What If We Did This Full Time
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Today we find out what it would be really like if we decided to become a full time firewood producer
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I have been self employed all my life, now 62. You stated your back was sore early in the afternoon which is normal but it will get worse as the years go by. Unless your day job makes you unhappy keep it. Your health is not guaranteed. Good video and good luck to you.
Took me 2 seconds from the time you mentioned the nozzles to hit the link and order. We appreciates it. 👍👍
I bet neighbor Doug would be a good part time employee to give a couple hands and one eye! 😜👐
You are a philosopher and a poet, and "you didnt even know it"!
This is a perfect example of one of my wife's favorite sayings: "Not every dumb hobby you have has to turn into a business. Can't you just do it for fun?"
For us Entrepreneuers making money as our own boss is the fun part
I switched my gas and diesel cans over to the Ez-Flow nozzles years ago. It’s like night and day. I’m a one man show and do logging and firewood full-time. It’s a physically hard business, but it keeps you in shape and your body adapts to it. With good business records, you get a good number of tax deductions. Weather days are a good thing as I can always try to catch up on repairs and maintenance of equipment. I try to set aside a few hours a week, typically in the evening or early morning to catch-up on administrative tasks. One of the main things is continuously improving your efficiency, so you can increase output and production time.
That looks like a lot of work Adam. I think I'll stick with my day job!
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I see what you did there.
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Ed from Chicago 🙂
I love your videos Adam. They are always throught out well and you present a different pragmatic perspective about reality of your world. The best aspect is that you never "tell" people what to do or what's best to do. You present detail facts and trust your viewers to make their own decisions. Well done! One other detail about working, earning money and deciding what you do (coming from a 35 years in my profession and now retired), you better enjoy it or you have no longvity and happiness doing it. I never looked back and loved all of it!
Adam, another thing to consider is most that do self employment options, do not work a traditional 8 hour day. Most days are longer, but as you said, some days you are able to take off completely. Also, weekends are usually part of it too.
In addition to those spouts, I use a Terapump electric fuel transfer pump on my 5g tanks. Works like a champ, runs on 4 AA batteries. As long as you pull the pump out after you use it and don't let is sit in the gas the pump stays good. I've had mine for over a year without issue. Biggest advantages: you don't have to hold the tank while you're fueling, at 2gpm it moves the fuel quickly, and the auto-shut off works really well on most things if you get the nozzle deep in.
Some very valid points in this video, Adam. The one thing I didn't hear you say. When you're making firewood for yourself, you can enjoy the fact you're saving yourself money on utilities, etc, and there's an end in sight. Cut and stack whatever you need, and then head to the shop and play. When you're looking at making firewood and selling it, or going hungry... it loses it's appeal.
Thanks Adam! A true and honest perspective on making firewood. No doubt some of your watchers will benefit from your examples and forthrightness! Blessings for the New Year! Stay well and stay safe!
35 year landscape contractor here - do not forget maintenance/preventative maintenance/cleaning of all your equipment. We figure a whopping 8-10% of our total labor hours are for maintaining our “stuff”. That doesn’t include the costs for parts, oil, fuel, filters and soaps/waxes
I like how you spell it all out and provide clear math on starting a firewood business. I think some people go into the business without a good business case and fail. Nice work thank you
I spent 15 years working a day job with some side hustles. Then I spent 15 years working for myself. Then I spent 19 years working a full time day job. I truly enjoyed working for myself, but the uncertainity, health insurance, administrative tasks, etc. made it no fun. It was much nicer to go to work, put in a full day's work that I was proud of, contribute what I was able to, and go home with a paycheck and know that someone else was taking care of things that I wasn't good at and didn't really like doing.
Now I'm retired and do what I want to do. (Or what my wife tells me I want to do, LOL)
I agree with everything you said Adam. Keep it small or go big.
I'm 69 and grew up in a family business. The what if's, is most important part to consider.
Your retirement is a big part. Will you be able? How will your finances be after retirement?
Firewood can become unfun really fast.
Happy 2023.
Adam, another great video.
One thing you didn’t mention in the modeling for going full time with firewood is how much do you think RUclips income will contribute.
My advise on this move (this assumes that your wife is working full time also)
Keep working another 2-3 years to prepare for the transition.
During that time, contribute the max to both your and your wife’s 401K.
Also max out both Roth IRAs.
