BOSS RC-10R vs BEATBUDDY -- Comparison Review
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- Опубликовано: 4 янв 2020
- I've been using the Beat Buddy for several years and have really loved it. I was excited to see Boss release the RC-10R which is a copy of the BeatBuddy which includes a built in looper. In this video I compare the two products to see if the RC-10R is a worthy replacement for the Beat Buddy.
Everybody has different needs. Not just the drum machine sounds. I sold the Beatbuddy. Grabbed the RC10r. I run a bass guitar pre recorded on one side for the verse and chorus. Play my guitar and sing along with it right along with the drums. Been out working with it at my regular gig places for over a year now. Not a problem at all. software for midi work with the rc10 is way better than the buggy software for the Beatbuddy. And you don't need a high dollar external foot switch to work with it either. Lot's of choices.
I just picked up the RC10R and while it is rather robotic with it's default patterns I was excited to find that there's a converter software that allows you to make your own patterns. I have been diving the manual and the midi for this unit. Tap tempo are not available in stomp button format it can be added via midi to any external device or linked to another device that has midi clock. You can also assign out those footswitch buttons from the menu. To me this works better if you have some midi knowledge and can tap into the features you want like assigning things via cc to whatever. I plan to add a few cc for pattern transition and stop. They also have a Tone Studio app that allows you to download backing tracks just like the beat buddy. I have been looking at all the loopers and there's not one that has the dynamics of the beat buddy or the functionality to allow you to upload your own wav sounds for the drums. If someone would come up with a combo unit that allows you to control midi for all features, have sound dynamics for the velocity, an app that allows you to make patterns, share and download backing tracks, and function as a looper... well that would be the ultimate looper in my opinion. The RC500 did not improve on the features of the RC10r.
How do you amplify the RC-10R and the Beatbuddy when you play with.
Can the RC-10 change kits like the Beatbuddy
I have the beat buddy.
I want to record beats to something I can advance. Like songs 1-20 of a set list. What do you suggest?
Great video! Thank you.
Great video, thanks for the perspective 👍
Why isn‘t there any drum pedal with a button matrix, so I can quickly dial in own beats? I hate to look for the beats in my head in a genre folder.
It’s awesome hearing a rant about how Roland doesn’t know how to make a drum machine - especially when the primary criticism is that a good drum machine should have a collection of samples which it plays at random. Thank you! 😂
In the middle of this video, you say that people make songs for the Beat Buddy; where do you find these?
Thanks for the review.
Beat buddy has no waltzes is that correct?
Thanks for the Video dude! Totally feel you!
Was this before a patch or firmware release for the boss? I was just watching other videos about it and people could disable the intro/outros and enable a sync mode so the looper starts synced with the rhythm
This "expert" (lol) is comparing apples to oranges to start, then has absolutely no clue on its features... There is a sync mode on the RC-10R, among other things... but he chose to douche out with this video...
Yeah why he made this video without learning how to use it first, we will never know lol.@@scotts4419
Solomon...the manual sucks, i do agree...but most of what you say it can not do (such as tap tempo, killing intro/outro...and so on)... indeed can be done....but again...the details are NOT in the manual . I agree the sound quality and variety of the Beat Buddy is superior.
The beat buddy is the best option for Latin music , not other pedals can use for it like this one
Do any of these pedals allow for custom beat and sound building? That would allow for some actual creative stuff, especially with a looper pedal.
You can make your own beats with the BeatBuddys software, and it works really well with my Aeros looper!
@@solomonweiss7944 And you add your own sounds? Or is it just the midi?
It's not a fair review but seriously fun to watch.
The best looper i own is the Logitech jaman xt . That was after buying 3 different boss loopers.jamman is well worth the learning curve. They don't make them anymore and they sell used for twice what they sold for new.
In the first example, if I am the understanding you correctly, the “weird sound” you referred is actually a standard brush swish pattern.
Absolutely love this F’n pedal
has the Boss had any updates that could have improved any of its shortfalls? maybe a follow up video?
