This guy belongs in a cell. If he was distributing that sort of images, he knew what he was doing. Also not buying he was just a “collector” before he started distributing it, if he wasn’t saving them for distribution initially he was saving them for himself. Kudos to you Jack for staying composed, I wouldn’t be able to talk to this guy without calling out his bs
Yeah this guy is full of crap. He acts like he didnt know any better and had this epiphany that it was "wrong". He keeps talking about the "power" he had....nobody is buying that BS. The guy is a pedo who got spooked once he got too big and probably came close to getting caught so he came on this podcast to cover his ass if he ends up in court later. Its so obvious. Jack, if u really care about children being abused u should just dox this guy. He had to ASK YOU "UHH WHAT SHOULD I DO??? DELETE IT?? OH WOW...NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT". C'mon man... wtf
@@stanleykeal2452even if he’s not which he is he’s a DISTRIBUTOR of this sick shit which is even worse that’s like a fentanyl dealer saying “I only deal to other dealers not users”
@@stanleykeal2452 you would be shocked how many pedo's are out there bro, And the MOST are people in power... Like people working in the public sector, at high levels.... That includes federal... It will blow your mind...~ no pun
my buddy does too with his daughter.. she lives on Roblox.. he was devastated i told him it's a kids dating site now.. lol (they want those kids as custies for life as they grow)
@@_gatsbyThe problem is that it doesn't crack down to the extent that actual kid games used to. Online social games have ALWAYS been dating for kids tho. Kids used to have club penguin girlfriends in my school and club penguin did a good job of preventing anything incriminating or adult from being typed.
Yup! It's unfortunate that the internet turned out to be the reason so many children should be made aware of the worst kinds of human behavior so early and in such detail for their and their friend's/siblings safety. Without a good bit of the context as to why, they will not be aware enough to know when before its too late. I was hoping my kids could be "kids" a little longer than I let myself. "Don't talk to strangers" doesn't work in a world where they can easily be fooled into thinking they are not strangers or even adults. Way to go world! Ugh
@@user-zj4ju5fi4j You're lucky too, since your kid is already a teen, at that point they hopefully have some sense and know to avoid dangerous creeps. The average Roblox player is *way* younger, I'm talking like ages 5-11, they don't even have a chance.
I appreciate the fact you didn’t censor everything like other creators. Way better to listen to the real deal than made up words. Always feels childish especially with those serious topics
Just because he claims to not have personally enjoyed the images doesn’t undo the harm he’s done by distributing them for his pathetic little ego boost
He was the trader and to be fair if he existed or not cp will exist unfortunately. He should get some consequences but he probably was desensitized him.
the fbi ran playpen for over a year and added NEW images and videos to it. not saying i disagree with you, the fbi is guilty of distributing cp and harming children as well. they also saved children during this time, but that's just a line u dont cross and they more than crossedi t.
@@monsterhunter445he claims to have been* i couldn’t imagine ever doing anything like that. We’re talking about our children. The way he hesitates to say 14 worries me
I have a soon to be 9 year old and i had no idea Kik was even still used, let alone so popular with kids. Despite the vulgar subject, i appreciate the episode.
Don't do that. 1. they can just bypass it, I know from experience. 2. It'll make them maladjusted for the real world. 3. It's much easier just to be a trustworthy parent and have a close relationship with your kid. @@sgt.freyrpepper1871
Bro omg i thought you were saying you yourself were 9. Glad you’re not lol. Anyway yeah definitely keep your kid off as much internet as possible honestly. 9 is too young for content addiction let alone the possible stuff like this out there
I didn't either! I'm astounded that it's still a thing, much less a thing kids still use! Kik has been a cesspool of sketch from day 1 (or at least that was always my impression..)
Nah the moment he said he had a age limit i felt uncomfortable, this guy definitely knew what he was doing and trying to separate himself from it😬 he needs to get locked up because wtf
Human brain works in interesting ways. That separation is self defense mechanism That happens to people during traumatic events. Which means at the bare minimum he felt very guilty about what he was doing and his brain was separating him from that guilt making it more easy to do what he was doing. He defiantly needs help be it jail or therapy or internet separation.
I don't know how to demonize the people on there coming forward, that may also be kids, and perhaps justifying it to themselves as other kids wanting to see content of people their own age. Destroying lives and crowding prisons at the taxpayer expense seems to be where people jump to immediately, but they feel only a temporary vindication for a project concluding with x number of "bad guys" put away then they go back to being ignorant, and failing to have conversations and building plans to protect their children because its awkward. People get addicted to the rush of getting away with illegal stuff regardless of what the crime is, in the same way compulsive gamblers do. Especially people online with poor social skills being the sudden go to person of the internet. When I worked for DCS kids willingly went back to sex trafficking pimps because they were addicted to the attention, gifts, lifestyle, and drugs used to manipulate them into these acts. So if the parent's don't stop it before its too late nothing will change. You can't hire everyone to be an FBI agent for what should be very obvious reasons. Corruption exists in every institution. Furthermore look into the sentencing for people who commit these kinds of crimes. They aren't sent to jail forever, and jail doesn't stop highly motivated criminals that just learned a bunch of new tricks during their temporary visit. We live in a society of abundance in the richest nation in the world and most people are getting desperate financially. People working multiple jobs are being called lazy while being thrust into a new class of working homeless people, and couples that refuse to have kids because they can't afford them. The best fix for all crime is to make the downfall from what you have in society so great, that less people are willing to take these kinds of risks in the first place. This only happens by breaking up monopolies, redistributing wealth, and ending legal bribing in the form of lobbying.
@@socialhostage8534 He 100% thought about what would sound the least bad. There's no way someone who drew a line in the sand would need to think that long about it.
I downloaded kik to get my contacts (not realizing it had changed owners and they were all gone anyway) and there was a child related illegal room RIGHT THERE in the suggested “friendly” category. Without having to search at all!!! It’s crazy
I’m waiting for someone to make one of these videos exposing Whisper and it’s unique brand of horrible. In middle school (when I was 12-14) I used that app with friends and it was absolutely rife with p*dos asking for pics and meetups (age and gender was viewable, the lowest age was 15-17 which we had ours set at) as soon as you posted ANYTHING. And it was location based too, so the feed you showed up in was in your town/city. I remember during one instance of teenage rebellion I actually considered going through with it, and meeting up with an absolute stranger to spite my parents. Thinking back on that now, I chills me to wonder how many kids just like me *actually* did go through with it. It’s disgusting how platforms like this with no regulation for this sort of deplorable behaviour are so common.
I had to call the FBI cyber crime division on an asshole on KiK over exactly this kind of shit about five or six years ago. He sent a message to my oldest daughter of a very inappropriate nature, I sent him a link then sent the sheriff and FBI his info and address. I heard a rumor that the feds turned his house and marriage upside down. I hope they've put him in a gen pop prison.
Nope. For sure a BS story. At the very least the raid part. These guys get treated like princes by our government. They would have promoted him to the senate.
To be fair, the US lost track of the guns they gave to the cartels as part of a failed sting operation, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if some trader they gave legal immunity to keep trading as part of some sting operation didn't actually help catch a single predator, and just perpetuated the abuse.
So, maybe jack is dancing around it to avoid interfering with ongoing investigation.... But kik being captured by law enforcement and converted into a honeypot makes the most sense
Probably has been, probably this guy helped make it happen to avoid life in prison, probably jack got approached by "someone knowledgable about the matter" to put this guy on. But who knows for real, right? Nobody would want it known that they made such an agreement
That would be the only reason to keep it up and running that makes sense. Otherwise, it would make more sense for the feds to simply seize it and take it down.@@claudeyaz
So, Freedom of Speech is now considered right-wing... Neither Apple nor Google have done anything about child porn on kick because those companies are dominated by leftist pedophiles and groomers.
It's truly astonishing to see how easily children and teenagers can be influenced. Reflecting on my own experiences, I'm struck by how vulnerable my friends and I were during our childhood. It's uncommon for young people to think critically and scrutinize situations thoroughly. Looking back, I'm grateful that I never fell for any deceptive tactics or manipulative behavior from someone who turned out to be a predator. My heart goes out to all the victims who weren't as fortunate and ended up suffering because of their trust in the wrong person.
Yep and just look at the gender ideology influencing kids that probably just want to fit in, and when they don't, think something is wrong with them and desperately seek solutions that are totally wrong for them although they found people to encourage them down that road.
on one hand i'm glad that the 'doc' person had a bit of a come-to-jesus moment and in his freaked out haze reached out for help, although i can't imagine being jack and suddenly having to manage that whole situation with that guy out of the blue!!?! being suddenly presented with such an extremely delicate situation that absolutely nobody wants to be involved or even associated with, not knowing how potentially deep it goes, having to toe the line between 'share your story to help bring awareness to the issue, and find some supports to help you get past that phase' and 'what did you say your name and location was again? asking for a friend...' with the cops on the other end of the line, LOL-- god, what a weird one this one was!!
my experience with kik back in the day was devious in a different nature. i was deep into what ill call knife art and was introduced to a few groups centered on that. it was disguised as a support chat but below the surface we encouraged each other. some wanted to be seen as the most damaged. the person that ran it was interesting to say the least. i wouldnt say theyre a terrible person. they were just a product of their shitty environment. these days the chat is dead and those i knew then have moved on and gotten better. most of us anyway. and it wasnt all bad. i still have a friend from across the world i met there all those years ago and we helped each other leave those groups behind. looking back we were all kids 13-22 being guided down a path of self destruction but at least to my knowledge there was no ped stuff going on so theres that. sorry if this is all over the place. i try not to think of it much. be safe friends.
