They are pretty close, for sure. Not a fan of using ring modulators, but it will be interesting to see if Warm Audio does more of the Moogerfooger clones.
Ring modulation works better in synths and particularly when you can use an input signal for the modulator rather than an onboard LFO at a fixed frequency. This is because ring modulation simply sounds best, when the frequency of the modulator is a multiple of the frequency of the input signal. This will almost never be the case if the modulator is an LFO with a fixed frequency. On some synths you can use one oscillator as the modulator of the other and you can also hard sync the oscillators to one another. Because of this you can get some very useful results with ring modulation on a synth, you can create entirely new interesting waveforms asides from the basic sine, triangle, square and sawtooth.
I just got one of the WArb, great pedal. I found the moog mf102 user manual online and it helps explain the controls and use case for the bringer along with example settings. Yes there is a 9volt battery installed, which I promptly took out. This pedal is a keeper, heaps of tones to explore. It's is mostly smd topology components but all analogue. Also have the warm bender and centavo, really enjoying these classic recreations. Thanks for this comparison video.
I've always enjoyed playing with a ring modulator. It's not something that can be used a whole lot, but in the right context there's nothing else like it. Thanks a lot for doing this comparison. No way would I pay the prices people are selling the Moog for. Looks like there's a Warm Audio Ringerbringer in my future. Thanks again!!! Great to hear how similar the 2 pedals are.
@@PedalExperiments It helped a lot. I was about to spend $200Cdn on a Frequency Analyzer by EHX (discontinued but a local shop has 1 NOS). For an extra $100 the Ringerbringer is more versatile, esp with the extra foot controller possibilities. Cheers from Montreal.
The one thing I wish you would have done at the end was run the CV in/outs into each other to see how they interacted. Have had a WA since it came out (along with the WA Jet Phaser and Centaur) and...they're all inspirational toys.
I'm planning on exploring that side of things in a seperate demo that I'm doing for the Moog. This video was purely intended to compare the basic sounds to see how accurate the Warm Audio one really is. 👍🏼
@@PedalExperiments Yay, I figured the intent of the video (and for most folks, well, it answers the "does it it Moog" question VERY well). was that, just a constructive comment!
Love a good ring mod. This oedal is on of the better ones. From what I understand building the basic passive version of a ring mod, you have a signal to be processed input and an oscillator input, for some applications one of them needs to be driven. Hence the drive circuit. I think it's a cool feature. The Warm Audio is lacking a crucial element, the hoofing great footprint, so it wins everytime.
Ring modulators are not difficult to explain, some basic knowledge is required. You have two waves: the carrier (guitar in this) and the modulator. Speed (frequency) of the modulator can be controlled, and when it goes below audio rate we hear it as a tremelo effect. You can also call ring mods 4 quadrant multipliers, so we output the carrier times the modulator wave for all 4 quadrants (positive and negative). Compare this to a VCA (voltage controlled amplifier, common in synthesisers or compressors), where you have a signal (let's say guitar) and a voltage that multiplies that signal. VCAs are 2 quadrant multipliers, so you only multiply the incoming signal (to amplify it) by the positive portion of the voltage.
Ring Modulation is a strange choice for a clone. The MF-102 was Moog's worst selling MoogerFooger by far and can be had for $300-400, while many of the other MF's are in the thousands.. It can sound interesting but rarely musical for actual recorded content. For the record, I really liked your tone before you turned on the pedals. I'd love to know that compressed midrange signal path. Has an AM radio vibe!
Hi, thanks for watching! Yeah, ring mod is probably the hardest effect to use in a musical context, but definitely not impossible! You just have to take the time to play with settings and tune the effect to what you're playing. 👍🏼 As for my clean tone, I think the "compressed" sound you're referring to is coming from my Strat's Texas Special pickups. They're very "quacky"! 😁👍🏼
No one has the sales figures for the Moogerfoogers, but I have to disagree. The MF-102 is one you see most often on the used markets. The MF-102’s were the cheapest of the Moogerfooger lineup when they were sold new so that’s partly why they aren’t that expensive nowadays. Lots of the insane prices with Moogerfoogers has to do with the relative complexity of the circuits and the features brought. The other MF’s sold less though, they were priced more expensive to begin with and less often sold in 3-package deals like the 101/102/103 were.
I haven't filmed it yet, as I'm waiting to get the Red Panda Radius. But yeah, the Phreak is a great pedal in its own right. Being digital, it does have a slightly different range of sounds and extra features/functions. Plus, the extra DSP effects that are built in! 👍🏼
ive got an EHX ring thing but im thinking of selling it for a ringerbringer, i just feel like i like the lfo of the mf (and ringerbringer) more than the one on the ring thing
I bought a Ring Thing recently (the second one I've owned!), and it's a superb pedal. The Ringerbringer is a very different animal, though. I'm planning on filming a ring mod shoot-out at some point, once I get the new Red Panda Radius...