No updates yet :-( they never do any updates for their products
If this guy does do a follow-up video, it would probably be a good idea for him to issue some corrections for this one since it is full of outright inaccuracies that paint the RC-10 a lot differently than it actually is. Perhaps it would help if this guy were to actually learn the most basic, most obvious functions of the pedal because pretty much every complaint he has about it isn't actually a issue at all. Seriously. It has pretty straightforward settings for turning the intro and outro sounds on and off, altering the sound of the drums, and even syncing the loop and rhythm section with almost no effort. What's more. the manual pretty clearly lays out how to use and configure a external footswitch to act as a tap tempo or many other functions as you desire.
I would not trust this video at all. It isn't that he dislikes the pedal, it is that he clearly doesn't understand even its most basic functions.
I own RC-10R it is OK practice machine but honestly not much beyond that. I would not go trying to perform with it - it is just basically a metronome+. Btw - extra footswitch for 10R is 70 bucks - and yes you can make it work but it is NOT a trivial task at all. My impression is that the product was rushed to market before it was ready.
Dude great video
You did not do your homework. Download the parameter guide. Syncing loop/drum is explained as well as footswitch assignment. But you do not need the guide for that. Hit MENU, flip through and you could have figured it out. HOWEVER, the drum sounds suck.
You might be right. RC10R isn't very intuitive, was a pain to try to figure out. I do agree the drums sound horrible
@@solomonweiss7944 It is intuitive when you actually bother to read the manual like you said you did.
Hey can you sync the beat buddy and the rc 10r
I'm not sure... but if you want a great looper, there are better options. For the least expensive that can sync with the BeatBuddy, I would go with the TC Electronic X4. If you want the best looper though, nothing beats the Aeros Loop Studio - syncs with the BB perfectly.
@@solomonweiss7944 Thank you! You answered my question from my head :)
RC-10R lets you switch between 2 different drum/loop parts so you can record 2 song parts with 2 different drum parts. Does Beatbuddy let you switch parts? I'm considering Beat buddy instead of the RC10R but would like to be able to switch parts mid song. Thanks for the review.
Yes, you can switch between two drum parts with the BeatBuddy. It sends out MIDI commands if you want to sync it with a looper. I've been using the Singular Sound Aeros looper. A bit expensive, but hands down the best looper out there.
Great review. Have you tried changing between BB PARTS when connected via MIDI to a non-Singular Sound looper (RC-5 or Ditto X4)? At the moment I have a BB connected to my RC-5 via MIDI. The BB is the MIDI master. Let's say I have a BB song with 2 parts. I'd like to switch between the BB Parts and at the same time move from loop 1 to loop 2 on the non-SS looper. Can I do that from the BB via its MIDI out ? Or do I need to buy an additional MIDI control pedal? Or should I use the looper as the master?@@solomonweiss7944
You were clearly more impressed with the Beat Buddy than I was. I’ve never used the Boss RC10R but I did buy a Beat Buddy about five years ago when it first came out.
Yes the sounds were good, but there were two patterns on each page, and they didn’t really sound that much different to each other, verse and chorus sounded the same to me.
I also didn’t like that if I switched the pattern the tempo would jump back to a ‘default’ (90 bpm if memory serves) so I had to mess with the tempo knob or start 'tap dancing' for each new song.
That also meant if the song wasn’t in that ‘default’ tempo I could only use one beat because if I changed page in the middle of a song, it would jump back to the default tempo at 90 bpm, which was a PITA.
Perhaps I had it set up wrong or something, I never got to find out.
The Beat Buddy literature said I could use ‘any 9v power supply’ (they even mentioned Digitec among others) but then one day I plugged in the supply from my Digitec RP255 and the BB went ‘bang’.
As it turned out the Digitec pedal was AC and the BB runs DC… Most products these days have ‘safety cut-outs’ for protection in just such a case, sadly the Beat Buddy didn’t.
In fairness I contacted BB, they had me send it back and they repaired it, but when I got it back it only worked for a week or so, then it went ‘white screen’, and it hasn’t worked since.
I contacted them again but they told me they had already repaired it once, they weren’t going to do it again. I didn’t see a white screen as being the same problem as an incorrect power supply, but they were adamant it was now my problem and not theirs.
So nowadays I have a piece of useless junk with a Beat Buddy logo on it and I use a Digitec S-DRUM to bang out the beats I need.
