In the last 800 years, no one has invaded Finland apart from Russia and its predecessors. Sure the Swedes did it first during the crusades in the 1200s, but I think we're all over that now.
But if the kingdom of Sweden would not have "saved the land from the pagans" then the church would have given the job to the next one willing to "convert the land". Like most of today's Sweden and Norway was at one point Uralic(finno ugrian tribes). Scandinavians only lived in the southern parts of Swe and Nor when they discovered "the church". Like look at the Haplogroup N1c map on EUpedia and you can see yourself. There are maps of Kingdom of Sweden too that will show a map similar to that one but the other way around, then Scandinavian peoples history and so on(just for the disbelievers). So what was our real culture really at the coastal areas that had traded for a long time, like Fin even has old Germanic words that the Germanic languages has stopped using themselves(then if they were Germanic from start I do not know, but what I do know is that the Indo Europeans loves to be the origin even if they might even be a younger group than other groups. I think the church handling the records for soooo many years has also twisted some facts that might some day be proven by a find to be wrong). My point is that it was the church coming here and giving the land to the Kingdom of Sweden that was seen in "gods" eyes as deserving or whatever they made up back in the day. A bit different from the reason the Kremlin has had to eradicate all Native cultures and languages, even people to feed the growth of their own Slavic culture and language, even pure ethnic Muscovian Slavs. Every area Denmark or Sweden owned still has the Native languages and cultures left, of course the culture has changed due to many reasons but they never had the same goal as the horde lead by a Dark lord.
the one that talked about Alexander 2nd and sounded intelligent was an textbook example of ruzzian intellectual imperialist. The laws in Finland during the Alexander 2nd were Swedish laws which slowly transformed into Finnish laws (Finland was a separate entity inside ruzzian Empire with own laws, Currency, postal service and borders. You needed a Visa to get in to Finland from ruzzia. So lesson here is somebody can sound intelligent and have basis on his/hers arguments but if you know facts the lies will crumble.
@@vicolin6126 it gets even weirder in history when first synagogue was founded in Helsinki in late 1800's Finlands Swedish laws banned Judaism and Finns didn't have a rule over that law (they already had pogroms in ruzzia) so what happened is that when the synagogue opened all members of Finnish Senate were there for its opening and jews (illegally) were protected by the government. The laws that legitimized Jews and others came to be after in 1900's . That gave the Nazis a headache when they learned they are fighting next to Jews against USSR. Interesting piece of history.
Its funny that he brings Alexander II up as he is always seen as the "good Tsar" in Finland. His statue still stands in the middle of Senate Square in Helsinki and nobody pats an eye of it being there. There was good things of being conquered by Russia from Sweden as it finally gave the autonomy to the finnish people to find their own place in the world. Still there was also the bad as Nikolai II is still seen as the worst Tsar and you would not find a statue of him anywhere as he is hated in Finland as he tried to Russificate Finland by force and guaranteed that Finland would be independent if it got the chance.
@@Wezquwierd right that the ruling nation want to have its official language on territory that belong to it for better managing. Are you for real? Russia was very slack with Finland as I see.
@@aeye9772Finland was an autonomous Grand Duchy and it kept its old laws and languages. Finnish wasn't even an official language until 1863, before that it was only Swedish. Finns saw the russification attempts as a betrayal by the tsar since we were autonomous. You could compare this to the modern Ahvenanmaa/Åland sitiation, they are autonomous and the only official language is Swedish because it's their right to decide that.
@@matshjalmarsson3008 Need a source for the wars in the Middle East, Vietnam, Afghanistan or North Africa? You're probably an adult, you can google it yourself. But if you want help, google we came, we saw, he di€d.
@@ronya_s Sure, it's funny that you wanted just one example of NATO creating war, but now you're pretending that three of the wars I mentioned didn't happen. The Vietnam War did not start with US vs. Vietnam as you know if you use Google, nor was the US the only NATO country in Vietnam after the first NATO country withdrew from Vietnam. And yes, the US is NATO. You can pretend that's not the case, but look at the situation in Iraq and Libya after they didn't want to sell oil in dollars.
Russia being worried about “NATO expansion” is because they have fewer countries they can bully and conquer. The eastern European nations that joined were previously under USSR heel. It’s almost as if they wanted to avoid that happening again 🤔
Its important to remember that its illegal to critisize the war (in Ukraine) in Russia and also big risks when it comes to critizising Russia/Putins narrative generally. So its difficult to know what people really think. Some people might say one thing and think something else. Some answer in an evasive way in case someone from the authorities would get hold of this video. Etc.
I have two russian neighbours (very nice old lady's) both of them say: if finland join nato, they will move back in russia.. They still live in same house next door.
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Both Finland and Sweden have already joined NATO. Finland 4 april 2023 and Sweden 7 mars 2024.
Those young people saying they don't have an opinion, are clearly saying that, because saying that they approve could cause them trouble. If it was anonymous, they might answer differently, I believe.
