Top 30 Strongest Fate/Zero & Stay Night Characters {Up to Heaven's Feel}
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*REASONING REGARDING THE TOP 10:*
*1) GILGAMESH (SERIOUS):* Artoria has high chances of defeating Gil, especially if he acts in character as it was a *WEAKENED / SHIROU’S version* of Saber the one that killed Gil in the Fate Route and not a *HYPOTHETICAL FULL POWER* Saber with Avalon.
However, because I didn’t want to trigger any Gilgamesh fans, I opted to take into account his clairvoyance ( *Sha Naqba Imuru* ) and assume he would use *Gate of Babylon* at its full potential.
*2) ARTORIA PENDRAGON [EXCALIBUR & AVALON]:* The only people that think *Regular Saber* is weaker than *Heracles* are those that haven't read the *VISUAL NOVEL* and therefore don't understand that *Shirou's servant* is *WAY WEAKER* than *Rin's* . It was directly stated in the visual novel that if Artoria had been at FULL POWER, Excalibur would have taken all of Herc's lives and not just 2, meaning *FULL POWER* Saber is, therefore, *6 TIMES Stronger* than Shirou's. Add to that *Avalon (EX RANK)* , and Saber blocks *Excalibur Morgan (A++ RANK)* and one-shots *Saber Alter* in close quarters GG.
*3) ARTORIA PENDRAGON (ALTER VERSION):* People claim she only defeated Herc because she had help of the Shadow however this isn't true. In the *VISUAL NOVEL* it was only stated Saber Alter = Herc when she *wasn't using her NP* . The moment she used *Excalibur Morgan (A++ RANK)* she took all of Herc's lives (just like Illya theorized in the Fate Route). That is why his body was rotting and Shirou only had to kill him once with *Nine Lives* to defeat him.
*4) HERACLES:* It is has been confirmed many times that Full Power Artoria can take down Berserker so him being at number 4 seems fair.
*5) GILLES DE RAIS (GIANT MONSTER FORM):* In his Monster Form, he was stronger than *Iskandar (w/ Gordius Wheel) + Base Saber + Diarmuid* . Even Iskandar with his *Ionioi Hetairoi (EX Rank)* couldn’t defeat him. Tokiomi even said that *only Ea (EX Rank) would be POWERFUL ENOUGH to take him down* , even though there are many Anti Fortress NPs in Gate of Babylon, meaning only *Excalibur level swords* can take down this beast. *Gigantic Horror* is without a doubt an *A+ level monster* and everyone who dismisses his feats is just being biased.
*6) ISKANDAR [IONIOI HETAIROI & GORDIUS WHEEL]:* With his Gordius Wheel (A+) With his Gordius Wheel (A+) he destroyed Lancelot. Later on in Fate / Zero, his *Ionioi Hetairoi* would prove to be op enough to destroy Assassin and to be *“worthy enough”* to make Gilgamesh use *Ea (EX)* . However, even at full power he couldn't defeat *Gilles de Rais* , proving that *FULL POWER Saber with EXCALIBUR* is stronger than him.
*7) MEDUSA [BELLEROPHON]:* You need a Excalibur level sword to take down Bellerophon .
*8) EMIYA [UNLIMITED BLADE WORKS]:* This guy can hold his own in close quarters against characters that are way stronger than him such as Cu Chulainn or Heracles.
He has *crazy STAMINA and MANA RESERVES* , capable of allowing him to fight Cu Chulainn, Block his Gae Bolg (B+ RANK) with Rho Aias, kill Medea, project UBW to fight Saber (Rin’s Servant), wait for an entire day with Rin as his prisoner, project UBW a second time to fight Shirou, survive Gil’s arrows, wait another day, project Rho Aias a second time to protect Shirou from Ea (VISUAL NOVEL) and snipe Gilgamesh, all of this mind you, *WITHOUT A MASTER GIVING HIM MANA* and at *1/10 OF HIS POWER* .
At long range, EMIYA will one-shot you either with *CALADBOLG II* or *EXCALIBUR IMAGE* (a degraded version of Excalibur that doesn’t take out all his mana).
If you fire your NP he’ll block it either with *Rho Aias* or with his own copy of that NP.
And at close quarters he’ll one-shot you either with *Nine Lives Blade Works* or with *Triple-Linked Crane Wings* , the skill Shirou used to *kill Saber Alter* in the VISUAL NOVEL.
No servant below him on the list stands a chance against him and even those slightly above him would get a run for their money or even a tied.
*9) LANCELOT [ARONDIGHT]:* Lancelot is one of the most durable servants, powerful enough to survive the charge of *Iskandar's Gordius Wheel* and a strike from *Saber’s sword* to the *head* . His mad enhancement is so high that it even allowed him to keep up with Gilgamesh. His control over Arondight seems to be sealed so he isn’t as high as his saber counterpart could have been, however, him pushing BASE Artoria to her limits should speak of how op he really was. *READ THE COMMENTS FOR MORE INFO ON BASE ARTORIA* .
*10) CÚ CHULAINN [GÁE BOLG]:* Cu Chulainn being TOP Tier is *FALSE* as Cu Chulainn *isn’t* even an *A RANK servant* in the first place (he can only rise to that level *momentarily* if he uses his *runes*). Even *Diarmuid* has been *STATED* to be *ON PAR* with him when they are both summoned in Ireland (where Cu gets access to a Castle NP) so *Cu (with Runes, Gae Bolg, and Castle NP)* being relative to *Diarmuid (who isn’t even Artoria without Excalibur level)* debunks him being a Top Tier Servant.
As for him fighting Gil for 12 hours, that isn't a Top tier feat. BERSERKER Lancelot has been STATED and SHOWN to be on par with Gate of Babylon thanks to Mad Enhancement and Knight of Owner, BERSERKER Heracles could have defeated Gil if he hadn't protected Illya, Diarmuid has been stated to be able to win the 4th Holy Grail War depending on his strategy, and Shirou Emiya defeated Gil 1v1.
Lasting half a day because Cu could use his Protection from Arrows and Disengage Skills to continuously evade projectiles and return battle conditions to what they were at the beginning of the match doesn't prove he's stronger than any of the servants that have performed as good or better than he did against Gilgamesh. Especially if we don't know how serious Gil was about fighting Cu.
The rest of the list shouldn't need much explanation.
7. It is a nerf Medusa you are talking about. Normal Medusa is a strong Servant not just with Sakura, even under Masters from Grand Order and Fate Extella still have the same stat (and also under Rin but we don't have the exact stat). Still agree that Zero Rider would most likely reach higher power.
@@anhdinhlamduc5700 still, saber was nerfed to so I believe the argument isn't that far fetched.
@@guesswho8556 i still think the placement is correct, just have problem with the statement that said she is a weak Sevant (or low tier Servant) without the Pegasus.
Lancer from ST is So underratted
@@dynias7282 why?
I’ve recently gotten into the Fate franchise. Finished watching F/Z, F/SN (UBW,HF) and F/A. And gotta say this list seems very accurate. Good job man.
Did you read the visual novel?
I’m not much one for talking Fate power levels but I like the video nonetheless^^
Hahha thanks man. You watching this video means a lot to me. Have a great day!!
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I think the real reason why Iskandar was not able to defeat Gigantic Horror was mainly just because Iskandar was a terrible match up for Gille because It was stated by Kirei that Iskandar's trump card was somewhat close to Gilgamesh"s Gate Of Babylon and when Gilgamesh attacked Gille we saw Gil completely holding back when he fired only 4 blades at the Gigantic horror and if you look carefully it had massive chunk holes blown out of it and it had a slight bit of trouble regenerating and that was just Gilgamesh when he was calm. If Gilgamesh was pissed off like when he fought Lancelot for the first time he probably would've easily annihilated both Gille and the entire Gigantic Horror in seconds just with his Gate Of Babylon. It was also stated by Diarmuid that if he was just able to expose Gille's Gigantic Horror and see it, his Gae Dearg could've had a chance of destroying it. But I 100% agree that Heracles would beat Iskandar. Correct me if I'm wrong with this information and if things were different in the Fate/Zero Visual Novel.
Gil with 100% of Gate of Babylon may indeed be able to take Gigantic Horror but Tokiomi's statement should be our prime guideline.
Tokiomi as Gil's master and after having learned of Ionio Hetairioi thought that only Ea would be able to take it down. It is stated in the visual novel that *Ea >= Excalibur* so Saber defeating Gilles de Rais when Iskandar couldn't makes sense lorewise.
Since a being that Iskandar couldn't defeat was one shoted by Excalibur, Ionio Hetairioi being weaker than one swing of said NP is true going by power scaling. This was confirmed in Gil's fight against iskandar when Ea one shoted him just like the Excalibur = Ea statement would have hinted at.
I went with:
*EX RANK: (Servants that wouldn’t be defeated in a regular encounter)*
*Gilgamesh* [Enuma Elish] (Serious)
*A++ RANK: (Servants that CAN one shot A+ Rank Servants or survive EX RANK NPs)*
*Artoria* [Excalibur] (Rin’s Servant)
*A+ RANK: (Servants that can take down BASE Artoria)*
*Heracles* [God Hand] (12 lives)
*Gilles de Rais* (Gigantic Horror)
*Iskandar* [Ionioi Hetairoi]
*A RANK: (BASE Artoria / BASE Heracles Level)*
*Artoria* (Rin’s Servant)
*Heracles* (1 live)
*B+ RANK:*
*Diarmuid Ua Duibhne* [Gáe Dearg & Gáe Buidhe]
*B RANK:*
*Gilles de Rais* [Prelati’s Spellbook]
*Diarmuid Ua Duibhne*
I posted the Full tier list in the comments 2 weeks ago if you are interested
My ranking (only servants):
1. Gilgamesh (Serious)
2. Saber [Excalibur & Avalon]
Saber Alter [Excalibur Morgan]
Artoria Pendragon [Excalibur]
Gylgamesh (Mid serious)
3. Heracles
Gilles de Rais [Gigantic Horror]
4. Iskandar
Gilgamesh (No serious)
5. Medusa (Sakura) [Bellerophon]
Artoria (Shirou) [Excalibur]
6. Emya [UBW]
7. Lancelot [Berserker]
Medusa (Shinji) [Bellerophon]
Artoria (Rin)
8. Cú Chulainn
Emya
9. Diarmuid
Medusa (Sakura)
10. Medea
11. Sasaki Kojirou
Artoria (Shirou)
12. Hassan of the Curse Arm
Medusa (Shinji)
13. Gilles de Rais
14. Hassan of the Hundred Faces
Ps: 1) I take into account only 1 version of each servant for the ranking. 2) Suicidal attacks, buffed versions, conditional powers or powers that requires very much time to be used aren't considered for the actual ranking.
I have kinda a irrelevant question in relation to this video but something I’ve never really understood and was hoping you could shed light on was kuzuki destroying Saber in the ubw anime like how he do that? Like I understand there was surprise involved and all but there’s a moment where they disengage and saber gets a chance to catch her breath don’t get why when they reenter combat she doesn’t destroy him
Because kuzuki'd fighting style is one that doesn't work twice.
What's funny is that people would rank Blue Beard under Medea but the fact that he gave alot of servents problems when he was in that giant monster form made me question if he was extremely downplayed. I mean I don't see any of the lancers beating him and I'd argue that neither Iskander nor Medusa could do shit to him when he's at that form
In my opinion Cu should be higher, or at least considered stronger. It took gil a whole day to bring him down in fate SN 2006. In fate SN UBW he had to fight every single servant without killing them (so he wasn't full Power) unless he would die without doing It, in that case he should use Gae bolg. As we could see, he had to use his NP only againist saber, so he managed to fight (no full power) heracles without risking his life.
1) Sasaki Kojirou also succeeded in fighting once evry servant without dying (including Herc) yet no one considers him a Top Tier servant. Exchanging blows once with another servant when none of them are going all out isn't a feat.
