I just sat through a 10 min + video about fuel efficiency. Why? Because it was well made, well structured, interesting and clearly delivered. Nice one mate!
@@EuFaloDeCarro oh, believe me. if you're someone who's into motorcycles and has been on youtube for a while for intellectual motorcycle vids, there's a 99% chance of you watching Ryan's vids. If you're into squidding, on the other hand.. :v
It may sound kind of stupid, but you're teaching an old dog some new tricks. Your manner of delivery is honest, open, friendly, and non condescending. Well done young feller. After nearly a life time of riding, I find myself watching your shows, applying some of your insights, and get even more enjoyable rides as a result. Well done young sir.
He's the one making me want to ride, same with Revzilla, meanwhile Squid Tips makes me never want to ride because he's always so pissed at cars, insinuating an Us vs Them mentality and that to ride, I must push an anti-car agenda
Seriously, I think Ryan is the only guy on Earth who could sell me a tank bag with the argument for better fuel efficiency being the main selling point.. I wonder if he realizes his own genius
I wanna see the writing team. Don't doubt ryan's comedic and informative ability. But he has said many times that it's a team. LET US SEE THE TEAM. camera pans It's a room of ryan clones.
I changed the sprockets on my F800GS to +2 front sprocket and -1 rear, sits about 600rpm lower at cruising speed which cuts the vibrations way down. That alone made it worth it, even without being able to get 220 miles out of a tank (non-adventure)!
1) Acceleration Sense: Where possible time your approaches to avoid standing starts. 2) Short-shift: Use more throttle to less RPM before upshifts. 3) Draft: Take advantage of large vehicles close to your desired speed. Leave reaction space but still within the moving eddys for reduced drag benefit.
Yeah , I do that. Also, Using low rpm in top gears gives you mileage but make engine fill with unburden fuel deposit. use fuel additives or you can burn them to a limit by Italian tuneup.
Some engines doesn't like low rpm. I used to do that just to save gas but my mechanic screamed at me for doing that. He said some engines can take it and some engines don't. If you have a motor that has a huge torque low end then by all means but short shifting a 600cc 17k reving bike is gonna hurt it. Im a harley guy and I bought cbr600rr just for shits and giggle so i adopted my mannerisms of really short shifting my bike. Hell, in my harley i could slowly takeoff without even revving and immediately shift to 2nd, then 3rd, then 4th then 5th... All without revving past 1100rpm as long as the road is not in a incline. I borrowed an re interceptor 650 and i can feel that bike doesn't like shifting below 2500 specially if i have a pillion rider.
What!!! I ride a KLR. Listen here Joffrey. I'm not a cheap bastard. I didn't just spend all day hacking foam out of the stock seat to lower the ride height because I didn't want to pay for the appropriate suspension. Ok, well maybe I did. BUUUUUUUTTT I did B-U-Y the hacksaw...Welllll I bought the blade because I didn't want to spend the money on buying the handle as well. AHA, I've got it. I spent my hard earned dollar bills on the staple gun I needed. Then again, I did keep the packaging in perfect condition so I can get a refund when I take it back. Oh god...I'm a cheap, penny-pinching KLR rider. Does anyone have a GS there looking to get rid off? Second hand...cos...you know. As always, awesome video mate. Except for the KLR crack. *Wanders off grumbling in the cheapest way possible.
@@HotRodseventy7 I paused the video for this same reason! Sometimes I miss my KLR, but then when its mid winter and I fire up the fuel injected bike, I don't..
Also, for those heavier folks out there, every pound you loose, is a pound less for your bike to haul. Doesn’t matter as much for cars, but it’s a noticeable difference, especially on smaller bikes. Another added bonus is that you’ll be in better shape.
One of the best “ cruise control “ devices I have ever used on a motorcycle and I’ve been using them since 1967 is free. An elastic band wrapped on the handle bar between the grip and the right hand switch and front brake lever block clamped to the handle bar. It provides enough friction to prevent the throttle from rolling back on its own even when you take your hand off the grip but yet is easy to roll back the throttle as you would normally when slowing and your wallet hasn’t felt a pinch. When one elastic wears out as they tend to do over time simply replace the elastic that was used to hold a bunch of carrots together from your grocery store. Free. It’s worked for me for over 50 years on a dozen bikes.
Fuel hauler nerd here. You'll note the labels say "*may* contain upto 10% ethanol" it's not for sure and has to be there even if the station buys ethanol free gas since the truck could have delivered e10 previous to that load. Another note is refineries and fuel terminals typically don't produce an actual "Mid-Grade" gasoline anymore and thus anything sold in between regular and premium is a mix of the two done at the pump. You'll see the fills at a station are colour coded. White is regular, red is premium and yellow is diesel. So if you're at a station with ethanol free premium and you buy 89 you have a 5%(ideally) ethanol content. You can check pump gas for ethanol by putting a small amount of water in a water bottle and marking the level. Then add gas and shake. Water and gasoline do not mix however ethanol is hygroscopic like brake fluid meaning it absorbs water. When you shake the mixture the water will strip the ethanol from the gas and mix with it. After shaking let it settle and note the water level vs the line.
Chevron in bc canada 94oct shows ethanol free, same with shell 91 v power ethanol free. Both are 0 ethanol. I use 94 in pre much whatever, bikes dont like ethanol either
wow that has got to be one of the most informative youtube comment's I've ever read. Any estimates on how long all the plastic bits in carbs last with 5% ethanol? I do make sure the carbs are dry and clean before storing but other than that I'm kind of just hoping they hold together
Ethanol only eats certain rubbers. I forget which ones, but most aftermarket rubber parts for all types of vehicles are ethanol safe. The real pain in the ass is that ethanol does not burn as well as gasoline. E10 fuel reduces mpg's by 5-10%.
In many third-world countries I've driven through, I've often been recommended to buy "premium" gas even if my bike doesn't require it. Many of these countries also only have two levels of unleaded - no mid-grade. I figure this is for one or more of the following reasons: 1. The premium is simply made at a higher standard and in a third-world country you might worry that the lower grade (which is sold at the lowest possible price to serve the overwhelming majority of poor people) is made BELOW standards. 2. The premium might not have (as much?) ethanol. 3. It's just the grown-up version of the useless elementary-school myth that more octane makes you go faster.
Setting aside the option of simply riding slower the two biggest factors to fuel efficiency I've found are: 1. Aerodynamic drag of big hard saddle bags (on my Tiger 800 or my dad's R1200gs we're talking 45mpg with, versus versus 55mpg without). 2. Limit acceleration and braking. That doesn't mean riding slowly, but simply carrying more speed into and through turns, to avoid having to brake hard into them and having to accelerate hard out of them. Staying in a higher gear helps here as well (lower revs, less acceleration out of turns). We may scoff at the idea of caring about fuel efficiency on a motorcycle, but who here hasn't found themselves a long way from a gas station, say 250 miles into a tank of gas, wondering if you're going to make it.
Excellent vid, I am a KLR owner and I didnt even mind your dig at our overall cheapness...to us its a badge of honour :), but seriously really enjoyed your well organised and structured content. Your delivery as always was excellent as well.
Could it be? Original and extremely high quality content on youtube? WOW. seriously, dude, you are amazing. These tips are soooo good and will help everyone that is new or already experienced in riding motorcycles. Subbed.
You want to lose major weight off your motorcycle? Switch to a lithium iron phosphate battery. I saved 10 full pounds compared to the OEM. 10 POUNDS! And it is a more powerful battery.
@@JensEskildsen is the lithium battery move expensive than OEM? Yes it is. Does it last 2 or 3 times longer than OEM? Yes it does. Does a 10 pound lighter bike save you gas every ride? Yes it does. Is it worth the cost after all things are considered? That is up to you. For me it is totally worth it.
@@roythearcher really? They work fine for me in Canada and I ride all winter. I know guys who put them in their snowmobiles and they have no complaints. The cold has never been an issue IRL.
