@@zaccheus It still gave me general principle of how it's done. As a new climber, I have never seen either system in action before. So this could be helpful in a "oh shit" moment 😅
That's absolutely true. If I don't I will set a drt line for them. That can be done on the rescue leg of the srt system both a number of different attachments or in another union all together.
Put your butterfly knot up a little higher so you can pull down with your weight easier to release the base anchor. You can also throw on a micro pulley on the biner attached to the butterfly for a smoother descent.
@@zaccheus I'm not sure they make gear for husky guys like me. Ha! I would try it in my backyard. Got a few trees my neighbor wants down. Can't really drop them. These conifers need taken down in pieces.
@Bissell Maple Farm Haha, you can't get away that easy. I've got a friend who is probably approaching 285lb with gear and he gets up in the trees no problem
@@zaccheus I would have thought you would have had your flip line attached to your rescuer as well as his around you.. that way if you had a laceration or a broken bone You would have been more stable.. especially if it was a neck injury.. Just my two cents 😁😁😁
Yes, my body weight plus the friction in the union above. With gear and everything, joel was about 50 lb heavier and I had no trouble staying on the ground. It's the same principles that rock climbers use
@Dezow That sounds pretty cool. There are a bunch of variations of base anchors out there for sure. It's just important maintain the principles of being able to hold the climber being rescued while your hands are off of the system.
@Luc Fournier Ohhh, gotcha it just looked like a lot of the same principles in design. Typically I think we try to keep the injured climber on their own system, but I supposed there is always potential for their climbing system to be damaged. In the canopy anchor system I showed here, it's important to keep the injured climbers weight on their side of the system in oder to keep the rescuer aloft.
If I was gonna do it again, I would just avoid using live weight. It was really good to take the principles I knew and put them into action. I feel more prepared to reduce someone if I ever have to.
Haha, thanks. I think the only thing we have could have done better would have been practicing closer to the ground rather than at a height that could have been dangerous if something went wrong.
Lowering an incapacitated climber seems like it would be worse than a throw ball. Which everyone I'm sure has had grief getting back to the ground. Just let the climber run through any obstruction canopy I guess 🤣
Hahaha, I think you're right. I'm really not a fan of lowerable base anchors for that reason. I do my best to move on to a canopy anchor as soon as possible
I climb alone mostly, but I always put an alpine butterfly near the ground before my base anchor so a potential rescue could clip in there and lower me.
Not a bad idea, the same theory would apply to a canopy anchor with a rescue line like we had. Though I don't know if rescue personel who aren't tree climbers would climb on an unrated anchor
You should look up a simul-rappel in rock climbing and the dangers with it. If he put you on a branch and lessened your weight there is potential for him to fall with enough inertia to keep pulling you upward especially if he was substantially heavier than you. Luckily the safety lanyard would catch but it would be awkward and potentially sketchy. I guess the ultimate safe way would be for the rescuer to throw a prusik on your line and clip it in to an alpine on the retrieval side. Then no potential for an unintentional descent. I like the video though!
I did look it up, and I think it's important to recognize that there is a substantial difference in the friction coefficient of a rock climbing anchor and the tree anchor we had in this video. However, the prusik method you mentioned would be a quick way to make the scenario safer for sure.
Fun day! A couple days ago we were going over basic climbing stuff with my buddies. For the basal anchor I have typically just wrapped the rope around the tree and did a follow through figure 8, and if I needed to be rescued I planned that someone could tie into it and lower… but that would suppose someone would know what to do lol. I actually did a basal anchor when I was showing it the other day by using a separate section of short climbing rope I had to make the girth hitch anchor, made a 8 on q bight, then clipped in a Petzl Rig, and locked it off with a mule hitch(or half hitch then an overhand on the bight) and left the rest of the rope in the bag with a double overhand in the end of it for a safety. That was a really easy set up where it would take just seconds to untie the rig and be lowering. Another scenario I just now thought about when you mentioned the portawrap, you could easily use the porta wrap for it and just set a prussik on the rope above the portawrap and connect it to the anchor or top part of the portawrap, and as you lower, you would just need to tend the prussik to make sure it doesn’t lock out.
Another thing that I’m going to try to implement, is once in a tree since I typically convert over to a canopy anchor most of the time, just setting a static line up in the tree that’s ready to go if needed. It would not take barely any extra time and would make a rescue scenario a night and day difference, especially if the rescue crew wasn’t trained in setting tree anchors and making access in that environment. EWPs can’t get everywhere haha . I got a lot of ideas from a tree rescue book I read recently haha
Those are all great thoughts. Setting a totally separate system is always a good idea if there are any doubts about the integrity of anything. I don't know if most rescue personal will be willing to use an unrated anchor, but obviously any tree climber would feel good about it. The thought about the prusik and the porta wrap is on point! That would work for sure, though I feel that under trained people might get tempted to skip that step in the case of an emergency 🤷♂️ I typically switch to a canopy anchor with a rescue line if there aren't appropriately trained folks onsite.