2) Lancelot even without Arondight (his strongest np) was on par with Gate of Babylon, EMIYA (Shirou) defeated Gil 1v1 and Gil stated Heracles could have beaten him if he hadn't protected Illya.
By the point you become an A RANK Servant and you have a haxxy NP/ability such as God Hand or Knight of Owner you can compete with a CASUAL Gil NOT willing to use Ea and that just considers you a filthy MONGREL. Cu spamming his PROTECTION FROM ARROWS & DISENGAGE skills to continnuously evade attacks and return battle conditions to what they were at the beginning of the match DOESN'T automatically prove LANCER Cu is stronger than any of the servants that I borught up before.
3) Cu is Diarmuid level according to Nasu (ruclips.net/user/postUgwOsSYIDUv5f6eLi5N4AaABCQ ).
@@guesswho8556 Cu is far stronger than EMIYA.
Not bad list, but I dissagree with some things.
Cu Culainn is definitely to low. He was hyped as heroic spirit of similar caliber as Arthur and Heracles and he has amazing versitality (the runes, protection from arrows, battle continuation etc).Nasu himself said in an interview that he would have an advantage against Madusa in a fight and can counter her mystic eyes with runes.
Then you have the Bluebreard who in my opinion is too high. His giant horror takes a lot of time and effort to summon and even if he does it, the monster would just die on it's own after a while. The only reason why other servants were forced to fight him was because he was attacking civilians. They could have simply wait him out.
1) I believe the Fate Fandom in general overestimates Cu a bit. Even if the statement you talk about of him being stronger than Medusa (I didn't know this) he still is just as strong (give or take) as BASE ARCHER EMIYA (with Rho Aias, Hrunting...) who is in turn weaker than him with Unlimited Blade Works who in the visual novel couldn't defeat BASE SABER. If you would like a more detailed explanation I would recommend reading the comments as I already answered this topic.
2) This isn't a who would win in a fight but who at its strongest unlocks the higher level of power. Even if they fought him to avoid civilian casualties he was able to take three servants at once, he took the gate of babylon, the fought for 10+ minutes Ionioi Hetairoi and it was stated that Gilgamesh would need Ea to take him down. This are better feats than any of those bellow him on the list.
@@guesswho8556 Cu weaker than ubw emiya? Does your power scaling come from emiya killing hercs multiple times with ubw?
Emiya is definitely lower than cu. Ubw wouldnt work against him. The man fought gil for half a day in the VN. I doubt ubw would do anything to him.
@@bluemoon9683 Read the Top comment. If after you do you still disagree I'll reply, but I just don't want to repeat myself.
Bluebeard is waaaay too high on this list!
Anyone have a link for the pic at the end
I think base Rin could beat Illya and Souichiro due to the fact that we Really didn't see her going all out against them like she did with Medea in the fights where she was losing to them she was mostly using WEAK Gandr spells and She also blew up Hercules head.
Thanks for bringing up new points to the table.
Great list except for emya not servant that for me is servant level
Not servant? What are you talking about?
Guess Who Emya not archer
@@user-pl3vs2dt7j this is a Top Strongest CHARACTERS, not Strongest SERVANTS.
I bet Arthur pendragon is like this is the one ultimate sword Excalibur Gilgamesh is like my ea sword is binds the heaven and the underworld and the current world so that mean ea is universal level
Ea isn't universal. In FGO way past the Babylonia arc Da Vinci doubted of the posibility of there being a np capable of blowing up the planet. Since they have seen Gil use Ea to kill Tiamat, Ea isn't even planet level. Let alone universal.
Bout the game the game he beated a cosmic level being without much trouble but just one shot with ea
Plus he is a Demi god
Dude u need to count the game as well cause it got fate aproval so everything is very much true in the game
@@kinandpat No.
Wait but gilgamesh beat ishkander using thd gate of babylon. So cant emiya do the same thing
What are you talking about? He used Ea
@@guesswho8556 Ok i remeber that but still dont u think emiya has a chance in a fight ishkander
@@FoundationSecerts no.
@@guesswho8556 just a straight up no 😂😂
@@FoundationSecerts yes.
Emiya Archer should be lower and Cu Lancer should be higher
No
@@guesswho8556 He's right. Cu defeats emiya in a straight fight easily.
Overall good but I disagree with your reasoning of the offensive potential of Saber/Saber Alter.
Saber Alter not only is powerfull for the high amount of mana, Nasu describes Salter as an "unfettered" Artoria with power high beyond when she was alive. And that's talking about the comparison he says about who would win in a salter vs Gil match if they had equal conditions. As living beings Gil would have the slight adventage, but as servants Saber can win due to Gil relying on his own power while salter definitely would take adventage of her master's support.
I do agree Saber with Avalon is superior, but your comments make it sound like the offensive gap between Saber and Salter is almost nothing, when in reality it isn't. Salter os a more offensive, aggressive and Tanky version of Artoria, losing her survival, reflexes and speed as payment.
Also, tou really make it sound as if Saber would have a good chance against Gil as if Nasu didn't literally said that Saber had plot armor and that's why she won against Gil. "Dark Saber has lost what you call the protagonist's compensation, or the glimmer of the stars". He literally says that Saber Alter doesn't have plot armor while her normal counterpart does.
You know the thing Nasu was referring to and plot armour are not the same thing.
@@r.k845 it is when you read what he said "the protagonist's compensation" is, he said it was the miracle that would help her against a clearly stronger enemy. Since Salter lacks it she can't use said miracle and therefore only rely in her abilities. That's the reasoning he made.
@@hijojou9385 He's referring more to plot convenience then anything else. Saber had Avalon therefore she won. The how and why make objective sense.
Blue beard way to high his strongest move take forever to activate
Did you read the top comment??
Artoria is so overrated for a character that flops every time she is on screen. Wish we got to see Prototype animated and watch the proper holy sword user: Arthur.
Overrated? We've only seen her at full power for like 5 minutes on screen. I recommend you playing the extra games, where she goes around clapping karna tier fighters.
@@guesswho8556 She also gets defeated by Gawain in Extella as well, your point?
That girl is not even top 10 strongest servants even without taking into account Lostbelt altered characters you over hype her so much just cuz she defeated Gilgamesh in fsn just by plot armor. She gets stomped by lore by a lot of characters.
Crazy how she is so supposedly strong but we have never seen her going "all out" since fsn and pretty sure we will never ever see her again, Nasu and other TP writers have introduced many other servants that can snap her easily and without need of any hype to justify their "strength".
Excalibur is not even top 3 most powerfull "weapon" NPs and the only reason why it even has the "feat" of defeatimg Sefar was cuz for some reason all the other NPs that are superior were ignored or didn't even exist at that moment.
She is just a lame oveerated character that ahlf her arguments are supposedly in lore but we almost never ser them in actual action. Even during the Extra games she is just treated as some kind of trophy character that is just there as fanservice as she barely appears or does something actually significant for the story. Like, she is summoned by se.ra.ph in case things go out of control but when it happenes she mever does anything.
@@kolk5994 gawain doesn't beat her. You fight her as an NPC in his sidestory. That's not a canon event that happened. If it were, Li shuwen would be stronger than Karna, or artoria stronger than Iskandar and gilgamesh.
Charlemagne is on par with karna, but even with help from nero and Tamamo they couldn't move artoria an inch. Charlemagne also states that there's no risk of Artoria getting captured and brainwashed by Rex magnus, dpesite knowing that Karna was taken down by him. And we know scathach was also beaten by him.
Artoria is also confirmed to be stronger than Altera, and to be the ultimate doomsday device in the Moon Cell.
@@kolk5994 artoria is not even top 10? How does that make her overhyped? There are like 30+ servants that can beat Gilgamesh if you take into account fgo and extra. Artoria not being top 10 is a pretty silly argument, and I never said that was the case either.
I also don't understand what you mean she defeated gilgamesh due to plot. Avalon blocked full power enuma elish, and Artoria killed him. Even then, artoria was shirou's servant at the time, and was so fatigued that she could barely move, her legs even being below 10% of their original power. Gilgamesh being dumb against an extremely weakened version of artoria doesn't prove full power Gil beats full power artoria with avalon. On the contrary, by the end, Gilgamesh states he won't hold back any more and Artoria still blocks full power Ea with avalon and kills him before he can react. I literally don't understand how I'm ove4hypping artoria. Just rewatch the scene and see it for yourself.
@@kolk5994 Nasu even recently stated in a HF2 interview that gilgamesh only has "a slight edge" over Saber alter. Now, full power saber with avalon being relative to Gilgamesh is overestimating her? Get your facts straight. Smh
Love how Gilgamesh is #1
To be honest I had to meditate for days whether to put him at numebr 1 or at number 2.
If you know what happened in the Fate Route you'll understand.
@@guesswho8556 1 Without Plot Armour would’ve got Destroyed by Gilgamesh Even with Avalon Ea Would just Fucking Nuke it
2 Archer Emiya in my opinion should be higher Because 1 he would Obilerate Iskander 2 Him and Artoria are Equally matched they both have Avalon both Have Powerful Noble Phantasms and are skilled in Sword combat but the two things that Emiya has to his advantage is 1 he’s a unknown hero so no one can find out his identity unless he tells them 2 he has the life span of the Archer class so if they fought Emiya would barely prevail because they would be fighting until one runs out of mana. But hey it’s just my opinion
@@thespaz7678 1. No
2. No
@@guesswho8556 1 Yes
2 is opinionated
You know Gilgamesh used Enuma Elish at full power against Saber right? Saber was also extremely weakened. Gilgamesh isn't clapping Saber with avalon.
"I'm too strong for this list of mangy dogs." At least that's what Gilgamesh would say
shouldn't Emiya be stronger than Medusa? I believe it was stated by Nasu that Emiya could kill Medusa in a one on one fight with both of them going at full power.
I've been wondering that for the last few months but I can't make up my mind in the matter. As for the statement you brought up I have never heard of it.
I can only think of the statement about Harpe, UBW and "the sword that is the same tier as Excalibur but will kill him of he tried to use it" that can score him a win.
@@guesswho8556 if someone hasn't told you already a medusa and Emiya fight would be even if because they have similar fight styles.
@@archere6833 i agree. I change my mind on the subject every week.
@@anhdinhlamduc5700 emiya dying after using excalibur once is false as even shirou in heavens feel when he was about to die could have projected it to destroy angra manyu and emiya at 1/10 of his power could have done the same to fight saber.
This means that full power emiya may have enough mana to project 10 times a somewhat decent copy of excalibur which is absolutely ridiculous.
Nice Video I Realy Enjoyed It So Far!
Can You Make Top 10 Strongest IT (2017) Characters For Next Video!
And Can You Put Georgie At Number #0 For Joke And Respect For Poor Armless Kid
And Can You Put His Made up Name - "Armless Mighty" For Joke XD
And Also Can You Put These People On The List:
#10 Stanley Uris (Lack Of Braveness)
#9 Eddie Kaspbrak
#8 Patrick Hocksteter (Because of his flame thing)
#7 Ben Handscuff
#6 Henry Bowers
#5 Beverly Marsh
#4 Richie Tozier
#3 Mike Hanlon
#2 Bill Denbrough
#1 Pennywise The Dancing Clown (The Deadlights)
Thanks for the support but I haven't watched It. More than likely the next video I'll upload will be a top strongest Kimetsu no Yaiba /Demon Slayer characters list. If you haven't watched it I recommend it a lot. Episode 19 was crazy
@@guesswho8556 ok thank you for telling me, good luck!
Isssss awesome!!! Great list!!!
6-iskandar, 5-gilles de rais, 4-heracles, 2-queen artoria pendragon and number 1 the strongest is gilgamesh
Thanks
Cu Chulainn would wipe the floor with Emiya and unless you're considering Gilles with gigantic horror hes barely above Medea.