If it counts Ryan, your channel is the only one I subbed to because of the intellect behind the content. All the others are just for the entertainment. You should work in advertisements. Pure pitching genius. Never seen anyone pitch their point in under 10 seconds like you do.
I like how this was filmed with the producer chiming in here and making making it seem more off the top rather than scripted which I dont mind either its just something you dont see to much on RUclips videos. Two likes up.
@@joby602 Aluminium lasts pretty much as long as the steel does but requires more frequent maintanence. Having a slack chain would affect it during sudden acceleration, since it's not as brittle as the latter one.
Renthal (brand) Sprockets are super light in comparison to standard Steel sprockets. The make a pretty good claim about their longevity. I have Renthal on my Fireblade. Maybe check them out.
"We actually give a shit saving gas on a motorcycle" Man i love motorcycles but i also live in Portugal and i pay $1.86 PER LITER. Off course i care about saving gas. Great video again...
I have been impressed by almost all of the content this channel but for those not in the know, K&N air filters are prone to letting dust through if you ride offroad or other dry, dirty, places. Clean streets and tracks are the only place for a K&N filter. Foam and paper are the best choices for everywhere else. They are also way easier to clean /replace.
I was riding back home to Vegas from Portland on a CB300R I just bought. When I saw a sign saying next gas 163 miles, my bike holds 2.6 gallons. I slowed to 55mph, filled up at the first station 2.4 gallons. I saw a air filter test and KandN filter let 12 times as much dirt by as paper does. My engine is more important than a little gas savings. I would recommend adding one tooth to your drive sprocket, better for your chain too!
Cheap bastards... KLR owners. Really Ryan?! You better hope that I never run into you in Vancouver. Cause if I do... I'll have to stop and tell you how awesome the channel is and how I'm a huge fan.
I was able to hit 75 MPG (U.S.) in my brother's twin spark SV650S. Lots of tucking and *gasp* pulling in the clutch and coasting. It is pretty nice to see 200 miles go by without a fuel light ever coming on. I also had to tape off about 3/4 of the already pretty small radiator just to see 170F water temps(it was 45F outside, which was part of that). I'm hoping to get my own and mod the piss out of it specifically for fuel economy. I'm shooting for 100 MPG.
Lubing the chain should give you better fuel economy, with more power getting to the rear wheel. The friction is very noticeable on lower powered bikes. If only there was an oil sealed chain guard so you could run the chain permanently in oil (similar to a timing chain).
Rule of thumb seems to be for every 13°C/ 25°F drop in intake air temp, octane required drops by 1 full octane rating. Octane needed also drops as you climb higher in elevation. Not a fuel economy thing as such but can save some coin over a year.
@@piayarider7542 LOL, wow I didn't even see that.. It's because he didn't actually reply to the bloke, to me it looked like he was calling me another millenial monster. Rodrigo! You have my apologies for my mistake :O Sorry!!!!
😂🤣😂 Just returned to riding after a couple of decades layoff and just bought myself a new Suzuki SV650. Aren’t coping with the fuel consumption. My old 2006 Holden Commodore Ute used to use about 50 litres every 400kms here in Australia and would cost me about $120 AUD to refuel while the new bike so far has got 280km out of just over 10 litres and last time cost me a staggering $20. Working it out in the old money that’s about 59 miles per imperial gallons where the Ute got around 24 miles per imperial gallon. Needless to say I’m watching this more for novelty. Anyway longtime viewer and its thanks to videos like yours that renewed my passion to get back to riding. Thanks again mate. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
your driving (or, riding in this case) will impact your fuel ecconomy the most, if your heavy on the pedal/throttle you use more, shift early and ride a bit slower, save fuel. Also engien break alot (but dont forget to light up the rear light)
I'm a cheap bastard and ride a Yamaha factor 150. I was born in Brazil, so every drop of gas counts! Ryan, even though most of your advices are not affordable for the major of bikers like me, who rides the simplest and popular (prices, taxes, availability), many tips are really worth putting into practice. Would love if you made a series in which you mention different bikes from the world (prices, applications, reliability). Thanks for the sharing
Summary: Get more fuel for money: Fill up in the morning / cold weather. Raise the pump hose above the tank to empty the last of the gas out of it. You paid for it already. General: Use only octane ratings your bike is rated for. Don't go higher or lower. Avoid high ethanol fuel. Don't carry more weight than you need to. Maintenance: Check and fix your spark plugs / carbs / injectors / jets / valve clearance. Check and clean or replace your air filter. Keep your tires inflated properly. A few PSI over is OK. A lot over is dangerous. Riding style: Ride at slower speeds. Avoid acceleration and deceleration where possible: accelerate slowly, stop slowly and early. Lane split to maintain speed. Use cruise control / throttle lock. Engine brake rather than using the brakes or coasting in neutral. Ride lower and closer to the bike. Modifications: Remap fuel delivery for better mileage. Get low rolling resistance / stiffer tires. Will decrease grip. Get a lighter sprocket. Get a lighter chain. Will require more maintenance and attention. Change sprockets to lower all RPMs. Less acceleration, maybe higher top speed. Get and use a throttle lock if you don't have one. Gear: Use a tank bag and or tail bag rather than saddle bags / panniers. Wear a full face helmet. Best bang for buck: Sprockets and chain. Ride slow, maintain speed. Keep your air filter clean.
The only reason we have ethanol in our gas is because of corn lobbyists. The amount of emissions from growing the corn, refining the corn, and then burning it is greater than just burning pure gasoline. Plus it cuts in to our food supply, causing food to cost more. Ethanol only makes sense if it comes from sugar cane, like Brazil does.
Yes, sugar cane and sugar beat sourced ethanol makes some sense, although it's still really hard on the engines. One of the annoying things I have to deal with is that the only option for ethanol free gas around here is Spirit and it's only available for the premium gas.
They are working on a GMO based sugar beet that produces insane amounts of sugar when harvest, requires far less water or fertilizers compared to corn. Grows in about half the time, and can be grown in places normally not ideal for crops. The GMO sugar beets are fast becoming the main source for Ethanol production. Soon Ethanol production will outpace other forms of alternative fuels... and hopefully one day soon will become the main source of fuel for the internal combustion engine. With GMO crops not needing the same sort of land to grow, we don't need to worry about taking away the land we need for properly grown food crops. PLUS since 100% Ethanol can run in current engines (with minor modifications), we can use it instead of petroleum based fuels. Humans will need our plastics and other polymers to continue to live. If we can reduce our requirements of fossil fuels, and save the crude oil for production, we can substantially extend our supply. After all if our current rate of consumption continues (which it is only ever increasing at exponential rates), we are going to burn through our available supply of crude oil in about 50 years (BP says 52 years, before we run out).
Brazilian here. Ethanol is not the solution, right now ethanol is more expensive than Gasoline (here) and is by far less efficient (what sucks when you have a tiny fuel tank, like in a bike). We too add ethanol to our gasoline for "green" purposes, and when I said green, i mean politic, but it's not as bad as Europe importing palm oil from Indonesia that is literally deforestating their lands in order to keep with the demand from greener fuel in the developed world. Sugar cane is a crop that requires a lot of water to proper grow, right now we do have that water to dispose, but who knows what the future will be.
@@guilhermerichter7049 Guess you missed the part of GMO sugar beets. Which require far less water them corn to grow. Plus due to the way it has been engineered, it can grow in places other crops would not. The efficiency of 100% ethanol fuel is a fault of current engine tech, designed to run on Petroleum based fuels. This is easily solved with some minor "tweaks" to the ICE. Point is, the world as we sit now has about 50 years of crude oil left, we have no choice but to seek alternative fuels.
@@JJ_ExMachina Yeah m8. I just don't mentioned the GMO sugar beats because i don't know shit about it. But in my humble opinion, the future is electric...
This is definitely the first video that comments about the efficiency of ethanol! Wicked! Ethanol is the only reason I buy 91. In Ontario I rarely see any 91 that has octane!
Selling an aluminum sprocket with smaller chain without mentioning once that the chain and sprockets life will probably be a third of what it use to be. Amazing seller skill. P.S: if there is one filtrer that you should toss to the garbage bin, it is the K&N. They will let a lot of dirt go inside your engine.
