EDIT: Please do not be rude/disrespectful to Morgue anywhere online. Like I said in the video, people can disagree while being civil and respectful. The vibe of our art community is a communal project that we are all creating as we engage with each other, if you don't want it to be toxic, then don't engage in toxic behavior. Morgue also uses they/them pronouns according to their IG bio. End edit. This is a really important topic, and I know a lot of you will want to discuss it. If you're interested in having a more thoughtful and long-form conversation than the RUclips comment section can provide, some folks in my Discord server have been discussing this video since it came out. You can join that here: discord.gg/the-studio-lounge Drama-free videos incoming later this week. If you're interested in seeing more of the art shown throughout this video, you can do so here: ruclips.net/p/PLoo0DnvsjPWK0vig3MmsnggqUwgkF_zMA
Never call yourself a looser. You are brave and very creative artist 👩🏻🎨 after this rebuttal, flush that girls wrong and false accusations. You are doing so good with this video. Don’t make changes to please anyone. Please keep going with your knowledge and interest. You are valuable and I appreciate you doing both.
To say someone isn't an artist because they don't make tons of money is absurd. Clearly, this Morg person has never heard of the "starving artist." Morg should be ashamed. You don't have to mame art every day to be an artist, and you don't have to be making tons of expensive art to be an artist.
Your a very inspiring woman and artist and keep enjoying what you do... and think about yourself. Just watching your videos makes me keep on drawing and painting... Hopefully one day I can start making a good career out of my art skills like you do it... Keep it up... Don't let no one let you down👍🏽✌🏽🖤
You should not doubt yourself just because of people with no skill who have no other way to gain attention other than spreading negativity. they have no qualifications to judge anyone.
RIP. RUclips sure knows how to pick things with its algorithm... =-=;; that exact accusation video showed up in recommended. So unfortunately... not linking the video, while respectful, probably won't do much to prevent the slightly curious from clicking on it. Obviously not stopping the more curious ones from searching. But you've done what you could, so that should be applauded
I think it's great you are standing up for yourself Kelsey! It's really frustrating how people can just judge artists / people off of the limited scope of what they show on RUclips. I don't think anyone ever knows the full big picture of someone's story / journey, and even though making videos on RUclips can be considered a form of art, it's still not showing all the behind the scenes, work, and experimentation that goes on before drawing the conclusions you make in a video. I also think that you're not always obligated to share every art / all the art you do online, just like how you shouldn't with your life. I think we're in a world where artists already struggling with all that's happening, we need more reasons and ways to grow businesses independently of big studios and companies. Even if there are people that might not resonate with the type of business strategies you share, they still benefit your community and the artists who DO resonate, and as long as it helps them get their footing off the ground, that's what matters. I was really excited to see another artist or creative sharing business focused videos, because there's not enough of it online. I don't think you always need to be the "best" at something to just share that the option of making money as an artist this way exists, and that you can at least share your experience of what did or didn't work for you. Whether if it did or didn't work for you, it's still an option that's now presented to another artist out there who might be in a different situation where it could work for them, and I think the internet is a place where we all just kind of report our personal discoveries as artists. You're not here forcing anyone to buy your products or forcing them into a certain path, just presenting options, which is better than no options. Anyway I think you did a great video, and you shouldn't stop what you're doing.
Glad you're addressing these ridiculous claims. Their video was all over the place. First, they clearly don’t understand what a pyramid scheme is. The way they’ve generalized RUclips education is not only misinformed but potentially harmful. I agree there are issues in the space-I've even discussed some on my own channel-but lumping everyone into the same category is misleading. Not everything in the education space is a pyramid scheme; it’s more a reflection of the current landscape. I wouldn’t be where I am today without some fantastic educational channels that taught me the ropes. Secondly, since when did we start gatekeeping art? Art is fundamentally about freedom and self-expression, not rigid definitions. Who cares what’s “officially” labeled as art? Some of history’s most influential artists rejected labels entirely. RUclips is an art form, and you’re a perfect example of that. Personally, I tune into your channel for both the business insights and the creative perspective, and I’m sure a lot of viewers do the same. There’s no shame in having a range of strengths. Kelsey, your channel is a goldmine for so many of us, providing insights and inspiration that genuinely resonate. Keep doing exactly what you’re doing-you don’t need to change a thing. There’s a reason your content has built such a dedicated following, and it's because you’re authentic, relatable, and consistently bring value. Love your work, and it’s clear that so many others do too!
I totally agree to your comment! And to add: I was also taken aback at how building multiple streams of income - for example by making engaging content to get AdSense or from affiliate links - is so frowned upon by them?! Like, if I have some insights or use and like a product and would like to recommend it anyways, instead of gatekeeping it, it would be amazing to make some bucks by doing so. (Would also be kinda lit outside of the business context haha 😂) Being an artist and making a *living* from that in this time and age means you also have to absolutely start having a business mindset. And diversifying your streams of income instead of relying on just one thing is definitely something I learned before starting my own art business this year. And I also learned it in free, independent, government-substituted seminars run by a nonprofit. Of course, there are some people/businesses/creators out there that don‘t have the best intentions and mainly want to scam people to make some money in any way. But it‘s too undifferentiated to simply put everyone in the same pot. I mean, we all agree that there’s a massive difference between „artists who are also content creators and maybe offer coaching sessions“ and, on the other hand, „coaches who make money off of teaching others how to become a coach and make money by teaching others how to coach“. Right? Because the former is a small one-person-business with a smart mindset to diversify income and use one‘s strenghts. The latter is a manipulative pyramid business scheme. And then there‘s a whole spectrum in between that might not be easily identified, or people who started as the former and with time evolved into having tendencies of the latter or using some questionable sales tactics and so on. But accusing every artist or creator that they‘re a pyramid scheme just because they have a business mindset and diversify their income is, to put it shortly, a very undifferentiated and undercomplex statement that is not mirroring reality.
What sucks is the general concern in their video is valid- there has been a HUGE uptick in how many influencers want to sell you a course that you don’t need, littered with false promises. But at the end of the day, the thousands of hours you’ve poured into giving this info away in the most accessible ways possible clearly show there’s a difference here. Take care, Kelsey, you handled this with such grace.
He aimed to hit a real topic.... He left his envy get the best of him and target the wrong people. He could have spoken about the scammers(non-creatives) that make a living out of selling print-on-demand products and on their youtube speaking about marketing. He could have spoken about the black hole greed of social media platforms to have more and more and more content creators. He could have spoken about the intricacies of being an artist nowadays and what does it entails. He could have spoken about SO MANY THINGS. And he choosed wrong. But like, so wrong.
@bxwieknife I hope you can understand that YT doesn't pay creators very well so people have to monetize their content in whatever way works best for them. I myself shared free content for something that should've been monetized and I learned a hard lesson. I can't give all my content away or I will go out of business. We can do some free content but it's not a scam when we ask for compensation for other content. It's really hard to create content and share our hard earned knowledge. I suggest you only purchase what makes sense for you but please let's avoid judgement on creators that have a course. 💙💙💙
In my opinion in one of the biggest problems that I had with the video what's the fact that they were making fun of your mannerisms....just for no reason. There are some stuff that I will agree in terms of the creators opinion on being an artist on social media as a whole. But I would argue that you would completely lost me when you try to make fun of someone else's way of communicating the message through body language. I think it's truly disrespectful and kind of makes you look childish. Respectfully of course. I hope you're doing well Kelsey and I hope you come strong back from this much love ❤
Yeah personally that was a huge factor that made me take the video less seriously. Like if you have to resort to attacking someone's character or mannerisms then you don't really have that strong of an argument. And I left a comment on his video that making educational content is not a pyramid scheme and following a video format in order to get views is not but it's being a smart business owner. And saying that someone isn't an artist because you feel they don't share enough of their art for your liking, is just a wild statement.
They also keep labeling sharing her income as "bragging" so don't click on the video? You can already see the amount of money on the thumbnail if you're gonna label it as bragging that just sounds insecure
I have not been very engaging, but I have been watching your channel for just under 2 years now. First let me say, I voted for you to not respond. I didn't want to see this end up on drama channels. That said, your response is so graceful, and filled with compassion. I'm legit blown away and gained a lot more respect for you because of this. I haven't been in a spot where I can afford your products. But you offer so much knowledge, and really put out there, inspiring energy for other artists. You're one of the main reasons I started taking sharing my art, seriously. My last point, our world isn't conducive for artists. Some people have to work multiple jobs to support themselves and are only able to make a few artworks a year. They're still artists. That gatekeeping energy of artists aren't artists if they don't live, breath, sleep creating 24/7 is a bigger issue in the community. Kelsey, I'm glad you made this video.
I'm really glad you made a response video and thank you for the little shoutout. I will always be grateful for the advice you gave me and for all the videos you've made and all the love and care you've put into your community. I am still so devastated that this happened to you.
Thank you for the lovely comment on that community post! It really made my day when I read it, and it's amazing to see that one little email of advice made such an impact
@@KelseyRodriguez It really did and I think of you often and send little thoughts of gratitude your way. This video really gets me thinking about my approach to things in my industry too. You are a treasure and the lives you've touched and the people you've helped... I just can't thank you enough for all that you do. This video was fantastic and so beautifully put together. Here you go continuing to inspire me to better myself, my artwork, and my business. 💖
I make 0 right now and I'm an artist. I like your channel, and never once did it seem inauthentic. There are no rules to being an artist other than you make art.
I did watch Morgans video some weeks ago , I think your response is well balanced. There are many different types of artists and many different ways of making money as an artist. You are just sharing advice that is based on your personal experiences which has proved to be helpful for many.
Absolutely-in the original video, they acted like that was a negative, but it’s not at all. Being upfront about these things is a breath of fresh air compared to what we see in most of the space.
@carissaruth8399 tbf, you could call yourself an artist even if you make no money out of your art. You are thinking of professional painter/illustrator, but even that she'd still be one too because she still makes money off of it.
I remember seeing that video and feeling like it didn't ring true, it seemed like they had personal frustrations with their own situation and they were taking it out on artists making a living in a way that wasn't "the correct way" to them. They seemed young too, and idealistic. But making money as an artist can be done in multiple ways, to limit yourself to one or two ways is ... un-creative. I've been watching your videos since 2022 and never got the feeling you were scamming anyone. I think talking mainly about the financial aspect of art still qualifies you as an art channel last time I checked. If you choose not to make every video about pieces you're doing then it's not really anyone's business, it's your choice.
I felt like Kelsey was really out of place in that video as she doesn't fit the bill of what was being discussed, but I could name drop a few 'artist' channels advising others how to sell art, how to get into galleries, selling expensive courses etc meanwhile they're selling nothing and achieving nothing from the art itself. Nothing gets views and makes money like teaching people how to get views and make money. It's kind of a scourge in the art vid and art business vid community tbh. The Etsy advice vids are particularly damning. People claiming they made a million bucks from Etsy and then just... quit to teach others how to do it lol. Meanwhile zero proof, of course.
I think… it’s complicated. I can see where he’s coming from, I even agree with him in multiple points. I think we as a generation are reaching some fatigue regarding marketing strategies, which is why I do believe videos like his are important. I also however understand it’s a matter of… respect and perspective, maybe? We tend to forget we’re human beings who need to survive within the system. I am also not sure we’ll ever agree on a definition for art… but it’s certainly an interesting discussion. I hope the best for both of you as artists and content creators!
Right, the point is they could have had a discussion about sales or marketing. But instead they chose defamation, accusations of severe federal crimes, and also straight up mocked her looks, mannerisms, way of speaking, and even insulted her art and studio. All of that was unnecessary.
oh absolutely! I think it’s easy to forget anyone can see what we post online, even the people we’re speaking of. I can’t imagine how watching someone talk about me like that would feel like. I can’t help but feel for Morgan too, though. Since I think they touched some very important aspects of the sales world that I believe need to be talked more about; unfortunately the conversation went in (possibly and understandably) the worst direction possible.
i watched their whole video and felt very discouraged afterward. all this time, my sincerity and hard work could have been seen as a "pyramid scheme," and that i am not considered an artist. they are certainly entitled to their opinion, but i want you to know, Kelsey, that i've been watching your videos for a long time, and have been personally inspired not only by your advice but also by your art. You are truly an artist.
After working as a professional artist for over twenty years, I’ve seen just how essential it is to balance creativity with some business sense if you want to build a sustainable career. It’s often downplayed by romanticised views of art, but the reality is that making a living from art-whether you’re freelancing or in a studio-requires some business savvy. That’s why I really appreciate your calm response, Kelsey. Teaching artists how to handle the business side of things is practical and empowering. Calling it "selling hope" feels unfair; by that logic, any course that teaches professional skills could be written off the same way. Some of the views from Morgue’s video reflect a very romantic, purist view of art that doesn’t quite match the day-to-day realities artists face. The truth is, plenty of “successful” artists I know rely on financial support from their spouses, which only shows how tough it is to make a full living off art alone. And then there’s this idea that if you’re not earning most of your income directly from art, you’re somehow less of an artist. That creates so much unnecessary pressure and unhealthy attitudes. Many talented artists hold other jobs while creating on the side-and they’re just as much artists as anyone else. Artistry isn’t about income; it’s about dedication and passion. I even made a video about this whole “when can you call yourself an artist” question, because restrictive beliefs like these often discourage people from going after their dreams. I’ve seen so many aspiring artists give up because of these arbitrary standards that only serve to gatekeep. The expectation to produce a certain amount of work to “qualify” as an artist is just as flawed. It reminds me of the relentless social media pressure to churn out content. Life happens; this year, for example, I’ve only completed three personal paintings due to my dad’s hospitalisation and my own mental health issues. On top of that, I had to take on more client work under NDA, so there’s a lot I can’t even share publicly. Does any of that make me less of an artist? Absolutely not. Ultimately, being an artist doesn’t disappear just because life demands your attention or the fact it's extremely difficult to make a living from your artwork alone. Rather than measure ourselves by arbitrary standards, we should embrace a more inclusive view of what it means to be an artist - we are, after all, in this strange world together and it feels like a terrible thing to tear each other apart for trying to get by and do our best.