Use your RUclips income to help do that.
Switch to your wife’s health plan to see if it will suffice when you transition. Health insurance is always a big cost factor.
If you can do that, you won’t have to contribute another penny. Just let that money compound.
You’ll thank me big time in 30 years.
If you don’t take care of the retirement now, most likely it will be first thing you ignore in future lean years.
But if the wife is working who will take care of the kids?
I wish I had known this say even forty years ago. I am a crippled 73 years man who did well working for myself, the bookkeeper and all. Had twenty employees so I did well enough to sell that business that is still in business. point is I needed better insurance and a 401 like you mentioned. Right now most of what you speak about is a foreign language to me. Please keep helping these younger men who are gaining in their careers
Great information Adam. Well done. You forgot to factor how much your lunch cost.
Adam, you are showing an example of my saying that the government is broken. The issue with the fill spout on fuel cans should not be something that the government should be legislating. I would suggest that the politicians should be more interested in Terrorist entering our country through our southern border and Immigration reform. Follow closely with being energy secure. The government is pushing for wider use of electric use but our power grid needed to be upgraded fifty years ago. ☹
I think doing both is a great way to balance financial security with the love of the outdoors, and staying physically healthy too. A covered work area would be nice.
That’s what I was thinking, a big pole shed !
Pole shed. Next video.
That was a great video Adam. I would bet that the vast majority of folks cutting and selling firewood have no idea of their cost of doing it. If you do it as a side hustle you make a few bucks to enjoy, but the real payback is the joy of doing it… I find it relaxing and therapeutic and you can’t place a dollar value on that. Of course if if your firewood gig provides the content for a lucrative RUclips channel, that is another issue!
I work a production job because it pays better, and at the end of the shift I'm done. If you work for yourself that's not always the case. If you can make enough money to be happy doing what you you love , that is the ultimate win.
I agree! Log splitting is a butt kicker. Better as a hobby or second income!
Todd, I have been "waiting for this moment" for a few years!
Adam has all the toys to "give the full time firewood business a shot", but just can't pull the trigger.
I dont think he should do it. Just keep the Axis, and eliminate the 365. He has never had any significant inventory...to be serious about a firewood business.
Build a cover over your processing area. Just a roof on some pillars to shelter from the sun and rain and let the cross breaze cool you in the hot summer days.
I know from an older video how much Mike Morgan already cost you but you had better follow his example and get more stone to stay out of the mud. Nice to see your hard work.
Your independence is also worth a few bucks in the world. Your boy will be a big help stacking and you will teach him great life skills in the wood yard. If you were to leave your job. You are in high demand, you can always get another job. You could even go part-time, perhaps. Your body can and will adapt. I would factor this in. If there was no RUclips, would this even be considered?? And if you tube were to grow for you, you can probably count on bigger sponsors showing off their products on your channel. Every entrepreneur takes risks. And you are young enough to change now and change again in a few years if you are not satisfied. And I would also be willing to bet most of your customers won't mind paying you in cash for your pocket 😉. Good luck and I appreciate the work you put into this channel for us all to enjoy.
I the guy that rather have a sore back than a paper cut, could never be cooped up, when i had the factory jobs i had a side hustle working out side ( tree work oil industry farming etc) . Not saying your desk job is bad or anything as long as you like it and the big toys you have to help you that your day job helps you get. As long as at the end of the day your happy and healthy in whatever you do in life , and your family is happy and healthy it’s all good. Blessings.
Great video and good explanation on the break down of costs. Most people don’t consider all these things. Great hobby and side gig but a hard way to make a living and provide for your family. Rewarding but tough 👍🏻
Great video! very impressive! 2.5 cords of wood in 1 day! we reall enjoy doing it . its not for the money. Like you said its for self sufficiency and maybe break even on the costs.
Hey Adam, thanks for the video - I always enjoy watching these. I'm an HR Professional and enjoy doing firewood and other outdoor projects - on a smaller scale than you are doing. I started a small business this year and it was a real eye opener...financially and physically. Anyways, it sounds like you have the perfect mix with firewood as more of a side business. Have a safe and healthy 2023 and thanks again for your videos!
Joe (Ohio Wood Burner) I believe indicated... if he would do it all over again, would just/mainly do bundles.
