This clock was famous, but the internet ruined it.
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- Опубликовано: 26 июн 2022
- It feels like no-one's told the world about this yet. ■ AD: 👨💻 NordVPN's best deal is here: nordvpn.com/tomscott - with a 30-day money-back guarantee! ■ More: Royal FloraHolland's flower auction in Aalsmeer had a famous clock: a literal Dutch auction where the first person to press their button would win. But it's no more, and that's down to the internet. www.royalfloraholland.com/en/...
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You upload videos three weeks in advance??
o_O
@@NetroxSM apparently
woahhh
Huh, a VPN advertising in a tom scott vid, *interesting*
Biking around in a warehouse full of flowers is the most aggressively Dutch thing I've ever heard.
Funnily enough, most on floor workers are actually from Poland.
@@steefberg9042 As someone who is learning Polish and has poked at the duolingo course for Dutch before, I just briefly tried to imagine what _niderlandzki-polski_ (nederlands-pools?) would sound like.
I'm scared now.
Indeed
@@WackoMcGoose As somebody who speaks both languages alot everyday i aprove
@@lenwax Do you work with Poles in the Netherlands? Or is there some other reason why you speak both every day?
I find the fact that there is a warehouse the size of a small country devoted only to flowers with entire roadways inside it, more believable than the fact that Tom took a sponsor.
A (smaller scaled) example is thomann, who started as a small shop for instruments (in a house they still use as a show room/store) but now mostly consists of a huge warehouse and logistics center in the middle of nowhere (the village in which they are located has about 200 inhabitants, while the company has 1400 employees)
I am really shocked people would set up such an operation just to sell flowers
Times are hard for everyone I guess.
He went into detail on why he's okay with them now in his robot double video, as they've fixed themselves up enough that he'll trust them for the legitimate uses of VPNs.
well not the size of a country, the size of a microstate, tiny country
The auction clock would be a fun interactive experience for the tourists. Instead of betting on a whole lot of flowers, tourists can bet on just one flower, a bouquet, or even a limited daily supply of special souvenirs. Doesn't even need to be paid in real money, it can be part of a paid tour and end in the auction clock room with a friendly competition for a special prize.
I don't think a multibillion dollar factory cares
For the very few tourists that are interested in going to a flower factory. Doesn’t sound worth it for the company.
Sometimes at least they still let you look in the auction rooms at least. When my brother went on his honeymoon they let him sit in one of the chairs so he could imagine "how buying flowers would feel" and check out through the door the flowers used to come out through.
If there's no actual money involved in the auction then it just becomes a game of "who can press the button the fastest"...
@@co-starluma4496 Except you can always have digital pseudo-currencies.
Give each tourist the same amount, and then have them bid for those souvenirs. If you press the button the fastest, you might not be able to get another souvenir until the last few pieces which time out because nobody else has any fantasy money left either.
Tom, this is the most truthful add for a VPN with no misleading info and honest thoughts. I love it.All in-video commercials should be done this way instead of repeating like zombie what the sponsor wants.
Seems like they've made a zombie out of u.
I wanted to write the same thing. The amount of BS that VPN providers say to sell their product doesn't bother me that much, I've seen worse. But, everybody repeats it like a damn parrot. Its nice to see, somebody is just presenting the actual safe and legal use of affordable VPN services.
@@Kosa647 Internet Historian though has probably one of the most funniest way to advert his VPN sponsors on youtube. I really recommend taking a look, the amount of effort he puts into the advert is insanse
edit: I just looked up, and there are videos with more than 100k views which are literally "All Internet Historian adverts in chronological order". If this doesnt speak for itself than i dont know what does
Sometimes it's not necessarily them repeating what the sponsor wants. Michael Reeves did a VPN ad where he went out of his way to be misleading by setting up an unencrypted webserver, running a packet capture and pretending like data is always transmitted in plain text if you don't use a VPN, even though any remotely reputable site would force you to use encryption. If that's not intentionally misleading I don't know what is.
@@RFX01 I always thought of it more as a jokey exaggerated ad, like it’s about as misleading as having someone dress up as a file and being taken away by a “hacker”
Before watching the video, I thought this might've been a case of internet people ruining something just for the sake of it, but it is actually the mere existence of the internet that ruined the clocks. Ironic, considering I've never heard of them until being on the internet.
So the internet killed the clocks but the internet is also keeping their memory alive
@@BodyMusicification I think that's true for a lot of things.
thats how clickbait works
Ya
@@idkhow2type322 how? It's true though? The Internet makes it possible to order it from far away. So, no Kore clocks!
i like how tom is VERY careful with how he words his advert, everything he criticised in his anti VPN Ad video was sidestepped, mainly because his use for the VPN is a practical use for researching the Video your watching. he does not mention the Privacy or the security of Nord VPN once, removing the VPNs main selling point whilst still making it work
That's the idea. It doesn't contradict his old video. He's selling the usecase that worked for him. He knows his audience would lose respect from him if did otherwise.
