados, lo correcto es admitir que estuvo mal
@@sofiadri2638 claro. Yo soy el primero que rechaza esos esclavistas, muchos de ellos grandes burgueses catalanes. De hecho, hasta se ha dicho que el papel que tuvieron estos esclavistas en Cuba fue uno de los factores que impulsó el proceso de independencia allí. Por otra parte, sería de ingenuos no pensar que hay una intencionalidad en este vídeo. No son tan insistentes con lo que hizo Churchill en Bengala, o las grandes hambrunas provocas por el Imperio Británico en la India. Por desgracia poco hay de casual en este tipo de vídeos.
@@bertokokkok3921 si, entiendo lo que decís
Reading the comments, i am gratefull as Turkish we have something common with the spanish... the anglo saxon hatred!
And also the wish by some to impose a colective guilt complex upon the population of a particular country with no other will but to economically exploit new generations of youngsters that have nothing to do with what happened like 2 centuries ago and should not pay at any cost for that. That´s also some kind of laboral and mental exploitation based on impossed guilt with no other goal but to live on the work of others. Also a kid of slavery to me.
You mean since Brexit, all momentum has gone out of joining the EU because you cant get a British passport. Lol.
@@alejandrosotomartin9720 Europe's power and influence *TODAY* is a direct result of your ancestors unsavory colonial practices, which the "new generations of youngsters that have nothing to do with what happened 2 centuries ago" benefit from every single day. Africa, India and South America were all bled dry by Europe. Literally thousands of tons of gold, jewels, silk and virtually anything else that European settlers could get their grubby little hands on, all of it was stolen. You are nothing but a bunch of thieves, pillagers and pirates and you are delusional if you think we will let you forget this anytime soon. This is not ancient history, this was just a few centuries ago, we are not evolved as a society to the point where colonialism can be simply brushed off as "ancient history". Not even close buddy.
@@saintemile3086 Europe´s power and inflluence today exists because we are more inteligent, more hard working, with higher works ethic, with larger freedom of expession that allows innovation and ammelioration of the incumbent society and we live in the global North. From where i am native. Deal with that and don´t cry on me.
@@saintemile3086 If you have inferiority complex towards europeans, it´s not my fault and nothing I can or want to do to fix it. Go to a psychologist.
BBC y la leyenda negra
I am not surprised to see the British Media trying to create a bad view about Spain's past and history...
La Pérfida haciendo de las suyas, como siempre. No se puede bajar la guardia
This is Spain’s history. Deal with it.
@@lh2738 Mezclan al marqués de Comillas , que realmente no era el clásico " indiano" y ya manchan a todos los demás, no tienen nada que ver con el comercio de esclavos porque era algo que ya ni existía ; me dan pena los descendientes de los indianos que explican todo perfectamente y con la mejor intención pero el último historiador mete al marqués y ya todo queda tergiversado .
@@zico739 The English aren't in a position to lecture us on anything, historically speaking. Look at what they did in their colonies all over the world.
@@lh2738 Informing is not lecturing. Boy, are you thin-skinned
La esclavitud aún era legal en Cuba, no así en España. De ahí que pudieron sacar provecho de eso. Pero hay más países con esclavitud tardía, como Brasil 1880s y hasta Colombia 1860s.
I'm a spanish basque and I was vaguely aware of indianos. Thanks for the short documentary, it's been super informative!
A great friend of mine who's from Puerto Rico descends from Balearic Islanders, his great great uncle came from the Island of Mallorca, when he was a teenager with his two elder brothers,. (The eldest would go to Argentina) . He worked really hard and amassed a big fortune. When he returned to his village , he built an outstanding mansion, with palm trees all around , just like in Puerto Rico.
In 1939, around 15000 Balearics had arrived in the Caribbean, mostly in PR and Cuba. When the Spanish Civil War ended, most of them returned, to Mallorca for the most part.
Spain hasn’t confronted slave trade because it didn’t take a role on it systematically as a country... It was a thing of French, Portuguese, British and African systematically as a country. Look at the population of the countries where Spain ruled, even now days it is difficult to find black people. Compare Haiti 🇭🇹 and Dominican Republic 🇩🇴 for instance. Look at Brasil 🇧🇷 population... and the Spanish government had banned the slavery in the XVIII century (1766), but formally in 1837.
Portugal banned slavery in 1761 (on Portuguese soil) However, slavery within the African Portuguese colonies was only abolished in 1869. Shameful past unfortunately.
Currently it is difficult to evaluate the role of Spain in slavery. Compiled sources that I read 20 years ago on the internet have disappeared. There are still hints on the internet but, you have to compile the data to bring it into focus. THE BOTTOM LINE: Although Spain royal decree abolished slavery very early in world history, 1500's, colonists of "Spanish" descent ignored the decrees. In my humble opinion: the opposition to abolition of slavery led to the loss of the Spanish colonies. Spain was a world leader for abolition of slavery. It simply took a while to bring the rest of the world to agree. An example of what happened is the USA that did not abolish slavery until Lincoln in 1863, and was killed for it. Despite the Emancipation Proclamation slavery was re-instated by Jim Crow laws that perpetuated the culture of slavery. Quite possibly this culture of slavery in the USA continues to this day.
Wow that’s such nonsense idk where to start!
@@franciscoosuna259 Jim Crow didn't reinstate slavery....smh
You don't know what you're yapping about.
Now be quiet and slink back to your gutter
@@airhabairhab I am not asking you to write a thesis. Just a short response on one issue would be great. I am not a historian, I did engineering, but I read a lot. We are here to learn. Thanks
Well done guys, feeding the Leyenda Negra in an Anglo Saxon channel.