At $5 per bundle, for .75 cubic feet per bundle, for 100 full cords of wood, your gross income would be $85k. ($5 x 170 bundles per cord x 100 cords = $85,000).
At $8 per bundle, for 1 cubic feet per bundle, for 100 full cords, your gross income would be $102k. ($8 x 128 bundles per cord x 100 cords = $102,000).
128 bundles per cord x 100 cords = 12,800 bundles x 5 minutes per bundle =
64,000 minutes / 52 weeks =
1230 minutes per week / 60 minutes =
20 hours work per week to bundle 100 full cords.
Why process 250 cords per year, with all that work, if you can make more $ by doing bundles in your nice warm garage with a bundling machine?
You dont need an excavator for loading logs to the live deck, your tractor with a grapple will handle this!
So, you can reduce your excavator expenses and depreciation from your formula.
Sell your excavator, unless you originally paid cash for it? The same could be said about your saw mill! How much do you really use it anyway?
Your channel has become an "almost duplicate" of: "Outdoors With The Morgans", which doesnt really interest me because it is not realistic/achievable for 99+% of all people that watch it.
I like your use of IBC totes. It reduces much of the bullwork. I wouldnt recommend wood service logs. It is "manually/time intensive". Just use the Axis for the big stuff that wont go through the 365.
If you just love firewood, and are sick of the corporate job, it is time to let go of it.
I’m gathering that the timber from loggers was included in the breakdown on costs, you’d also need to add the cost of land space your using, like renting a space that big how much would that cost weekly or yearly as it is dedicated to firewood production and storage.
Then marketing cost to advertise in Local Paper etc.
The use of vehicle and trailer too.
If you employed someone to do that for you what would the costs be then.
We can count on you to run the numbers. Very interesting Adam, thanks.
Thanks, for the gas can nozzle advice!
Hey love the videos!! , the problem is you are handling the wood to many times cut the wood and use the conveyor.
Buy log lift bags, they are 16 dollars a bag and hold exactly 1 face cord of loose wood. Leave the bags on pallets and they will dry even faster then the stacked wood in totes.
You have an excavator to move them around or you can use the forks on the tractor to put into the trailer.
Then you buy a small knuckle boom truck to load and unload the bags to customers so there is zero handling of the wood.
By doing this you lift the wood 1x which is when you cut, you also are giving your customers stacked wood since you just drop the bags off wherever they want them so now they get free stacked and less toll on your body.
My recommendation would be to sell that processor and get a little knuckle boom truck.
Adam, you can shorten and quicken the stroke of the splitter on the Eastonmade if you raise the T shaped handle behind the post. Also you could co-ordinate the log feed and the splitter ram together on the other one.. A few seconds in a repetitive cycle can amount to minutes and hours.Good luck in your endeavors. Tough way to make a living, better keep your day job until you own the business, the you will have a good hobby. You have an interesting channel, keep it up in 23.
I have those gas can nozzles. Threw away the impossible to use ones that came with the can.
I remember back in the 60's the cans were metal and had a metal flexible goose neck nozzle.
Outstanding Video Adam, I thought of it myself to do firewood full time. But I can’t justify it where I’m currently in the army full pension plus all the other bonus time off paid. Currently I do 250ish face cord a year as a side gig and growing. Appreciate this video where you a number expert and put it in perspective. Happy New Year my friend. Brad👌🏻🔥🇨🇦
Adam you need one of those claw things to lift the big logs.😊
Claw grapple with a small gantry and a hydraulic or electric winch.
Do both. In these times financial security is a must.
I think you were the first I saw using the pickeroon. One of the best purchases I've ever made. I got the Fiskers version.
It’s a game changer. I bought it for Adam and it took him 6 months before I nagged him enough to use the hookaroon. Now he uses it all the time in the wood yard. Thanks for watching!
Pickaroon or hookaroon :)
I too got the Fiskars one thanks to I guess Adam's Mom..😁 Wish I'd had one 30 years ago when we started heating with wood....it's a back saver and keeps your hands dry longer too!