A man just went to prison in Russia because his young daughter had drawn an anti war picture at school. So yes. You are right. They can't express their true feelings on camera.
Dwayne... Russians that visit other country's are totally different than Russians in Russia... Rus ppl in Moscow and st.peter are quite western, rest of the country doesn't even have running water😢
I've been away from YT for a while (due to too much YT crap). The first thing that struck me when I had seen a bit of your video was: "Oh yes, how nice it is to have a super decent RUclipsr who actually speaks decently to our inner peace, and at the same time does it at eye level." Regarding the subject of the video. When I was about 17, a historian told me that the Russian history textbooks portray the Russians as the good guys and the West as the bad guys. The historian went on, "Which country most faithfully reproduces the history of the world for you? It depends on where you get the history of the world retold." I was stunned because I had never thought that way about the concept of "manipulation" in education, news and culture. There is a saying that goes: "One's death, another's bread". I don't like the narrative, but it is unfortunately true.
Hallo? The West went crusade against a Christian orthdox nation. Does it seem like this is a good guys doing? I remember Germany, Britain, France started several wars against Russia. Good guys? Really? It is also speculated that Ivan IV was poisoned by brits.
Like Finland hadnt been unoficial NATO member which joined every NATO operations and drills. ROFL It was like long anticipated act and Russia is free from pretending being on good terms. Finland is a threat
I think Dwayne you were talking from a Western perspective, you should also think from Russian perspective Finland joins a military alliance made to encircle the Soviet Union (Russia) of course Russians are going to feel threatened against this. And I say this as a Swede, Sweden and Finland should join nato❤
Young Russians living in Moscow and St. Petersburg are well educated and I believe much more opinated than what they want us to believe. They just want to avoid problems.
Been watching the channel whose video he reacted to and it gives you really good view to the psyche of Russian people. Its also nice to see older people who know how things are and are not afraid of saying it. I as a finnish person has nothing against russian people but in the end we know why Finland joined Nato. Our former President Sauli Niinistö told what was the first red flag that Russia was dictating what Finland could do was when Putin demanded guarantees that Nato does not expand to the east. This was seen as clear indication that Russia was trying to dictate what Finland can and cannot do. Niinistö answered to this by stating in his 2022 new years speech that Finland has the right to seek Nato membership if it so chooses. When Russia attacked Ukraine it broke all the deals it had signed with them and many of those are the same or same kind of deals Finland had with Russia themselves. So this was clear show that those deals don't mean nothing as Putin can just decide to ignore them and do what he himself wants. In the end there was no other direction than to Nato as Finland was not going to just sit there and wait when Russia would come to knock on their door to demand something or force their decisions on Finland. Finland is independent country and is not anything that Putin owns or control. Now Finland does not stand alone and if they try there will not be just Finland against them but the whole defence alliance of Nato. Russians always leave that "defence" part out when talking about Nato.
Does some Russians believe that they have went to give flowers for Ukrainians? The answer is yes, they do. This song is what they thought about Finn's during the winter war. They really did believe that we would just let them in our country and they would just take Helsinki over in 2 days. React this Russians winter war song, it tells it all: ruclips.net/video/Wfs35AEypFw/видео.htmlsi=2KqmXXx_G1CU7eCH ruclips.net/video/Wfs35AEypFw/видео.htmlsi=2KqmXXx_G1CU7eCH
About the guy saying that we had Russian laws. That is actually totally false. A main point in our 'transfer' to Russia in 1809 was that we could keep our old laws, i.e. the laws that we had when we were an integral part of Sweden. Also, after that Russia couldn't just enact and enforce laws on us. And this was such a good thing! Sometimes, they tried it though... A fact, e.g., was that Russians didn't have the same rights as Finns in the Grand Duchy of Finland.
25:30 Hey Dwayne, NATO tried to build trust from 1990 to 2022. If you get betrayed like ukraine did, then there is little hope for trust (budapest memorandum). Europe became complacent and didnt take the actions after 2014 serious enough. Ukraine has to pay for this now. NATO will need to take further steps to stop russian invasions into europe.
But that young guy also said "If we've had another president, life might have been different" so you should ask "how is his life" what did he really say. So in reality he said that "he holds the president responsible for how his life is", he never really said if it was good or bad.
Please keep this in mind: To speak free or to give your honest opinion to foreign media in the streets of Moscow is simply not possible. Notice their all-around and nothing-at-all answers. Read between the lines the suppression...😒
👩🏼🌾👋😊🍁 Hello, Dwayne! Thank you for a great video! So insightful, nuanced, informed and intelligence! Both you - and the Russians interviewed. Yes, the Russians are Europeans, both the elderly and the young. As almost always, the collective wisdom and common sense of the people is surprising because the people usually seem to be much wiser (not all of course) and to have a more balanced view of how things actually are, even when they have partially been 'brainwashed' by their government, schools and the prevailing political system. As a general comment, I have to admit that it's a real pleasure to listen to your videos about various topics. The difference between a European, in this case, British, commentator: you, and an American one is huge and to your advantage. Also, as a general comment, it's so obvious that the ignorance of the Americans about the rest of the world and many other things is caused by the poor quality of the general education. What a difference it would make if the Americans had access to a good general education!