Also he snuck in a Rick roll
@@zealous404 is it that sentence in Deutch he said? I feel like it is
@@TheKz262 Yes, the rough translation is “Oh, I’m never going to give you up” from Dutch
@@ve2dmn I think he'd avoid doing it even if his audience didn't care. But of course I can't be sure.
Dear Tom, while this clock (sadly) isn’t quite there anymore there still exists one. In the Broekerveiling museum in Broek op Langedijk. That’s also coincidentally the only auction where the products are transported through the room by boat. Might be cool for you to cover that.
You were way ahead of me, but I second this opinion and advice. :)
I'll third this
There’s also one in Aalsmeer in the ‘Historische Tuin’
Sad to see that those auction rooms are gone, I used to repair and maintain those clocks and those rooms and the people had a special atmosphere . That were good times.
Did you just rickroll us during the sponsor part? "Oh, ik zal je nooit opgeven", "Oh I'm never gonna give you up?" It's a funny feeling, being educated about something in your own country (let alone something you pass by whenever you commute to the office) by someone that is from abroad, but if it's anyone, I'm glad it's you. Your videos are always interesting!
Tom Scott stealthily rickrolling us by learning the phrase in Dutch (and pronouncing it properly?) is so incredibly on-brand for him.
@@rielmarqz His pronunciation is indeed proper, just where he put the emphasis was a bit off.
If it is so, that would be a very smart Easteregg.
@@rielmarqz well he's a linguist. of course he knows how to pronounce it properly
grappig
As a Dutch person... I got smarter today. I would've sworn it still worked the old way.
Also, getting rickrolled in Dutch by Tom Scott is such a mindf*ck... (He said: Never gonna give you up, in Dutch.)
Was looking if anyone else caught it
Wait when?
@@mastermohit 6:13
"Ik zal je nooit opgeven", which is a very rough translation of "I am never gonne give you up"
Just as a curious American, how was his pronunciation?
@@glenngriffon8032 Very good actually!
My Japanese grandparents own/owned a flower business. They would buy flowers from an auction in the exact manner shown above. I went there a few years ago (2019?) and it was still displayed on a digital clock counting down, with many varieties of flowers. They would buy thousands of flowers a week, more common varieties were purchased in bulk orders, but more limited(from a special region, rare color or species) or seasonal flowers were almost always bid on. Unfortunately the parent company to their business has started taking larger and larger cuts. Their business used to take ~70% of commissions, and buy, arrange, and deliver all the flowers, pay the 50+ employees etc, with the parent company using the remaining 30% to rent the venue and pay their employees. In the recent 10 years (following the passing of my grandfather) they have increased their cut to 45%, and during the pandemic they raised their cut to over 65%. It's quite sad that their business of over 40 years is coming to a close due to predatory practices.
My wife's parents were in the flower business in Tokyo as well. I wish I had learned more about it; unfortunately, between language and not knowing what questions to ask, I know very little. It was a much smaller operation; I don't know if it involved the exchange. It was inherited from my father-in-law's parents post-war; there was a lot of hardship, in part due to the loss of young men, leaving widows and children to do the work, and that shaped that generation.
this is the threat of globalisation of things. everything gets the soul drained from it, and you can't carry on with local business like you once could.
OVER 65%?!
Also, if you saw my spam of laughing emojis replies, that wasn't intentional. It was thanks to the RUclips app breaking my phone's keyboard, and I use the emoji to test if it will let me type yet, and for some reason it sent and repeated like 3-4 times.
Fun fact: If you do wish to see an auction clock in the Netherlands in action. I advise you to go to the Museum Broekerveiling. It's an old boat auction building that was used for selling vegetables (and fruit I suppose). The boats would pass through the auction hall, and the clock would go down just like the one in Aalsmeer would.
So Tom thought he would never advertise for Nord VPN. And I thought I would never see an honest VPN ad without fearmongering. And yet, here we are :D
and a rickroll for good measure
he did it before with the robot head video
He did write the book on VPN ads being terrible, so I'd expect no less from him.
*Reads terms and conditions*
*Circumventing Location blocks is not allowed*
*Turns on VPN*
Am I doing this right?
if it annoys you (or any other viewer, who reads this) these days browsers also have extensions that autoskip these 'in-video' ads. works like a charm, I hardly ever see any anymore.
Hey Tom! While this clock may not be in use anymore as far as flowers go, there is still a fully functional (analog!) version in the BroekerVeiling museum. They do a practical demonstration involving the pressing of the buttons and such as well, super interesting and fun to see how auctions used to be held.
