I love seeing other people from Michigan but yeah I wasn’t born when it sunk but I love the song because I listen to it with my dad, I really wish I got to see it in person seems like a good ship
Born in 1972 In TC (Traverse City MI) I can not make it through the song without crying. I was adopted as a infant so I feel a very strong connection with the ship and crew.
The scenario that seems to make the most sense (at least to me) is this: Her radar and direction finding capabilities were all down. As a result, they got too close to Caribou island and ran aground. Water now coming in below the surface and the hull is structurally compromised (downed fence rails support this theory). Pumps were running but they couldn't keep up. The Fitz was slowly losing buoyancy. Rogue wave #1 hits from behind and drives the bow under the surface. Normally a ship that size just pops up and shakes it off like a wet dog but the extra water weight slowed this process. She hadn't fully recovered from wave #1 so her bow was still angled downward when rogue wave #2 hits from behind. Bow is driven below the surface all the way to the bottom. The lake isn't all that deep in relation to the overall length of the ship so the bow hits the bottom with the stern still above water. The impact obliterates about 200 feet of the compromised hull (similar to crushing a soda can). The bow section comes to rest at the bottom pointing in the Fitz's last known (approx.) compass heading. The stern slips in and out of Arthur M Anderson's radar as it bobs on the surface for a minute before slipping under. In short - it was over before the crew would have had a chance to react.
Captain Bernie Cooper of the Arthur M. Anderson always maintained that the Fitz may have bottomed out near Caribou Island. He said he could see on the radar that the Fitzgerald was a lot closer to Caribou Island than he'd ever want to be while downbound. Not long after they passed Caribou Island, the Fitzgerald contacted the Anderson and said "I've got a little problem. I have a fence rail down, I'm missing two vent covers, and I've taken a starboard list." Captain Cooper says that taking an immediate starboard list is a pretty good indicator there may have been a hole or a stress fracture in the hull at that point.
I think the ship was taking on more water then it could handle and got over taken with a big wave and couldn't recover..... Even though the ship rolled a bit much in this animation, it was a good video, even better with the song, thanks for posting.........
My theory is, a 3 theories are correct. The hatches were loose, so she was taking on water. That alone wouldn't have sank her, but it contributed to grounding on the shoal off caribou island as she was riding lower than lower than usual which may have popped a hole in her or at the very least did structural damage, the the two waves finished her off. I think she split in two on the surface due to the waves and then went down. It was catastrophic and quick which is why no mayday call.
She had run aground earlier in the year to because she was so overloaded to break those records. They planned on putting her into dry dock to effect repairs at least that's what one historian that lost his uncle on the ship said he saw on records
@@tinypoolmodelshipyard Yeah, literally the entire song playing in the background of this video describes, in great detail might I add, what happened to that ship and its crew and this guy is still acting like the guy who made this video is an idiot. 🤦
Interesting perspective, but the ship is rolling way too much. The taconite would have shifted and caused it capsize much sooner. But no ones really knows.
Do you know Gordon Lightfoot when he passed away the bells, ring 30 times to include him. I’m on the 29 other people who lost on the Edmund Fitzgerald.rip ❤
@@insertnamehere313 I’d love to continue this discussion, as it’s always been very fascinating to me as well. We can take it offline if you prefer. I think you will find though that the reports of rolling happened earlier in the storm. Around the time of the sinking she had a fairly significant list and was taking seas over her stern. A couple of things I’d like to note, as you seem very well educated as it pertains to the Fitz. I find it very curious and telling that when the wreck was found, the pilot house door is dogged open. Certainly not normal in a storm like that. Also, while I agree with the statements made about the Fitz in the documentary, there was another side to her. She had a loose keel that had troubled her for years and had been constantly rewelded. She was also known to actually not be a very stable ship. Even according to McSorley she had a habit of springing like after someone jumped off of a diving board. Also doing what McSorley called “the wiggling thing” and that the ship sometimes scared him. I also found it very telling that the “sister” ship to the Fitz was scrapped rather quickly and quietly shortly after being lengthened, and when after the Fitzgerald sinking, the coast guard wanted to examine that ship, the owners refused. I have always thought there were known design issues there. When you switch from a combination welded/riveted construction to a completely welded construction, you do lose flexibility for the ship to “work” in heavy weather. I’m open to your thoughts. Always nice to be able to share.
Ron Wilson I have been interested in this story since I was a kid and remembering it happening. Have done much amateur investigating and would enjoy a conversation with you on it, if you are interested.