Honestly, I feel bad for Morgue. They've been sold a lie like so many other artists if they think art is only the amount of paintings you're producing at the end of the week, posts on IG, or website updates. Smh. I'm glad you did what's right for you by sharing your side. This video could help other artists REALLY understand what artists do... as a fellow content creator, videos ABSOLUTELY count. Maybe Morgue learned that from editing their video about you 😆 Keep going, Kelsey ❤
I posted several comments on Kelseys original pole about whether to make this video, but seriously, this guy complains she's not an Artist because she only has 7 Instagram posts meanwhile Kelsey makes 10 videos about why Instagram sucks and its not a platform she wants to use. Like someone telling me I am not a 3D Artist because I don't have a Twitter account
This is coming from a small artist who's not making big money, but at least pays food and rent from his artwok either from Patreon and commisions. Since my work is NSFW and mainly portrayed on IG, my monetization from social media is practically nule. So myaltern income comes from selling at bazaars and local events to not be so narrowed in the money. I just watched this video, and while you don't notice it, you're kind giving a point of that claim. You're stating you make art, and that's uneniable. But you're also stating that the reason for it it's to make video content. You even started with the success stories from people who took your advice and/or course. And then compared patreons, which would only patronize you for supporting your art (because not anyone will open their wallet for free content) with partership and sponsorhip of videos, which is even disrespectful for artist supporters. And even here, you're making beautiful art, but is just for background for your discourse, practically rendering art to the side game playing in reddit stories videos, which is sad you do that for your own work. Listen, is not bad being a content creator. And if that content is about art, that's great, we need more of that. But you're selling the pitch of being full time artist as a focal point for your business. This is not about if you are or not an artist. You are one, and an excellent one. But when people come to your content, you're unaible to admit that is not art what makes your most weight of revenue, but content creation; or worse, you're thinking is the same thing, and try to convince yourself (and other artists) that is the reality. And is not. That's the whole point of Morgue's video. That artists come to this type of videos trying to make a breaktrhoug in art, and they found that is about being a content creator. And then, that content reator makes videos that lures other new artist trying to make a breakthrogh in art, and the cycle repeats itself. And with what you say in this video, you're giving him the reason. Now, I repeat it, it's not bad to be a content creator. Boy, if anything, if you play your cards right, you can make it big. Myself have been thinking on joining a video platform to see what if, but still in the proccess. And regarding your content, I think there's a huge need for art content in all video platforms that goes beyond "I made this", but actually talk deeply into it, so that's a kuddo from me. You're an artist, an a very darn good one, yet, and let's get this clear, not a full time artist. Not if the income doesn't come from your art. Not if you're art is just to have excuses for video engaging or just play as background from one (like in this one), and not if you take an hour to make a piece, and then take days to edit, color correct and voice over a essay over it, not to sell it or exhibit the piece, but for having people watching 15 minute video so your adsense moves. And trying to redifine that as you did at the end of this vid to suit your point is what caused all of these drama. Again, your content is really good, so is your art, and if it had helped people to get on their feet, thats's amazing. But what all this is about is baiting. I know "I teach you to be a content creator so you can monetize and have more free time to make art, and use you're art as part of the content youcreate to push it over" doesn't sound as good as "I teach you to be a full time artist", but is honest. And that's what this is all about.
I was subscribed to Morgue for a while, but this video they posted had me unsub from them. The sheer NEGATIVITY of it really made me upset for all the creators they attacked. I watched it all the way through with as much of an open mind I could give, but the only thing I took out from it is the underlying jealousy of not having met success as an artist. It really saddens me to see creators put others down when things don't go as well as they would like for them. I just hope they'll realise that someday. As an amateur videographer myself, I've been enjoying your vlogs more and more for their storytelling, and for the super pretty colourgrading, I'm looking forward to see your future videos!!
@@northerain as an art youtuber yeah, but they managed to gain (imo bad) traction based on drama on their last video. If they keep going they'll probably be able to become a drama youtuber, but not an art youtuber, that's for sure
What I took from Morgue's video honestly, if someone resorts to a full *minute* of making fun of someone's physical appearance, they've lost any argument they were trying to make in good faith. Beautifully put together response, that ended things on a positive note. I myself have a lot of struggle of being called an artist. To spend this much time composing, filming, editing, scripting my videos -- and for all that *not* to be considered art....That sucks. It's incredibly restrictive of the term "artist" and only damages the community. We should be empowering each other as artists, not putting each other down. There is clearly a lot of effort and creative choices put into RUclips videos.
The way artists need to raise money to live these days has changed, it's that simple. Some artists are able to make a living solely off their art. But that's not the case for everyone. Anyone who truly thinks that you can only be an artist if you only earn from your art is a problem. It's restrictive. It's why people who create or a hobby have such fear of calling themselves an artist. It makes my blood boil that people to this day are afraid to call themselves artists because they don't make money from it. Until artists can get paid a reasonable amount to make their art, or are given the time and the space to do so without having to grind or earn money elsewhere, then there will ALWAYS be a need (and justification) to earn an income in other means. Teaching, for example. Is there an issue with artists teaching to earn an income? Because that's not directly from selling art. Like you said, making videos, sharing knowledge, and inspiring others is all important and valuable. And it is art. There is a lot of frustration and jealousy in the art world. Everyone wishes to be able to earn a healthy living from their creativity. It's valid, and it should be an attainable through solely making art. But unfortunately, it's not always possible anymore. Can you create something from nothing? Can you tell a story? Can you paint a feeling, and have others feel the same? Can you inspire? Can you teach or have people grow from what you put in the world? Then you are an artist. Easy.
(edited for spelling) Me, too. I want to change my vote. Yes. You should post a response (and now you have). What I was'nt factoring in was how gracious, generous and perceptive you are. My bad. Now I'm in this new camp: if Kelsey wonders if she should made a video about anything -- yes! We'll all learn a lot.
Honestly, after seeing their video, then their response to it's virality. My tentative thoughts on why they made that video were solidified, forgive me if it feels too much like the big sister line of "you are very young, give it time", I am 31 and an irl big sister (I can't help myself😅) with the all compasion I have in my heart, it sounds like they are a young person struggling with their art, how the world responds to it, how hard it actually is to make art and have it be your full time career. It looks too me like they tried to find some answers to these grievances in your videos, and when they didn't find what they were looking for, it caused this reaction. Especially after their response to not wanting to make art videos after the "drama vid" went viral. It really made me feel like they have essentially confirmed their own negative bias that "nobody cares about my art." Your response is absolutely valid. After all the accusations were serious, I commend you for such an empathetic and level-headed response. I would argue that although they directed most of their criticism toward you, deep down, it wasn't about you. I saw a young artist frustrated with the worlds lack of consideration, frustrated that one must essentially make less art to sell art. Making art your full-time career is a privilege few of us artists get to achieve. It's not romantic. It's also not a meritocracy. You can be the most talented, most hard-working artist out there, and still not make a living out of it. We were sold an illusion, and it's killing us, especially the ones starting out. I hope they take some time to heal, I also hope anyone who feels similarly knows that you're not alone. Your art is important, and you'll find the right path that works just for you, if you've tried and it's still not working, that just means it's not the end, you still can try again tomorrow💖
Kelsey, thank you for this video. I originally voted against a responding video because I didn't want you to waste your time in negative drama. You've made a wonderful hi road video. Kudos! I'm 75 years old, and I commented in another video that during my twenties back in the 1970's, I lived in Boston. Young people like us who didn't know anything about art marketing were teachers, taxi drivers, bank tellers, store clerks, et certera who called themselves artists. Hoping for someone to guide us/help us into making our art careers a reality. I wish someone like you would have been available to guide me way back then! Please keep doing you! I, for one, think that the image you present is perfect. I'm not going to Morgan's channel to hate him, but I would advise him to change to another channel if he doesn't like the one his watching! Congratulations on a job excellently done! Not only this video, but all the other videos you've made for us. Blessings.
What a lovely response! I really appreciated your empathy and pointing out that the other video was the first of that creator's to pop off. I love your videos and they have helped me so much! There are so many facets to being an artist that most people don't see and you really show the behind the scenes and the slow process of creating. I tend to think of myself as a creative instead of an artist mostly because of the narrow connotation of artist so many people have like you mentioned
As an artist with a small business I admire your work and appreciate your videos. Being an artist is way more than just your craft. Your creation of content is an expression of yourself, it is art itself. I hope all of this just helps you move further with more confidence because what you do has changed and helped so many people. If there is people that don't relate to you or your content is not your problem, criticism sometimes can be a form of admiration, so keep doing you. From your art, to your coaching, to your videos, it is all a form of creation, and that is what makes you such a successful artist.
the way they say that you "stage" your paintings to be "perfectly aesthetic" is ridiculous because 1. how else are you supposed to film the process for traditional painting and 2. the way you hold your brush is a classic oil painting technique meant to keep your hand away from the highly smudgeable oil paint, keep your brushstrokes loose, and keep the movement out of the wrist and in the elbow
Your points about how narrowly we define what 'acceptable' ways to earn money as an artist are reminds me of how when I tell people my job is artist, that I also tell them it's not a glamorous job. I spend a ton of my time schlepping things to markets and shows, and then selling my work in person, each small sale by each small sale. I would love to make big, expensive pieces that a gallery sold for me, or put on a 'formal' art show, but I found that the best way for me to support myself starting out was to start with things that I could easily sell to many people. Now I'm at a place where I can start investing time into larger, more expensive pieces while I continue to make inexpensive work that sells easily. But I know my life as an artist is a far cry from what many people image an artist's life to be. I had to start from where I was, with barely any money, disabled with chronic illness, and slowly figure out what life as an artist was gonna be for me. And I continue to figure it out and change as my circumstances change. This year has been my best so far in that I've been able to take classes in sculpture mediums new to me, and I can see a much clearer path to the long term goal I've had of participating in calls for public art, because I'm developing the skills I was missing in order to be able to achieve that goal
What amuses me about what little art history I know is that, the modern fine arts culture was built in direct defiance of the gatekeeping snooty snoots of the old world, only to become the same thing. These are the same people who will mourn the sad fate of artists like Van Gogh and then turn around and shut people out for not looking the way they think an artist should look or saying the things they think an artist should say. Doesn't make enough money to call yourself an artist? Most of these we laud as the greatest artists of their time weren't financially successful, yet they shaped the very world we live in and how we still define art to this day.
Great video. Well thought out and poignant. I love watching you paint, and yes, videography is art! I’m so sorry you are going through this. I didn’t see Mogue’s video but heard about it from someone who defended you, as did I. You’ve been very helpful to me and so many others. Keep doing what you’re doing. You are an artist! ❤
This just in; most artists don't spend most of their time making art. It's a shit ton of admin work and these days, self advertising, even if you're purely an artist who is selling to galleries the old fashion way. If someone is working in retail to make their ends meet but they want to be an animator and pick up the occasional animation job, they're still an animator.
This absolutely. I went to vocational school for tailoring, and in economics class the teacher explained that you'll spend maybe one third of your time on crafting clothing, if you're lucky. Way more time goes into admin, marketing, client contact, etc etc etc. Same goes for art businesses.
@@solarydays nope, being a professional full-time artist involves more than drawing all the time, fourty hours a week. Even if you're for example selling to galleries or working as a full time illustrator, a lot of time still goes into marketing yourself, finding contracts, client contact, etc.
@@solarydays So Animators that are forced to take a 9 to 5 and only get the occasional animation work are just hobbyists? There's creators of entire tv shows who are working for crumbs at 9 to 5 retail jobs but sure they're just a hobbyist that entire show they created? Just a hobby man
@@solarydays Note that I'm saying this as a guy who works 8 to 4 on drawing, and you know who has the benefit of drawing 9 to 5? It's the rich people who can just live off of daddy's money to do "full time art". Is that the only true artist in our capitalistic society? The rich trust fund babies? I'm only able to draw 8 to 4 daily because my parents are gracious enough to allow me to live at their house and not pay rent, so I'm really the only real artist? A guy drawing object show fan art in his parent's basement is the only true artist? Because I happen to draw 8 hours a day? But the animator that created Bill and Mandy isn't a REAL artist he's just a Hobbyist because he's barely scrapping by? There's a high profile animator out there who's made multiple shows working full time for Amazon, as a driver, is he not a real artist? Just a hobbyist? Because he's forced to play this game of capitalism and he can't get full time animator work at this current moment? You're saying this as though you have some surface level view of what a Real artist is, as though you're someone who has no experience in the industry.
@@TaniDraws I'm one of the rare weird people who spends a good 8 hours a day working on art. This is 100% because my parents allow me to live in their house rent free and pay for my food as long as I continue to work towards my goals. But I hesitate to call myself a "full time artist" because so much of my time is put towards drawing object show fan art and not much of what I do brings back money. I'm not super focused on advertising myself (especially since it's such a niche circle) and I do have a shop but it gets maybe only 3 sales a week on a good week. But I don't consider myself a full time artist, even though I draw 8 hours a day, it doesn't translate into much.
I think to call what you (or other artists) do a “pyramid scheme“ is click bait-y and disingenuous. Anyone who actually understands pyramid schemes (aka MLMs etc) knows the comparison is not true. I understand the frustration of an artist who sees other people making money and getting recognition when they are not, but lashing out and attacking those artists is never the answer. I did not and will not watch their video (purposefully), but I have watched all of yours and will continue to do so. Their video sounds like a misguided attempt to vent a particular frustration, which never ends well.
@@JaimeLeighArt Exactly! Words have meaning and a “pyramid scheme” has a VERY specific definition of what it is and how it functions. I’m tired of people using hyperbolic words and assigning their own “definition” just to fit into their narrative. Even saying it’s a scam is a fine line. Idk why people can’t leave others alone and just do their own thing and not attack others.
Personally I don’t think the best way to present who we are is to tear someone else down. That being said, we all make mistakes. Especially when we’re young. Unfortunately those mistakes can live forever online these days. I appreciate the gentle manner that you approached this subject. It genuinely shows your true character❤
I watch your videos because you are supportive of artists. If I was 30 years younger I would be interested in your business advice. I paint for me. You have always been supportive of my vision as an artist. And I have never felt like I was pressured to do anything but learn and share.
Major props for handling this so elegantly. Really admire your work, Kelsey! And for what it's worth, when I searched for morgues video, the second video that comes is your response. A good move from the yt algo.
Morg has been called out before for criticizing the art industry... Without actually having any knowledge of the art industry. I know everyone is being very charitable to them but I think Morg is being a bit bad faith towards other artists.
@@ysvyri it's been a while but Morgue called out some art pros and they responded by saying that Morgue basically was young and inexperienced not really taking it personally. Morgue also has this air of bitterness about them and has been called out for that too.
@@booleah6357 why is he calling out professional artists who actually make money from the art field? where's the sense in that? it seems like he is just attacking any artist he envies
Hi Kelsey, I am so glad you addressed this and in such a beautiful and gracious way. I don’t know that I personally would’ve had the emotional bandwidth to do so had I been faced with a similar situation. You have set an incredible example of how to respond to not just criticism, but what was honestly a slanderous and dishonest accusation. So please be sure to give yourself a lot of credit for being your authentic self and to rising above and talking about this in a thoughtful way. You even extended encouragement to the individual who was probably coming from a place of discouragement and heartbreak that they haven’t had the success that these big (what I call) “art influencers” have. I completely understand the frustration of putting hours of effort and putting myself out there on RUclips for years only to see very slow growth. But I’ve also learned to let that expectation of faster growth go. I know the true reason I do this is to meet other likeminded folks and kindred creative spirits. I also have had success and really tough times as a full time artist. I’m currently in a weird space of trying to pivot my art business to offering things like live drawing sessions on my Patreon and not just selling my brand to customers and wholesale to stores because the economy really changed in that market. Perhaps one day I’ll get monetized, but that doesn’t usually pay too many bills unless you get big brand deals. I think I’m a ways away from that kind of thing just yet! Your free and honest advice has always been so refreshing and you earn money from offering more advice and help, I struggle to see what’s wrong with that? I’m not sure what the end goal was with the whole mean spirited video (that I refused to watch btw) but I’m just so over people hating on other people. A rising tide lifts all boats and it’s nice to see and meet others in a warm and welcoming art community that is here to enjoy each other’s company and celebrate their successes, commiserate and empathize when times are rough, and just provide the space for all of that rather than tear one another down in a competitive race to the top (whatever that is, right?) Anyway, well done. I think you handled this all with dignity and grace. Bravo, babe❤
i’m impressed, how you handled this topic with so much grace! i wouldn’t be able to set personal attacks from them aside, and not comment on it, let alone show so much compassion towards them as a fellow artist. i wish you all the best, you’re a beautiful human being truly ~
I went to find his channel, as I do not follow him. I found his video to be very negative, naive, and not constructive for any of the channels he “critiqued”. RUclips is a big world. If you see a RUclipsr you don’t like you keep moving to the next. IMO the world does not need more of Morgue’s negative vibe. I am so sorry you are needing to deal with this! People will see what channels lift artists up and follow them.