Thanks for not censoring trigger words and phrases from the story, like too many other creators do, for fear of a robot removing said video. Thank you for not doing that! 👍
it makes a big difference because when people dont hear the word they dont necessarily attribute it to anything, so saying torture like txxture or child porn like cxxld pxxn people don't see these things as they really are, it doesnt have the same effect that it would otherwise. like someone being shocked as compared to someone just sitting there listening with a blank face, one person is horrified and the other could care less, one of those things is good the other is not, because it allows it to continue as people downplay or even just don't acknowledge the problem. Using those words has a more positive effect than blurring them in my opinion because it shocks people and drives them to want to do something about it, rather than sitting complacent acting like its not a problem, even if they are against it.
I think you can say trigger words after 20 mins in to the video. That or Jack is willing to take a hit to the money department so the story is easier to listen too
@@missjustice2730 If the video is to inform of dangers you say whatever you want. Stop being so stupid. We are adults and the world is dangerous. If you can't handle that you don't need "20 minutes" you need a therapist.
Reminder to parents that children should not have internet access without some amount of oversight. Kids will always find porn if they're looking for it, but you can still protect them from shit like this... as long as you're not bad with tech anyway
@@detective2221that's absurd. It's 2023. Remember the weird parents that wouldn't let their kids have TV? You're just creating way more interest and secrecy in kids if you keep them from all access.
@@detective2221 Sounds great! Children are well known to never disobey their parents and seek out that which is forbidden. Yup. Never happens. As we all know, making something forbidden means nobody will do it!
@@michah321 Im saying that because I specifically have trauma from the internet. I was never supervised on it. And I didn't end up well, im 16 now. most of the stuff that happend I cant talk about it, but I have a specific disliking towards the internet now, but cant really get off of it.
@@Nerobyrne Copy pasting my reply to person above. Im saying that because I specifically have trauma from the internet. I was never supervised on it. And I didn't end up well, im 16 now. most of the stuff that happend I cant talk about it, but I have a specific disliking towards the internet now, but cant really get off of it.
I never used kik, i knew it was for perverts, weirdos, and chomos because the only people who asked "do you have kik?" were people from Omegle chatrooms...
same, except with the addition of those sponsored posts on instagram that keep slipping their way through the cracks advertising illicit drugs with simply a link to a kik chatroom
@@CatFish107 adultery because it's semi anonymous. And if someone gets crazy or obsessed you delete the account and they won't know your name or number
This guy has "8000" images memorized & it gave him "power". I don't know where to go with this statement as it's so revolting to know those pics so intimately (esp if you are opposed to it) and to enjoy the "power" that it gave him! He enjoyed the power he had over pedophiles. I can't imagine anyone I know that could enjoy that kind of power/respect & if he could, that means he doesn't feel so negatively about what they were doing & requesting/sending. And if he was so repulsed by this content, why would it be so difficult to delete all the content? I would think most people would be happy putting the storage device in a blast furnace b/c it was so contaminated. I don't think he only had 8000 images either & I didn't believe his 14yr old age limit. All of this really sounds more like a CYA b/c he's scared that law enforcement might be onto him. It was the mod who approached this video creator/channel owner (Jack) & it seems like he is panicking.
Parler did moderate their content, and they also reported violent content to the FBI. The claim that Parler didn't moderate their content is completely untrue; their removal from AWS was a political move.
I couldn't help noticing when I was on Parler in a rather innocuous political commentary channel that there were people who would quietly join the room, wait until the moderators went offline for the night, and then the room would flood with people no legitimate users knew who would spend a few minutes posting racial slurs and the like, and then disappear, and the room would be shut down by the next morning, escalating for a few weeks until Parler itself was shut down as a "Threat to Our Democracy", which seemed less likely to me to be a coincidence, and more likely to be a coordinated false-flag operation that would use the opportunity to take screenshots of their own offensive content and report it to authorities to silence discussion and shut down the platform. Whenever I would probe the "invaders" a little with in-jokes and jargon and so on that should be familiar to actual members of the group, it was clear that none of these guys had any idea what we were talking about, and were complete outsiders to our group pretending awkwardly to be "just like us, only more so!" by pretending to be a completely shallow and inaccurate stereotype of the group. It's partly the channel moderators' fault for failing to keep the house clean overnight, and partly Parler's fault for leaving their software so easy to exploit, but there definitely seemed to me to be a coordinated effort to take advantage of those weaknesses for political purposes. Parler was the victim of an aggressive and coordinated campaign to discredit the company and its software and users base, and wasn't sophisticated enough to prevent it from happening. There were other problems besides - I don't remember the exact details now, but I seem to recall that after Parler was shut down, AWS (or someone with access to AWS) promptly doxed the user base to add injury to insult after Parler's representatives made the mistake a couple months before of bragging about Parler's privacy and security.... I think Parler's owners and staff really meant well and tried hard, but simply weren't cut out for the job they'd assumed for themselves once any hardball tactics were turned on them! Their security, privacy, infrastructure, moderation, and other resources such as budgeting, staffing, and talent pool must surely be dwarfed and amateurish compared to more serious, experienced, well-connected, politically useful, and shady platforms like Twitter, RUclips, or TikTok!
I was completely confused, like "why are streamers moving to a kid's messaging app?" I didn't even know about the porn, that would have made things even more confusing, lol.
It's funny because Kik could have won a big payout suing Kick for trademark infringement, but medialab does absolutely nothing so they didn't even realize they could do that
1:28:49 just incase jack reads comments, I think why he is saying just flipping a switch and shutting it all down would be a bad thing to do is that it would be like bug bombing an apartment with roaches. Yea Roaches leave the area, but they just spread to everyone elses apartments, the pests need to be properly exterminated. With that in mind swap out the people involved with kik and the problem is clear.
Hey man, I’ve gotten to really love your channel the past few months. Glad to see you’re producing such raw content about matters that you don’t hear normally. Keep up the great work. You’re channel alone is the inspiration for my work.
I used to code extremely powerful channel protection systems for IRC. Everything he's talking about manipulating kick clients is what sounds it just sounds so much like a lot of the stuff I used to write bridge applications for. So I can totally relate to what that guy is talking about but on an even older chat protocol. Everything in the world is still based on TCPIP. Makes it easy.
Idk how you made it through this one man, would have been too much for me. After only like 30 minutes, I'm already starting to suspect that this guy belongs in prison!
@@nonamex6536 once he decided it was OK to go minimum 14yo and then said he spiralled much further beyond that point... that's under the prison for sure.
@@carnivorebear6582 yeah, after hearing him say he collect and then distributed that shit. he needs to be tossed in jail. idc how many doxes he made lead to people getting arrested or not. Nothing will make me look past the fact he admits to collecting and distributing.
This actually illustrates pretty well that there's a fair bit of grooming going on between perpetrators I think its very important to understand how people get sucked into these rings to prevent stuff like this from happening
I'm not here to defend the guy or his actions, but Jack has to maintain journalistic integrity. The fact that he can get these people on his show and have them talk about these topics is arguably worth more than one dude receiving retribution. Spreading awareness of the issue is important and that is the role Jack plays in this scenario. If people start getting arrested after coming on the show, no one will come on the show anymore. There's been many criminals who have been willing to come on and talk with Jack... ultimately this guy is no different than any of the others. That make make you uncomfortable, but that's the facts.
@Benjamindaines I've got no problem with Jack keeping journalistic integrity in regards to any black hat hackers. Having a policy of anonymity for all sources with the single exception for pdf files is not gonna lose him any contacts. These people need removing from society immediately, preferably permanently. Letting them loose is a massive liability. When his porn addiction gets to the point where no images/videos can satisfy, he'll leap at any chance of grooming a kid irl.
@@carnivorebear6582 How much good do you think him reporting one dude who trusted him is going to do?! to say that he needs to throw everything away because he found ONE DUDE is pathetic.
@@spazemfathemcazemmeleggymi272 if someone is a journalist with a policy of keeping sources secret unless they are involved in csam, well then its just the self admitted csam enjoyers/producers that need to worry isn't it? I don't really care if we don't get to hear sickos paint themselves as victims.
Also, the porn collector guy, I feel like if he was truly remorseful for what he disseminated and the culture he helped to propagate that he'd have used that power(his influence & knowledge) he had for good once he was aware of how monstrous his actions were. I don't know how you compelled him to do this interview, maybe this is a way for him to cope with a guilty conscience, but if I were him this would need to be the jumping point. It's a lot to hope for, but I really do hope he works to give back to society as much as he's taken from it
I had a friend that did the trade stuff and got all my computers taken from my house and the fbi returned my gaming pc with nothing pluged in hes locked up on a life sentence and hope he enjoys prison as a pedo
@@carnivorebear6582 really weird because you think you know someone and looking in hindsight you see all thies signs that you wished you picked up on like for instance he really liked league of legends and some mmo that let you play as a kid character and japanese cartoons Jesus Laporte from new York idk if his arrest is still public info or not
@@TheSmokinPotato there's a couple articles from New Zealand saying it was a joint US and NZ investigation. If that's him he was truly sickening, grooming a six year old... I'm sure it was quite the shock we tend to give people the benefit of the doubt. Not that it's a certainty but the anime > lolicon > cp pathway is very real.