Man I wish I found your channel a lot earlier. I'm getting ready to buy my first bike in about a month or 2 and your videos are amazing. Your an inspiration man, keep up the great content!
I have a neighbor that owns an old Honda 1000r and he rides it super low RPMs even on the road, I've traveled with him ( on my own bike, a 250cc) and he always run's it like that, except that time when we were on a race track. Damn the thing did a Hudson hornet scene when it started really going, its an amazing bike
Good tips for anyone that wants to take their bike on a long trip where increasing the range of your full tank can mean the difference between arriving to your destination on schedule, and pushing your bike down the side of the road to the nearest gas station.
My Vrod Muscle does 37 miles per gallon if I drive it like an old lady lol .... super boring if u dont smack the throttle with lots of torque to make the tire screech :D
I probably get stoned to death now. However, the aluminum does wear off faster. The alternative is a aluminum disk with steeltips on the teeth. Helps you save weight and has a higher lifespan. Also, braking with the engine helps on a modern fuel injection engine. With carbs i recommend rolling in neutral. The carburettors pump gas manually and at lower rpm they pump less fuel. Also the chain gets less tension and lasts longer. These are my personal opinions and please dont kill me :) The channel is great. I have just discovered it and watch it all my free time. Greetings form Estonia!
Did you have a bad day, man? You don't seem your usual chipper self. Which is cool, no need to launch full-chip every damn day. I like the really neat conversational format used for this video. Keep the quality coming.
03:50 Come on Ryan. Tests had proven that a clean disposable air filter works as good as a top dog racing air filter. Performance air filters can only represent some marginal gain in a high HP bike, with tuned ECU.
I live and ride an 800gs in the desert, dry dust all the time. From all the sleuthing I've done and the local Motorrad mechanics I've talked to, compared to paper filters, K&N et al. lets a bit (too much) of that fine particulate matter flow through and is bad for the engine in the long run. That's how you get the power increase, bigger filter pore size, more air flow! But, if you live in Vancouver or someplace with less dust on the regular, you're probably good with a K&N.
Closed loop F.I bikes: (i.e. with lamda sensors) When you are riding for fuel economy, will not make much difference, cause the throttle valve is already blocking most of the air going in. A modern ECU will measure the mixture and adjust Open loop F.I bikes with some sensors (no lamda sensors): IF they have a map sensor (measures atmospheric pressure inside and outside the airbox), will adjust the fuel mixture for less air drawn, although less accurately, so less incoming air is compensated Carbed bikes: Less air will make the mixture richer BUT, fuel is drawn into the cylinder by the vacuum it produces, so less air going in will reduce the fuel sucked in, some carbs have tricks to compensate, some dont
scha0306 depending on if you're referring to isolated testing outside the engine area. Funny thing, during K&N testing they found the vibrations of the engine help trap particulates
@Dustin Nisbet-Jones Also important, and noted in the video is that he wasn't testing how well the filters removed debris from air, just how much power was made.
Oh my god , there are sooo much informations here, this is the first and only channel that serves an incredible original content , where do you get all of these informations, does it come from the water you drink , seriously you my friend are the hardest worker in motorcycling , great job,good luck and we hope you teach us more ........ peace✌
Sure! Motorcycle suspension is most stable when loaded under acceleration or deceleration. Even when cruising at a constant speed, the force of the engine working against gravity or wind resistance is enough to make the motorcycle feel planted. But if you coast (i.e. clutch pulled in, or in neutral, "freewheeling") the bike becomes jittery and harder to control. Hope that helps! ~RF9
@@FortNine Thank you for the succinct answer! I can't believe I got a response from the man himself! I'm star struck! Love your channel and your content. I'm always looking forward to your next videos. Keep it up!
@@FortNine Have to disagree with the recommendation for K&Ns etc. These always test higher levels of Silica (that's sand) in oil than STD filters. A STD filter still flows more than enough air when at maximum recommended mileage (or clogging). I'd never put one on a motor that I care about, although I do have one on my race bike - low overall mileage and the minor performance gain is worthwhile in this context. Other than that another very good contribution to knowledge and safety.
I uncorked my CRF300L Rally. CBR300R cams, CBR300R velocity stack, second snorkel hole in airbox, vented airbox door, Stage 1.5 91 Oct. 550 Performance tune, and get between 76mpg-53mpg. The biggest factor is my right hand and speed. If I baby it mileage goes way up. If I wring its neck or drive at highway speeds it drops like a rock.
Power commander with wide band o2, 520 chain and aluminum sprocket, lighter after market exhaust, and a bunch of other little things, you know typical upgrades... I saved roughly 30lbs of weight on the bike, and improved (in ECO mode) 10 MPG over stock... SO if I only ever rode in ECO mode, I would recoup my money in roughly 20k miles, or about 2 years, with the miles I ride. BUT since the mods also allow for an improved level of performance over stock, I do NOT ride in "ECO" mode unless I need the range. The original MPG was about 35, with the new maps and "upgraded" parts I can get very close to 50 MPG. SO instead of getting 160 miles out of a tank, I can get closer to 225 miles. For longer rides it is godsend having the ability to improve the millage so drastically, while still being able to have the extra power and performance if I so choose. All by pushing a button and switching maps. The down side of the "ECO" mode, is a huge lose in power, and very "boring" engine performance. Of course, by hitting that same button I can get "full power" mode, with about 140 HP on tap... It's can be very exciting... Of course that comes at a sacrifice of getting much lower fuel millage...
@@Roy_Godiksen Fair enough, and easy to misinterpret. Fuel economy refers to the economy of fuel though, meaning distance traveled vs volume of fuel. Most people only really care about this in terms of money saved, since volume of fuel is seen as $/gal, not necessarily gal/tank. So it's understandable that talk of fuel economy is mostly seen as a consideration of total monetary cost of gas, and thus of mileage, not the fuel "cost" of mileage. There are also people who care about fuel usage outside of it's monetary cost, and might not worry too much if they only break even, or even lose a little.
Some studies have shown that OEM air filters filter better, and after market air filters perform better but do allow larger particle through. The RUclips channel Project Farm explains this very well.
the UK is 10th on the fuelprice list, my country, the netherlands, is on number one www.worldatlas.com/articles/european-countries-with-the-most-expensive-fuel.html
I lost it at the interview scene. It’s so friggin nonsense and silly in this context to film it like that. The subtle levity and content in this channel is just top notch
Very interesting Video. Is there anyone in India who can help me find the Aluminium Sprocket like the one shown in this Video. I am looking one for a Royal Enfield Himalayan in Western Part of India, Gujarat. Fortnine I love your film making style as well. the split screens and multi character parodies are fun to watch. keep up the marvellous work.
The fact that you followed up the intro-sentence with "If you actually give a shit about saving gas on a motorcycle, right", is the sole reason i kept watching, and watched the whole video haha.
Iike you've had this video edited in a way that seems like you were being cost effective too! Very meta. Like with black screens between shots, outtakes being included, some bad vo moments. Clever dude!
Don’t use TPMS systems. They can fail and bleed all the air out of your tire while you’re riding down the freeway. Chances are your mechanic has heard of this, and my broken shoulder can back it up, too.
Hi, is it necessary to do wheel balancing after installing an external TPMS? i am worried that the additional unsprung weight might cause wheel wobble, I ride a light weight sport tourer...Thanks!
On2Wheels According to TireGard, no. These ones are only a few grams each, so not enough to make a significant unbalance. Beware of internal TPMS systems though - you have to remove the tire to install, which is a pain, and many of them are heavy enough to require rebalancing.
You're right I didn't come here to learn how to save fuel on a bike. I just enjoy watching you present things. I think exhaust gas velocity is the key more so than back pressure. exhaust pipes are a specific diameter, especially at the end in order to achieve a certain exhaust gas velocity to help scavenging. It's about balancing the good (exhaust gas velocity) with the bad (back pressure). People generally refer to bikes with low end power as being torquey. Restricting the exhaust increases gas velocity which increases scavenging at lower rpm. That can be useful if you don't use the upper rev limit (trying to save fuel for example).