It is simply the truth. Europeans don't want to face the negative sides of their past.
@@Pou1gie1 Face?. What for?. For events in which the current generations are not responsible for?.
@@FranciscoCamino That doesn't change the past. The fact is Europe's power and influence TODAY is a direct result of your ancestors unsavory colonial practices. Africa, India and South America were all bled dry by Europe. Literally thousands of tons of gold, jewels, silk and virtually anything else that European settlers could get their grubby little hands on, all of it was stolen. You are nothing but a bunch of thieves, pillagers and pirates and you are delusional if you think we will let you forget this anytime soon. This is not ancient history, this was just a few centuries ago, we are not evolved as a society to the point where colonialism can be brushed off as "ancient history". Not even close.
@@saintemile3086 Tons of gold moved from one part of the empire to other. As today when materials are taken to different parts of the country according to their needs. In the case of South America is less than 20% and the 80% remained to build the new lands. Incans, Azteks, Mayans slaughtered and looted their neighbours. Have Perú, Mexico or Guatemala regreted what they did?.
Colonization is bad but it’s the result of power and greed. And throughout history it has remained the same. The strong milks the weak. And it hasn’t been just Europe. Perhaps closer to our own history. And perhaps all those asking for excuses are the descenters of the ones who commited the atrocities.
@@Pou1gie1 because other nations do ? You see the Turks lamenting about the fact they stole greek lands and slaughtered armenian populations?
You see the arabs feeling sorry for their attempts at colonizing Europe through their invasion of Hispania or the slave trade they kept till the 20th century ?
Why should Europeans feel sorry for what their ancestors did then ?
La BBC como siempre: echando mierda sobre España. ¡Qué pereza!
pereza tu. La bbc habla lo mismo sobre el colonialismo ingles o de cualquier otro pais europeo.
@@Alberto-xz7th también odian a los ingleses cierto
@@ferbsol2334 No. Lo que tienen es una vision muy negativa del colonialismo. Se estan disculpando cada dos por tres
@@Alberto-xz7th ¿ Qué colonialismo ? Sí la mayoría de las imágenes que se muestran pertenecen a los primeros años del siglo XX ¿ No distingues la ropa , un automóvil ? Cuba ya no pertenecía a España , no había esclavitud , en la descripción del vídeo habla del siglo XIX exclusivamente y después saca un montón de fotos del siglo XX , no es actuar honestamente , hay que quitarse ya complejos , si es la BBC es excelente , poseen la verdad absoluta , no es así, ni con este tema ni con otros , muchas de esas casas fueron construidas por gente que emigró a Cuba a principios del siglo XX , a una minoría le fue bien , construyeron esas casas o no , dependiendo de su gusto ,trabajaron duro , tuvieron un golpe de suerte , con la Revolución perdieron casi todo, prefirieron irse , así que poco pudieron salvar, los bienes que tenían norteamericanos en Cuba fueron limpiamente conseguidos ¿ Los bienes españoles , no ? Cines , ferreterías , tintorerías,tiendas... Hay que dejar de aceptar de forma acrítica todo lo que venga de EEUU , Reino Unido , hay que dejar de ser unos acomplejados .
@@evarubio9904 no he dicho ni que este bien o mal o que la bbc sea fiable o no asi qhe no se aqui viene este comentario. Solo digo que los españoles en internet a menudo son muy cansinos con sus semiconspiraciones de wue los ingleses dedicab su vida a difamar españa. La bbc es muy critica con el colonialismo poscolonialismo y todo lo asociado a ello, no es que les tebgan mania a españa por ningun motivo
My grandmother tells me stories about when her brothers went to Cuba in the 20’s and whenever they came back they would dress large white hats. They made lot of money. Galicia tales
No me puedo creer q la BBC todavía quiera dejar mal a España 😅
No es que la BBC quiera dejar mal a España. España tiene un pasado que, aunque glorioso, tiene capítulos vergonzosos (la conquista de México, la conquista de Perú, la esclavitud, etc.). Como dice el documental, otros países europeos sí han hecho un examen de conciencia de lo que hicieron en América, Asia o África. España no
@@CondorFlyingHigh hola! Qué países?
¿Qué vas a esperar de ellos?
It is simply the truth. Did you see the end? Spain and Portugal want to hide their slave-owning and -trading past.
Siempre; pero lo hacen de forma tan torpe, que se los ve venir a kilómetros 😂
Title has no sense. Is hundreds of thousands of very poor people migrating to earn a life, usually starting in the worse jobs and conditions. From them luckily we just know a few cases like Güell and Lopez in Barcelona that ended up trading humans.
Totalmente de acuerdo , son historias como la de los fundadores de _El Corte Inglés_ o _Galerías Preciados_ , que empezaban de aprendices en tiendas , incluso dormían tras el mostrador , en esa época lógicamente ni había esclavos , ni comercio de esclavos , ni nada parecido , esas casas de indianos que aparecen ahí , muchas en Asturias , también en Galicia pertenecen a esa época .
It’s a sensasionalist title in British Media
y los americanos que fueron al salvaje oeste a matar indios y robarles las tierras, esos son "valientes exploradores"
Los "colonizadores" ese es el termino realmente. Y muy cierto no todo fué malo.
Muchas excelentes industrias de calidad fueron creados. Lástima que mucho de ese conocimiento se ha perdido.
Tristemente en la actualidad esos "negreros" aún existen. Y esa discrminación es la que aún vemos en las islas del Caribe. Y todo para construir castillos inserbibles que con el tiempo se dan en remate.