@@TheSmokinPotato wow that's insane, but it satisfies me knowing that justice was served though it must have been an extremely confusing and stressful situation initially with the fbi taking your stuff & getting you involved in the whole investigation, and it must be confusing initially when someone you trust is suddenly being characterized as such a monster, glad that everything worked out in the end for that whole situation though :)
My wife was groomed by a guy on kik when we were in hughschool. I always had a sour feeling about the app, and now it's on your show.. so I suppose my intuition was right..
Easy to blame something else instead of holding your wife accountable. Ya we’re in High school so knew what she was doing. You just can’t come to terms with reality 😂
Thank you for your hard work. Your episodes are fascinating. Sounds to me like certain websites are allowed to continue as there's involvement by the law makers and judiciary. I say that because the law is not used across the board fairly, some aps can get away with it and others not, some people can get away with it and others not. My suspicion is that they're being allowed because of the involvement of the authorities.
I'm not exactly sure of how this content was being distributed in chats, I wonder how much of it existed on their servers... Seems odd that they can take such a relaxed position towards it and continue to operate while, through incompetence, they are actively involved in hosting and distributing the content.
I don't want to speculate too much, but I think the 'doctor' might be Scandinavian, possibly Danish, based on the way he pronounces and structures his sentences.
Huh... I've been on Kik for 2 or 3 years primarily for the NSFW stuff and honestly I've never encountered any CP, plus every time anyone said they were a minor they got immediately banned from the 18+ chatrooms I was in. Then again, I never sought any of that out so I guess that could just be that.
im not the kind of person who can stand listening to podcasts -- just happens to be the way my adhd works -- but as someone who was sexually targeted for 5 years of my childhood by various people on kik starting as early as 9 years old, thank you for talking about this, even if i cant listen. every time i see people speaking out about this kind of thing, it makes me feel a little less alone in what i went through. im 19 now and while i dont think ill ever fully be able to leave that experience behind me, every day lifts a little more off my shoulders. thank you again!
You are absolutely not alone. I was groomed constantly from age 9-16 on xat chatrooms and talked to my groomers over skype, telegram, kik (a little bit), and later discord before I was old enough to truly understand what actually happened to me. My partner was also groomed in similar ways as a kid through roleplay and hookup sex. There is healing for you, much love
The line that has been crossed, referred to in this video, is the power to simply order a website be shut down without any reason given whatsoever. If anyone can flip a switch, then nobody is safe online anymore, criminal or not.
The only problem with these sickos, you close one platform, but then they move to another one..I used to chat to a pen pal back in the day on kik, a Frenchie..didn't even knew you could join rooms🤣🤦🏻♂️
You should interview the guy from NVCAP / PPsetx. He has a few hundred predators he caught and goes all over the states. The sheer level of skill he has would make you think he’s a cop. Like he gets confession that police/detectives spend 10’s of hours trying to get. But yeah, his name is Alex. I feel like he’s the face of the whole to catch a predator styled content because who goes undercover as a trader and dude… guy just gotta check yourself. It’s almost scary how much he has evolved. Plenty of stories to tell.
You do realize that cops are generally incompetent? Internet John Doe wouldn't have to do this kind of shit if the government actually cared for the quality of people lives, instead of controlling peoples lives. I have never met a cop that wasn't low intelligence, I have meet cops with good and bad hearts, but I have never met a smart officer. And the reason for this is so that Police won't question government when they are tasked to protect government from the people. Comparing someone to a police officer is one of the most offenssive and cruel comparisons I can think of.
@@toria.strange.bastet oh nah I don’t care about vigilante groups, they ruin everything. They’re the reason predators get protection and are often released even as repeat offenders. It’s disgusting. But as for the group I’m taking about, they aren’t a vigilante. They basically work in tandem with law enforcement by doing the investigation, getting a confession, and turning everything in so they had a head start. Then when court comes around, they make sure to appear to help with the cases.
The great thing about this channel is that you are a Normie and we get to hear your perspective and reactions to things. With that said, you do a great job getting guests on talked about things most would never ever hear about, or understand the depravity of the cultures. You do a good job shining a light on the dark side of humanity so that we don’t forget, there is wickedness in the world.
Parenting. That's what you do. Parents are responsible for solving this "problem." Before the internet, parents told their kids to watch out for perverts. Why did we ever get the idea to stop doing this?
sad to see internet pedo is still alive and well. years ago i used to report kid porn whenever i found it, but after awhile, i found i was reporting the same sites over and over for a few years and the powers that be never did a damn thing to remove the content or shut down the sites. point being, it's too easy to mod around the safeguards. aka: locks are only to keep honest people honest. what good is it to report bad behavior if law enforcement won't do anything about it?
The biggest issue with simply shutting down an app or a website is that it doesn't stop anything, it only disrupts it. So long as the people involved remain free, they'll simply find or create another system. The only way to stop it is to remove the players. I agree that investigators time is better spent using the systems their targets are already using to gather evidence, information, and locations of these people. They need to be held accountable, not just shooed away like houseflies.
Regardless, this is something kids have easy access to, unlike the dark web. Honestly, kik and Instagram both permit this kind of activity to the point they're fostering am environment that kids enter into unaware and that's unacceptable. It's one thing if they actually try to combat it, these are clearly companies that profit off of it.
At the very least it is good to know what to avoid. That is a luxury my parents didn't have when I was young, they would just say don't talk to strangers, which at the time was kind of like mr mackey saying drugs are bad over and over again.
28:16 On the mainstream surface web, the World Wide Web, I recall a term that was used is "Riding The Spider", that surfing the web for obscure information is like a drug. I am one of the addicts. This is perhaps one of the many reasons censorship/shadow banning comments is practiced on major tech platforms. Information and links can lead to rabbit holes, etc.
That's exactly what's happening. If you're like me then you try to expose those links and such information. I'm often censored, because I'm pointing out something that goes against the narrative.
@@chronometer9931 You bet, and its sooo obvious what's happening with the WWW; Google, Wikipedia, and Reddit with Meta are basically the entire surface web at this point and the arbiters of information and decide what will trend, and at what time it will trend etc.
Jack's rant at the end is just wrong. If someone wants the entire internet to be populated exclusively by large corporations, then by all means attack section 230. If all of us small special-interest web site runners, who have day jobs and can't afford an army of moderators, can go to prison because of something said in a comment section, or on a forum, then only big corporate sites will be left. Those of us who have to run small sites from our homes will be done.
There are way too many platforms where this same things happen, I remember at least five that have zero moderation and are way too hard to take down a post, and that as long as I know, have not been taken down. It's at least 20 counting those that already got taken down or at least got some moderation (example: TikTok, there was a time when the moderation was... loose to say the least)
Dear FBI agent. I really do not know how this video got on my recommendations. But I listened it for educational purposes as my player was on autoplay and I was gaming thru most of the video. Thanks for understanding.
Difficult subject to think about, but thank you for doing so Jack - I'm glad I grew u before the internet did! Must be so hard for parents these days.....
I applaud your efforts! Your actually going after the scumbags. And not just baiting exclusively noobs in India running a smalltime Mcafee scam like some well celebrated people do.
If anything they use it as a sort of blackmail initiation ritual, it gets them into the club but can be used against them just as easily I used to think this sort of stuff was Schizo af but Epstein demonstrates it was happening at the highest levels. Same with Jimmy Saville. And lord knows what kind of depraved stuff happens in Hollywood. Plenty of rumors trickle out but that’s just the tip of the iceberg
Thank you so much for making this video. Seriously. One more thing I must say is that you’ll see this kind of exploitation on the livestream portion of the app itself. It’ll be a stream like “mom and daughter” and say “to text my daughter” then when you look up their name you see very disturbing images without even texting them. It’s only gonna get worse if we don’t do something. There’s so much more I wanna say… I’m so disgusted that this app can continue to exist like this and I hope and pray to god every day it will end
Man, trading porn of all kinds online have been around since back in the AOL Dialup days and BBSes. if there's a way to share porn, people have been doing it.
Unfortunately at this point most people just need to take justice into their own hands for taking the stuff down. It was a problem on snapchat too not too long ago bots kept messaging around trying to sell it.
One of the first episodes I didn't want to listen to. "Doc" is a pedo end of story.. he laughs and glorifies his bs and I think it's a little inappropriate to be giving him a platform to tell his predator fairly tales.
Will you ever do a story on the time the FBI ran a site that distributed similar content? Its insane how far they have to go to HAVE A CHANCE at catching or prosecuting these type of scum.
Yea they can sell illegal guns, drugs, illegal porn, solicit sex for money and all the rest of the shit the people they are going after do. Who's really the bad guys?
I had a guy I went school with who got caught on Kik amongst other sites. Never touched anyone until he got arrested for images. Kind of true what he said - he might as well do something than limit himself to being hands-off because people want to kill him no matter what. I hate the guy but it is so difficult to get people done for just saying things.
as a victim of child abuse, and the internets amplification of that, i MUST say, if you have kids WATCH what they do! No more parking your kid in front of an ipad so you can have a break while they get groomed! please keep your kids safe, i cant keep watching but i hope you all support this video, people must know how to protect their children.❤
You see the thing with Parler is that it did moderate illegal content - strictly. It however did not care about political speech, including speech apple, google or their clients disagreed with. Gotta have priorities, huh? :v
Well the cops and fbi knows where the CP people are, so every now and then they take a few of them down. I guess it's convenient to have them all in the same chat rooms.
Yeah he conveniently left out the part where AWS took the completely unprecedented step of dropping Parler without notice. THAT's what actually killed them, and it should be a wakeup to anyone with hosting there.