If you were to do the job full time, I'd expect you would make some changes to the operation. For instance, you current stack the wood in the totes so they can dry over time. If you were going full time, I'm guessing you would go to more bulk sales vs the smaller bundles you do in your firewood stand and what you sell to stores. If you were able to sell by the cord to customers, then you could build a large storage shed. You could dump the wood from the trailer and either stack at a later time or pay a local kid some cash to stack firewood. That would free up more time for splitting and less time stacking. If you did a majority of your work with the firewood processor, you'd be ripping through a lot more then 3 cord a day. Of course that would require a large shed and finding a reliable youth to work for you. But for the right person out there with the space, it'd be worth it and bump up the revenue. On a similar note, your son will be old enough to help out in a couple years. What others call "Child Labor" I like to call "Character Development" j/k. Happy New Year Adam.
You did a great job at breaking it down, time energy vs return, I'm 59 years old, and getting ready to retire. I've been a lineman and my body has already paid the price of doing manual labor for 37 years, I want to retire this year and start a side business doing firewood but not sure if my back will be able to tolerate it. I like to work and the outside but I dont want to end up crippled either. Keep the great content coming .
Congratulations on retirement !
Firewood would be a good extra income but do a little so you don’t wreck your body, your wife would probably enjoy helping ❤
Sam , me & you are similar . I am 51 this year and also have been a lineman since I was 18 . I’m trying to acquire equipment now & start up a side gig so I can retire at 55 and have a little extra income . Best of luck to you !
I do logs on the farm for our own use. We have something like the Easton but mounted on the back of a tractor, it’s hard graft using that for a day. If you were going for it as a business I think you need to be all in and run something like the Japa. It would cut down the physical side no end hopefully preserving your back. Good luck in your endeavours. 😁👋🇬🇧
Adam it is a great video thanks for making it. I work for myself and the biggest mistake I see most people make is counting how much money they are grossing vs how much money they are putting to the bottom line. Underestimating hidden expenses like depreciation are the number one killer of aspiring entrepreneurs. Machinery breaks down, it is expensive to repair and most people who work for themselves don't save enough cash to overcome the catastrophic breakdown of expensive tools. Some things make great "side hustles" but poor career choices. Then there is the 401K and healthcare benefits offered by many employers that would be entrepreneurs lose when stepping out on their own. You have to account for all of these benefits and costs. My answer to most people who ask for advice on making the jump from side hustle to full time career? "Don't quit your day job"...
Another GREAT video, Adam!! My opinion, don't quit your day job!! Keep doing the firewood for "fun"!! 😉 God bless you and your family! 🙏💖
P.S. THANK YOU for the gas can nozzles info!! Our son has some of the aggravating nozzles, & we help him with cutting his huge yard, & I want to throw his gas cans in the trashcan every time I try to use them!! 😡
Hi Dianne, there is a funny analogy of the monkey while swinging from "limb to limb", where: "he never lets go of the previous limb, until he has a good grasp on the next limb".
I think there must be a genuine commitment to see it thru on any new job.
Another analogy, is that "a slave cannot serve two masters".
In Adams case, he likely wont know how successful a firewood business will become for a year or better.
He will need an inventory to keep customer expectations, instead of running out of firewood after a few months.
Hi Adam. When calculating net profit, correct me if I am wrong but all your lumber comes from your own property so is essentially free. Most people do not have access to free lumber so the cost of buying in the lumber from a logging company would seriously impact the already small profit.
A very informative video, especially for those contemplating a firewood business either parttime or full time. Keep up the good work and be carefully when around and operating your equipment. Happy New Year to you and your family.
When I saw the thumbnail, I actually thought you meant the channel, and I said yes, you only need to make a few adjustments to have a mil subscribers same time next year. Your doing this like your only talking to the firewood producers, or wannabees. You're coming off like an accountant. You're stiff. Stoic. The music you played during the drone footage is good, and it will draw 5 times more people when you focus more on home and hearth, and speak more feel alongside the matter of fact. For me to still be watching you says a lot. And I'll probably keep watching, if only to see how it goes. I say this channel can go full time, just get more creative.
If the Easton made had a 4 way wedge. You could mow through more wood on it. Good video. I'll keep my night job, where they take care of alot of stuff.
I'm almost 40 and have worked as a welder and farmed my whole adult life as well as making my own firewood for the last 15 years. For 4 years I was a supervisor at a welding shop in a cushy office. I'd take the office job 7 days a week and have fun at your side hustle.
my office is out side or the wood shop. some heat.. saw mill many days.. 55 and i still love it...
Great video. Thanks for your efforts. I started a firewood business Sept 1st of this year as a side hustle and it is kicking my butt, even though I like the exercise. I am 67 now and wondering how long I can do this.