The whole comparison is done with the pedals in series? Hmmm. Also no one has pointed out the best thing about the "RingerBringer" . . . it runs off a 9v battery.
It was a surprise when I got mine, but one I wish they'd noted - I wonder how many of these will be dead in a few years because of battery leakage with the included dirt cheapie that isn't expected to be there.
@@PedalExperiments a comparison between the ringerbringer and the red panda radius would be great. The Pitched tracking on the radius semés to be awesome
@yaguitar Haha! Time to work out a new setlist...or get some new bandmates! 😜 I genuinely think a ring mod version of Crossroads would be really interesting, thinking about it...
Early in the video you switched the Moog to the sine wave, but left the WA on square--and you left it that way for most of the video, so not really a 1-to-1 comparison for most of this. That said, the Warm Audio sounds great.
If you'll notice, I had the 'LFO Amount' knobs both turned down to 0 during the middle section of the video, while I was focusing on the 'Modulator' section on the right side of the pedal. I kept all the relevant settings as identical as possible, all throughout the video. Thanks for watching! 👍🏼
Did you realise after making this video that you need to adjust your playing to the ring modulator and vice versa? Tuning and so on. Similar to demoing the boss OC2 lets say. You cant just throw chords on it.
Did you realise that it's a recorded loop that is playing throughout the whole video? Very hard to change key during a loop. 😄 Anyway, my goal here wasn't to make them sound as musical as possible. I'm just comparing how they sound at similar settings, to see how close Warm Audio got to the original. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the useful comparison. Always interesting with Warm audio clones. They often seems to get close enough.
You're welcome! Glad you enjoyed it. I hope you'll consider sticking around and subscribing? 🙂
They are pretty close, for sure. Not a fan of using ring modulators, but it will be interesting to see if Warm Audio does more of the Moogerfooger clones.
Same. I'm really waiting for a MF-101 clone.
Please clone my clusterflux so I can sell it! Need the board size. Best flange/chorus
Ring modulation works better in synths and particularly when you can use an input signal for the modulator rather than an onboard LFO at a fixed frequency. This is because ring modulation simply sounds best, when the frequency of the modulator is a multiple of the frequency of the input signal. This will almost never be the case if the modulator is an LFO with a fixed frequency. On some synths you can use one oscillator as the modulator of the other and you can also hard sync the oscillators to one another. Because of this you can get some very useful results with ring modulation on a synth, you can create entirely new interesting waveforms asides from the basic sine, triangle, square and sawtooth.
Thank you for doing this!
My pleasure! Thanks for watching. 🙏🏼
I just got one of the WArb, great pedal. I found the moog mf102 user manual online and it helps explain the controls and use case for the bringer along with example settings. Yes there is a 9volt battery installed, which I promptly took out. This pedal is a keeper, heaps of tones to explore. It's is mostly smd topology components but all analogue. Also
have the warm bender and centavo, really enjoying these classic recreations. Thanks for this comparison video.
Awesome! I'm glad you liked my video and found it useful. 👍🏼
Excellent comparison!
Thank you! 😊
I've always enjoyed playing with a ring modulator. It's not something that can be used a whole lot, but in the right context there's nothing else like it. Thanks a lot for doing this comparison. No way would I pay the prices people are selling the Moog for. Looks like there's a Warm Audio Ringerbringer in my future. Thanks again!!! Great to hear how similar the 2 pedals are.
Thanks for watching! Glad I was able to help. 👍🏼
@@PedalExperiments
It helped a lot. I was about to spend $200Cdn on a Frequency Analyzer by EHX (discontinued but a local shop has 1 NOS). For an extra $100 the Ringerbringer is more versatile, esp with the extra foot controller possibilities. Cheers from Montreal.
Ring mod can get whacky but the subtle sounds are pretty useful and interesting.
Spot on, to my ears!
The one thing I wish you would have done at the end was run the CV in/outs into each other to see how they interacted.
Have had a WA since it came out (along with the WA Jet Phaser and Centaur) and...they're all inspirational toys.
I'm planning on exploring that side of things in a seperate demo that I'm doing for the Moog.
This video was purely intended to compare the basic sounds to see how accurate the Warm Audio one really is. 👍🏼
@@PedalExperiments Yay, I figured the intent of the video (and for most folks, well, it answers the "does it it Moog" question VERY well). was that, just a constructive comment!
Sounds perfect
Love a good ring mod. This oedal is on of the better ones. From what I understand building the basic passive version of a ring mod, you have a signal to be processed input and an oscillator input, for some applications one of them needs to be driven. Hence the drive circuit. I think it's a cool feature. The Warm Audio is lacking a crucial element, the hoofing great footprint, so it wins everytime.