"Emigrantes" es un término mas adecuado a la descripción.
Pero por allá, los llamáis "gallegos" (Argentina, Uruguay...) porque muchos vinieron de Galicia.
Los "colonizadores" llegaron varios siglos antes.
Well, they did leave something behind. I am descended from Aramburos, Sambolas and Arnauds. I have DNA matches from Spain/France to Puerto Rico to Mexico to Argentina! I have no idea who my direct male ancestor is.
Not that long ago, I watched a video telling the story of Corsican men who did the same as the Spaniards who sought fortune in the Americas and then returned home. They too were given a nickname by the locals. Their villas still stand, some inherited by their descendants.
We all know what happens when people try to rewrite history. Read Orwell if you don't get it. Renaming the square doesn't do anything for the poor guy it commemorates, it's just some window dressing for virtue-signalling do-gooders. The Marqués de Comillas did a lot of good to Barcelona, even if he was not a virtuous man. What did Idriss Diallo do for Barcelona?
to this day there's an old saying in Asturias, "ir a Cuba" or "ir a La Habana" means to get rich or have good lucky
Y al revés influyeron aquí también de muchas formas. En los cantes, flamenco, gastronomía....las HAVANERAS catalanas
@@pablojuega3312 Tambien se cantan habaneras en Asturias. Hay muchas coplas y cancios populares que dicen sobre Cuba o América. "Vase mio amor a Cuba y nun volverá", una copla. La canción "Ramonzón de Panera" es toda sobre alguien que fue a América a hacerse rico y volvió con la sarna... Y muchas otras, mi abuela me cantaba "El nuestru Juacón, el nuestru Juacón, botanonmoslu a Cuba y xastrón volvió" (xastrón en asturiano quiere decir descuidado o sucio)
And yet Spain was the first European country to ban slavery.
In the United States we have mansions like these fanciful indiano mansions--built by self-made millionaires who amassed fortunes in all sorts of industries. Except they're way bigger because, well, American industrialists and entrepreneurs of the 19th century were the richest in the world. You can find these enormous mansions (practically palaces in some cases) concentrated in places like Newport, Rhode Island and the Hudson Valley in New York state.
also Americans are obsessed with making things big
@@eduardosanmiguel8132 the difference between these people in America and in Cuba the Americans didn't actually own anyone ....
@@davet.5493 I think we’re forgetting how the working conditions were during those years
@@davet.5493 Slavery was only legally abolished in America in 1865 and it probably persisted a few more years in swathes of the south because laws take time to have actual real effects. Cuba was a part of Spain until 1898, then during the next 2/3 years all Spanish businessmen cashed out and money flew back to Spain leading to a hike in investment and, thus, the end of slave ownership by Spaniards. The Spanish entrepreneur and slave trader mentioned in the video, the Marquess of Comillas, was in his 40s during the American civil war. So, no, he probably had a few business meetings with American slave owners during his time in Cuba.
@@davet.5493 Yeah you just erased all the native americans from north america xd
In Catalonia there's a route of Indianos....villages like Sant Pol de Mar or Sitges and so on.
This happened to Italians too I wonder if they have a term for those people.
Yes, Ndrangheta🤣🤣. Many went to Australia around the same times and still reside there (Griffith NSW and it's region, and also Melbourne, beeing the headquarters of overseas Calabrian self made millionaires and investors)
The Italians went to South America. Especially to Argentina. Uruguay and Brazil. When the second world war started i guess.
@@Francisco_Olmedo yep, some came here after WW2, although the vast majority came here before, during the second half of the nineteenth century
one should not apply the morals of today to the past. different people, different times.
its the same for Italians and Argentina or USA … its the need for Europeans of poorer background to SURVIVE in an Europe ravaged by Napoleonic wars, independence wars, the Austrian vs Prussian, the German vs France… Europe only had peace in the 30 odd years between 1880 and 1912…
My grandgrand father emigrated to Filipinas. And my family stills in Filipinas. Sugar and tobacco landlords
Roxas/Zobel?
Los más grandes negreros fueron los reinos africanos y los árabes. Que no se olvide!
The "indianos" did what the Englishmen, Frenchmen from the 18th. and 19th. centuries did all the time. No reason to feel guilty. It's the European mentality of the time.
The French, just like the Spanish, also built fortunes in Mexico. There are some towns in southern France that were built or sustained primarily from returning affluent French-Mexican capitalists.
I know you reference the French in Canada and the U.S. largely in the 18th century, but in Mexico this happened in the 19th and into the early 20th century (and today in Mexico, as a result, French genetic ancestry is the 2nd most common European ancestry after Spanish). The French were already immigrating to Mexico even as it was still a colonial Spanish viceroyalty prior to independence and influenced Mexican food/gastronomy, music, and dress.
You should feel guilty. Europe's power and influence *today* is a direct result of your ancestors unsavory colonial practices, which the new generations of europeans benefit from to this very day. Africa, India and South America were all bled dry by Europe. Literally thousands of tons of gold, jewels, silk and virtually anything else that European settlers could get their grubby little hands on, all of it was stolen. You are nothing but a bunch of thieves, pillagers and pirates and you are delusional if you think we will let you forget this anytime soon. This is not ancient history, this was just a few centuries ago, we are not evolved as a society to the point where colonialism can be brushed off as "ancient history". Not even close buddy.
@@saintemile3086 Africa, India and South America ? Silk ? 😌 Se te acaba de ver el plumero.
@@evarubio9904 Silk from India and gold and diamonds from Africa and South America
@@saintemile3086 And China ?