Rin>Illya
Leysritt>Assassins
Zouken disgustingly high.
He even wrote that he is considering Gilles with gigantic horror in the video.
For the two following points I miss knowledge so you could be right.
And Zouken is probably that high cause he was very hard to kill. He needed like 3 deaths in Heavens Feel to actually die.
I expected this video to be cringe! But your actually very accurate! Excellent work! One issue though, you say Emiya being stronger than Gil doesnt make sense...but it would if you read the visual novel. These power levels dont really work, because Type moon battle power is rock paper scissors, its not really a "power level" franchise when your dealing with individuals with completely different skillsets that may be weak to each other. Gil is repeatedly explained to be weak to Shirou because their powers are almost the same, but Gil doesnt have any sword skills, and Shirou does. So all that needs to be done is cancel out Gil's gate of bablyon and close in.
Hahhaa thanks for the support!! Regarding your comment:
1) why were you expecting the video to be cringy?
2) I know Shirou won because of how his abilities counter gil but stil if we take a power scaling approach, archer (emiya) at just 1 tenth of his power during his fight with shirou could have won if he hadn't reversed back to his old self in the visual novel. Archer being a servant that even at full power, with his unlimited blade works couldn't defeat BASE Saber. Base saber being way weaker than full power gilgamesh, makes EMIYA by default weaker than Gil.
@@guesswho8556 I thought it would be cringe because power level contests are always cringy my friend :P
And as i said, power scaling doesnt actually work in this series unless your talking about people with non superhuman abilities at some level..which frankly isnt many people. Bazett could beat Arturia depending on what she did, and was actual able to in Hollow Ataraxia as just one example.
Your correct that Archer and Shirou's battle was uneven in terms of skill, but their fight in UBW was not a battle of power, but a battle of wills. Archer wasnt even trying to kill SHirou, he wanted him to give up and admit defeat and admit his ideals were wrong, which Shirou was never going to do, and so Archer gave up and was forced to see a smidgen of his original value system instead, which is why Archer accepted defeat.
Also something to note, 'base Arturia' IS actually a threat to Gilgamesh in Fate route. He always specifically keeps his distance from her because she could cut him down easily in sword skill. That is why he prioritizes using Gate of bablyon above everything else.
ruclips.net/video/9RVWpXo1Q5M/видео.html
In addition, just to elaborate, Emiya IS weaker in Sword skill compared to Arturia, that is specifically why she can easily beat him, but Emiya never uses brute force to win fights, but his mind instead. In addition, he never actually used UBW against Arturia, he threatened to pull out a degraded excalibur in a suicide attack.
As i said, its a rock paper scissors match. So Arturia beats Gil and Emiya in pure sword skill and general ability, but Emiya is far better than Gil in sword skill, and has mastered UBW(which is the counter to Gil's GOB), thus eliminating Gil's only major advantages. and so this is why power levels arent linearly scaled.
If Shirou was able to beat Gil, Emiya would have most certainly destroyed him if they had fought.
@@MrInuhanyou123 you are spot on but still I think Gilgamesh taking his distance with close range combat is just his thing as he did the same with Heracles.
Archer and Emiya are op in their own right but still Gilgamesh could just use Ea and destroy the UBW reality marble just like he did with Iskandar's Ionioi Hetairioi.
Regarding the rock, paper, scissors, I like to be more open minded and take a power scaling approach as I think it is more reliable and non biased than building my own headcanon and coming up to how the fights between different characters would play out.
Just my opinion though!
@@never_unsealed That's like saying if the main villain in an action movie would not do his dumb monologue he would have won. Gilgamesh's arrogance is built into his character, and that accounts for his weakness. In addition, Arturia with Avalon surpasses Ea regardless. Having powerful NP's is also meaningless, he has almost zero sword skill.
@@never_unsealed Arturia can surpass Ea. Literally. She already did. There is no argument against it.
Kariya is a fucking useless weakling, he's in no way stronger than Natalia, full stop. Kayneth is also one of the strongest modern mages we've seen in the Nasuverse, Iriesviel is nothing to him lol.
Also lol at Shirou being above Medea. And Avalon and Unlimited Blade Works? So you're using straight-up fanfiction?
EMIYA is also not above Lancelot, he admits inferiority himself in Fate/Unlimited Codes, much less Cu Chulainn who totally destroyed him despite not even being at full power from having an average at best Master like Kirei, who probably wasn't even giving him sharing all his magical energy with him. While EMIYA had the second best magical energy supply in Medea and still lost.
Whoa, how can I miss such good top N Probably the better top of FSN I've seen so far. It's nice to see justice for Rider.
My only notes would be how do you manage do rank Zouken ? Maybe I miss something in the VN/Anime or in the Zero LN (that I don't read) but the only battle feat for him that I remember whas to beat base Shirou in HF and being hard to kill. I don't see what can make in higher than Kariya.
Also, since I agree about Gille ranking with his sea monster, did we agree that he have very hard time to use it in normal battle due to the preparation needed for his summoning ?
For Archer, I would place him below Cu/Lancelot because, yes he's stronger than them whith UBW but its great cost of Mana is a big weakness and it's not like Archer master all his brokens phantasms aniway. And by how he fight, the outcom of his battles depends vastly to the conditions of the fight, making hard to rank him precysely in any case.
I also rejoin MySpaceBarBroke Never mind, i fixed it for Sakura strenght.
After that I probably switch few things like Shirou lower than Rin and Sakura, Cu above Lancelot ou Iri below Tokiomi and Kayneth but it's not very important.
And good luck for making a top 50 Fate Servant if you still want it, that's hell you're walking into. ^^
Thanks for the positive comment and support. In regards to what you said.
1) Zouken was also stated to be fighting on par with Illya while Heracles was fighting Saber Alter and the Shadow in the Heaven's Feel Route (visual novel). Thta's why he is so high. Even if we didn't take that into account he should still be higher than Kariya as he had mastered the crest worms way better than Kariya. Don't you agree?
2) This Top is regarding overall power. That's why Gigantic Horror is so high. It doesn't mean that I believe he would win in a fight against all those ranked bellow him.
3) EMIYA doen'st automatically run out of mana if he uses UBW. He used it against Saber in the UBW route even though he had just tanked Gae Bolg and didn't have a master giving him mana. After that he waited 2 days to fight Shirou, survived Gil's attack, projected Rho Aias to protect Shirou from Gil, and still had enough mana to kill Gilgamesh. Even a Shirou that was about to die after fighting Kirei had enough mana to project Excalibur Morgan and destroy the Grail to stop Angra Manyu.
And EMIYA not having mastered any Np doesn't make him weaker than Cu or Lancelot as Gil has also never mastered any weapon yet he is number 1 in the list.
If EMIYA could kill 6 times Herc I'm sure he can kill once Lancelot, and he can block Gae Bolg with Rho Aias, Avalon, Excalibur Image or his own Gae Bolg, whereas Cu ain't tanking Calladbolg II or Excalibur Image, which are all able to take more than 1 of Herc's lifes.
4) I agree Cu vs Lancelot is debatable and that Iri should be lower on the list.
5) Sorry for not repplying before. I'll be uploading a Babylonia top soon. Stay tuned!!!
@@guesswho8556 1) I misspoke, I want to say that I would just put him above Kariya. But if it's said he fight Illya, then I'm okay, I don't perfectly remember this passage in the VN.
2) OK
3) I'm not saying he will run out of mana just after using UBW, but he can't use it for a long time either. Also, the lack of Master make him weaker enough for Shirou to fight him 'equally'.
"projected Rho Aias to protect Shirou from Gil"
He did ? I absolutly don't remeber this.
Of course not mastering all the NP don't make him weak, but that reduce the possible use of NP inside UBW. That's not a big point either way, it's just that I have sometime read that Archer is a beast stronger than all Servant minus Gil because he can use NP of all fifth HGW Servants. :D
Doesn't he manage to kill Herc 6 time because of his past knowledge of the HGW ? The fact that he alerady know almost all about his enemies is a big bonus, and he should have big trouble against forth HGW Servant like Lancelot or Diarmud (which in addition are he's perfect counter).
For Excalibur, wasn't Archer unable to reproduce Divine Construct like Excalibur and EA (Shirou being able to trace Caliburn and Avalon being due his connection with Saber and living 10 years with the later inside him) ?
Also, if I'm remember correctly, Excalibur Morgan has lost it statue of Divine Construct ?
4) OK
5) As you see, I'm far worst ^^
@@yamifoene7534 1) Shirou only fought "equaly" a EMIYA that could no longer use his right arm and that was at 1/10 of his power.
2) Before Shirou used UBW against Gil, he projected Rho Aias to defend himself. In the anime it was shirou, but in the visual novel it was actually archer. This was confirmed by Nasu in an interview. It was never directly stated in the visual novel. That may be why you weren't aware.
3) What do you mean by HGW?? Holy grail war? I'm currently sick and can't think straight.
4) EMIYA has intel on all servants as even Shirou in the fate route could call by name all the nps gil used to kill medea even though he was ass compared to archer.
5) There's no evidence archer faired better against herc because of his intel on him. Even if that were the case what intel would he have learned that would have given him a great advantage over another servant with a similar power level but with no intel?? Herc doesn't have any secret technique that loses it's effectiveness after being seen once.
6) HowLancelot and Diarmuid his perfect counters? Lancelot just has Knight of Owner which turns weapons into his Nps, however archer's projections aren't real and blow in contact so I'm not sure if lancelot would be able to throw them back at emiya. I'll concede it's debatable, however archer wouldn't have a hard time against lancelot as Caladbolg II, Caliburn, and Excalibur would blow up Lancelot in long range, nine lives in close quarters and rho aias block any attack thrown at him.
7) Archer is unable to reproduce divine constructs except Excalibur and Avalon thanks to his connection with Saber.I don't understand why you are bringing this up. I never claimed emiya can use divine constructs appart of the two I just mentioned.
8) Where did you get Excalibur Morgan isn't a divine construct? even if it isn't I don't understand why you are bringing it up.
I'm sorry but, after Saber Alter completely desecrated Hercules in the newest film, there is no way you can convince me that regular Saber is stronger.
Saber with AVALON killed Gilgamesh. Doesn't that convince you? Plus, it is even confirmed in the visual novel that FULL POWER saber WITHOUT even using EXCALIBUR would SOLO berserker
Read the visual novel bro
@@guesswho8556 ok she have Shirou help in that fight (he cut his arm off and block serval strike for Saber) and Berserker have only 6 or 7 lives at that point. The NP God hand is a very important aspect of his power, his match up with Saber would be decided on the queston:" Can Excalibur take his 11 lives?"(one lives is taken by her A rank Strength).
@@anhdinhlamduc5700 I never brought up their actual fight in the fate route so I don't understand why you are.
In UBW when Saber unlocked her FULL POWER AFTER becoming Rin's servant, it was STATED by Shirou in the VISUAL NOVEL that this BASE Saber, WITHOUT even using Excalibur would solo Berserker. If we stack on top of this Heracles tier character Excalibur and Avalon it isn't surprising that Saber managed to kill Gilgamesh in the Fate Route. Saber with Excalibur and Avalon would destroy Heracles without question.
That entire thing is non-canon. Saber alter doesn't have that kind of power.
My top (only servants) is:
1. Gilgamesh [Full Power, Serious]
2. Artoria Pendragon [Excalibur & Avalon]
3. Iskandar [Ionioi Hetanioi & Via Expugnatio]
4. Eracle [God Hand]
5. Medusa [Bellerophon]
6. Lancelot [Arondight]
7. Emiya [UBW]
8. Cú Chulainn [Gáe Bolg]
9. Diarmuid [Both NPs]
10. Medea [Rule Breaker]
11. Sasaki Kojirou [Tsubame Gaeshi]
12. Hassan of the Cursed Arm [Zabaniya]
13. Gilles de Rais
14. Hassan of the hundred personas [Zabaniya]
Note that: 1) I took into account only 1 version of each servant for the ranking. 2) Suicidal attacks, buffed versions, conditional powers or powers that requires very much time to be used aren't considered for this ranking.