There is also a functioning analog one in aalsmeer, at de historische tuinen. They still hold auctions of fruit, flowers and plants.
Was about to suggest this. The "Museum Broeker Veiling" in Broek op Langedijk has an action clock and there are demonstrations where you can actually participate in (not for a whole shipload of vegatables but a more managable quatity for a person).
And... the old clock of the veiling Barendrecht still hangs in the building of Jabaay, Gebroken Meeldijk 68 in Barendrecht.
Tom Scott has the best commenters
There also still exist in most of fish market in france
The fact that this entire production was one big in-joke about NordVPN - and the end of Tom’s storied saga with Nord specifically - made the experience that much more thrilling. 🤣
what was the saga?
@@elliotw.888 I think he made video a while back about having to reject a nice bit of sponsor money from ****VPN. Because of what he considered to be "false advertising"(i.e. their usual bs about being more secure and private).
But money finds a way and this is actually a very truthful and accurate take on the advantage of using a VPN service
I appreciate that Tom found the perfect narrative location - in front of a windmill.
holy crap i never expected such massive infrastructure/elaborate logistics for flowers
I know right!?
Would have thought the Dutch quit the flower market, but apparently they bounced back from the previous disaster
The scale of it was much more mind-blowing hundreds of years ago.
the livestock market is just as complicated, but less centralized
The Dutch are crazy
I still can't get over how Tom completely changed how VPNs as a whole are advertised, with that video. I can remember before and after, and there was an almost seismic shift away from cybersecurity scaremongering and towards the actual (legally acceptable) benefit of location-hopping.
I would not know. I run sponsorblock.
@@redcuillin it’s a shame indeed
They were originally advertised mostly for changing your region and things like that, then they discovered how much money they could make by fearmongering 🙂
What do you mean with "legally acceptable"?
@@whuzzzup they probably meant morally
As a Dutch person I was like: "Huh... 'ik zal je nooit opgeven'..? Wait what does he mean?"
Until I realised it was Tom rickrolling us 😅
('Ik zal je nooit opgeven' is 'never gonna give you up' in Dutch.)
Was it a rickroll? I think he needs to train his G sound. ;)
OH KOM OP!!! 😂😭
5:08 “If tradition gets in the way of that, then tradition had to go.” Showing a cart ignoring the tradition of adhering to the arrow direction. Well played!
the most dutch thing is them biking around in the warehouse haha
verified moment
Hate to “well actually”, but you’ll find this super common at big factories.
That is normal in every railway depot
using bikes like that is very common when you get to buildings of that size, the Boeing factory in Everett Washington does the same thing (although they use trikes instead of bikes)
@@jonnywips the ropewalk at Chatham dockyards is 1/4 mile long (about 5 metres wide, and a bike is used these days
Here for the ongoing 'will-they-won't-they' love story between Tom and NordVPN.
Right?! It's been an interesting transition from "don't trust them all the time" to creepy Tombot's date with Nord, and now even real Tom is starting to see it in a different light. What's that song from Beauty and the Beast? "I think there's something there that wasn't there before"
@@openperspective You hit the nail on the head and now that song is stuck in my head.
This feels like either a badly-written Wattpad fanfic or a well-written Ao3 fic.
Kinda sad to see the selling out tbh.
Doesn't beat when TomSka tried to get "fired" by SurfShark though...
I've never heard of the clock nor the flower auction house nor a Dutch auction. I knew there was a lot of flower growing in the Low Countries, but that was about it. Thanks for the education.
I met one of the auctioneers several years ago. While it's true that you can bid from wherever in the world, being closer to the "source" can save you lots of money.
All comes down to the clocks and the latency of your connection with the auction system. Just physically being closer to the auction servers can save you some miliseconds, which on larger scale means €€€. Of course the quality of your internet connection matters even more, so a lot of effort is put info getting the best option available.
This is similar to the connections to the stock markets. NYSE has a long fibre cable installed on their local network to delay the packets, so that trading from the "inside" does not have the advantage over traders from the "outside". I believe Tom made a video about that some time ago.
latency is part of why they have 35 different clocks now.
Tom did make a video about that, but I don't think it was NYSE. It was a much smaller market.
Same principle in many video games.
As a dutch speaking Belgian, it was a nice change to just hear a dutch guy speak dutch and seeing subtitles for everyone who doesn't understand dutch, instead of somebody trying to explain things in broken English with a hilarious dutch accent oversimplifying things because they are working with the English vocabulary readily available in their brain at the moment, or being annoyingly dubbed.
Now if only you Belgians would stop speaking broken Dutch, we'd all be happy.