Private firearms sales are not illegal, however knowingly selling to a prohibited person is illegal. There are no legal requirements for private sellers to perform a background check on purchasers. Armslist is not the equivalent of silk road.
i know old post but years ago i used arms list for almost all my gunsales because in teh state i use dit all you needed was an ID and we would even add a bill of sale
The question needs to be asked, if Media Lab have appears to have all but abandoned the Kik app, then would they seriously do anything if Apple and Google just removed them. Would it be in their interests to launch a legal challenge? Personally, I’d bet not.
I think he was saying more of they abandoned it in terms of updating anything… the way I took it is they are basically using it to print money while not having to do “upkeep/maintenance” they are probably making millions off an app they don’t even have to do anything to sustain
Deeply frustrating to know that "Doc" is in my country and I can't do anything about it. I can tell from his accent that he's Danish (and *probably* not from the Copenhagen area, though it may be possible). But there are +6 million people in this country so I have no way way to track him down. He could be my fucking neighbor. Horrifying.
You're missing a step during the phishing, you should blackmail the chomos, if you added trusted clan members who could go irl and blackmail them, then you can start a bounty business. Most biker gangs would be thrilled to get a list of chomos who they could blackmail into turning themselves in. Outsourcing is the best way to leverage the market.
Under section 230 if you are unable to remove offensive material or even setup basic safeguards you would be fined or criminally liable. However no one cares that CP is on this app your kids are using.
Google & Apple when there's actual CP on an active app: I sleep. Google & Apple when an independently operated social media app caters to right-wing sentiments vs. the majority of others: *REAL SHIT* Seriously, the fact that both conglomerates are more concerned with political discussion on a smaller social media app versus active pedo activity on an app that is STILL on THEIR digital marketplace is dumbfounding.
I had to stop half way because i started feeling sick. Im a mum and the idea that my child might end up on a platform that allows this is terrifying. Ill finish the episode at some point because i need to make sure when my child is older they are safe.
the best thing you can possibly do is make sure that your kid knows that if something/someone online makes them feel uncomfortable/weird, they can come tell you and you're not going to get all upset at them for being honest (and by the sounds of your comment, I have little doubt you'll do exactly that!). Kids are *_going_* to get themselves into bad situations, but knowing that mom is always in your corner makes a huuuuuge difference :)
42:58 One thing that *NEEDS* to me noted is that whenever someone looks at that image/video for sexual reasons, that minor is being *ABUSED* all over again by that viewer.
Jack went soft on the doc guy for sure, and I understand why: for one, becoming aggressive might have made the guy run with his tail between his legs and block Jack, and second, most people in this world deserve the benefit of the doubt and the chance to change for the better. I do hope that what he said is true, that he deleted everything, and that he's not repeating the same mistakes somewhere else. Still, what he did is absolutely illegal in the US, and he should suffer the consequences accordingly. Just knowing about this, my heart goes out to the victims of abuse and harassment. I've heard and read accounts of adults who were victims of CP in their childhood... And god, everything they go through is absolutely heart wrenching.
I didn't even read the thumbnail before I clicked, but it is a show about the dark web so you have to expect it. I really don't care for all these pervert episodes lately with the trannies and such, I wish he'd stick to technically difficult attacks and the like. The nintendo one was good. I'd love to hear him do lake city quiet pills.
That would hurt his journalistic integrity, sadly. He can't interview criminals if they think he's going to tell the police. It's messed up, but also, who knows if there is even any proof he did this in the past.
If someone runs an advertising campaign exposing this side of the application, and asking people who are against it (I hope it's the vast majority) to boycott the application, wouldn't that force those responsible to take some action?
I fell asleep, thanks for the nap. Something I pickup on is this notion of trading. That isn't new. At the beginning of the 90s trading in chat rooms was done on AOL with the dial up service. They traded by gathering in chat rooms then start an email chain.
they've been recorded and posted to his website & on streaming services like spotify for a long time, sometimes years, but it's only recently that they're being formatted for youtube visually, and in order to maintain & grow a youtube audience, they're being uploaded on a regular/semi-regular schedule here
Recently stumbled upon your channel and it's like a hidden treasure. So many stories to tell that aren't creepypastas or reddit let's not meet.. but Dawg this story here lol it's like these dudes and chat warrior spammer dudes are new Internet age version of Napoleon dynamites uncle who lets everyone he meets know he used to throw the football a mile and he was the man lol "Back in my day of the wild west of the internet skreets I'd spam the 💩 out of sicko diddlers and clap that chat trap from a mile out."
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KIK has one employee, who lives in the server room, who's only job is to keep the servers from catching fire
I think the idea of a zombie company doing shady stuff without any human oversight or responsibility is quite creepy. Oh wait, I just described DAOs!
Just wait until that person is economically optimized replaced with an AI.
@@lovejoydk838 easiest employee to replace lmfaoo
Ignore the man behind the curtain xD
@@siquodwhat is DAOs?
This guy belongs in a cell. If he was distributing that sort of images, he knew what he was doing. Also not buying he was just a “collector” before he started distributing it, if he wasn’t saving them for distribution initially he was saving them for himself. Kudos to you Jack for staying composed, I wouldn’t be able to talk to this guy without calling out his bs
He belongs up against the wall tbh
It belongs in front of a firing squad
fkin right, this is indefensible.
Did he really do 2 of the worst internet crimes 😂 those are like life in prison why go on a podcast and admit to broadcasting any illegal stuff 😂
Yeah this guy is full of crap. He acts like he didnt know any better and had this epiphany that it was "wrong". He keeps talking about the "power" he had....nobody is buying that BS. The guy is a pedo who got spooked once he got too big and probably came close to getting caught so he came on this podcast to cover his ass if he ends up in court later. Its so obvious. Jack, if u really care about children being abused u should just dox this guy. He had to ASK YOU "UHH WHAT SHOULD I DO??? DELETE IT?? OH WOW...NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT". C'mon man... wtf
The way he paused to say “14” makes it obvious the age was much lower than that.. disgusting..
he said right before he couldn't even tell the age of people. just guessing.
This dude 100% a ped jack needs to expose this dude
@@stanleykeal2452even if he’s not which he is he’s a DISTRIBUTOR of this sick shit which is even worse that’s like a fentanyl dealer saying “I only deal to other dealers not users”
@@stanleykeal2452 you would be shocked how many pedo's are out there bro, And the MOST are people in power... Like people working in the public sector, at high levels.... That includes federal... It will blow your mind...~ no pun
@@RussellD11 makes me sick man. Leave the kids alone why is this such a problem for people.
I’m strict with what I let my kids do online. This is a great reminder why. Horrific, but a strong reminder. Thanks.
my buddy does too with his daughter.. she lives on Roblox.. he was devastated i told him it's a kids dating site now.. lol
(they want those kids as custies for life as they grow)
@@_gatsbyThe problem is that it doesn't crack down to the extent that actual kid games used to. Online social games have ALWAYS been dating for kids tho. Kids used to have club penguin girlfriends in my school and club penguin did a good job of preventing anything incriminating or adult from being typed.
Yup! It's unfortunate that the internet turned out to be the reason so many children should be made aware of the worst kinds of human behavior so early and in such detail for their and their friend's/siblings safety. Without a good bit of the context as to why, they will not be aware enough to know when before its too late. I was hoping my kids could be "kids" a little longer than I let myself. "Don't talk to strangers" doesn't work in a world where they can easily be fooled into thinking they are not strangers or even adults. Way to go world! Ugh
@@theminer49erzAnalogue was better.
@@user-zj4ju5fi4j You're lucky too, since your kid is already a teen, at that point they hopefully have some sense and know to avoid dangerous creeps. The average Roblox player is *way* younger, I'm talking like ages 5-11, they don't even have a chance.
I appreciate the fact you didn’t censor everything like other creators. Way better to listen to the real deal than made up words. Always feels childish especially with those serious topics
agree. if we are talking about something like this, there isn't a reason to do that, it's really silly
Big problem is youtube making either taking this down or demonetizing it at least
Just because he claims to not have personally enjoyed the images doesn’t undo the harm he’s done by distributing them for his pathetic little ego boost
He was the trader and to be fair if he existed or not cp will exist unfortunately. He should get some consequences but he probably was desensitized him.
the fbi ran playpen for over a year and added NEW images and videos to it. not saying i disagree with you, the fbi is guilty of distributing cp and harming children as well. they also saved children during this time, but that's just a line u dont cross and they more than crossedi t.
@@monsterhunter445he claims to have been* i couldn’t imagine ever doing anything like that. We’re talking about our children. The way he hesitates to say 14 worries me
I have a soon to be 9 year old and i had no idea Kik was even still used, let alone so popular with kids. Despite the vulgar subject, i appreciate the episode.
Configure a good firewall and parental protections for all of their devices. Blessings to you for being a parent.
Don't do that. 1. they can just bypass it, I know from experience. 2. It'll make them maladjusted for the real world. 3. It's much easier just to be a trustworthy parent and have a close relationship with your kid. @@sgt.freyrpepper1871
Bro omg i thought you were saying you yourself were 9. Glad you’re not lol. Anyway yeah definitely keep your kid off as much internet as possible honestly. 9 is too young for content addiction let alone the possible stuff like this out there
I didn't either! I'm astounded that it's still a thing, much less a thing kids still use! Kik has been a cesspool of sketch from day 1 (or at least that was always my impression..)
talk to your kid about shit like this they need to be able to deal with it since it's not exactly avoidable
Nah the moment he said he had a age limit i felt uncomfortable, this guy definitely knew what he was doing and trying to separate himself from it😬 he needs to get locked up because wtf
Human brain works in interesting ways. That separation is self defense mechanism That happens to people during traumatic events. Which means at the bare minimum he felt very guilty about what he was doing and his brain was separating him from that guilt making it more easy to do what he was doing. He defiantly needs help be it jail or therapy or internet separation.
boi's be horny get over it :D
"14 I believe" I bet it was 12.