Good job love the extra content when you break it all down. Thank you sir
Look, a hobby is a hobby. Not the bread winner. Health cares expensive! Enjoy!
I really like your processor its simpler than a full blown self powered unit using your tractor to run the hydraulics with the pto less to worry about and the price I'm sure is affordable, great video keep it up!!
Good video Adam. And ahh, the NW PA mud. Gotta love it.
I replaced all my gas cans with those filler necks, 3 of them, about 5 years ago. Got them at atwoods then at about $7 each. Haven't seen those 3 packs around here. I don't order anything online from anybody. I'm less than 10 minutes away from Atwoods, Tractor Supply, Walmart.
Definitely not a lifelong career I would want. But it is a great hobby to get yourself outside, reduce your electric and/or gas bill during the winter, and help pay for some fun toys you use for other things around the property. Thanks for the video. 🙏
I always enjoy these types of videos where the financial side of things is brought into focus. With that said, I would look into upgrading some of your equipment to become more efficient. Things such as a larger processor that can handle larger diameter and longer logs would reduce the amount of time spent at the Axis. A longer conveyer on the axis so the processed wood can be dumped into the dump trailer or into firewood bags. Gravel, concrete or swamp mats for the processing area will reduce the ruts thus reducing injury risks and allow you to get the wood out for delivery. Doing these things can help you increase the amount of wood you produce in a given period which should also reduce your production costs, helping your bottom line.
Thanks Adam very informative video with the numbers which a lot of these other guys probably don't realize Hope you have a great new year's be safe hope your family is doing well thanks
U nailed two issues for me. Back is the first one.mucking up my little wood yard has been alot less sinse I found some asphalt millings. Helps tremendously.
OMG, that first World classy "the government is interfering in my freedom of gas can nozzling" thing. Priceless
Adam, great analysis. The manner in which you review the numbers is very important for someone considering such a move. Keep up the great work!
I have friends that are contractors and as they age, their bodies are failing. Manual labor for a living is a tough living.
When you start doing something that you like to do as a hobby as a "job" the less fun it gets in my experience. Its nice to just do it in some spare time and make a little extra money for the "rainy day fund". Great video and thanks for sharing.
I agree with everything you said this is a awesome summation of what it takes to make a living at firewood
First, I want to wish you and your family a happy and healthy 2023.
As a tip, You can cut these nice boards on your sawmill, mount some of them on the side of the trailer. That way you increase the capacity of your trailer to hold firewood. and you can run your jappa a bit longer before the trailer fills up.
Good analysis. Add employees and the model becomes profitable......"all wealth is accumulation of labor" locke
Adam I'm so with you on the gas caps and I want to thank you for sharing the link. Those gas spouts have been a pet peeve of mine for years
VP Race fuel gas cans is what i use for all my equipment, perfect for heavy machines also. I sell by the face cord for $200/each all day back down in your hometown of PGH
I would never expect you to reveal your income but the RUclips component to things helps makes that $34k a bit more livable. However, that would not be a new income for you and it would be a tough pay cut from a CPA salary. I often see these side hustles as early retirement plans or hobbies with benefits. As your channel continues to grow, I hope the channel (and by default firewood production) allows you to reap the benefits of your hard work and you can retire from your desk job and be in the woodyard and on the property full time. Thanks for the great content as always!
Don’t work any more than your full time office job.
Being an Owner Operator for the last 10 years, you can’t be in “production mode” 20-days per month. Maybe 8-12 days. The rest of the time is dealing with sales/ maintenance/ breakdown/ raw materials etc.
Rain days like this are meant for support tasks. Hence the old saying, “make hay while the sun is shining.”
There are ways to make controls so that you can run that japa 365 from the cab of that mini ex. Invest in a log grapple as well for it to make handling material faster and easier.
Your channel speaks to me from my industrial management and engineering background as well as the plans to make firewood to supplement my own retirement in October 2025.
If you think firewood is going to ruin you, go drive a semi. It will slowly kill you in front of your own eyes.
Some real-life analysis. 👍
Always maintain short term and long term disability insurance. That’s what saved me. I was 26 and in a triple rollover. I just became more mindful of my expenses and got through it. I actually held off on buying my first motorcycle until I had disability insurance. It’s well worth having.