Now that's a real list that no one can disagree with
I love that nameless samurai dude
So sad he was done dirty in heaven's feel
EX RANK: (Servants that wouldn’t be defeated in a regular encounter)
- *Gilgamesh* [Enuma Elish] (Serious)
- *Artoria* [Excalibur & Avalon]
A++ RANK: (Servants that can take down GOD HAND Heracles)
- *Artoria* [Excalibur Morgan] (Alter)
- *Artoria* [Excalibur]
A+ RANK: (Servants that can take down BASE Artoria)
- *Heracles* [God Hand]
- *Gilles de Rais* (Gigantic Horror)
- *Iskandar* [Ionioi Hetairoi]
- *Medusa* [Bellerophon] (Sakura’s Servant)
A RANK: (BASE Artoria / BASE Heracles Level)
- *Artoria* (Blackened)
- *Artoria* (Rin's Servant)
- *EMIYA* [Unlimited Blade Works]
- *Heracles* (6 Lives)
- *Iskandar* [Gordius Wheel]
- *Lancelot* [Arondight]
- *Artoria* [Excalibur] (Shirou’s Servant)
- *Medusa* [Bellerophon] (Shinji’s Servant)
- *Heracles* (1 life)
B+ RANK: (SHIROU’S BASE Artoria Level)
- *Cú Chulainn* [Gáe Bolg]
- *EMIYA* [Caladbolg & Hrunting]
- *Artoria* (Shirou’s Servant)
- *Diarmuid Ua Duibhne* [Gáe Dearg & Gáe Buidhe]
B RANK: (BASE Diarmuid Level)
- *Cú Chulainn*
- *Shirou Emiya* [Unlimited Blade Works & Avalon] (Rin’s Mana)
- *Rin Tohsaka* [Jewelled Sword]
- *Sakura Matou*
- *Gilles de Rais* [Prelati’s Spellbook]
- *Diarmuid Ua Duibhne*
- *Medusa* (Sakura’s Servant)
- *EMIYA* [Hrunting]
C+ RANK: (BASE EMIYA Level)
- *Medea* (Full Power)
- *Sasaki Kojirou* [Tsubame Gaeshi]
- *EMIYA & Sasaki Kojirou*
- *Medusa* (Shinji’s Servant)
Where's Fake Assassin from UBW?
@@Alfie0001 C+ rank
@@guesswho8556 shouldn't Jewel sword Rin be at least B+ since it was said that the jewel sword was only second to Excalibur in power, and since Artoria as Shirou's servant has a weaker version of it, wouldn't that put Rin on her level?
@@saidwithhyperbole6894 this video is outdated. Don't think to much about it.
@@guesswho8556 oooohh, alright
Can I ask which version of shirou is the strongest. UBW or Heaven's feel??( Not archer)
Going by Hyppe HF.
Short term HF is stronger.
Long term UBW is stronger.
I find Cū Chulainn is in the List, to low.
Did you not get a copyright strike from this?
I think Sakura should be higher
I agree with you : No servants can theoretically win against the Black Grail.
How is sakura so low? Dark sakura is OP,.
She is weaker than rin
Guess Who She lost to Rin wielding the Jewelled Sword Zelretch, which is an OP Mystic code, and in the hands of Rin, is implied to fire off Excalibur level blasts. Heracles and Illya fuckin booked it when one of the shadow giants appeared at the Einzbern manor.
The only servants out of FZ and FSN who can stand up to Excalibur are possibly Iskandar, possibly Herc, and definitely Gilgamesh.
@@myspacebarbrokenevermindif9892 I already answered you
Alter saber > saber
Gilles de rais is too high
Cu chulain should be higher
1) Regular Saber with AVALON defeated Gilgamesh in the Fate Route and is STATED to be able to take down Heracles WITHOUT even using Excalibur whereas Alter Saber did use Excalibur Morgan and backup from the grail to defeat him.
2) Gilles in his GIGANTIC HORROR form was stronger than Iskandar's IONIOI HETAIRIOI and according to Tokiomi only Ea (EX RANK) would be powerful enough to take him down.
3) Cu couldn't even defeat base EMIYA (with Rho Aias) wheras UBW EMIYA was on par with FULL POWER BASE Saber (stated to be stronger than Heracles as I mentioned before) without having a master giving him magical energy and was able to kill 5 times Heracles in the Fate Route.
@@guesswho8556
2. It is also said that the original form of K&B which the bonus to monster(Archer favorite pair of sword) can one shot it (the original would be B rank). So a A+ rank NP should be barely enough (while a A++ is a sure kill as we have seen).
3. Cu did not use the first form of his NP against base Emiya. Though it is every guess in UBW, Lancer can create a barrier strong enough to take a strong NP (in his opinion so maybe B or A) very fast, he also can use his rune to enhance his weapon and stat. And about the statement that Archer is equal to base Saber with Avalon, where did you find that? Can you give a source?
@@anhdinhlamduc5700 I meant archer equal to base saber. Avalon was just refering to the other point. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
@@anhdinhlamduc5700 archer being able to kill 5 times heracles, and even without a master being on par with FULL POWER saber (stated stronger than herc) puts him way higher than when he fought lancer. Since even archer without ubw could deflect gae bolg, I think that ubw takes it with mid/high difficulty.
@@guesswho8556 Archer without UBW never deal with Lancer first version and he never force Lancer to use his rune (Saber also never deal with his rune). Even when Lancer was Command Seal restrict, Archer admit that "Shirou saves his life" after Shirou distracted Lancer from using the first version (Archer don't have the Luck stat to dodge it or Agility stat to run away from it range. He is not Saber), unless he have some hax to use against it but i believe we don't talk about unknow thing with no basic.
" Even without the Master being on par", you mean in UBW route when he forced Saber to stay still and not use her Excalibur by threatened Shirou's life. That is not full power Saber, it is a handicap Saber. Of course, i'm open for the source of the statement "Archer is equal to full power Saber in UBW".
Gilgamesh is multiversal level so it’s obvious that he disserve top 1
No
Guess Who no v
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@@eliasm9100 when have you seen Gil destroy 1001+ infinite universes?
That's the definition of multiversal
Good list. Here is how I would rank the servant's from weakest to strongest and my only disagreement's, theory's and opinion's.
1. Arturia (Avalon and Alter)
2. Gilgamesh (Full Power)
3. Hercules
4. Lancelot
5. Medusa
6. Iskandar
7. Cuchulain
8. Emiya
9. Medea
10. Gille De Rais
11. Hassan (Cursed Arm)
12. Kojiro Sasaki
13. Diarmuid
Arturia, Gilgamesh and Hercules are easily the top 3 strongest servant's in the Fate Stay Night universe.
Arturia with Avalon is able to block Ea and defeat Gilgamesh. Arturia with Alter easily annihilated Hercules. But Arturia with both Avalon and Alter could easily beat any servant in this universe including Gilgamesh.
Cuchulain is easily stronger than Emiya. The reason why Cu had trouble facing Emiya at the school was because he was getting restricted by a command spell but latter during their fight at the church Cu easily overpowered him and could've easily finished him off if he wanted to. Emiya is debated to be either very strong or very weak but in my opinion he's pretty weak. The only thing he has that's good is his unknown amount of noble phantasm's. In my eye's Emiya Is just barely stronger than Medea but he stand's no chance against Iskandar, Lancelot, Cuchulain, Medusa, Hercules, Gilgamesh and Arturia. Emiya killed Hercules 5 time's in the Fate route because I believe Hercules was nerfed and much weaker back than he currently is right now because in Fate Stay Night Unlimited Blade Work's 2014 Emiya stated that if him, Arturia (Avalon and Alter restricted), Cuchulain, Medea, Kojirou and Medusa (weak version from unlimited blade work's) teamed up to fight Hercules they would easily lose against him. Not to mention Emiya shot Hercules point blank in the face with Caladbolg and it did not faze Herc not one tiny bit. From what I have heard in the visual novel Herc blocked it but I think he would have been fine either way. I believe Hercules is nerfed in the Fate route the same way how Medusa is nerfed in the Unlimited Bade Work's route and Cuchulain + Gilgamesh are both nerfed in the Heaven's Feel route. but Herc being weaker in the fate route is just my theory and opinion.
Iskandar is commonly above Lancelot but I disagree with that. Lancelot easily put up a much better fight against Gilgamesh than Iskandar did. Lancelot was able to hold his own against Gil for a short period of time while Iskandar got easily destroyed and you can tell Gil was not trying at all. However Iskandar was able to catch Lancelot completely off guard and nailed him from behind with his Gordius wheel taking Lancelot out of commission however this did not kill Lancelot as Iskandar even said quote this servant is quite a tough one isn't he. Lancelot's Arondight is told to rival Arturia's Excalibur and I do think Iskandar's troop's could do a decent amount of damage to Lancelot But I do think with his Sword Lancelot should be able to tear and plow his way through Iskandar's troop's and win.
Medusa is very on par with Lancelot and Bellerophon should be powerful enough to take out the majority of Iskandar's troop's plus I do believe that Medusa is the faster rider between her and Iskandar after all her speed is A+ rank. Not to mention in the up coming Fate Stay Night Heaven's Feel Spring Song I believe Medusa will be able to hold her own against Arturia Alter who we saw destroy Hercules in Lost Butterfly. I would have recommended that you should have made this video after Fate Stay Night Heaven's Feel Spring song come's out.
Gille is to high in my opinion. It's been stated by many that if Medea stabbed the Gigantic horror with her Rule Breaker She would take out the hole creature therefore the servant's I ranked above Medea in my opinion should be be able to take out both Gille and his monster. I originally had Gille very high ranked back than but I changed my mine.
Hassan (Cursed Arm) should be a little higher. He out smarted Medea and killed her but if they fought with no distraction's I believe Medea would win. He also put up a decent fight against EMIYA.
Diramuid is a little weaker than Kojirou in my opinion because Dirarmuid is very bad against anyone with range and his magical energy and luck are very lacking.
All of this was just my personal opinion when it come's to how the non servant character's are ranked I agree with how all of their spot's. Rin is ranked very well without the sword of Zelretch but Rin with the sword of Zelretch should be on par with Shirou and Sakura.
But still this list was very well done. Keep up the great work. you almost have 1000 subscriber's.
A nice list!
First of all, thanks for taking your time to give a detailed explanation with logical reasons behind it regarding why you disagreed with the video. It is very refreshing and I hope more people like you watched by videos.
Second of all, the point is neither you and I now the TRUE rank of the servants, as even Nasu himself has sometimes contradicted himslef and the power scaling can sometimes be very iffy. Now, I shall try to answer you as well as I possibly can.
1) ARTORIA vs GILGAMESH: Artoria did indeed kill Gilgamesh in the Fate Route and the saber fanboy in me really wanted to to place her higher but I just couldn't.
Saber needed to take Enuma Ellish TWICE in order to come up with a plan to know how to couter it. Gilgamesh never used Enkidu nor did he use the Gate of Babylon at its full potential going for the kill from the start or know what Avalon was and how it worked. All of this is why in my opinion it is almost undenyable that if both of them fought serious and blood thirsty from the start, without prep time, Gilgamesh would win.
However I 100% agree that if both of them acted in character Gilgamesh would lose, still, because this is a top regarding power, I had to place Gil at number one.
2) ALTER SABER WITH AVALON: Saber has never used Avalon in her Alter form so it is unknown how powerful she would be and therefore puting her on the list is pointless.