😂😂😂 Yeah, sometimes you just want your massive tone to come from an equally massive box.
what's the most famous uses of ring mod? I'll nominate the old school Primus South Park theme. Also less overtly in the Paranoid guitar solo
Ring modulators are not difficult to explain, some basic knowledge is required. You have two waves: the carrier (guitar in this) and the modulator. Speed (frequency) of the modulator can be controlled, and when it goes below audio rate we hear it as a tremelo effect. You can also call ring mods 4 quadrant multipliers, so we output the carrier times the modulator wave for all 4 quadrants (positive and negative).
Compare this to a VCA (voltage controlled amplifier, common in synthesisers or compressors), where you have a signal (let's say guitar) and a voltage that multiplies that signal. VCAs are 2 quadrant multipliers, so you only multiply the incoming signal (to amplify it) by the positive portion of the voltage.
Ring Modulation is a strange choice for a clone. The MF-102 was Moog's worst selling MoogerFooger by far and can be had for $300-400, while many of the other MF's are in the thousands.. It can sound interesting but rarely musical for actual recorded content. For the record, I really liked your tone before you turned on the pedals. I'd love to know that compressed midrange signal path. Has an AM radio vibe!
Hi, thanks for watching!
Yeah, ring mod is probably the hardest effect to use in a musical context, but definitely not impossible! You just have to take the time to play with settings and tune the effect to what you're playing. 👍🏼
As for my clean tone, I think the "compressed" sound you're referring to is coming from my Strat's Texas Special pickups. They're very "quacky"! 😁👍🏼
No one has the sales figures for the Moogerfoogers, but I have to disagree. The MF-102 is one you see most often on the used markets. The MF-102’s were the cheapest of the Moogerfooger lineup when they were sold new so that’s partly why they aren’t that expensive nowadays. Lots of the insane prices with Moogerfoogers has to do with the relative complexity of the circuits and the features brought. The other MF’s sold less though, they were priced more expensive to begin with and less often sold in 3-package deals like the 101/102/103 were.
You did a ring mod shoot out recently... how do you think Phreak compares? Probably wildly different because of the digital nature of phreak.
I haven't filmed it yet, as I'm waiting to get the Red Panda Radius. But yeah, the Phreak is a great pedal in its own right.
Being digital, it does have a slightly different range of sounds and extra features/functions. Plus, the extra DSP effects that are built in! 👍🏼
@@PedalExperiments rad, I was wondering if I had use for the Phreak (which I own) and the ring bringer :;)
I still haven't discovered a musical use for a ring mod but when I do, I'll be sure to... watch this video again
ive got an EHX ring thing but im thinking of selling it for a ringerbringer, i just feel like i like the lfo of the mf (and ringerbringer) more than the one on the ring thing
I bought a Ring Thing recently (the second one I've owned!), and it's a superb pedal. The Ringerbringer is a very different animal, though.
I'm planning on filming a ring mod shoot-out at some point, once I get the new Red Panda Radius...
The whole comparison is done with the pedals in series? Hmmm.
Also no one has pointed out the best thing about the "RingerBringer" . . . it runs off a 9v battery.
Good point about the battery! I forgot to mention that! 👍🏼
It was a surprise when I got mine, but one I wish they'd noted - I wonder how many of these will be dead in a few years because of battery leakage with the included dirt cheapie that isn't expected to be there.
Red Panda Radius is the KingMod...
I'm hoping to find out for myself in the coming weeks...
@@PedalExperiments Excellent..🤘
@@PedalExperiments a comparison between the ringerbringer and the red panda radius would be great. The Pitched tracking on the radius semés to be awesome
@@guillocros2885 Oh, it's coming! Don't you worry! 😎👍🏼
Such an odd effect. I would love to understand when I could use one on stage 😂
Where there's a will, there's a way... 😜
@@PedalExperiments I can see the look on my band mates face has I crack out the ring modulator in the middle of cross roads
@yaguitar Haha! Time to work out a new setlist...or get some new bandmates! 😜
I genuinely think a ring mod version of Crossroads would be really interesting, thinking about it...
Early in the video you switched the Moog to the sine wave, but left the WA on square--and you left it that way for most of the video, so not really a 1-to-1 comparison for most of this. That said, the Warm Audio sounds great.
If you'll notice, I had the 'LFO Amount' knobs both turned down to 0 during the middle section of the video, while I was focusing on the 'Modulator' section on the right side of the pedal.
I kept all the relevant settings as identical as possible, all throughout the video.
Thanks for watching! 👍🏼
Did you realise after making this video that you need to adjust your playing to the ring modulator and vice versa? Tuning and so on. Similar to demoing the boss OC2 lets say. You cant just throw chords on it.
Did you realise that it's a recorded loop that is playing throughout the whole video? Very hard to change key during a loop. 😄
Anyway, my goal here wasn't to make them sound as musical as possible. I'm just comparing how they sound at similar settings, to see how close Warm Audio got to the original.
Thanks for watching!
did you realise after typing this comment that its a demo