Great video. Great discussion and consideration. Stick with your day job, firewood is a great "hobby" that pays for your equipment and toys, and heats your shop. FT job gives you retirement savings and health insurance.
Great video, but what you didn't mention was that all you wood was already in the woodlot, stumps and logs both. That takes time too and looks like you have some very nice machinery that comes with initial cost and maintenance. Good job.
great video. love how you break the operation down
another factor is can you sell that much wood, i can do just short of 2 cord in 6 hours cut split and stacked and that is coming out of the woods with 30 minutes of drive time once im loaded. if i haul logs in cut split and stacked i can do 1 cord every 2 hours. excellent job to break down everything.
Even better than the replacement spouts you linked, take a pair of pliers and rip off the red safety tab, now you have a spill proof push spout., which is actually better for situations with limited access to the gas tank where you have to tip the can before you pour. I accidentally found this out in a fit of anger, then the most hated spout became my favorite spout.
I use the 5 gal "water" jugs they sell at ATV/dirt bike shops and farm stores. Funny they can't call them gas cans, because they don't have that safety BS.
I split about one cord of wood a few years ago selling it for $250 green... took me a few hours with a cheaper splitter... was not worth it... a wood harvester is not cheap plus requires maintenance... the price point of firewood/cord is driven by the cost of oil or gas, which is a lot more convenient to operate for consumer that and demand, most people burning wood have it on hand otherwise own a pellet stove. Makes more sense selling the wood for camp fires...
I know you mention your back being sore. I am in my mid 50's and I believe what saved my back in later days are crunches. I don't do as many as I use to, but my back I believe is better shape than most due to crunches. Just my 2 cents. Great video as always.
I always thought firewood was a good supplement to an existing profession and hats off to those who do it full time. If I were to do it full time I'd have a plan in place like a somewhat solid surface to drive/walk on, I'd have a large covered area to put everything under, even soft walls to keep the weather out, designated cutting, loading etc. areas. If you want to do this full time in my area these would be a must with all the snow and rain we get. Personally, I'd get bored within a day or two of constant rinse and repeat
What you are doing Adam is great to pay off your equipment and have a little tax write off. Enjoy. $440. / bush cord delivered in Ontario Canada
Even though you have 2 great processing machines, going full time you would definitely need a big processor with a cab. One with heat and air and obviously a nice seat. Standing all day at your height stooping over is a recipe for more back problems.
Happy New Year Adam.Don't quit your day job as I'm sure it's paying for most of your benefits. Keep your firewood side business. To cover those Man toys You may want!
👍 Thanks, good stuff. Those crappy gas spouts are easy enough to modify with a Dremel and drill.
Been watching Outdoors with the Morgan’s and ran across your page, looking forward to following you!🇺🇸
Well said Adam, i do it as a hobby and some side cash i couldn’t imagine doing it full time … not to mention the space needed
Thank you for sharing your insight with us.
Get a "kidney belt", it straps around your back just above the waist and can be tightened to what is comfortable to you. It helps support your back muscles.
What a great video, thanks for all the effort. Now I need to rethink my retirement from the military.
This is why I'm good with only doing 80 cords or so a year as a small part time gig. I have 2 other jobs where I get my main income. Nice job putting this together Adam.
Firewood business seems better to me as a hobby. The only guys that seem to do well in my area had to scale the business to insane sizes. They have giant kilns, 3 processors, tractor trailers, expensive insurance, and debt I don’t want to imagine. I’d rather do it as a hobby and have that nice side cash you can make on a weekend
Thanks for the good info. No one likes IRS except, probably, the politicians, but don't forget that a lot of the costs are deductible. Cheers
It’s a crazy price for sure, crazy low! Lol I wouldn’t say low, but in our market it’s be on the lower end her in souther Canada, place called wisconsin.
Thank you for the great content. Happy New Year! 🙏✌️
Just think what you could do if you could work from home and have a flex schedule with your online job.
Thanks for the link! New gas can suck.
I was never able to find the replacement EZflow nozzles with a large enough diameter to replace the one on my gas can; however, I purchased one of the battery powered pumps and that works great.
Adam, I learn something every watch! Thank you. 260 cords sounds like a Mountain to me, LOL I'm finding my way towards the "key" OBM numbers for a micro operator starting with 10 cords. Happi New Year!