On the other hand, if you don’t speak Dutch, then you can’t consume this video without seeing it. That’s unfortunate for vision-impaired folks (especially since the subtitles are burned in and are not visible to text-to-speech software), and for people who put RUclips in the background while doing something else.
Only a little annoying for me who was listening in the background while playing a game, had to tab out to read. But I could understand a surprising amount! (I'm a swede)
@@Kwpolska I fully agree. I would prefer if there are no burnt in subs at all, so if you don't speak dutch (or any other non-english language) you have to turn on subs. It would be a wonderuful way (and maybe slightly forced) to emphasize the work which went in the subtitles (Tom hires a company to make these, they are really well done - like the last video where he cooks - the subs are at the top, not covering the ingredients he is working on. Or others, where every person got its own color).
Or at least add the same burnt in subs as regular subs aswell. That subtitle company will most certainly do that if it gets told to do so.
speaking "Belgian"? Do you just mean "Flemish, Flamish? idk" or can you educate me what "Belgian" is
i like onions
A hundred percent!!
This idea I like, please make this tom
Tom Scott's Guide To The Galaxy
There is already a fan made map of Tom Scott video locations, have a look!
@@Veerlejf how do i find it?
I genuinely love this ad. It feels honest, rather than buzzword-y ad-speak
Only Tom Scott can arrive where he's going fully prepared and then find out what he came to see was no more AND still be able to make an interesting video about it anyways.
You can always count on Tom Scott to educate you on something you never knew you wanted to be educated on or need to. I’ve seen tulip fields and farms but I never knew it was such a huge logistical thing with selling/buying flowers.
Good farmers/growers care about their product and the quality at which it reaches the consumer. This is true all around the world I would hope but it certainly is in the Netherlands. So that's why the people who grow these flowers started this marketplace and made it as efficient as possible with the technology available to them at the time, and as Tom points out in his video it is still updated whenever the need arises. This means that a perishable product like a flower that's cut from it's roots can be sold and shipped so fast, internationally even, that it will still stand fresh in a vase in your living room for a week or more.
I think it very much speaks to Dutch culture that we (most of the time) have no problem replacing or changing traditions if it means getting more efficient.
so dutch tradition is ditching old traditions?
They haven't broken down the rooms for the sake of nostalgia I'm guessing.
@@bartbatenburg Maybe they just haven't found another use for them yet. Maybe they can start a concert series.
@@ohiasdxfcghbljokasdjhnfvaw4ehr emphasis on the ditch :D
"Tradition is about nurturing the flame, not worshipping the ashes."
Had such a blast shooting this together with you! I think it turned out great 🔥
You're one of the few people who are honest about your sponsor. You use the product and speak from experience rather than spew out whatever their marketing team asks you to say.
You do realize that they are obligated to say that they personally use it, right? Doesn't make it true.
Bless you for this sponsor spot, especially after your video about VPNs and honesty. As someone with mild understanding of the inner workings of computers and the internet, I'm happy how the sponsor was not about security claims, but rather examples of real-world use by average people. Also thank you for calling out US sites not even bothering to comply with GDPR, they deserve a mention in negative light.
Well, to be honest, the EU sites, that conply in a way that they force you ro accept everything, or decline 200 things one by one, are even worse imho. It's like a giant F.U. for the user
Complying with GDPR is not a trivial cost. If you can save on a cost without affecting the number of customers you have, then great!
@@haxney it would be easy (-ier), if companies did not try to find ways how to get people agree to collect and sell their data...
that was supposed to be the whole point of the legislation.
@@haxney Thank you, I agreed with OP until he hit this point. Even more so if the sites aren't even expecting lots of European traffic, why go out of your way?
if only companies would not do bad things without being forced to 😔
I'm not sure what surprises me the most: that the clock is gone or that Tom Scott is running a VPN ad. But I'm not a stickler for tradition, and I loved every minute of it.
Also, my Dutch is good enough that I didn't need the subtitles at all. Nice.
Heyy congrats!
It's almost like, in a warehouse full of flowers, NJB could smell the bikes!
Like your videos, real eye opener to how poor the rest of the world plans it’s urban developments
Hey. Like your video. Any plan to make a video relate to Chinese city?
I honestly would love a Not Just Bikes and Tom Scott cross-over
I was there, in that warehouse, 22 years ago when i was 12, as part of a group tour :)
I didnt understand what was going on, it was so overwhelming, but the flowers were very nice to look at, we even took a picture of this!
I saw this building when I flew into the netherlands and could fathom what it was, it was just this mega roof.
But I had no data on my phone and the few people I asked just seemed confused at what I was talking about and I quickly forgot about it on our trip through europe.
Now I remember my intrigue that day and now I know what it was.
Thanks Tom!