Intresting video. Didnt chaing my opinion about russians. There are good and vad ppl everywere. Govenments makes the plans. And media can be huge influencer in opinions
The guy at 2:13 is funny and frightening at the same time. He is funny because he apparently considers himself bulletproof. Apparently he believes that he will survive in one of the mass attacks as in Ukraine. Why isn't he there, there is a lot of easy-deserved money for him? Is terrifying that violence is a solution for him. This is causing more and more violence. It is a good example of toxic masculinity. The type at 8:38 is a funny idiot. He believes that the Finns are friendly to the Russians. At the end of the Cold War, even the Poles stopped mandatory military service. The Finns didn't do that. They are still waiting for a Russian soldier to put their foot across the border ... The Finns do not believe that the Russians want to rob them of land, they know. The last war ended with the fact that the Russians did not give back Finnish territory. The Russians stole the Finn Land and the Finns want it back with the Finns there. The raw materials lie in the sparsely populated east, next to China. They also want a piece of land back and need raw materials for their industry. If the Russians had no atomic bombs, the Chinese would have long since secured their raw material supply. And no, Russians and Chinese are not friends, they are business partners. The two already quarreled in the 1960s. France was not really interested in conquering Russia. Russia had broke the embargo against the UK and therefore the attack came. France is interested in the Mediterranean and Africa. It wants to conquer that. Germany wants to extend its eastern border as far as possible to the east, for the same reasons from which the Russians want to expand their western border. Both are concerned with space for a defense. But there is only space for one of the two. Yes, I just ignore the people who live on the battlefield of the two States. Fun Fact: In the 1990s, Russia officially wanted to become a member of NATO. But they wanted to have a special position, after all they are the "superpower". At that time, Russia was economically on the ground and food was scarce. NATO would probably have rejected because the unstable situation in Russia, if Russia had made an application. But Russia waited for NATO to invite it, which never happened.
@@thal1 Finland is too weak to attack Russia. But what if Russia collapses and the borders are redrawn? Will Finland then say, "Nope, that's not our problem"?
@@Mischnikvideos probably yes tbh... there is no real need for that land since Finland is so sparsely populated already and Russia has turned the areas to 💩 anyways
When Finland should join NATO I heard they asked how many people that wanted to join. The scary thing was when someone said they didn’t want to join NATO then there was people who said to that person that he or she loved Putin and stuff. I’ve been so angry when I heard that. Here in Sweden they didn’t care about what we had to say about it so our government make their own decision, and that is not democratic. I don’t like NATO, they have nuclear weapons like Russia also do and there is much more about this with NATO I don’t like, but it is hard for me to explain. I don’t feel safe in Sweden anymore. I want to move to Ireland instead and all of this had make my mental physical issues to be much worse. I have panic attacks and don’t feel well. If I don’t had my family I should have moved away for a long time ago now. But my girlfriend said I can try to study in Ireland if I really want to go there so I shall try and see if I can do so. I hope so. And after that try to get a job there. NATO is not the only thing that has make my mental physical issues to be worse but it is one of many things that has happened to me in my lifetime.
haha ok so if finland should not fear russia and ally them selfs with russia cus they at one point in history had ties to them, then russia should just go ahead and withdraw their claim on finland+ land within modern russias boarders to sweden seeing as that was once ours 🙄 oh and also just forget the entire idea of russia cus vikings (thats right, norse ppl not russians) played an important role in founding ur country.
When Mother's Day is celebrated in Russia on the last Sunday in November, Russian demand for flowers increases so much that the event causes the price of flowers to rise explosively across the world market. A people who love flowers cannot be aggressive, but... (please complete the mindset by your thoughts)
Basically, you mean that because people make a nice gesture once in a while does not mean that you can base your entire impression of them solely on this one occasion, if so, I agree. I'm sure Russians in general are nice people, but I would never trust them. Don't judge people by what they say, but of what they DO (or some variation of it).
А то что Украина убивает русскоязычных и своих же граждан кто не поддерживает государственный переворот с 2008 года вы не видите конечно, и то что техника НАТО трофейная стоит в центре Москвы вы тоже не видите) Кто спонсирует нацистов на Украине? Азов, нацисты часть армии Украины....