I don't know how to demonize the people on there coming forward, that may also be kids, and perhaps justifying it to themselves as other kids wanting to see content of people their own age. Destroying lives and crowding prisons at the taxpayer expense seems to be where people jump to immediately, but they feel only a temporary vindication for a project concluding with x number of "bad guys" put away then they go back to being ignorant, and failing to have conversations and building plans to protect their children because its awkward. People get addicted to the rush of getting away with illegal stuff regardless of what the crime is, in the same way compulsive gamblers do. Especially people online with poor social skills being the sudden go to person of the internet. When I worked for DCS kids willingly went back to sex trafficking pimps because they were addicted to the attention, gifts, lifestyle, and drugs used to manipulate them into these acts. So if the parent's don't stop it before its too late nothing will change. You can't hire everyone to be an FBI agent for what should be very obvious reasons. Corruption exists in every institution. Furthermore look into the sentencing for people who commit these kinds of crimes. They aren't sent to jail forever, and jail doesn't stop highly motivated criminals that just learned a bunch of new tricks during their temporary visit. We live in a society of abundance in the richest nation in the world and most people are getting desperate financially. People working multiple jobs are being called lazy while being thrust into a new class of working homeless people, and couples that refuse to have kids because they can't afford them. The best fix for all crime is to make the downfall from what you have in society so great, that less people are willing to take these kinds of risks in the first place. This only happens by breaking up monopolies, redistributing wealth, and ending legal bribing in the form of lobbying.
@@socialhostage8534 He 100% thought about what would sound the least bad. There's no way someone who drew a line in the sand would need to think that long about it.
I downloaded kik to get my contacts (not realizing it had changed owners and they were all gone anyway) and there was a child related illegal room RIGHT THERE in the suggested “friendly” category. Without having to search at all!!! It’s crazy
Wtf I never heard of this shit. Almost sounds worse than the 80's. Dating myself.
Let's pray it's the feds. ❤🙏🏻 Never thought I'd say that though. 😂
Seriously.
That's insane, I had kik in 7th grade to text a girl off my ipod, it was just a basic chat messenger then
I'm so disgusted and disappointed by our modern society.
I’m waiting for someone to make one of these videos exposing Whisper and it’s unique brand of horrible.
In middle school (when I was 12-14) I used that app with friends and it was absolutely rife with p*dos asking for pics and meetups (age and gender was viewable, the lowest age was 15-17 which we had ours set at) as soon as you posted ANYTHING. And it was location based too, so the feed you showed up in was in your town/city. I remember during one instance of teenage rebellion I actually considered going through with it, and meeting up with an absolute stranger to spite my parents. Thinking back on that now, I chills me to wonder how many kids just like me *actually* did go through with it. It’s disgusting how platforms like this with no regulation for this sort of deplorable behaviour are so common.
I had to call the FBI cyber crime division on an asshole on KiK over exactly this kind of shit about five or six years ago. He sent a message to my oldest daughter of a very inappropriate nature, I sent him a link then sent the sheriff and FBI his info and address. I heard a rumor that the feds turned his house and marriage upside down. I hope they've put him in a gen pop prison.
WOOP WOOP
that never happened
Rumors create wars. However, in this case, screwem.@@techdegenerate286
"Heard a rumor" did ya? Like, through the ol' grapevine? I heard Bigfoot punched a unicorn that was stalking him too...
Nope. For sure a BS story. At the very least the raid part. These guys get treated like princes by our government. They would have promoted him to the senate.
To be fair, the US lost track of the guns they gave to the cartels as part of a failed sting operation, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if some trader they gave legal immunity to keep trading as part of some sting operation didn't actually help catch a single predator, and just perpetuated the abuse.
So, maybe jack is dancing around it to avoid interfering with ongoing investigation.... But kik being captured by law enforcement and converted into a honeypot makes the most sense
Probably has been, probably this guy helped make it happen to avoid life in prison, probably jack got approached by "someone knowledgable about the matter" to put this guy on. But who knows for real, right? Nobody would want it known that they made such an agreement
It probably is primarily a blackmail app, it also can be used to honeypot
They definitely should if they haven't already
That would be the only reason to keep it up and running that makes sense. Otherwise, it would make more sense for the feds to simply seize it and take it down.@@claudeyaz
So, Freedom of Speech is now considered right-wing... Neither Apple nor Google have done anything about child porn on kick because those companies are dominated by leftist pedophiles and groomers.
It's truly astonishing to see how easily children and teenagers can be influenced. Reflecting on my own experiences, I'm struck by how vulnerable my friends and I were during our childhood. It's uncommon for young people to think critically and scrutinize situations thoroughly. Looking back, I'm grateful that I never fell for any deceptive tactics or manipulative behavior from someone who turned out to be a predator. My heart goes out to all the victims who weren't as fortunate and ended up suffering because of their trust in the wrong person.
Yep and just look at the gender ideology influencing kids that probably just want to fit in, and when they don't, think something is wrong with them and desperately seek solutions that are totally wrong for them although they found people to encourage them down that road.
I found enough trouble as a teenager, and we didn't have the internet.
sometimes i think about my childhood and how maybe it's not bad that i had anxiety, but i'm just thankful nothing like this happened to me
New Title: "Jack interviews a Kik CP distributor"
😂
on one hand i'm glad that the 'doc' person had a bit of a come-to-jesus moment and in his freaked out haze reached out for help, although i can't imagine being jack and suddenly having to manage that whole situation with that guy out of the blue!!?! being suddenly presented with such an extremely delicate situation that absolutely nobody wants to be involved or even associated with, not knowing how potentially deep it goes, having to toe the line between 'share your story to help bring awareness to the issue, and find some supports to help you get past that phase' and 'what did you say your name and location was again? asking for a friend...' with the cops on the other end of the line, LOL-- god, what a weird one this one was!!
"Jack interviews an Irish kik CP distributor"
@@ryshellso526 could be Irish but i think he sounds more norther european, maybe german or Danish, belgian
He deffo called the feds on him
@@joelfairbanks3650 I am danish. He sounds 100% danish.
my experience with kik back in the day was devious in a different nature. i was deep into what ill call knife art and was introduced to a few groups centered on that. it was disguised as a support chat but below the surface we encouraged each other. some wanted to be seen as the most damaged. the person that ran it was interesting to say the least. i wouldnt say theyre a terrible person. they were just a product of their shitty environment. these days the chat is dead and those i knew then have moved on and gotten better. most of us anyway. and it wasnt all bad. i still have a friend from across the world i met there all those years ago and we helped each other leave those groups behind. looking back we were all kids 13-22 being guided down a path of self destruction but at least to my knowledge there was no ped stuff going on so theres that. sorry if this is all over the place. i try not to think of it much. be safe friends.
I hope you were totally able to stop doing that to yourself. Stay strong and safe please!
Unfortunately these groups still exist. I ran across a few of them on reddit and other apps :/
What’s knife art
@@YHK_YT cutting themselves
@@fugginrambo oh
Video: Pedophiles will click anything.
Me: (Clicks on video).
g1 m8
I guess we should all take a seat
Maybe the real pedos were the ones we made along the way?
Jack warned about listening to this on a speaker, did I listen? No. Now there are some very awkward conversations to be had.
Have fun. Surely the title alone was a big enough warning...
So u didn’t read the title? This isn’t something u play out loud because it’s a fvcked and stomach churning topic
😂😂😂
Do you usually click on anything? 😛
Thanks for not censoring trigger words and phrases from the story, like too many other creators do, for fear of a robot removing said video.
Thank you for not doing that! 👍
For real, it's insane how it's rare these days to hear something uncensored.
it makes a big difference because when people dont hear the word they dont necessarily attribute it to anything, so saying torture like txxture or child porn like cxxld pxxn people don't see these things as they really are, it doesnt have the same effect that it would otherwise. like someone being shocked as compared to someone just sitting there listening with a blank face, one person is horrified and the other could care less, one of those things is good the other is not, because it allows it to continue as people downplay or even just don't acknowledge the problem. Using those words has a more positive effect than blurring them in my opinion because it shocks people and drives them to want to do something about it, rather than sitting complacent acting like its not a problem, even if they are against it.
I think you can say trigger words after 20 mins in to the video. That or Jack is willing to take a hit to the money department so the story is easier to listen too
The algo has a special place for this channel and vids, it seems.
@@missjustice2730 If the video is to inform of dangers you say whatever you want. Stop being so stupid. We are adults and the world is dangerous. If you can't handle that you don't need "20 minutes" you need a therapist.
Reminder to parents that children should not have internet access without some amount of oversight. Kids will always find porn if they're looking for it, but you can still protect them from shit like this... as long as you're not bad with tech anyway
Kids shouldn't be on the internet.
@@detective2221that's absurd. It's 2023. Remember the weird parents that wouldn't let their kids have TV? You're just creating way more interest and secrecy in kids if you keep them from all access.
@@detective2221 Sounds great!
Children are well known to never disobey their parents and seek out that which is forbidden.