@@craigkohler7095 I welcome any conversation regarding the Fitzgerald. I’ve amassed a huge amount of data since the sinking and have always been completely fascinated by this subject. If a person does enough research and can pull details from several different reliable resources, some very interesting conclusions can be drawn. To be certain, no one knows what the cause of the sinking was, and if they claim to they are not being truthful. On the other hand there is a very large amount of information that we can basically call facts. If we take an objective look at all of this data we can at least make an educated guess on very many details. I’d love to share data and discuss more. For instance, I know that leading up to the sinking, she had a pretty significant list. I can go into great detail about significant that information is. Has anyone ever heard anyone describe how many degree list she had? I have not. I am open to any additional discussions on any platform you choose as well. I have been lucky enough to see detailed engineering plans and countless pictures taken of her during construction as well. There are so many pieces to this puzzle but it is truly fascinating. At the same time, a very sad tragedy as well…
Perhaps not rolling that much but for what it's worth, I think the tribute this creator did is very nice. When doing work with history, you'll not get everything correct, that's just a fact.
@@groupisnear What is the process in order to get Gordon Lightfoot's song attached to your video. This is so well done and the music enhances it ever more. Well done.
Sure this isn't Triple A game graphics, but it's not Minecraft. If it was the ship would be built out of all blocks. There is no smooth curves in that game.
@Crasher You know, you are correct. Regardless of the accuracy it's waaaaay better than I could do. I rescind my earlier comment and express my admiration for the videos creator! (I did USCG active duty and have always been fascinated by the story of the Fitzgerald)
@@bpruett6819 It's history and well in history, one is never gonna get everything correct as you pointed out. :) I like that this person (or maybe more than one person) did their best. :) Respect. :)
RIP Gordon Lightfoot 1938-2023 You will always be one of our Canadian icons. Love from NL, Canada.
"Does anyone know where the love of God goes when the waves turn the minutes to hours?" RIP to the 29.
As a Michigander the Edmund Fitzgerald runs deep in my soul.
Thanks for representing the "Mighty Fitz"
Did you ever hear her horn?
Same here.
I love seeing other people from Michigan but yeah I wasn’t born when it sunk but I love the song because I listen to it with my dad, I really wish I got to see it in person seems like a good ship
@@mylifesucks7821 I wasn't born either when she sank but as a Canadian this spoke to me because of Mr Lightfoot.
Born in 1972 In TC (Traverse City MI) I can not make it through the song without crying. I was adopted as a infant so I feel a very strong connection with the ship and crew.
There is a cool museum in the upper peninsula of Michigan in the town of Paradise Mi. their is some parts of the ship there...very cool memorial.
Also, in Sault ste Marie Michigan the ship valleycamp has the lifeboats.
The scenario that seems to make the most sense (at least to me) is this:
Her radar and direction finding capabilities were all down. As a result, they got too close to Caribou island and ran aground. Water now coming in below the surface and the hull is structurally compromised (downed fence rails support this theory). Pumps were running but they couldn't keep up. The Fitz was slowly losing buoyancy. Rogue wave #1 hits from behind and drives the bow under the surface. Normally a ship that size just pops up and shakes it off like a wet dog but the extra water weight slowed this process. She hadn't fully recovered from wave #1 so her bow was still angled downward when rogue wave #2 hits from behind. Bow is driven below the surface all the way to the bottom. The lake isn't all that deep in relation to the overall length of the ship so the bow hits the bottom with the stern still above water. The impact obliterates about 200 feet of the compromised hull (similar to crushing a soda can). The bow section comes to rest at the bottom pointing in the Fitz's last known (approx.) compass heading. The stern slips in and out of Arthur M Anderson's radar as it bobs on the surface for a minute before slipping under.
In short - it was over before the crew would have had a chance to react.
Captain Bernie Cooper of the Arthur M. Anderson always maintained that the Fitz may have bottomed out near Caribou Island. He said he could see on the radar that the Fitzgerald was a lot closer to Caribou Island than he'd ever want to be while downbound. Not long after they passed Caribou Island, the Fitzgerald contacted the Anderson and said "I've got a little problem. I have a fence rail down, I'm missing two vent covers, and I've taken a starboard list." Captain Cooper says that taking an immediate starboard list is a pretty good indicator there may have been a hole or a stress fracture in the hull at that point.
What ever it was it was sad to lose those men. Still today my condolences goes out to the family's God bless you
Rip Gordon lightfoot
I think the ship was taking on more water then it could handle and got over taken with a big wave and couldn't recover..... Even though the ship rolled a bit much in this animation, it was a good video, even better with the song, thanks for posting.........
My theory is, a 3 theories are correct. The hatches were loose, so she was taking on water. That alone wouldn't have sank her, but it contributed to grounding on the shoal off caribou island as she was riding lower than lower than usual which may have popped a hole in her or at the very least did structural damage, the the two waves finished her off. I think she split in two on the surface due to the waves and then went down. It was catastrophic and quick which is why no mayday call.
She had run aground earlier in the year to because she was so overloaded to break those records. They planned on putting her into dry dock to effect repairs at least that's what one historian that lost his uncle on the ship said he saw on records
I saw on Wikipedia that the crew perished when the ship sank
Yes all 29 men.