To the guy with the curly hair at 9:10 - Russia was in friendly terms with so many other nations (neighbors) that they invaded. Most lately Ukraine. From the collapse of soviet union in 1991 the Lissabon protocol was conducted 1992 to have all nuclear warheads returned to Russia (I think this took some time because the government in Ukraine wanted to keep some of the warheads) - in exchange for economic support and security assurances from the United States and Russia. Russia has broken this deal, and US is upholding the deal by financial and security/military support. All the neighbors of Russia knows to not trust them - so this is isolating Russia and that's why all want to be in NATO and thus NATO closing in to Russia. In short :) Also: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93NATO_relations
This topic is was and been talking point in my late dads family. If we go back to the 1920s, after short civil war, there was the "Lapua Movement". The movement main goal was often hunting down that supported the communist movement or was "suspected" such as. The country was divided back then as now of the current polarization. I see the history repeats yet again in Finland. When I was in Finland in this summer to visit some of my relatives, I felt a little tension between the citizens. When the current PM Petteri Orpo wanted to abolish the unions and letting the government deciding the salaries. My cousin said the hourly wage as a truck driver by removing the unions would be from about 17 euros down to 7-8 euros as a hourly wage. When the massive strikes happened early this year, the PM put more fuel into the fire by calling the unions as "Mafia". There been talks to have a general strike in Finland, which the 1917 general strikes became a civil war. And guns are relative easy to obtain in Finland...
8:25 I think Russia has always been very clear with their rules. We (NATO) knew those rules, and we purposely pushed and pushed on that rule in order to get the response (we knew we'd get, there is only one) and then legitimize our poo-poo.
@@ransu7327 Theirs. If Russia feels threatened to its existence and sovereignty they are allowed to use any solution. Even Nuclear. And we broke the agreement we had with Russia not expanding/moving closer to Russia multiple times since the promise was given to them. And we've kept on pushing this boundary. So we've forced their hand.
The only real reason why Finland joined NATO is tourism. Finland really didn't need to join NATO because of defense, Finland alone is already a difficult country to invade. Without NATO Finland still is part of the Nordic alliance and the Nordic countries always defend each other, Finland is also an EU country and the EU countries defend each other. If we imagine a hypothetical situation where Finland is not a NATO country, then if Russia were to attack Finland, Norway, for example, would come to defend Finland, and if a Norwegian died in the fighting, then it would be considered an attack on NATO countries, and thus NATO could participate in the war. Now that Finland is a NATO country, it looks better on paper to ordinary people, and thus safer, so tourism is the reason. Whatever Sweden's reasons were for joining, I don't know, Sweden is safe between Finland and Norway in any case. But from a defense point of view, I think Sweden's NATO membership is more important than Finland's, of course, Finland's maritime areas are now NATO areas, but Sweden's Gotland island is a very important area, and it is now NATO territory. To be noted, that this is all just my opinion, of course I could be completely wrong. I'm not a war or military expert.
Actually Finland and Russia didn't have big problems so that is why I think our Finnish Government should normalize their relationship with Russia even there is Ukraine war going on. It is their war not ours.
Well, let me as a Finnish man tell you that Russians/Soviets will always complain and whine about everything being unfair 😂😂. Just like during the ww2, when Soviet Union had all the support of Nazi Germany, because of the Molotov /Ribbentrop pact during the winter war and a couple of years to come. They attacked Finland in 1939 and they had all help needed from Nazi Germany, to 1941 and when it was only the Germans that wanted to help Finland to get weapons, after Churchill and Du Gaulle saw Finland as naive beliving they would help Finland out at all... Then Soviet Union started to lick the massive balls of west to be able to conquer Finland... That didn't work at all and remember that Finland fought both Russia and Ukraine (and 13 other nations and West) and anyway are the Russkies whining today 😂😂😂... We aren't afraid of them at all and this time is our Brothers of Ukraine with us 😂😂😂... Come on... Attack us again and let's rock 😂😂😂
In the last 800 years, no one has invaded Finland apart from Russia and its predecessors. Sure the Swedes did it first during the crusades in the 1200s, but I think we're all over that now.
But if the kingdom of Sweden would not have "saved the land from the pagans" then the church would have given the job to the next one willing to "convert the land". Like most of today's Sweden and Norway was at one point Uralic(finno ugrian tribes). Scandinavians only lived in the southern parts of Swe and Nor when they discovered "the church". Like look at the Haplogroup N1c map on EUpedia and you can see yourself. There are maps of Kingdom of Sweden too that will show a map similar to that one but the other way around, then Scandinavian peoples history and so on(just for the disbelievers). So what was our real culture really at the coastal areas that had traded for a long time, like Fin even has old Germanic words that the Germanic languages has stopped using themselves(then if they were Germanic from start I do not know, but what I do know is that the Indo Europeans loves to be the origin even if they might even be a younger group than other groups. I think the church handling the records for soooo many years has also twisted some facts that might some day be proven by a find to be wrong).
My point is that it was the church coming here and giving the land to the Kingdom of Sweden that was seen in "gods" eyes as deserving or whatever they made up back in the day. A bit different from the reason the Kremlin has had to eradicate all Native cultures and languages, even people to feed the growth of their own Slavic culture and language, even pure ethnic Muscovian Slavs. Every area Denmark or Sweden owned still has the Native languages and cultures left, of course the culture has changed due to many reasons but they never had the same goal as the horde lead by a Dark lord.
the one that talked about Alexander 2nd and sounded intelligent was an textbook example of ruzzian intellectual imperialist.