It’s sad that some people feel they need to bash others to get views on RUclips. The art community should be about lifting others up. Thanks for all that that you do for the artist community. You ARE an artist.
jealous small artists coming together to bash a big one basically I don't understand how so many commenters on his video were blinded into believing Kelsey is a scammer or venting about their art not being successful, even though a quick glance through their channels would've told you they did not yet possess the skill level needed to attract a large audience
My main problem with Morgue's video is the whole mocking tone to it. You can have discussion and valid critic without going after someone's mannerisms, voice, looks or whatever. Morgue's video wasn't a live-stream or an impromptu pick up phone and record video, it was a recorded and edited video and yet... at no point throughout the whole process of recording, editing, checking the video, and publishing did they think "hm, maybe I need to rephrase the way I'm saying these things". If that's their way of communication, I have zero to no interest of even checking what else they do, and for all I know they might be a fine artist and content creator... it's just a very unnecessarily malicious way to communicate a "valid" concern. And I say "valid" because, from the way Kelsey phrases her concerns and expresses the whole situation, Morgue didn't even do that much research into what she does.
I had a similar thought when I started to follow you, when I heard full time artist back then I assumed it would be someone painting all day and living exclusively from selling their art. I don't want to follow your business plan to the letter because it doesnt fit what i want/need, but that's the beauty of the wonderful thing call thinking for yourself, I realized that there are different path for an art career and that it was actually very smart to have different type of income. I watch all your videos and see how I can apply it or adapt it to my own plan, and I joined your discord and have seen a very clear improvement in my art from all the support that is there, and that is possible because of your initiative. You made me see new possibilities, you've been so transparent with your struggles and your wins, and never I felt like you "sold a lie" or whatever she's accusing you. As a mather of fact, you made me take better steps to improve my art and start selling it and helped me find my own path. I watched part of her video hoping she would address that there are so many path for an artist and encourage us to use our brain and see if the content is relevant for us personally. Instead, it felt like jealousy, especially when she started to mock your maneurism. Like, seriously, that was low and cheap and absolute non-sense. I hope she learns to think for herself and grow. Her video felt more click bait and sour from not having the art career that she wanted. Keep being you and continuing your art career and RUclips channel as you do, your content is relevant, helpful, and appreciated. Those who find it offending should maybe challenge their thoughts or watch something else. Thank you for everything!!!
Yeaah I watched their video and while I totally agreed with the exhaustion of being advertised to. (Which I feel like was a big part of their argument" I guess whenever I saw you selling a service my brain is like "Artists do be having to hustle out here" Like it's not like I felt scammed or anything? And I feel like artists have just been chasing what GETS recommended, that RUclips promotes these sorts of big thumbnail and promise thing to make any sort of inpact. That's a youtube problem not a singular artists problem.
I watched the video to which you’re responding, and I honestly thought about reaching out to you. Your video-making IS a form of your artistic expression, as are the templates you provide as digital products, your educational products…then add to that your painting practice. I think what I have learned from watching you and other successful artists in this age is that diversity of income streams and marketing that isn’t just to sell a product but rather provides value for “free” can work to build a rich business model. Morgue’s video was well produced but rather than provide value, it seemingly piggy-backed on the popularity of other creators’ work. Sad but true.
Kelsey, keep following your intuition! I admire your ability to research topics surrounding marketing and business and then teach what you learn to all of us in attainable and understandable ways. As you said, it is important for artists to learn these things if they indeed want to sell anything. As you said, most artists have trouble finding the time to make art, let alone to learn about all of these things. You are not only finding the time, but you have the skillset, and you give it away for free here on RUclips! This business skillset of yours is just as valuable as your extensive painting skillset.
When I started to miss you on this platform few weeks ago, I knew this video is coming. Even tho, I voted "No, don´t do it" knowing full well, people believe what they want to believe. I think your response is so correct. I just feel sad you had to go through all of this. Eager to be back to your usual content. Lots of love Kelsey!
Morgue doesn't know what a pyramid scheme is. And if you're buying business advice from a 12 year old (everyone younger than me is 12. I'm very old), then the 12 year old must have something going on for them. You go girl.
Thank you editor Kelsey for going in and showing Morgue's art. They are an amazing artist! I hope they eventually feel able to make art videos again at some point.
Thank you for your video, Kelsey! It’s hard not to notice that there’s a growing trend among young artists to throw down some fierce-and often hypocritical-opinions on what it means to make it as an artist, especially when it comes to those who’ve found success. Here are a few of the “crimes” that seem to be on trial: Making money from your art? Outrageous! It turns out that, to some, art is only “real” when it’s completely unsullied by that grubby thing called money. And yet, if you’re not making enough money? Well, how dare you still call yourself an artist, you charlatan! Apparently, you need to be rolling in it to qualify. Then there’s the constant debate around who gets to call themselves an artist in the first place. Some folks think the gate has been left a bit too open-letting all sorts of people in, from hobbyists to part-timers. As if pouring creativity into the world shouldn’t be enough; they must also pledge allegiance to the “real” artist rules (whatever those are). On the flip side, there’s the call for more inclusivity, especially from people who feel they don’t fit a traditional artist mould. Try doing something a bit unconventional, and you’re immediately accused of breaking the sacred codes. So much for “art has no rules,” eh? And let’s not forget the frustration that arises if an artist dares to share their journey too openly. People will demand you share all paths to success-even the ones you haven’t personally trodden. “Why are you only speaking from your own experience?” is a common cry. But if you do share ideas you haven’t lived through, prepare yourself for complaints of “false hope” and “selling dreams!” It’s a real balancing act out here! Thanks for keeping the conversation going, Kelsey, and for taking on the endless rollercoaster of “You’re doing it all wrong!”
I’ve saw that video and have been seeing others piggybacking on it. I find it so ridiculous. Everyone can totally feel how they feel but to the point of labeling another artist of running a scam?? Crazy work. No one has to agree with your videos but just scroll. Everyone’s artist journey is different and everyone has different views on the art world. Your videos have personally been so helpful and beneficial for me so keep going strong.
❤❤ you are incredibly generous with yer time, and this is such a compassionate & thoughtful response… I sat in on a free workshop / talk that you were a part of this past year and i found so much value in what you had to say, I wrote a bunch of notes in my journal and since then I’ve felt more clear in my art + marketing direction. Thanks for being and giving and creating Kelsey! ❤
I’m always impressed by the way you think and how honest you are in everything you say. You’re a genuine source of inspiration, and I really enjoy your channel just as it is. You’ve already helped me in so many ways, and you’re part of the reason I’m on my own journey on Instagram and soon on RUclips. I want you to know that the most valuable aspect of your videos is how you perfectly balance sharing valuable information with just being yourself-honest, sometimes uncertain, and fully human. You’re not here to sell dreams; you’re here to show us what this path is really like and how you’ve made it possible for yourself.
I don’t know where to start. I’m an Artist..Mixed Media Artwork,Musician,Sewing,I take old clothes turn them in to Vintage Wear. Honestly I could go on and on of all the things I make and sell.. I loved your video today. Watching you paint made me want to learn more. I was bullied on Facebook so bad just from jealousy that I almost lost my shop. It literally turned women into high school jokes. I do want to thank the people who bullied you because I would have never known what a beautiful Artist you are. I’m definitely excited in learning more of your techniques. Please let me give you some advice when you put yourself out there on social media. You definitely are putting yourself out there and a lot of people like you and me talk about the haters and there are 1 million of them. It seems like they would rather have negative attention then positive attention. Just keep doing what you’re doing and do more of it because it’s really good. I’m more of a winter painter. That’s my favorite time of the year. I am glad that you called the one person now who said something about you because that’s what there’s scared of more than anything. They really do want you gone if you have to put a video out every day. DO IT. Talk about paintbrushes I want to hear about that. That’s some thing. I have a hard time dealing with talk about canvas. Talk about weight of the canvas about where to get the best deal on paints. I didn’t mean to write a book here. I’m sorry, but this really hit home because same thing happened to me once and I just loved what I do so much that I did more of it. I will tell you there are people that aren’t allowed to talk to me because of this one woman if she finds out She blocks the other person and they all wanna be in the popular group lol come on. We are gonna have to laugh about this. I hope that you and I can be friends and I hope that we can share our artwork together. And by the way, I have had a lot of good And the new social media platform called Threads I’m on there. You would have to get used to it, but I believe you would be able to send people over to your RUclips or where you sell your stuff from. I’m sorry that I wrote so much but this really did hit home and I know exactly what you’re going through and for that, I’m sorry, you don’t deserve it.
Your art is beautiful and I've seen the care you put in your website, I admire the level of detail that goes behind each painting or product and I do actually find you art finance advice pretty helpful, it's true I've seen some art/regular RUclipsrs talk about pyramid schemes in this playing field, but you don't give that vibes/you're quite professional/mature imo! Tbh I wouldn't say you're my favourite art RUclipsr (I need to watch more of your videos) , but I respect you so much and you sort of remind me of an irl friend that is very dear to my heart. Thank you.
I hope you're doing alright, Kelsey. Take care of yourself and keep up with the videos! I love listening to you talk while I draw and seeing how you're doing your art business is so helpful!
Its great that you are responding even if its so frustrating you have to. All because of silly baseless scam accusations made from someone who is upset that the job they want requires them to do things they don’t want to do. When i found the video it was still small and its only soured in my opinion the longer ive thought about it. So sorry you have to deal with this weird somantic arguement gone horribly wrong. Addition: “he’s not responsible for reaching out to me before making accusations” no no no he absolutely is! You can’t just make accusations and not do due diligence thats how you get sued. 😅 you are stronger then most because i know many industry professionals who would have cut off working with them without a second thought.
Kelsy, I've been watching your content regularly for a year now, all the content I've seen from you has been useful and practical, it's thanks to you and other content creators that I haven't thrown away my goals as an artist, I really appreciate the effort you put in
I watched Morgue's video first as I wanted to go in as unbiased as possible and hear them out...I'm sorry Kelsey, I got to the end and just had to comment (I contemplated not because I know YT love comments), but the video was mean spirited and bitter, and Morgue throwing his frustration at creators like yourself and painting a picture (hehe, art joke!) that you don't care about other creators succeeding and only your own pockets is just wrong and can be very damaging in a post-truth digital world. This being said, I hope they do heal from whatever has left them with such a bad taste and find happiness and success from their art because 1, their art is good! and 2, 41K+ followers on Insta is AMAZING and I hope they are proud of it. Please keep up the amazing work you do on here and never stop creating.
Hello, I've been pretty active in Kelsey's community for over a year, I was also in the 3 day workshop that Mel assisted in. My creative outlet isn't the "typical" artist. I'm creating a RPG game like Dungeons and Dragon's. I would think most people wouldn't consider me an artist but, anything creative makes you an artist. Kelsey's community and videos have have helped me so much with even just having the motivation to work on my projects. I've met so many wonderful people from her community. I am proud of her for making this response video because, this information needs to be shared. Any creative thing is art. If you paint, play music, take photos, draw, film, crochet, knit, fabric, write, ect. (The list goes on) You are creative. You are an artist.
This was a very demure and mindful response. In all seriousness, when I watched the original video and you were one of the creators taken as an example, I was midway surprised, but at the same time, since your approach is very sincere and mlm and scam in general tend to want to give that feeling as well, it's kind of understandable that a misunderstanding can take place. What I'm surprised at is that when it comes to supplies, you get a cutoff with links, and all other artists do it, and even outside the art community, it's an all-media practice. How much you take could be more interesting to debat if you were a scam overpricing things you get a percentage of, plus, when taken a closer look at your RUclips channel in particular, it's a business or a part of it, so it's obvious it's going to have a lot of commercial talk for prospective clients for you and discussion of the way to run a business; it's kind of a windowshop. It's very desigenous to complain that the person that sells art and adjance that they sell product, and since it's on RUclips, you are automatically put under the microscope. Further, you could argue that your client not being very known on the internet is a success on your part; people can achieve success in their careers without an internet presence, which shows how versed your expertise and business plans are. Plus, when you think of "artist", it's actually very wide of a definition and it's all the more important as one that your way of doing things is different from everyone else, that when personnality shows. i'll stop rambling thank you for this video it's stupid but having things said outloud sometimes really helps
It's just sad that there are still people who try to boost their popularity by trying to damage the image of other artists. There is no need to send hate, simply what you give comes back to you eventually. You Kelsey have always only given help and honesty, but in this world the price of being transparent is that from time to time you attract the attention of people with problems. But don't worry, just keep doing your work with love because the world needs more people like you, many of us need you.
I think your reply is really kind, and while i agree that they should have looked more deeply into you, i did see you post a course or something similar on IG a few months ago and had a jumpscare moment of wondering if you'd pivoted to selling useless courses (im absolutely not saying your stuff is) to sell the idea of success like lots of content creators and a lot of generalized "RUclips advice" channels do. Its really unfortunate that that was the idea that they stuck with and how they feel. I haven't posted enough to say that your advice has been incredibly helpful to me personally, yet, but i can tell its very quality and i really enjoy how you make your content
I can understand where he is coming from, there are many channels on YT that don't do anything else put advertise their online courses. I follow another channel that does that in every one of her videos, but she ALWAYS includes painting videos and content of her making art. That's why I don't mind her videos being another way to advertise her courses and other income driven products. I would do it that same way if I had a course and a platform to advertise my course for free. As for your channel, I remember finding it a few years back in my old account and I loved it, went on a watching spree and then found that I missed seeing more art in your videos, so I didn't watch your videos as often after that. And I think that is what is really missing in your content, just a bit more art or clips of you doing some of these paintings would really solidify your content and please both the artistic and business side of your viewership. I myself haven't found my area of what direction I want to take my videos but starting a new art channel with that goal in mind has been my first step. It's great to take advice from your viewership but to also remember that this is your channel, the audience you attract is because they like your content. Best of wishes on your new content and look forward to it.
Truee. Common thing I keep seeing is artists selling a skill of their way of earning money as an artist. And a lot of it involves heavy marketing such and such. It doesn’t have to be courses but a lot of times thats what the algorithm feeds so it ends up being a repetitive topic. Think we kinda lack some understanding of finding a way to sell our skill without needing to do all those self promo. Which is by being a freelance artist instead.