Confront the past in the past not in the present... It is not justice, it is seeking revenge...
Revenge? That's taking it to another extreme. LOL. All we want is the WHOLE history to be told, not just bits and pieces that make people feel warm and fuzzy. Because cherry-picking information to make you feel happy is called propaganda, not true history. I'm just glad that Barcelona took down the statue of the slave-trader and renamed the plaza that carried his name.
What about correcting a historical wrongdoing? Sometimes it's not too late to correct course.
What if they didn't have the means to confront the past?
@@Luboman411 Aquí no se cuenta toda la historia , se hace un penoso trabajo mezclando décadas distintas , siglos distintos , hablan del comercio de esclavos y ponen imágenes de principios del siglo XX ¡Qué desastre !🤦
@@ABC-ABC1234
@@laique8797 I wasn't talking about this in particular, just in general. certain historical wrongs can't be corrected in that same time frame for several reasons.
it's the same in England. Those palatial mansions speaks for itself. Cuba was a preferred destination for many, and whilst you have had to be entrepreneurial and hard working, many also settled and lived there rather than come back. Once the war with the US was over, decoupling and selling off its holding, banks and companies in Cuba, also meant that a large bulk of that wealth transfer was invested back into their homeland provinces, hence Bilbao, Madrid and Santander's fortunes. Those that did not emigrate to Cuba, sailed to Colombia, Argentina, Chile and Mexico.
The British medial for ever bad report and the stranger form of past to history of Spain. The British old negreros of history
Great grandfather was very wealthy from Spain and owned land in Puerto Rico in the city today called Fajardo. The Americans invaded and we lost the entire property of what today is a town. He left to Spain and my grandfather became impoverished
Generational wealth always has a dark past
There is no dark pass here so stfu
Not always. In fact, almost never. Most people went there, made money improving the places they went to and then return to their homeland when they retired with enough money to live more comfortably back at home.
I see literally no problem here. Arriba España
El cuento de los esclavistas me recuerda mucho al tema de Pablo Escobar "la esclavitud fue un hecho miserable pero fue lo que funcionaba. La Barcelona que conocemos es debida a fulanito de tal" jaja -un Colombiano
Mis bisabuelos fueron de Asturias a México cuando eran niños
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For obvious reasons no such problem in the town of Chillingbourne.
We agree. We must face our past.
How did they get their wealth back to Spain?
Even Mother Spain is succumbing to this woke Communist-socialist cultural cancel culture revolution, slavery is bad but it doesn't mean erasing the past and removing statues and renaming plazas, this is just petty; my ancestors came from the Basque region and many of his fellows settled here in the Philippines, too bad not a lot of them made the same fortunes as those in the Americas and returned home as Indianos; a similar thing occurred in China where men from Fujian left for South East Asia, then under the Europeans and made fortunes and some intermarried with the Spanish women, they would build mansions in places like Gulangyu island, colonial style palaces partially built with materials from the colonies as a testament to their fortunes, they pretty much started the whole China Deco style of architecture and are similar in looks and feel as the ones in Northern Spain although the difference is that they never took part in the slave trade that was almost none existent in the Asian colonies, they made fortunes in agriculture, fisheries, trading, logging and finance. If the Indianos planted palms as a reminder of Cuba then the Fujian Chinese used Classical columns and stone arches as a reminder of the colonies like Spanish Philippines, British Malaya, Dutch East Indies and French Indo-China.
Wow, someone can’t handle basic historical truth.
Most of those "indianos" weren't slave owners or traders. A massive majority were honest common people and just a minority became as rich as to build a mansion or a hospital. My great grandparent made enough money after years of working hard to buy a house and more lands to keep on being the peasant he was before going to Cuba, but he gained a better life for his children.
@@zico739 Historical truth is what the BBC says? or what any neurotic woke says? Do you own the truth? Are you aware that you can use historical truths and twist them until you project an image that is convenient for your ideological agenda?
@@jonayz8655 No se puede decir mejor , incluso algunos ni construían ese tipo de casas tan ostentosas.
Europe's power and influence today is a direct result of your ancestors unsavory colonial practices, which the new generations of europeans benefit from to this very day. Now you want to pretend like this didn't happen, like it's "in the past" but yet you refuse to give back the endless amount of resources that your people stole (many of which are STILL in YOUR museums). The Crown of England is still incrusted with giant stolen african diamonds. Africa, India and South America were all bled dry by Europe, literally thousands of tons of gold, jewels, silk and virtually anything else that European settlers could get their grubby little hands on, all of it was stolen. You are nothing but a bunch of thieves, pillagers and pirates and you are delusional if you think we will let you forget this anytime soon. This is not ancient history, this was just a few centuries ago, we are not evolved as a society to the point where colonialism can be brushed off as "ancient history". Not even close buddy.
Slave Traders!
"Negreiros" as we call in Brazil.
The grand historic 19th century mansions in my country, Brazil, were also built by men related to the slave trade from Africa to the Americas. Most of these men came from rural areas of Portugal and emigrated to Brazil at a very young age. I think the same happened with Cuba and Spain.
🇬🇧 = 🏴☠️
My grandsmothers uncle Jose Menendez Vina he was wealthy in cuba his brother Jesus was my granmothers father she was born in cuba 1918 her name carmen menendez
El Marques de Comillas si esta acreditado que hizo negocio con la esclavitud,
¿Y qué hay de los Indianos del siglo 16 que volvieron desde Perú? a Trujillo de Extremadura, por ejemplo...
disfruta el Cuzco, dá las gracias que se lo dejamos como se lo dejamos
我上幼儿园的时候有一个老师和一个小朋友同学，都很像茜茜公主
“Yes, we exploited the slaves in the Americas…but look at all the nice things we built with the blood money! Aren’t our nice things nice?”