Good stuff. I just drove from Phoenix to Hamilton MT, and didn't think about the distances between gas stations, until I saw "Next service 40 miles". Some towns are even seasonal, that's summer seasonal. So if you're riding cross country, it does make sense to care about saving fuel on a motorcycle. It could save you a 20 mile (that's 32 km) walk with a can of gas.
I've had numerous bikes and I track my fuel economy because it's a great indication of engine health (see Ryan's comment about air filters) and I've always done the octane experiment on everyone of them and I have NEVER SEEN IMPROVE FUEL EFFICIENCY when using a higher octane fuel..... '82 Honda CB400, '81 Zuki GS500, '78 Zuki GS1000, '84 Kai GPZ 1000, 2007 Zuki DL 1000, and '15 BMW GS 1200R
Back pressure is only necessary (and useful) in a 2 stroke engine, where the combustion stroke is shorter and the fuel (being less atomized) burns slower. On a 4 stroke engine it's unnecessary and will cost you power and efficiency. The myth that 4 stroke engines need back pressure comes from people who put huge 3" exhausts on their vehicles and lose power. This happens because of the venturi effect, gasses flow slower in a wider pipe and faster in a narrower one (until restricted by back pressure), that faster flow in a correctly sized pipe helps draw out the exhaust gasses.
Knightmare I disconnected the exhaust after the last catalytic converter on my v6 accord for a day. It lost a shitload of power down low. Didn’t change the pipe size or anything, but those 3 mufflers which were bypassed DO help. On my 4 cylinder CBR250, I changed out the original muffler for a long glasspack. Again, didn’t change pipe diameters before the muffler, and I did rejet it richer, but it lost low end power and fuel economy. Backpressure does help if done correctly, so stop parroting engineering explained with his “stop saying engines need backpressure” video. Is your engine going to blow up without backpressure? No, but it will affect how it runs.
Exactly and wrapping/ceramic coating, will promote this, by the principle of energy conservation of the flow, do to preventing wasting it, into dissipated heat. Back pressure on a 4t is like saying that 2 valves works better than 4. Engine efficiency is like not "how much water flows, at a given mass, it's how far away the jet is landing". Back pressure is like adding a screen in front of it. Two valves engines have better torque on the lower rpm range, so longer gearing is more suitable. That's what I'm after myself, longer gearing, for lower rpm coasting. I'm not interested in faster acceleration, my bike has only 11hp...
Legend has it, there was a man who took all the mods and never filled his tank again.
I heard that he had to actually remove gas from time to time.😉
I did all those mods Twice and now my bike fills it's self up.👍
Well there's got to be one, crashing right after filling at the pump is still never filling the tank again
CHUNGUS BIG they fell of and he died and then he got 324.34 mpg, gotta make sacrifices
Legend has it , the smell of gasoline was enough to run the bike
I just sat through a 10 min + video about fuel efficiency. Why? Because it was well made, well structured, interesting and clearly delivered. Nice one mate!
A video on fuel efficiency for vehicles that routinely break 40 mpg already! Yes, he is that good.
Im 14 and I ride 2 stroke dirt bikes that don’t get good mileage but i don’t care and I have no clue why I’m watching this
i don't even like working on vehicles i just like saving money
I don’t even own a bike and I still watched the whole thing.
I don't even have a motorcycle.
I can't understand why this channel doesn't have well over million subscribers, it's flipping brilliant.
I concur 110 %. Ryan is one of the best RUclipsrs on the planet.
Because they make content for riders, mainly in canada, because It is the channel's hq. How many riders there is in canada?
@@EuFaloDeCarro oh, believe me. if you're someone who's into motorcycles and has been on youtube for a while for intellectual motorcycle vids, there's a 99% chance of you watching Ryan's vids. If you're into squidding, on the other hand.. :v
@@piayarider7542 I'm a total squid. Still love Ryan fortnine content. I look forward to getting the notifications
@@EuFaloDeCarro 720,549 in 2017
It may sound kind of stupid, but you're teaching an old dog some new tricks. Your manner of delivery is honest, open, friendly, and non condescending. Well done young feller. After nearly a life time of riding, I find myself watching your shows, applying some of your insights, and get even more enjoyable rides as a result. Well done young sir.
He's the one making me want to ride, same with Revzilla, meanwhile Squid Tips makes me never want to ride because he's always so pissed at cars, insinuating an Us vs Them mentality and that to ride, I must push an anti-car agenda
Seriously, I think Ryan is the only guy on Earth who could sell me a tank bag with the argument for better fuel efficiency being the main selling point.. I wonder if he realizes his own genius
Ikr I was like " I have to get that efficiency gas tank pack"lol
@@maxpowell2157 Yup same. Luckily I already have a tank bag, and now I just feel more happy about owning it xD
I'm going to guess, yes..he realizes it; however, he isn't a dick about it which is what makes it great. Creative, funny, accurate, and educational.
I wanna see the writing team. Don't doubt ryan's comedic and informative ability. But he has said many times that it's a team. LET US SEE THE TEAM.
camera pans
It's a room of ryan clones.
True Fact: He used to sell band instruments to small towns in Iowa.
And finally, lose some weight. Less mass, more efficiency
yup, it is the best way x)
Is this Global Cycling Network? "Don't buy upgrades ride upgrades". Works better with bicycles. ;)
So time and reason for that divorce?
Ouch
I was gonna type that and sure enough first comment I see “weight reduction bro” 😂
I changed the sprockets on my F800GS to +2 front sprocket and -1 rear, sits about 600rpm lower at cruising speed which cuts the vibrations way down. That alone made it worth it, even without being able to get 220 miles out of a tank (non-adventure)!
1) Acceleration Sense: Where possible time your approaches to avoid standing starts.
2) Short-shift: Use more throttle to less RPM before upshifts.
3) Draft: Take advantage of large vehicles close to your desired speed. Leave reaction space but still within the moving eddys for reduced drag benefit.
Yeah , I do that. Also, Using low rpm in top gears gives you mileage but make engine fill with unburden fuel deposit. use fuel additives or you can burn them to a limit by Italian tuneup.
Some engines doesn't like low rpm. I used to do that just to save gas but my mechanic screamed at me for doing that. He said some engines can take it and some engines don't. If you have a motor that has a huge torque low end then by all means but short shifting a 600cc 17k reving bike is gonna hurt it. Im a harley guy and I bought cbr600rr just for shits and giggle so i adopted my mannerisms of really short shifting my bike. Hell, in my harley i could slowly takeoff without even revving and immediately shift to 2nd, then 3rd, then 4th then 5th... All without revving past 1100rpm as long as the road is not in a incline. I borrowed an re interceptor 650 and i can feel that bike doesn't like shifting below 2500 specially if i have a pillion rider.
@@r.i.p2464 lugging the engine is always bad, but being in low rpm is fine on almost any engine if you don't lug it.
What!!! I ride a KLR. Listen here Joffrey.
I'm not a cheap bastard. I didn't just spend all day hacking foam out of the stock seat to lower the ride height because I didn't want to pay for the appropriate suspension. Ok, well maybe I did. BUUUUUUUTTT I did B-U-Y the hacksaw...Welllll I bought the blade because I didn't want to spend the money on buying the handle as well. AHA, I've got it. I spent my hard earned dollar bills on the staple gun I needed. Then again, I did keep the packaging in perfect condition so I can get a refund when I take it back. Oh god...I'm a cheap, penny-pinching KLR rider. Does anyone have a GS there looking to get rid off? Second hand...cos...you know.
As always, awesome video mate. Except for the KLR crack. *Wanders off grumbling in the cheapest way possible.
@Skodaman2 Ha. Yes! Yeah, I love my KLR.
Don't think you're gonna find a Dynojet fuel controller to work on a KLR lol
@@HotRodseventy7 I paused the video for this same reason! Sometimes I miss my KLR, but then when its mid winter and I fire up the fuel injected bike, I don't..