Interesting fun fact if you ever visit Schiphol Airport: The train tunnel to the airport houses a never used branch to this flower auction! Its called the 'flower tunnel' (geez, aren't we original here) but it never got finished or used for its desired purpose. Its located if you travel from Hoofddorp to Schiphol Airport on the right side. Its not that special, but its something... You might not have known. ^_^
This abandoned railway track would have been a perfect approach for @TheTimTraveller to deal with the same video topic, just from another perspective. :D
Dat wist ik nait
Wow, never knew that! Thanks for this info, will definitely try to spot it next time I travel on the Schiphol Line!
I work at RFH but I really never know that the tunnel was never finished? Everyone always told me it was in use hahaha. (Note to co-workers: STOP TELLING ME LIES!!
@@mariuskreuder Hi @TheTimTraveller this is an incredible idea!
as a florist, seeing where my flowers come from and the absolute scale of the place is insane! amazing video
Where do you work from? Interesting
@@pazcatapano5258 i am based in the UK
@@regularcoffee9007 sorry for the weird question, I just wanted to know how far all these flowers travel! And thanks for answering ☺️
I was at the exact place from the intro during spring break, climbing up those windmills is absolutely gorgeous.
2:56 Their word for "flower" is "bloomin," that is fantastic.
> This clock was famous, but the internet ruined it.
Man, that must've gotten the owners ticked, good thing you got all the minute details
it's time to stop
@@NickiRusin LVOVOPVOJFOVHEIOUJ HIOUH G
@@NickiRusin don't be so alarmist
I second this notion
@@NickiRusin No, keep the gears turning
I love that you found the most stereotypical Dutch backdrop to film against! I love your videos about The Netherlands, just something about the Dutch and logistics I guess. And of course special appearance by a bicycle.
And because you are Dutch, and we love to hear and see foreigners talk about our country. It's something I've been seeing for years now on youtube. There are entire channels that 'exploit' this fact. "American reacts to poffertjes" or similar titled videos :D Anyway, same here .
Dutch people are interesting.
Not just stereotypical; also typical, frankly.
@@wfmg7235 dankje
hey tom, i was at royal flora holland two weeks ago and the clock was still running. it might be that it isnt running for flowers anymore but it is for sure running for outdoor plants!
Thanks for having a section of the video in Dutch, most of us speak English (as you probably knew already) so having our own language out there online is a nice thing to see! My opinion on the video will be in Dutch this time: Zeer interessante video, hij geeft een goed kijkje binnen de veiling. En zelfs ik als Nederlander wist niet dat de klok weg was... Jammer :(
A funnier version of this was when they had a monarch changeover, and simultaneously changed their Queen's Day national celebration, on 30/04, to King's Day on the 27th. For a couple of years, sad groups of tourists could be seen on the 30th, all dressed up in orange and wondering where the party was
This guy can make ‘watching paint dry’ sound interesting.
Did pointcrow not?
"Next, on Tom Scott; Observing the dehydration of chromatic emulsions".
@@euansmith3699 aww sweet!
like rtgame
Large R&D facility of a paint/varnish company would probably be quite interesting.
When I read this as "The internet ruined it" I thought someone on twitter complained about the "unfairness of the clock"
I find it very refreshing to hear Tom be someone who level headedly reminds us that the word is ever changing and you cant hold onto everything of the past, things have to change because the world is a great big business and we have to pick and choose what traditions to keep alive but they can't be things that actively get in the way of our daily infrastructure and way of life and you can't be selfish demanding that something has to stay around just because you like it or it looks cool, that just isn't how the world works.
Tom Scott getting sponsored by a VPN is quite surprising given that he single-handedly changed how VPN sponsorships are handled. Thought they’d be too upset at him to allow that
The VPN always wins
They also know that if, after watching that video, we see Tom accepting a sponsorship, it's a legitimately good product.
An endorsement from a famous critic is worth more than a thousand endorsements from anyone else.
@@HALLish-jl5mo that is quite true
If I remember correctly, it was N__VPN that was going to sponsor his original video, right? If so, this is extra ironic.
@@Minchandre Looks like they both won? Nord gets the sponsorship but Tom gets to make it right.
Thanks for letting my fellow Dutchie speak in Dutch. IMHO having your guest speak their native language always works best to capture nuances and get a story without stuttering.
I liked hearing "Vatikanstad". I'm also a sucker for those diphthongs you can only get in Dutch, such as 'ij' and 'ui'.
