Was in GW Birmingham UK this morning and chap told me they’d need some work to get them to fit. I hope this doesn’t leave MKIII and MKIV redundant with regards to future releases.
@@OptimusMonk01 This. WHY arnt they. Then again he is using a old box. Have we seen the new box sprues yet? Yes my assumption is they are identical. But what if, IF, for a change GW actually thought ahead and changed out the arm sprue for a new one that is stubbed like the Mk VIs
We still have the Forge World resin special weapons and heavy weapons for the MKIII and MKIV, and I doubt there will be many other extra sprues for future releases. We already have the legion specific shoulder pads for the MKIII and MIIV, and I'm not sure what other stuff there will be, now that they already have the special and heavy weapons for MKVI.
Tactical Support Squads were always 5-10 marines. Getting muddled with regular Tactical Squads, I think. You didn't often see units of 5 just cause of how dangerous the battlefield of the 31st millennium can be!
It's a shame with the spare space on the sprue they didn't put some extras like piles of spent ammo, spare charges etc. Not a big thing but it would have been cool. I'm not into the heresy but I can defo see myself using some of these.
I have the older ones Everything is Magnatised Prefer older guns with extra ammo, ammo feeds to Backpacks More realistic ammo loadout Rotorgun out of ammo after 10 seconds lol on new kit
I'd just use both MK VI arms on the Mk III and IV bodies, then save the older pattern arms and bolters to use on regular MK VI tactical squads. When you drop the shoulder pads in place it's hard to tell the difference.
Seems like it's going to be super finnicky with the wrist attachment. Especially considering you'll probably be able to get the mk6s for $15-20 per 10 on ebay after a while due to AoD box parting.
Are the new marines in this box the size of the new 1st born? Could you do a scale comparison to 1st born, new chaos and intercessors for example? Thanks Ash, really glad to see how much your chanel has grown and love your content.
I haven’t got my hands on those sadly, but luckily the older kits came with those on the frame so if you’ve got like 4+ kits and don’t mind making a combi sarge or something you can just use the ones they came with.
It kinda blows my mind they intentionally designed the MkVI's to not be backwards/cross compatible!? Then they go and leave money on the table by not making a sprue of compatible MkIII and MkIV left arms either.
I shaved hands off the bolters for my 40k Chaos Marines to get one handed bolters for my Havoc champs and Chosen so it's not much of an issue if you're already getting inventive with your minis with kitbashes and conversions anyway.
How well would these fit on 40k CSM models? I'm thinking of using the volkite stuff to represent plasma and melta, largely because they are cooler looking guns but also partly because the new Chaos knight makes me wonder if the Legions are going to be getting access to volkite weapons what with access to the Dark Mechanicum and tech-marines who were around during the Great Crusade and all. Edit: also how well do the new beakies accept parts from the Mk.III and Mk.IV if I wanted to kitbash some Mk.V armour? Actually some of the new Mk.X stuff would be a good standin for Mk.IV come to think of it...
The problem with using older armour mark weapons with VI would be the lack of an open left hand to hold the older guns. A lot of cross compatibility was lost, from when all Space Marine kits had the same way of holding their guns, but I think it’s worth the sacrifice to get the much better looking arms and getting rid of the giant U shaped left hand they all used to have.
Em... guys, I was expecting you to actually show how to put these together and how do they match - take one MK3 and one MK4 model and match them with guns. If I want to look at sprue and take a wild guess, I could do that on Games Workshop's website, alright?
This is completely unrelated but are you gonna play the new Dystopian Wars? You had a beta game like 3 years ago. I tried it today and thought it was good.
Only in veteran squads, which are more like your typical 40k tactical squad. Heresy is all about specific squads for specific roles, similar to primaris
@@liamramsey1411 yes, they can usually swap the bolter for a melee weapon, combined with their pistol. Can also upgrade the pistol, and certain sergeants can take combi weapons. Not sure on tacticals in 2.0 but believe they could before
They are designed specifically for the VIs. Its the III and IV that everyone was curious about. Cause why have Weapons that wont work on 2/3 of the troop boxes your putting out?
The Heavy Weapons come with their own arms, which are in the MK VI style, they might be passable on some marines but would probably look a little out of place on Mks II and III
I think this upgrade thing is just terrible! just another excuse for them to get more money out of people, this stuff used to be in all!! plastic kits. I think this will just make people buy third party ones or print their own as they will be cheaper. But I am super happy to see you guys covering everything for HH :-) I have been drawn to it alot over the last two years or so just the style of painting and gaming seeing it as a more historical game and again the style is just soooo damn good ha
Wouldve been good to see a couple of fully made up mk3's or mk4's with the mk6 weapons to actually see the therory given form
That's literally what people assumed was in the video. Silly us.
Answering burning questions! I would love to see a BFG game tied into a Horus Heresy game with the new rules.
Thanks for all the effort you put in to cranking out so many great videos so quickly. I'm looking forward to the campaign.
Holy crap! This channel has EVERYTHING! Thanks so much
Beautiful work here.