The laws in Finland during the Alexander 2nd were Swedish laws which slowly transformed into Finnish laws (Finland was a separate entity inside ruzzian Empire with own laws, Currency, postal service and borders. You needed a Visa to get in to Finland from ruzzia. So lesson here is somebody can sound intelligent and have basis on his/hers arguments but if you know facts the lies will crumble.
Thank you for pointing this out.
@@vicolin6126 it gets even weirder in history when first synagogue was founded in Helsinki in late 1800's Finlands Swedish laws banned Judaism and Finns didn't have a rule over that law (they already had pogroms in ruzzia) so what happened is that when the synagogue opened all members of Finnish Senate were there for its opening and jews (illegally) were protected by the government. The laws that legitimized Jews and others came to be after in 1900's . That gave the Nazis a headache when they learned they are fighting next to Jews against USSR. Interesting piece of history.
Its funny that he brings Alexander II up as he is always seen as the "good Tsar" in Finland. His statue still stands in the middle of Senate Square in Helsinki and nobody pats an eye of it being there. There was good things of being conquered by Russia from Sweden as it finally gave the autonomy to the finnish people to find their own place in the world. Still there was also the bad as Nikolai II is still seen as the worst Tsar and you would not find a statue of him anywhere as he is hated in Finland as he tried to Russificate Finland by force and guaranteed that Finland would be independent if it got the chance.
@@Wezquwierd right that the ruling nation want to have its official language on territory that belong to it for better managing. Are you for real? Russia was very slack with Finland as I see.
@@aeye9772Finland was an autonomous Grand Duchy and it kept its old laws and languages. Finnish wasn't even an official language until 1863, before that it was only Swedish. Finns saw the russification attempts as a betrayal by the tsar since we were autonomous. You could compare this to the modern Ahvenanmaa/Åland sitiation, they are autonomous and the only official language is Swedish because it's their right to decide that.
AFAIK NATO hasn't initiated any conflicts, while Russia has done so a number of times
Then you know very little. Ever heard of the Middle East, Vietnam, Afghanistan or North Africa?
@@MrGunnar69 Provide a source, just one, and I will change my opinion.
I think you're confusing NATO with USA
@@matshjalmarsson3008 Need a source for the wars in the Middle East, Vietnam, Afghanistan or North Africa? You're probably an adult, you can google it yourself.
But if you want help, google we came, we saw, he di€d.
@@MrGunnar69 What has NATO to do with war in Vietnam, for example? I would also like to see a one legit source for that. NATO is not U.S. you know?
@@ronya_s Sure, it's funny that you wanted just one example of NATO creating war, but now you're pretending that three of the wars I mentioned didn't happen.
The Vietnam War did not start with US vs. Vietnam as you know if you use Google, nor was the US the only NATO country in Vietnam after the first NATO country withdrew from Vietnam.
And yes, the US is NATO. You can pretend that's not the case, but look at the situation in Iraq and Libya after they didn't want to sell oil in dollars.
Russia being worried about “NATO expansion” is because they have fewer countries they can bully and conquer. The eastern European nations that joined were previously under USSR heel. It’s almost as if they wanted to avoid that happening again 🤔
Its important to remember that its illegal to critisize the war (in Ukraine) in Russia and also big risks when it comes to critizising Russia/Putins narrative generally. So its difficult to know what people really think. Some people might say one thing and think something else. Some answer in an evasive way in case someone from the authorities would get hold of this video. Etc.
Just remember that it is illegal to critisize Ukraine's actions since 2014, you can get jailed or cancelled.
sad, but what can we do about it?
I have two russian neighbours (very nice old lady's) both of them say: if finland join nato, they will move back in russia.. They still live in same house next door.
Both Finland and Sweden have already joined NATO. Finland 4 april 2023 and Sweden 7 mars 2024.
I know i live in finland, u miss the point
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@@PainKiller89853 so your neigbour did move?
@@tobbeandersson4616 they have not move back, that was the point.
@@PainKiller89853 oksame as Americans that Will move from USA when Trumps win?
Those young people saying they don't have an opinion, are clearly saying that, because saying that they approve could cause them trouble. If it was anonymous, they might answer differently, I believe.
A man just went to prison in Russia because his young daughter had drawn an anti war picture at school. So yes. You are right. They can't express their true feelings on camera.
There are people on Russian national TV talking about how "Finland is next".. yeah they're so peaceful and friendly.
I love the two young ladies, and the red haired young gent. There's still hope in the people of Russia.
Dwayne... Russians that visit other country's are totally different than Russians in Russia... Rus ppl in Moscow and st.peter are quite western, rest of the country doesn't even have running water😢
I've been away from YT for a while (due to too much YT crap). The first thing that struck me when I had seen a bit of your video was: "Oh yes, how nice it is to have a super decent RUclipsr who actually speaks decently to our inner peace, and at the same time does it at eye level."