Yup.
Never happens.
As we all know, making something forbidden means nobody will do it!
@@michah321 Im saying that because I specifically have trauma from the internet. I was never supervised on it. And I didn't end up well, im 16 now. most of the stuff that happend I cant talk about it, but I have a specific disliking towards the internet now, but cant really get off of it.
@@Nerobyrne Copy pasting my reply to person above.
Im saying that because I specifically have trauma from the internet. I was never supervised on it. And I didn't end up well, im 16 now. most of the stuff that happend I cant talk about it, but I have a specific disliking towards the internet now, but cant really get off of it.
I never used kik, i knew it was for perverts, weirdos, and chomos because the only people who asked "do you have kik?" were people from Omegle chatrooms...
thats good logic right there
same, except with the addition of those sponsored posts on instagram that keep slipping their way through the cracks advertising illicit drugs with simply a link to a kik chatroom
I think a lot of cheaters used it back in the day
@foraminutethere23 do you mean people committing adultery, or kids sharing answers during an exam?
@@CatFish107 adultery because it's semi anonymous. And if someone gets crazy or obsessed you delete the account and they won't know your name or number
This guy has "8000" images memorized & it gave him "power". I don't know where to go with this statement as it's so revolting to know those pics so intimately (esp if you are opposed to it) and to enjoy the "power" that it gave him! He enjoyed the power he had over pedophiles. I can't imagine anyone I know that could enjoy that kind of power/respect & if he could, that means he doesn't feel so negatively about what they were doing & requesting/sending. And if he was so repulsed by this content, why would it be so difficult to delete all the content? I would think most people would be happy putting the storage device in a blast furnace b/c it was so contaminated.
I don't think he only had 8000 images either & I didn't believe his 14yr old age limit. All of this really sounds more like a CYA b/c he's scared that law enforcement might be onto him. It was the mod who approached this video creator/channel owner (Jack) & it seems like he is panicking.
addiction. all i can guess
a "14 year age limit" will not cover anyones ass from law enforcement lmaoo.
but he might think so...
Yeah that’s not going to save him from the feds lol
When good men do nothing, evil will triumph.
I start the morning strong jesus christ
I haven’t even slept yet haha
@@littleskeleton7887same
Still trying to sleep too. West coaster.
Same
@@punkrockreverend2328it's 4 30 on the morning for me lol
Parler did moderate their content, and they also reported violent content to the FBI. The claim that Parler didn't moderate their content is completely untrue; their removal from AWS was a political move.
I couldn't help noticing when I was on Parler in a rather innocuous political commentary channel that there were people who would quietly join the room, wait until the moderators went offline for the night, and then the room would flood with people no legitimate users knew who would spend a few minutes posting racial slurs and the like, and then disappear, and the room would be shut down by the next morning, escalating for a few weeks until Parler itself was shut down as a "Threat to Our Democracy", which seemed less likely to me to be a coincidence, and more likely to be a coordinated false-flag operation that would use the opportunity to take screenshots of their own offensive content and report it to authorities to silence discussion and shut down the platform.
Whenever I would probe the "invaders" a little with in-jokes and jargon and so on that should be familiar to actual members of the group, it was clear that none of these guys had any idea what we were talking about, and were complete outsiders to our group pretending awkwardly to be "just like us, only more so!" by pretending to be a completely shallow and inaccurate stereotype of the group.
It's partly the channel moderators' fault for failing to keep the house clean overnight, and partly Parler's fault for leaving their software so easy to exploit, but there definitely seemed to me to be a coordinated effort to take advantage of those weaknesses for political purposes.
Parler was the victim of an aggressive and coordinated campaign to discredit the company and its software and users base, and wasn't sophisticated enough to prevent it from happening.
There were other problems besides - I don't remember the exact details now, but I seem to recall that after Parler was shut down, AWS (or someone with access to AWS) promptly doxed the user base to add injury to insult after Parler's representatives made the mistake a couple months before of bragging about Parler's privacy and security....
I think Parler's owners and staff really meant well and tried hard, but simply weren't cut out for the job they'd assumed for themselves once any hardball tactics were turned on them! Their security, privacy, infrastructure, moderation, and other resources such as budgeting, staffing, and talent pool must surely be dwarfed and amateurish compared to more serious, experienced, well-connected, politically useful, and shady platforms like Twitter, RUclips, or TikTok!
A few months ago when a bunch of big streamers were moving to Kik, I was kind of shocked. Turns out it's actually Kick. Unfortunate name.
That is unfortunate lol
I was completely confused, like "why are streamers moving to a kid's messaging app?" I didn't even know about the porn, that would have made things even more confusing, lol.
@@dubjeezeeI am pretty sure kick also has a porn problem
It's funny because Kik could have won a big payout suing Kick for trademark infringement, but medialab does absolutely nothing so they didn't even realize they could do that
1:28:49 just incase jack reads comments, I think why he is saying just flipping a switch and shutting it all down would be a bad thing to do is that it would be like bug bombing an apartment with roaches. Yea Roaches leave the area, but they just spread to everyone elses apartments, the pests need to be properly exterminated. With that in mind swap out the people involved with kik and the problem is clear.
Hey man, I’ve gotten to really love your channel the past few months. Glad to see you’re producing such raw content about matters that you don’t hear normally.
Keep up the great work.
You’re channel alone is the inspiration for my work.
I used to code extremely powerful channel protection systems for IRC. Everything he's talking about manipulating kick clients is what sounds it just sounds so much like a lot of the stuff I used to write bridge applications for. So I can totally relate to what that guy is talking about but on an even older chat protocol. Everything in the world is still based on TCPIP. Makes it easy.
Idk how you made it through this one man, would have been too much for me. After only like 30 minutes, I'm already starting to suspect that this guy belongs in prison!
Ya man. By minute 33 I am sure he belongs under the Prison. That went from sketchy to what the hell really fast.
@@nonamex6536 once he decided it was OK to go minimum 14yo and then said he spiralled much further beyond that point... that's under the prison for sure.
@@carnivorebear6582 I was thinking of that adult swim show super jail when you said that. But maybe super jail is to good for him lol.
@@carnivorebear6582 💯
@@carnivorebear6582 yeah, after hearing him say he collect and then distributed that shit. he needs to be tossed in jail. idc how many doxes he made lead to people getting arrested or not. Nothing will make me look past the fact he admits to collecting and distributing.
This actually illustrates pretty well that there's a fair bit of grooming going on between perpetrators
I think its very important to understand how people get sucked into these rings to prevent stuff like this from happening
having any kind of discourse about the topic that doesn't devolve into honestly disturbing fantasies of violence is impossible online
I think you should release the first guys phone number or IP… 🤷🏻♂️
He didn’t have a minimum age. At all. He’s a child porn distributor…
I'm not here to defend the guy or his actions, but Jack has to maintain journalistic integrity. The fact that he can get these people on his show and have them talk about these topics is arguably worth more than one dude receiving retribution. Spreading awareness of the issue is important and that is the role Jack plays in this scenario. If people start getting arrested after coming on the show, no one will come on the show anymore. There's been many criminals who have been willing to come on and talk with Jack... ultimately this guy is no different than any of the others. That make make you uncomfortable, but that's the facts.
@Benjamindaines I've got no problem with Jack keeping journalistic integrity in regards to any black hat hackers.
Having a policy of anonymity for all sources with the single exception for pdf files is not gonna lose him any contacts. These people need removing from society immediately, preferably permanently. Letting them loose is a massive liability. When his porn addiction gets to the point where no images/videos can satisfy, he'll leap at any chance of grooming a kid irl.
@@carnivorebear6582 How much good do you think him reporting one dude who trusted him is going to do?! to say that he needs to throw everything away because he found ONE DUDE is pathetic.
@@spazemfathemcazemmeleggymi272 if someone is a journalist with a policy of keeping sources secret unless they are involved in csam, well then its just the self admitted csam enjoyers/producers that need to worry isn't it? I don't really care if we don't get to hear sickos paint themselves as victims.
You can't have both, it's one or the other and if you can't understand that then I can't help you @@carnivorebear6582
Also, the porn collector guy, I feel like if he was truly remorseful for what he disseminated and the culture he helped to propagate that he'd have used that power(his influence & knowledge) he had for good once he was aware of how monstrous his actions were. I don't know how you compelled him to do this interview, maybe this is a way for him to cope with a guilty conscience, but if I were him this would need to be the jumping point. It's a lot to hope for, but I really do hope he works to give back to society as much as he's taken from it
I had a friend that did the trade stuff and got all my computers taken from my house and the fbi returned my gaming pc with nothing pluged in hes locked up on a life sentence and hope he enjoys prison as a pedo
What was it like discovering your so called friend was into that?
@@carnivorebear6582 really weird because you think you know someone and looking in hindsight you see all thies signs that you wished you picked up on like for instance he really liked league of legends and some mmo that let you play as a kid character and japanese cartoons Jesus Laporte from new York idk if his arrest is still public info or not
It really happens right under your nose if your freinds say some sus shit you gotta call it out
@@TheSmokinPotato there's a couple articles from New Zealand saying it was a joint US and NZ investigation. If that's him he was truly sickening, grooming a six year old...
I'm sure it was quite the shock we tend to give people the benefit of the doubt. Not that it's a certainty but the anime > lolicon > cp pathway is very real.