I have a GS in all I do is hemorrhage money. 😪
@@Thetdubs12 I feel the pain now will be selling my carb bike for FI bike its becoming a little bit frustrating on these 30°F mornings
Also, for those heavier folks out there, every pound you loose, is a pound less for your bike to haul. Doesn’t matter as much for cars, but it’s a noticeable difference, especially on smaller bikes. Another added bonus is that you’ll be in better shape.
Watch out with the fat guys. You will hurt their McFeelings.
Its always a good day when FortNine uploads.
Agree
@Counterattack hes joe swanson
Shut up you kripple....
;)
M_S You can’t talk like that to an officer of the law.
Unfortunately, this time he misses the mark as often as he hits it.
One of the best “ cruise control “ devices I have ever used on a motorcycle and I’ve been using them since 1967 is free. An elastic band wrapped on the handle bar between the grip and the right hand switch and front brake lever block clamped to the handle bar. It provides enough friction to prevent the throttle from rolling back on its own even when you take your hand off the grip but yet is easy to roll back the throttle as you would normally when slowing and your wallet hasn’t felt a pinch. When one elastic wears out as they tend to do over time simply replace the elastic that was used to hold a bunch of carrots together from your grocery store. Free. It’s worked for me for over 50 years on a dozen bikes.
Fuel hauler nerd here. You'll note the labels say "*may* contain upto 10% ethanol" it's not for sure and has to be there even if the station buys ethanol free gas since the truck could have delivered e10 previous to that load.
Another note is refineries and fuel terminals typically don't produce an actual "Mid-Grade" gasoline anymore and thus anything sold in between regular and premium is a mix of the two done at the pump. You'll see the fills at a station are colour coded. White is regular, red is premium and yellow is diesel. So if you're at a station with ethanol free premium and you buy 89 you have a 5%(ideally) ethanol content.
You can check pump gas for ethanol by putting a small amount of water in a water bottle and marking the level. Then add gas and shake. Water and gasoline do not mix however ethanol is hygroscopic like brake fluid meaning it absorbs water. When you shake the mixture the water will strip the ethanol from the gas and mix with it. After shaking let it settle and note the water level vs the line.
Chevron in bc canada 94oct shows ethanol free, same with shell 91 v power ethanol free. Both are 0 ethanol. I use 94 in pre much whatever, bikes dont like ethanol either
wow that has got to be one of the most informative youtube comment's I've ever read. Any estimates on how long all the plastic bits in carbs last with 5% ethanol? I do make sure the carbs are dry and clean before storing but other than that I'm kind of just hoping they hold together
Ethanol only eats certain rubbers. I forget which ones, but most aftermarket rubber parts for all types of vehicles are ethanol safe. The real pain in the ass is that ethanol does not burn as well as gasoline. E10 fuel reduces mpg's by 5-10%.
@@conradbielicki774 ethanol will slowly eat away the aluminium of the carb. Watch Project Farm's video on ethanol gas
In many third-world countries I've driven through, I've often been recommended to buy "premium" gas even if my bike doesn't require it. Many of these countries also only have two levels of unleaded - no mid-grade. I figure this is for one or more of the following reasons:
1. The premium is simply made at a higher standard and in a third-world country you might worry that the lower grade (which is sold at the lowest possible price to serve the overwhelming majority of poor people) is made BELOW standards.
2. The premium might not have (as much?) ethanol.
3. It's just the grown-up version of the useless elementary-school myth that more octane makes you go faster.
Setting aside the option of simply riding slower the two biggest factors to fuel efficiency I've found are:
1. Aerodynamic drag of big hard saddle bags (on my Tiger 800 or my dad's R1200gs we're talking 45mpg with, versus versus 55mpg without).
2. Limit acceleration and braking. That doesn't mean riding slowly, but simply carrying more speed into and through turns, to avoid having to brake hard into them and having to accelerate hard out of them. Staying in a higher gear helps here as well (lower revs, less acceleration out of turns).
We may scoff at the idea of caring about fuel efficiency on a motorcycle, but who here hasn't found themselves a long way from a gas station, say 250 miles into a tank of gas, wondering if you're going to make it.
Ryan, This video has now become very relevant at today's petrol prices!!!🤬🤬
Cheers!
Excellent vid, I am a KLR owner and I didnt even mind your dig at our overall cheapness...to us its a badge of honour :), but seriously really enjoyed your well organised and structured content. Your delivery as always was excellent as well.
Yes, we are cheap b45tards. I ran a KLX250 with road tyres, great mpg. Didn't go off road so didn't need off road tyres.
Could it be? Original and extremely high quality content on youtube? WOW.
seriously, dude, you are amazing. These tips are soooo good and will help everyone that is new or already experienced in riding motorcycles. Subbed.
He Got Nil Idea bout Air Filters..go watch " Do Performance Air Filters Actually Work ? by ENGINEERING EXPLAINED..
I care about MPG, more for range than savings.
More range = more fun!!!
I'm looking at fuel bottles. An extra couple liters can get me out of a tight spot.
You want to lose major weight off your motorcycle? Switch to a lithium iron phosphate battery. I saved 10 full pounds compared to the OEM. 10 POUNDS! And it is a more powerful battery.
And it will lighten youre wallet even more!
@@JensEskildsen Also you will lose some weight because of less eating caused by your now lighter wallet! XDXDXDXD
@@JensEskildsen is the lithium battery move expensive than OEM? Yes it is. Does it last 2 or 3 times longer than OEM? Yes it does. Does a 10 pound lighter bike save you gas every ride? Yes it does. Is it worth the cost after all things are considered? That is up to you. For me it is totally worth it.
not good in colder climates though! they don't like low temperatures!
@@roythearcher really? They work fine for me in Canada and I ride all winter. I know guys who put them in their snowmobiles and they have no complaints. The cold has never been an issue IRL.
I love the editing in this, leaving the outtakes IN like literally nobody was actually going to watch it! Very funny!
I love how you play around with the format. This has to be one of my favorite along with the Twilight Zone one
If it counts Ryan, your channel is the only one I subbed to because of the intellect behind the content. All the others are just for the entertainment. You should work in advertisements. Pure pitching genius. Never seen anyone pitch their point in under 10 seconds like you do.
I like how he goes into intricate details in everything he covers.
I like how this was filmed with the producer chiming in here and making making it seem more off the top rather than scripted which I dont mind either its just something you dont see to much on RUclips videos. Two likes up.
Something that's worthy of all is the sprocket mod!
So simple yet makes a world of difference.
How long does that alu sprocket last compared to a steel one tho?
Yes that’s my concern, any personal experience switching to aluminum rear sprocket? How much last long compared with the steel one?
@@joby602
Aluminium lasts pretty much as long as the steel does but requires more frequent maintanence.
Having a slack chain would affect it during sudden acceleration, since it's not as brittle as the latter one.
@@ramiropupo8034
I haven't tried it myself, but the ones who have switched were rather positive about it.
Renthal (brand) Sprockets are super light in comparison to standard Steel sprockets. The make a pretty good claim about their longevity. I have Renthal on my Fireblade. Maybe check them out.
Boy do we need this video right now.
"We actually give a shit saving gas on a motorcycle"
Man i love motorcycles but i also live in Portugal and i pay $1.86 PER LITER. Off course i care about saving gas.
Great video again...
Or $1.98 if you use the expensive stuff... Roubalheira
Damn I'm paying $2.02 for the cheapest stuff here in Singapore!
Its that much for a gallon here in Texas
the octane 100 is 1.50 USD /liter at hungary
@@1996axon Gas prices in Hungary are just bonkers right now. They are higher than diesel sometimes ffs XD
I have been impressed by almost all of the content this channel but for those not in the know, K&N air filters are prone to letting dust through if you ride offroad or other dry, dirty, places. Clean streets and tracks are the only place for a K&N filter. Foam and paper are the best choices for everywhere else. They are also way easier to clean /replace.