When he did the video about the french guy flying with birds it was so pleasant that I did not have to read the subs at all and could just listen to everyone talk 😄
Also I'd like to ask you a question about dutch, I wanted to know if the guy from the interview had kind of an accent or if that could be considered standard dutch ? Because to my french ears he sounded like a french-belgian guy (or very north French) and i wondered if that was an accent or just the regular way to talk ! Thanks 😄
@@cavaleriedesmarresetdesguetres About the accent of the interviewed person. If I had to guess as a native speaker I'd say he's somewhere from the province South-Holland, judging the way he pronounces his R's mostly. But other than that, he spoke nearly without any accent at all.
Tom is the guy who always reads the terms and conditions
Living closeby, I do remember these clocks on fairs where it was some kind of game who would get the closest could win a price. Thought is was quite well known that these clocks weren't in use anymore but interesting that it isn't documented.
Worked here for a few years when I was a teenager, getting rid of cardboard waste, getting empty carts all over the place and working in the fridges were some of the thing we did mostly. Really had a lot of fun there and on days when it rained a lot (and I wasn't working there) I often also cycled from one end to the other because no wind and rain in there. Really great seeing a video, wish I knew you were visiting Tom!
That Rickroll in Dutch though, well played! Hope you had a good time in The Netherlands and would love to see more stuff filmed here if you ever get the chance to visit again.
So that's what that was!
6:13
Oh hahaha! I thought I heard "Ik zal je nooit hoop geven" and felt like I was missing a joke, but this makes way more sense 😂
ok
Confirm after translating it.
Tom, as always - you deliver! Thanks for your short, comprehensive films!
Even with half your script binned before you landed, your videos are still succinct, informative, and entertaining.
I wish i could write as well as you, Tom.
Ok but i am REALLY interested in how they "solved" the latency issue. How the heck did they do that?!
A sort of standard way is to standardise ping. Like, everyone gets 50ms ping no matter what, the "delay" is artificial adding time to the real ping that is perceived.
If I had to guess, the system tracks how long from the moment the clock started on the customer's computer until that customer hits the button. Then, network latency is irrelevant. It's all about the nanoseconds from when your computer said start and you said stop.
Maybe bids are placed in advance? From what they showed the digital clock moved really fast
I assume that they buffer all the bids and compare them to pick a winner; hold off on picking a winner long enough for everyone to place a bid. Either that, or Time Machines.
I think the latency doesn't matter. your client sends the price when you clicked and the system checks the highest price that someone clicked for because that person clicked the earliest from the moment the clock started running
That Nord plug was nice.
I like how you took what you discussed about that kind of thing in a video a while back about things like "end to end encryption" just being a selling tactic because everything already does that, and didn't mention it here.
The review comes across as honest and personal, and I appreciate that :)
ok
@@thikim7056 ok
No hate to Tom for this, but dude that's how corporations get you... Tom is a youtuber making a living and he did this because it gets him money. He may be genuine with it, but starting to think that RUclipsrs are your friends advertising things because they're being honest and personal is... not good.
I usually skip these sponsors, but occasionally one is well made, so I do watch it (Jay Foreman does good ads). It appears they don't say this anymore anyway. I guess because it is nowadays well known that encryption is not a problem without VPN.
The only real advantage of a VPN is spoofing your location, but you have to trust yet another company that you don't know all the details about.
I absolutely hate ads, I think it's disgusting, but this is more in the wheelhouse of recommending something that you personally use which I'm more okay with.
I'm Dutch and grow up in the region. I remember visiting the museum about this in my youth. In the museum the previous version of that clock and auction room where on display, while the more modern (but still) analog clock was still running for business. I wonder if the museum is still existing and the ancient clock still to see?
I've been there many times, my dad used to transport flowers! I had no idea about the scale of it or the whole clock thing though. Not what I was expecting when I clicked on this video, but a very welcome surprise!
The "stop the clock" thing reminds me of that circle of lights game in arcades where you try to land on just the right one.
Did you see Marc Rober's video on those? It's a few years old now but to the surprise of nobody it's not as random as it appears
As Dutch person I've visited another flower auction over here (another location of Flora Holland) when I was 10 and they reserved one of the auction rooms for a few groups of students and we had to play as if we were buying flowers etc.
It was such a fun experience as a kid. I believe they still use the rooms as educational room.
That was probably the admins testing a new system version. Nobody finds programming errors and oversights like a bunch of kids with their mothers.
You are DUTCH???!!! HOW INTERESSANT!!!....
Great quality video again Tom, really nice to see you shooting so many videos in the Netherlands. Any reason in particular that you visit our country so much? Cheers!
As a software engineer, I'd be interested how they have managed to solve the latency issue of their online auctions.
Last that I know of (information from 2016&2017) is that they did not compensate for latency in Aalsmeer but they had done a test in Naaldwijk where the client on the buyer side communicated the price on which the buyer had pressed the button. If multiple buyers had pressed the button in say 30ms the buyer which client reported the highest price would get the buy. So you might see the clock jump back up if an buyer with a high latency had pressed. That was one way they (at that time) intended to compensate for latency. I'm actually not quite sure if this has been implemented because of the rivalry within Royal FloraHolland between the Aalsmeer and Naaldwijk locations.