@@TheSmokinPotato wow that's insane, but it satisfies me knowing that justice was served though it must have been an extremely confusing and stressful situation initially with the fbi taking your stuff & getting you involved in the whole investigation, and it must be confusing initially when someone you trust is suddenly being characterized as such a monster, glad that everything worked out in the end for that whole situation though :)
Did he just say the spamming in chat rooms wasn't effective, then describe how effective spamming was at shutting down a chat room?
My wife was groomed by a guy on kik when we were in hughschool. I always had a sour feeling about the app, and now it's on your show.. so I suppose my intuition was right..
Did he meet her in person or something?
Every app amd website has groomers brother, sad fact of the internet
Are you that guy? Lol
@@plutoloco2378my mom got groomed by someone on kik when I was in highschool….. 😂😅
Easy to blame something else instead of holding your wife accountable. Ya we’re in High school so knew what she was doing. You just can’t come to terms with reality 😂
Thank you for your hard work. Your episodes are fascinating. Sounds to me like certain websites are allowed to continue as there's involvement by the law makers and judiciary. I say that because the law is not used across the board fairly, some aps can get away with it and others not, some people can get away with it and others not. My suspicion is that they're being allowed because of the involvement of the authorities.
Yeah, the legal system is rigged. As mentioned. 🎉
I'm not exactly sure of how this content was being distributed in chats, I wonder how much of it existed on their servers... Seems odd that they can take such a relaxed position towards it and continue to operate while, through incompetence, they are actively involved in hosting and distributing the content.
Ya don't say !! Headslap
I don't want to speculate too much, but I think the 'doctor' might be Scandinavian, possibly Danish, based on the way he pronounces and structures his sentences.
Sounds German to me .. just based on his pronunciation (I used to live in Germany)
Yeah seems like a Danish twang
French Canadian maybe? He said they are from canada.
I dunno he hasnt said "surry" in over in 30 minutes lmao >u
@@ownplz5632Oh, I didn't hear that. When was it said? Like, what time?
Huh... I've been on Kik for 2 or 3 years primarily for the NSFW stuff and honestly I've never encountered any CP, plus every time anyone said they were a minor they got immediately banned from the 18+ chatrooms I was in. Then again, I never sought any of that out so I guess that could just be that.
Oh yeah? Tell us more 🤨
@@habibishapur ok, though I'm not sure what exactly you'd like to know so AMA
@@habibishapurlmao suggesting anyone who watches porn on Kik is a pedophile?
I made an account and the first thing I seen was CP, and underage asking for step daddy. So I believe you full of shit
im not the kind of person who can stand listening to podcasts -- just happens to be the way my adhd works -- but as someone who was sexually targeted for 5 years of my childhood by various people on kik starting as early as 9 years old, thank you for talking about this, even if i cant listen. every time i see people speaking out about this kind of thing, it makes me feel a little less alone in what i went through. im 19 now and while i dont think ill ever fully be able to leave that experience behind me, every day lifts a little more off my shoulders. thank you again!
You are absolutely not alone. I was groomed constantly from age 9-16 on xat chatrooms and talked to my groomers over skype, telegram, kik (a little bit), and later discord before I was old enough to truly understand what actually happened to me. My partner was also groomed in similar ways as a kid through roleplay and hookup sex. There is healing for you, much love
That dude belongs 6’ under.
The line that has been crossed, referred to in this video, is the power to simply order a website be shut down without any reason given whatsoever. If anyone can flip a switch, then nobody is safe online anymore, criminal or not.
The only problem with these sickos, you close one platform, but then they move to another one..I used to chat to a pen pal back in the day on kik, a Frenchie..didn't even knew you could join rooms🤣🤦🏻♂️
You should interview the guy from NVCAP / PPsetx. He has a few hundred predators he caught and goes all over the states. The sheer level of skill he has would make you think he’s a cop. Like he gets confession that police/detectives spend 10’s of hours trying to get.
But yeah, his name is Alex. I feel like he’s the face of the whole to catch a predator styled content because who goes undercover as a trader and dude… guy just gotta check yourself. It’s almost scary how much he has evolved. Plenty of stories to tell.
You do realize that cops are generally incompetent?
Internet John Doe wouldn't have to do this kind of shit if the government actually cared for the quality of people lives, instead of controlling peoples lives.
I have never met a cop that wasn't low intelligence, I have meet cops with good and bad hearts, but I have never met a smart officer.
And the reason for this is so that Police won't question government when they are tasked to protect government from the people.
Comparing someone to a police officer is one of the most offenssive and cruel comparisons I can think of.
I bet you half these people jailed are because of these vigilantes
@@toria.strange.bastet oh nah I don’t care about vigilante groups, they ruin everything. They’re the reason predators get protection and are often released even as repeat offenders. It’s disgusting.
But as for the group I’m taking about, they aren’t a vigilante. They basically work in tandem with law enforcement by doing the investigation, getting a confession, and turning everything in so they had a head start. Then when court comes around, they make sure to appear to help with the cases.
Alex is legit. He has dedicated his life to saving kids.
@@toria.strange.bastet Alex and his group aren’t some vigilante though..
The great thing about this channel is that you are a Normie and we get to hear your perspective and reactions to things. With that said, you do a great job getting guests on talked about things most would never ever hear about, or understand the depravity of the cultures. You do a good job shining a light on the dark side of humanity so that we don’t forget, there is wickedness in the world.
Parenting. That's what you do. Parents are responsible for solving this "problem."
Before the internet, parents told their kids to watch out for perverts.
Why did we ever get the idea to stop doing this?
Telling kids stranger danger didn’t stop kidnapping. I agree though that unregulated internet access isn’t good for children
Most of the CP networks seem to have the child's parents involved. Maybe parents should just stop sexually abusing their kids too.
sad to see internet pedo is still alive and well. years ago i used to report kid porn whenever i found it, but after awhile, i found i was reporting the same sites over and over for a few years and the powers that be never did a damn thing to remove the content or shut down the sites. point being, it's too easy to mod around the safeguards. aka: locks are only to keep honest people honest. what good is it to report bad behavior if law enforcement won't do anything about it?
It’s because they’re bait sites to catch them. They won’t remove them in order to keep catching
The biggest issue with simply shutting down an app or a website is that it doesn't stop anything, it only disrupts it. So long as the people involved remain free, they'll simply find or create another system. The only way to stop it is to remove the players. I agree that investigators time is better spent using the systems their targets are already using to gather evidence, information, and locations of these people. They need to be held accountable, not just shooed away like houseflies.
Regardless, this is something kids have easy access to, unlike the dark web. Honestly, kik and Instagram both permit this kind of activity to the point they're fostering am environment that kids enter into unaware and that's unacceptable. It's one thing if they actually try to combat it, these are clearly companies that profit off of it.
There’s a special place in hell for this freak.
‘Doc’ belongs in jail and worse!!!
‘Ummm… 14… I think…’
hell isn't real dumby
At the very least it is good to know what to avoid. That is a luxury my parents didn't have when I was young, they would just say don't talk to strangers, which at the time was kind of like mr mackey saying drugs are bad over and over again.
28:16 On the mainstream surface web, the World Wide Web, I recall a term that was used is "Riding The Spider", that surfing the web for obscure information is like a drug. I am one of the addicts. This is perhaps one of the many reasons censorship/shadow banning comments is practiced on major tech platforms. Information and links can lead to rabbit holes, etc.
100%
That's exactly what's happening. If you're like me then you try to expose those links and such information. I'm often censored, because I'm pointing out something that goes against the narrative.
@@chronometer9931 You bet, and its sooo obvious what's happening with the WWW; Google, Wikipedia, and Reddit with Meta are basically the entire surface web at this point and the arbiters of information and decide what will trend, and at what time it will trend etc.
Jack's rant at the end is just wrong.
If someone wants the entire internet to be populated exclusively by large corporations, then by all means attack section 230. If all of us small special-interest web site runners, who have day jobs and can't afford an army of moderators, can go to prison because of something said in a comment section, or on a forum, then only big corporate sites will be left. Those of us who have to run small sites from our homes will be done.
I was in school when kik first came out and it was nothing more then an innocent messaging app so this is beyond disturbing to hear.
There are way too many platforms where this same things happen, I remember at least five that have zero moderation and are way too hard to take down a post, and that as long as I know, have not been taken down. It's at least 20 counting those that already got taken down or at least got some moderation (example: TikTok, there was a time when the moderation was... loose to say the least)
Dear FBI agent. I really do not know how this video got on my recommendations. But I listened it for educational purposes as my player was on autoplay and I was gaming thru most of the video. Thanks for understanding.
Difficult subject to think about, but thank you for doing so Jack - I'm glad I grew u before the internet did! Must be so hard for parents these days.....
Very impressed by the quality of your work. Keep it up.
I applaud your efforts!
Your actually going after the scumbags.
And not just baiting exclusively noobs in India running a smalltime Mcafee scam like some well celebrated people do.
I think deep down we all know that the people who lord over us are ok with csam. Otherwise it would be gone.
If anything they use it as a sort of blackmail initiation ritual, it gets them into the club but can be used against them just as easily
I used to think this sort of stuff was Schizo af but Epstein demonstrates it was happening at the highest levels. Same with Jimmy Saville. And lord knows what kind of depraved stuff happens in Hollywood. Plenty of rumors trickle out but that’s just the tip of the iceberg
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Its true, if the uk can take down every photo of Jon Venables as an adult then they can easily combat CP
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Thank you so much for making this video. Seriously. One more thing I must say is that you’ll see this kind of exploitation on the livestream portion of the app itself. It’ll be a stream like “mom and daughter” and say “to text my daughter” then when you look up their name you see very disturbing images without even texting them. It’s only gonna get worse if we don’t do something. There’s so much more I wanna say… I’m so disgusted that this app can continue to exist like this and I hope and pray to god every day it will end
Man, trading porn of all kinds online have been around since back in the AOL Dialup days and BBSes. if there's a way to share porn, people have been doing it.