Now I know what is needed to be done for my MK IV themed Night Lords
Was in GW Birmingham UK this morning and chap told me they’d need some work to get them to fit. I hope this doesn’t leave MKIII and MKIV redundant with regards to future releases.
@@Eddyvanjones then you think they would have made them compatible
@@OptimusMonk01 This. WHY arnt they. Then again he is using a old box. Have we seen the new box sprues yet? Yes my assumption is they are identical. But what if, IF, for a change GW actually thought ahead and changed out the arm sprue for a new one that is stubbed like the Mk VIs
@@Eddyvanjones duh
@@memnarch129 we have seen the sprues of the reissues Mkiv and mkiii. It’s just a straight reissue and rebox. New moulds would cost 10s of thousands
We still have the Forge World resin special weapons and heavy weapons for the MKIII and MKIV, and I doubt there will be many other extra sprues for future releases. We already have the legion specific shoulder pads for the MKIII and MIIV, and I'm not sure what other stuff there will be, now that they already have the special and heavy weapons for MKVI.
The important question is
... can i get away with the mini guns as chaos space marine havoks with chain cannon
They’re a bit small but I’d say it’s fair game!
@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames what about (bling aside) as Thousand Sons Soulreaper Cannons?
Gw says it's fine soo it's fine ☺️
I believe the sound of volkite weapons is officially “choom”
Yeah, the cannon noise is Chhooooom
Yup! That’s the noise that volkite makes in Master of Mankind; Aaron Dembski-Bowden wrote it in.
That’s a good point about the hands. I’ll stick with the resin sets for mk3/4 I think.
Totally got what you were talking about; the death rays from War of the Worlds!
Good reference!
They really need to remake the Mk III and IV kits to be to scale and compatible with the new Mk VI kits.
Hopefully someone makes good STLs! That'd be the best case scenario rather than having to chop up minis.
Tactical Support Squads were always 5-10 marines. Getting muddled with regular Tactical Squads, I think.
You didn't often see units of 5 just cause of how dangerous the battlefield of the 31st millennium can be!
Yeah if I'm not mistaken tactical Marines for the only thing forced to take a minimum of 10. All other infantry squad started at 5.
@@MyNameIsntReallyNate tactical and assault
@@MyNameIsntReallyNate and breachers and despoilers
Glad to know these will fit my mark 3 marines.
With a bit of trimming!
You’ve risen even higher in my estimation you chose the greatest legion with the greatest Primarch.
It's a shame with the spare space on the sprue they didn't put some extras like piles of spent ammo, spare charges etc. Not a big thing but it would have been cool.
I'm not into the heresy but I can defo see myself using some of these.
They absolutely make the War of the Worlds death ray noise, there's no doubt in my mind 😂
Now why would they intentionally do this I wonder…?
Volkite's just fire heat rays right? I kinda imagine them making a sizzling sound, as they superheat the air between muzzle and target.
You could also get 3rd party arms from Pop Goes The Monkey which has handless poseable MK 3 and MK 4 arms.
I have the older ones
Everything is Magnatised
Prefer older guns with extra ammo, ammo feeds to Backpacks
More realistic ammo loadout
Rotorgun out of ammo after 10 seconds lol on new kit
I'd just use both MK VI arms on the Mk III and IV bodies, then save the older pattern arms and bolters to use on regular MK VI tactical squads. When you drop the shoulder pads in place it's hard to tell the difference.
It’s pretty noticeable on the MkIII arms with their greaves and studs, but the Mk4s will probably be pretty passable on the Mk6 marines.
Yeeees this is THE question I wanted answered, you are doing the God Emperors work.
I'm curious how easy it will be to magnetise the arms on the special and heavy weapon sprues
Seems like it's going to be super finnicky with the wrist attachment. Especially considering you'll probably be able to get the mk6s for $15-20 per 10 on ebay after a while due to AoD box parting.
So question. Can i use 40k weapons on these mkvi models? I want to make a horus heresy killteam and want them to have the right weapons
Bzzzzt Wrong, Support squads started at 5. I've had a support squad of Mk6 (resin) with plasma guns for close to 5 years now.
It's for this kind of sorcelry, i wil only do Space Marine MK VI squad...
Are the new marines in this box the size of the new 1st born? Could you do a scale comparison to 1st born, new chaos and intercessors for example?
Thanks Ash, really glad to see how much your chanel has grown and love your content.
So what I'm hearing is I can give my favorite Martian death rays to me favorite mark 4 armored Marines? This is good news.
Does it seem like the grips are all the same? Could magnetize the weapons?
GE electric minigun?? Time to get to the ATM machine because that sounds like an investment
really useful - thanks!
Hey Ash, big fan, been watching a ton of your HH2.0 coverage, great work! Do you think a wrist magnetization would work for these bad boys?
I recon we will see mkii or mkv soon with the same arrangement of hands
Doing the lawds work sir.
But are the Rotary Cannons GOOD now?
Are the alternative Mark box sets of 20 that are being released just a re-boxing or will they be new sprue frames???
Reboxing
Surprised the frames have so much unused space, definately had space for an extra weapon
or, you know, the backpacks/ammo kits that you'd expect.