Regarding the subject of the video. When I was about 17, a historian told me that the Russian history textbooks portray the Russians as the good guys and the West as the bad guys. The historian went on, "Which country most faithfully reproduces the history of the world for you? It depends on where you get the history of the world retold." I was stunned because I had never thought that way about the concept of "manipulation" in education, news and culture.
There is a saying that goes: "One's death, another's bread". I don't like the narrative, but it is unfortunately true.
Hallo? The West went crusade against a Christian orthdox nation. Does it seem like this is a good guys doing? I remember Germany, Britain, France started several wars against Russia. Good guys? Really? It is also speculated that Ivan IV was poisoned by brits.
If Russia had another president, Finland wouldn't have joined NATO at all LOL
Like Finland hadnt been unoficial NATO member which joined every NATO operations and drills. ROFL
It was like long anticipated act and Russia is free from pretending being on good terms. Finland is a threat
They are avoiding saying things if they are against Ukrainian war. They have to be neutral
RUclips is banned in russia and only accessable by vpn which is also illegal there
I think Dwayne you were talking from a Western perspective, you should also think from Russian perspective
Finland joins a military alliance made to encircle the Soviet Union (Russia) of course Russians are going to feel threatened against this.
And I say this as a Swede, Sweden and Finland should join nato❤
Young Russians living in Moscow and St. Petersburg are well educated and I believe much more opinated than what they want us to believe. They just want to avoid problems.
Been watching the channel whose video he reacted to and it gives you really good view to the psyche of Russian people. Its also nice to see older people who know how things are and are not afraid of saying it. I as a finnish person has nothing against russian people but in the end we know why Finland joined Nato.
Our former President Sauli Niinistö told what was the first red flag that Russia was dictating what Finland could do was when Putin demanded guarantees that Nato does not expand to the east. This was seen as clear indication that Russia was trying to dictate what Finland can and cannot do. Niinistö answered to this by stating in his 2022 new years speech that Finland has the right to seek Nato membership if it so chooses. When Russia attacked Ukraine it broke all the deals it had signed with them and many of those are the same or same kind of deals Finland had with Russia themselves. So this was clear show that those deals don't mean nothing as Putin can just decide to ignore them and do what he himself wants. In the end there was no other direction than to Nato as Finland was not going to just sit there and wait when Russia would come to knock on their door to demand something or force their decisions on Finland. Finland is independent country and is not anything that Putin owns or control. Now Finland does not stand alone and if they try there will not be just Finland against them but the whole defence alliance of Nato. Russians always leave that "defence" part out when talking about Nato.
Red haired girl: "I'm not in to politics". Then continues to roast the government :]
Theoretically Russia could be self-sufficient but in practice not even close.
Have you seen the old maps that Putin shows witch Countrys belongs to Russia according to Putin
Mad dog
Does some Russians believe that they have went to give flowers for Ukrainians? The answer is yes, they do. This song is what they thought about Finn's during the winter war. They really did believe that we would just let them in our country and they would just take Helsinki over in 2 days. React this Russians winter war song, it tells it all: ruclips.net/video/Wfs35AEypFw/видео.htmlsi=2KqmXXx_G1CU7eCH ruclips.net/video/Wfs35AEypFw/видео.htmlsi=2KqmXXx_G1CU7eCH
About the guy saying that we had Russian laws. That is actually totally false. A main point in our 'transfer' to Russia in 1809 was that we could keep our old laws, i.e. the laws that we had when we were an integral part of Sweden. Also, after that Russia couldn't just enact and enforce laws on us. And this was such a good thing! Sometimes, they tried it though...
A fact, e.g., was that Russians didn't have the same rights as Finns in the Grand Duchy of Finland.
25:30 Hey Dwayne, NATO tried to build trust from 1990 to 2022. If you get betrayed like ukraine did, then there is little hope for trust (budapest memorandum). Europe became complacent and didnt take the actions after 2014 serious enough. Ukraine has to pay for this now. NATO will need to take further steps to stop russian invasions into europe.
I am a little afraid for the young redhead woman who was open and critical of the government 🥹. 🥰
But that young guy also said "If we've had another president, life might have been different" so you should ask "how is his life" what did he really say. So in reality he said that "he holds the president responsible for how his life is", he never really said if it was good or bad.
9:02 The last time we still had a tie with russia was in 2012 when Tarja Halonen was still a president😂
Please keep this in mind: To speak free or to give your honest opinion to foreign media in the streets of Moscow is simply not possible. Notice their all-around and nothing-at-all answers. Read between the lines the suppression...😒
👩🏼🌾👋😊🍁 Hello, Dwayne!
Thank you for a great video! So insightful, nuanced, informed and intelligence!
Both you - and the Russians interviewed.