As an Adventure riding, cheap bastard that owns a KLR, that comment at 1:40 had me rolling in my chair. so true.
I was riding back home to Vegas from Portland on a CB300R I just bought. When I saw a sign saying next gas 163 miles, my bike holds 2.6 gallons. I slowed to 55mph, filled up at the first station 2.4 gallons. I saw a air filter test and KandN filter let 12 times as much dirt by as paper does. My engine is more important than a little gas savings. I would recommend adding one tooth to your drive sprocket, better for your chain too!
Cheap bastards... KLR owners.
Really Ryan?! You better hope that I never run into you in Vancouver. Cause if I do... I'll have to stop and tell you how awesome the channel is and how I'm a huge fan.
God I love this channel it’s like the big bang theory started a motorcycle club!
I was able to hit 75 MPG (U.S.) in my brother's twin spark SV650S. Lots of tucking and *gasp* pulling in the clutch and coasting. It is pretty nice to see 200 miles go by without a fuel light ever coming on. I also had to tape off about 3/4 of the already pretty small radiator just to see 170F water temps(it was 45F outside, which was part of that). I'm hoping to get my own and mod the piss out of it specifically for fuel economy. I'm shooting for 100 MPG.
Although not hugely safe, riding behind a truck will shoot up your mpg. The good news is you can still get benefits leaving a safe gap.
Watching this vid two years later and it reminds me why I always like F9 videos before they hit mid-script. The dang details!
A sprocket change test for fuel efficiency and results in rpms, top speed etc would be interesting. For example 3 more teeth in the front.
This bloke. This bloke reminds me of my favourite mates at the bar discussing MC "necessities". *I applaud you*
Lubing the chain should give you better fuel economy, with more power getting to the rear wheel.
The friction is very noticeable on lower powered bikes.
If only there was an oil sealed chain guard so you could run the chain permanently in oil (similar to a timing chain).
This video suits 2022 perfectly now, doesn’t it Ryan😭
Rule of thumb seems to be for every 13°C/ 25°F drop in intake air temp, octane required drops by 1 full octane rating. Octane needed also drops as you climb higher in elevation.
Not a fuel economy thing as such but can save some coin over a year.
All of these tips are actually really useful for people who want to tour on smaller tank bikes.
I feel like this entire video is a reference to some tv show or a movie but i'm not understanding it
You and I both.
Another Millennial monster
@@rodrigocastro9323 Another annoying prick. c:
@@Yeldur Rodrigo's replying to the earlier guy named "Another Millennial" for his troll-y reply. Context before replying, please.
@@piayarider7542 LOL, wow I didn't even see that.. It's because he didn't actually reply to the bloke, to me it looked like he was calling me another millenial monster. Rodrigo! You have my apologies for my mistake :O
Sorry!!!!
3 out of 100 equals 30% def the smartest man on youtube. 3%(the actual amount) is totally worth driving around and searching for.
Best channel on RUclips!
Equalizer glad your a fan, but let’s be real here.
😂🤣😂 Just returned to riding after a couple of decades layoff and just bought myself a new Suzuki SV650. Aren’t coping with the fuel consumption. My old 2006 Holden Commodore Ute used to use about 50 litres every 400kms here in Australia and would cost me about $120 AUD to refuel while the new bike so far has got 280km out of just over 10 litres and last time cost me a staggering $20. Working it out in the old money that’s about 59 miles per imperial gallons where the Ute got around 24 miles per imperial gallon. Needless to say I’m watching this more for novelty. Anyway longtime viewer and its thanks to videos like yours that renewed my passion to get back to riding. Thanks again mate. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
your driving (or, riding in this case) will impact your fuel ecconomy the most, if your heavy on the pedal/throttle you use more, shift early and ride a bit slower, save fuel. Also engien break alot (but dont forget to light up the rear light)
I'm a cheap bastard and ride a Yamaha factor 150. I was born in Brazil, so every drop of gas counts! Ryan, even though most of your advices are not affordable for the major of bikers like me, who rides the simplest and popular (prices, taxes, availability), many tips are really worth putting into practice. Would love if you made a series in which you mention different bikes from the world (prices, applications, reliability). Thanks for the sharing
Summary:
Get more fuel for money:
Fill up in the morning / cold weather.
Raise the pump hose above the tank to empty the last of the gas out of it. You paid for it already.
General:
Use only octane ratings your bike is rated for. Don't go higher or lower.
Avoid high ethanol fuel.
Don't carry more weight than you need to.
Maintenance:
Check and fix your spark plugs / carbs / injectors / jets / valve clearance.
Check and clean or replace your air filter.
Keep your tires inflated properly. A few PSI over is OK. A lot over is dangerous.
Riding style:
Ride at slower speeds.
Avoid acceleration and deceleration where possible: accelerate slowly, stop slowly and early. Lane split to maintain speed. Use cruise control / throttle lock.
Engine brake rather than using the brakes or coasting in neutral.
Ride lower and closer to the bike.
Modifications:
Remap fuel delivery for better mileage.
Get low rolling resistance / stiffer tires. Will decrease grip.
Get a lighter sprocket.
Get a lighter chain. Will require more maintenance and attention.
Change sprockets to lower all RPMs. Less acceleration, maybe higher top speed.
Get and use a throttle lock if you don't have one.
Gear:
Use a tank bag and or tail bag rather than saddle bags / panniers.
Wear a full face helmet.
Best bang for buck:
Sprockets and chain.
Ride slow, maintain speed.
Keep your air filter clean.
0:05 Exactly what I was just about to comment when I heard your first sentence. ;) It's cheap enough and we're it for the ride regardless.
The only reason we have ethanol in our gas is because of corn lobbyists. The amount of emissions from growing the corn, refining the corn, and then burning it is greater than just burning pure gasoline. Plus it cuts in to our food supply, causing food to cost more. Ethanol only makes sense if it comes from sugar cane, like Brazil does.
Yes, sugar cane and sugar beat sourced ethanol makes some sense, although it's still really hard on the engines.
One of the annoying things I have to deal with is that the only option for ethanol free gas around here is Spirit and it's only available for the premium gas.
They are working on a GMO based sugar beet that produces insane amounts of sugar when harvest, requires far less water or fertilizers compared to corn. Grows in about half the time, and can be grown in places normally not ideal for crops. The GMO sugar beets are fast becoming the main source for Ethanol production. Soon Ethanol production will outpace other forms of alternative fuels... and hopefully one day soon will become the main source of fuel for the internal combustion engine. With GMO crops not needing the same sort of land to grow, we don't need to worry about taking away the land we need for properly grown food crops. PLUS since 100% Ethanol can run in current engines (with minor modifications), we can use it instead of petroleum based fuels. Humans will need our plastics and other polymers to continue to live. If we can reduce our requirements of fossil fuels, and save the crude oil for production, we can substantially extend our supply. After all if our current rate of consumption continues (which it is only ever increasing at exponential rates), we are going to burn through our available supply of crude oil in about 50 years (BP says 52 years, before we run out).
Brazilian here. Ethanol is not the solution, right now ethanol is more expensive than Gasoline (here) and is by far less efficient (what sucks when you have a tiny fuel tank, like in a bike). We too add ethanol to our gasoline for "green" purposes, and when I said green, i mean politic, but it's not as bad as Europe importing palm oil from Indonesia that is literally deforestating their lands in order to keep with the demand from greener fuel in the developed world.
Sugar cane is a crop that requires a lot of water to proper grow, right now we do have that water to dispose, but who knows what the future will be.
@@guilhermerichter7049 Guess you missed the part of GMO sugar beets. Which require far less water them corn to grow. Plus due to the way it has been engineered, it can grow in places other crops would not. The efficiency of 100% ethanol fuel is a fault of current engine tech, designed to run on Petroleum based fuels. This is easily solved with some minor "tweaks" to the ICE. Point is, the world as we sit now has about 50 years of crude oil left, we have no choice but to seek alternative fuels.
@@JJ_ExMachina Yeah m8. I just don't mentioned the GMO sugar beats because i don't know shit about it. But in my humble opinion, the future is electric...