3) CU CHULAINN vs ARCHER: Archer did loose to Lancer in UBW but the point is even at his strongest, Gae Bolg couldn't kill Base Archer as Rho Aias deflected it. In the visual novel it is even worse for lancer as it is never mentioned EMIYA was left bleeding and messed up from the start.
If we also consider that even without a master giving him magical energy, archer with his UBW was relative to Base Saber when a way weaker vesion of her dodged Gae Bolg, makes Lancer, whether he was restricted in their first fight, weaker than full power archer.
In my opinion, if archer had used his ubw during his fight with with Cu, he would have killed him when he threw gae bolg and he would have dodged it with his shield jist like he did in the actual fight.
4) ARCHER DID WELL AGAINST HERACLES CAUSE HE WAS NERFED IN THAT ROUTE: Berserker being nerfed in that route is completely false. If anything he was stronger.
In Fate he completely destroyed Saber in their first fight whereas in UBW Saber held her own without taking damage, Gilgamesh was never pressed in their fight nor surprised (in the visual novel) and it was stated that Saber at full power without even using her noble phantasm could solo berserker.
Going of that as I explained before archer with his UBW is relative to full power Saber, and that this version of saber was stated to be stronger than berserker, archer taking 5 lives of Heracles makes sense, cementing archer as a stronger servant than Cu Chulainn.
5) GILLES DE RAIS IS FODDER: The statement you mentioned of Rule Breaker being enough to take down Gigantic Horror is just a Haxx feat that shouldn't be taken into account regarding overall power.
I believe you are forgetting feats such as that in his octopus form even the combined efforts of Gordius Wheel+Base Saber+Lancer couldn't do anything, that Gate of Babylon couldn't do anything against him, or that Tokyomi said that only Ea would defeat him.
This I think is enough to place him that high.
6)ISKANDAR IS FODDER: Iskandar even after Saber killed Gilles was still considered by both Gil and Tokiomi to be a greater threat than Saber.
Even with just his Gordius Wheel, Saber was forced to use Excalibur just like when she fought Medusa. If we stack on top of this "Above base saber level" character, on par with medusa (give or take), Ionioi Hetarioi who was able to hold back for 10+ minutes Gilles (a character worthy of Ea) and if we also take into account that he only got defeated because Gil used Ea, I think there is more evidence to put Iskandar above Medusa than there is the other way around.
Medusa just got defeated by a weaker version of Saber, where Iskandar is comperable to way stronger characters.
I don't have more time today to answer the other points you brought up but I'll do it tomorrow
7) LANCELOT IS TOP TIER: Lancelot with Prep Time/unlimited equipment is very overpower indeed and his showings against Gilgamesh are very impressive but his average feats feel a bit short.
Lancelot even at his strongest, when he had a jet, wasn't able to make Gil use Ea whereas Iskandar's reality marble and Giles monster form could only be countered with those levels of power. If we also take into account that in a real fight Lancelot shouldn't have access to all those weapons just like we wouldn't give prep time to characters such as Medea, Lancelot falling to Base Saber is the nail in the coffin that puts Berserker as a weaker character than those that can only be taken with Excalibur or Ea.
8) HASSAN SHOULD BE HIGHER: True Assassin only performed well against Lancer and Saber because he had crazy Haxx. You agreed that he should only be above Sasaki, however you are forgetting that Assassin was strong enough to somewhat compete with Base Saber and to kick EMIYA's ass so hard in the UBW route (visual novel) that he was forced to go back to the Tohsaka mansion bleeding and depleeted of magical enerdy. Hassan on the other hand was weaker than base Archer and Base Medusa so going by power scaling, Sasaki would more than likely destroy True Assassin.
9) DIARMUID IS WEAKER THAN KOJIROU: Diarmuid performed better against a stronger version of Saber than the one Sasaki fought.
I think this sums up everything pretty well.
Bro, are you alive??
@@guesswho8556 Fake Assassin actually perform very good against Rin Saber who is more or less the same in important area. Not saying he is better than Zero Lancer in the normal Grail War but Fake Assassin have the good skillset to deal with Zero Lancer. Like Zero Lancer have zero answer for Fake Assassin special move. The only thing that i can think of is Mind of Eye (false) but the skill that make every move from Fake Assassin seem like a first one heavily restrict the skill in this instance.
Thanks to his Personal Skills Cù would likely win against Emiya and has a lot more chances than him and Lancelot against Medusa so I would put him at least at the same level of Lancelot (who would also win against Emiya).
Gilles is a problematic character, he needs long preparations for his stronger spells, otherwise he’s no match for almost every single Servant, in a neutral duel of magecraft Medea would overwhelm him in a second.
And I don’t really care about the last positions and I love Iri but why the hell is she above both Tokiomi and Kayneth?! Lol they are both stronger than Rin (at the time of Highschool). Seriously, Kayneth was ranked as a Brand level mage!
And Kirei is stronger than Liz and at least equal to Hassan...
Nasu said archer would beat rider. And I would've put him above iskandr and the monster. Nasi said that he took 6 of Heracles lives WITHOUT USING UBW. Not to mention he didn't use NINE LIVES BW. He has beaten saber from long range (though she was also protecting shirou) and in UBW claimed he could replicate excaliber and kill saber as well as himself in a suicidal attack. In the overall fate franchise I'd def put him in the top 10.
Don't make things up. Please quote nasu saying he defeats rider and that he didn't use ubw to defeat Heracles
I have seen some of ur other videos and ur responses in the comments, so let me ask, would you think Saber (without Avalon) and Saber Alter are somewhat tied? Ofc that's taking into account both of them having Ritsuka as their Master.
In one hand regular Saber is considerably Faster and her abilities are better compared to Saber Alter's. The A rank Instinct is definitely better and gives her better effects than a B rank Instinct. And, well, she has better luck as well, not really a game changer stat but still.
On the other hand Saber Alter has overall more power and defense, but she is very slow and we all know that the reason why she can spam Mana Burst and Excalibur in HF is cuz Sakura's mana so obviously under Ritsuka she would be less violent and effective, but still her overflow mana and dragon core are more unleashed in this form so she definitely is still a good foe.
So who would you think is better? Are they pretty much tied?
if they had the same mana supply, either both under the same master, or both with a holy grail, regular artoria would be stronger. Regular Artoria has higher instincts, luck, and agility. All Saber Alter has is slightly superior Endurance. But yeah, they are pretty much tied.
Gilgamesh is dead his weak on adult but powerful as a kid
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EMIYA 8th
Heracles 4th
That make no sens in fate route EMIYA kill Heracles 6 times. I know Heracles is stronger than EMIYA but they almost in the level
Heracles went easy on EMIYA, it was STATED by Illya
Circumstances are important. 1) Emiya is a pretty weak Servant on his own (key word being on his own) he could only kill Herc 6 times (in the VN) due to the amount of A rank Broken Phantasms he fired at him during their duel and was overwhelmed as soon as Herc got in range. 2) Broken Phantasms cost a hell of mana and most of his standard attacks don't work again him due to God's Hand and the gimmicks of Projection. 3) Emiya isn't suited to fighting in one on one duels without tactical advantage, that's the whole point of him being an eternal underdog
@@arnauddika HEADCANON. Why does he relying on Strong NPs due to his WEAK BASE undermine his feats??? Are you serious?
CALLADBOLG II took 2 LIVES out of Herc meaning since 1 LIVE = A RANK NP, EMIYA with that weapon is already an A RANK SERVANT.
With UBW he killed 6 TIMES Heracles WITHOUT even using his STRONGEST PROJECTION Excalibur as Illya never mentioned having seen EMIYA use it before when she saw Saber use it.
Furtheremore, a WEAKENED EMIYA, DEPLETED of MAGICAL ENERGY and that had just TANKED GAE BOLG was able to keep up with FULL POWER BASE Artoria (Rin's Servant) WITHOUT Excalibur who is STATED to be Stronger than Herc.
How is this Heracles LEVEL character weaker than Cu?? It is STATED Cu ONLY rises to A RANK after releasing his Runes, meaning CALLADBOLG already rivals him in power. How is FULL POWER UBW weaker than him??
You can only debunk everything I just said with batle continuation or protection against arrows headcanon or by ignoring all the FEATS i just mentioned by saying "it doesn't count" because he could only do it thanks to his "strong projections" which isn't even an argument.
@@guesswho8556 Never said it did. I'm just criticizing your placements that rely on feats without giving proper context. Again, in Emiya's case, field advantage and tactical support are key to his succes as a fighter. He could go toe to toe with Cu due to the latter being weakened, he could harass and kill Herc 6 times (and he did it mostly without esing UBW mind you) due to his hit and run strategy that allowed him to fire broken phantasms. Give them an open battlefield like Saber had when fighting Herc in the graveyard and his strategy would be rendered useless. Plus, Herc reacting to Caladbolg II in UBW undermines its efficiency despite its raw powersimply because it costs a shit ton of mana to use AND COULD BE COUNTERED.
Emiya is not, was not and never will be an A rank Servant. His strenghs are situatoinal and always tactical. Again, that's the whole point of being an underdog. Also I don't remember saying that Cu was stronger than Herc, in fact I think it's pretty clear he is't even equipped to deal with God Hand.
Regarding your "Emiya kept up with base Saber" argument...are you joing? That was litterally a textbook example o a hit and run tactic abusing field advantage. UBW itself is field advantage for crying out loud. HE NERVER kept up with her, he just attacked her while making sure she was unfocused and unbalanced. Again, stop decontextualizing facts: a weakened Saber (as Shirou's Servant) nearly one-shotted him at first sightright after surviving Gae Bolg. Do you think he could compare?
Regarding your first comment and the Avalon point, this is moot. We have 3 routes where the conditions for Emiya's and Kojiro's summons were fulfilled and that's ignoring the fact that no one stated Emiya couldn't be summoned. HE HAS A CATALYST REMEMBER? Saber on the other hand can never be summonedd while having Avalon (since it's her catalyst) and can therefore never have it unless it is given to her. I four routes where she could use it, the conditiosn were only met once. Shoudl her master be anyone but Shirou, she would never get to use it at all.
*sigh* here we go again. Remember how God's Hand works? Every time an attack kills Herc, he becomes invulnerable to it, so you'd either need 12 different A rank attacks or one attack strong enough to take several lives to kill him. Unlike Emiya, whose kit is optimized to fight in such specific conditions, Saber's only way to kill Herc is Ecalibur. It' not a question of who's on par with anyone here, it's whose kit can accomplish the job best. So yeah, as I said, Full power Saber is in the same league as Heracles. Both could kill the other. Regarding Saber Alter though, one has to consider the fact that she has unlimited mana supply. She could literally fire barrages of Excalibur-like attacks (and that's how she defeated Herc) Offensively at least, she is WAY beyond regular Saber.
You can throw as many feats at me as you ant, but your analysis still lacks critical elements to make them compelling
@@arnauddika You are discussing "who would win in a fight" when this list is about "who has more power, speed., durability and INTELLIGENCE". Being "TACTICAL" is a paramater taken into account in determining who is stronger.
When EMIYA got destroyed by a WEAKENED Shirou's Saber you forget that Rin would later on speculate in the first 2 routes that EMIYA DIDN'T GO ALL OUT AGAINST her and it was even BASE Archer. I never argued BASE EMIYA was an A Rank servant.
You made up some facts and used narrative headcanon such as "EMIYA is an underdog", "EMIYA didn't use that much UBW", "everytime EMIYA breathes he gets depleted of mana"....
You forget that Shirou in Heaven's Feel could use projection many times consecutively without having a master giving him mana so the real full power Emiya would be able to use A RANK Np's many times.
In the visual novel Saber Alter only used excalibur ONCE against Herc and took out all 12 lives. In the data book it was never mentioned Excalibur Morgan > >>>> Excalibur and since even the Excalibur from a WEAKENED Saber (Shirou's servant) that was about to banish could take out 2 lives how wouldn't Saber (Rin's servant) also be able to take out all 12 lives??