Yeah, they're so annoying
For that no one better than the english and anglosaxon americans; knows the whole world
@@Lacteagalaxia Whataboutism
@@ChicoCabra No, just pointing out hypocrisy. At least they're not living on stolen land.
@@twilightofthezone No hypocrisy, only in your mind. The countries Paquito mentions are working on their colonial past, Spain isn't. And many people in Spain's only answer to the colonial past is deflecting and whataboutism.
The classic "y tú más".
I remember Galvano Fiamma
Me cuesta creer que toda esa riqueza no tuvo que ver con la esclavitud
Si por supuesto creer lo malo es más fácil que creer lo bueno. ¿Qué te parecería si te digo que me cuesta creer que tú te ganes la vida hnonradamente y que todo lo que tú tienes no lo hayas ganado robando o traficando?¿Te parecería justo? pues esto es lo mismo.
Literalmente 0 capacidad de reflexión, eh 😅😅 Monocultivos en el S. XIX. Si no se los llamaba esclavos era sólo nominalmente. Y mejor no hablemos de las numerosas revoluciones cubanas y de la represión y los campos de concentración de Weyler...
Teniendo en cuenta que este proceso migratorio del que se habla en el video sucedió tras el cese de la esclavitud, entre 1860 y 1940... es bastante difícil que tenga algo que ver.
@@Alejojojo6 no, todavía había esclavos y los españoles se iban a enriquecer gracias a esa esclavitud. La Guerra de los Diez Años, Guerra del 68 o Guerra Grande (1868-1878), también conocida en España como Guerra de Cuba, fue la primera de las tres guerras cubanas de independencia insurrectas contra las fuerzas coloniales españolas. Todavía había guerras porque no querían liberar a los cubanos porque se enriquecían gracias a eso. Aceptenlo, Europa no sería ni la mitad de rica si no fuera porque saquearon durante siglos a america y esclavizaron a toda África.
@@jonayz8655 la diferencia es que la esclavitud existio, en la época que se iban a hacer la América había esclavitud, ya venían de siglos de saquear a America, por favor, no sé escandalicen si se hicieron ricos gracias a saquear America con esclavos africanos.
y las fiestas de la palma?
English hypocresy. Speak first about your own miseries and then we talk
The slave trade is acknowledged in the history books, and as said, it was part of business at the time. Why are Africans, who also involved themselves heavily in the slave trade for profit, not indicted? It is no longer practised by Spain and Portugal, so that's the main thing. In US, Africa and other European countries, there is still human trafficking, also among Arab countries. Let's put history and the current practises in proper context. No need to vilify countries who traded slaves, as even the most upright Christians back in the day believed it was 'just business'. Also, let's not forget that white people were also sold into slavery (Irish, among others). We have these Indianos to thank for replenishing the Spanish coffers even hundreds of years later with their eye for architecture and beauty, and they created more jobs, more wealth that is still serving the countries...It's just a shame that Cuba fell to Communism, and Spain very nearly did, and that's an even worse evil to be vigilant about.
we know your history LoL your lies do not change this. there is shame in genocides. period.
Lies
Grab a book retarded.
Excellent video, I have to say.
Indianos are showed as complex group of people who made lots of good deeds but some made part of their fortune as slave traders.
Even though I recognise the history of defamation of the UK towards the past of the Spanish empire, this video is quite neutral and faithfully portrays reality.
No me seáis garrulos, el video es bastante imparcial y trata un tema que ni siquiera en españa se conoce bien.
La garrulada es seguir creyendo en la excelencia de la BBC , en España algunos decían " El modelo para TVE es la BBC " Yo hace mucho que dejé de creer tal cosa , ver como informan de ciertos lugares , sus filtros 🤦 es que ya no es este reportaje . Hablan de los que emigraron en el siglo XIX en la descripción del vídeo y después muestran montones de fotos de principios del siglo XX , es muy tramposo .
Muy interesante el documental , muy educativo para la nueva generación pegada de celulares..... paso a paso la historia de la humanidad desaparecen........!!!!! Estoy esperando la parte 2.....!!!!
great eye opener
Que asco... Que vergüenza...
Very interesting video!
Sacaron, se llevaron tantísimo de lo que ahora es México, u otros países de Latinoamerica y ellos se enriquecieron muchísimo. Algunos se quedaron a vivir también en México, y son familias que todavía guardan esa herencia y esa riqueza.
Son de las familias más ricas de México y conservan esos apellidos.
Se apoyan mucho entre ellos. Y tienen mucho poder también hasta político.
La verdad quisiera haber nacido en alguna de esas familias.
Estos españoles son unos perros, todos, colonizadores y esclavizadores. Siempre robándole a otros
Depende. Muchos Mexicanos descendidos de españoles, ya no se refieren tanto a la descendencia española.
Hay mas solidaridad Mexicana, por lo menos mas que antes. No niego que si hay algunos que todavia ven a lo indigena como algo aparte o peor. Pero veo que se ha disminuido ya que ahora estamos todos mas unidos con una mente mas nacionalista, y en especial en cualquier conversacion en contraste o oposicion con Estados Unidos.
Te puedo decir que entre mi familia (que algunos pueden trazar sus antepasados españoles al siglo 19) se han casado con personas de otras regiones con procedencia mas alta indigena que española, y todos se llevan igual.