Yes, the Russians are Europeans, both the elderly and the young. As almost always, the collective wisdom and common sense of the people is surprising because the people usually seem to be much wiser (not all of course) and to have a more balanced view of how things actually are, even when they have partially been 'brainwashed' by their government, schools and the prevailing political system.
As a general comment, I have to admit that it's a real pleasure to listen to your videos about various topics. The difference between a European, in this case, British, commentator: you, and an American one is huge and to your advantage. Also, as a general comment, it's so obvious that the ignorance of the Americans about the rest of the world and many other things is caused by the poor quality of the general education. What a difference it would make if the Americans had access to a good general education!
Intresting video. Didnt chaing my opinion about russians. There are good and vad ppl everywere. Govenments makes the plans. And media can be huge influencer in opinions
Totally agree. Täysin samaa mieltä.
The guy at 2:13 is funny and frightening at the same time. He is funny because he apparently considers himself bulletproof. Apparently he believes that he will survive in one of the mass attacks as in Ukraine. Why isn't he there, there is a lot of easy-deserved money for him? Is terrifying that violence is a solution for him. This is causing more and more violence. It is a good example of toxic masculinity.
The type at 8:38 is a funny idiot. He believes that the Finns are friendly to the Russians. At the end of the Cold War, even the Poles stopped mandatory military service. The Finns didn't do that. They are still waiting for a Russian soldier to put their foot across the border ... The Finns do not believe that the Russians want to rob them of land, they know. The last war ended with the fact that the Russians did not give back Finnish territory. The Russians stole the Finn Land and the Finns want it back with the Finns there.
The raw materials lie in the sparsely populated east, next to China. They also want a piece of land back and need raw materials for their industry. If the Russians had no atomic bombs, the Chinese would have long since secured their raw material supply. And no, Russians and Chinese are not friends, they are business partners. The two already quarreled in the 1960s.
France was not really interested in conquering Russia. Russia had broke the embargo against the UK and therefore the attack came. France is interested in the Mediterranean and Africa. It wants to conquer that. Germany wants to extend its eastern border as far as possible to the east, for the same reasons from which the Russians want to expand their western border. Both are concerned with space for a defense. But there is only space for one of the two. Yes, I just ignore the people who live on the battlefield of the two States.
Fun Fact: In the 1990s, Russia officially wanted to become a member of NATO. But they wanted to have a special position, after all they are the "superpower". At that time, Russia was economically on the ground and food was scarce. NATO would probably have rejected because the unstable situation in Russia, if Russia had made an application. But Russia waited for NATO to invite it, which never happened.
Like 90% of Finns wouldn't even want to take back the land we lost
@@thal1 Finland is too weak to attack Russia. But what if Russia collapses and the borders are redrawn? Will Finland then say, "Nope, that's not our problem"?
@@Mischnikvideos probably yes tbh... there is no real need for that land since Finland is so sparsely populated already and Russia has turned the areas to 💩 anyways
I remember . Slava Ukraine! and then hope all these people in this video are safe. Not the original video still.
Nato is like a giant nest of bees. Peasfull and useful. But don't brake it...
9:50 they dont teach that part of history in schools of russia. brainwashed :(
UK is also very divided country. Brexit? Hello?
Finland has never fully trusted Russia ever since we gained independence and hence Russia invading Ukraine illegally makes Finland want better defense
I’m quite sure if Russia had not invaded Ukraine Finland may not have joined NATO
When Finland should join NATO I heard they asked how many people that wanted to join. The scary thing was when someone said they didn’t want to join NATO then there was people who said to that person that he or she loved Putin and stuff. I’ve been so angry when I heard that.
Here in Sweden they didn’t care about what we had to say about it so our government make their own decision, and that is not democratic.
I don’t like NATO, they have nuclear weapons like Russia also do and there is much more about this with NATO I don’t like, but it is hard for me to explain. I don’t feel safe in Sweden anymore. I want to move to Ireland instead and all of this had make my mental physical issues to be much worse. I have panic attacks and don’t feel well. If I don’t had my family I should have moved away for a long time ago now. But my girlfriend said I can try to study in Ireland if I really want to go there so I shall try and see if I can do so. I hope so. And after that try to get a job there.
NATO is not the only thing that has make my mental physical issues to be worse but it is one of many things that has happened to me in my lifetime.
haha ok so if finland should not fear russia and ally them selfs with russia cus they at one point in history had ties to them, then russia should just go ahead and withdraw their claim on finland+ land within modern russias boarders to sweden seeing as that was once ours 🙄 oh and also just forget the entire idea of russia cus vikings (thats right, norse ppl not russians) played an important role in founding ur country.
NATO surrounding Russia :))) grab a map please !
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9.30 Actual Russian troll look a like
When Mother's Day is celebrated in Russia on the last Sunday in November, Russian demand for flowers increases so much that the event causes the price of flowers to rise explosively across the world market. A people who love flowers cannot be aggressive, but... (please complete the mindset by your thoughts)
Basically, you mean that because people make a nice gesture once in a while does not mean that you can base your entire impression of them solely on this one occasion, if so, I agree. I'm sure Russians in general are nice people, but I would never trust them.