This kind of argument about “real artists” is just historically false. Was Da Vinci an artist while working as an engineer and manager of theatrics at court for the Duke of Milan? What about all the artists who taught art while painting, such as Carolus-Duran, Bouguerou, etc? Also, this idea is just etymologically unfounded. The word “art” is from the Latin “ars”, meaning just “craft/skill.” To be an artist means to work and love a craft! Video-editing, small business, coaching-all a craft to be honed! Your kindness and openness are an inspiration for all creatives! You do great work and have helped many people.
Kelsey, full support here! People get it so wrong about artists, content creators, small businesses, and what goes into making a living as a creative. That video of Morgue's made me so angry. 3 of the 4 folks are women and that got my blood boiling.
It’s good to hear you’ve been painting. We can dismiss Morgue’s reason for making that video as jealousy, but I think it’s more that they’re a scared frustrated kid. Yes, videos can be art, but when you say “artist” in your videos, it does seem to imply specifically being a painter. And I think it’s very scary for a young painter to observe your situation and think if they have to spend most of their time making videos instead of painting as well. In their second video they talked a lot about how they weren’t interested in making the content most art RUclipsrs make. They talked about how they didn’t want to do brand sponsorships and advertise. It doesn’t sound like he wants to have to do the RUclips social media thing. People are being sold a lot of things that are not real. Making a decent living if you excelled in art school being one of these things. It sucks what we all have to do to get by.
I think you're doing really well and I appreciate your insights. There is a lot of toxic opinions in the art community. At the end of the day, everyone needs to go on emotional journey of maturity and only once you mature do you realise that everything is about cooperation and building community, not the selfish pursuit of bettering yourself and tearing down others.
Kelsey your videos are so cathartic. When you do release that art process video I’ll be overjoyed to watch it! Your videos have given me a direction to put my creative energy and focus into while I’ve been in college. I wish you nothing but the best!
Here’s the thing: I think in a way you’re both right and you actually agree somewhat. I hear you saying that you wish you were making more art - this is a feeling every artist has! And I think Morgue has a very “purist” idea of what it is to be an artist - something that is idealized from the past. I think ALL of us were raised to believe “artist” means making work and $ in that way - and in fact, WANT that - but the fact is, it’s harder and harder to survive because it’s more and more expensive. I’ve been an artist for over 25 years, and have watched these changes - but I’ve also been an educator, to survive - and that doesn’t mean I make “lesser” art, nor does it mean I don’t make money from my art - but it is inherently inconsistent. What you’re doing, Kelsey, is finding the new path through education because academia (where I spent many years!) is BROKEN. And the reason I watch you - as a former college professor trying to find a better path - is to LEARN. And I have, so thank you! I see what Morgue wrote as less of an attack on what you do than as a lamentation for what the world has become - but artists have always been educators too, and it’s a noble path, but changing too. Those changes are good - they are making things more accessible. But we all gotta eat, and making money via your own platform sure beats being an adjunct teaching students who will be in debt for it.
I’ve been enjoying your channel here and your creative work for quite some time. It astounds me that you should have to face baseless accusations like this - especially considering the amount of value that you deliver to all of us for FREE here on RUclips. I commend you for keeping your composure and I thank you for all the wonderful work you share with us!
“You’re not a real artist if you’re not constantly producing art”. By that logic a majority of history’s greatest artists would be considered fakes since they would spend literal months and even years making a single painting.
Morgue's video led me to your channel. I watched several of your vids and found them inspiring and helpful so I subscribed! I hope this all leads to more views and subs for you.
do you have a vlog channel, will you put vlogs on here ??? ;0; i would love to see a 2hr long thing of you making art/seeing what goes into your creative stuff, the things you got to experience on your trips !! sending you love, thank you for your work
I didn’t even finish their video because I get the vibes that they still live in fantasy world where artist can exclusively live off their art. They hate the fact that you’re running this account like a business but hey that’s the society we live in and it’s not like it’s not useful advice either. You still make money from your art
I literally have to use a daily, weekly and monthly planner religiously to plan around painting (what I want) twice a week. Most of my job as a full time artist is making my 14K monthly quota (doing commercial art) so I can keep my studio, insurance, apartment, car payment, feed my fur babies and more. I think folks should learn that being an artist is a business and it can be terrifying and rewarding but you can never stop creating. Here's to Kelsey! Thank you for all you do! Don't let this bring you down. 💙💙💙
Hi Kelsey, I’ve been a viewer since you had less than 5k and your advice has always helped me not feel so hopeless regarding my options on how to market my art. Marketing can make or break your business/career and it’s something I struggle with. I am very cynical about following business advice that I find online but the advice I have followed from you has had a positive impact on myself as a professional artist. I even got my art featured at an art gallery for a year because of the advice in one of your YT videos. Thank you for all you do. 💜
Heard about this on Adam's page. I haven't watched your video yet, but before I do, I just wanted to say that you don't have to sell artwork to be an artist. Plenty of artists out there that don't have prolific sales. (Vincent Van Gogh sold ONE painting in his lifetime!!!!!) I have followed your channel for quite some time, and have been so impressed with your knowledge and I've been a working artist since 1988, and I have learned from you, and forwarded your channel to my veteran artist friends and also to young budding artists. I responded on Adam's video about Morgue that I majored in advertising and I have zero respect for the style of advertising that you have to bash someone else to get attention. That shows zero integrity in my opinion. I think someone should stand on their own merit. I know that I would feel compelled to make a rebuttal (as you did) but in truth, you owe no explanation. So he got notoriety by tearing you down? That's gonna catch up to him. Keep on doing what you do, Kelsey. There's a business, marketing, networking, financial, etc. to art. It's not all creating. I've had a full time international art business for 20 years, and it's not all just painting, and photography. I am in SO many roles at my business. I like that you address those aspects. You've helped this old dinosaur step into the modern age. Thank you for your videos, Kelsey and for always being so transparent. xoxoxo HUGE hugs.
Your response has been so well thought-out and concise, Kelsey! When I was first recommended their video, I was honestly shocked. I've been subscribed to you for years and have only ever come away from your channel feeling inspired and ready to take on the challenge of being an artist full-time. Seeing someone try to tarnish your reputation in the art community out of their own frustrations with their career was incredibly frustrating to witness. It wouldn't have been so bad if they just had a few minor critiques, but they made such strong accusations without any regard for you as a human being nor the context in which you operate your business (and also took the time to make fun of your mannerisms which...is just a low blow and adds absolutely nothing to their arguments). In an age where artists are already fighting for their lives just to keep their careers afloat, it's disheartening to see one of our own trying to villainize educators within the art space for clout and I hope they use this as an opportunity to rethink their approach in all of this. Thank you for sharing your response and for always providing us with incredible insight, advice, and wonderful educational content! Always wishing you the very best, Kelsey 🩵
You are so sweet, Kelsey. If I were in your shoes and someone did that to me, I’d take Morgue’s ass to court 😂😂 I’m a fairly new subscriber and what drew me is your vibe, your advice, and your art
While I think that Morgue’s video had resentment towards you and they placed on you intentions that I don’t think held up or they had no way of genuinely knowing (saying that you intentionally/maliciously did these things that they mentioned), I don’t it helps when people in the comments do the same thing and say that Morgue has these malicious intentions to attack others for views. There are some valid feelings that Morgue has towards the way artists exist on the internet and it’s sad to see people in these comments dismiss their feelings as “jealousy” or financially motivated. People are complicated, we are influenced by a variety of forces and it doesn’t make sense to only have it be condensed into one thing. Maybe Morgue’s whole point is that they’re frustrated that they cannot live their life just making art, which I consider a reasonable frustration, and a lot of other people resonated with this message. Ultimately, I think their whole problem is towards Capitalism and how we cannot simply live our lives dedicated to our passions. We all have to make money in order to survive, pay our bills, etc. and it is frustrating. I like how you ended the video with a path forward that I think will help others, which is to be more clear about what it really means to a full-time artist. This could help people set more realistic expectations for what it means to be an artist and how difficult it can be. There should also be acknowledgement of people that fail, not because they weren’t motivated/disciplined enough, but life’s forces were too much to deal with and their priorities changed in order to survive. If everyone could follow THE art marketing/business advice, we’d see millions of “successful” artists but that clearly isn’t the case as we see a handful of people succeed while everyone else still struggle. I could be wrong about all this and what I’m saying probably doesn’t make sense, but whatever.
It was right for you to respond if only to clarify the reasons you do things how you do them. I have watched many of your videos, as well as when you were on the 3PP podcast, and I have always found you to be as genuine as someone can be talking to a camera. And I would not change the way you do things. Like Adam Duff said in his video, the most important aspect you can bring to your channel is you. You do that well. Wipe your feet of this, walk thru the next door and don't look back.
I was literally going to go on that same tangent about how patronage works in the lives of artists. That patronage looks different in today's age vs. during the Renaissance for example.
I just followed you like a month ago or so, and I’m not one to just follow anyone! You have to have content I feel benefits others before I give my time. There were a couple of videos that had advice I haven’t heard any professional Artists say. I’m still in the process of figuring out my process and how to go about it. Just reading the comments here you clearly have content I believe can help those in similar positions and the information was exactly what I needed to hear to push through what I was dealing with when I first came across your channel! And that I am thankful for. Share your experience with being an artist, because somewhere out there someone is experiencing the same issues as you and I firmly believe artist helping artist is how we keep a support system within our art community, and by sharing what we know we are inviting more of that experience to come in. Keep doing you girl! And keep pushing your content and the right people will follow you! I have found information through a couple of your videos I feel professional Artist like the Milan’s should be sharing in their workshops. You provide value even if others don’t see it. Much love and blessings to you!
You are so sincere and honest, and you have helped so many people. I watch your videos on repeat to keep my spirits up when I'm feeling discouraged about my art. I'm also guilty of not posting on socials, ESPECIALLY on insta. I've been doing art, and I am working on a children's book, but keeping it to myself, trying new things in traditional media where I am normally a digital artist, and I would be a fraud in this guys eyes as well. I hope the outpouring of love in the comments I've seen so far lifts you up on the days you need it, because you have lifted up so many others. I'm sorry this jealous, and perhaps burnt out, disappointed, person lashing out at you apologises, but in the meantime, I want you to remember that you deserve all the love in the world 💖💖💖
i hate that you had to face this. i always admired and looked up to how well you run your bussiness. ever since going full time myself I saw all the work that is not actively working on illustrations etc. Its hard to believe for those who aren't experiencing it first hand but gosh, its a lot! keep on being you, you are a true inspiration!
Beautifully done, Kelsey, the cinematography and care you put into this truly show how your filming skills have blossomed over these years I follow you. The dedication alongside the passion you bring to your work is inspiring, even if it takes you weeks or months to share! I appreciate your thoughtful approach toward the other creator, keeping doors open and supporting respect with professionalism. You managed this with a graceful honor, BRAVO! Keep up with the amazing work, Kelsey, I'm excited to see what you create next! ✨
for me this is really reminiscent of how one of my other fav youtubers, Wendigoon, dealt with the slander and accusations he got from InPraiseOfShadows..just with pure dignity and calmness from a genuienly good place within heart (although that situation was much much more intense and heated) this is what i aspire to be and it gets me emotional cause it is really hard and it requires a long way to go and mentally grow up
Kelsey, you're doing a wonderful job. People will tear down others when they're not achieving what someone else is. They lash out, make accusations, spit baseless claims like cheating, etc. I've taken your advice several times to grow my own channel. Like they say in the business world: "If you don't upset people, then you're not doing it right." You're doing it right!
I appreciate this video, I don’t think many people realise how much goes on in the background as life as an artist, and how it’s all shifted now with the advent of the internet, and you either go along with it and thrive or get bitter and don’t. And I am sure ALL of us would love to paint all day and have plenty of money, but it’s just not possible so we do what we can and have multiple streams of income
I’ve never done a normal job in my life. Been animating and illustrating for over twenty years but because it was always contract work and not my own I felt like I didn’t want to call myself an artist. It triggered anxiety in me to call myself an artist because there was so much pressure by others to determine what art is. Like why do some people feel they can determine what is art? IMO it comes from not being happy with where they are i their own journey. I think your art is your art. Your channel is your art too whether your painting or not. Because it’s your voice that makes it art not the medium. You do you sis 🤙🏾😁
That foo is toxic. He is looking to get views with this and it's pathetic. I've been following you for a while and you are authentic and transparent with your struggles, your successes, and your finances. Your community sees that. We got you mija. Y pa los haters, lo que hablen que se les multiplique!
Business and art go hand in hand if you want to use art as a source of income. There really is no way around it in most cases, but that does not take away from the fact that you are an artist. If you make art, you are an artist. Simple as that really.
Hi, i'm sorry that happened to you. I've been on YT since 2012, and I have had almost 0 progress just to let you know my channel is over 400k subscribers now all because of your and Katliente advice it took me 3 years of weekly uploading to get here, it wasn't easy but it was worth it. Even though I'm from the other side of the world (I'm from SA ) your advice helped me A LOT I want just to draw and do the fun part, but I realized it would take more than that to succeed if I wanted to make this my career please don't stop doing what you doing. ❤
I have been a silent viewer of your channel for so so long … and when their video came out , I was so disappointed…. Your videos were one of the huge reason , I started RUclips . I started filming vlogs , filming my creative process focusing on editing . And trust me I have never been happier . I was happy with my art alone but the amount of financial freedom I got through RUclips and other things like sponsorship also helped a lot to continue my art without constantly worrying about the financial aspect . I love artists like you because you all literally inspire us and show us that the world is changing and now you CAN make money as an artist even though people are not directly buying it . Lots of love to you and just know that art small business owners like us are always looking forward to your videos … whether it be your art or your advice videos … its your channel and you have full freedom to post what you feel like .. 🩷 All the very best ! Looking forward to your wholesome videos !
EDIT: Please do not be rude/disrespectful to Morgue anywhere online. Like I said in the video, people can disagree while being civil and respectful. The vibe of our art community is a communal project that we are all creating as we engage with each other, if you don't want it to be toxic, then don't engage in toxic behavior. Morgue also uses they/them pronouns according to their IG bio. End edit.
This is a really important topic, and I know a lot of you will want to discuss it. If you're interested in having a more thoughtful and long-form conversation than the RUclips comment section can provide, some folks in my Discord server have been discussing this video since it came out. You can join that here: discord.gg/the-studio-lounge
Drama-free videos incoming later this week. If you're interested in seeing more of the art shown throughout this video, you can do so here: ruclips.net/p/PLoo0DnvsjPWK0vig3MmsnggqUwgkF_zMA
Never call yourself a looser. You are brave and very creative artist 👩🏻🎨 after this rebuttal, flush that girls wrong and false accusations. You are doing so good with this video.
Don’t make changes to please anyone. Please keep going with your knowledge and interest. You are valuable and I appreciate you doing both.
To say someone isn't an artist because they don't make tons of money is absurd. Clearly, this Morg person has never heard of the "starving artist."
Morg should be ashamed. You don't have to mame art every day to be an artist, and you don't have to be making tons of expensive art to be an artist.