Estamos mas bien con una mentalidad de que todos estamos juntos en esta vida con los mismos problemas y demas.
Amistades se hacen por donde quiera. Claro mi familia no es de la CDMX, y quiza ahi las cosas son diferentes. Pero aun asi creo que lo dices es menos comun ahora a excepcion de algunos lugares en minoria.
El 85% de los mexicanos tienen al menos un antepasado español.
@@danmur2797 Pues yo conozco a algunas familias que sí. Y conservan su historia,su pasado español con orgullo.
Contribuyeron inmensamente creando industrias que emplean en la actualidad a cientos de personas.
Well.....
That's not so true. In Catalunya were a LOT of indianos. And in the coast itself. You don't need to go to a lost town una poor region. In Costa Brava you find Indianos houses, in Barcelona you do so, etc.....
Yes this story and villages are very cute, but here there was also an important part of indianos, the good and the bad ones.
The Partagàs Cigar's family or some part decided to live in Barcelona,for example.
También eran pobres , por muy catalanes superiores que fueran , por eso emigraban 🤦
I would like to live in one of those mansions
@@Latinoamerica837 Deja ya el odio y la cizaña , la mayoría de las casas que se ven en este reportaje de 💩 no tienen absolutamente nada que ver con el comercio de esclavos , son gente que emigró a Cuba a principios del siglo veinte y trabajó muy duramente , normalmente en el comercio , sólo unos pocos triunfaron, muchos volvieron cuando consiguieron el dinero justo para comprar una casita humilde, la BBC está cada vez cayendo más bajo ,es pura desinformación ,esta gente pudo hacer el esfuerzo de leer algo sobre este tema , hay publicados libros muy interesantes .
Wah Wah 😭 get over it
So they were new riches with a tacky taste?
It's like modern day UAE or Singapore, poor Europeans go to those places, make good money and return to Europe with a horrible new rich culture.
Old legs
And there is me who thought these are Indian peoples who moved to Spain.
Wokismo puro
Good to hear some important Spanish voices speak up about this topic. Countries unwilling to deal with the darker issues of the past tend to continue harboring racism and sugarcoated Nationalism. I'm currently living in a country who's more or less swept their negotiation with the Nazis that enabled all their neighboring countries to be occupied, by letting the Nazis use territory for invasion of them, if they left after. Their freedom in exchange for their neighbor's. No big surprize the Nationalists with Neonazi history and sympathies are now in political power never before seen in a right wing coalition where their divisive and outrageous policies are not only taken seriously, they are being turned into public policy, changing the entire country.
It seems remaining neutral and exempt from the horrors of war, as successful as it was for the post war economy, it's detrimental force in the future may be. Healthy inventory of past history, and shining a light on the reality of peoples who didn't get to write the history books, ie those who weren't "winners", is incredibly important to any society. Amnesia has you committing the crimes of your father in perpetuity and will inadevertantly destroy what took generations to build, and nobody will sympathise.
It's just part of the human condition. If you don't deal with it, fear will rule, and where it does, evil thrives.
Shine a light on the darkness, discuss it, and there's a way to reconciliation, reparation, acceptance and tremendous strength in the future. The Spanish speaking on the subject here obviously understand this, so there is hope.
Y los esclavos cuentos de miles blancos?
Por qué en cuba había un capitalismo y en españa no? Por qué no se desarrolló?
"Behind every great fortune there is a great crime." -Balzac
And Europeans still deign to celebrate making fortunes off the suffering they caused to indigenous and African slave populations.
Africanos y Árabes también colaboraron y muchos
Despues de ver este documental todo mundo es Indiano! Y muchos comentan en Ingles? No "peak espanish " cambiaron el moralito por una bolsa de broche! Jajaja!
The traders build their wealth on slave labor as well, since sugar, coffee and tobacco were produced by slaves. It is one thin layer removed from direct slave trade.
All Europeans got that blood money some how
yes... like...all arabs, all chinese, all indians, all aztecs, all... do you understand?
As an African I demand my rights
I have no sympathy for them or their suffering. Viva Cuba
Tell the truth. The Moors built modern Spain.
No they didn't
The moors simply advanced the things the Romans had built in Iberia
The base of spanish civilisation was the romans, although the moor brought a lot of things to it and there is nothing wrong about it.
And you still think the Moors were Black 😂👍 right, have you found a old paintings of the time?
hhhahahahahahahahahahaha good joke, please, read some history
Thieves and robbers
How is demonizing entrepreneurs working out for Cuba, now? The world is not zero-sum.
Cree el ladrón que todos son de su condición. Go translate that one, mate.
@@El_Carrito_del_Helao ¡ Menuda manipulación la de estos personajillos ! La mayoría de esa emigración era de principios del siglo 20 , nada que ver con los esclavos , que asco de gente .
Not as much as the empires from Anglosaxon origin. The slavery and genocide of the British is far worse than anything said here. Historical facts matter mate.
@@mnnic4292 Whataboutism
Advanced forms of capitalism - super exploitation? 😂
"some" or most
All these people should now help Cuba in return!
The responsable of Cuba's misery are USA and UK so let them help!!
@@mikelamatria3610 The responsable is the Castro regime, communism destroyed any incentives to build private industries.
Cuba was a fairly wealthy country at the end of the 19th/ beginning of the 20th Century. Maybe it was the American invasion in 1898 that screwed the country forever. Just saying.
All those people contributed to the development of Cuba. It's the US invasion of 1898 that destroyed the country. All those house were built after the "independence" (occupation by the US) of Cuba & Puerto Rico and Mexico had been independent since 1821. Don't mix things up.