You forget Excalibur was STATED to be ON PAR with ENUMA ELLISH (EX Rank) and that BASE SABER is STATED to be STRONGER THAN HERACLES. Regular Saber would take out Herc with Mid difficulty. Stop dennying it.
Apart from the top 10, this list is just cap
the worst list in the world
How?
Agreed, Hassan cursed arm is way too under rated, he is probably the most op one in the fate series, just look at how he fights l, and he kills lancer in one a few strikes(lancer was op af btw)
Great list except for emya not servant that for me is servant level
algorithm comment #2
Guess this list is outdated, but, didn't master-less Archer prove he can keep up with Rin's Saber and even easily kill her even if that means doing a suicidal attack?
Also, Shirou defeated Saber Alter in Sparks Liner High, that means Archer could have completely kill her right?
Dunno, Archer is easily the best Servant in the 4th war just behind Gilgamesh, the only way Saber would be abive him is if she is using Avalon.
archer never proved to be able to kill artoria. On the contrary. It is explicitly stated that even his suicidal attack with a projected excalibur wouldn't kill artoria.
Shirou only defeated saber alter cause artoria wasn't using her NP or mana burst nukes, in fear of the cave collapsing.
emiya already fought artoria (shirou's servant) in Hollow Ataraxia and lost.
@@guesswho8556 Wasn't it supposed that the main reason why they won was cuz Shirou jad the previous knowledge of the previous loops so he knew what to do to survive? Idk Saber herself literally accepted that if it wasn't for the fact that she had Shirou's help and Archer was alone they would habe been killed by Archer there but ok.
@@gogonx7983 artoria also states she can't use Excalibur cause it would turn to ash the buildings between her and archer. If you take away shirou's support, give her 3xcalibur lol.
Gae bolg destroy Arondight
im asking once again what editor was used for this
Windows movie maker
@@BNF5005 thank you
Tokiomi is a first class mage, he should be around number 12
Hell NO
Wtf
Saber Alter should be higher than regular saber imo
There's something called AVALON. You're anime only right?
@@guesswho8556 dude, ik Regular Saber has the Avalon which protects her and increases her defense but Alter literally has unlimited mana
@@bourne. Gilles de Rais also has unlimited mana. Doesn't make him unbeatable. If salter shoots Excalibur Morgan, Saber simply blocks it with Avalon and kills her with her own Excalibur in close quarters. The same thing happened to Gilgamesh and he died lol.
I read your disclaimer right when you made this list and have also been reading a lot of your other comments in other videos and to be clear with you I haven't seen many people saying Heracles is stronger if anything I have seen a lot of people saying he's weaker than servants like Iskandar and Vlad. Some time soon If I have a chance I will try to make a new strongest fate servants(From Zero, All 3 routes to Stay Night, Apocrypha and Extra: Last Encore. Not going to include servants from the Grand Order movies because some of the servants are feat less and some from the other 4 series return in different servant classes that will make it confusing) I'll let you know when I upload it. It will come out maybe this summer.
Lol sure maiden homonoculus are stronger than servant
Lol sure a high school student can't beat gilgamesh in 1v1. Oh wait...
@@guesswho8556 totally different scenario tho..
@@02349926 ues but them being homunculus doesn't debunk them being that high whether they really are or not
@@guesswho8556 they don't use magecraft or have any special powers or skills just slightly above average strength they couldnt beat Hundred personas who is servant with noble phantasm
@@02349926 maybe, or maybe not. Gilgamesh doesn't have any unique skill or ise magecraft and he is still number 1 so those aren't prerequisites in any way to be high on the list.
Song?
Link in the description
Emiya (archer ) is the strongest if gilgamesh isn't serious also the rest of the servant like saber have fucked up level of plot armor
EMIYA isn't that strong. You forget that EMIYA died after killing 6 times Heracles whereas Gilgamesh killed Herc 13 times without breaking a sweat. The power gap is cristal clear.
@@guesswho8556 that's the problem with fate series ,in stay night he is made weak and they just say he defeated him 6 times without showing what happened and in unlimited blade work he is so strong that he survived assault from every servant including gilgamesh
@@nomanzia1654 shirou also survived an assault of every servant in the fate route. Is he also stronger than gilgamesh in that route?
EMIYA doesn't have the mana or ppwer out put necessary to compete with the top tier servants.
@@guesswho8556 shirou isn't a servant and emiya has the strongest np
@@nomanzia1654 shirou being not being a servant doesn't debunk his strength and EMIYA DOESN'T have the strongest NP.
idk why but i feel like saber with avalon should be no.1
Not when her win was very situational.
Saber is powerful than gilgamesh in 2006 she wen in a fight vs him and shiro wined to vs him only in grand order he can win vs them
Good list this was the first video where I agree with most of the list but why have emiya over cu. Couldn't cu one shot emiya using the anti unit version of gae bolg since emiya luck is D. Even if cu uses the anti army version like in unlimited blade works emiya only option is to deflect with rho aias it but the result is a loss of a lot of mana and one of his arms barely attach to his body. The only situation I see where emiya can win if his sniping from far away and spamming broken phantasms.
At the end of the day, a weakened artoria that had just been summoned survived an encounter with gae bolg.
Once Saber becomes Rin's servant and returns to full power, it was stated in the visual novel that this saber would take down Heracles without even using Excalibur.
Since EMIYA without even having a master giving him magical energy was able to be on par (give or take) with this OP saber by using UBW, it is pretty much common sense that PRIME EMIYA with UBW would defeat lancer.
@@guesswho8556 Thanks for replying but you didn't answer any of the arguments relating to cus noble phantasms working on emiya. (I just realise that emiya luck is E not D)
Second Your point about full power saber is true and emiya might be contend with full power saber using UBW but were talking about a lancer matchup. Third the reason Saber survive the first fight against Cu is because Kirei placed a command seal "Fight against everyone. But do not defeat them. Survive your first battle against any opponent". Cu disobey this by using anti unit noble phantasm which weaken it. Saber also has high luck B and a skill instinct while archer has no luck. Even still cu could have killed saber when she was healing since anti unit still does damage but shirou thinks that cu that does nothing even doe he has a chance to win. I dont need to say why cu waited for saber to heal and then left. These 3 reasons is why saber survive against cu. Obviously rin saber can beat lancer but here the reason why shirou saber survive.
Now for the cu vs emiya
The reason why emiya survive shows why emiya is such a good character and probably the smartest fighter in the VN. Emiya knew that no matter what he does against Cu he cant win since his fighting the fastest servant and cu skill protection against arrows counters him. He left open spots forcing cu to fight how he wants. This was a defensive fight since he cu was so fast he look invisible to emiya eyes that emiya didnt have a chance for offense. Lastly he pissed of cu by using the word dog which relates to his legend hoping he would use the anti army noble phantasm which replaces the HAX ability of reversing cause and effect for more power. He knew that the only situation he can survive is him using anti army np and emiya defending with Rho Aias but as you know this resulted to him having one arm barely connecting to his body. Notice the whole fight the VN was questioning if Cu was going serious saying a fight between servants using the noble phantasm but cu was having fun fighting melee since this was his first real fight going hard.
Lastly if your going to say UBW can beat him I don't think so because protection against arrows was able survive 12 hours vs Gilgamesh in the fate route. UBW also wouldn't last that long. Even still emiya would have to get close to use it but if he does that he still has to chant, will cu just stand there and watch. You know what happen during the fight on the church when there close. The only way emiya stands a chance at winning is broken phantasm since protection against arrows cant block this but he would need to be far away. While cu can win through normal melee fight eventually or both noble phantasm. I do like emiya he my favourite character in the natsuverse but in almost all situations a matchup against lancer is his worst fight since cu strengths and emiya weakness matchups well. Wow I said a lot shows how much i'm into the fate series enough to argue about fictional characters being stronger then others.
@@KMANAQUA In the visual novel it is never mentioned EMIYA was left bleeding and messed up after taking Gae Bolg like he was in the anime adaptation. Meaning Archer without even using UBW is relative to Cu Chulainn. This makes sense since EMIYA with UBW is meant to be a servant powerful enough to compete with FULL POWER Saber and kill 5 times Heracles, feats that are way beyond anything Lancer has shown.
I took a power scaling approach since it is the less biased way to make a Top Strongest, specially in Fate were depending on your abilities you can be able to compete with characters that are hundreds of times stronger than you (aka Shirou vs Gilgamesh).
Using stats to determine who is stronger is very fishy as we don't know what is the power gap between two servants that have equal stats except one has luck A and the other D. By just arguing using stats instead of actual feats and statements, we are missing the point of the debate, which is to determine who is STRONGER (aka the one with the hisghest POWER LEVEL) and not who would win in a fight.
As for Cu fighting Gilgamesh for 12 hours, I don't remember that even being stated. If it was, please send me a link. However, even if it was stated, it can just be argued that Gilgamesh was simply toying with Lancer, as he defeated Heracles without breaking a sweat.
@@guesswho8556 Okay I understand your video more now with the power system. You can argue that archer is above cu when it comes to power but you make it sound like he can beat lancer in a fight. First stats are important because if you played the game you would know that cu anti unit np can one shot anyone relating to the opponent luck. Maybe you should read the description about lancer noble phantasm. Kings character like saber and Gilgamesh usually have high luck while emiya and medusa who are strong have E luck. For example in the first fight of the series when cu was preparing to use gae bolg anti unit even when weaken by a command spell Rin thought that if lancer uses that then archer will lose. Archer also said to rin when lancer stop to go shank shirou that it save his life. It sucks that the only time he used the most broken noble phantasm was against a high luck saber with intuition and it was weaken by a command spell.
For stats in generally it weird that you say that stats are fishy because we all know saber with rin got a amazing boost in stats and no differences to np. You clearly understand that a saber with rin is way stronger then the shirou in this video but of course stats aren't everything and it a combination of stats, skills and nps. The difference is that Cu oneshot np direclt relates to luck stat. That why people have a hard time arguing between medusa and cu becuase they can both kill each other. It really depends on who uses there np first while emiya cant compete with them.
For the vn with emiya bleeding vs lancer fight Unlimited Blade Works - Day 14 - Lance of Sure Hit, Shield of No Loss. Maybe you should watch the whole video to understand my previous comment and why emiya stands no chance on winning but if you want to see the arm 9:02 on the video.
For cu vs gilgamesh I have the Fate/complete material 2 character material and it says it there. I wish I can show the image but here what NASU said in lancer page 73 "He was defeated by Gil in the church basement. We didn't elaborate on this in the game, but lancer was actually battling against Gil for half a day before he lost, so I think its safe to say that Gil sustained some serious injuries from that encounter." In my opinion it weird what NASU said in the end "I think" he the one who created the story shouldn't he know but he the creator and that why I seen many people using this argument in other sites and youtube videos.
Another feat you should know is that lancer fought everyone and survive before emiya and saber but of course he wasn't allowed to kill them due to command spell. I understand why you put archer because of feats he does have more impressive feats. We only got one serious lancer fight in fate stay night but if your talking about strongest characters. Reading about what lancer can do and the one feat of destroying emiya. It easy to see why in many fate fight fans would put cu in the top tier with karna or right below that with mordred
@@KMANAQUA thanks for the info. Still, even if Cu COULD win in a fight against Emiya, there is more evidence to place archer above him than there is the other way around.
Even if the second form of Gae Bolg, wich is just B+ is stated to be able to be a one shot anyone, so is his first form and we saw Saber survive it. Even if Cu Chulainn had a command spelm restricting him, he was surprised when Saber dodged it.
It can be argued that his statements in the description of the noble phantams fall into the no limits fallacy and are just a byproduct of the lore behind the legend of each characters. For example: Enuma Ellish is stated to be an "anti WORLD" NP but does this mean he can destroy entire planets and that Gilgamesh is therefore a PLANET BUSTER?? Sadly there is no evidence to back this up and feats in the series even contradict it.