Tom: "I need it to look professional and it to look good with me in frame"
also Tom: "OoO windmill"
THAT is how you do a VPN ad. Thank you.
I have been annoyed at VPN ads for the longest time, even before Tom's video on it. People say VPN ads have changed since then, but if they didn't continue outright lying, they still lied plenty by omission.
This, however, does not imply anything false. (Very common: Hackers can easily steal your data unless you use a VPN. False. Or the internet provider can see everything you do on the internet without a VPN. Also false - not nearly everything - but it is true your provider will see less if you use a VPN - instead, the VPN provider gets to see that now.)
And that last point is the kicker, and is *never* mentioned in the ads, even this one. Can you trust a VPN company more than you trust your ISP? What country are they storing your data in, and are their laws about privacy, and providing backdoors to government agencies, laxer than your own?
You mean by rickrolling people halfway through the ad? ;)
agree
Psst.. Sponsor block!
@@jammin023 well, nord had external auditors inspect the system they have in place and found thst no logs were saved
And if anything if a government wants information on you it gets it.
my opa had part in starting the united flower growers auction in vancouver canada. Sat in on the auction a number of times, and witnessed my dads dismay with the changes to the system
It's cool seeing the place i deliver to on a daily basis in a video.
I can confirm that it's truly massive.
Funny that you even included that stupid inverted speedbump down on the flowerfloor. 🤣
You know it's a good vid when Tom said he had to throw out his script because everything changed
What changed?
@@Vanguardkl There is no auction in the building. Did you watch the video?
The sight of those employees driving around forklifts in the warehouse, in a seemingly unorganized fashion looks just as chaotic as regular everyday Dutch bicycle traffic. Never change Netherlands, never change
I feel like huge warehouses are just the perfect location for Tom Scott videos. So much to film.
I used to live in Aalsmeer! There's a bus line to a neighbouring town that passes through the terrain of the auction. There's 4 stops on the terrain itself so people are able to commute into work easily. It's huge!
Tom SCott endorsing a VPN service... my my, I think thats more of the moral of the story here, than a flower auction clock going away. Parallels can be drawn!
care to elaborate
I've seen so many creators criticize VPNs recently, I feel like I've missed a memo?
@@kiix They don't really solve any of the privacy problems that they often claim to solve. The ISP might not see your internet traffic, but they can see you using the VPN, and the VPN provider can see your internet traffic, and it can be subpoenaed just as easily as the ISP. Tom's use case of "I just need an overseas IP address" is probably the most realistic, but even then it's often against the ToS of those visited sites to use a VPN or proxy.
@@GayIncel In the video he explains how the auction clock disappeared because in business traditions are broken with when efficiency can be improved. Followed by tom breaking with his tradition of disliking VPN sponsor deals because for his business it actually helps his efficiency.
I worked in the technical end of the auction industry as it was all moving online in the 2000s and learned about the Dutch auction style, though it is rarely used. Had no idea it comes from the flower auctions but it totally makes sense.
Thank you for putting the ad at the end of the video
I did not just open google translate to get rick rolled...
Always fun to see a video in The Netherlands
Having the clocks account for latency like he claims they do seems like a really interesting distributed systems problem.
I want to know if you can make it look like your packets are coming from the other side of the world, when they're actually coming from next door. Seems possible, but not my area of expertise.
@@stefansynths I think for that to bypass any security they might have implemented you'd actually have to send your packets there, which would then again but you at a disadvantage. But I don't think they even did it that way at all.
can't they just have the client send whatever number was displayed locally (so no calibration needed) and have the server wait for half a second before picking the highest bid
then lower ping couldn't benefit anyone because the only time the server sends something is when the bid is already over
Just having it send certain bits of information, like the amount that was bid with and comparing it to everyone else would be enough. Whichever one pushed it at a higher number will be the purchaser at that point, latency wouldn't be a huge deal with that.
Kind of sad seeing this tradition ended, but it makes sense. Thanks for the update!
the way you tied that ad to the theme of the video! 👌💯👏👏👏
I can't believe I got rickrolled in Dutch
It always makes me happy when someone makes a video about my country hehe. Also: there are actually still small auctions that use a clock, or auction houses that do re-enactments. I went to one as a kid once. I ended up accidentally forcing my mom to pay €5 for an apple hahaha!
What language do you guys speak there
@@Ban00 Dutch
@@Ban00 Nederlands :) (Dutch in Dutch)
I am Dutch and I had never heard of this. Thanks for sharing!