This is definitely the first video that comments about the efficiency of ethanol! Wicked!
Ethanol is the only reason I buy 91. In Ontario I rarely see any 91 that has octane!
Man I love how much more comfortable Ryan has become😁
Selling an aluminum sprocket with smaller chain without mentioning once that the chain and sprockets life will probably be a third of what it use to be. Amazing seller skill.
P.S: if there is one filtrer that you should toss to the garbage bin, it is the K&N. They will let a lot of dirt go inside your engine.
@1:45 "cheap bastards, KLR owners" 😂😂
Man I wish I found your channel a lot earlier. I'm getting ready to buy my first bike in about a month or 2 and your videos are amazing. Your an inspiration man, keep up the great content!
That opener cracked me up!
I'm already an F9 customer. Your videos are just a bonus. love em. cheers
Cool I just learned something. Engine braking saves gas :)
On fuel-injected bikes, at least.
After watching at least 10+ videos on your channel, I can clearly say that you are one of the top 10 motovlogger in the world. Keep em coming!
Yup... buy a 225 HP bike, and then drive it like an old lady... to save fuel... lol
I have a neighbor that owns an old Honda 1000r and he rides it super low RPMs even on the road, I've traveled with him ( on my own bike, a 250cc) and he always run's it like that, except that time when we were on a race track. Damn the thing did a Hudson hornet scene when it started really going, its an amazing bike
Yeah, more fun to ride something slow fast
Good tips for anyone that wants to take their bike on a long trip where increasing the range of your full tank can mean the difference between arriving to your destination on schedule, and pushing your bike down the side of the road to the nearest gas station.
My gixxer 600 never goes past 5k rpm. I get 38 mpg
My Vrod Muscle does 37 miles per gallon if I drive it like an old lady lol .... super boring if u dont smack the throttle with lots of torque to make the tire screech :D
I'm glad I found this channel, Ryan has more advice and explains everything there is to know about motorcycles and riding. Including safety.
Just put a turbo on I don't see what the problem is :^). Good vid as always F9.
10/10 would buy a turbo busa for fuel efficiency
I probably get stoned to death now. However, the aluminum does wear off faster. The alternative is a aluminum disk with steeltips on the teeth. Helps you save weight and has a higher lifespan. Also, braking with the engine helps on a modern fuel injection engine. With carbs i recommend rolling in neutral. The carburettors pump gas manually and at lower rpm they pump less fuel. Also the chain gets less tension and lasts longer. These are my personal opinions and please dont kill me :) The channel is great. I have just discovered it and watch it all my free time. Greetings form Estonia!
3:28
Always a good thing to have an *AR* in the garage, those thing comes in handy when modding my motorcycle.😂
Shooting holes in the gas tank will increase the fuel efficiency bcs the bike will be lighter
lol. it's a Gas gun....
It's a BB gun, but yeah.
He uses it to test helmet windshields...
Did you have a bad day, man? You don't seem your usual chipper self. Which is cool, no need to launch full-chip every damn day.
I like the really neat conversational format used for this video. Keep the quality coming.
im already saving gas on a motorcycle by just not using my car..great video
Exactly! As Ryan said, "does anyone give a shit?"
He predicted the fuel prices will go up 3 years ago. What a wise guy
*shows EFI fuel tuner*
*Laughs in KLR*
Ahhhhhhhh nuts. ~RF9
Lol
@@blinnbh The KLR is dead
You can tune a carbed bike to run 87. My bikes from the 80s do it great.
@@toki002 FE350 mah boi.
Haven't even got my license yet and I already found my favourite motorcycle channel.
03:50 Come on Ryan. Tests had proven that a clean disposable air filter works as good as a top dog racing air filter. Performance air filters can only represent some marginal gain in a high HP bike, with tuned ECU.
@Dustin Nisbet-Jones I thought about the same :'D
I live and ride an 800gs in the desert, dry dust all the time. From all the sleuthing I've done and the local Motorrad mechanics I've talked to, compared to paper filters, K&N et al. lets a bit (too much) of that fine particulate matter flow through and is bad for the engine in the long run. That's how you get the power increase, bigger filter pore size, more air flow! But, if you live in Vancouver or someplace with less dust on the regular, you're probably good with a K&N.
Closed loop F.I bikes: (i.e. with lamda sensors) When you are riding for fuel economy, will not make much difference, cause the throttle valve is already blocking most of the air going in. A modern ECU will measure the mixture and adjust
Open loop F.I bikes with some sensors (no lamda sensors): IF they have a map sensor (measures atmospheric pressure inside and outside the airbox), will adjust the fuel mixture for less air drawn, although less accurately, so less incoming air is compensated
Carbed bikes: Less air will make the mixture richer BUT, fuel is drawn into the cylinder by the vacuum it produces, so less air going in will reduce the fuel sucked in, some carbs have tricks to compensate, some dont
scha0306 depending on if you're referring to isolated testing outside the engine area. Funny thing, during K&N testing they found the vibrations of the engine help trap particulates
@Dustin Nisbet-Jones Also important, and noted in the video is that he wasn't testing how well the filters removed debris from air, just how much power was made.
Oh my god , there are sooo much informations here, this is the first and only channel that serves an incredible original content , where do you get all of these informations, does it come from the water you drink , seriously you my friend are the hardest worker in motorcycling , great job,good luck and we hope you teach us more ........ peace✌
You say, "coasting kills."
Can you explain why? As a new rider I have never heard this wisdom.
Sure! Motorcycle suspension is most stable when loaded under acceleration or deceleration. Even when cruising at a constant speed, the force of the engine working against gravity or wind resistance is enough to make the motorcycle feel planted. But if you coast (i.e. clutch pulled in, or in neutral, "freewheeling") the bike becomes jittery and harder to control. Hope that helps! ~RF9
@@FortNine Thank you for the succinct answer! I can't believe I got a response from the man himself! I'm star struck! Love your channel and your content. I'm always looking forward to your next videos. Keep it up!
@@FortNine : It is also illegal in most jurisdictions.
And with two strokes, running under a closed throttle will foul the plug, and the upper cylinder isn't getting any lubrication.
@@FortNine Have to disagree with the recommendation for K&Ns etc. These always test higher levels of Silica (that's sand) in oil than STD filters. A STD filter still flows more than enough air when at maximum recommended mileage (or clogging). I'd never put one on a motor that I care about, although I do have one on my race bike - low overall mileage and the minor performance gain is worthwhile in this context. Other than that another very good contribution to knowledge and safety.
I uncorked my CRF300L Rally. CBR300R cams, CBR300R velocity stack, second snorkel hole in airbox, vented airbox door, Stage 1.5 91 Oct. 550 Performance tune, and get between 76mpg-53mpg.
The biggest factor is my right hand and speed. If I baby it mileage goes way up. If I wring its neck or drive at highway speeds it drops like a rock.
1:42.....Hey, I'm a KLR owner and i resemble that remark!!!!!
Before, I'd not even bat an eye near a video on motorcycles. Being a new owner, now I'm magnetized
Now the question is: How much did all this cost compared to how much gas you save? How far would you have to go for these "upgrades" to pay of?
Power commander with wide band o2, 520 chain and aluminum sprocket, lighter after market exhaust, and a bunch of other little things, you know typical upgrades... I saved roughly 30lbs of weight on the bike, and improved (in ECO mode) 10 MPG over stock... SO if I only ever rode in ECO mode, I would recoup my money in roughly 20k miles, or about 2 years, with the miles I ride. BUT since the mods also allow for an improved level of performance over stock, I do NOT ride in "ECO" mode unless I need the range. The original MPG was about 35, with the new maps and "upgraded" parts I can get very close to 50 MPG. SO instead of getting 160 miles out of a tank, I can get closer to 225 miles. For longer rides it is godsend having the ability to improve the millage so drastically, while still being able to have the extra power and performance if I so choose. All by pushing a button and switching maps. The down side of the "ECO" mode, is a huge lose in power, and very "boring" engine performance. Of course, by hitting that same button I can get "full power" mode, with about 140 HP on tap... It's can be very exciting... Of course that comes at a sacrifice of getting much lower fuel millage...