The space should have been for extra arms for the MK III and MK IV
How about the heavy weapon upgrades, assuming they will take a bit of finesse to fit the older marks as well.
I haven’t got my hands on those sadly, but luckily the older kits came with those on the frame so if you’ve got like 4+ kits and don’t mind making a combi sarge or something you can just use the ones they came with.
Eight minutes for what I can tell you right now:
NO.
How is the size difference between the new Mk VI and the older MK III / IV's, the look a bit taller.
It kinda blows my mind they intentionally designed the MkVI's to not be backwards/cross compatible!? Then they go and leave money on the table by not making a sprue of compatible MkIII and MkIV left arms either.
That'll be the next solution to a self-made problem they sell.
I hate, HATE when they mold both hands on the guns. It is basically just to punish people who want to kitbash.
I shaved hands off the bolters for my 40k Chaos Marines to get one handed bolters for my Havoc champs and Chosen so it's not much of an issue if you're already getting inventive with your minis with kitbashes and conversions anyway.
How well would these fit on 40k CSM models? I'm thinking of using the volkite stuff to represent plasma and melta, largely because they are cooler looking guns but also partly because the new Chaos knight makes me wonder if the Legions are going to be getting access to volkite weapons what with access to the Dark Mechanicum and tech-marines who were around during the Great Crusade and all.
Edit: also how well do the new beakies accept parts from the Mk.III and Mk.IV if I wanted to kitbash some Mk.V armour? Actually some of the new Mk.X stuff would be a good standin for Mk.IV come to think of it...
Great idea!
The problem with using older armour mark weapons with VI would be the lack of an open left hand to hold the older guns.
A lot of cross compatibility was lost, from when all Space Marine kits had the same way of holding their guns, but I think it’s worth the sacrifice to get the much better looking arms and getting rid of the giant U shaped left hand they all used to have.
Minimum was always five maximum 10 in old HH rules set.
tactical Suppport squads were always 5-10
Volkites make a CHOOM noise!
Em... guys, I was expecting you to actually show how to put these together and how do they match - take one MK3 and one MK4 model and match them with guns. If I want to look at sprue and take a wild guess, I could do that on Games Workshop's website, alright?
Great vid, don't suppose you know if the forge world mk3 heads and shoulder pads fit the mk 6 marines?
I’ve got some but they’re built already… probably they’d fit fine but I don’t know about the scale
@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames really appreciate your reply, that's my concern, I'd really like to mix and match but worry they may look a little silly
@@dazmaulwargaming pads def do. Seen them on a thousand son. Heads should too, I've seen mk5
@@hamzahsajjad7952 fantastic news... thank you
Seriously they couldn’t finis filling those extra sprue holes?! COME ON GW…
Why don’t you just put the mark 6 arms onto the mark 4 bodies?
They have different bracers
Legion support squads were 5-10 in the previous edition
This is completely unrelated but are you gonna play the new Dystopian Wars? You had a beta game like 3 years ago. I tried it today and thought it was good.
You could put mk 6 arms on mk 3 and 4 bodies and switch out the shoulder pads and put the earlier mk arms and weapons on the mk 6 , less work : )
Can you confirm the new Vox bits work on MK3 backpacks?
They’ll need the post flattened slightly as there’s a tab on the mk6 one, but they should fit on any backpack with that trimmed.
@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames Thanks!
Can you have special weapons in an ordinary squad e.g. a squad of mk3 marines with one melta and the rest bolters?
Only in veteran squads, which are more like your typical 40k tactical squad.
Heresy is all about specific squads for specific roles, similar to primaris
@@leslielanghorn6681 can your sergeant have a different weapon or not?
@@liamramsey1411 yes, they can usually swap the bolter for a melee weapon, combined with their pistol. Can also upgrade the pistol, and certain sergeants can take combi weapons. Not sure on tacticals in 2.0 but believe they could before
@@leslielanghorn6681 ok, thanks.
So do these not fit on MK VI marines. Because I preordered the new Horus Heresy box and I was gonna try to modify them.
They are designed specifically for the VIs. Its the III and IV that everyone was curious about. Cause why have Weapons that wont work on 2/3 of the troop boxes your putting out?
They’re designed to fit those mk VI marines. Do you mean Mk IV?
@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames oh ok
Pew...Pew, Pew!!!!
Now what about the Heavy Weapons
Sadly don’t have those!
The Heavy Weapons come with their own arms, which are in the MK VI style, they might be passable on some marines but would probably look a little out of place on Mks II and III
Typo in the title
Hopefully they bring back MK2 with compatibility
remember the gi joe weapon card?
Thanks very helpfull
cool!
Great content Ash, very useful.
Hey btw check your email, I sent you a note that likely you will be glad to get.
I think this upgrade thing is just terrible! just another excuse for them to get more money out of people, this stuff used to be in all!! plastic kits. I think this will just make people buy third party ones or print their own as they will be cheaper. But I am super happy to see you guys covering everything for HH :-) I have been drawn to it alot over the last two years or so just the style of painting and gaming seeing it as a more historical game and again the style is just soooo damn good ha