I’m happy not to be scrolling through menus and genres, I don’t get unwanted tempo changes, I play whatever beat I feel like playing and the S-DRUM simply does as it’s told.
The snare might not be the best thing I’ve ever heard but when I link it to my Pigtronix Infinity it’s brilliant for making up the beats I want for live looping.
Plus the S-DRUM is great when a guest jumps up on stage with me for a song, coz I can let them start with a rhythm while I ‘scratch along’ on my strings for a bar or two.
Then I stomp on the S-DRUM like a looper, and ‘the drummer’ is in sync with us.
I was never able to do THAT on a Beat Buddy
Woaow …. I’ve had exactly the same problem and experience as you !
The S-Drum is magic !!!
And also, i prefer the sound quality of the Sdrum than the ones of the BB
I got mine on Dec 2023 for 160 Euros, 1/2 the price of the BB !!!
I had that white screen too on the BB and they replaced it in a weeks time.
But i prefer going with the Ddrum ….
Of course the beat buddy is going to have better drums people. Some of us are wanting to have a looper and drums on one unit and for me the video illustrates the pros and cons. I have a beat buddy and finding a looper to work with it is a pain. I'm ditching it along with the midi maestro which you would think would have some sort of functionality to use with loopers, nope!
seriously dude, its a looper with drums. yes the drums are not good. but why are you using it contrary to its design? perspective, man. you’re just trolling.
I didn't expect the drums to be good... but I would at least expect the drums and looper to sync, and it doesn't. Makes the whole thing completely useless
@@solomonweiss7944 You're just biased, and acting like a clown. It really matches your iphone.... grow up kid.
Drums will sink. Read your manual
@@solomonweiss7944 Yes it does sync. You just don't know how to use it. You have to push and hold the drum switch until it flashes blue. Then the drums will sync.
Looks like the author of this video didn't read any manuals! 😄And, can have tap tempo via the footswitch and much more. useless review!
beatbuddy is what I would call a dominant drum pedal above the rest i create all my own drum patterns to cover songs
& originals & its nothing but amazing
so you can create custom drum patters and not have to use only built in?
absolutely the songs that i prefer to do at gigs aren't available on the beatbuddy by default so i have to create them from scratch using the beatbuddy manager & also use the additional software called beatbuilder
@@maoriachillies3764I skimmed one video where someone was programming and it looked like a huge PITA. Was the learning curve very steep? It seemed like programming it was meant for highly technical people who love digging in to programming complexity. Maybe I’m wrong, but appreciate your opinion since you seem to have programmed a lot.
There's no doubt that beat buddy has a better engine and more samples, maybe you can even say higher quality samples. However, it also has reverb that you can't take out. Which is absolutely ridiculous. You'd have to buy a premium library for an extra $300 just to get sounds that are drier.
My solution was to start making my own kit, but of course that process is painstaking and crazily time-consuming. However, I did it, and it was interesting. But in the end, being a person who wants their looper and their drum machine to synchronize correctly, and not feeling like buying an aeros, I went with the rc10. You can make your own beats, although I'm sure that's not easy either, and I would probably make them simpler as to not trigger multiple samples in a row like that. My needs are not that crazy as a guitarist who just want something to vibe with like a groove and be able to loop along with it. The beat buddy was way too much difficulty to synchronize and I sold it for a little bit more and I bought it for which was great. So I can tell you from experience at the resale value is awesome for the beat buddy!
Also, I would say that beat buddy is more meant for a one-man band situation. But, since we're giving opinions here, I typically think the one man band thing sounds pretty cheesy. I'm sure you could do it well, but when I realized that's what I was becoming by potentially spending all this time with the beat buddy and if I were to use it to its full extent, that was another thing that kind of turned me off.
Also, I feel like saying that you could put 300 million songs on the SD card it's just not that interesting because obviously an SD card you can get at a huge size and MIDI files are like 1 to 5 KB so obviously you could fit that many in there.