It is 100% just enough to cover themselves in courts. Its not negligence, its intentional csam data harvesting.
Unfortunately at this point most people just need to take justice into their own hands for taking the stuff down. It was a problem on snapchat too not too long ago bots kept messaging around trying to sell it.
One of the first episodes I didn't want to listen to. "Doc" is a pedo end of story.. he laughs and glorifies his bs and I think it's a little inappropriate to be giving him a platform to tell his predator fairly tales.
You mention WeChat, which in China is more or less the ultimate spy app. Maybe an idea for an episode?
KiK sounds like old aol chat room days lol
*driving to my 9-5*
*sees Jack uploaded*
*reads the title*
Me: well good morning to you too
Wow jack.... crazy episode.. I think the doc guy you talked to is not telling you everything he knows....
Jack is protecting him for being a pedophile essentially....
Will you ever do a story on the time the FBI ran a site that distributed similar content? Its insane how far they have to go to HAVE A CHANCE at catching or prosecuting these type of scum.
They broke the exact same laws and didn't get arrested for it, that's not ethical, we all have the same laws or there is no law at all
Yea they can sell illegal guns, drugs, illegal porn, solicit sex for money and all the rest of the shit the people they are going after do. Who's really the bad guys?
I had a guy I went school with who got caught on Kik amongst other sites. Never touched anyone until he got arrested for images. Kind of true what he said - he might as well do something than limit himself to being hands-off because people want to kill him no matter what. I hate the guy but it is so difficult to get people done for just saying things.
Mom, new Darknet Diaries video
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Gross
Just breaks my heart, yes, this was hard to handle... sigh... not sure why kick hasn't been held accountable
Who’s trading porn pics in 2023?? It’s free and everywhere online. That’s why I like android because you can hack apps and do all kinds of stuff.
This story takes place circa early 2010's. Although, I wouldn't doubt it still exists for "exclusive" content (celebrities, politicians, kids, etc.)
as a victim of child abuse, and the internets amplification of that, i MUST say, if you have kids WATCH what they do! No more parking your kid in front of an ipad so you can have a break while they get groomed! please keep your kids safe, i cant keep watching but i hope you all support this video, people must know how to protect their children.❤
You see the thing with Parler is that it did moderate illegal content - strictly. It however did not care about political speech, including speech apple, google or their clients disagreed with. Gotta have priorities, huh? :v
AWESOME VIDEOS MY FRIEND! Well done and keep up the good work in opening everyone’s eyes. God bless you and stay safe ❤
This was originally recorded in 2021 and there's been essentially no change on Kik, YikYak, or Whisper... 😮💨
Of course. That's what Media Lab does: keep the servers running, fire the staff, and let the money roll in. It's just good capitalism.
god that's disgusting
Well the cops and fbi knows where the CP people are, so every now and then they take a few of them down. I guess it's convenient to have them all in the same chat rooms.
holy hell, what a start to my day at work at 6 in the morning
Man this reminds me of the old IRC days, no name script and other fun modded irc clients eggdrop bots and the likes.
1:04:00 sounds like their more worried about right wing people then child porn. Imagine that
Yeah he conveniently left out the part where AWS took the completely unprecedented step of dropping Parler without notice. THAT's what actually killed them, and it should be a wakeup to anyone with hosting there.
@@joez.2794 it should be a wakeup to nzs with hosting there
@@thewhitefalcon8539 What tf is "nzs?" I don't know what that is.
@@joez.2794 The bad guys from world war 2.
@@thewhitefalcon8539 Oh. I did nazi that coming.
Private firearms sales are not illegal, however knowingly selling to a prohibited person is illegal. There are no legal requirements for private sellers to perform a background check on purchasers. Armslist is not the equivalent of silk road.
i know old post but years ago i used arms list for almost all my gunsales because in teh state i use dit all you needed was an ID and we would even add a bill of sale
The question needs to be asked, if Media Lab have appears to have all but abandoned the Kik app, then would they seriously do anything if Apple and Google just removed them. Would it be in their interests to launch a legal challenge? Personally, I’d bet not.
I think he was saying more of they abandoned it in terms of updating anything… the way I took it is they are basically using it to print money while not having to do “upkeep/maintenance” they are probably making millions off an app they don’t even have to do anything to sustain
Just looked it up….. they have made 1billion off it so far so I’m guessing they would fight back
Deeply frustrating to know that "Doc" is in my country and I can't do anything about it. I can tell from his accent that he's Danish (and *probably* not from the Copenhagen area, though it may be possible). But there are +6 million people in this country so I have no way way to track him down. He could be my fucking neighbor. Horrifying.
You're missing a step during the phishing, you should blackmail the chomos, if you added trusted clan members who could go irl and blackmail them, then you can start a bounty business. Most biker gangs would be thrilled to get a list of chomos who they could blackmail into turning themselves in. Outsourcing is the best way to leverage the market.
chomos?
Fighting crime with crime, what could possibly go wrong?
@@diamondsprincechild molestation charge = chomo. Its just slang
they're not gonna blackmail them to turn themselves in they're gonna extort them for money.
Under section 230 if you are unable to remove offensive material or even setup basic safeguards you would be fined or criminally liable. However no one cares that CP is on this app your kids are using.
Google & Apple when there's actual CP on an active app: I sleep.
Google & Apple when an independently operated social media app caters to right-wing sentiments vs. the majority of others: *REAL SHIT*
Seriously, the fact that both conglomerates are more concerned with political discussion on a smaller social media app versus active pedo activity on an app that is STILL on THEIR digital marketplace is dumbfounding.
I had to stop half way because i started feeling sick. Im a mum and the idea that my child might end up on a platform that allows this is terrifying.
Ill finish the episode at some point because i need to make sure when my child is older they are safe.
the best thing you can possibly do is make sure that your kid knows that if something/someone online makes them feel uncomfortable/weird, they can come tell you and you're not going to get all upset at them for being honest (and by the sounds of your comment, I have little doubt you'll do exactly that!). Kids are *_going_* to get themselves into bad situations, but knowing that mom is always in your corner makes a huuuuuge difference :)
every platform allows this...
42:58 One thing that *NEEDS* to me noted is that whenever someone looks at that image/video for sexual reasons, that minor is being *ABUSED* all over again by that viewer.
TRT is your friend
Jack went soft on the doc guy for sure, and I understand why: for one, becoming aggressive might have made the guy run with his tail between his legs and block Jack, and second, most people in this world deserve the benefit of the doubt and the chance to change for the better. I do hope that what he said is true, that he deleted everything, and that he's not repeating the same mistakes somewhere else. Still, what he did is absolutely illegal in the US, and he should suffer the consequences accordingly.
Just knowing about this, my heart goes out to the victims of abuse and harassment. I've heard and read accounts of adults who were victims of CP in their childhood... And god, everything they go through is absolutely heart wrenching.
I was just hoping for one of your videos to go with my bagel, so perfect timing thanks!
Personally this would put me off my food.
Careful you don’t barf
I didn't even read the thumbnail before I clicked, but it is a show about the dark web so you have to expect it. I really don't care for all these pervert episodes lately with the trannies and such, I wish he'd stick to technically difficult attacks and the like. The nintendo one was good. I'd love to hear him do lake city quiet pills.
How long do you need to eat a bagel?
So Doc's gonna get arrested by the end of this ep, right? right?
That would hurt his journalistic integrity, sadly. He can't interview criminals if they think he's going to tell the police. It's messed up, but also, who knows if there is even any proof he did this in the past.
If someone runs an advertising campaign exposing this side of the application, and asking people who are against it (I hope it's the vast majority) to boycott the application, wouldn't that force those responsible to take some action?
the action that would be taken would probably be a cease and desist or a lawsuit against that person
Someone would have to pay for it, also kik prob wouldn't like if you take away their money factory
I fell asleep, thanks for the nap. Something I pickup on is this notion of trading. That isn't new. At the beginning of the 90s trading in chat rooms was done on AOL with the dial up service. They traded by gathering in chat rooms then start an email chain.
How come these 'new' episodes are two years or more old?
they've been recorded and posted to his website & on streaming services like spotify for a long time, sometimes years, but it's only recently that they're being formatted for youtube visually, and in order to maintain & grow a youtube audience, they're being uploaded on a regular/semi-regular schedule here
"i dont think anyone should just flip a switch and end things"
ill flip the fucking switch bro, thats disgusting.
MR JACK. I have CRUSH! every podcast episode and I'm hungry for so much more. Did this in all of 3 months 😊
Thanks for your effort, great reporting. Keep things flowing.
Recently stumbled upon your channel and it's like a hidden treasure. So many stories to tell that aren't creepypastas or reddit let's not meet.. but
Dawg this story here lol it's like these dudes and chat warrior spammer dudes are new Internet age version of Napoleon dynamites uncle who lets everyone he meets know he used to throw the football a mile and he was the man lol
"Back in my day of the wild west of the internet skreets I'd spam the 💩 out of sicko diddlers and clap that chat trap from a mile out."
Just what I needed to listen to in the AM
If you have to look up the age of the girls on your pictures to make sure they're legal, then there's something wrong with you buddy 31:30