Great video. Ive been wondering how a rescue is performed.
Ah, I wouldn't suggest using this as a guide 😅 there are classes if you'd like to see how it's properly done
@@zaccheus It still gave me general principle of how it's done. As a new climber, I have never seen either system in action before. So this could be helpful in a "oh shit" moment 😅
You don’t know unless you do it. Good to know.
That was my thought too. I've heard and seen. Only thing left was to try
ASSUMING you have a 2nd SRT equipment climber
That's absolutely true. If I don't I will set a drt line for them. That can be done on the rescue leg of the srt system both a number of different attachments or in another union all together.
Put your butterfly knot up a little higher so you can pull down with your weight easier to release the base anchor. You can also throw on a micro pulley on the biner attached to the butterfly for a smoother descent.
Ah, thats an excellent point.
If its a rescue, cut the damned thing after clipping in if there's any issues
That was a really nice change of pace for videos, 👍👍 keep it man I love learning from you
I'm glad to hear that. We enjoyed filming it. Glad it was valuable information for you!
Climbers are a different breed. I will live vicariously through you guys.
Lol 😂
You say the word and I'll bring my gear and let you give it a try. You might like it 🤷♂️😂😂😂
@@zaccheus I'm not sure they make gear for husky guys like me. Ha! I would try it in my backyard. Got a few trees my neighbor wants down. Can't really drop them. These conifers need taken down in pieces.
@Bissell Maple Farm Haha, you can't get away that easy. I've got a friend who is probably approaching 285lb with gear and he gets up in the trees no problem
@@zaccheus I’m shy of 400lbs without gear😮 I still get up there. Mainly palms and pines. The trees and gear are stronger than we think
awesome video like always! This is Frank with OHIOCAT
Hey Frank! I definitely recognize your name here. It was a pleasure to meet you. Let me know if you come across any good rec climb trees 😎
@@zaccheus yes same
exactly the video i was hoping to see after the last one. definitely alot to think about.
Glad to hear it!
@@zaccheus keep up the good work.
Great job, Loved it .I need to practice this!
That'd be a good idea. We will have to give it a try when the weather is nice some time.
To me that looked perfect...a few issues But in the life or death situation You got the climber down safely and the same as yourself...👍👍
Thanks! What do you think we could improve on? I'm always interested in getting better
@@zaccheus I would have thought you would have had your flip line attached to your rescuer as well as his around you.. that way if you had a laceration or a broken bone You would have been more stable.. especially if it was a neck injury.. Just my two cents 😁😁😁
@Carlo Bernardi That's a good thought, thank you for sharing! I think I've seen it done that way before and it is surely the better way to go.
So Zach when you were lowing him down that was just your body weight holding him correct as you lowered him down once you took the bass anchor off
Yes, my body weight plus the friction in the union above. With gear and everything, joel was about 50 lb heavier and I had no trouble staying on the ground. It's the same principles that rock climbers use
@@zaccheus I see that's pretty cool definitely buddy I like that technique
@@br-dj2ti Thanks, Bill. It's just something someone else taught me 🤷♂️
This both made me laugh and hold breath lol
Hahah, who were you afraid was gonna kill who? 🤣
I have a mad rock with ears it like a glorified figure 8 I use as a base anchor
It allows me to be lowered down
@Dezow That sounds pretty cool. There are a bunch of variations of base anchors out there for sure. It's just important maintain the principles of being able to hold the climber being rescued while your hands are off of the system.
great stuff! hava à look at isc d4
I looked it up, it looks like like a gri gri. Looks like it's handy for that kind of climbing
@@zaccheus the d4 can descend 2 men on a rope the grigri is to belay à rock climber
@Luc Fournier Ohhh, gotcha it just looked like a lot of the same principles in design. Typically I think we try to keep the injured climber on their own system, but I supposed there is always potential for their climbing system to be damaged. In the canopy anchor system I showed here, it's important to keep the injured climbers weight on their side of the system in oder to keep the rescuer aloft.
@@zaccheus yes lots of option to rescue à climber even if he is cut in half!🤣
Your wives: "You mean you've never tested your rescue plan? " lol
What state are you guys in?