I don't know, I think it's very entertaining, but at the same time it's not really the best review in that it does compare the sounds and you're 100% correct about the sounds. But also have we talked about how weird the switches for the beat buddy? LOL
Also there's a conflation of sounds versus songs here, there's no way you can fit 300 million sounds on the beat buddy. You can fit 300 million songs but not sounds. Sounds on the beat buddy are 32-bit wave files and not only other drum kits weirdly limited, that's another thing, for some reason the drum kits on the beat buddy only allow for like five velocity layers, whereas on any modern-day sampler since 2010, you have at least 127 levels. The beat buddy could have done it but they didn't.
I agree 100% with this. I had big hopes for this pedal. I took it back and swapped it for an RC5. The 5 is a great looper- much better than the 3 imo, but the rhythm tracks are still lacking. They sound unnatural and I got bored of them very quickly. And there’s less functionality than with the 10R. Like, you can’t send the rhythm to one output and the loop to the other. (One function that I really liked about the 10R)
Tengo el boss rc10r, pero quizas compraria tabien el beatbuddy, me suenan mejor las baterias
I have a Boss Rc 30 and a Beat Buddy on my board at and I was curious if that RC 10r is good enough to replace both of them. You saved me a lot of time and energy. Thank you so much for posting this. This was just what I needed to see at this moment.
my channel is full of Toontrack products: check it out for more demos !
Do you sync the rc30 with the Beatbuddy? Is it ok to use both in live situation?
@@erikvonbehr rc30 doesnt have midi. I sold beatbuddy a long time ago. Now I use garage band for drums on live.
@@youngche8032 garage band needs a pc on stage right? I rather go with a pedal. :)
Totally agree. The beatbuddy should come with a looper, then it would be the perfect buddy.
The grooves on the Beat buddy are crazy, they are based in Miami, so the Latin stuff is off the charts amazing!
Thanks re introducing me to the Beat Buddy!
Thanks for watching!
An Alexis SR16 from 1990 can do everything the Beat Buddy does and much more. Beat Buddy is a drum machine that looks like a pedal. Multi sample drum samples have been a thing since the 80s. MXR made a beat pedal in the early 80s. The Boss product is literally bringing features that have never existed in a looper before. You can create your own beats for the Boss and leave the outro blank.
oh you poor winy kid ...
Thanks for a great review man
BOSS needs to hire the Beat Buddy Engineers to make a foot pedal drum machine , that actually sounds and outshines the Beat Buddy !!!!💁♂️
Wow the Beat Buddy does sound fantastic, I actually have a Beat Buddy and I have not really utilized it and need to.
You're reminding me of all the reasons I got one. The feel really sounds real, I bought to do solo gigs as singer guitarist.
I am a huge Boss fan as well but the RC-10R sounds like, well not good.
I also have the NUX Loop Core Deluxe and it comes with a drum machine/patterns, I did not get it for the drums.
The Boss drum machine sounds like my NUX's drums, not great! Boss really dropped the ball on this one,
especially for 300.00 bucks. Thanks for posting!
My pleasure :-)
Thank you, you absolutely helped me with this vlog.
Thanks for watching!
Not sure why there are people hating on this video, I find it very informative. I think a better comparison would be the DigiTech Trio+ and the Boss RC-10R
Because this is an unfair comparison. Boss is primarily a feature set looper not a specific drum machine. Pretty dumb video really. If you want to get down to it, the Boss can do a ton things the buddy can’t.
I am "hating on this video" because its entire premise is built on outright technical inaccuracies. The guy who made this video clearly either didn't read or didn't understand the basic, very clearly written instructions because a lot of his gripes would have been solved had he understood the basic functions of the pedal. The tap tempo (via a extra footswitch) is clearly explained. The ability to easily and quickly turn off the intros/outros is clearly explained. The ways one can actually change the drum kit sounds is clearly explained. Heck, the pedal is pretty much built around the ability to hold down the rhythm button until it turns blue to indicate that it is now synced with the looper. It is a incredibly easy pedal to work with but this guy either intentionally or ignorantly completely ignores most of its functionality for some bizarre reason.
This review isn't a issue because he doesn't like the pedal. It is a issue because it is outright misleading in just about every way possible.
Great video and thanks so much for doing it. You may want to lay off the reverb and put a little compression next time. Sounds like you're in a train tunnel.
Thanks for watching!