Using the mechanics of the game isn't either a valid source of information even if it can sometimes give some light in some cases.
If Emiya tried to pull out UBW on Cu he'd get stabbed in the heart for his troubles.
If EMIYA used Avalon and excalibur he would blink away Cu
dark sakura is the most powerfull character of all
hero emiya
Read the comments, I already explained that topic.
The summary is that in the Visual novel Cu couldn't finish off BASE archer but UBW Archer was on par with FULL POWER saber.
@@guesswho8556 Didnt CU just let emiya live in both instances? Just like he let saber off the hook?
Emiya was screwed after blocking gaybolg. It took him a lot of mana. Meanwhile for Cu gaebolg felt like a simple javelon throw. What makes Cu dangerous is his ability to spam his np without losing much mana. Think of him as a smg. The guy could have killed emiya had he not told Cu of his intentions in ubw.
I've been reading some of your comments. It seems you think Cu is base emiya level while UBW emiya is stronger.
Theres no such thing. Against CU emiya is just emiya. UBW wont work on him. You can throw all the swords you want he'll dodge them like the top dog he is. He can even fire the excaliblast which lets be honest is a degraded version. Emiya would be left exhausted and Cu will most likely survive it by dodging or tanking it with his runes. Or he'd just use his version 1 gaebolg and delete emiya.
Cu is well above emiya. Just bcz emiya killed heracles or Cu was stated to be diarmuid lvl in an interview doesnt make cu any weaker.
Remember that diarmud had tactical advantage over a full powered Zero saber.
Give me a good reason other than your powerscaling as to why emiya is above Cu.
@@bluemoon9683 READ THE TOP COMMENT
Just use All Feats in series and Data Stats From TYPE Moon Wiki and Official Material Book
Gilgamesh Archercomposite >Heracles Berseker Composite >Cu Chulainn Composite (With Anti Unit Noble Phantasm )>Artoria Pendragon Composite > Artoria Pendragon Alter Composite >Medusa Rider Composite , Why did I put Cu on top of Artoria? keep in mind that Cu has High Divinity, namely Divinty Rank B, and don't forget the Gae Bolg Anti Unit is a Conceptual weapon because before his spear actually hit his enemy, his heart had been pierced by gae bolg, and in FSN Cu never used Gae Bolg in that way, you just Do you want to use Feats ?, Bruh Scalling actually has to enter the Stats and Lore data from the material book which is also summarized on the wiki, no matter the ability appears in his series or not.
Cu already used Gae Bolg's Anti Unit version agaisnt Saber and she blocked it thanks to her instincts and luck lol.
And it is stated multiple times that FULL POWER Saber and Saber Alter are stronger than Heracles.
Have you even watched fate?
Isnt sakura completely op ?
why?
@@guesswho8556 i meant as the grail... Unless i missed something she wrecked gil (without EA ofc). I only know the first two movies of heavens feel, not the route, but isnt she de facto the most powerful being in this war ?
@@popkhorne5372 It is debatable. I would recommend you to wait for the final film and if you still disagree with this list we could discuss it then if you want.
@@guesswho8556 agreed ! 😀
The thing make me stop continue this anime bcz the power of Gilgamesh destroyed taste of that anime. And that can be a reason why that anime doesn't have a lot of fans. I think the story can be better, drawing and animation great but story unfortunately bad.
"destroyed taste"? Fate has a lot of fans, millions of them, just because it's not as popular as for example the big 3 doesn't mean "it doesn't have a lot of fans". The story is good, characterization is great, explain what makes you say the story is bad?
Lol type moon is takes realistic approach, not some shonen shit
N°1 Arcueid ^^
Does arcueid appear in fate zero or stay night?
@@guesswho8556 nope but Touko did and the Dead apostles who are only explained in tsukihime if I remembered correctly appeared in Fate Zero so it's hard to not count the other character from the nasuverse in my opinion but I understand if you try to stay focus on the Fate series only
I do have a question why is dark sakura lower then Gilgamesh ?
When dark sakura straight up ate Gilgamesh
Oh lord Cu is above Emiya and Medusa
No. He himself claimed Medusa's Bellerophon was too strong in Hollow Ataraxia
@@guesswho8556 how do u scale ur fights in fate? Since there could be multiple ways a fight could happen I like to do “out of the 10” and I could see more ways Cu kill Medusa then Medusa killing him
but thts me
@@phantomking2203 That's just your opinion. Cu hinting that he can't do anything against Bellerophon is a fact.
@@guesswho8556 yea its mine opinion, And thts is the only thing she can really do to kill him while Cu has multiple ways to kill her
@@phantomking2203 When you determine who is stronger, you go for the strongest attack vs the strongest attack. If Medusa opens with Bellerophon, there's nothing Cu can do. If Cu opens with Gae Bolg + runes, Medusa counters with Bellerophon. End of story.
Dude I LITERALLY DONT GET IT, if shiro can beat the fuck out of gilgamesh that means archer is WAYYY stronger than him. ARCHER IS FUTURE SHIRO ,replace gilgamesh with archer. Shiro beat the living hell out of gilgamesh. Now say archer was fighting gilgamesh, archer will obviously win because he is future shiro and shiro can beat gilgameshes ass. Soooo fix the list.
You do know gilgamesh wasn't going all out right
Actually
Emiya could take down artoria alter and normal one
As well as full power heracles berserker
Berserker only could win against emiya because he had illya full support and he didnt protect her ( like gilgamesh only aimed at illya)
@@BNF5005 prob
Im just saying the top servant cant win to emiya
And salter its not that strong without inf mana
Bc emiya could beat her up prety easily
how are the homunculus stronger than hassasin, kiritsugu and kotomine?
saber is no match for saber alter
Illya's homunculus has been stated to be as strong as medusa (aka have B rank strength). Just like medusa toyed with hassan, leyritt would destroy hassan.
@@pablogr6960 and saber alter is indeed a match to saber alter as it was stated alter servants are equal to their regular counterparts just with better stamina. Add to that something called AVALON and saber stomps saber alter. If you didn't read the visual novel or watch 2006 deens adaptation I understand your confusion.
@@guesswho8556I dont know, man i dont remember saber been able to destroy berserker in any adaptation, but if you consider Avalon and ignore the mana gap as consequence of the masters I guess I can Belive you if thats in the light novels
@@guesswho8556 where can You see that, I think it must ba a missunderstanding, that would mean the ainzbern could easily win the fifth grail war
Emiya Shirou overpowered than Gilgamesh.
yes.
@@guesswho8556 no
@@evilman1652 he did overpower him. Watch their fight. Gilgamesh was obviously not going all out bit shirou did beat him.
@@guesswho8556 It seems you don't know the reason. Gil was too cocky and shiro take him down. Gil in fate zero or fate grand order absolute demonic front babylonia would never lose against. Gil is really too overpowered. Go inform yourself
@@evilman1652 so according to you shirou didn't surpass the amount of power gil was using??
Did you even read my previous comment before telling me to inform myself?
Serious Gil > Shirou > Cocky Gil
Muramasa Sengo is the strongest in fate
Muramasa doesn't appear in fate zero / stay night.
yeah, but he's the Strongest Character
@@satamali5126 no
you no he's the strongest
@@satamali5126 care to explain?
Good list but Hassan the cursed arm is op as hell in fate/stay night heavens feel l, he killed lancer in one strike
Yet he got bodied by emiya and medusa
But lancer was going all out and he still beat him, and you've got to appreciate tha character a little bit. I mean he was a psychopath but a well developed one
I'm not saying he is the best but the fight with lancer was great and he beat lancer but I think the developer just wanted to kill him off so they kill him that way
@@Zaelots Cu wasn't going all out. Kirei used a command spell to restrain him when fighting any other servant for the first time in order to test how strong they are.
@@Zaelots nasu said that he would tie with sasaki kojirou
Good list. Couple notes:
-Rin should hypothetically be higher by merit of HF. If you haven't read the VN, you'll see in the last movie
-Gilles is way too high. Him conjuring Chuthlu required tons of prep and arguably any anti army NP is enough to destroy it. His caster container is also a hard nerf. Seeing him that high is way too weird...
-Cu should NOT be lower than EMIYA. He should be right above Rider and behind Saber/Berserker. Cu has parameters even with Rider + Hax NP with low cost + massive vitality. EMIYA had to play mind tricks to get Cu to use his NP's other variation to avoid death. It wasn't a slight edge. I could go on but Cu has always been portrayed as his better.
-Berserker>Saber Alter. The VN explicitly says they're equal but it's the shadow that tips things in Alters side. Thing is, Alter canonically can't kill him all 12 times. Even in the movie, Berserker still has some life before getting absorbed and would just be able to tank her stuff after he heals.
1) I didn't count the jewelled sword since it was shirou the one that projected it. Her placement will be corrected in my future Top 50 Strongest Fate Franchise characters video.
2) It isn't weird in any way. Tokiomi stated only Ea could posibly take it down and it was required for Excalibur to fully charge in order to be defeated. Even Iskandar's Ionioi Hetairioi couldn't do anything about him. None of the characters bellow him on the list have the power necessary to take him down.
This video only lists characters based on their strength not on who would win in a fight. Therefore preptime is allowed for the caster class servants.
3) Cu has been stated to be weaker than Diarmuid who isn't even BASE Artoria level. It was also stated that even if he used his runes he would barely stand a chance against herc.
EMIYA on the other hand killed herc 6 times without going all out and even without a master giving him mana and after tanking gae bolg he could keep up with BASE Artoria (who is stronger than Diarmuid).
UBW EMIYA would just blow up at long range Cu either with Excalibur Image, Caldbolg II, or Gae Bolg, one shot him in close quartes either with Nine Lives or Gae Bolg, and block Gae Bolg either with Avalon, Rho Aias, Excalibur image...... UBW EMIYA clearly outshines Cu.
UBW EMIYA > BASE Artoria & 5 LIVES Heraces > Cu Chulainn and Diarmuid
4) It was stated by Illya in the Fate Route that FULL POWER Excalibur would have taken all of Herc's lives with a single shot. In Heaven's Feel Saber Alter accomplished said feat. That is why Shirou just had to kill him once with Nine Lives. Ufotable just had Artoria use less power to have a more entertaining fight.
The statement you mentioned of Saber Alter being equal to Herc and superior if she has the back up of the shadow was made before she used Excalibur. Therefore it only means Herc and salter are equals BASE TO BASE.
@@guesswho8556 1.) Fair
2.) None of the other F/Z cast aside from Saber/Gil had the firepower to deal with Chuthlu. Based on its mats, an anti army atk of A+ or so could do it. So Rider(FSN), Cu(Conditionally), Archer could nullify it.
3.) Let's break down Lancer vs Archer since I 100% disagree on this one. Cu is the fastest Fuyuki Servant, so he isn't going to just let Archer get to long range. He's a servant that also negates most projectiles. So even if Archer pushes Cu back in long range like FHA, he'll likely never get a fatal blow unless he manipulates the situation like in UBW. Caladbolg II? Cu will notice it immediately for evasion like Herc. Excalibur Image? That projection per word of Author kills EMIYA after use. Gae Bolg? Not useful against someone who specializes using it. NLBW? That only worked within the context of the HF fight. Cu is a monster whose skill at the Lance is top 3 in the verse
@@bl_rose5367 1) Still Saber needed to fully charge Excalibur to destroy Gilles de Rais.
Even before that Gilles was toying with Gordius Wheel, BASE Artoria and Diarmuid and Tokiomi said only Ea could take it down. Yes only Gil and Saber had access to A+ anty army or above nps but you are forgetting something crucial. Is Ea the only weapon of that power level in Gate of Babylon?? NO.