Don't judge people by what they say, but of what they DO (or some variation of it).
Your open mindedness proves that you are intellectually gifted. I appreciate that very much.
And they arent aggressive but you are too brainwashed to see it. Here, did it for you
А то что Украина убивает русскоязычных и своих же граждан кто не поддерживает государственный переворот с 2008 года вы не видите конечно, и то что техника НАТО трофейная стоит в центре Москвы вы тоже не видите) Кто спонсирует нацистов на Украине? Азов, нацисты часть армии Украины....
Finland joined nato becouse Russian invasion to Ukraine
I can't watch that bull shit
To the guy with the curly hair at 9:10 - Russia was in friendly terms with so many other nations (neighbors) that they invaded. Most lately Ukraine.
From the collapse of soviet union in 1991 the Lissabon protocol was conducted 1992 to have all nuclear warheads returned to Russia (I think this took some time because the government in Ukraine wanted to keep some of the warheads) - in exchange for economic support and security assurances from the United States and Russia. Russia has broken this deal, and US is upholding the deal by financial and security/military support.
All the neighbors of Russia knows to not trust them - so this is isolating Russia and that's why all want to be in NATO and thus NATO closing in to Russia.
In short :)
Also: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93NATO_relations
How to say, russian peopole are good and kind, but in nation they are from deep and lateral.
This topic is was and been talking point in my late dads family. If we go back to the 1920s, after short civil war, there was the "Lapua Movement". The movement main goal was often hunting down that supported the communist movement or was "suspected" such as. The country was divided back then as now of the current polarization.
I see the history repeats yet again in Finland. When I was in Finland in this summer to visit some of my relatives, I felt a little tension between the citizens. When the current PM Petteri Orpo wanted to abolish the unions and letting the government deciding the salaries.
My cousin said the hourly wage as a truck driver by removing the unions would be from about 17 euros down to 7-8 euros as a hourly wage. When the massive strikes happened early this year, the PM put more fuel into the fire by calling the unions as "Mafia". There been talks to have a general strike in Finland, which the 1917 general strikes became a civil war. And guns are relative easy to obtain in Finland...
And your laugh is a derogate towards the Russian people !!
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8:25 I think Russia has always been very clear with their rules. We (NATO) knew those rules, and we purposely pushed and pushed on that rule in order to get the response (we knew we'd get, there is only one) and then legitimize our poo-poo.
Who's rules?
@@ransu7327 Theirs. If Russia feels threatened to its existence and sovereignty they are allowed to use any solution. Even Nuclear.
And we broke the agreement we had with Russia not expanding/moving closer to Russia multiple times since the promise was given to them. And we've kept on pushing this boundary. So we've forced their hand.
The only real reason why Finland joined NATO is tourism. Finland really didn't need to join NATO because of defense, Finland alone is already a difficult country to invade. Without NATO Finland still is part of the Nordic alliance and the Nordic countries always defend each other, Finland is also an EU country and the EU countries defend each other.
If we imagine a hypothetical situation where Finland is not a NATO country, then if Russia were to attack Finland, Norway, for example, would come to defend Finland, and if a Norwegian died in the fighting, then it would be considered an attack on NATO countries, and thus NATO could participate in the war.
Now that Finland is a NATO country, it looks better on paper to ordinary people, and thus safer, so tourism is the reason.
Whatever Sweden's reasons were for joining, I don't know, Sweden is safe between Finland and Norway in any case. But from a defense point of view, I think Sweden's NATO membership is more important than Finland's, of course, Finland's maritime areas are now NATO areas, but Sweden's Gotland island is a very important area, and it is now NATO territory.
To be noted, that this is all just my opinion, of course I could be completely wrong. I'm not a war or military expert.
Actually Finland and Russia didn't have big problems so that is why I think our Finnish Government should normalize their relationship with Russia even there is Ukraine war going on. It is their war not ours.
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Well, let me as a Finnish man tell you that Russians/Soviets will always complain and whine about everything being unfair 😂😂. Just like during the ww2, when Soviet Union had all the support of Nazi Germany, because of the Molotov /Ribbentrop pact during the winter war and a couple of years to come. They attacked Finland in 1939 and they had all help needed from Nazi Germany, to 1941 and when it was only the Germans that wanted to help Finland to get weapons, after Churchill and Du Gaulle saw Finland as naive beliving they would help Finland out at all...
Then Soviet Union started to lick the massive balls of west to be able to conquer Finland... That didn't work at all and remember that Finland fought both Russia and Ukraine (and 13 other nations and West) and anyway are the Russkies whining today 😂😂😂... We aren't afraid of them at all and this time is our Brothers of Ukraine with us 😂😂😂... Come on... Attack us again and let's rock 😂😂😂
Sooo Russia has never lost and can not loose huh,wow thats a wrong but bald thing to say😅