"All that remains is the faces and the names. Of the Wives, the sons and the daughters"
@@tinypoolmodelshipyard Yeah, literally the entire song playing in the background of this video describes, in great detail might I add, what happened to that ship and its crew and this guy is still acting like the guy who made this video is an idiot. 🤦
@@hank05-1scpp
Great video, thanks.
Interesting perspective, but the ship is rolling way too much. The taconite would have shifted and caused it capsize much sooner. But no ones really knows.
She did not capizize the bow hit the floor and she split then the stern capizized
I'd like to hear from the Chippewea Tribe and their take.
I'm from Michigan I live on lake Huron when this happened the school was brought into the gym to pray for them very sad
Good work!!
Do you know Gordon Lightfoot when he passed away the bells, ring 30 times to include him. I’m on the 29 other people who lost on the Edmund Fitzgerald.rip ❤
I remember when that happened
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It wasn’t rolling anywhere near that much.
@@insertnamehere313 I’d love to continue this discussion, as it’s always been very fascinating to me as well. We can take it offline if you prefer. I think you will find though that the reports of rolling happened earlier in the storm. Around the time of the sinking she had a fairly significant list and was taking seas over her stern. A couple of things I’d like to note, as you seem very well educated as it pertains to the Fitz. I find it very curious and telling that when the wreck was found, the pilot house door is dogged open. Certainly not normal in a storm like that. Also, while I agree with the statements made about the Fitz in the documentary, there was another side to her. She had a loose keel that had troubled her for years and had been constantly rewelded. She was also known to actually not be a very stable ship. Even according to McSorley she had a habit of springing like after someone jumped off of a diving board. Also doing what McSorley called “the wiggling thing” and that the ship sometimes scared him. I also found it very telling that the “sister” ship to the Fitz was scrapped rather quickly and quietly shortly after being lengthened, and when after the Fitzgerald sinking, the coast guard wanted to examine that ship, the owners refused. I have always thought there were known design issues there. When you switch from a combination welded/riveted construction to a completely welded construction, you do lose flexibility for the ship to “work” in heavy weather. I’m open to your thoughts. Always nice to be able to share.
Of course. The Fitz was fully loaded. This game apparently simulates it empty without ballast
Ron Wilson I have been interested in this story since I was a kid and remembering it happening. Have done much amateur investigating and would enjoy a conversation with you on it, if you are interested.
@@craigkohler7095 I welcome any conversation regarding the Fitzgerald. I’ve amassed a huge amount of data since the sinking and have always been completely fascinated by this subject. If a person does enough research and can pull details from several different reliable resources, some very interesting conclusions can be drawn. To be certain, no one knows what the cause of the sinking was, and if they claim to they are not being truthful. On the other hand there is a very large amount of information that we can basically call facts. If we take an objective look at all of this data we can at least make an educated guess on very many details. I’d love to share data and discuss more. For instance, I know that leading up to the sinking, she had a pretty significant list. I can go into great detail about significant that information is. Has anyone ever heard anyone describe how many degree list she had? I have not. I am open to any additional discussions on any platform you choose as well. I have been lucky enough to see detailed engineering plans and countless pictures taken of her during construction as well. There are so many pieces to this puzzle but it is truly fascinating. At the same time, a very sad tragedy as well…
Perhaps not rolling that much but for what it's worth, I think the tribute this creator did is very nice. When doing work with history, you'll not get everything correct, that's just a fact.
She had the new radar the time that she sank!! And never rolled that much.
Thank you!
What’s this game called?
😄
App name,e
Ok
You know that its in 3 not 1
What’s this game?
Vehicle Simulator
@@AKAshorts3 expensive 😔😔😔
@Dan14 Cus Vehicle simulator
???…
@@AKAshorts3 Did a nice tribute to the Mighty Fitz considering this is actually a game. Great job, creator!!
What are you talking about
Are you talking to me I beg your pardon you need to show some respect.
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that what mc did
Not
Minecraft
Sir this is a sim
@@groupisnear What is the process in order to get Gordon Lightfoot's song attached to your video. This is so well done and the music enhances it ever more. Well done.
Sure this isn't Triple A game graphics, but it's not Minecraft. If it was the ship would be built out of all blocks. There is no smooth curves in that game.
Great graphics but, a highly inaccurate depiction of what happened. Update!! I rescind this comment! Read replies!!
at least this creator tried to represent. For what it's worth I think they did a fine tribute to the 29 and the 29 families.
@Crasher You know, you are correct. Regardless of the accuracy it's waaaaay better than I could do. I rescind my earlier comment and express my admiration for the videos creator! (I did USCG active duty and have always been fascinated by the story of the Fitzgerald)
@@bpruett6819 It's history and well in history, one is never gonna get everything correct as you pointed out. :) I like that this person (or maybe more than one person) did their best. :) Respect. :)