Lorewise there are many weapons on that level in the possession of Gil and still Tokiomi didn't consider asking Gil to throw a few of them. He went straight and asked for Ea. Since Excalibur in the Fate/Zero & Stay Night continuity has been stated numerous times to be Ea's equal if not slightly weaker, Gilles only being weaker than characters on King Arthur's level is consistent. Therefore there is no evidence any of the servants you mentioned would be able to take him down.
2) It was stated that even with his runes he would barely stand on equal footing with Herc so just because Heracles evaded Caladbolg II in the visual novel, it doesn't prove Cu would too, specially if we consider Heracles only evaded said attack thanks to his EYE OF THE MIND.
Thanks to this skill, Heracles "is capable of calm analysis of battle conditions, by which competent grasp of the status of the self and the opponent are obtainable even in the midst of danger" .
Cu on the other hand can only deal with projectiles with his Protection against arrows skill which doesn't work against "a weapon that explodes on impact, or a direct attack by a weapon that has simply long reach". Therefore Cu isn't surviving Calladbolg II or Excalibur Image.
3) You are confusing Excalibur and Excalibur image. EMIYA can project a 100% exact copy of Excalibur but in exchange he would disappear after using it. Excalibur image is just a weaker version which he can use without said disadvantage. This "weaker version" would still be able to nuke Cu, as even when Shirou was about to die at the end of Heaven's Feel he could have projected Excalibur Morgan to destroy Angra Manyu and EMIYA post tanking Gae Bolg and without a master giving him mana in UBW could have projected Excalibur to fight saber. Clearly EMIYA can make decent copies of Excalibur without dying.
4) Even if that were false, he could still use avalon to replenish his stamina and heal his wounds, meaning a wanked EMIYA would one shot Cu with a 99% accurate copy of Excalibur and then use avalon to avoid dying.
5) Nine Lives Blade Works has been stated to have "GOD SPEED", a claim that was never made regarding either Herc's, Bellerophon's or Cu's speed. There's no evidence Cu is avoiding said attack.
6) Cu being top 3 most skilled lancers in the verse doesn't prove anything. It was stated Sasaki Kojirou was more skilled with a sword than Artoria. Does this mean False Assassin, a guy that's arguably weaker than Medea is a King Arthur level servant? No. Stop. Skill doesn't equal power.
@@guesswho8556 Mainly going over the Cu stuff, since that's my main gripe.
1.) Protection from Arrows is still perception analysis. This means, the moment EMIYA launches an arrow in Lancer's field of vision, he'll detect it. He ain't no Herc, but Lancer has the speed to outrun the BP. The Caladbolg argument doesn't work unless EMIYA influences Lancer somehow.
2.) I'm not mixing them. EMIYA/Shirou can't 100% produce Excalibur(per mats and even weird continuity like Prisma). Even Nameless producing Image without death is conditional. EMIYA doesn't have that luxury. Fact is, he says attempting the projection kills him, so it's moot.
3.) We don't know if EMIYA still has Avalon or if he can even use it. If he did though, wouldn't we have seen it in some media 15 years later?
4.) NLBW doesn't outpace Lancer. If Lancer's speed rivals Berserker's, then how is a degraded technique of his going to outpace Lancer? The move worked in HF due to Berserker's condition and Shirou copying him. If he'd tried that on normal Berserker, he wouldn't have even landed a hit. At that point, EMIYA would rather use TLCW to try to find an opening in Lancer.
@@bl_rose5367 1) I gave you a direct quote of how projection agaisnt arrows works. It doesn't work against projectiles that blow on contact. Even if he reads the trajectory of the attack, it is tstated he won't be able to defend himslef. This is a fact.
2) When asked about EMIYA vs Medusa Nasu said he would need a Excalibur level projection to defeat her but that would run out of mana. Meaning he CAN make a 100% accurate replica. Meaning if he doesn't want to use of his mana, all he has to do is use less mana to make a more reliabale weaker sword. This is kinder garden logic.
Lets say he also dies if he makes a projection with power only as strong as 50% excalibur because excalibur is a divime construct and whether you make a 1% or 100 replica you die or whatever. OK, then I'll say he just has to use a weaker np such as Excalibur Galatine or Clarent Blood Arthur.
3) It doesn't matter whether EMIYA still has it or not. He has a perfect mold inside and he comes from a timeline similar to the fate route where saber and him managed to defeat Gilgamesh. Therefore he can make a 100% replica.
And us not having seen it doesn’t prove anything. We have also not seen FULL POWER Artoria use Avalon even though she is tge face of the franchise so if we someday see avalon again it will be with artoria, not with emiya.
4) Even of Heracles wasn't at full power when he fought shirou, the first 8 strikes were faster than him, even though Shirou was using projection for the first time and was shiting his pants from the moment he took off the shroud of martin. EMIYA clearly would have made a much powerful nine lives projection.
Cu on the other hand has been stated to BARELY be able to keep up with Heracles when he uses BOTH his runes and Np so if Nine Lives is greater than heracles, it is also greater than cu.
And when discussing nine lives we are conceding that cu would be able to survive Caladbolg II or Excalibur Image and close the gap between them which he can't do.
Even if Cu surpassed Nine Lives, EMIYA has speed and Mind's Eye to keep up with him as we saw in their actual fight, where he was able to dodge point blanck attacks even from the back.
5) LONG RANGE: Caladbolg II or an unspecified Sword Np one shot Cu 100% of the time.
IF CU THROWS GAE BOLG: Emiya blocks it with his own Gae Bolg, Rho Aias or Avalon 100% time.
IF THEY FIGHT CLOSE RANGE: Nine Lives ome shots Cu. Let's be generous and say it only defeats Cu 60% of the time.
Unless their fight plays out as it did in UBW and EMIYA doesn't go all out Cu has nl chance of winning.
Wait how the hell rin is stronger than her father and how dark sakura isn't the strongest one she rules the war and really ? Diarmuid can beat shirou ? Shirou in HF beated Salter in a duel with swords and how the hell cursee arm is weaker than sakaki kojiro ??? The zabaniya can kill him like nothing and zouken is the strongest magus there
The shadow end off gil quickly you have to put in the first place even the ea wouldn't work at the shadow (angra mainyu) and caster gille was just lucky by reviving that creature to live and using it with his magical book he is very weak in the fact
For me this list will be better :
1_Shadow(angra mainyu)
2_Gilgamesh
3_Saber Artoria
4_Iskander
5_Saber Alter
6_Berserker heracles
7_Emiya (Archer/Shirou HF)
8_Lancelot
9_Rider medusa
10_Lancer Cú
11_Medea gille Caster
12_Duarmuid
13_Cursed arm Hassan
14_Sakaki kojiro
15_Zouken matou
16_Kiritsugu Emiya
17_Kotomine Kirei
18_Tokiomi Tohsaka
19_Illyasviel dress of heaven
20_Irisviel
21_Kariya
22_Lord el melloi keynith
23_Einzbern guardians
24_Soichiro
25_Luviagelita
26_Rin Tohsaka
27_Natalia
28_Mia
1) THE SHADOW SOLOS: If Angra Mainyu had been born sure, he would be the strongest character in Fate but Dark Sakura BYHERSELF being TOP TIER is BS.
You forget that Sakura was defeated by Rin with the Jewel Sword. By your logic, Rin at that point would have been the strongest being in the series but this isn't true, as EXCALIBUR was the STATED to be the STRONGEST sword Shirou could project (meaning: Excalibur > Jewel Sword) and Saber being stronger than Rin ( base to base), meaning bare minimum Saber Alter > Rin > Sakura.
If you were consistent, you would have gone with: Shirou > Saber Alter > Rin > Sakura > Gilgamesh.
2) SHIROU IS AS STRONG AS ARCHER AND TOP TIER: Shirou did indeed defeat Saber in a sword fight, but you forget that a MUCH STRONGER Shirou (that HADN'T BEEN WEAKENED after using projection many times previously) almost lost to a BLIND WEAKENED Heracles. FULL POWER HERACLES being STATED to be WEAKER than FULL POWER BASE Artoria. This proves Shirou isn't even BASE Saber (Rin's Servant) Level.
He just performed as well as he did against Saber because Saber's agility was fodder after being blackened, Shirou overwhelmed her with his speed and consecutive projections and because Saber didn't use Excalibur against her.
3) SASAKI KOJIROU IS WEAKER THAN HASSAN: hahahahah. You are very cute. Sasaki Kojirou was powerful enough to fight EMIYA and make him flee back to the Tohsaka Mansion, WEAKENED and DEPLETED of mana. He could also keep up with Rin's Saber (STATED to be stronger than Heracles).
How is he weaker than Hassan who couldn't even keep up with BASE EMIYA or BASE Medusa?? Nonsense.
4) GILLES DE RAIS IS FODDER: In his Monster Form, he was stronger than Iskandar (w/ Gordius Wheel) + Base Saber + Diarmuid. Even Iskandar with his Ionioi Hetairoi (EX Rank) couldn’t defeat him. Tokiomi even said that only Ea (EX Rank) would be powerful enough to take him down.
How is a character that can ONLY be taken down with Excalibur or Enuma Ellish number 11? Then again, nonsense.
5) ISKANDAR IS STRONGER THAN SABER ALTER: How?? REGULAR SABER ONE SHOTED a character who Iskandar couldn't defeat. Excalibur is STATED to be an ALMOST EQUAL to Ea in power and what happened the moment the moment Gilgamesh pulled out Ea against Iskandar? Ionioi Hetairioi was completely destroyed. This PROVES Artoria would solo Ionio Hetairoi with just one swing of Excalibur.
6) WHAT IS TOKIOMI'S BEST FEAT? Toying with Kariya??? How is he more powerful than Rin, who managed to BLOW UP HERACLE'S HEAD? Your ranking of Tokiomi can only be supported with HEADCANON.
The are other mistakes with your list but this were the most outrageous.
For Azoth, it was an anti-shadow of Sakura and not the strongest of them. Infinite energy is what Sakura possesses with the shadow. There would never have been anything more powerful than the shadow.
As for Hassan, he is certainly stronger than Sakaki kojiro because Sakaki kojiro is already very weak and even weaker than Hassan thousand faces and he us just good in the duel with sword for that he was able to duel with archer emiya, and archer was able to end sakaki with one blow from calladaborg, so abviously the zabaniya was able to end him easily
Caster is weaker he just found that monster dead in the water and he revived him as his servant-monster and i am still sure if iskander used his reality marble three time he was able to end him
Iskander is stronger than saber alter
Salter just got an infinite energy from dark sakura so she was able to resch her strongest statements
While the master of iskander was waver !!! Waver is one of the weakest master in Zero, so abviously we will not see his true power like we did with saber alter
Tokiomi didn't show anything all he does is watching in all the war but he is a very great magus and everyone know that all what rin have learned is his knowledges and Rin still a kid she is not able to do so much as his father did
@@emiyashirou2069 You didn't give prove for any of the things you just claimed.
@@guesswho8556
Read again please
@@emiyashirou2069 1) Sakura has ALMOST infinite mana but even if she did, it was STATED she can ONLY use a FINITE amount at a time.
2) KOJIROU IS WEAKER THAN THE HUNDRED FACED HASSAN: Prove it.
3) 3X IONIOI HETAIRIOIS WOULD DEFEAT BLUEBEARD: Prove it.
4) IONIOI HETAIRIOI CAN BE USED 3 TIMES CONSECUTIVELY: Prove it.
5) WE DIDN'T SEE FULL POWER ISKANDAR: Prove Waver wasn't good at giving him magical energy.
Prove Iskandar wasn't at full power when he fought Gilgamesh and was being amped by COMMAND SPELLS.
6) RIN CAN'T DO WHAT HIS FATHER COULD: Prove it. Prove Tokiomi can blow up Heracles head and fight one on one Medea.