Qué fácil está resultando este juego de "Encuentra al español"
El reportajito es taaan serio que en la descripción habla del siglo XIX y lo ilustra con cantidad de fotos de principios del siglo XX que seguramente le habrán prestado los descendientes de los indianos asturianos que salen en el reportaje y que nunca hubieran pensado que serían utilizados para insultar de tal manera a sus antepasados recientes .
@@evarubio9904 No me sorprende que no entiendas lo escrito en inglés, pero encima de que te ponen subtítulos en castellano para ayudarte a entender lo que están diciendo en el vídeo, que sigas distorsionando lo que explican porque han herido tu orgullo es como para hacérselo mirar.
@@ChicoCabra " Hacérselo mirar " esa expresión lo dice todo, me da igual que sugieras que soy prácticamente analfabeta y estúpida , no me afecta, como documento historiográfico no vale nada , es confuso, mezcla épocas distintas , eso se ve en los comentarios, la gente que no es española , no se enteró de nada, hasta se burlan diciendo que esas casas no son tan buenas como las que construían ingleses o americanos porque claro,una cosa es el millonario hecho a sí mismo, la tierra de las oportunidades, eso funciona sólo para los anglos, si un español tenía una buena casa tenía que ser fruto de la actividad delictiva , del comercio de esclavos aunque el comercio de esclavos había acabado décadas antes, pero el problema es mi incapacidad para entender , claro, te hablan del comercio de esclavos y ponen imágenes de una jira campestre de los años 20 .
@@evarubio9904 Joder, vaya cacao que tienes. No entiendes nada.
El comentario al que te refieres, y que parece que también te ha ofendido (piel fina, fina) lo que dice es que las casas a las que le recuerdan son más grandes, y no se burla en ningún momento. Pero todo lo tienes que llevar a no sé qué de los "anglos". Ese fantasma que tanto aterroriza a los españoles ultra nacionalistas.
@@evarubio9904 es un troll
One day all those fortune have to go back to Cuba.
Cuba was a wealthy country then. Wealthier than Spain. So how & why?
Unfortunately the US occupation in 1898 destroyed Cuba.
@@StuartMedinaMiltimore cuba wasn’t a wealthy country but a colony. Such wealth was built upon the back of slavery( let that sink in) so yeah: reparation as to be paid back to the people of cuba that are in need of that economic stimulus, to continue to fight the criminal embargo that has been imposed (unilaterally) by the USA.
@@jean-christophepinchinat7979 actually they should be enslaved
@@ferbsol2334 they are still! By the illegal embargo upon them for 50yrs +! You should try ti be more sarcatic!
at that time Cuba was part of Spain, the indianos also built lotta stuff in Cuba you know. The first railroad in Spain was built in Cuba.
y a pedir perdon a los pueblos indigenas que no se les olvide.
Necesito antes el perdón de Roma😂
Viva España 🇨🇺🇪🇸
It's sad you feel the need to fly a Spanish flag next to a Cuban flag and not see the irony.
@@Alaskan-Armadillo Cuba was created by the Spanish before them there was nothing there but jungle and many Cubans are proudly of Spanish descent.
@@alanalabella88 Cuba just like the rest of Latin America has a long Pre-Columbian history and culture. It is very similar with parts of Europe where there are groups of people that don't identify with their 'home countries' and refer to their pre-roman ancestors instead.
@@alanalabella88 I would also like to add that Jose Marti himself felt that Cubans should be taught more about the Pre-Columbian history of Cuba and the America's instead of look to the ancient civilizations of Europe. It is honestly just said because the current regime would rather that Cubans live in extreme poverty as European hotel chains exploit their labor and take the capital back with them to Spain and give the other half to the government.
@Matias D.C ojalá otra vez y en Inglaterra y Chile por pringados
Todo está vuelve a suscitar la perene pregunta: por qué es el español promedio tan ignorante de las colonias y sus pueblos y los trata con desdecho? Por qué el español sigue sintiendose tan superior?
Bueno. Es una idea interesante basada en tópicos y prejuicios. Conoces poco a España. Es uno de los pocos países del mundo con complejo de inferioridad y en donde llevar banderas es algo malo para muchas personas. La perenne pregunta sería: por qué los pueblos de sudamérica no son capaces de responsabilizarse de su presente sin echarle la culpa a los demás?.
Nadie glorifica la colonización. Simplemente pasó y las nuevas generaciones no nos responsabilizamos de lo que hicieron hace cientos de años. Así de simple.
@@FranciscoCamino Nadie habló del legado español, bueno y malo, en América así que no cambies el tema con fin de evadirlo. >> El tema es la ignorancia y arrogancia del español típico en la actualidad frente al 'sudaca'.
@@chacmool2581 Cuando hablas de arrogancia del “español medio”, lo haces en base a cuantos miles de españoles que conoces?. No sé pero jamás se me ocurriría generalizar con respecto a ningún pueblo del planeta. Quizás hay mucho menos desprecio a Sudamérica, de lo que Sudamérica nos odia. Y aun en este caso, no me atrevería a generalizar. Pendejos hay en todos los lados. Es simplemente ignorancia, prejuicios e incultura venga de un sitio u otro.
@@FranciscoCamino Tú nunca entenderás porque no eres, cómo suelen decir Uds. 'sudaca'. La fama del español esta bien arraigada. Diría que después del francés, Uds. son los más insoportables de Europa. He tratado con mucho español fuera y dentro de España.