Lol this video actually brought up some tension there 😅 We are in Canton, Ohio
What was bad about it? What lessons did you learn? What are the positive and negatives of the experience gained. Great video tho!
If I was gonna do it again, I would just avoid using live weight. It was really good to take the principles I knew and put them into action. I feel more prepared to reduce someone if I ever have to.
That was cool as hell I love it I didn't see nothing wrong with it
Haha, thanks. I think the only thing we have could have done better would have been practicing closer to the ground rather than at a height that could have been dangerous if something went wrong.
Haha how weird was literally struggling to find a video covering this very topic the past few days. Thanks to you man. Nice one.
Lol, glad that worked out good 😂
Yea massively helpful to see both techniques here and with real people vs dummy. Great job great video.
@The Green Revival Thanks man, tree safe!
Looks like a fun day
Indeed it was
Beautiful!!!!! Mate 🤠👌🤙🤙Nice 😊
Thanks Leonard!
Wow that's awesome. I like your experimental inquisitive mindset.
Thanks Brandon!
yoooo my buddy and i just did all of this you did with ur buddy hahaha i love it
Hahah that's great! It was really good practice and I learned a lot from it.
Lowering an incapacitated climber seems like it would be worse than a throw ball. Which everyone I'm sure has had grief getting back to the ground. Just let the climber run through any obstruction canopy I guess 🤣
Hahaha, I think you're right. I'm really not a fan of lowerable base anchors for that reason. I do my best to move on to a canopy anchor as soon as possible
I climb alone mostly, but I always put an alpine butterfly near the ground before my base anchor so a potential rescue could clip in there and lower me.
Not a bad idea, the same theory would apply to a canopy anchor with a rescue line like we had. Though I don't know if rescue personel who aren't tree climbers would climb on an unrated anchor
@@zaccheus wouldn't matter to me if it was a plumber... Just tie in to that loop and lower me... And hurry. Smiling...
@@trimbaker1893 lol, as long as you're not tied in, that'll work
@@zaccheus laughing, buzzards gotta eat too....
You should look up a simul-rappel in rock climbing and the dangers with it. If he put you on a branch and lessened your weight there is potential for him to fall with enough inertia to keep pulling you upward especially if he was substantially heavier than you. Luckily the safety lanyard would catch but it would be awkward and potentially sketchy. I guess the ultimate safe way would be for the rescuer to throw a prusik on your line and clip it in to an alpine on the retrieval side. Then no potential for an unintentional descent. I like the video though!
I did look it up, and I think it's important to recognize that there is a substantial difference in the friction coefficient of a rock climbing anchor and the tree anchor we had in this video. However, the prusik method you mentioned would be a quick way to make the scenario safer for sure.
Sweet bud
Great job guys. Very important to practice this stuff.
Thanks Bob!
Thank you for sharing. It looked like y’all had a great time.
No problem. We certainly did! Thanks for the support Geoffrey!
Fun day! A couple days ago we were going over basic climbing stuff with my buddies. For the basal anchor I have typically just wrapped the rope around the tree and did a follow through figure 8, and if I needed to be rescued I planned that someone could tie into it and lower… but that would suppose someone would know what to do lol. I actually did a basal anchor when I was showing it the other day by using a separate section of short climbing rope I had to make the girth hitch anchor, made a 8 on q bight, then clipped in a Petzl Rig, and locked it off with a mule hitch(or half hitch then an overhand on the bight) and left the rest of the rope in the bag with a double overhand in the end of it for a safety. That was a really easy set up where it would take just seconds to untie the rig and be lowering. Another scenario I just now thought about when you mentioned the portawrap, you could easily use the porta wrap for it and just set a prussik on the rope above the portawrap and connect it to the anchor or top part of the portawrap, and as you lower, you would just need to tend the prussik to make sure it doesn’t lock out.
Another thing that I’m going to try to implement, is once in a tree since I typically convert over to a canopy anchor most of the time, just setting a static line up in the tree that’s ready to go if needed. It would not take barely any extra time and would make a rescue scenario a night and day difference, especially if the rescue crew wasn’t trained in setting tree anchors and making access in that environment. EWPs can’t get everywhere haha . I got a lot of ideas from a tree rescue book I read recently haha
Those are all great thoughts. Setting a totally separate system is always a good idea if there are any doubts about the integrity of anything. I don't know if most rescue personal will be willing to use an unrated anchor, but obviously any tree climber would feel good about it.
The thought about the prusik and the porta wrap is on point! That would work for sure, though I feel that under trained people might get tempted to skip that step in the case of an emergency 🤷♂️ I typically switch to a canopy anchor with a rescue line if there aren't appropriately trained folks onsite.