Your a very inspiring woman and artist and keep enjoying what you do... and think about yourself. Just watching your videos makes me keep on drawing and painting... Hopefully one day I can start making a good career out of my art skills like you do it... Keep it up... Don't let no one let you down👍🏽✌🏽🖤
You should not doubt yourself just because of people with no skill who have no other way to gain attention other than spreading negativity. they have no qualifications to judge anyone.
RIP. RUclips sure knows how to pick things with its algorithm... =-=;; that exact accusation video showed up in recommended. So unfortunately... not linking the video, while respectful, probably won't do much to prevent the slightly curious from clicking on it. Obviously not stopping the more curious ones from searching. But you've done what you could, so that should be applauded
I think it's great you are standing up for yourself Kelsey! It's really frustrating how people can just judge artists / people off of the limited scope of what they show on RUclips. I don't think anyone ever knows the full big picture of someone's story / journey, and even though making videos on RUclips can be considered a form of art, it's still not showing all the behind the scenes, work, and experimentation that goes on before drawing the conclusions you make in a video. I also think that you're not always obligated to share every art / all the art you do online, just like how you shouldn't with your life. I think we're in a world where artists already struggling with all that's happening, we need more reasons and ways to grow businesses independently of big studios and companies. Even if there are people that might not resonate with the type of business strategies you share, they still benefit your community and the artists who DO resonate, and as long as it helps them get their footing off the ground, that's what matters.
I was really excited to see another artist or creative sharing business focused videos, because there's not enough of it online. I don't think you always need to be the "best" at something to just share that the option of making money as an artist this way exists, and that you can at least share your experience of what did or didn't work for you. Whether if it did or didn't work for you, it's still an option that's now presented to another artist out there who might be in a different situation where it could work for them, and I think the internet is a place where we all just kind of report our personal discoveries as artists. You're not here forcing anyone to buy your products or forcing them into a certain path, just presenting options, which is better than no options. Anyway I think you did a great video, and you shouldn't stop what you're doing.
Glad you're addressing these ridiculous claims. Their video was all over the place. First, they clearly don’t understand what a pyramid scheme is. The way they’ve generalized RUclips education is not only misinformed but potentially harmful. I agree there are issues in the space-I've even discussed some on my own channel-but lumping everyone into the same category is misleading. Not everything in the education space is a pyramid scheme; it’s more a reflection of the current landscape. I wouldn’t be where I am today without some fantastic educational channels that taught me the ropes.
Secondly, since when did we start gatekeeping art? Art is fundamentally about freedom and self-expression, not rigid definitions. Who cares what’s “officially” labeled as art? Some of history’s most influential artists rejected labels entirely. RUclips is an art form, and you’re a perfect example of that. Personally, I tune into your channel for both the business insights and the creative perspective, and I’m sure a lot of viewers do the same. There’s no shame in having a range of strengths.
Kelsey, your channel is a goldmine for so many of us, providing insights and inspiration that genuinely resonate. Keep doing exactly what you’re doing-you don’t need to change a thing. There’s a reason your content has built such a dedicated following, and it's because you’re authentic, relatable, and consistently bring value. Love your work, and it’s clear that so many others do too!
💯💯🔥👏🏻👏🏻
@@lokisgreenlife6862 Came here to say exactly what you said
I totally agree to your comment! And to add: I was also taken aback at how building multiple streams of income - for example by making engaging content to get AdSense or from affiliate links - is so frowned upon by them?! Like, if I have some insights or use and like a product and would like to recommend it anyways, instead of gatekeeping it, it would be amazing to make some bucks by doing so. (Would also be kinda lit outside of the business context haha 😂)
Being an artist and making a *living* from that in this time and age means you also have to absolutely start having a business mindset. And diversifying your streams of income instead of relying on just one thing is definitely something I learned before starting my own art business this year. And I also learned it in free, independent, government-substituted seminars run by a nonprofit.
Of course, there are some people/businesses/creators out there that don‘t have the best intentions and mainly want to scam people to make some money in any way. But it‘s too undifferentiated to simply put everyone in the same pot. I mean, we all agree that there’s a massive difference between „artists who are also content creators and maybe offer coaching sessions“ and, on the other hand, „coaches who make money off of teaching others how to become a coach and make money by teaching others how to coach“. Right? Because the former is a small one-person-business with a smart mindset to diversify income and use one‘s strenghts. The latter is a manipulative pyramid business scheme. And then there‘s a whole spectrum in between that might not be easily identified, or people who started as the former and with time evolved into having tendencies of the latter or using some questionable sales tactics and so on. But accusing every artist or creator that they‘re a pyramid scheme just because they have a business mindset and diversify their income is, to put it shortly, a very undifferentiated and undercomplex statement that is not mirroring reality.
What sucks is the general concern in their video is valid- there has been a HUGE uptick in how many influencers want to sell you a course that you don’t need, littered with false promises. But at the end of the day, the thousands of hours you’ve poured into giving this info away in the most accessible ways possible clearly show there’s a difference here. Take care, Kelsey, you handled this with such grace.
He aimed to hit a real topic.... He left his envy get the best of him and target the wrong people.
He could have spoken about the scammers(non-creatives) that make a living out of selling print-on-demand products and on their youtube speaking about marketing.
He could have spoken about the black hole greed of social media platforms to have more and more and more content creators. He could have spoken about the intricacies of being an artist nowadays and what does it entails.
He could have spoken about SO MANY THINGS.
And he choosed wrong. But like, so wrong.
@bxwieknife I hope you can understand that YT doesn't pay creators very well so people have to monetize their content in whatever way works best for them. I myself shared free content for something that should've been monetized and I learned a hard lesson. I can't give all my content away or I will go out of business. We can do some free content but it's not a scam when we ask for compensation for other content. It's really hard to create content and share our hard earned knowledge. I suggest you only purchase what makes sense for you but please let's avoid judgement on creators that have a course. 💙💙💙
In my opinion in one of the biggest problems that I had with the video what's the fact that they were making fun of your mannerisms....just for no reason. There are some stuff that I will agree in terms of the creators opinion on being an artist on social media as a whole. But I would argue that you would completely lost me when you try to make fun of someone else's way of communicating the message through body language. I think it's truly disrespectful and kind of makes you look childish. Respectfully of course.
I hope you're doing well Kelsey and I hope you come strong back from this much love ❤
Yes!! That's what shocked me the most I think. I get that you cannot like everyone, but if you want to be taken seriously don't become a fool lmao
Yeah personally that was a huge factor that made me take the video less seriously. Like if you have to resort to attacking someone's character or mannerisms then you don't really have that strong of an argument. And I left a comment on his video that making educational content is not a pyramid scheme and following a video format in order to get views is not but it's being a smart business owner. And saying that someone isn't an artist because you feel they don't share enough of their art for your liking, is just a wild statement.
They also keep labeling sharing her income as "bragging" so don't click on the video? You can already see the amount of money on the thumbnail if you're gonna label it as bragging that just sounds insecure
@funnytime1111 Very tasteless and unfair from Morgan's side I think.
(It really infuriates me deep inside)
I think they're just jealous, nothing more 🎀
I have not been very engaging, but I have been watching your channel for just under 2 years now.
First let me say, I voted for you to not respond. I didn't want to see this end up on drama channels. That said, your response is so graceful, and filled with compassion. I'm legit blown away and gained a lot more respect for you because of this.
I haven't been in a spot where I can afford your products. But you offer so much knowledge, and really put out there, inspiring energy for other artists. You're one of the main reasons I started taking sharing my art, seriously.
My last point, our world isn't conducive for artists. Some people have to work multiple jobs to support themselves and are only able to make a few artworks a year. They're still artists. That gatekeeping energy of artists aren't artists if they don't live, breath, sleep creating 24/7 is a bigger issue in the community.
Kelsey, I'm glad you made this video.
I absolutely agree that people are still artists if they are making a living of something outside of the artworld
I'm really glad you made a response video and thank you for the little shoutout. I will always be grateful for the advice you gave me and for all the videos you've made and all the love and care you've put into your community. I am still so devastated that this happened to you.
Thank you for the lovely comment on that community post! It really made my day when I read it, and it's amazing to see that one little email of advice made such an impact
@@KelseyRodriguez It really did and I think of you often and send little thoughts of gratitude your way. This video really gets me thinking about my approach to things in my industry too. You are a treasure and the lives you've touched and the people you've helped... I just can't thank you enough for all that you do. This video was fantastic and so beautifully put together. Here you go continuing to inspire me to better myself, my artwork, and my business. 💖
I make 0 right now and I'm an artist. I like your channel, and never once did it seem inauthentic. There are no rules to being an artist other than you make art.
@@JordanKarlson i took it as making money from your art vs making money as a content creator. You CAN be an artist and make 0 bucks, thats a fact
I did watch Morgans video some weeks ago , I think your response is well balanced. There are many different types of artists and many different ways of making money as an artist. You are just sharing advice that is based on your personal experiences which has proved to be helpful for many.
This is wild because you have been one of the most upfront about finances relative to other artists on RUclips. You’ve always been honest.
Exactly!!!
Absolutely-in the original video, they acted like that was a negative, but it’s not at all. Being upfront about these things is a breath of fresh air compared to what we see in most of the space.
@carissaruth8399 tbf, you could call yourself an artist even if you make no money out of your art. You are thinking of professional painter/illustrator, but even that she'd still be one too because she still makes money off of it.
I remember seeing that video and feeling like it didn't ring true, it seemed like they had personal frustrations with their own situation and they were taking it out on artists making a living in a way that wasn't "the correct way" to them.
They seemed young too, and idealistic. But making money as an artist can be done in multiple ways, to limit yourself to one or two ways is ... un-creative.
I've been watching your videos since 2022 and never got the feeling you were scamming anyone. I think talking mainly about the financial aspect of art still qualifies you as an art channel last time I checked.
If you choose not to make every video about pieces you're doing then it's not really anyone's business, it's your choice.
Yes I had the same impression that they were speaking from a place of frustration.
I felt like Kelsey was really out of place in that video as she doesn't fit the bill of what was being discussed, but I could name drop a few 'artist' channels advising others how to sell art, how to get into galleries, selling expensive courses etc meanwhile they're selling nothing and achieving nothing from the art itself. Nothing gets views and makes money like teaching people how to get views and make money. It's kind of a scourge in the art vid and art business vid community tbh. The Etsy advice vids are particularly damning. People claiming they made a million bucks from Etsy and then just... quit to teach others how to do it lol. Meanwhile zero proof, of course.
@RachelJacksonArt There are genuinely hundreds of Grifters on RUclips in every space and community, Kelsey is not one of them.
@@horriblypink I literally said she wasn't one of them.
@@RachelJacksonArt I know just a comment for people in general sorry lol
I think… it’s complicated. I can see where he’s coming from, I even agree with him in multiple points. I think we as a generation are reaching some fatigue regarding marketing strategies, which is why I do believe videos like his are important. I also however understand it’s a matter of… respect and perspective, maybe? We tend to forget we’re human beings who need to survive within the system. I am also not sure we’ll ever agree on a definition for art… but it’s certainly an interesting discussion. I hope the best for both of you as artists and content creators!
Right, the point is they could have had a discussion about sales or marketing. But instead they chose defamation, accusations of severe federal crimes, and also straight up mocked her looks, mannerisms, way of speaking, and even insulted her art and studio. All of that was unnecessary.
oh absolutely!
I think it’s easy to forget anyone can see what we post online, even the people we’re speaking of. I can’t imagine how watching someone talk about me like that would feel like.
I can’t help but feel for Morgan too, though. Since I think they touched some very important aspects of the sales world that I believe need to be talked more about; unfortunately the conversation went in (possibly and understandably) the worst direction possible.
i watched their whole video and felt very discouraged afterward. all this time, my sincerity and hard work could have been seen as a "pyramid scheme," and that i am not considered an artist. they are certainly entitled to their opinion, but i want you to know, Kelsey, that i've been watching your videos for a long time, and have been personally inspired not only by your advice but also by your art. You are truly an artist.
i discovered you recently and love your videos! you're an amazing artist to me and many others
After working as a professional artist for over twenty years, I’ve seen just how essential it is to balance creativity with some business sense if you want to build a sustainable career. It’s often downplayed by romanticised views of art, but the reality is that making a living from art-whether you’re freelancing or in a studio-requires some business savvy.
That’s why I really appreciate your calm response, Kelsey. Teaching artists how to handle the business side of things is practical and empowering. Calling it "selling hope" feels unfair; by that logic, any course that teaches professional skills could be written off the same way.
Some of the views from Morgue’s video reflect a very romantic, purist view of art that doesn’t quite match the day-to-day realities artists face. The truth is, plenty of “successful” artists I know rely on financial support from their spouses, which only shows how tough it is to make a full living off art alone.
And then there’s this idea that if you’re not earning most of your income directly from art, you’re somehow less of an artist. That creates so much unnecessary pressure and unhealthy attitudes. Many talented artists hold other jobs while creating on the side-and they’re just as much artists as anyone else. Artistry isn’t about income; it’s about dedication and passion.
I even made a video about this whole “when can you call yourself an artist” question, because restrictive beliefs like these often discourage people from going after their dreams. I’ve seen so many aspiring artists give up because of these arbitrary standards that only serve to gatekeep.
The expectation to produce a certain amount of work to “qualify” as an artist is just as flawed. It reminds me of the relentless social media pressure to churn out content. Life happens; this year, for example, I’ve only completed three personal paintings due to my dad’s hospitalisation and my own mental health issues. On top of that, I had to take on more client work under NDA, so there’s a lot I can’t even share publicly. Does any of that make me less of an artist? Absolutely not.
Ultimately, being an artist doesn’t disappear just because life demands your attention or the fact it's extremely difficult to make a living from your artwork alone. Rather than measure ourselves by arbitrary standards, we should embrace a more inclusive view of what it means to be an artist - we are, after all, in this strange world together and it feels like a terrible thing to tear each other apart for trying to get by and do our best.
Well put!
Honestly, I feel bad for Morgue. They've been sold a lie like so many other artists if they think art is only the amount of paintings you're producing at the end of the week, posts on IG, or website updates. Smh. I'm glad you did what's right for you by sharing your side. This video could help other artists REALLY understand what artists do... as a fellow content creator, videos ABSOLUTELY count. Maybe Morgue learned that from editing their video about you 😆 Keep going, Kelsey ❤
I posted several comments on Kelseys original pole about whether to make this video, but seriously, this guy complains she's not an Artist because she only has 7 Instagram posts meanwhile Kelsey makes 10 videos about why Instagram sucks and its not a platform she wants to use. Like someone telling me I am not a 3D Artist because I don't have a Twitter account
@@horriblypinkMaybe they don't get many subscribers as they hope for, so they're venting on someone else 😞🎀
This is coming from a small artist who's not making big money, but at least pays food and rent from his artwok either from Patreon and commisions. Since my work is NSFW and mainly portrayed on IG, my monetization from social media is practically nule. So myaltern income comes from selling at bazaars and local events to not be so narrowed in the money.
I just watched this video, and while you don't notice it, you're kind giving a point of that claim. You're stating you make art, and that's uneniable. But you're also stating that the reason for it it's to make video content. You even started with the success stories from people who took your advice and/or course. And then compared patreons, which would only patronize you for supporting your art (because not anyone will open their wallet for free content) with partership and sponsorhip of videos, which is even disrespectful for artist supporters. And even here, you're making beautiful art, but is just for background for your discourse, practically rendering art to the side game playing in reddit stories videos, which is sad you do that for your own work.