@@chacmool2581 Te recuerdo todos los “adjetivos feos” que en Sudamérica aplican a los españoles, o no te conviene escucharlos?. Aún así, juzgar a personas de forma global, por el pasaporte que tienen es un poco irracional. He sido maltratado en muchos países de hispanoamérica sin haber hecho nada. Y aún así, jamás se me ocurriría verter odio hacia nadie. Poco importa que me desprecien. Sé juntarte con las personas adecuadas.
Me gustaría saber tu nacionalidad porque seguro que habrás nacionalidades a las que no tratáis especialmente bien. Antes de juzgar mira tu propio ombligo. Pero si sigues con el discurso del odio, y del tópico, creo que te hará daño como ser humano.
Tu mismo…
São espanhóis escravocratas. Obrigado pela contribuição a compreensão deste período da História da Escravidão Moderna na Europa Hispânica.
Hoje em dia Zara ''''explora'''' a mão de obra barata da Asia sem problemas eticos. Voce mesmo não vai querer pagar mais caro por uma roupa só para melhorar a vida de alguem em Bangaladesh ..........kkkkkkkkkkkkk
El 45,9% del negocio de la esclavitud fue llevado acabo por esclavistas portugueses. The Volume and Structure of the Transatlantic Slave Trade: A Reassessment
Author(s): David Eltis
Portugal fue uno de los primeros países europeos en establecer colonias en África. Durante el período colonial, Portugal se basó en gran medida en la mano de obra esclava, principalmente de África, para desarrollar estas colonias y extraer recursos como oro, marfil y ESCLAVOS.
@@marcosffontes, cara, isto não é tribunal para impingir responsabilidades a um ou outro. O material postado, quem estuda História sabe, colabora de fato para compreender
1. onde foi parar a riqueza construída na pilhagem das Américas?
2. com tanta riqueza acumulada porque Espanha e Portugal não são economias ricas, destacadas na Europa?
Reparations please.
There is not a “dark past”. These men simply lived - and made their fortune - by doing what a rich man would do. A rich man would put himself in such business (eg. trading slaves). It is a mistake to judge them with modern eyes.
Trabajando desde los 12 años
Stolen wealth
La cuestión es de qué forma contribuyeron, o no, al desarrollo y a las economías de donde extrajeron sus riquezas. Qué hizo el Imperio Español con todo lo que saqueó de sus colonias de América? A mediados del Siglo XIX parece que grandes partes de España estaban subdesarrolladas. Qué legado nos dejaron los españoles? Colonización original y colonizaciones posteriores? Hasta hoy en día llegan corporaciones y bancos de España para invadir nuevamente?
Vosotros los habitantes sois el legado que dejó España señor "Jiménez" , sus tatarabuelos los esclavistas y los "saqueadores"y después de más de doscientos años son ustedes sus tatarabuelos y descendientes responsables de sus miserias y bendiciones.
Arturo, ¿a que eres otro llorón mexicano😂😂?
El oro, el oro…
300 años de virreinato los convierten en regiones prósperas y justas incluso comparadas con Europa o los Estados Unidos, según Alexander von Humboldt.
Cito literalmente:
“El agricultor indio es pobre pero libre. Su situación es mucho mejor que la de los campesinos del norte de Europa, en especial rusos y alemanes. El número de esclavos es prácticamente cero.”
“¡Esto debe saberse en Europa! Los mineros mexicanos son los mejores pagados del mundo, ellos reciben de seis a siete veces más salario por su labor, que un minero alemán.”
“La Nueva España tiene una ventaja notable sobre los Estados Unidos, y es que el número de esclavos, así africanos como de raza mixta, es casi nulo. El número de esclavos africanos en los Estados Unidos pasa de un millón, que es la sexta parte de su población.”
"Ninguna ciudad de América, sin exceptuar las de Estados Unidos, puede exhibir tan grandes y solidas instituciones científicas como la Ciudad de México. La capital y otras ciudades de México, tienen establecimientos científicos que llevará a una comparación con las de Europa.”
Y 200 años de independencia los convierten en un país del tercer mundo con el 40% del territorio original (los gringos les roban el otro 60%, pero eso lo esconden debajo de la alfombra, no se vaya a enfadar el amo yanqui).
A mamarla, que te pida perdón tu tatarabuelo que el mío se quedó en España, bobo.
Créame , la mayoría de las casas que salen son construidas por personas que emigraron a Cuba en los primeros años del siglo XX , no tienen nada que ver con el colonialismo, son gente que tenía que irse y buscar fortuna , muy pocos lo lograron, como es lógico , había varios hermanos , excepto el mayor , los demás tenían que buscarse la vida .
España dejó en América los países más desarrollados del continente, y algunos más que Europa, como bien escribió Humbolt. 200 años después, independientes, casi todos en la ruina por sus propios gobiernos.
A ver zoquete, ¿no has visto que en España habia pobreza y que América era más rica?¿Qué tipo de potencia colonial hace que sus colonias sean más ricas que la propia metrópolis?¿Qué tipo de explotación es esa? Te lo digo porque seguro que muchos países pobres del mundo desearían que les explotasen así. ¿No será que tu cuento de la explotación colonial no es cierto? No será que España no fue tan mala después de todo. El ver que habia españoles que tenían que emigrar a América no te hace cuestionarte ni un solo punto de tu credo absurdo y llorón? Si no lo haces es que te falta un agua carnal.
You can see tens to hundreds of casas indianas if you do that Camino De Santiago northern route .. absolutely amazing. I’ve made a few videos on them as well as videos talking about the immigration between the Canary Islands and Cuba.
It wasn't just to Cuba, but do you have the link to the videos?