I just bought an RC10R after deciding to see for myself. This review is actually spot-on. That "not being able to turn off outros" is a HUGE pain! The pedal is not very intuitive and the drums sound like shiz. Everyone is saying "it's your guitar amp making the drums sound bad". But, my Fender G-Dec has no problem producing great drum sounds from its own built-in looper. I'm returning it for another try at this. I've only been playing for 49 years, so maybe I just don 't have enough experience yet.
Absolutely !!! I bought the RC10R a year ago. The thing is fine if you want to spend most of your time screwing with it! I have about 30 loops recorded, and I don't care what anyone says, it ain't easy. Now 1 year in, and the damn thing keeps wigging out, sound starts coming out like a synth. Have to turn it off and back on to get it back, only to have it do it again within an hour. I backed it up first thing, and I have restored it to factory, and it still wiggs out. Piece of crap. Buy the Beat Buddy! Now I am having to look at sending it in for warrantee service. $300.00 piece of crap. Ordering a Beat Buddy today. Anyone want a Boss for half price?
too bad the beat buddy doesn't loop
Synchronizing it's always the hardest thing to do with these machines. We need the drums and Rhythm guitar to be synchronized. So That you can play excellent. lead parts.
you plugged the BB footswitch into the wrong device, but I fully agree that the RC10-R is pretty crap. It's much better to have a BB with Singular Sound's Aeros Looper pedal.
Also the Boss . . . starts every Drum Pattern with a crash cymbal? Who's bright-idea was that? I own their Dr. 880 and love it. I'm able to do "One man shows" with just a Drum Machine. I love Boss, but they Missed Badly with the RC-10R.
180bpm on the beat buddy and 93 on the RC10
I just own an Alesis SR-16 Drum machine and a Digitech JamMan Stereo looper . . and together I´ve been able to cover beautiful music . . . can cover almost anything, Rock, Pop, Latin, you name it. . the Alesis comes with many popular styles of music and if I come across something that is not adaptable to apre-made rhythm I can make it myself . . to me it´s not so hard as making a rhythm in a fully programmable machine like the BeatBuddy . . or maybe I´m just old school. . . yeah, the Boss RC10R looks pretty disappointing.
Thank you for this. You helped make my mind up. Beat Buddy sounds amazing.
Andertons can show you how to use it and you are biased
Love this guy's attitude. Great video Solomon.
Eu prefiro o Beatbuddy. Só precisa de um looper à altura pra poder usar junto e sincronizar. Beatbuddy is much better !!
Oi amigo, estou pensando em comprar um pra mim, me parece ter muito mais ajustes finos de bateria que o RC 10, que também é um pedal incrivel
@@gigantebrasil6576 O Beatbuddy tem mais recursos. É muito mais avançado. Tem mais transições, viradas, início, fim, etc. Só é um pouco complicado pra programar no início. Mas a quantidade de ritmos que vem nele cobre bastante o repertório de quem toca na noite. E o som é espetacular .
Será que com o Midi Sinc não dá pra usar a função loop com os rítmos do beatbuddy?
@@andrebracher6033 com certeza dá pra usar. Por se tratar de midi, a conexão será completa. É só zerar o volume da bateria Boss RC10R. O BOSS RC10R pode até passar o sinal de audio através do Beatbuddy, já que só precisaria gravar o som do instrumento no Boss RC10R. Só teria que resolver quem seria o Mestre/Escravo na questão da sincronia de tempo via midi.
Na verdade, acho que quem pisou na bola mesmo foi a singular sound. Já que o produto carro-chefe deles é o beatbuddy, deveriam ter feito sua evolução como um "beatlooper", ao invés disso, fizeram o aerolooper que é caro pra cacete e ocupa muito espaço no chão. Não acredito em muitas vendas desse produto, não é prático pra quem é da noite. Espero que com o rc10 a Singular Sound se ligue e projete algum produto para competir. A ideia de ter os dois num aparelho é boa, o que melhoraria ainda mais a grande sacada do Beatbuddy.
Sold on the beat buddy!
I have a sneaking suspicion that this was the whole idea...
Beatbuddy pedals may be different from Boss pedals
Beat buddy. One dimensional. I guess I could mic it and run it thru the RC 500
I was on the market for a Drum/looper pedal and came across this review. Can I plug my guitar into the the BeatBuddy and does it loop?