@@JJ_ExMachina Cool. Thanks for the info 👍. It should have been added in the video, as "economy" was part of the title. 🙂
@@Roy_Godiksen Fair enough, and easy to misinterpret. Fuel economy refers to the economy of fuel though, meaning distance traveled vs volume of fuel.
Most people only really care about this in terms of money saved, since volume of fuel is seen as $/gal, not necessarily gal/tank. So it's understandable that talk of fuel economy is mostly seen as a consideration of total monetary cost of gas, and thus of mileage, not the fuel "cost" of mileage.
There are also people who care about fuel usage outside of it's monetary cost, and might not worry too much if they only break even, or even lose a little.
@@theclinger It should say: "Fuel Efficiency", in sted of "Fuel Economy". That would be clearer. 🙂👍
@@Roy_Godiksen Oh yeah, would definitely help to disambiguate.
No new for old men, gearing, petrol mixes, compresion old tech, but good to learn out to the young. Well done.
That exhaust backpressure part though... Should we ask Engineering Explained for approval?
For a Backpressure vs Exhaust Scavenging analogy?
Makes sense on a carburated 2 stroke but on a four-stroke that's tuned properly there shouldn't be any unburnt fuel left in the cylinder
Backpressure is BS. Scavenging is key.
@@garmack12 Exactly. 4 strokes require an exhaust that has as little back pressure as possible.
Brilliant script, performance and editing. Most informative and funny channel on bikes I've ever come across. Hooked!
Interesting...
Now I'm going to disregard all of this and rev my bike hard enough while stationary to produce flames out of the unrestricted pipe...
Some studies have shown that OEM air filters filter better, and after market air filters perform better but do allow larger particle through. The RUclips channel Project Farm explains this very well.
I give a shit, Im poor and live in the UK one of the most expensive countries for fuel... You over the other side of the pond have it really easy...
the UK is 10th on the fuelprice list, my country, the netherlands, is on number one www.worldatlas.com/articles/european-countries-with-the-most-expensive-fuel.html
@@GolfVictorHotel Congratulations on the win...I think?
Yeah? In LTU we pay now 1.25 eur per liter, but our salary monthly is what you earn per week, stop complaining!
dznnf7 it’s a great honour to have won that competition.
@@GolfVictorHotel - today we were paying 1.22Eu/L for fuel, last week it was 1.35Eu/L in NZ (for 91)
I lost it at the interview scene. It’s so friggin nonsense and silly in this context to film it like that. The subtle levity and content in this channel is just top notch
Very interesting Video. Is there anyone in India who can help me find the Aluminium Sprocket like the one shown in this Video. I am looking one for a Royal Enfield Himalayan in Western Part of India, Gujarat. Fortnine I love your film making style as well. the split screens and multi character parodies are fun to watch. keep up the marvellous work.
Wattup Gujju friend! XDXDXD
The fact that you followed up the intro-sentence with "If you actually give a shit about saving gas on a motorcycle, right", is the sole reason i kept watching, and watched the whole video haha.
IM EATING LEFTOVERS
That's good for you :)
Dude, I'm eating a half eaten pack of doritos I found on the table - I need this shit man.
Leftovers are eating me
I eat leftovers every day, literally. My kids are 4 and 8.
So weirdly and wonderfully presented and edited. Delightful.
This video's viewership these days 📈📈📈
Iike you've had this video edited in a way that seems like you were being cost effective too! Very meta. Like with black screens between shots, outtakes being included, some bad vo moments. Clever dude!
Don’t use TPMS systems. They can fail and bleed all the air out of your tire while you’re riding down the freeway. Chances are your mechanic has heard of this, and my broken shoulder can back it up, too.
I find that daily bike checks can discover under-inflated tyres better than new-fangled electronic tyre-deflating devices can.
Have to say I enjoyed this. Tongue in cheek humour , but there was genuine tips in there.
Hi, is it necessary to do wheel balancing after installing an external TPMS? i am worried that the additional unsprung weight might cause wheel wobble, I ride a light weight sport tourer...Thanks!
BlAzEAnGeL85 this is a very good point
i was thinking the same
On2Wheels According to TireGard, no. These ones are only a few grams each, so not enough to make a significant unbalance. Beware of internal TPMS systems though - you have to remove the tire to install, which is a pain, and many of them are heavy enough to require rebalancing.
You're right I didn't come here to learn how to save fuel on a bike. I just enjoy watching you present things. I think exhaust gas velocity is the key more so than back pressure. exhaust pipes are a specific diameter, especially at the end in order to achieve a certain exhaust gas velocity to help scavenging. It's about balancing the good (exhaust gas velocity) with the bad (back pressure). People generally refer to bikes with low end power as being torquey. Restricting the exhaust increases gas velocity which increases scavenging at lower rpm. That can be useful if you don't use the upper rev limit (trying to save fuel for example).
I switched from 500cc to a Honda CB125F and I don't give A ... about fuel anymore
True. I went from 125 to 500 and now I feel stupid.
Good stuff. I just drove from Phoenix to Hamilton MT, and didn't think about the distances between gas stations, until I saw "Next service 40 miles". Some towns are even seasonal, that's summer seasonal. So if you're riding cross country, it does make sense to care about saving fuel on a motorcycle. It could save you a 20 mile (that's 32 km) walk with a can of gas.
to use less fuel just mix it with water. works great for my bike
I've had numerous bikes and I track my fuel economy because it's a great indication of engine health (see Ryan's comment about air filters) and I've always done the octane experiment on everyone of them and I have NEVER SEEN IMPROVE FUEL EFFICIENCY when using a higher octane fuel.....
'82 Honda CB400, '81 Zuki GS500, '78 Zuki GS1000, '84 Kai GPZ 1000, 2007 Zuki DL 1000, and '15 BMW GS 1200R
Back pressure is only necessary (and useful) in a 2 stroke engine, where the combustion stroke is shorter and the fuel (being less atomized) burns slower. On a 4 stroke engine it's unnecessary and will cost you power and efficiency.
The myth that 4 stroke engines need back pressure comes from people who put huge 3" exhausts on their vehicles and lose power. This happens because of the venturi effect, gasses flow slower in a wider pipe and faster in a narrower one (until restricted by back pressure), that faster flow in a correctly sized pipe helps draw out the exhaust gasses.
Knightmare I disconnected the exhaust after the last catalytic converter on my v6 accord for a day. It lost a shitload of power down low. Didn’t change the pipe size or anything, but those 3 mufflers which were bypassed DO help.
On my 4 cylinder CBR250, I changed out the original muffler for a long glasspack. Again, didn’t change pipe diameters before the muffler, and I did rejet it richer, but it lost low end power and fuel economy.
Backpressure does help if done correctly, so stop parroting engineering explained with his “stop saying engines need backpressure” video. Is your engine going to blow up without backpressure? No, but it will affect how it runs.
@@Daschickenify ruclips.net/video/jjPeP_Nn2B4/видео.html
Exactly and wrapping/ceramic coating, will promote this, by the principle of energy conservation of the flow, do to preventing wasting it, into dissipated heat.
Back pressure on a 4t is like saying that 2 valves works better than 4.
Engine efficiency is like not "how much water flows, at a given mass, it's how far away the jet is landing". Back pressure is like adding a screen in front of it.
Two valves engines have better torque on the lower rpm range, so longer gearing is more suitable.
That's what I'm after myself, longer gearing, for lower rpm coasting.
I'm not interested in faster acceleration, my bike has only 11hp...
When he says "read: doubtful" I've always wondered if read was pronounced read or read. I'm glad I finally know
I thought he just put Diesel in his tank for a minute.
Then I remembered: Canada.
Diesel powered motorcycle getting 100+ mpg
Nice video. But man, the production value, writing and style have improved so much over the last 15 months. Big fan. Well done, Ryan.