Listen, is not bad being a content creator. And if that content is about art, that's great, we need more of that. But you're selling the pitch of being full time artist as a focal point for your business. This is not about if you are or not an artist. You are one, and an excellent one. But when people come to your content, you're unaible to admit that is not art what makes your most weight of revenue, but content creation; or worse, you're thinking is the same thing, and try to convince yourself (and other artists) that is the reality. And is not.
That's the whole point of Morgue's video. That artists come to this type of videos trying to make a breaktrhoug in art, and they found that is about being a content creator. And then, that content reator makes videos that lures other new artist trying to make a breakthrogh in art, and the cycle repeats itself. And with what you say in this video, you're giving him the reason.
Now, I repeat it, it's not bad to be a content creator. Boy, if anything, if you play your cards right, you can make it big. Myself have been thinking on joining a video platform to see what if, but still in the proccess. And regarding your content, I think there's a huge need for art content in all video platforms that goes beyond "I made this", but actually talk deeply into it, so that's a kuddo from me.
You're an artist, an a very darn good one, yet, and let's get this clear, not a full time artist. Not if the income doesn't come from your art. Not if you're art is just to have excuses for video engaging or just play as background from one (like in this one), and not if you take an hour to make a piece, and then take days to edit, color correct and voice over a essay over it, not to sell it or exhibit the piece, but for having people watching 15 minute video so your adsense moves. And trying to redifine that as you did at the end of this vid to suit your point is what caused all of these drama.
Again, your content is really good, so is your art, and if it had helped people to get on their feet, thats's amazing. But what all this is about is baiting. I know "I teach you to be a content creator so you can monetize and have more free time to make art, and use you're art as part of the content youcreate to push it over" doesn't sound as good as "I teach you to be a full time artist", but is honest. And that's what this is all about.
I was subscribed to Morgue for a while, but this video they posted had me unsub from them. The sheer NEGATIVITY of it really made me upset for all the creators they attacked. I watched it all the way through with as much of an open mind I could give, but the only thing I took out from it is the underlying jealousy of not having met success as an artist. It really saddens me to see creators put others down when things don't go as well as they would like for them. I just hope they'll realise that someday.
As an amateur videographer myself, I've been enjoying your vlogs more and more for their storytelling, and for the super pretty colourgrading, I'm looking forward to see your future videos!!
success as a youtuber you mean
@@northerain as an art youtuber yeah, but they managed to gain (imo bad) traction based on drama on their last video. If they keep going they'll probably be able to become a drama youtuber, but not an art youtuber, that's for sure
What I took from Morgue's video honestly, if someone resorts to a full *minute* of making fun of someone's physical appearance, they've lost any argument they were trying to make in good faith.
Beautifully put together response, that ended things on a positive note. I myself have a lot of struggle of being called an artist. To spend this much time composing, filming, editing, scripting my videos -- and for all that *not* to be considered art....That sucks.
It's incredibly restrictive of the term "artist" and only damages the community. We should be empowering each other as artists, not putting each other down. There is clearly a lot of effort and creative choices put into RUclips videos.
The way artists need to raise money to live these days has changed, it's that simple. Some artists are able to make a living solely off their art. But that's not the case for everyone. Anyone who truly thinks that you can only be an artist if you only earn from your art is a problem. It's restrictive. It's why people who create or a hobby have such fear of calling themselves an artist. It makes my blood boil that people to this day are afraid to call themselves artists because they don't make money from it.
Until artists can get paid a reasonable amount to make their art, or are given the time and the space to do so without having to grind or earn money elsewhere, then there will ALWAYS be a need (and justification) to earn an income in other means. Teaching, for example. Is there an issue with artists teaching to earn an income? Because that's not directly from selling art.
Like you said, making videos, sharing knowledge, and inspiring others is all important and valuable. And it is art. There is a lot of frustration and jealousy in the art world. Everyone wishes to be able to earn a healthy living from their creativity. It's valid, and it should be an attainable through solely making art. But unfortunately, it's not always possible anymore.
Can you create something from nothing? Can you tell a story? Can you paint a feeling, and have others feel the same? Can you inspire? Can you teach or have people grow from what you put in the world? Then you are an artist. Easy.
Good for you for setting an example of dealing with bad-faith actors, with Dignity and the benefit of the doubt, I would not be capable of that.
Same, i would've just called them a dumbass. Proud of Kelsey for not doing that though. XD
(edited for spelling) Me, too. I want to change my vote. Yes. You should post a response (and now you have). What I was'nt factoring in was how gracious, generous and perceptive you are. My bad. Now I'm in this new camp: if Kelsey wonders if she should made a video about anything -- yes! We'll all learn a lot.
Honestly, after seeing their video, then their response to it's virality. My tentative thoughts on why they made that video were solidified, forgive me if it feels too much like the big sister line of "you are very young, give it time", I am 31 and an irl big sister (I can't help myself😅) with the all compasion I have in my heart, it sounds like they are a young person struggling with their art, how the world responds to it, how hard it actually is to make art and have it be your full time career. It looks too me like they tried to find some answers to these grievances in your videos, and when they didn't find what they were looking for, it caused this reaction.
Especially after their response to not wanting to make art videos after the "drama vid" went viral. It really made me feel like they have essentially confirmed their own negative bias that "nobody cares about my art."
Your response is absolutely valid. After all the accusations were serious, I commend you for such an empathetic and level-headed response.
I would argue that although they directed most of their criticism toward you, deep down, it wasn't about you. I saw a young artist frustrated with the worlds lack of consideration, frustrated that one must essentially make less art to sell art.
Making art your full-time career is a privilege few of us artists get to achieve. It's not romantic. It's also not a meritocracy. You can be the most talented, most hard-working artist out there, and still not make a living out of it. We were sold an illusion, and it's killing us, especially the ones starting out.
I hope they take some time to heal, I also hope anyone who feels similarly knows that you're not alone. Your art is important, and you'll find the right path that works just for you, if you've tried and it's still not working, that just means it's not the end, you still can try again tomorrow💖
I absolutely love and wholeheartedly agree with everything you said here.
Fellow big sister here (and I'm 40), and I felt the same way. I watched it thinking, "Oh, sweetie..."
THANK YOU for expessing how I was feeling during their video! this 100% feels like at "you need more time to understand" situation
Kelsey, thank you for this video. I originally voted against a responding video because I didn't want you to waste your time in negative drama. You've made a wonderful hi road video. Kudos!
I'm 75 years old, and I commented in another video that during my twenties back in the 1970's, I lived in Boston. Young people like us who didn't know anything about art marketing were teachers, taxi drivers, bank tellers, store clerks, et certera who called themselves artists. Hoping for someone to guide us/help us into making our art careers a reality.
I wish someone like you would have been available to guide me way back then!
Please keep doing you! I, for one, think that the image you present is perfect.
I'm not going to Morgan's channel to hate him, but I would advise him to change to another channel if he doesn't like the one his watching!
Congratulations on a job excellently done! Not only this video, but all the other videos you've made for us.
Blessings.
I'm so glad you're defending yourself against baseless, defamatory vitriol. The preference for drama without media literacy has become an epidemic.
What a lovely response! I really appreciated your empathy and pointing out that the other video was the first of that creator's to pop off. I love your videos and they have helped me so much! There are so many facets to being an artist that most people don't see and you really show the behind the scenes and the slow process of creating. I tend to think of myself as a creative instead of an artist mostly because of the narrow connotation of artist so many people have like you mentioned
As an artist with a small business I admire your work and appreciate your videos. Being an artist is way more than just your craft. Your creation of content is an expression of yourself, it is art itself. I hope all of this just helps you move further with more confidence because what you do has changed and helped so many people. If there is people that don't relate to you or your content is not your problem, criticism sometimes can be a form of admiration, so keep doing you. From your art, to your coaching, to your videos, it is all a form of creation, and that is what makes you such a successful artist.
the way they say that you "stage" your paintings to be "perfectly aesthetic" is ridiculous because 1. how else are you supposed to film the process for traditional painting and 2. the way you hold your brush is a classic oil painting technique meant to keep your hand away from the highly smudgeable oil paint, keep your brushstrokes loose, and keep the movement out of the wrist and in the elbow
Your points about how narrowly we define what 'acceptable' ways to earn money as an artist are reminds me of how when I tell people my job is artist, that I also tell them it's not a glamorous job. I spend a ton of my time schlepping things to markets and shows, and then selling my work in person, each small sale by each small sale. I would love to make big, expensive pieces that a gallery sold for me, or put on a 'formal' art show, but I found that the best way for me to support myself starting out was to start with things that I could easily sell to many people. Now I'm at a place where I can start investing time into larger, more expensive pieces while I continue to make inexpensive work that sells easily. But I know my life as an artist is a far cry from what many people image an artist's life to be. I had to start from where I was, with barely any money, disabled with chronic illness, and slowly figure out what life as an artist was gonna be for me. And I continue to figure it out and change as my circumstances change. This year has been my best so far in that I've been able to take classes in sculpture mediums new to me, and I can see a much clearer path to the long term goal I've had of participating in calls for public art, because I'm developing the skills I was missing in order to be able to achieve that goal
What amuses me about what little art history I know is that, the modern fine arts culture was built in direct defiance of the gatekeeping snooty snoots of the old world, only to become the same thing. These are the same people who will mourn the sad fate of artists like Van Gogh and then turn around and shut people out for not looking the way they think an artist should look or saying the things they think an artist should say. Doesn't make enough money to call yourself an artist? Most of these we laud as the greatest artists of their time weren't financially successful, yet they shaped the very world we live in and how we still define art to this day.
Great video. Well thought out and poignant. I love watching you paint, and yes, videography is art! I’m so sorry you are going through this. I didn’t see Mogue’s video but heard about it from someone who defended you, as did I. You’ve been very helpful to me and so many others. Keep doing what you’re doing. You are an artist! ❤
This just in; most artists don't spend most of their time making art. It's a shit ton of admin work and these days, self advertising, even if you're purely an artist who is selling to galleries the old fashion way. If someone is working in retail to make their ends meet but they want to be an animator and pick up the occasional animation job, they're still an animator.
This absolutely. I went to vocational school for tailoring, and in economics class the teacher explained that you'll spend maybe one third of your time on crafting clothing, if you're lucky. Way more time goes into admin, marketing, client contact, etc etc etc. Same goes for art businesses.
@@solarydays nope, being a professional full-time artist involves more than drawing all the time, fourty hours a week. Even if you're for example selling to galleries or working as a full time illustrator, a lot of time still goes into marketing yourself, finding contracts, client contact, etc.
@@solarydays So Animators that are forced to take a 9 to 5 and only get the occasional animation work are just hobbyists? There's creators of entire tv shows who are working for crumbs at 9 to 5 retail jobs but sure they're just a hobbyist that entire show they created? Just a hobby man
@@solarydays Note that I'm saying this as a guy who works 8 to 4 on drawing, and you know who has the benefit of drawing 9 to 5? It's the rich people who can just live off of daddy's money to do "full time art". Is that the only true artist in our capitalistic society? The rich trust fund babies? I'm only able to draw 8 to 4 daily because my parents are gracious enough to allow me to live at their house and not pay rent, so I'm really the only real artist? A guy drawing object show fan art in his parent's basement is the only true artist? Because I happen to draw 8 hours a day? But the animator that created Bill and Mandy isn't a REAL artist he's just a Hobbyist because he's barely scrapping by? There's a high profile animator out there who's made multiple shows working full time for Amazon, as a driver, is he not a real artist? Just a hobbyist? Because he's forced to play this game of capitalism and he can't get full time animator work at this current moment? You're saying this as though you have some surface level view of what a Real artist is, as though you're someone who has no experience in the industry.
@@TaniDraws I'm one of the rare weird people who spends a good 8 hours a day working on art. This is 100% because my parents allow me to live in their house rent free and pay for my food as long as I continue to work towards my goals. But I hesitate to call myself a "full time artist" because so much of my time is put towards drawing object show fan art and not much of what I do brings back money. I'm not super focused on advertising myself (especially since it's such a niche circle) and I do have a shop but it gets maybe only 3 sales a week on a good week. But I don't consider myself a full time artist, even though I draw 8 hours a day, it doesn't translate into much.
I think to call what you (or other artists) do a “pyramid scheme“ is click bait-y and disingenuous. Anyone who actually understands pyramid schemes (aka MLMs etc) knows the comparison is not true. I understand the frustration of an artist who sees other people making money and getting recognition when they are not, but lashing out and attacking those artists is never the answer. I did not and will not watch their video (purposefully), but I have watched all of yours and will continue to do so. Their video sounds like a misguided attempt to vent a particular frustration, which never ends well.
@@JaimeLeighArt Exactly! Words have meaning and a “pyramid scheme” has a VERY specific definition of what it is and how it functions. I’m tired of people using hyperbolic words and assigning their own “definition” just to fit into their narrative.
Even saying it’s a scam is a fine line.
Idk why people can’t leave others alone and just do their own thing and not attack others.
Personally I don’t think the best way to present who we are is to tear someone else down. That being said, we all make mistakes. Especially when we’re young. Unfortunately those mistakes can live forever online these days. I appreciate the gentle manner that you approached this subject. It genuinely shows your true character❤
I watch your videos because you are supportive of artists. If I was 30 years younger I would be interested in your business advice. I paint for me. You have always been supportive of my vision as an artist. And I have never felt like I was pressured to do anything but learn and share.
Major props for handling this so elegantly. Really admire your work, Kelsey!
And for what it's worth, when I searched for morgues video, the second video that comes is your response. A good move from the yt algo.
Morg has been called out before for criticizing the art industry... Without actually having any knowledge of the art industry. I know everyone is being very charitable to them but I think Morg is being a bit bad faith towards other artists.
What happened before?
@@ysvyri it's been a while but Morgue called out some art pros and they responded by saying that Morgue basically was young and inexperienced not really taking it personally. Morgue also has this air of bitterness about them and has been called out for that too.
@@booleah6357 why is he calling out professional artists who actually make money from the art field? where's the sense in that? it seems like he is just attacking any artist he envies
@@assassinsbleedacwalkthroug9947 Yeah it was a long while ago to be fair but it certainly does feel that way with Morgue.