...........oh....its only does drums. So why the f*** are you even comparing them? I am totally not interested in the BB......I am after a drum/looper.
In any case, I had a BB and returned it for an SDRUM. Why? Because it was a pain to wade through its millions of drum patterns....and to find the one that would fit my riff would take me a lifetime, and even then, would be a compromise. With the SDRUM, I can create my own pattern.....in seconds.
Of course, you are entitled to your opinion......I just dont share it.
Beat buddy is the best by far. Just take a week to learn software and you get lots of advantages. Is basically like if you’re working with your daw in a single pedal custom sounds and ritms
Guy just doesn't know how to use the Boss pedal 😂
Exactly. Need to work with it before you put it out there.
@@frontcentermusician You need to fix the firmware before you "put it out there", Apparently there has been a raft of bug fixes put out by Boss since this video was made that addresses some of the issues raised.
I just picked up the BEATBUDDY and The Footswitch. Fisrt time trying it and I love it. It's great for my mini office / mini studio practice
Bro this is a looper not a drumer...
And it doesn't do either function well.
El BeatBuddy no tiene rival.
32bit stereo loop , beatbaddy beat pedal!!!!!
Boss is the best.
Wow! Just Wow!
Man, thank you so much for your God damn honest review! I have just canceled my order on Boss RC10r. I had some doubts inside due to absence of hard rock/metal looping examples on RC10r and now it all becomes clear and straitforward: RC10r generally sucks. Thanks again, man! God bless you!
Also, the Boss has an annoying crash symbol on the first beat of every single loop. All 300 different beats feature a crash symbol on beat one. ruclips.net/video/jmiqPs1PfB0/видео.html
So true!! It's horrible
You were born in 1997
Buy a drum machine program ur own beats bring it to the loop play n loop lol😂😂😂😔
I have the same feelings for the product and products that I owned previously. Golden days were 20 years ago. Boss falls behind a lot than other products. Price is the only thing that they have.
Veeeery boring presentation 😱😱😱
yes i was thinking, but not now, drums sound to clumsy like midi crap compressed and messy
Yeah, I was pretty disappointed with the Boss RC-10R too. Nothing I've tried even comes close to Beatbuddy!
Glad you like it!! BeatBuddy is my baby :-)
I agree!
@@DavidPackouz woooow
@@DavidPackouz LOVE the BeatBuddy!!!! Thanks for the comment :-)
Just cancelled my order...
haha! Is that trrue?
Obviously what is done is done but I strongly encourage you to not take videos like this at face value. The guy who made this video pretty obviously didn't even learn the basic functions of the pedal and as such, the video was full of outright inaccuracies. I am not even talking about little nitpicky stuff, it is just outright wrong on a technical level many times.
As I said before, what is done is done but in the future, it might be a good idea to be very, very skeptical of user reviews, especially when they are full of hyperbole and not much else.
Michael Holmes True! I’m getting fed up of reviews on RUclips because nearly everyone is paid to promote the product.
@@RitchieRosson Just as bad are the reviewers who do the whole angry "I am just telling it like it is!" or "I am telling you things the corporations don't want you to hear!" types who do reviews.
do you mean i can just buy a pedal that mimics my drunk drummer?
that would have made things a lot easier...
Ha ha aha aha aha Love this
huh, Boss needs to step it up, that is the same drum sound as the br-600, which has to be over ten years old.
BeatBuddy for me.
There are Digitech TRiO+ band creator looper, aeros looper that are better than BOSS RC10R, I mean come on it really looks kind of nice but not that kind of quality, heck even iPhone app "loopy" that can hook up some nice beat.
Just like all boss pedals.. noisy as hell.
I love how you read the manual more than once. I can never even read a manual once. Or even open the manual.
Thanks for an honest review.
Boss has lost me on pedals
Noooo! You should go slow talking about things you really don’t know about.
Talks a lot!😡
Thank God I watched this video, beat buddy 1 - 0 Boss
I feel BeatBuddy has a better percussion sound than RC 10 R
The Boss RC-10R is total junk. It's a total BeatBuddy knockoff without any of the BeatBuddy sound quality
So true!!