Here's what they could do to bring back a little of the traditional and increase the tourist enjoyment. Mini auctions for tours. Like have the clock restored to analog and then auction bouquets of flowers for the tourists. Money and tradition.
I'm Dutch and I'm sad to learn this has changed without me knowing, even though I didn't know that much about it to begin with.
Edit: AND SO GREAT that you kept the language in Dutch, I always love it when there are two languages (with the subtitles) because they both add a different nuance. :D
For any language Subs > Dubs
I could've told him already ;) even as an eighties kid, I only know the electronic LED-based clocks (with rotating LED-lights instead of a physical clock) from the Klokhuis episodes in the nineties, when they would explain about the flower-auction.
Im glad they did, usuall ppl who are pushed to speak in english here get in a painfull habbit of mixing and messing up words and just quickly drop the word in dutch and move on. Started seeing that years ago on discovery and as a fellow dutchman i hated it.
@@rasenche4562 On the other hand I'm always surprised how bad Dutch people from big international operating countries are at speaking English...
Unfortunately, subtitles don’t help blind people, like I am… and sadly, when I was young, our neighbors language wasn’t taught in school…
Greetings from Düsseldorf!
I'm Dutch and I love how at 0:30 you can hear that Tom took the time to practice the Dutch pronunciation of Aalsmeer. It's not necessary for the video but shows he cares about the language and culture and I love it!
I was able to pronounce it just as he did with one try. Probably just asked someone and did the same. That's kinda how we learn languages anyways, nothing strange about it...
@@GRAYgauss many occurences of English people trying to pronounce words I said to them very slowly have shown it's not that easy. You must be lucky being able to do it
@@GRAYgauss also, you hear it as an englishman trying to pronounce it as a dutchman. I hear it as a dutchman listening to an enhlishman tryin to pronounce it as a dutchman. There is an incredible world of difference between the speaker of the language and the foreigner in terms of sound recognition so I suggest returning to your research :)
He's so good about language. Probably due to his degree in linguistics. Or are linguistic credentials due to his being good with languages 🤔
You are DUTCH??!!! HOW INTERESSANT!!!....
I recently visited Daimler in Detroit MI as they are a client of ours. HUGE factory, a huge majority of the workers rode bikes back and forth to collect parts, I think that's fairly common here.
I actually went to a similar warehouse when i went to Amsterdam around 8 years ago for an international competition. It was kinda random but it was nice to see all the flowers. And the whole front lawn of the building was just huge flowerbeds, of course.
There was an episode of the old Dutch TV show "Bassie en Adriaan" where they visited one of those clocks and showed how it worked. It was actually in a series "Reis door Europa" (Trip through Europe), where they visited every country of the (at the time, not yet formed and therefore future) European Union.
To any Dutch person who didn't grow up watching them, you missed something. To any Dutch kid reading this: please look it up, it's so good.
@@GreatLordEli En de regenjas van B100 is ook nog steeds niet van een gat voorzien voor de antenne ;)
Istg Tom Scott is the only RUclips that can get me to watch a nord vpn sponsorship, it just feels really genuine
It's because he doesn't go and spew the usual "oh secure your password from attackers etc", we know his reputation, we know that he knows what he's talking about (just like the Dashlane sponsorship on his Basics videos) so we consider things he endorses more.
Have you seen internet historians ads?
internet historian: am i joke to you
“In the business world, tradition is rarely more important than money.”
Well said. Couldn’t be closer to the truth.
Tom Scott maybe the only person able to make a video bashing about a service and then STILL hire by that service to run ad on it.
Amazing is an understatement.
2:08 even in the giant buildings, the dutch still bike
I miss *real* auction marketplaces where you bid in person, paid in cash, destroyed the item with your bare hands, and then drove to the seller for your full refund.
I did not expect to enjoy this video. Tom, you have a great quality of making anything engaging and worth being passionate about.
I remember as a kid going to the auctiond. My grandmother allowed me to press the button. I think i bought 1 kg of mandarins for 5 euro's. Not the best buy but I was so anxious to be the winning bidder.
That ending might be the best variant for that I've ever seen. More than any, i think it might convince me to give it a try.
You know it is good when you get rickrolled in another language.
If you get a VPN one thing I would recommend: all the big VPN-services have 30-days money back guarantee.
So that's already more than half a year of VPN for free.
Having been inside the FloraHolland myself i can only agree with the camera not being able to pick up proper scale. It's like an ant hill with all the packing going on when it's busy and how well optimized people are at driving the picking trucks in there.
This video reminds me of Queen's Day. A national holiday on which we celebrate the current royal's birthday. Except we now have a king and he moved the date. So every year a few tourists show up on the wrong date, expecting an orange-themed extravaganza... Only to be disappointed it's a normal day.