@@booleah6357 Interesting, thank you
Hi Kelsey, I am so glad you addressed this and in such a beautiful and gracious way. I don’t know that I personally would’ve had the emotional bandwidth to do so had I been faced with a similar situation. You have set an incredible example of how to respond to not just criticism, but what was honestly a slanderous and dishonest accusation. So please be sure to give yourself a lot of credit for being your authentic self and to rising above and talking about this in a thoughtful way. You even extended encouragement to the individual who was probably coming from a place of discouragement and heartbreak that they haven’t had the success that these big (what I call) “art influencers” have. I completely understand the frustration of putting hours of effort and putting myself out there on RUclips for years only to see very slow growth. But I’ve also learned to let that expectation of faster growth go. I know the true reason I do this is to meet other likeminded folks and kindred creative spirits. I also have had success and really tough times as a full time artist. I’m currently in a weird space of trying to pivot my art business to offering things like live drawing sessions on my Patreon and not just selling my brand to customers and wholesale to stores because the economy really changed in that market. Perhaps one day I’ll get monetized, but that doesn’t usually pay too many bills unless you get big brand deals. I think I’m a ways away from that kind of thing just yet! Your free and honest advice has always been so refreshing and you earn money from offering more advice and help, I struggle to see what’s wrong with that? I’m not sure what the end goal was with the whole mean spirited video (that I refused to watch btw) but I’m just so over people hating on other people. A rising tide lifts all boats and it’s nice to see and meet others in a warm and welcoming art community that is here to enjoy each other’s company and celebrate their successes, commiserate and empathize when times are rough, and just provide the space for all of that rather than tear one another down in a competitive race to the top (whatever that is, right?) Anyway, well done. I think you handled this all with dignity and grace. Bravo, babe❤
i’m impressed, how you handled this topic with so much grace! i wouldn’t be able to set personal attacks from them aside, and not comment on it, let alone show so much compassion towards them as a fellow artist. i wish you all the best, you’re a beautiful human being truly ~
I went to find his channel, as I do not follow him. I found his video to be very negative, naive, and not constructive for any of the channels he “critiqued”. RUclips is a big world. If you see a RUclipsr you don’t like you keep moving to the next. IMO the world does not need more of Morgue’s negative vibe.
I am so sorry you are needing to deal with this! People will see what channels lift artists up and follow them.
It’s sad that some people feel they need to bash others to get views on RUclips. The art community should be about lifting others up. Thanks for all that that you do for the artist community. You ARE an artist.
I completely agree
jealous small artists coming together to bash a big one basically
I don't understand how so many commenters on his video were blinded into believing Kelsey is a scammer or venting about their art not being successful, even though a quick glance through their channels would've told you they did not yet possess the skill level needed to attract a large audience
You totally outclassed them just by being so calm and collected. The original video was so catty I couldn’t stomach it.
My main problem with Morgue's video is the whole mocking tone to it. You can have discussion and valid critic without going after someone's mannerisms, voice, looks or whatever. Morgue's video wasn't a live-stream or an impromptu pick up phone and record video, it was a recorded and edited video and yet... at no point throughout the whole process of recording, editing, checking the video, and publishing did they think "hm, maybe I need to rephrase the way I'm saying these things".
If that's their way of communication, I have zero to no interest of even checking what else they do, and for all I know they might be a fine artist and content creator... it's just a very unnecessarily malicious way to communicate a "valid" concern. And I say "valid" because, from the way Kelsey phrases her concerns and expresses the whole situation, Morgue didn't even do that much research into what she does.
I had a similar thought when I started to follow you, when I heard full time artist back then I assumed it would be someone painting all day and living exclusively from selling their art. I don't want to follow your business plan to the letter because it doesnt fit what i want/need, but that's the beauty of the wonderful thing call thinking for yourself, I realized that there are different path for an art career and that it was actually very smart to have different type of income. I watch all your videos and see how I can apply it or adapt it to my own plan, and I joined your discord and have seen a very clear improvement in my art from all the support that is there, and that is possible because of your initiative. You made me see new possibilities, you've been so transparent with your struggles and your wins, and never I felt like you "sold a lie" or whatever she's accusing you. As a mather of fact, you made me take better steps to improve my art and start selling it and helped me find my own path. I watched part of her video hoping she would address that there are so many path for an artist and encourage us to use our brain and see if the content is relevant for us personally. Instead, it felt like jealousy, especially when she started to mock your maneurism. Like, seriously, that was low and cheap and absolute non-sense. I hope she learns to think for herself and grow. Her video felt more click bait and sour from not having the art career that she wanted. Keep being you and continuing your art career and RUclips channel as you do, your content is relevant, helpful, and appreciated. Those who find it offending should maybe challenge their thoughts or watch something else.
Thank you for everything!!!
Yeaah I watched their video and while I totally agreed with the exhaustion of being advertised to. (Which I feel like was a big part of their argument" I guess whenever I saw you selling a service my brain is like "Artists do be having to hustle out here" Like it's not like I felt scammed or anything? And I feel like artists have just been chasing what GETS recommended, that RUclips promotes these sorts of big thumbnail and promise thing to make any sort of inpact. That's a youtube problem not a singular artists problem.
I watched the video to which you’re responding, and I honestly thought about reaching out to you. Your video-making IS a form of your artistic expression, as are the templates you provide as digital products, your educational products…then add to that your painting practice. I think what I have learned from watching you and other successful artists in this age is that diversity of income streams and marketing that isn’t just to sell a product but rather provides value for “free” can work to build a rich business model. Morgue’s video was well produced but rather than provide value, it seemingly piggy-backed on the popularity of other creators’ work. Sad but true.
Kelsey, keep following your intuition! I admire your ability to research topics surrounding marketing and business and then teach what you learn to all of us in attainable and understandable ways. As you said, it is important for artists to learn these things if they indeed want to sell anything. As you said, most artists have trouble finding the time to make art, let alone to learn about all of these things. You are not only finding the time, but you have the skillset, and you give it away for free here on RUclips! This business skillset of yours is just as valuable as your extensive painting skillset.
When I started to miss you on this platform few weeks ago, I knew this video is coming.
Even tho, I voted "No, don´t do it" knowing full well, people believe what they want to believe.
I think your response is so correct. I just feel sad you had to go through all of this.
Eager to be back to your usual content.
Lots of love Kelsey!
Morgue doesn't know what a pyramid scheme is. And if you're buying business advice from a 12 year old (everyone younger than me is 12. I'm very old), then the 12 year old must have something going on for them. You go girl.
Thank you editor Kelsey for going in and showing Morgue's art. They are an amazing artist! I hope they eventually feel able to make art videos again at some point.
The amount of hate people left there was so offputting. I think its healthy you’re addressing it.
Thank you for your video, Kelsey!
It’s hard not to notice that there’s a growing trend among young artists to throw down some fierce-and often hypocritical-opinions on what it means to make it as an artist, especially when it comes to those who’ve found success. Here are a few of the “crimes” that seem to be on trial:
Making money from your art? Outrageous! It turns out that, to some, art is only “real” when it’s completely unsullied by that grubby thing called money. And yet, if you’re not making enough money? Well, how dare you still call yourself an artist, you charlatan! Apparently, you need to be rolling in it to qualify.
Then there’s the constant debate around who gets to call themselves an artist in the first place. Some folks think the gate has been left a bit too open-letting all sorts of people in, from hobbyists to part-timers. As if pouring creativity into the world shouldn’t be enough; they must also pledge allegiance to the “real” artist rules (whatever those are).
On the flip side, there’s the call for more inclusivity, especially from people who feel they don’t fit a traditional artist mould. Try doing something a bit unconventional, and you’re immediately accused of breaking the sacred codes. So much for “art has no rules,” eh?
And let’s not forget the frustration that arises if an artist dares to share their journey too openly. People will demand you share all paths to success-even the ones you haven’t personally trodden. “Why are you only speaking from your own experience?” is a common cry. But if you do share ideas you haven’t lived through, prepare yourself for complaints of “false hope” and “selling dreams!”
It’s a real balancing act out here! Thanks for keeping the conversation going, Kelsey, and for taking on the endless rollercoaster of “You’re doing it all wrong!”
I’ve saw that video and have been seeing others piggybacking on it. I find it so ridiculous. Everyone can totally feel how they feel but to the point of labeling another artist of running a scam?? Crazy work. No one has to agree with your videos but just scroll. Everyone’s artist journey is different and everyone has different views on the art world. Your videos have personally been so helpful and beneficial for me so keep going strong.
❤❤ you are incredibly generous with yer time, and this is such a compassionate & thoughtful response… I sat in on a free workshop / talk that you were a part of this past year and i found so much value in what you had to say, I wrote a bunch of notes in my journal and since then I’ve felt more clear in my art + marketing direction. Thanks for being and giving and creating Kelsey! ❤
I’m always impressed by the way you think and how honest you are in everything you say. You’re a genuine source of inspiration, and I really enjoy your channel just as it is. You’ve already helped me in so many ways, and you’re part of the reason I’m on my own journey on Instagram and soon on RUclips. I want you to know that the most valuable aspect of your videos is how you perfectly balance sharing valuable information with just being yourself-honest, sometimes uncertain, and fully human. You’re not here to sell dreams; you’re here to show us what this path is really like and how you’ve made it possible for yourself.
You've been so helpful & inspiring to so many artists. Thoughtful video. Well done Kelsey.
Oh & lucky 'Morg'? Is it. They will get many views from this.
I don’t know where to start. I’m an Artist..Mixed Media Artwork,Musician,Sewing,I take old clothes turn them in to Vintage Wear. Honestly I could go on and on of all the things I make and sell.. I loved your video today. Watching you paint made me want to learn more. I was bullied on Facebook so bad just from jealousy that I almost lost my shop. It literally turned women into high school jokes. I do want to thank the people who bullied you because I would have never known what a beautiful Artist you are. I’m definitely excited in learning more of your techniques. Please let me give you some advice when you put yourself out there on social media. You definitely are putting yourself out there and a lot of people like you and me talk about the haters and there are 1 million of them. It seems like they would rather have negative attention then positive attention. Just keep doing what you’re doing and do more of it because it’s really good. I’m more of a winter painter. That’s my favorite time of the year. I am glad that you called the one person now who said something about you because that’s what there’s scared of more than anything. They really do want you gone if you have to put a video out every day. DO IT. Talk about paintbrushes I want to hear about that. That’s some thing. I have a hard time dealing with talk about canvas. Talk about weight of the canvas about where to get the best deal on paints. I didn’t mean to write a book here. I’m sorry, but this really hit home because same thing happened to me once and I just loved what I do so much that I did more of it. I will tell you there are people that aren’t allowed to talk to me because of this one woman if she finds out She blocks the other person and they all wanna be in the popular group lol come on. We are gonna have to laugh about this. I hope that you and I can be friends and I hope that we can share our artwork together. And by the way, I have had a lot of good And the new social media platform called Threads I’m on there. You would have to get used to it, but I believe you would be able to send people over to your RUclips or where you sell your stuff from. I’m sorry that I wrote so much but this really did hit home and I know exactly what you’re going through and for that, I’m sorry, you don’t deserve it.
Your art is beautiful and I've seen the care you put in your website, I admire the level of detail that goes behind each painting or product and I do actually find you art finance advice pretty helpful, it's true I've seen some art/regular RUclipsrs talk about pyramid schemes in this playing field, but you don't give that vibes/you're quite professional/mature imo! Tbh I wouldn't say you're my favourite art RUclipsr (I need to watch more of your videos) , but I respect you so much and you sort of remind me of an irl friend that is very dear to my heart. Thank you.
I hope you're doing alright, Kelsey. Take care of yourself and keep up with the videos! I love listening to you talk while I draw and seeing how you're doing your art business is so helpful!
Morgue's video: I'm not gonna gatekeep art, but I'm gonna condescendingly do just that
Its great that you are responding even if its so frustrating you have to. All because of silly baseless scam accusations made from someone who is upset that the job they want requires them to do things they don’t want to do.
When i found the video it was still small and its only soured in my opinion the longer ive thought about it. So sorry you have to deal with this weird somantic arguement gone horribly wrong.
Addition: “he’s not responsible for reaching out to me before making accusations” no no no he absolutely is! You can’t just make accusations and not do due diligence thats how you get sued. 😅 you are stronger then most because i know many industry professionals who would have cut off working with them without a second thought.
Kelsy, I've been watching your content regularly for a year now, all the content I've seen from you has been useful and practical, it's thanks to you and other content creators that I haven't thrown away my goals as an artist, I really appreciate the effort you put in
I watched Morgue's video first as I wanted to go in as unbiased as possible and hear them out...I'm sorry Kelsey, I got to the end and just had to comment (I contemplated not because I know YT love comments), but the video was mean spirited and bitter, and Morgue throwing his frustration at creators like yourself and painting a picture (hehe, art joke!) that you don't care about other creators succeeding and only your own pockets is just wrong and can be very damaging in a post-truth digital world.
This being said, I hope they do heal from whatever has left them with such a bad taste and find happiness and success from their art because 1, their art is good! and 2, 41K+ followers on Insta is AMAZING and I hope they are proud of it.
Please keep up the amazing work you do on here and never stop creating.
Hello, I've been pretty active in Kelsey's community for over a year, I was also in the 3 day workshop that Mel assisted in.
My creative outlet isn't the "typical" artist. I'm creating a RPG game like Dungeons and Dragon's. I would think most people wouldn't consider me an artist but, anything creative makes you an artist.
Kelsey's community and videos have have helped me so much with even just having the motivation to work on my projects. I've met so many wonderful people from her community.
I am proud of her for making this response video because, this information needs to be shared.
Any creative thing is art. If you paint, play music, take photos, draw, film, crochet, knit, fabric, write, ect. (The list goes on) You are creative. You are an artist.
This was a very demure and mindful response. In all seriousness, when I watched the original video and you were one of the creators taken as an example, I was midway surprised, but at the same time, since your approach is very sincere and mlm and scam in general tend to want to give that feeling as well, it's kind of understandable that a misunderstanding can take place. What I'm surprised at is that when it comes to supplies, you get a cutoff with links, and all other artists do it, and even outside the art community, it's an all-media practice. How much you take could be more interesting to debat if you were a scam overpricing things you get a percentage of, plus, when taken a closer look at your RUclips channel in particular, it's a business or a part of it, so it's obvious it's going to have a lot of commercial talk for prospective clients for you and discussion of the way to run a business; it's kind of a windowshop. It's very desigenous to complain that the person that sells art and adjance that they sell product, and since it's on RUclips, you are automatically put under the microscope.
Further, you could argue that your client not being very known on the internet is a success on your part; people can achieve success in their careers without an internet presence, which shows how versed your expertise and business plans are.
Plus, when you think of "artist", it's actually very wide of a definition and it's all the more important as one that your way of doing things is different from everyone else, that when personnality shows.
i'll stop rambling thank you for this video it's stupid but having things said outloud sometimes really helps
FIRST!? omg.
I'm going to listen to this now but just want to say I'm happy to hear your response on this.
It's just sad that there are still people who try to boost their popularity by trying to damage the image of other artists. There is no need to send hate, simply what you give comes back to you eventually. You Kelsey have always only given help and honesty, but in this world the price of being transparent is that from time to time you attract the attention of people with problems. But don't worry, just keep doing your work with love because the world needs more people like you, many of us need you.
I think your reply is really kind, and while i agree that they should have looked more deeply into you, i did see you post a course or something similar on IG a few months ago and had a jumpscare moment of wondering if you'd pivoted to selling useless courses (im absolutely not saying your stuff is) to sell the idea of success like lots of content creators and a lot of generalized "RUclips advice" channels do. Its really unfortunate that that was the idea that they stuck with and how they feel. I haven't posted enough to say that your advice has been incredibly helpful to me personally, yet, but i can tell its very quality and i really enjoy how you make your content
I can understand where he is coming from, there are many channels on YT that don't do anything else put advertise their online courses. I follow another channel that does that in every one of her videos, but she ALWAYS includes painting videos and content of her making art. That's why I don't mind her videos being another way to advertise her courses and other income driven products. I would do it that same way if I had a course and a platform to advertise my course for free. As for your channel, I remember finding it a few years back in my old account and I loved it, went on a watching spree and then found that I missed seeing more art in your videos, so I didn't watch your videos as often after that. And I think that is what is really missing in your content, just a bit more art or clips of you doing some of these paintings would really solidify your content and please both the artistic and business side of your viewership. I myself haven't found my area of what direction I want to take my videos but starting a new art channel with that goal in mind has been my first step. It's great to take advice from your viewership but to also remember that this is your channel, the audience you attract is because they like your content. Best of wishes on your new content and look forward to it.
Truee. Common thing I keep seeing is artists selling a skill of their way of earning money as an artist. And a lot of it involves heavy marketing such and such. It doesn’t have to be courses but a lot of times thats what the algorithm feeds so it ends up being a repetitive topic. Think we kinda lack some understanding of finding a way to sell our skill without needing to do all those self promo. Which is by being a freelance artist instead.
This kind of argument about “real artists” is just historically false. Was Da Vinci an artist while working as an engineer and manager of theatrics at court for the Duke of Milan? What about all the artists who taught art while painting, such as Carolus-Duran, Bouguerou, etc?
Also, this idea is just etymologically unfounded. The word “art” is from the Latin “ars”, meaning just “craft/skill.” To be an artist means to work and love a craft! Video-editing, small business, coaching-all a craft to be honed!
Your kindness and openness are an inspiration for all creatives! You do great work and have helped many people.
Kelsey, full support here! People get it so wrong about artists, content creators, small businesses, and what goes into making a living as a creative. That video of Morgue's made me so angry. 3 of the 4 folks are women and that got my blood boiling.
It’s good to hear you’ve been painting. We can dismiss Morgue’s reason for making that video as jealousy, but I think it’s more that they’re a scared frustrated kid. Yes, videos can be art, but when you say “artist” in your videos, it does seem to imply specifically being a painter. And I think it’s very scary for a young painter to observe your situation and think if they have to spend most of their time making videos instead of painting as well. In their second video they talked a lot about how they weren’t interested in making the content most art RUclipsrs make. They talked about how they didn’t want to do brand sponsorships and advertise. It doesn’t sound like he wants to have to do the RUclips social media thing. People are being sold a lot of things that are not real. Making a decent living if you excelled in art school being one of these things. It sucks what we all have to do to get by.
I think you're doing really well and I appreciate your insights. There is a lot of toxic opinions in the art community. At the end of the day, everyone needs to go on emotional journey of maturity and only once you mature do you realise that everything is about cooperation and building community, not the selfish pursuit of bettering yourself and tearing down others.
Kelsey your videos are so cathartic. When you do release that art process video I’ll be overjoyed to watch it! Your videos have given me a direction to put my creative energy and focus into while I’ve been in college. I wish you nothing but the best!
Here’s the thing: I think in a way you’re both right and you actually agree somewhat. I hear you saying that you wish you were making more art - this is a feeling every artist has! And I think Morgue has a very “purist” idea of what it is to be an artist - something that is idealized from the past. I think ALL of us were raised to believe “artist” means making work and $ in that way - and in fact, WANT that - but the fact is, it’s harder and harder to survive because it’s more and more expensive.
I’ve been an artist for over 25 years, and have watched these changes - but I’ve also been an educator, to survive - and that doesn’t mean I make “lesser” art, nor does it mean I don’t make money from my art - but it is inherently inconsistent. What you’re doing, Kelsey, is finding the new path through education because academia (where I spent many years!) is BROKEN. And the reason I watch you - as a former college professor trying to find a better path - is to LEARN. And I have, so thank you!
I see what Morgue wrote as less of an attack on what you do than as a lamentation for what the world has become - but artists have always been educators too, and it’s a noble path, but changing too. Those changes are good - they are making things more accessible. But we all gotta eat, and making money via your own platform sure beats being an adjunct teaching students who will be in debt for it.
I’ve been enjoying your channel here and your creative work for quite some time. It astounds me that you should have to face baseless accusations like this - especially considering the amount of value that you deliver to all of us for FREE here on RUclips. I commend you for keeping your composure and I thank you for all the wonderful work you share with us!
“You’re not a real artist if you’re not constantly producing art”. By that logic a majority of history’s greatest artists would be considered fakes since they would spend literal months and even years making a single painting.
Morgue's video led me to your channel. I watched several of your vids and found them inspiring and helpful so I subscribed! I hope this all leads to more views and subs for you.
do you have a vlog channel, will you put vlogs on here ??? ;0; i would love to see a 2hr long thing of you making art/seeing what goes into your creative stuff, the things you got to experience on your trips !! sending you love, thank you for your work
I didn’t even finish their video because I get the vibes that they still live in fantasy world where artist can exclusively live off their art. They hate the fact that you’re running this account like a business but hey that’s the society we live in and it’s not like it’s not useful advice either. You still make money from your art
I literally have to use a daily, weekly and monthly planner religiously to plan around painting (what I want) twice a week. Most of my job as a full time artist is making my 14K monthly quota (doing commercial art) so I can keep my studio, insurance, apartment, car payment, feed my fur babies and more. I think folks should learn that being an artist is a business and it can be terrifying and rewarding but you can never stop creating. Here's to Kelsey! Thank you for all you do! Don't let this bring you down. 💙💙💙
Hi Kelsey, I’ve been a viewer since you had less than 5k and your advice has always helped me not feel so hopeless regarding my options on how to market my art. Marketing can make or break your business/career and it’s something I struggle with. I am very cynical about following business advice that I find online but the advice I have followed from you has had a positive impact on myself as a professional artist. I even got my art featured at an art gallery for a year because of the advice in one of your YT videos. Thank you for all you do. 💜
Heard about this on Adam's page. I haven't watched your video yet, but before I do, I just wanted to say that you don't have to sell artwork to be an artist. Plenty of artists out there that don't have prolific sales. (Vincent Van Gogh sold ONE painting in his lifetime!!!!!) I have followed your channel for quite some time, and have been so impressed with your knowledge and I've been a working artist since 1988, and I have learned from you, and forwarded your channel to my veteran artist friends and also to young budding artists. I responded on Adam's video about Morgue that I majored in advertising and I have zero respect for the style of advertising that you have to bash someone else to get attention. That shows zero integrity in my opinion. I think someone should stand on their own merit. I know that I would feel compelled to make a rebuttal (as you did) but in truth, you owe no explanation. So he got notoriety by tearing you down? That's gonna catch up to him. Keep on doing what you do, Kelsey. There's a business, marketing, networking, financial, etc. to art. It's not all creating. I've had a full time international art business for 20 years, and it's not all just painting, and photography. I am in SO many roles at my business. I like that you address those aspects. You've helped this old dinosaur step into the modern age. Thank you for your videos, Kelsey and for always being so transparent. xoxoxo HUGE hugs.
today i learned monetizing your youtube videos is a pyramid scheme.
Your response has been so well thought-out and concise, Kelsey! When I was first recommended their video, I was honestly shocked. I've been subscribed to you for years and have only ever come away from your channel feeling inspired and ready to take on the challenge of being an artist full-time. Seeing someone try to tarnish your reputation in the art community out of their own frustrations with their career was incredibly frustrating to witness. It wouldn't have been so bad if they just had a few minor critiques, but they made such strong accusations without any regard for you as a human being nor the context in which you operate your business (and also took the time to make fun of your mannerisms which...is just a low blow and adds absolutely nothing to their arguments). In an age where artists are already fighting for their lives just to keep their careers afloat, it's disheartening to see one of our own trying to villainize educators within the art space for clout and I hope they use this as an opportunity to rethink their approach in all of this.
Thank you for sharing your response and for always providing us with incredible insight, advice, and wonderful educational content! Always wishing you the very best, Kelsey 🩵
You are so sweet, Kelsey. If I were in your shoes and someone did that to me, I’d take Morgue’s ass to court 😂😂
I’m a fairly new subscriber and what drew me is your vibe, your advice, and your art
While I think that Morgue’s video had resentment towards you and they placed on you intentions that I don’t think held up or they had no way of genuinely knowing (saying that you intentionally/maliciously did these things that they mentioned), I don’t it helps when people in the comments do the same thing and say that Morgue has these malicious intentions to attack others for views. There are some valid feelings that Morgue has towards the way artists exist on the internet and it’s sad to see people in these comments dismiss their feelings as “jealousy” or financially motivated. People are complicated, we are influenced by a variety of forces and it doesn’t make sense to only have it be condensed into one thing. Maybe Morgue’s whole point is that they’re frustrated that they cannot live their life just making art, which I consider a reasonable frustration, and a lot of other people resonated with this message. Ultimately, I think their whole problem is towards Capitalism and how we cannot simply live our lives dedicated to our passions. We all have to make money in order to survive, pay our bills, etc. and it is frustrating. I like how you ended the video with a path forward that I think will help others, which is to be more clear about what it really means to a full-time artist. This could help people set more realistic expectations for what it means to be an artist and how difficult it can be. There should also be acknowledgement of people that fail, not because they weren’t motivated/disciplined enough, but life’s forces were too much to deal with and their priorities changed in order to survive. If everyone could follow THE art marketing/business advice, we’d see millions of “successful” artists but that clearly isn’t the case as we see a handful of people succeed while everyone else still struggle. I could be wrong about all this and what I’m saying probably doesn’t make sense, but whatever.
It was right for you to respond if only to clarify the reasons you do things how you do them. I have watched many of your videos, as well as when you were on the 3PP podcast, and I have always found you to be as genuine as someone can be talking to a camera. And I would not change the way you do things. Like Adam Duff said in his video, the most important aspect you can bring to your channel is you. You do that well. Wipe your feet of this, walk thru the next door and don't look back.
I was literally going to go on that same tangent about how patronage works in the lives of artists. That patronage looks different in today's age vs. during the Renaissance for example.
I just followed you like a month ago or so, and I’m not one to just follow anyone! You have to have content I feel benefits others before I give my time. There were a couple of videos that had advice I haven’t heard any professional Artists say.
I’m still in the process of figuring out my process and how to go about it. Just reading the comments here you clearly have content I believe can help those in similar positions and the information was exactly what I needed to hear to push through what I was dealing with when I first came across your channel! And that I am thankful for.
Share your experience with being an artist, because somewhere out there someone is experiencing the same issues as you and I firmly believe artist helping artist is how we keep a support system within our art community, and by sharing what we know we are inviting more of that experience to come in.
Keep doing you girl! And keep pushing your content and the right people will follow you! I have found information through a couple of your videos I feel professional Artist like the Milan’s should be sharing in their workshops. You provide value even if others don’t see it. Much love and blessings to you!
You are so sincere and honest, and you have helped so many people. I watch your videos on repeat to keep my spirits up when I'm feeling discouraged about my art. I'm also guilty of not posting on socials, ESPECIALLY on insta.
I've been doing art, and I am working on a children's book, but keeping it to myself, trying new things in traditional media where I am normally a digital artist, and I would be a fraud in this guys eyes as well.
I hope the outpouring of love in the comments I've seen so far lifts you up on the days you need it, because you have lifted up so many others.
I'm sorry this jealous, and perhaps burnt out, disappointed, person lashing out at you apologises, but in the meantime, I want you to remember that you deserve all the love in the world 💖💖💖
i hate that you had to face this. i always admired and looked up to how well you run your bussiness. ever since going full time myself I saw all the work that is not actively working on illustrations etc. Its hard to believe for those who aren't experiencing it first hand but gosh, its a lot! keep on being you, you are a true inspiration!
Beautifully done, Kelsey, the cinematography and care you put into this truly show how your filming skills have blossomed over these years I follow you. The dedication alongside the passion you bring to your work is inspiring, even if it takes you weeks or months to share! I appreciate your thoughtful approach toward the other creator, keeping doors open and supporting respect with professionalism. You managed this with a graceful honor, BRAVO! Keep up with the amazing work, Kelsey, I'm excited to see what you create next! ✨
for me this is really reminiscent of how one of my other fav youtubers, Wendigoon, dealt with the slander and accusations he got from InPraiseOfShadows..just with pure dignity and calmness from a genuienly good place within heart (although that situation was much much more intense and heated)
this is what i aspire to be and it gets me emotional cause it is really hard and it requires a long way to go and mentally grow up
Kelsey, you're doing a wonderful job. People will tear down others when they're not achieving what someone else is. They lash out, make accusations, spit baseless claims like cheating, etc. I've taken your advice several times to grow my own channel. Like they say in the business world: "If you don't upset people, then you're not doing it right."
You're doing it right!
I appreciate this video, I don’t think many people realise how much goes on in the background as life as an artist, and how it’s all shifted now with the advent of the internet, and you either go along with it and thrive or get bitter and don’t. And I am sure ALL of us would love to paint all day and have plenty of money, but it’s just not possible so we do what we can and have multiple streams of income
I’ve never done a normal job in my life. Been animating and illustrating for over twenty years but because it was always contract work and not my own I felt like I didn’t want to call myself an artist. It triggered anxiety in me to call myself an artist because there was so much pressure by others to determine what art is. Like why do some people feel they can determine what is art? IMO it comes from not being happy with where they are i their own journey. I think your art is your art. Your channel is your art too whether your painting or not. Because it’s your voice that makes it art not the medium. You do you sis 🤙🏾😁
I, for one, appreciate the free value you constantly give. Thank you for the playbook!
That foo is toxic. He is looking to get views with this and it's pathetic. I've been following you for a while and you are authentic and transparent with your struggles, your successes, and your finances. Your community sees that. We got you mija. Y pa los haters, lo que hablen que se les multiplique!
Business and art go hand in hand if you want to use art as a source of income. There really is no way around it in most cases, but that does not take away from the fact that you are an artist. If you make art, you are an artist. Simple as that really.
Hi, i'm sorry that happened to you.
I've been on YT since 2012, and I have had almost 0 progress
just to let you know my channel is over 400k subscribers now
all because of your and Katliente advice
it took me 3 years of weekly uploading to get here, it wasn't easy but it was worth it.
Even though I'm from the other side of the world (I'm from SA ) your advice helped me A LOT
I want just to draw and do the fun part, but I realized it would take more than that to succeed if I wanted to make this my career
please don't stop doing what you doing. ❤
I have been a silent viewer of your channel for so so long … and when their video came out , I was so disappointed…. Your videos were one of the huge reason , I started RUclips . I started filming vlogs , filming my creative process focusing on editing . And trust me I have never been happier . I was happy with my art alone but the amount of financial freedom I got through RUclips and other things like sponsorship also helped a lot to continue my art without constantly worrying about the financial aspect .
I love artists like you because you all literally inspire us and show us that the world is changing and now you CAN make money as an artist even though people are not directly buying it .
Lots of love to you and just know that art small business owners like us are always looking forward to your videos … whether it be your art or your advice videos … its your channel and you have full freedom to post what you feel like .. 🩷
All the very best ! Looking forward to your wholesome videos !